Are Metal Electronic Hi-Hats Worth Buying?

[@landonp629]

I live in an apartment and use the Field cymbals... In my experience, they really aren't that loud, and certainly not any louder than cheaper rubber cymbals that use a small amount of rubber over the plastic shell, like the Alesis DM10 symbols or the Roland CY-5's, etc. Also, I tend to find that in apartments, its not so much the stick noise that is the problem, its the floor vibrations you really need to look out for. You can adjust your sensitivity settings and play softer if you need less stick volume, but the floor vibrations are a whole other animals.

[@xdanulicious4275]

4:08 just causally playing on a roof 😂

[@DeejayRach0]

hahahahah amazing

[@ralis]

Win with the dog cam!

[@65Drums]

Say hi to Zoe :)

[@minimix24]

@@justahasbeen /9777779*00922999

[@finbeard]

man, i saw an older video of yours from maybe 3 years ago the other day, and then seeing this, you've really improved! and this is from a year ago, you must be even better now! nice work! keep practicing! this video was also super informative & helpful! clear, to the point, no BS. great job!

[@timmoran6280]

I gotta say man I am really liking the direction your channel is headed. Seems your videos have been digging deeper into the details and I love that stuff. I love the fact you took the field hats apart. Great stuff.

[@broadmoorstudio]

2:42 Editing stuff like this is the reason I love behind the scenes.

[@65Drums]

hahahaha

[@BCRobot]

One of your best produced reviews Justin ... good editing and very informative

[@jamiesea]

Thanks Justin! Didn't know about Field drums till you mentioned them! :D

[@helenpowell7908]

Hi everyone, just received the V-Expressions ~ Series 3 sound package for my Drum-Tec kit. And, the sounds are really good and are comparable to the Drum-Tec LIVE EDITION. 25 Kits for $50 is a great deal especially if you need to use the kit for live performances.

[@ensuingdrum4946]

You have the best informational videos out there, I have learned a lot and very useful info. Thanks Justin.

[@65Drums]

Thanks Don!

[@PhotoTrekr]

Ok, I don't know why you're on the roof, but I'm lovin it.

[@laurdessvalentino5849]

I had Field cymbals... all the chokes broke. And the screws on them made for a tricky bounce from the stick.

[@jamiesea]

Field website says "Industry first switchable output configuration allows for 3 zones on 1 jack" for the cymbals. Pretty sweet

[@shep00703]

Love the Dog cam!

[@MikeLuke]

Really great one & thanks for this, Justin! Speaking of volume, I made the same experiences with my Jobeky cymbals. Though the absolute peaks in volume are almost the same (or not much of a huge difference), it’s the frequency range that’s important. You clearly see that the midrange at around 1-4KHz is louder or more present on the metal ones. And to this frequencies our ears are more sensitive to by nature. I agree on the stick issues, I need a lot more sticks after I had switched to the Jobeky cymbals, where even those rubber tips don’t help as you usually hit the cymbal with the shoulder of the stick. Thanks again for uploading!

[@65Drums]

Thanks so much!! Really good point Mike. The metallic stick noise from hitting the bow area REALLY stands out, oddly enough the perceived loudness is higher than it really is. But hey I guess that's how human ears work, it's that frequency range.

[@13F_Airborne]

Its still hard to believe Jerry (jman) is no longer with us. I can here to look at your thoughts on Field but seeing those pics of Jerry makes me remember my PMs and phone calls. Such a great guy.

[@markricher7362]

The Field hats look awesome, if I had the money I would buy those!

[@brucewatkins1624]

Cool dog...he definitely prefers the rubber HH !! Thanks, good summary 😎

[@gabrielszarose5640]

The metal ones sound super clean,if you need to reach for it in song parts, i prefer the bronze, Zil.Gen.electronic, high hats, with the tiny holes, they act as a great, secoundary back up choice, for closed high hat, ride work, with the volume control, as well as the real quite, off switch too.

[@objoyful989]

I live in an apartment. I use cheap accoustic silent cymbals (with holes). They are as thin as usual cymbals. Around the edges I use a simple rubber Band, which reduces noise and prevents damaging my sticks. I am pretty sure, that my hats and other cymbals are not louder than the rubber cymbals I used before. They just have a brighter tone. Thus I confirm, that it is possible to use metal cymbals with great look and feel at an acceptable noise level in an apartment.

[@soeiruh]

Great video! I'll stick with my VH11 for now.

[@JohnDRobinsonelectronicdrums]

great comparisons, Justin! very entertaining with module turned on or off..by the way, I never realised how quiet mesh heads are compared to my yamaha!

[@rhythmantic]

Thank you Justin for this very informative video. I going to purchase Magnatrack triggered low-volume cymbals. They also have regular metal cymbals.

[@SvenCArcher]

I tried using a Jobeky HH and ride, but had to switch back to the Roland rubber cymbals after the sound guy complained about the stick noise coming through my vocal mic. Maybe something to consider before making the investment.

[@mr-cup]

Nice video. Keep good work

[@Wollestar]

I would argue, that the main reasons why two piece hihats are louder are, the overall higher mass, which has its own resonance, plus the air volume enclosed between the two parts will be triggered at its residual frequency.

[@mfournier01]

Once again great content Justin. Your depth of reviews have come so far that I pretty much don’t have to look anywhere else to make a buying decision. Thanks for that! Also, like others have said, your playing is superb! Drum on

[@ZaxDrumsGolfandMore]

I think this is a question quite a few e-drummers have been contemplating lately!! Neither the rubber or the metal bothered your dog!! The metal ones were just a tad louder!! I knew the feel would be better with the metal ones!! Cool video Justin!!

[@kierenmoore3236]

I could watch dog-cam and flying rubber drumstick tips, all day …

[@mindmesh7566]

Pretty much went the way I thought this comparison would as heavily coated rubber cymbals would obviously be slightly more dampened than the metal cymbals - both were very noticeable during the doggy test downstairs! I’m an old school drummer/percussionist so it was a revelation to hear how both could be heard down on the floor below. But I have to say I kind of like the electronic sound of the metal cymbals slightly more than the rubber ones - but maybe I just need to her the different “sounds” available in their programmed hubs. I need to learn more about those FIELD cymbals to what’s what! Cheers man!

[@sharkzf6]

your reviews are excellent! thanks!

[@paulwilkinson1290]

This is my new favorite song

[@zacharyloewke6366]

Good timing my dude! In the middle of deciding whether or not to go with Jobeky Real-Feels or the Roland Rubber cymbals. This will be a great reference. Dig the new setup, too. Keep up the killer content.

[@johnnyedrummer7301]

Take a look at Magnatrack. You can trigger low volume hi-hat/cymbals all day with great sensitivity and way cheaper than Jobeky. I looked at going that route as well but glad i didn't!

[@zacharyloewke6366]

Johnny Edrummer Thank you. Will take that into consideration.

[@shancoll001]

Your my go to man for a unbrought true opinion cover the vast range of what I care about or questioning

[@RyoCanCan]

I'd get those field cymbals just for the look.

[@1977eliasfigueroa]

Great video as always Justin! I really like the different scenarios you used as well! hahahaha... the rubber tips falling off!!!!

[@65Drums]

Thanks! I wanted to demo it in different environments

[@mikestein1024]

I'd also like to add atlas sound lab makes great metal cymbals for sale he's a ex recording guy who's recorded my drumming in his studio a few times he makes a great 3 zone ride that the bell is actually separate and does not miss trigger

[@looseemonnn1973]

the production value is so much better i love it lol

[@65Drums]

I spend 10+ hours on this one, glad you liked it

[@cleverdood]

Good timing! I’m looking at replacing my Strike Pro hi hats. I use the SP for recording and my only complaint is the hi hats. I don’t know if it’s how I set it up, the module or the pads, but it always flips between detecting the bow and edge so I just use the same sound for both, plus the feel of the SP hats is not great.

[@fraserp2377]

Enjoyed those chops!

[@65Drums]

Thanks!

[@jmtjr659]

Great playing

[@youngguns996]

Great Review Justin! 👍

[@65Drums]

Thanks Enrique!

[@gregthegroove]

If all things are considered equal and money and noise aren’t an issue, I think metal electronic cymbals either bought or DIY is the way to go IMO. ESP for hi hat, feel is best, and then obviously they look the best too. Performance wise, Roland is tough to beat as far as rubber hi hats go.

[@johnmahoney7058]

Awesome video! I'm struggling to get my new Field cymbals working well with my Pearl Mimic...

[@johnmahoney7058]

Nope. I’m slowly replacing Field with Jobecky. Much better results

[@r4random368]

Hi, would you be able to do a video in the future about how you can play drums while reading the music sheets and turning the pages? Sorry for a beginner drummer question.

[@kingzor100]

What i did was buy and alesis e kit and replaced all the cymbals with low volume ones and miced them absolutly loving it over plastic crap

[@donsak111]

Thinking of going hybrid too...

[@kingzor100]

@@donsak111 dont take my advice all to serious though im still a beginner im not in a band and have never played live

[@donsak111]

@@kingzor100 was thinking of this setup long ago... What low volume cymbals did you use and how to they compare noise-wise against rubber?

[@kingzor100]

@@donsak111 volume depends on how hard you hit from quiter than pad to louder however the low volume cymbals has a much higher sound frequency than rubber and as such us easier to sound dampen. I bought the millenium still series and in terms of botherung surronding then kickpad causes by far more noise to neighbors than 5he cymbals

[@donsak111]

@@kingzor100 I was thinking of getting some Arborea B8 with some Rode M5 as overheads. Yup kick pads are noisy. I use a Yamaha KP65 and managed to controlled impact with some solution, but ambient noise still quite present.

[@ServantofJesus247]

I was just thinking how it would affect my sticks and you started talking about it. I think I'll keep rubber for now. I have mesh heads and I'm not trying to keep buying sticks

[@BuddyBlueberry]

fucking sweet playing at the start!

[@astronaut2005drummer]

Great review!

[@thedivassoulband6260]

Thanks for this.

[@mattvdh]

nice playing

[@demonicsweaters]

Awesome demo in the beginning man! Is that the TD-17 your using?

[@65Drums]

Thanks! this was back when a subscriber let me borrow his TD50 drum module for a few months, so that's what I was using

[@demonicsweaters]

@@65Drums Oh I see. Great job though!

[@jariusbrown5501]

I was wondering if your Facebook group was still open? And great video as always thanks for taking the time to make These!

[@65Drums]

It's a closed group, but all you have to do is click the join button. I have to approve each member, had problems with spam accounts

[@ZoeSummers1701A]

Hi. I have the original Td20 with the add on expansion and a whole host of extra cymbals and pads (all Roland) so I was disappointed when the silver cymbals came out. Do you know of a latex spray paint that will not perish, damage or impact triggering, that I can spray onto my Roland cymbals? That way, even when it chips off I can re-paint them again? Thanks for all your hard work and support to the e-drum community.

[@andrums93]

Hi , are those FIELD CYMBALS Better or most worth it rather than the Jobeky Ones ?

[@sasoritaiga]

Great video. Just one jerky question: Did Nike send you a check?

[@MrBarryhutch]

Please tell me the brand of those metal electric cymbals

[@pmdci]

Dog is like: "Please G-d make him stop..."

[@bailey12444]

Love my vh 13 and try everything out there

[@65Drums]

The VH13 is still king

[@drummermike7067]

Check out the hi-hats from Cymbolic and Jobeky

[@mikestein1024]

Even though Justin's getting more and more metal cymbals

[@DrummerGrrrl]

I hate the rubber cymbal pads from the new Alesis kits. Ugh! I like the feel of the top-end Roland cymbal pads but those metal cymbal triggers look and sound pretty sweet. Thanks for another excellent and well researched video.

[@NicleT]

I’d like to see the frequency spectrum of all of them. I feel that rubber cymbals have more low mid compared to the metal ones though. Sometimes, it’s not just volume but the frequencies that make their way through walls to your neighbors ears!

[@cubeincubes]

the VH-11 is AWESOME!! the ride cymbal hurts my wrist tho

[@Mustis91]

Thumps up for the dog cam. By the way.. How are Jobekys compared to diamonds? I'm thinking about buying a 4 piece setup for my 2box drumit 5. I think both sell a variant for it. i might buy the ones with holes in them :D

[@johnstahrstartcleanfitwell1051]

Hey Justin, I have a Roland TDK17 with the hi hat that has the 1 piece top hat & then that plastic thingy underneath... What I'm finding is when I do lifts it doesn't really react at all like a regular acoustic hat especially partial lifts... it would seem that Thaele would be an adjustment setting to set it to respond where you want the partial lift sound to start generating... I'm finding I basically have to lift my foot all the way off the pedal to get the lift sound... Is there anything I can to do to adjust this? And say, for instance, If I used easy drummer with it would that have a setting in it where I can do a partial lift to sound natural? I really really really love your channel and I have learned basically everything I know about e-drums from your channel... if you could respond I would really really really appreciate it I know you're really busy but god this has been driving me crazy so I wanted to see if there was anything I could do without having to purchase the drumming software... THANK YOU 🙏🏻 SO MUCH brother & keep up the AWESOME work!!!

[@annekedebruyn7797]

So sound is not that much louder compared to the ATV. I mean, a bit of extra loudness is expected, especially towards the ultra soft Roland's.

[@route-249]

Justin, I keep trying to get a response from you on an older video you did about best upgrade for the Roland TD17kvs. Could you please answer the question I had or let me know to resubmit it? thanks...

[@joesmusic8943]

I want to get the most realistic feel and the best sound out of an electronic drums. Can I do this by getting the Field Drum set and Roland TD 50 module? I will be using it strictly for recording sessions. Is the field drums (including the snare) just as good as the one on the Roland TD 50 KVX?

[@pittsleysotr]

Can I use these with an Alesis Crimson II kit? The Alesis HH are hard to find.

[@DrummerGrrrl]

You haven't tried the Tama rubber stick tips, have you? Those suckers do NOT come off! They aren't very well known but they are awesome. The reason why they stay on the tip of the drumstick is that they're not easy to get on them in the first place...you have to wrestle the little s*&$ts but once you have them on there, you are good to go. When it's time to remove them, a little more exercise is needed and then, with a release of vacuum, POP! They come off. I recommend them to everyone.

[@micheletamanti]

hello what do you have on your drums?

[@sabahoudini]

I used to play metal cymbals a few years ago, they are louder and the edge always needed to be struck harder to trigger. Is this still the case or have they found a way to trigger the edge easier?

[@Aldertonartco]

Did you by any chance first start learning by playing jazz? You are pretty darn technical, it's something I need to start learning, any tips?

[@65Drums]

Hey thanks Jack, I just play whatever catches my ear or is fun to play. I don't have a jazz background, but I do listen on occasion :)

[@mattkudirka8090]

I wish you showed some half open playing and quick open/close on the Fields. I really want to like them. What do you think plays closest to an acoustic out of a VH11 and the Field?

[@65Drums]

I'll cover that hopefully in my next video. btw these aren't the current gen field hihats but I still like them

[@filicourbeillere4577]

That’s where all metal cymbals will fail, there’s simply no way to get a response like from a rubber vh-13 because the metal hihat vibrates too much and you can’t get a clean and full transition between open and closed, if you play metal you won’t care...

[@jonpnorris]

I heard that Field offers a static/touch hand choke system. Is this true for the hi hat cymbal as well?

[@65Drums]

I'm using the old generation version, so it doesn't have that feature. Can't say either way about the new ones

[@swe872]

I need help plz noticee me :'u, im interesed in buying the alesis usb pro, IT is used so IT doesnt have the CD with BFX lite, i dont know anything about using ezdrummer with DAW like reaper an how to connect the e drum, is there anything to Just plug and play drums?, or any good tutorial to configurate?

[@armandodiaz3485]

Hey Justin I have a question about the bell trigger issue with Roland ride cymbals like the CY-13R. I see a lot of “fix” videos and forums but they all rely on modifications of some kind. Are any newer Roland ride cymbals free of the bell issue? If so which ones are they. Thanks!!

[@Squidmustard]

4:07 DUDE DRUMMING ON THE ROOF WTF

[@ryanbuckley5529]

Looks like both is the way to go! Lol

[@morecowbell2291]

Hey Justin been loving your channel. I'm converting my acoustic set and want to keep my acoustic hi hats. Is there a way I can trigger my acoustic hi hats? Hope you're getting through this Corona issue well. Hope to hear back soon thanks.

[@65Drums]

You could outfit a trigger system to your hihat but it's very complicated, I've found that it's just much much easier to buy a pre-converted set of hihats.

[@morecowbell2291]

Thanks for getting back so quick... I was considering losing the bottom hi hat, replacing that with Goedrum hihat controller, putting a combo mute 360 around the top hat, and then attaching one of those pintech acoustic head triggers on the top hat. What's your thoughts?

[@ambosch4149]

Nice dog cam

[@DrummerGrrrl]

I played earlier Pintech cymbal trigger pads and...ugh! The stick feel is just really, really strange.

[@65Drums]

I've never played one, they seem a tad rare

[@DrummerGrrrl]

I kind of compare it to hitting a baseball with an aluminum bat. The feel is just...wrong to me, you know?! ;-)

[@jwc3104]

Justin, Could you please do a video on "Tennis Elbow" effect that many E-Drummers are reporting... and how to negate the effect. I, for one, do get pain on my arm when I play electronic kit. (I don't get any pain playing acoustic kit) I don't know if it is rubber cymbals, or mesh heads causing it (I have TD30k + ATV ad5)

[@rez6541]

Try different sticks like ahead or wood sticks designed for edrums. They absorb some of the shock of hittiing the pads better then regular sticks. Also I'm not sure how hard you play but that could be a factor too. Many drummers bash way to hard on edrums and it's very unnecessary. I know the adrenaline gets going and you want to play hard but with edrums it's counter productive.

[@e8tballz]

I concur. Ahead sticks would be a big help, also (even though a lot of people say it’s corny) drummer’s gloves and perhaps get an nylon elbow bra e at your local pharmacy. This will help a lot with absorbing the shock of hitting the pad and it traveling through your hands and up your forearm to elbow. I personally get a lot of pain between my thumb and forefinger.

[@riedlerhotzenplotz4819]

Doggo! ❤

[@domijust4816]

Sick playing man. I think the looks and feel of the metal cymbals will be a big win. How much would you say do they cut through if you play a small gig plugged into a PA? Thanks for sharing man.

[@65Drums]

Thanks! oh and yeah I think the metal cymbals would be noticeable in a smaller room

[@domijust4816]

Hm that's a bit of a bummer. But the looks are a big win.

[@thecros1076]

Bro u should review the vault ed 10mh electronic drum kit .......very chep and with all mesh drum heads .I didn't get a chance to play but it's an Indian company I guess please do review this drum kit

[@JonEricUruena]

That's a beautiful thing ❤️❤️❤️

[@gregwilliams2764]

I’ve been wanting to see this comparison. Especially the Field. ( as usual your dog is ignoring you) . So that was interesting. I live in an area where I can play loud too. I love the look of the Jobeky 20” ride that Mike Luke has. I don’t like the limited playing area though. The new 2019 Fields have a 360 area now. . I might go that route for crashes. I like the ease and sound of your vh10 though. But the ride would be a toss up..the 18 ATV because of size and 360 area, the Field new 20” for the same reason and price and lastly the CY 18 DR if I have the 50 package deal. I’ve seen $2850.00 on Reverb. See if they will send you their new 2019 models. Ask for a hat, ride and crash or two. They would probably do that for you. I’ve seen their new promotions vids and they are awful. I told them that too. I gave them some suggestions. Their new stuff looks great plus the price is lower that the others..not by much..but...thanks as usual for the video.

[@TheNathanMac]

Set that Decibel meter to DBc - it's a more accurate representation of what your ear is hearing :)

[@chassheppard]

That’s completely wrong, dB “A” rating is the rating that is most notionally similar to human hearing.

[@mikestein1024]

Lol me and Justin used to go back and fourth about this quite a bit lol to me the metal is the way to go and it's really not that much louder lol I mean they are just a little louder than rubber and they feel much better to play

[@ReignJeffersonCTria]

Hey Justin i'm just wondering you already said acoustic drums feel,sound,and look better and you said you're in a place where you won't disturb your neighbors why do you play electronic drums at that point?

[@brandonbarr7861]

3:17 puppy !

[@65Drums]

It's Zoe :)

[@brandonbarr7861]

She's so cute

[@alanduncan1980]

No is the answer to your question.

[@neftalicarreon540]

¿Hey where do you live? Great videos

[@michaelperry2446]

Great vid Justin!!! FYI, I moved so send me an email before u want to send back stuff( no rush) just letting u know, I am on the move!!!!!

[@d-tete4265]

Im the 8th person to comment in this video! Nice video!

[@pvampman]

Has anyone tried micing up a real hi-hat when using a electronic drum kit?

[@walkingdude87]

Ha! Dog cam is funny

[@tyken144]

Dank