Are Men Beating Women At The Olympics? - The Truth (comprehensive dissection)

[@awesomedude824]

Time to find out my opinion on this issue

[@itmightgetdark]

stop looking to other men to tell you how to think... Yes, I know this comment is tongue and cheek, but still...

[@PboiStrider]

@@itmightgetdark Ah yes don't look at professionals with much more knowledge on a subject than you will ever have. Just make up your own opinion out of thin air.

[@HalfAryanHunterGatherer]

@@itmightgetdarkdont make rushed conclusions if you dont know enough to come to a good/calculated conclusion. Derek knows his shit and its reasonable to just go with wtv he says on this subject

[@Shavefishy]

@@itmightgetdarkcalm down😂

[@tr13ky13]

@@itmightgetdark true leaders know the extent of their abilities and delegate to others.

[@iiam2214]

When there's a controversy in the sports world involving testosterone. Derek is in his sauna basement with a lab coat doing research. Lol

[@2FuNnY4uDude]

he desperately needs a lab coat with cut off sleeves

[@floatingdisembodiedhead8975]

​@@2FuNnY4uDudeand sunglasses in place of goggles lol

[@patrickwontor2061]

Hallelujah

[@newbie2k477]

this is dick controversy

[@Horsemanray]

Normal people don't consider it a controversy. They are aware of the fact that a women competing in a woman's event in the olympics won a medal without scouring the internet evidence of a crotch bulge in photos of her.

[@B0RN2RACE100]

When the world needed him most, Derek fired up the sauna

[@MetrucTon]

i didn't watch 10 minutes of olympics but i'm definitely watching all of this

[@YeTism]

I only watched Djokovic

[@heresthethingyouguys]

Olympics are soy

[@Icosamaxi]

Not even the Australian break dancer? 🦘

[@glockdookie5231]

Youre so cool

[@VikingFireProject]

Same! Except I haven't watched it at all.

[@Texastrue43]

In the darkest of times, our hero shows us the light

[@alex24mamba]

Nah. Cuz I'm still waiting on the le Bron James balco video....👀

[@roberthorry621]

im edging to his delts no joemoe

[@bigburton24]

“Through Christ all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In Christ was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@alex24mamba]

@@bigburton24 k. So christ made dinosaurs before he was alive?

[@bogadu]

@@alex24mamba Don't bother... These religious nuts won't see reason to save their lives.

[@monalisa-bs4zs]

Tldr is Derrek is disappointed at the lack of oversight and testing cut offs but also at what happens as a result of that, most likely innocent and unknowing athletes being seriously scrutinized, hated even, through no fault of their own.

[@Daniel-qc7be]

based and nuance pilled

[@2460-1]

UMM AKSHUALLLLY IT IS TLDW

[@user-kz9rz8ui1c]

Very boring conclusion, albeit the correct conclusion is such a thing exists.

[@Comeback22hi]

strawman "most likely innocent and unknowing athletes being seriously scrutinized, hated even, through no fault of their own."

[@rainyleefa1984]

As if these men don't know they are men. Please...

[@location-cognizantmissile9743]

52:20 for Derek’s conclusion

[@heresthethingyouguys]

Not all heroes wear capes

[@DoesNotInhale]

if only this video was 5 minutes you'd know Derek isn't trying to dance around eggshells as a weird libshit trying to play devils advocate in the most lukewarm takes imaginable. such a loser

[@bradfordlangston836]

Or watch the video and learn a little bit

[@danielkantor5693]

@@bradfordlangston836 He keeps yapping 💀

[@xiqy1959]

How about I watch the video and actually learn about the logic and underlying facts of the matter?

[@user-ii7xc1ry3x]

59min? That's not even 1h. But fine, I'll take this as a first introductory video regarding the subject

[@damon4465]

It's longer than an hour if you keep rewinding because your eyes glaze over from all the info.

[@meshakbearclaws3762]

@@damon4465 that is very much true 😂

[@greybuckleton]

I think given what the IOC has said, they don't actually drug test all the athletes, though they do test many. They made some rather unusual comments about testosterone, they said "Its effect on performance is not clear". Which was a pretty hot take for a substance that is banned in basically all sports for decades for being an ergogenic aid.

[@andremattsson]

The effect on performance when we're talking about natural testosterone is not clear. Injecting testosterone is a completely different thing.

[@bva0]

@@andremattsson This conclusion was based on a couple of articles comparing only male athletes or only female athletes. The performance effect of natural testosterone is obvious when comparing male and female athletes. Or rather, it should be obvious... The point is, testing of intersex people is important when evaluating whether they're eligible to compete in the female division.

[@greybuckleton]

@@andremattsson there isn't really a difference in terms of the ergogenic effects. They actually test your testosterone to epeitestosterone levels to see if athletes in the "normal range" are taking exogenous testosterone. As athletes get an advantage just from normal to high normal testosterone. The performance advantage of natural testosterone is pretty apparent. You can also look at males with androgen deficiency and see all the performance reduction that is giving them. Natural testosterone helps plenty, it's why men have a higher red blood cell count than women for instance. At a molecular level, there isn't a difference between injected or oral testosterone and natural.

[@andremattsson]

@@bva0 Yeah obviously comparing women to men there is big differences. But men with testosterone on the lower end compared to men with high testosterone doesn't mean much. Men with lower testosterone can build more muscle than men with high testosterone, testosterone isn't everything when it comes to strength and muscle mass.

[@bva0]

​@@andremattsson Indeed, but that isn't the point, as per my last comment. I mean, we're talking about the issue with the Algerian boxer, right? Intersex people competing against biological non-intersex women. That's where the IOC's statement "Its [testosterone's] effect on performance is not clear" isn't applicable. On a side note, I think they should change "male division" to "open". Then everyone, e.g. trans, intersex, whatever, who are (officially) not on roids could compete (though biological males would obviously have an advantage).

[@nukedpancakes3_863]

Love seeing a new 1 hr mpmd vid in my feed. Feels like the old days.

[@armanrasouli2779]

indeed

[@mattepton5731]

Meme when ? 🤔 Oh I member now ! 🍇🥹

[@Kordon87]

Every 60 seconds, a minute passes in Africa.

[@kyle-7107]

I hear it rains down in africa

[@alexdiaz3311]

We have to band together to stop this 😱

[@iamatlantis1]

Damn, that's heavy bro.

[@jeremydyar7566]

Not necessarily true

[@Gigahertzzz]

Deep

[@GymNationOfficial]

The best video so far about this Topic, the only men that doing his research, But... It breaks my heart to think about the Algerian boxer's situation. As Derek said, She was born that way and has lived her entire life as a woman, Why all the hate against her? She hasn't done anything wrong and hasn't even spoken to the media. Why judge her for circumstances beyond her control?. It’s so sad that she’s being blamed for something completely beyond her control.

[@claudius_drusus_]

It doesn't matter. Imane (he) shouldn't be competing.

[@claudius_drusus_]

@Eidelmania whatever it is, Imane, isn't one. Thanks for playing.

[@Nawras672]

@@claudius_drusus_ actually, it does matter. She is a female biologically speaking. She has a vagina. that's all that matters.

[@Istaygroovy]

She​@@claudius_drusus_

[@vulekv93]

It doesn't matter if it isn't her fault. She is not female. Case closed, no need for mental gymnastics.

[@5daysastranger]

This still doesn't change the fact that there are 49 million kangaroos in Australia and 3.5 million people in Uruguay, which means that if kangaroos invaded Uruguay, each person would have to fight 14 kangaroos.

[@blaydecarosone3448]

This is the stuff they won’t talk about cuz they’re scared to look racist

[@DavidHowe-nv1nb]

I literally never thought of that. I'm not really sure if anyone else has, for that matter.

[@kimw.5369]

😂

[@guilhermefaleiros4892]

You fail to consider kangaroos outside australia

[@warrioratthewall1969]

​@@guilhermefaleiros4892dont deflect.

[@bhriscannan2080]

Float like a butterfly, sting like a He

[@jonstott1]

Criminally underrated comment

[@carlinlentz6849]

Hee hee

[@sabbacca2289]

Pack it up gents (and ladies???) We are done here

[@jacobstevens7046]

💀

[@maxcharacterlimitreache-]

the whole controversy was worth this comment

[@kyleschultz5565]

It's amazing how you break down this entire situation just like any other topic. No politics just hard research and facts. Cheers to you for taking on such a contentious topic.

[@landdesigner4195]

We need to preserve this, YT probably will take it down.

[@donovan4222]

Derek’s opinion that women who are too masculine shouldn’t be able to compete in pro sports is inherently political

[@samme79]

@@donovan4222 Yeah you didn't watch the video. Keep commenting and being angry. Dummy

[@radvibes]

​@@donovan4222He didn't say that

[@donovan4222]

@@radvibes he literally admitted at the end that a woman born as a woman with natural testosterone or anti androgen levels above a certain cutoff should be disqualified.

[@amimi92]

Something about the way Derek uses the word 'elucidate' just scratches that really nice part of my brain

[@_..-.._..-.._]

You have a really nice part of your brain? Prove it 🧠

[@Spudcore]

Derek's words are sweet and delicious but never meretricious.

[@Taykorjg]

Michael phelps is another one where he produces like half as much lactic acid

[@nightryder21]

A lot of female athletes stop their period, amenorrhea, due to the large stresses being put on their body.

[@radvibes]

Or they just take something to stop it while training

[@fargotua13]

@@radvibes Early stages of pregnancy can do wonder to sport achievement, some of them do not end up with children's birth tho...

[@JeyesFluid]

@@fargotua13 early stages of pregnancy from start to end require a Huge amount of energy for egg formation, if you have ever been with a pregnant woman even in the first weeks you would see there is no advantage infact the opposite it requires over 50k calories. Nice conspiracy though deeply flawed.

[@fargotua13]

@@JeyesFluid Ok, I don't know for sure, but heard that some girls were getting pregnant, to elevate some hormones or sth, and after competing or just training, go to terminate. If U say it's conspiracy... Welp, it might be, not gonna die on that hill.

[@MtuckerGoBlue]

Thank you for information that has nothing to do with this.

[@tombrand236]

Great to have an actual expert talking about this rather than the average internet warrior and their strong feelings

[@clanholmes]

The issue of genetic advantage will always exist. Example - there is an arm wrestler from Ukraine that has a genetic defect in his forearm that makes him almost unbeatable in his weight and before his accident, he was almost unbeatable in any class.

[@silverjeyjey4054]

Name?

[@clanholmes]

@@silverjeyjey4054 Oleg Zhokh kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2LMdK1moMqofLM

[@mikeawesome2733]

That dude in Minnesota with giant hands and Popeye arms too

[@MozFromOz]

But the dudes forearm genetic defect in no way should exclude him from the sport. With female sports, whether or not someone is female, is (or bloody well should be) the most fundamental determining factor for eligibility. These two things just aren’t the same.

[@mikeawesome2733]

@@MozFromOz but shouldn't it? It's Clearly a huge genetic advantage that no one else has. Just like a woman being born intersex is still a woman but may have internal testees that give them a genetic advantage

[@kratosufc]

The King returns

[@usdm420]

It's crazy that BOXING of all sports has no real eligibility thresholds beyond a passport....wild

[@chrimony]

So progressive!

[@janieraltreche1989]

It does tho .they banned the athletes.IOC allowed them to compete in the Olympics not the boxing association.

[@donovan4222]

@@usdm420 Why? Doesn’t seem that crazy since no one can define what the eligibility should be

[@henkolsonpietersen2242]

@@donovan4222let’s start with XX chromosomes? Or normal androgen levels? Have you ever seen males and females compete in a physical context? What is the point of having two categories if biological men are allowed to compete against women?

[@donovan4222]

@@henkolsonpietersen2242 What is a “biological man”? Women can be born with xy chromosomes or xxy chromosomes. So right away that excludes every woman with Swyer syndrome or mixed chromosomes from competing in sports. That excludes any women with natural androgen sensitivity that you deem unfair. How is that any different from excluding men from competing who have biological advantages like naturally higher androgen sensitivity?

[@shaunmadden545]

Nearly an hour of nuance yet everyone around the world made up there mind on 20 second clips and a click bait title. This entire subject is massively complex and we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[@donovan4222]

Kinda proves the theory that gender is simple and binary completely wrong doesn’t it?

[@yourewrongabouteverything]

If he has xy he's a dude

[@yourewrongabouteverything]

​@@donovan4222no not at all

[@jack-o-trades304]

@@donovan4222 Gender is a social construct you mean Sex which is simple and binary. Just because some people are born with 6 fingers and no thumbs doesn't make it a normal occurrence. We are talking about a 0.01% chance for a genetic mutation to cause this.

[@VolumousSyrup]

​@@yourewrongabouteverythingso I guess you just didn't watch the video or were too thick to understand the subject matter

[@jonhammshog]

holy shit, long time no sauna.

[@famousace4652]

Haven’t seen Derek in so long this videos making me feel nostalgic!

[@2FuNnY4uDude]

its 1am and what i needed most in the world was Derek going on an 1 hour explanation spree. i don't even care if it's about DHT derivatives, esters of hormones or whatever. it's all ASMR to me at this point

[@qui1766]

That’s so real

[@silverjeyjey4054]

Lol I'm watching this at 1am too

[@blast1blind]

im so happy youre making videos again man the world needs this insight

[@kadenohare4753]

There should be no testosterone cutoff. No one gets mad about Michael Phelps having a ridiculously long wing span, some people just have natural advantages.

[@tarnw3301]

Yes, the female category is for women. It doesn't matter how mediocre a man is, or how low his testosterone levels are, he shouldn't be allowed to participate.

[@simmorg290]

Right men just have a natural advantage over women so lets not bother with male and female categories.

[@tarnw3301]

@@simmorg290 we shouldn't bother with weight categories either. Or style-based categories. Butterfly category? 400m? Featherweight? Let's get rid of all categories.

[@CrazyAndMadz]

The difference between male and female levels of testosterone is huge and it affects puberty. A woman could never have the levels male do and question in these cases is are these men who were wrongfully assigned female gender at birth because of DSD. If that is the case they should be ineligible to fight in a strictly female sport. Also how can we know that somebody isn't of steroids if there are no cutoffs? There are cutoffs in the male category as well.

[@simmorg290]

@@tarnw3301 I want a category just for me so I can win everything.

[@CountingCnotes]

Just the man I wanted to hear from

[@Murmurrr]

what, you can't think for yourself?

[@todhold2673]

Just the what???

[@sheex410]

I give props to the editor(s)! To their credit, the many editorial cuts are only noticeable visually and not obvious if only listening to the audio. 😁

[@Simco_]

I think there's a program that deletes breaths and pauses.

[@GreatGreebo]

Thank you for this well done explanation that’s been broken down into concise, easily understandable language. Well done sir, Cheers!

[@sidalisaidi3313]

we can't also ignore the fact that the IBA only did the testing after the ' undefeated ' russian champion lost to imane and they refused to show the results nor share the methods for the testing , while ignoring many questions in the press conference and claiming the test is confidential idk how a medical test can be confidential

[@hiruiz1165]

Hippa guidelines it would be confidential you cant realease a patients medical records without their authorization

[@gsp4prez]

@@hiruiz1165it’s HIPAA, and that’s an American law. It has no bearing on this.

[@yanni-duff]

you don't know how a medical test can be confidential? Are you serious? ALL medical tests are confidential. They can mention that the athletes did not pass the tests but they cannot for any reason publish anything without the patients consent.

[@sidalisaidi3313]

@@yanni-duff well they did claim she has XY chromosomes, publishing the test won't be much different than that

[@Lightitupp1]

>from algeria I think you're probably too biased to have an unbiased take on this. The IOC and people seem to be way more concerned about the reasons WHY the test was done vs what is actually important, what the results of the test actually are. It's fairly simple, but the IOC seems not interested which tells you all you really need to know, do a test on ALL females to test for XX and XY.

[@chzpuffs1835]

Good timing! Just sat on the toilet now I got Derek to keep me company for an hour 🤗

[@Vipox92]

Those are rookie numbers

[@pbrown0829]

2x speed bro. You can shit now in 30 minutes. Your welcome

[@chzpuffs1835]

​@@pbrown0829And lose 30 minutes of hearing Derek say words of which ~30%~ I don't understand? No thanks!

[@LordRykard9376]

Bro get some pre and pro-biotics. Get that gut healthy.

[@chzpuffs1835]

​@@LordRykard9376If it was a 2 minute video it would be a 2 minute shit lol

[@hockysa]

most balanced and unbiased presentation to date with just facts.

[@templarknight7]

weird thing is they were tested in 2022 but only disqualified in 2023 even though the same test was supposedly done in both years.

[@nos4me]

Totally seems legit

[@kelainefes]

It's because the IBA wanted to be 100% sure there was no mistake in the tests before banning 2 athletes forever. It was the first time that this happened for them and they redacted their eligibility rules to basically exclude intersex individuals from competing in any division because of these tests.

[@templarknight7]

@@kelainefes so they waited a year to retest and then ban them while letting them compete in competitions in the meantime? that doesn't make any sense.

[@robertoimmaso]

@@templarknight7 Also they let them reach both finals and semi finals, to that not take a decision until few hours before the final bout and it was not a regulated studied decision but one made by a single person from their administration. Simply because there is the history that chromosomal tests are not conclusive, and T level testing was not ethical because there is not threshold for women boxing, nobody was getting tested except for the few athletes they selected (then declined this recently). The question is, was this to be an athlete from a different origin, say russia; would they treat them the same ?

[@JoanKSX]

And I think I couldn't find where the Dr. Ioannis Filippatos being licensed and practice. It seems he is no longer practising his medical specialist at Athens, Greece...

[@Eris_Mourn]

Honestly i think the situation is extremely complex but i think the solution at the end of the day should be simple. The olympics are a place where genetic marvels will always appear, rise to the top and succeed. If we test every female and ban anyone with intersex conditions, higher testosterone, pcos, literally ANY hormonal levels even slightly above a certain cut off, we have to determine that cut off. We're artificially saying 'you cant compete if youre nore than this strong', ans then we have to do the actual work of testing, which can be alot of different things for each person. I think you go by visual sexual anatomy. If that means a bunch of women with higher test rise to the top, so be it. Just like every sport. Swimming will always favor people with wing span like phelps, or gymnasts like biles. Are we going to start excluding people like that just because they also have an 'unfair advantage'? I accept the nuance of intersex conditions, lets just roll with it. You got a dick, one cstegory. Got a snatch, the other. No need to waste time and money doing more than that. No one complains about women with higher testosterone in fucking shotput or weightlifting

[@Nightceasar]

That is wrong. Because it's not only about testosterone. Men are just built different. Bone structure, muscle fiber, brain synapses, reflexes. It's like how a schimpanze is built different to us humans and even though it weighs less than us humans, it is stronger, faster and more deadly.

[@Nightceasar]

@Eidelmania It has everything to do with Khelif, because she has XY chromosomes.

[@Eris_Mourn]

​@@Nightceasar 1) I didn't mention testosterone being the only factor. 2) XY chromosomes does not mean they are comparable to a fully matured man with no disorders. Women with XY chromosomes may be closer than their counterparts, but Men with XXY are also further away than a non-disordered man. There are differences in humans, and thats ok. I don't see a issue with a world-class competition about athletics giving the win to a couple more women with intersex conditions than we knew about before armchair scientists got involved. I'm pretty sure some XY'd up females have won in the past and we just didn't know and didn't give a shit. 3) This is more of a joke, but more deadly? Bro I'm pretty sure a nuke is disintegrating a chimp. There's a reason they in cages and we ain't.

[@kiramei5856]

​@@Nightceasarher body doesnt read her xy chromossomes thats why she grew as a girl, she only produces more testosterone because of a gonadas mal function if i remember right, but that obviously can be treated with hormones, like... XX women with high testosterone....

[@nickf.8203]

@Eidelmaniadid you watch the video?

[@kimioapps3536]

I wonder how many people who have taken sides have listened to something like this. Nowadays very few are willing to nuances. Thank you to the likes of Derek who can look at a situation like this objectively.

[@Introverted100]

More Men More Wins

[@mrnonpoints7271]

Lmao

[@tiborbarna8248]

More tren more men

[@skywalker3760]

😂😂😂

[@johnnyroberts5994]

Haha .. you win man !

[@OtherlingQueen]

are the men in the room with us right now?

[@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065]

I don't understand why people are blaming the athletes tho, if you have a problem with the inclusion criteria maybe criticize the IOC and not the athletes, harassing the athletes is really going for the low hanging fruit, it's simply not their fault even if they benefited from it

[@fromthesouthofafrica6815]

The athletes are at fault though because they knew about their advantages in advance.

[@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065]

@@fromthesouthofafrica6815 so what if they have an advantage? It's a competition, the purpose is to get an advantange and win, the rules of the game are set by the IOC not the athletes, as long as they follow the rules any advantage is permissible, such a braindead take

[@Protonpack]

​@@fromthesouthofafrica6815no, you just don't like someone that you perceive to be trans. You can be honest here.

[@fromthesouthofafrica6815]

@@Protonpack Imane is not trans. Never said they were. I see him as a lying man who regardless of how he was raised to be a women knew the biological advantages he had over women in the boxing Olympics category he competed in.

[@frankcastle_1984]

​@fromthesouthofafrica6815 Well then Bradley Wiggins and Michael Phelps are cheaters too, no?

[@RunYourLuck]

They ought to just say XX or XY competitive categories. Take the whole identity argument out of it and leave it to unarguable science.

[@ryanduggan6738]

Except science doesn’t agree with that lol, what about XXY, XXXY, XYYY, XO, XO/XX mosaicism, XY/XXY mosacism, XXY/XXXY/XXXXY mosaicism? Sex is not a binary. Having a dichotomy like this in sports would exclude about 2% of the population. Furthermore, many studies have shown that after HRT the benefits of male puberty are COMPLETELY GONE.

[@c6q3a24]

@@ryanduggan6738 You're right - freaks exist. We're not going to force normal women to fight freaks. We're not going to abolish women's sport because 1 in 10,000 people have freak deformities.

[@ryanduggan6738]

@@c6q3a24did you see the part where I said it’s about 2% of the population. That’s 1 in 50 bud. These people aren’t freaks, they’re normal. You probably know someone who is intersex, but you’re unaware.

[@insolentchild6989]

@@ryanduggan6738 No, HRT does not take away the higher bone density, faster reaction time, stronger ligaments, longer bones, bigger lungs, bigger heart that the man develops during puberty. You're just COMPLETELY WRONG

[@ryanduggan6738]

@@insolentchild6989 cool opinion. Unfortunately facts, logic, and empirical evidence disagrees with you, here is a meta analysis of 8 research papers and 31 sports policies: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/. “There is no consistent or direct research indicating transgender women have an unfair athletic advantage at any stage of their transition. Additional findings show most sports policies are not evidence-based and trans individuals experience substantial discrimination from sports institutions.” You’re COMPLETELY WRONG. Grow a brain, insolent child

[@imatthewryan4076]

make them box Jake Paul

[@rahfahL]

At the same time

[@Chameleon_daddi]

Perfect, with Jake being women in a man's body

[@agp1327]

Lol😅😅

[@donovan4222]

I thought people don’t want men fighting people born as women? What happened?

[@assiduous_yogi]

Misfits 👀

[@M4570DON]

Short answer: no. Long answer: no.

[@truman368]

how does this affect LeBron's legacy

[@ivansyomkin2156]

So if I am male and have a condition that makes me produce more testosterone than other men, thus being more muscular and stronger, should I not be allowed to compete with men because of my advantage? I really don't see the difference.

[@junwu1793]

In imanes case it's not just hormone its his chromosome XY: male.

[@anaxmalakas]

Dumb comparison. There is more than testosterone differences in men and women.

[@anaxmalakas]

There is more than testosterone differences in men and women.

[@shoujokakumei39]

@@anaxmalakasyou’re approaching the point

[@morganfreeman8230]

​@@anaxmalakasexcept its a woman vs a woman

[@JDonovan95]

Always appreciate the time and effort Derek puts into his videos. Hope he never stops uploading on KZbin despite how successful he is outside of it

[@diogomata2438]

Could you please talk about the purple faces of the swimmers in the Olympics. Guys please like the comment so he can see it

[@30rdmaga]

Agreed 💯

[@loydchristmas23]

L-Arginine

[@GroovyWay912]

That was Chinese propaganda put out by Chinese state media. I watched it live, their faces were red.

[@virno69420]

​​@@loydchristmas23 No, its prob blood doping or ITPP as Greg Doucette said

[@draxinavd1711]

Sunscreen lmao

[@bobdog90]

The initial reports from the IBA were contradictory. They stated they didn't test testosterone before (now) claiming the test levels were high. Also they did the tests before entering the competition but were only disqualified after winning a couple fights. Turns out the only corporate sponsor of the IBA at that time was a Russian oil company. Regardless, it seems like the IOC needs a complex system with major & minor criteria and some combination of those precluding people from fighting. We do it in medicine all the time, so it shouldn't be hard. For instance, someone can have XX sex chromosomes and a free test up to 75, whereas someone who has XXY sex chromosomes but a testosterone cutoff of 50. All hypothetical of course, but even then, the system would be ignoring the known benefits of testosterone exposure over the course of years preceding the fight.

[@lukabeno9382]

you are a dummy

[@john_costello]

How about a system where biological men are never allowed to compete in the female sports division - which exists specifically for that purpose?

[@robertoimmaso]

The IBA is corrupt, the IOC clearly pushing an agenda and testing the waters. And the athletes paying the price, at least they got local support and their gold medals. They should be treated objectively, all athletes. IBA denied T test, because they have no threshold in women boxing and they want them to be as jacked and perform as good as possible, ask any previous medalist and they will tell you they have never been tested for TEstosterone. It is both the negligence of IOC and the corruption of IBA targeting athletes in the midst of a political war with IOC.

[@lmlimpoism]

IBA is supported and run by russia, a russian president, funded by Gazprom and they only failed imane after she beat a russian boxer. Shocking.

[@Naruto166666]

What about the androgen insensitivity prevalent in swyer's disease? Shouldn't this allow for a higher free test in the XY female? I did not watch the video btw so I don't know if he covers this lol

[@ignoranceisstrengthpodcast3294]

CLASSIC wood background and heater. Go on Derek

[@NobotyBoi]

But imagine GNC trying to sell this guy some multi vitamins

[@pikebasss]

Very balanced take. Can’t really trust the corrupt boxing org and the IOC did not do any testing. I guess we’ll see if any further tests are released. Personally I think if a favorable result comes out for either of the athletes then we’ll see it, if not then you can probably guess what happened. At any rate, I don’t think any athlete should be penalized at this point, however, future tests should be implemented to keep the sports relatively fair. I’m interested in what Derick believes about Olympic doping. I personally wouldn’t be surprised if most of the athletes are cheating in some way or another.

[@micahbowyer3375]

The hero we needed. Ive missed these breakdowns Derek!!!

[@revertedrf978]

Everyone saying chromosomes matter as if her vagina, uterus, ovaries, and period doesnt matter.

[@garry2561]

52:24

[@Bipolar.Baddie]

@@garry2561 The problem is that there's currently no empirical evidence that Khelif's chromosomes are XY or that she has internal testes. The IBA has yet to release these tests and they also only disqualified Khelif under these grounds after she beat a Russian boxer in the 2023 World Championship. The IBA is a Russian organization with ties to Russian oligarchs and the mob and the tournament was held in Russia.

[@wowitsfrostygames155]

They don’t when it comes to trying to conclude whether or not she should be in combat sports. I’ve sat on the subject and while I think it’s unfortunate and not her fault, there’s a reason we have separate categories for men and women. Intersex folk break the category. If you have male Chromosomes it should be a complete non starter for you to be in the same division as other women. At a certain point it’s not just about fairness it’s also about safety, and at least as far as combat sports go there’s a reason we don’t allow men and women to compete against eachother. It just is what it is, nobody chose it to be this way.

[@siema14123]

Nobody cares about "her" ovaries, uterus and periods. They care if "she" has a physical advantage thanks to having male chromosomes over other women, which is just plain unfair

[@siema14123]

There's a reason why you don't see people like "her" on the street but somehow in a sport where being a male is an advantage she randomly pops up beating everyone up. Must be a coincidence right?

[@dusancvetic5254]

Real talk, Olimpic commission shoud hire Derrek to be a consultant on the matter for LA olympics!

[@Stank_Tank]

Intro as if it’s just a normal every day video, outro with all the new businesses and products. Love it.

[@alexhahn5832]

The short answer: 54:38

[@tarzanstrickland]

This is not the short answer. His answer begins at 52:20

[@tarzanstrickland]

that timestamp you gave is him being sympathetic for them, not his actual analysis. He classifies them as essentially undervirilized men

[@rotcod1771]

Eh, he doesn't have a clinical degree. Also skeptical since he's starting making shitty supps to target people that buy shitty supps

[@joerapo]

​@@rotcod1771Now that knowledge can't be gatekept by institutions we're going to have to rethink how valuable degrees are. My doctor wants me to inject 200mg of testosterone once every two weeks. Instead I ordered insulin pins online and do daily. My wife's doctor rebuffed her on wanting TRT for her HRT. Instead she suggested hormonal birth control. These are the idiots you hold in high regard.

[@joebenson528]

@@rotcod1771

[@skylarcarlson7745]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[@_..-.._..-.._]

Haven’t checked in on MPMD in a long time…I gotta say, Derek’s hair protocol looks to be working very well 👍 😮

[@AndusDominae]

This (XY chromosomes in women's sports) is what my PhD work was planned to be about, but this video covers it better than anything I've put together on these specific cases.

[@Sfaegbe]

Derek is really good. I wonder where he gets his sources?

[@opensocietyenjoyer]

too sad that there was no test result confirming that she has XY. it was a claim fabricated by a russian propaganda outlet

[@TryndGod]

Damn PhD used to mean something😹if a guy that pieces different googled articles together wrote a better script than an entire PhD student lmfaooo drop out now youre a failure

[@jakeleisure8326]

​@@SfaegbeThe same place everyone else gets their sources, lol

[@Sfaegbe]

@@jakeleisure8326 which is what

[@joshk9328]

most of the commenters did not watch the whole video.

[@RyuKyu.77]

Advanced biology on Gender and sex are beyond comprehension for transphobes

[@sensei_...]

Obv🤣the vid id 1h long

[@joshk9328]

@@sensei_... does it need subway surfers and subtitles to keep your attention?

[@sensei_...]

@@joshk9328 no it needs to be (way more)interesting, which the video is def not. Who would take 1h of their day for something that irrelevant and not even exciting, think little guy think

[@joshk9328]

@@sensei_... I have ADHD and I was able to sit and watch the entire video. It's not that hard sit through if you're actually interested in being informed.

[@carsonklima147]

Finally, I was hoping a video would be made about by someone I trust and someone that knows what they’re talking about

[@Bipolar.Baddie]

My opinions on this issue are influenced by the fact that Imane Khelif is Algerian and that the IBA is a very sketchy organization that had a vested interest to protect Russian boxers. Sex reassignment surgery and being openly transgender are illegal in Algeria and even if it wasn't, one would be putting themselves at great risk for physical harm, harassment, and discrimination for being openly transgender. With both of these things being true, then why would Algeria select her as their representative for Women's boxing? Merit absolutely earns people Olympic spots but they are also chosen for embodying the values that define a nation's identity which is why Ashkenazi Jewish athletes are far more likely to compete for Israel than Arab Israeli athletes of equal skill. As for the IBA, their connections to Russian mafia organizations and high-ranking Russian politicians really hurts their credibility. Russia is an extremely homophobic and transphobic society so accusing Khelif of being transgender was a great reason to disqualify her from the World Championship after she beat a Russian boxer. Until her disqualification, she was a talented boxer that was openly never accused of using PEDs or being biologically male. Her career record is great but it doesn't have many KOs and she was known as a technical point fighter with good shot selection, not a power puncher. It doesn't make logical sense that she'd never have undergone rigorous testing until 2023.

[@derekalexandersmith]

I agree, especially with the point about the IBA -- we are all speaking as if the test shows what they say it shows, but they HAVE NOT PUBLISHED ANYTHING. I encourage people to dig into the recent history of the IBA and the person running the operation.

[@simmorg290]

She's not and never has been transgender.

[@44KJ44]

Agreed

[@Moose92411]

The fact, at the heart of this issue, is that we have two competitive gender classes, and a wild spectrum of sexual development possibilities. There are many individuals who, through no fault of their own, fail outside the bounds I'd those two classes. I have no idea how to rectify that without excluding people who have done nothing wrong while maintaining some measure of parity in standards. I have no idea how to resolve this issue. It sucks.

[@chrismccreight8207]

I think they should not be allowed to compete in women’s boxing. It sucks, but 99.9% of the world’s athletes also don’t get to compete in professional sports. It isn’t a right, it’s a privilege.

[@tubo777]

The truth is you are either a biological male or a female. If you have XY chromosomes you are male. If you happen to have a condition that makes you develop less than average male is your problem, women in competitive sports that trained their entire life to succeed shouldn't be beaten by a male with some strange condition, its not their fault. That male is the one that has to come to terms with his condition and accept that maybe elite sports are not for him the same way that they are not for 99.99999% of the population. We all have dreams and also limitations and have to cope with them.

[@robertoimmaso]

​@@tubo777 Listen dude. Complicated issue require competent knowledgeable people to speak upon. You don't get to throw percentages and be an overnight scientist. Science says, gender is determined through genital phenotype, gonadal patterns, and chromosomal karyotypes. The conclusion that XX is woman and XY is men is for vast majority of human beings. a 5th degree level of understanding. However, people with disorders (not only sexual disorders) are not as simple as that. For you to understand, Hopefully you don't get to go through this. But if you are blessed with a beautiful young baby girl (no issues, has female genitals), she grows to puberty age and maybe or maybe not you will discover an issue manly through abnormalities (no menstruation, irregular menstruation, under developed breasts, or other more severe issues), or maybe abnormalities are not detected until she is sexually active, or discovers that she can't get pregnant, or gets tumors , maybe cancers. Or she can live her normal female life like nothing happened. And I come, through a youtube video comment and say, My dude I apologise but right there is not your daughter Sir. But You have a grown MAN, or biological MAN. Guess what also, now because you refuse to accept your ignorance, You just made a woman into a man advocating that a woman with ovaries, and a uterus is actually a Man. Meaning a man can get pregnant and have a monthly period. This is why, you should leave advanced issues to be addressed by people that have required knowledge, and they can scrutinize each others deductions and improve our understanding or the human beings anatomy.

[@Moose92411]

@@tubo777 it just isn't as simple as you would love it to be

[@stevenundisclosed6091]

These individuals simply should not have been allowed to compete. It's unfortunate for them, it really isn't their fault, but maintaining the integrity of the game and safety of the athletes is paramount. The IOC is there to make these kinds of tough decisions, and it failed in this case.

[@saltfarmer3910]

How am I just now seeing more of MPMD content. This guy is dope as hell

[@PinkMuffin420]

Derek what is your new hair loss protocol.

[@JohnSmith-pn1vv]

Turkey

[@Guus115]

Hairsystem

[@LunarVamp]

Timing is crazy, I was literally just watching cycle stories **crying laughing face**

[@beardy7124]

Sounds more complicated than I could have imagined. The saddest part of this issue is that it’s being decided by the global politics of the athletic organizations.

[@steven99191]

I've felt since the start of this whole gender in sports discussion that there's one very simple way to remedy all of this. Change the "Men's" designation to "Open" and everyone can compete in this category. XY, XXY, Trans, Intersex, whatever. Everyone can compete in the open bracket. Then the "Women's" bracket is very specifically just for biological "normal" women who have XX chromosomes, went through female puberty, and have normal levels of testosterone. It's most blatantly obviously fair way to do this. Period.

[@UltraWhale]

100% agree

[@tarettime9392]

This is a decent solution. This is a decent solution cause in a relatively recent BJJ tournament there was uproar about a “man” competing against the women and how unfair it was. Turns out they were born female and transitioned to male but anti trans rules stated that they have to compete in the division of their assigned gender at birth so even though they were on testosterone and transitioning to male and identifying as male they had to compete against women. Anti trans rules hurt biological women too

[@marshmallowmann20]

They shouldn't allowed to compete in either division as they're clearly on TRT ​@@tarettime9392

[@donovan4222]

@@steven99191 You realize women can have xx chromosomes, go through puberty and have higher levels of testosterone?

[@TTCanadaJapan]

​@@tarettime9392 if you're doping and on testosterone, you should be barred from competing. Simple. Why is it that it's ok all of the sudden if you say you're "transitioning". If you're doping, you're doping.

[@filipklam8596]

Given your authority on yt, we could have used this analysis a bit earlier. Some normies still believe they have a chromosome disease or something

[@Sid00077]

People will choose to believe what they want to believe despite evidence to the contrary. We live in a post-truth world.

[@amanwithaplan3873]

they do did you not watch the video

[@RaulV22]

I’m only 20 minutes into this and Derek already did more research on this than any journalist on either side of the political spectrum. He showed empathy, was respectful, and I can tell he tried to be non-biased. Fucking brilliant!

[@erikapple8955]

I'm a professional fighter. If I had elevelated test for years, and then repressed it for a few months, I would still have a MASSIVE advantage

[@donovan4222]

Yeah people born with higher test have advantages in sports, so what?

[@usmanfarooq96]

Michael phelps and Shaq have massive physical advantages unrelated to skill and hard work It’s sport, what’s new

[@Horsemanray]

All of the sudden you ppl all talk like pinkos. "Waaaaaaaah why can't all the athletes be just as strong as one another!!! no fair!!!"

[@Haydrn]

All you people pointing out that Phelps and Shaq have unfair advantages should be for abolishing gendered sports leagues then right?

[@FrenkieWest32]

@@Haydrn and why would that make sense?

[@boiler4life3325]

Been waiting for this

[@charlesmcdowell2801]

Great discussion. You speak with such clarity and I enjoy hearing your fair and balanced analysis.

[@Siamotutti161]

It just baffles me that noone is talking about her performance at the last Olympics where she lost so hard. Like if she was some kind of unbeatable woman, she wouldn't have lost last time. The thing is. The Olympics is meant to finde the biological geniuses that just surpass anyone. And in the male category it works because there is no upper end. However in the femal categories, every time a woman out performs othere her sex is set in to question. Guess what there are people that are genetically set for a certain sport and limiting woman that are outperforming other woman just helps to reinforce the "woman can't do this" mindset.... Have some woman an advantage, yes, have some man an advantage yes and that it's what it is about... Why would we praise the genetic genius man but ban the genetic genius woman? Because othe woman aren't as strong? Wtf

[@oluwaseyijohnson2319]

Because men sports is kinda like an open competition to an extent. While women’s sport is reliant that there are no men. So if you get the biological advantage of being more like a man it kinda ruins the purpose of women’s sport

[@titeunheukels6763]

Last time she also fought in a different weight class.

[@Protonpack]

​@@oluwaseyijohnson2319yeah but all the previous Olympics up until now, all the records were set including women who would have been like Imane. I don't think we saw everything get fucked up. Where were these dominant women destroying everyone?

[@claudius_drusus_]

having an advantage doesn't mean you always automatically win. So him losing doesn't change HIS situation. Imane is a DUDE.

[@Protonpack]

@@claudius_drusus_ you are literally a useful idiot to Russian propaganda. I don't care to explain anymore because it's become a waste of time explaining to people so gullible they fall for everything.

[@LunarVamp]

Dutasteride mentioned 🤠

[@henkdedikkesteen]

yeah im wondering if this is new in his regimen or if he only used it previously. I wish he did more updated hair loss vids

[@timtrainage]

EXCELLENT video Derek. I drew a similar conclusion but was not nearly as versed in the topic. This was very educational.

[@SubjectiveFunny]

Because I live in the UK, under our recently elected Labour government, I think she is stunning and brave. The greatest and most feminine woman I have ever seen. Such a beauty, a treat to the senses.

[@sentientmlem727]

I live in the US and I can say she's a he!

[@rickchristie99]

Hahaha

[@topgamer8289]

Holy nuance. So basically, its gotta be a case by case basis.

[@ToTheGrave20]

We have to remove all Michael Phelps gold medals.

[@maxaffe3195]

@@ToTheGrave20 pls explain

[@ToTheGrave20]

@@maxaffe3195 He has genetic outliers that no other person in the world has. It's unfair.

[@donovan4222]

Yeah turns out gender isn’t as simple and binary as conservatives once thought, since they are now all claiming someone born a woman can’t be a woman.

[@qui1766]

@@maxaffe3195Michael Phelps is too “bussin’”, he no cap has fins for hands and fish lungs on Jah. He surpasses Ohio rizz, and is hella skibidi, which is sus.

[@mooxo5192]

Thank you Derek for being you and doing these deepdives

[@Treayom]

In Roman times they would have been the most popular female athletes 😅😅

[@JoshSmith2020]

There were not "female athletes" in Roman times. (Modern accounts claiming otherwise lack any persuasive historical evidence.)

[@user-xm7xi1yt8u]

Let's goo delt god is back

[@rosenelehman2883]

I didn’t understand half that but I just needed company while getting chores done and I like listening to smart people saying smart things. I definitely missed this.

[@The-Dom]

I fucking love you man. A lucid, scientific, non-bias explanation. And the beautiful thing is it identifies that gender is not binary, "spectrum of gender". So all the bigots can chill the f out. I'm a "cis male" but the close mindedness around this stuff really grinds my gears.

[@august18016]

Its so refreshing to hear someone mature talk about this subject

[@claudius_drusus_]

No, gender has always been categorical. Female boxing is for females. Those who are not within that strict category, can't compete in it. You're playing semantics to conflate "gender" with masculinity/femininity.

[@beetalius]

all you need to know is, do they have a y chromosome? If yes, then male. Do they have some sexual development issues that prevent them from incompletely differentiating from female to male? If yes, then male with sexual development issues. Have they undergone any sexual differentiation including increased testosterone levels? Then male with sexual development issues who retains advantages over women in physical competition.

[@chandraray7798]

@@frana.2826Is swyer the one where the sry gene is broken? Or is it a resistance to androgens that cause feminine development?

[@AlwaysAC]

Your opinion is that they are males born with vaginas? Very progressive view.

[@neptuneamaru5649]

Imane is from Algeria and she would literally be killed if she underwent any of that.

[@kjr4946]

So if they have a Y chromosome, but can give birth, you'd consider them male?

[@Rob_zm]

Perfect timing! I needed some empirical evidence to back up my arguments!

[@Pengyz]

Babe wake up, derek uploaded

[@xFalconn1]

Khelif was disqualified from last-years International Boxing Association world championships after failing 'unspecified gender eligibility tests'. This is where the accusations of high testosterone and XY chromosomes comes from. These accusations are unsubstantiated, as the IBA never released the test results, or even disclosed what tests were conducted to identify these 'discrepancies'. Here comes the rub - these tests, and the subsequent disqualification, came three days after Khelif beat a previously-undefeated fighter from Russia. Gazprom, the Russian state oil company, is the main sponsor of the IBA, which has also been involved in several prior scandals involving controversial disqualifications. So, if you were wondering why a woman who was born a woman, lived her entire life as a woman and has competed in both amateur and professional boxing competitions as a woman is now being accused of hiding a gender transition (that would invalidate her win against a previously-undefeated Russian athlete), now you know.

[@dandybufo9664]

This is the best explanation of the relevant biology presented in a largely compassionate tone while also taking a stance of what constitutes fairness in women’s sport . Well done !

[@raymondmeyers8983]

They look “a little bit” more masculine. Really? Just a little bit?

[@rosihantu1]

That's a man, baby.

[@tarettime9392]

Have you seen the other female boxers in her division? I was watching boxing one day and was like wait which one of these is The one people are upset about “looking like a man” they all do

[@Bipolar.Baddie]

You do realize that people have different facial structures, right? Some women who are otherwise very feminine can grow male pattern facial hair or have relatively large Adam's apples that deepen their voice. Different ethnicities also have different facial structures in the same way that they can have different complexions or hair textures. Historically, Europeans and peoples with a European based culture have viewed Arabs, Persians, Kurds, and Turkic peoples as having more 'masculine' features such as sharper jaws and broader cheek bones. Many East Asian men have similar fat distributions on their face as European women, partially informing the racist stereotype that East Asian men are innately effeminate. Also, if "common sense" observations were reliable, most people would still believe that the Sun and stars orbited the Earth. Allegorical observations are not scientifically valid because they are informed by the internal biases that all people have. In this case, it appears that you're judging Imane Khelif's biological sex off of your assumption that humans are perfectly sexually dimorphic, which they are not.

[@Nithinithinith]

So are feminine looking “lady boys” women?

[@NotCringy]

Iman is an Algerian female, and Algeria is a Muslim country, there homosexuality is illegal with massive punishment, let alone transitioning, because she already fight in her country, the thing is she is a female with more testosterone, and that's what's make her have powerful.

[@juandirection8820]

No one is arguing this, you people are missing the point.

[@liltimmah]

Yes, more content. Been hanging for it

[@barnuner]

It’s not like she was some dominant boxer. She had a pretty terrible record and didn’t exactly dominate the Olympics. Not to mention the IBA test is fairly questionable and the boxers being disqualified were conveniently to the benefit or Russian boxers which the IBA is controlled by Russia.

[@toocooldk]

That actually have no relevans… And in the end she won…

[@Inflorescensse]

So if i start giving my pregnant wife 5AR inhibitor like propecia now, keep it in the boys bottle and food, in 18 years ill have an olympian.

[@bendagostino2217]

Genius idea!

[@cynic256]

Get to mixing brother....!remindme 18 years

[@brightonlund]

My little brain was actually able to wrap itself around this information. Thank you!

[@josegamez9808]

I think people are getting to concerned with this stuff. What ever happened to letting people who were natural freaks of nature excel at their sport? Like the lady with internal testes, she wasn’t maliciously trying to hide being trans. An intersex athlete shouldn’t be barred from competing. It’s honestly no different from bodybuilding, should’ve picked better parents and better genetics. (Sarcasm in case people can’t tell).

[@simmorg290]

So no male and female categories then? If someone with internal testicles can compete against women then why can't someone with external testicles do the same?

[@thebugaboo]

@@simmorg290 holy shit you have no idea what you're saying lmao

[@simmorg290]

@@thebugaboo Nice comeback. Why don't you explain where I've gone wrong. What difference does it make where the testicles are?

[@daltonmussi9060]

If a man has the opposite of it, and it makes him more feminine with less muscle, should he be disqualified from competing with normal men? On women sport is wrong but in men sport is usually not. Most men will know it is not for them. Why for woman has to be different? That is called a strong woman, you see it in all sports and is called physical talent or specimen, whatever you wanna called.

[@qui1766]

The man wouldn’t be able to compete because he is at a complete disadvantage.

[@rossmillington4959]

Really good video, very useful in a confusing situation like this, i got a lot of compassion for these athletes

[@etantife]

13:38 I lost it. 😂 This person can't possibly believe that they don't have an advantage

[@carterroberts8759]

I was like you dont think your internal testies give you an advantage, like can you hear your voice.

[@Alanfairfield]

A college should give Derek an honorary PHD. I think the depth and peer review of his research warrants it!

[@dylansevitt]

Peer review? Are you an ai just throwinf words together what part of his "research" is peer reviewed

[@tearsintherain6311]

Peer review? What?

[@Alanfairfield]

@@dylansevitt It’s reviewed by thousands in the scientific community because of the size of his audience. Im using the term peer review colloquially rather than formally. I am not an AI lol

[@Alanfairfield]

@@tearsintherain6311 bruh Kanye got an honorary PHD just for being a prolific musician 🤣. I’m referring to that type of deal in my original comment. Don’t you think Derek has put in a comparable depth and breadth of research, which would exceed many academics in his field? Not to mention his role as an educator of the public specifically. Not all PHDs focus on super narrow scientific disciplines… plenty are renowned for their role as Educators. Bill Nye was once upon a time considered to be in this position too, even though the topics he was presenting were cursory, as they were aimed at school-age children.

[@jgoldian47]

DEREK WE NEED YOU BACK MORE THAN EVER

[@AfroGaz71]

The Phelps comparison that is typically trotted out is a false equivalence as he is still using the same set of tools as every other male. It's like having a tree felling competition and everybody brings their own axe. All the axes vary to their effectiveness. Then the last competitor turns up with a chainsaw. Technically they're competing in felling a tree, but we would all see that one had an unfair advantage due to using a different tool.

[@qui1766]

This is a perfect explanation on the issue!

[@justenbenally522]

Retard logic

[@tearsintherain6311]

Then why did she lose 9 times

[@clayton7757]

Those other men are not competing with the “same tools”Phelps is 6’4 with an 80 inch reach and legs that are 6 inches shorter than they should be at the average proportions for his height. He also has size 14 feet and ankles which hyperextend 15% more than average. Researchers also performed blood tests on him after competing in a 100m butterfly and found that he produces 1/2 to 1/3 as much lactic acid as other swimmers. He fatigues less, produces far more power, and has a more hydrodynamic frame than the average swimmer.

[@LucielStarz123]

@@clayton7757 the closest female equivalent to Michael Phelps w would be Katie Ledecky, and even then, amazing of a swimmer as she is, her best score couldn’t place within the top 20% of men

[@Kechioh]

I skipped the troonlympics but I’m definitely watching more Derek

[@ash1eyrose]

Trans people are thankfully banned from the Olympics now