Are New Outboards A Rich Man's Game?

[@fireboat54]

Newer used outboards are the way to go. Last year I bought a pair of well cared for 2012 Yamaha HPDI 200's with 600 hours on them for 10k with like new props, rigging and gauges. The HPDI 200 has been one of Yamaha's most reliable engines. A pair of new 200's would be 40-50k, a huge difference.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

For sure! Not to mention the F200's are an inline 4 and those HPDI's are a V-6, so there's more power you are getting out of those HPDI's compared to the inline 4's :) I love a 200 HPDI! Nice Snag on the engines!

[@maverickmisenko7234]

Love the videos for good info and keeping up with the industry. What are your thoughts on electric outboards like the Vision marine and Elco?

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Thank you! Vision's one of the first to actually get the larger HP outboards out and running and for a few years now with that 180. But Elco I don't know that much about. There are just so many different brands making smaller electric outboards now, even though it looks like they go up to a 50HP. That gets pretty tricky though the way they do the conversion rates on HP compared to Electric ratings :) lol but we'll talk about it!

[@BroadBillHunter]

i had a pair of yamaha f150s 2006 that ran great for me for about 2000 hours before they both basically had power head leaks and i didnt want to deal with fixing the seals. (somebody did and still runs them) I repowered during 2022 and paid about 40 grand for a pair of brand new fly by wire 200 suzukis and it was a total game changer all around.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Sorry to hear about the Yamahas but sweet on the new Suzuki's!

[@AW-yv9sq]

How is that a “game changer”?

[@BroadBillHunter]

@@AW-yv9sq i own a regulator 24 its one of the heaviest center consoles in its class i upgraded from 150s to 200s of course it was a "Game changer" one hundred extra horsepower pushes the boat on plane in half the time and makes a night and day difference, keeps the boat on plane at lower RPMS. The motors themselves get 2.2-2.4 mpg cruising at around 4200 rpms @36 knots whereas the yamahas made around 1.5... overall total better econ , acceleration is a huge different with the electronic fly by wire controls..single lever capabilities cleaner fuel burn...no oil leaks and many other benefits that come with repowering.

[@AW-yv9sq]

@@BroadBillHunter yeah I can see how that would be on that hull. I’ve been on a 23 that was underpowered. Was tough to keep on plane in some conditions. Thanks for the reply

[@robertmoody2221]

What a great video spot on

[@leewiles3075]

I topic that came up recently was electrolysis, sometimes seen on lower units. Perhaps on one of your podcasts, you could discuss why this happens and how to prevent it. Thanks, Lee Richmond, VA

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

That's a good topic! We'll put it on the list thank you!

[@captpepin]

In early 2019 a pair of Suzuki 300's installed with rigging and props was $36,000 now it's North of $50k.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Yeah, it grows by the day!

[@Glennster2011]

My 2016 Verado L6 350’s were almost $43k each at that time and then you have rigging.

[@fredluther3476]

Another great podcast 👍👍 What happened to the young guy that was helping you on the pod cast?

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

He just turned 21 and is figuring out what he wants to do lol

[@ardcost1]

Prices used to average $100 per 10hp but lately prices have skyrocketed.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Lol :( them days are gone!

[@Steve-Jody]

Everything is a Rich man’s world ! 🎶“If you ain’t got no money keep your broke ass home “🎶

[@Philbert_11]

Love the videos!! I have a question about a similar topic. Are there any of these “budget” brand boats that you think are actually putting out a good product?

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Thank you! That's a great topic! We'll add it to the list!

[@Philbert_11]

@@TheBoatersPodcast oh and before you say it……… you get what you pay for😆

[@slabbusterrtr7690]

I cant afford a new boat not even a tin rig but glass boats are long gone for me sad to cause i fish alot im in a 1990 glass boat with a 1886 motor the last 13 years been a good boat though wish i could upgrade maybe some day

[@jamesrichards8142]

What is your opinion of aftermarket tuning ECU flashes like Nizpro Yamaha? I have a F115 and would like a little better performance but do not want to sacrifice reliability.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Well, tuning kind of does sacrifice a little bit on reliability, and idk a ton about the Nizpro stuff for the littler engines like a 115, but that's a super reliable engine as it stands. Can you get any performance out of a prop change maybe? Also, what does the Nizpro do for the 115? Boost it up to like a 140 or somewhere around there. From what I have seen, most of the Nizpro stuff like that for the smaller stuff, doesn't really sacrifice anything on the reliable side of things, seeing that engine is just so reliable as a platform to begin with, and you aren't supercharging it and changing a ton of stuff :)

[@robbyhowell8668]

Part of the problem is marketing... we are made to feel like these boats, even modest size boats... HAVE to be going 50 mph at wot. just a few decades ago NOBODY would have even thought of a 600 horse power outboard. 25 foot boats were being pushed with 200 horse power outboards and nobody had 2 engines on a boat. A 20 foot boat with a 150 horse power is a lot of boat. We are wanting too much these days.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

That's true, I'm still fine with doing 40 lol though I will admit you get spoiled when you consistently go 60 MPH or so on the water lol

[@dannysdailys]

I have a friend who has a 36 ft. MTI Cat. It cost 2 million dollars and that darned thing with just two 450R's on it can go 130 mph on the water. Yes, he has the whole thing blue printed but still. That is insane. I had a 25 foot sport boat with a 350 small block in it and it would hit 44 mph. Much too much for a 25 foot boat unless the water was like glass with no wind. It was too heavy to fly at 4,000 lbs, but it flew anyway and that made it very dangerous. In my boat, the boat doesn't give; you do. The only rattle is you bouncing around. LOL @@TheBoatersPodcast​

[@paulkersey2179]

Great podcast,

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Thank you!

[@tag_76]

I know marine engines have additional components that vehicle engines do not, but a crate 6.4L Hemi producing 485HP is only $15K give or take. An outboard with the same HP ratings is 3X minimum. It is ridiculous to be honest!

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Yeah, it's getting unrealistic for the most of us! The dollar and income ratios aren't keeping up with the astronomical inflation we keep seeing either :(

[@Glennster2011]

It’s not just a crate motor. Be more fair to compare the hemi crate motor to a crate power head. But I see your point.

[@sopasadena1499]

Are 50 to 115 tohatsus considered as good as the major brands

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

I would say they are a super reliable engine, anything under 150HP they all have great track records

[@teachingrounds]

I want to repower a 1999 grady white 228 seafarer. It has an engine bracket. What would you repower it with? It’s a light boat - I think 3000 lbs minus the engine.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

I'd check the transom first as well as make sure the fuel tank is good. But if you've got the transom that is solid, I'd be looking at hopefully a 250 or 300. But a 225 might get the job done, I would not put a 200 on there unless it was a Merc V-6 though. Idk how heavy the boat is exactly but with that Cuddy Cabin, an inline 4 cylinder 200 would be hard on the engine and you would be struggling with the boat loaded, depending on how you use the boat.

[@erikdexter3100]

I let this guy named Carlos borrow my boat one weekend and he really knew what he was doing he added a bunch of new engines and didnt even ask me for any money …he did ask to borrow my boat again

[@AW-yv9sq]

Nice subtle racism

[@erikdexter3100]

You get gold star …wasnt that subtle but maybe you are slow @@AW-yv9sq

[@DustinKeating-yk3vq]

Im going to take good care of my 07 Yamaha 115 2 stroke so i don't ever have repower because ill never pay 70grand for a outboard motor

[@Turbotalkin]

Well a 115hp is only around 10k

[@jb243wp]

​@brettbeilke7851 Not much change out of 17k here in Australia for a 115, we've got some sort of ridiculous luxury tax on stuff like that, meanwhile our fuel is at ridiculous high price too.. Better of in a row boat

[@tishbrett]

@@jb243wp where you get one for $17k 115hp merc 12months ago was $21k a yammie about the same but 6month wait to get it

[@jb243wp]

@tishbrett Never mentioned anything about a mercury, but a local dealer in Queensland had 115 yammy's listed for 17k (AUD) last month. It might be more now.. Guess additional cost for fitting.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Lol well a F115 is only like 11K, but that 07 115 2 stroke is in the top tier of the best outboards Yamaha ever made!

[@Koobs_Garage]

I have a quote for a brand new Honda 350 at 39k fully rigged out. I have a second station so there’s that. But that Honda 350 is going to be 30k for just the engine.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Really! That's insane, I can't find anything near that number the only thing I've been able for find for the 350's are around 40-45K! Here's one from the Honda Canada site: marine.honda.ca/en/drive-by-wire/BF350 So if you are getting fully rigged for 39K with a second station, that seems to be a really good price, but I'm not actively contacting dealers to purchase one so that's about all I know as far as the price is concerned lol

[@Koobs_Garage]

@@TheBoatersPodcast I’m in eastern NC so maybe a price change there? For different market. But that’s the quote I got in my email.

[@Koobs_Garage]

@@TheBoatersPodcast my only concern is it’s a new engine. So I’m not sure if I want to jump head first into her just yet. Lol. I wanna see what bugs can be worked out of her. Even though Honda has been developing this thing for a while.

[@geraldkoth654]

The outboards I mess with are all over 50 years old and just run WOT all day long. If needed, bypass any Oil Injection system and it will be bulletproof. 4 strokes are horrible in every single way.

[@erikj.nuveenmddmd6557]

I have 4 X 600 hp Mercury engines and I am amazed there is no Garmin Autopilot integration. How is this not common knowledge?

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Yeah, the 600s are their own animal, seeing the steering pumps are built onto the engine and it's using a pod drive and a driveshaft. It's a pretty proprietary engine platform for Mercury :/ plus Garmin has a deal with Yamaha and Mercury uses Simrad, so there is that lol but the communications between Mercury and other electronic companies. This is a pretty good topic!

[@erikj.nuveenmddmd6557]

How could boat manufacturers consider combining Garmin with Mercury 600's without providing this information to the buyer? This really is a liability for the boat manufacturers.

[@AbbyNormalGarage]

Dad used to sell 90hp Nissan two strokes for $5500 installed in the late 90’s early 2000’s. I’ll keep my johnrude v4 and mercury L6. They sound better anyway. These new motors are over complicated, over priced, and made of so much plastic. The fuel savings only is significant at idle and lower mid range. I don’t have a need for anything over 200hp.

[@christianmgtow4744]

How bout the weight? No thanks

[@JoeKyser]

I will take a good old analog motor anyday over these new digital ones

[@dwayneroberts6616]

I'm not an engineer but I like to play one on the ininternet 😂. I can't stop thinking about a closed water cooling system for outboards. Im sure the industry could do it so there has to be reason why they didn't. If it's cost that's crazy to me. If it's a design thing I wonder what it is? Wouldn't a closed water cooling system save us from a lot of problems? Wouldn't it preserve the engine better? No salt water in the motor way less corrosion and better temperature control. I don't know maybe I'm crazy but to me if they want to revolutionize the outboard motor they need to look at upgrading the basic design. Everything is pretty much self contained on a outboard except for the cooling system and thats it's Achilles heal. The first to design and build a outboard engine just the way they are now but with a closed water cooling system would just dominate the market I'm convinced. "Come on man" if people are willing to spend $75,000 for a boat motor and buy like six of them for their off shore boats whats another $10,000 grand per motor for an engine that could easily last twice as longp👍

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Fact man!

[@bobbertee5945]

Yamaha's are way over priced, a 300 Suzuki is over 12k cheaper than a 300 Yamaha, and its not a better motor, matter of fact the Zuki has a better warranty

[@captlucky2320]

They are cheaply made that's why they need that warranty

[@bobbertee5945]

@@captlucky2320 Yeah ok, ive been around all the high HP makes of outboards, still run a 2004 140 Suzuki, Ive seen all of them have issues, where I am, Lng Island, NY, u see equal amounts of Suzuki and Yamaha's, and some Merc's here and there, nobody I know that runs a Yamaha can say they are any better....Even my shop, that fixes both makes and sells both, when asked before I bought a new 300, have said they are way over priced...for nothing better than 300 Suzuki....

[@captlucky2320]

@@bobbertee5945 I've been doing this for over 20 years and they all have issues but there is a reason why the susys are cheap and give you such a long warranty the yamys just don't break by far most reliable OB out there

[@axebeard7677]

BOATING ITSELF IS A RICH MANS GAME. TF

[@zeke5491]

No wonder boat theft is up

[@RobertAFarleyJr-jb9mk]

Outboards a rich mans game.The whole dang boat setup is a rich man game.wait till combustion outboards are banned and go electric.U think it a rich game now.For the majority,enjoy boating/fishing while u can still.Cause it will be back to the banks.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Sadface

[@captlucky2320]

The boat cost more than the truck these days got to pay to play

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

Yup

[@stevemyers2092]

heard you guys talking about running to the Lighthouse - must be talking Islamorada - my brother @ mm74 and nephews @ mm75 & mm88 40 years they have been there.

[@TheBoatersPodcast]

That's awesome! We were talking about the Marathon Lighthouse in this one, but both are great spots!