Are Reliced Guitars For Posers?

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[@TimberMoto]

That Ibanez looks like it should say "Sprite" across the front.

[@60CycleHumcast]

LOL! YES!

[@Kubooxooki]

Exactly! Here's a bunch of guys pontificating about how guitars should look. Meanwhile, one of them is holding one that should be kept in a freezer downstairs. Ah, humanity... 😀

[@spearson103]

except that would ruin a beautiful guitar

[@aeroshack]

Thank God it wasn't a relic..no wait

[@TimberMoto]

@@spearson103That's why I said "looks like it should". I may not like it, but to the right person it's beautiful. 👍

[@RJRonquillo]

Relic guitars are a mental thing for me. I don't worry about beating them up when i'm gigging or touring. With new guitars, especially ones that i've paid a lot of $$$ for, I get stressed about every little scratch.

[@powbobs]

Exactly.

[@phenom1186]

I can see that and I can dig that!

[@jackcash3362]

I was just about to say this myself. I have 2 reliced guitars (a strat and a tele). I bought them because even when I would buy a cheap, but nice looking guitar to be a beater I was still really, really careful with it. The relicing allows me to actually enjoy playing them in situations I would never play my nice guitars.

[@216trixie]

@@jackcash3362 I gig regularly. With beautiful, well kept guitars. Price doesn't matter. Take care of your shit. What are you doing, jumping on it?

[@jameshill2015]

I wonder if 60 years ago players bought a guitar and thought "this is too nice, I will find a beater to use on stage" and thats where the near mint 50s and 60s guitars come from that are valued at $30k plus.. If you buy something and dont use it, your a collector.. Id say play your nice guitars because someone 60 years from now is gonna dig the wear you put on it, its just a guitar.. No matter how nice it is.. Just an opinion.

[@zynosgd9982]

I don't pretend to have played for decades on my guitar, I just love the way it looks.

[@Callie_Cosmo]

Yknow, if you wanted a guitar that looked worn out, you could have just worn it out yourself, instead of presumably paying extra just to make it look like it’s worn out. Edit: you don’t even have to wear it out by playing it for a long time if you’re seriously that impatient, you can always take some sandpaper to the finish job and apply a bit of sealer afterwards it’s really not that hard

[@drittal]

Every guitar I own is for a poser

[@PhillipMcKnight]

I feel your pain. lol

[@60CycleHumcast]

same

[@peyotepete4903]

I couldn't have said it better! 🎸

[@trwsandford]

lol! You da man! I'll bet you shred.

[@drittal]

trwsandford i have been known to toss a letter or two into the paper shredder from time to time

[@patrickcrawford5532]

Ryan can pretend to be silly, but he makes the most cogent and level-headed argument I've ever heard for relic guitars. Well played.

[@nw8488]

I agree.

[@VashStarwind]

His argument is pretty baad tbh.. not everyone is a rock star that needs a guitar as a prop. The 16 y/o throwing his guitar in the dirt, is totally lame

[@paintitmatt]

Ryan's point about guitars being a performance prop resonated with me. I tend to look at relics like a pair of jeans. Some people by pre-worn jeans, some people buy pre-worn guitars. They want the thing already worn in. And about the "blues lawyer" who buys an expensive relic guitar to "hang on the wall" - yo just finished talking about how relicing is an art, then complain about people who but them to hang them on the wall (even said they should be imprisoned, WTF dude!?). But that's *exactly* what you do with many forms of art (paintings, photographs, etc...) - buy it, and hang it on the wall. I'm for hanging guitars on the wall as art. And paying for it supports the artist.

[@READERSENPAII]

that's different though. buying something "broken in" is way different than paying someone an extra 2000 dollars to take a belt sander to them. I do like relic guitars but I would never pay someone to do it. The only way I would do it to one of my own instruments is if I dropped it and chipped the body really bad or something. I would buy an old fender esquire thats just been played to the gates of hell and back. But I think its lame to buy a reissue vintage strat then spend another 2 grand for someone to fuck it up. but like I said, they do look cool, just not enough to pay that much.

[@andyhamlett8814]

Is a relic guitar actually worn in? It’s still a new guitar just with the paint sanded down... “artistically”

[@tiorimas]

@@READERSENPAII You've clearly stated you have no idea about how guitars are relic'd artificially. An old Fender Squier will never look half good if you try to relic it because the poly finish is almost plastic-y and won't crack and chip nicely like nitrocellulose lacquers do. Just try to relic a guitar and make it look like the guys at the Custom Shop do and you'll see it requires certain techniques and quite a few man-hours.

[@justaburgscousin]

My personal tastes tend to lean towards Rayan’s style. I love the early 60s surf rock and rockabilly style guitars. As far as relics go, my instrument is a big part of my inspiration. The history of a specific guitar, and the legends that played them inspires me to create. In short who cares if people think your guitar is ugly or stupid! It’s your guitar, get what inspires you!

[@baimun]

Just want to point out that the two that had the most negative comments about relic guitars are both wearing acid washed jeans.

[@padywac1970]

I thought this was pretty funny until I looked closer at all of there pants (not something I normally do), and I’m not seeing it. Acid washed has blotches, all of these guy’s pants just seem slightly aged.

[@FACTBOT_5000]

Posers! Lol

[@daveclelland1188]

None of them are acid-washed jeans....just different shades of blue.

[@rickc2102]

That's not acid wash. Were you even alive in the '80s?

[@Cam_B]

This was pretty close to being funny, but unfortunately, neither are wearing acid wash jeans. I'd probably say "Just want to point out that the two that had the most negative comments about relic guitars are both wearing dad jeans.

[@senspartech3533]

They just arent for me, but I cant be bothered to care if someone else likes them. If it inspires someone to play, for whatever reason, I think its great!

[@Hughami]

I’m not sure it is about posing. You like what you like. However, I’d never buy one. I want my guitar’s journey, not someone else’s and certainly not a faked one. Where is the fun in that?

[@Hughami]

Flatus Antiquitous yes, mate. It is weird. A bit like having cosmetic surgery to look like a celebrity! Have a lovely rest of your day. Cheers, René

[@bradlaue1718]

I'm having a custom Tele made and I've had to tell the builder four times I don't want any relicing. It's so pervasive a trend that a custom guy can't wrap his head around the fact that I want a new guitar. On the other hand, I own a few used guitars and I have no problem with an instrument having a few battle scars if I like it as an instrument. Not to over generalize, but I think it breaks down largely along generational lines as I find that most guys my age (old) are not big fans of fake ageing. (Maybe because we have too much up close and personal experience with the real thing).

[@Hughami]

Brad Laue, Hey Brad, a good point, mate. Weird about the builder wanting to age it for you, though. But, damn, I guess that makes me old too. 😳 I do wonder if these same people would walk into a Mercedes dealership, buy a hundred odd grand of car and say, ok, before delivery, I want you to smash it up so it looks like I’ve owned it for twenty years ... and, oh yeah ... make it seem like I’m a really crappy driver. 😉 Have a good one, Brad.

[@paulhudgins]

@@bradlaue1718 If it is an age thing, then one should consider that in the 80's Fender switched to all poly finishes and from that point on getting a guitar to wear in naturally over time has pretty much disappeared as the vast majority of guitars have poly finishes. I have guitars that are 30+ years old that have been played heavily and they pretty much look like new finishes except for some scratches. I have a relic guitar that is only 2 years old that has already worn in a lot more from my playing than when I got it(topcoat coming off) because it is simply a Nitro finish.

[@MusicTherapyLaz]

Some of those Friedman's look, sound and feel pretty killer though!

[@verigone2677]

Oddly enough, I would buy an old guitar that looked beat if it still played well, but no chance I would ever pay a premium for a custom shop to do that to a new guitar... I have seen some gorgeous relics that look like they really did travel the world, but no matter how well they are reliced a new guitar should look new

[@fjborg6978]

Yea, verily.

[@GuitarOverdrive]

It looks like everyone but Glen had a good time. Henning's mom was my personal highlight. 😊

[@60CycleHumcast]

Guitar Overdrive hennings mom is a badass

[@Logan912]

That's because Glenn is an ass at least if his KZbin channel is anything to go by.

[@cowhidemusic8904]

Best part about a reliced guitar. The first scratch or dent you get doesn't feel so bad!

[@qwertpoiuy430]

Cowhide Music there is a thing called bad looking relic tbh

[@hoboroadie]

For the most part I am uncomfortable with the pretend relic, but I am also very anxious with a new and shiny thing. I can play much better with something after its got a good dent or gouge, precious beauty doesn't suit me. It perhaps should at least be cheap and expendable, e.g. a shiny new Telecaster.

[@getpickin357]

Very true.

[@Alex-dr6or]

Ryan Miller it’s like with shoes, after awhile you’re not so concerned to dirty them and you start walking around like you own the place.

[@hotrodjones74]

I say just buy a used guitar for gigging then. They have some scratches already from use.

[@gregstenslokken848]

Here’s one. I bought a Road Worn Tele from Guitar Center that was substantially discounted because of a blemish. How do you blemish a Road Worn Guitar. Anyway it plays and sounds great and has moved to number 1 in my line up.

[@RococoAlmanegra]

I have to agree with Glenn, only because he is THE AUTHORITY in "lame" and "poser" so I'm sure he does know what he's talking about.

[@agufish]

Haha I’ve never understood why anti-relic people get so worked up about relic’d guitars. You don’t see relic fans get pissed off that this or that guitar isn’t relic’d. Live and let live, man

[@padywac1970]

Because they’re destroying something beautiful! It’s sick. To each his own, but I will always liken relicing, to a young beautiful lady trying to look old and used. It’s sick, and no one is changing my mind on this.

[@FACTBOT_5000]

@@padywac1970 its art, bro. Sometimes a rough aesthetic gets the job done better. To each their own. Why be so judgmental?

[@hawkinthewind]

@@FACTBOT_5000 it IS art, imitating Life

[@AdamonfireXMX]

Well said my dude. Big fan by the way.

[@Logan912]

@@padywac1970 It's a piece of wood with strings attached to make sound. That's it. Don't get so worked up because there's more than one way for it to look.

[@elbrauer]

There’s a blues guy in my area the wears his watch on his right hand over his shirt so he gets that relic faster than normal from his picking hand. I consider that a little bit of posing.

[@Jeffelangelo]

I think to an extent a guitar is a piece of art, and if you like the look of relic then I don't see a problem with it. I haven't seen anyone seriously try to pass it off like they beat the guitar up by playing so many shows.

[@fjborg6978]

I'm fine with worn guitars but fake worn guitars? You can keep the "art". I'm with Glen on this one.

[@RobertBakerGuitar]

There are tons of great points all in this. I admit on paper it totally looks weird to buy a new beat up guitar, but I say if it inspires someone to play then how can it be bad :) Now let the relic hate rain down on me!!!!

[@FACTBOT_5000]

You are exactly right. The haters seem to forget that this is art and the aesthetic is part of the inspiration and pleasure. It makes me question their artistic sensibilities.

[@I.am_Groot]

I do believe the word was poser. Someone who would not dare be seen with a 25 year old guitar worn from actual use, but instead prefers a 'relic' instrument because they are soo cool! I agree that it is art and appreciate the work that goes into them. To me what makes it a poser move is when the buyer believes that they are cool for owning the art, when it is really all about the artist and the piece itself.

[@FACTBOT_5000]

@@I.am_Groot your premise is flawed. No one prefers a relic over a old worn guitar. It's a more cost effective alternative. Anyone that has a relic would absolutely prefer the real thing. Where do you get this crazy idea? The art is the performance, and artists are commonly inspired by things like this, and it improves their performance. This has nothing to do with posing.

[@AdamonfireXMX]

no one nose well said.

[@I.am_Groot]

@@FACTBOT_5000 Watch more Robert Baker videos. He is the most popular poser I know of. There are plenty of players out there who pay more for a relic than the real thing. There are plenty of well broken in 70s and 80s guitars that can be had for a good price. If you are about tone and having a great playing guitar, there is no need to 'relic' a new one.

[@Chinaguitarsceptic]

Lol. Great Times, great video brother. Missing you and the hang my friend... Oh, and the bells of course! 😂

[@HC_GUITAR]

Hey Mike. What model is that lovely Ibanez you were holding?

[@chrisday4845]

@@HC_GUITAR www.ibanez.com/eu/products/detail/lhm1_1p_01.html

[@netenemy]

Someone’s wondering; how do I post an “old man screams at cloud” meme.

[@hawkinthewind]

Nice- don't forget 'while young(?) man tries so hard to be cool instead of practicing'.

[@peyotepete4903]

All my favorite guitar channels! And Glenn...

[@216trixie]

@@KaHabbful You suck

[@timothyallen3161]

I am not a relic fan. I would lake to say I am a fan of all these guys channels and I love all this Cross over we are getting with 42 gear street.

[@TropicalReflections]

Great round-table discussion! Interesting points made by all. :)

[@chrispys696]

great to see folks from the different channels working together. a real community

[@ColinStuart]

Having played with these tools, for over 50 years, none of them have been "relic'd" in any way. They were all played, but CARED for!

[@FACTBOT_5000]

That's not very "rock n roll". To each his own?

[@Logan912]

@@FACTBOT_5000 I thought rock n roll was a genre of music, not some weird idea about how it's cool to be negligent.

[@FACTBOT_5000]

@@Logan912 rock n roll is a genre of music, but it is also a concept. I was referring to the concept. Just like the blues, punk, grunge, country, etc.. There is a concept, and there is a musical genre based on that concept. Destruction, dirty, rough, broken, and even negligence are all very rock n roll terms. While these things aren't required, they have been a part of the attitude and expression of rock since its invention.

[@jeffdacey1255]

I believe in taking care of my instruments, not because I ever intend to sell any of them but I like to project the image that I take care of my stuff. I respect the established artists who continue to perform and appear with the same instruments we recognize they used much earlier in their careers and have acquired a bit of minor distress as a result of decades of constant use. Bruce Springsteen is a good example. Willie Nelson is an extreme example. What I resent is musicians playing instruments which are obviously faked to look like they were literally dragged across a continent without a case. Take Sting for example. Does anyone really believe that vintage Precision he plays actually got in that condition by the energy of him playing constantly? I do enjoy Sting but this element seems out of character. Overly distressed instruments give me the impression of being owned by the kind of hardcore punk musicians who truly care about nothing.

[@BollocksUtwat]

@@Logan912 Music is never just about music, not when its that popular. ITs always inclusive of image and ideas. Its like Punk music, and mod music before that wasn't _just_ about a style of musical composition. It was representative of and brought forward by a subculture with ideas and meaning beyond just the technical aspects of the music. You talk about reggae there's tons of aspects of that subculture that dip into religion. Plenty of music genres have been political as well.

[@straight2helll]

Vintage Stratocasters are almost always naturally reliced therefore we have come to accept those instruments as looking like that and we want one, but not everbody can afford 15k or more therefore the Relic was born.

[@dogpd3]

Hit the nail on the head

[@simplygreg17ify]

LOVE LOVE LOVE this type of video...just guitar guys with different levels of popularity of KZbin channels, just sitting & giving views of things & being fellow guitar nerds together. I absolutely love this Phil...

[@timmly1425]

It's less of an image thing for me, I just think *some* relic guitars look cool. Plus if I had one I wouldn't have to worry about it getting damaged

[@roymontero4066]

Ryan 60 cycle Hum won this arguement. He was calm, articulate, and respectful. Good job Ryan👍

[@xSupermanstightsx]

I love every single one of these guys! I primarily play PRS guitars. Paul literally designs his guitars "to feel like a comfortable worn in t-shirt". On top of that they are shiny and new! The worn in feel is still there, and they're pretty! I feel like the worn in look is mostly for aesthetics and just someone's taste honestly.

[@nickalovell]

Personally I like to buy worn in gigged guitars as long as the playability is still there. It’s nice to know your guitar has a story and you will be a part of its future story. Not only that but you can generally get them at a better price with legit honest wear that you have to pay extra for from a custom shop

[@DaveKnerler]

I have my own opinions about relicing, but this was an entertaining episode, with Ryan, Mike, and Glen. Nicely done Phillip. Good on you for having Henning's mom do a cameo too.

[@waitin4winter]

The problem with the “earn your stripes” sentiment is that most guitars today have poly finishes and are quite resistant to wear

[@kuga6566]

I once attempted to relic a poly finish. Total regret.

[@haytguugle8656]

That the finish is durable - THAT'S a problem? Sounds like an asset to me.

[@waitin4winter]

@@haytguugle8656 read it again. I said the problem is with the “earn your stripes” argument.

[@haytguugle8656]

@@waitin4winter I got that part. And then you went on to say how poly finishes are resistant to topical damage - (whether honest or fakery). That's the part that raised the question I proffered.

[@waitin4winter]

@@haytguugle8656 thanks for your contribution

[@geektoad4498]

3:55 in all i can say is Glenn makes this video unwatchable. he could be quiet for 10 seconds and let someone else finish a thought.

[@mwc6849]

That’s where I turned the video off as well... Phil is very professional which is why I enjoy his channel.

[@evilcowboy]

He is pretentious and a prick its easy to spot it.

[@Peasmouldia]

I've had to revue my opinion on the relic thing, 'cause if I'm agreeing with him, somethings wrong somewhere. As we say here in the UK, what a git!

[@TheMikecheck101]

I've seen a small handful of 60CM videos and this one made me like Ryan and wanna check out more. Valid arguments for stage props and non-player decorations. Nicely done.

[@a1b1bcsologuy]

Great show Phill!!

[@RC32Smiths01]

I suppose it all comes down to preference. I don't mind or have a problem with anyone owning a Relic guitar, it's not for everyone. Would love to see one in person one day

[@Grandpa.Dan8881]

I buy guitars for several reasons: I love the the way they look, I like the way they sound, I like the way they feel & as an investment. I am 72 and don't plan to be around forever, so not being a super star, I think a relicked guitar by me has no special value to anyone but me. That being said. I try to take great pride in owning guitars that are worth more then I paid for them and look/play good...

[@ThomasBrandoGreenman]

Great discussion - would love to see more of this type of video.

[@calebsguitarcorner4934]

I was wondering would you upgrade my guitar if I pay for the shipping v

[@BradColemanisHere]

Loved this discussion with this crew. Great points. I think if I ever got a relic'd guitar it'd have to be one that could have actually happened. The weird wear points are not cool.

[@ToxicxEternity]

I love the idea of the guitar feeling pre-played-in. But cosmetically, they're not for me. But I compare it to buying clothes and I personally like to buy jackets and jeans that have little scuffs on them sometimes so whatever floats your boat!

[@henrystuart7736]

That looks like a lot of fun!

[@notplaying2379]

The DIY relics on my local Facebook guitar sales group are hilarious

[@jeffhebert9643]

I don't care about " the look" of the relics . ...it's the feel of a relic that I love , plus the finish on guitars nowadays will NEVER break in unless you get nitro finishes .

[@rickc2102]

My worn-in satin finished neck feels great, like a very worn-in gloss would.

[@adddrian100]

I think it is simple as this. Just as people like normal, proper finished guitars, people also like relics. Its the matter of taste and the way you like it to look like. I dont even think about "has he earned that relicing or is it fake?" People like it the way it looks not by the factor if somebody earned it?..if I want to beat my new lambo or spray my new clothes cuz I thinks it looks dope. I'll do it.

[@DanishingAct]

That was a classic mom moment at the end. Great video.

[@JustPlayingBass]

I bought a Nate Mendel bass which is lightly reliced. The reason was, I own a valuable bass that I wanted to keep pristine and that effected my performance, trying to protect said bass. Using the already reliced bass, I no longer have to worry about damage during practice or performance. I hope this makes sense.

[@Twizzlemenizzle1]

I'm about to buy a fender custom shop 64 strat. It is lightly aged and it has been designed and built by a professional guitar builder to look that way. I want a real 60's strat but I don't have £30k to buy one so I'm buying one that's been built to look like one, its brand new and it'll more than likely play, sound and feel better than the original for a tenth of the price.

[@tdunster2011]

What is it you like about L series strats most ? Is it having to remove the neck to adjust the truss rod or replacing the small vintage frets every two years ? An AVRI + a set of Fralins will cost you a lot less and meet your expectations as far as playability, sound and looks go.

[@Twizzlemenizzle1]

@@tdunster2011 why do guitar collectors collect guitars? I have a reissue 62 strat already, it's nice and sounds good. It's just an American standard though. I can afford custom shop so I want a new one with a nice roasted flame neck and other custom shop appointments. I like the aged faded colour scheme. I'm not a professional musician, just a bedroom poser but it's what I want so I'll buy it and play it.

[@caseylee12]

Maybe part of it is that we LOVE those old guitars, but we don't have $50, 000

[@chazjr2390]

While I love old, beat up Stratocasters, Telecasters and Les Pauls and ultimately would love to own one of each, I refuse to pay those prices. Just don't have it. But I'll pay a couple thousand for a custom shop replica from the company that made them in the first place. Everyone who knows me knows I don't beat up my guitars (I still have my first 'real' guitar from 1980 and it looks almost as new as the day I got it - and I play a lot), it's just not my style.

[@Wolf_K]

casey lee I love women but a blow up doll isn’t gonna cut it.

[@hawkinthewind]

@@Wolf_K laughed so hard at this...

[@roamershaker]

i ran out of paint so i will rellick my Bass . posser;.. where do i get the uniforms you guys r wearing ???

[@jac5344]

Great perspective all around.

[@craigparse1439]

I agree with all of these statements: Ryan: Guitars are props as well as instruments. Glenn: Paying someone to scratch up your guitar is stupid! Phillip: Most factory relics look staged. Mike: A well broken-in guitar feels better to play. Unless I'm in a punk band, I want my favorite guitar to play well and still look new enough to show that I take good care of them.

[@angus2016young]

This is why I love Ryan from 60 Cycle Hum! Thanks for including him Mr. McKnight!

[@60CycleHumcast]

;-)

[@GeorgeVazquez]

Ryan deserves kudos for not telling that bitter angry twat to fuck off with his elitist attitude.

[@daddyrich2982]

I've been playing now for a year now, I have 2 new guitars and a excellent used condition PRS. I wanted a Fender Strat but didn't want to spend the $650+ for a new one so I purchased a 93' Fender Strat MIM, not a relic but a guitar that was in good condition and USED. Upon playing it I could feel that it had been worn in, it felt great, smooth, worn, but on overly worn. I love it!

[@stevemorse108]

Just bought a nocaster 51 heavy relic with a Seth Lover neck pickup and it sounds terrific and feels very comfortable as an authentic 51 télé I once played. When I play out people think my guitar looks beat up and kind of rough and in this sense it is the opposite of being posey. I play blues funk and rock and I feel my instrument fits these styles very well and I don’t have to worry about banging it up.

[@kolider2315]

I am lucky to own a fender custom shop tele that has some relicing. I like the way it looks, but would have bought it NOS if it still played and sounded like it does. It’s all about vibe and how much you like the instrument, rather than what cosmetics it has. So long as you love it, it’s the guitar for you.

[@schreds8882]

Woo hoo! Cheers to Henning's mom. ❤️

[@nw8488]

What did you think about the relic look on the Slick brand guitars by GFS, Phil?

[@BenBaldwin]

I've really struggled with the relic thing. I bought an Ibanez ASV10A-TCL, and felt pretty silly about the relicing, but just loved the guitar's feel and sound, and overall look. I really love Nash strats, too, and I realize that they're basically just a bunch of nice parts thrown together with a relic job, and can't quite reconcile paying for something to have a beat up look. But at the same time, the guitars play and sound great with stuff like Lollar pickups, and have a vibe that a brand new strat just doesn't have.

[@ShawnTubbs]

I've got guitars that are relic'd and guitars that aren't. They're all cool.

[@paulcasilio1119]

I’m torn. I honestly love the relicing and I even love it as art in and of itself. Meanwhile, I bought my PRS CE 24 Bolt-on in 1994 that got its first ding...not scratch, ding three years later that I almost could never get over, and now that it is 2019 it still bugs me. ...meanwhile I have a road worn Tele that I almost hope gets bashed every so often. ...oh well, first world problems. Oh, and I love every damn one of you guys and HP, as well...am I allowed to say “I love you” on the internet?

[@way2sh0rt07grad]

The most surprising aspect of this discussion is the fact that all 4 of them are holding a guitar and none of them tinker with them. I don’t know about you guys but I can’t hold a guitar without annoying the crap out of someone trying to talk to me lol

[@dustylense]

having a relic is wonderful. you never fear a dent, scratch, mishap. I took a bottle opener to my Suhr relic one night after a few beers. The next day I couldn't tell where I did the damage.

[@JGAbstract]

It's like taking your skateboard and grinding it, by hand, on curbs, to make it look like a pro's skateboard that's been worn in by his hours of real use and talent.

[@superstimulatedminotaur3681]

Bingo, perfect example. Like guitars, skateboards look cool and have decorative features. But at the end of the day they're both tools,. You understand and appreciate once they have a bit of wear on them but why go through the money and trouble of speeding up the process?

[@DoodlesGaming]

I agree with 60 cycle hum, they are performance props. Now personally, I don't like the really extreme relics, like the one he's holding. But I like the things like the Fender Journeyman guitar (I think that's what they're called) where they're very slightly relic'd and then you just make it your own. But it's also why I like nitro over poly, Because I like a guitar to wear rather than always brand new. I know you can wear poly but the average player like us never will

[@lord_Errykson]

I like both types relic non relic. I see it as a color option. Some people want a solid,matte, or swirl type paint job other people want a relic guitar. At the end of the day it’s just a guitar doesn’t matter what it looks like it. What matters is the tone.

[@alanstein9713]

Is it possible when a finish presents a flaw ,, the builder covers it up by making it aged ? Then ups the $

[@tjspurgin1155]

What's the difference if it's beat up at the factory or beat up by some schmuck and sold to a pawn shop

[@CurrieNerd]

One is priced for another musician to buy. One is priced for someone with a fist full of too much money.

[@Fusso]

You don't pay extra for the fucked up guitar in the pawn shop

[@globalnova]

@@Fusso lol yes you do. pawn rip-off shops.

[@tjspurgin1155]

@@CurrieNerd roadworns are not expensive I bought my 60s strat on sale for $600 a couple years ago. Liked it so much I had to get a tele to go with it. I prefer them because of the 7.25 radius and worn lacquer necks more so than being relics.

[@TheChristafershawn]

Earn your relic.

[@Claimjumper55]

I didn't really get the relic'd thing until I got a smokin' deal on a Friedman Vintage T. It feels so comfortable and, unlike most of my other guitars, I don't stress about putting a ding in it.

[@c3920]

Its way more fun to put the work and time in playing your instrument and whatever scratches or fading happen along the way are more meaningful. I've never bought a relic guitar but I have bought many second hand with scratches and dents, not paying extra for that.

[@guitarded5198]

Fricker seems like he’d be a lot of fun at parties.

[@SombraPiloto]

I’ve owned 2 Nash guitars (still have one) and they both played/play great. Couldn’t care less about the look. I also couldn’t care less what anyone thinks about my choice and if what someone else plays bothers you that much I’d politely suggest finding an additional hobby to occupy your time.

[@contemplatinghistory]

So if I smash up a piano, will that make it worth more or less?

[@mr.richiej6546]

I will have to say you guys were very interesting to listen to .Maybe you should try a few more with these dudes ha ha ha keep up the good work

[@ampedwales]

I specifically ordered my custom build from a luthier with a relic finish. I had a few reasons. Firstly I wanted a thinner finish so the wood could resonate more. Secondly it was a guitar that never got made in the 50s, and I wanted it to look like it was a prototype that was lost in time Thirdly, I knew the guitar was going to be awesome, and if it didn't already have wear and tear I'd be afraid to play it! The result was a super cool fantasy time capsule guitar that I happily play without worry.

[@jefb3705]

I have guitars that are easily 30 years old, that have tons of play time, that look great. Maybe a bit of surface scratching that could be buffed out most likely. I picked up a guitar that looked like someone dropped it though, and it had some odd looking damage. I took some sandpaper to it to even the spot out, and it looks better that way. I would never have done that if it wasn't already damaged though.

[@Steven_SK]

Jef Bartelt I like stuff as new looking as possible except natural aging which I also try to fend off.... just me and what I like.

[@oneeyedlittleman]

Are your guitars poly? It's nearly impossible to keep a 30 year old guitar looking new

[@jefb3705]

@@oneeyedlittleman I have like 40 guitars, so there is a mix of finishes. Obviously not all of them are that old, but some are. Some of the pickguards discolor over time, but the paint jobs and finishes are all fine. I don't really have any of the colors that noticeably discolor or anything either.

[@bobbyu878]

Jef Bartelt I had the same experience. Got a good deal on a dinged American strat at Guitar Center that looked “damaged”. I decided to relic it and now it looks well loved as opposed to damaged.

[@oneeyedlittleman]

@@jefb3705 I have 19, ranging from 40-1 years old. After about 10 years most nitro guitars start visibly age. Gibson's tend to have issues with their logos showing past tooling marks, and the finishes start fading especially red because it's less uv stable. My CA red fenders are all poly and are virtually identical whether 1 year old or 25, and only have very minor wear even though that 25 year old strat has easily more than a thousand hours on it

[@hadleymanmusic]

Hey this was an awesome video. I could work well with all you guys.

[@C3PO300]

Bought a used Roadworn strat 5 years ago. Didn’t really have an opinion on the relic thing. Just liked the way it felt and sounded (previous owner put some awesome Fralins in it), ...and the price was right. That thing became my go to gigging guitar. It sounds stupid, but it was also kind of nice not having to worry about it getting dinged up in whatever bar we were playing in.

[@roscoepcoltrane23]

Who cares what anybody else thinks if you like it that’s all that matters. I don’t own a relic guitar all my scratches and dings came from me or my bass player who has a habit of banging into them.

[@trushack]

At this stage of my guitar-playing life, I'm perfectly happy with a guitar that feels great and sounds good and I don't care if a bunch of guitar nerds on the internet (in other words, other people just like me! :D) think I'm a poser because a guitar I happen to dig and be inspired by is a relic. And I don't even own any relics.

[@amusicvideoblair]

good discussion. U guys are a HOOT! near the end when things got really crazy, LOL.

[@GGRetroRally]

I have a 1996 USA strat which was purchased new in 1996. I've gigged it, rehearsed with it for years and years. There are a couple of minor belt buckle marks on the back, but other than that it looks brand new.

[@theharvardyard2356]

I like the way they look but I'd never be able to afford one. So for now I'll just pretend I'm too cool for them.

[@simontemplar3359]

I don't know...i will say I hate the word poseur. It's judgemental. I've been playing for almost 30 years myself and like you said about squier vs fender, I just like what I like. My collection does have a few instruments that I relic'ed, but I have to say that the finish that goes on most, you could be playing for 1000 years and survive a nuclear war or 2 and those finishes will still be shiny and bullet proof. The best guitar is the one that you want to play every day full stop. The rest, pro, con, whatever, that's nobody else's damn business.

[@kh884488]

Amen! Squiers are fine -- as long as you upgrade the tuners.

[@gringogreen4719]

I find it funny how "Poseur" gear becomes the real deal or cool a few years later. Then again I've noticed Hall & Oats records going for $10 when they used to be $1 records. Personally I can't make heads or tails out of this other then new players coming up who don't have or don't care about someone else's previous baggage.

[@gringogreen4719]

@@kh884488 Actually I have a stock Standard Telecaster from Squire that has a new Orange Drop capacitor on it. So original tuners, nut, and pickups. It sounds and plays fine. I just upcycled a Standard PJ configured P Bass with Duncan Designed pickups from another (newer) Squire bass with a new hi mass Fender bridge. Sounds amazing...still has original nut and tuners. Granted the hardware isn't the best but it either works or it does not. Now I have an Epiphone Special with two P90s...what I did with my luthier was a new bone nut. It still has the cheapo tuners. They work. That guitar sounds and plays great. Most players who bitch about tuners, I've noticed the vast majority of them do crappy jobs of putting on strings. No shit you sound off with three wraps on a skinny E string. Take the time to wrap strings correctly (down to where the post flairs out before going into the headstock) and behold, many tuning issues are resolved by string grip and downward pressure from behind the nut. 😎👍🎸

[@simontemplar3359]

@@gringogreen4719 that's awesome! I love Squiers. They're a solid base to upgrade from. Or on their own, they're great. Especially the Teles. I have an affinity HH (the orange one) and a surf green bullet. Great guitars in their own right, but I added surf 90s (Gretsch like) to one, and Fender deluxe drive pickups in the other. Damn I love Teles

[@teemusid]

I tried some new USA strats with the intention of buying one that day. The used MIM with a scar on top of the body, played and sounded better.

[@MetalHeadHippie]

Good stuff Phil.

[@guitarsampsandcoffee]

When you buy an expensive relic guitar you won't have to worry about denting it, which allows you to play the shajt out of it and not hang it up on the wall to look at it.

[@shanereid1675]

"Ryan gets bullied for 14 minutes"

[@PhillipMcKnight]

We let him pick the first pastry to make it up.

[@60CycleHumcast]

@@PhillipMcKnight it was worth it.

[@shanereid1675]

@@60CycleHumcast You guys are so nice

[@Jimmy87268]

I have to say, when buying an expensive guitar it helps me to actually go out and use it as intended when it is a relic. I am not so worried about scratching it.

[@lonestarenglund7394]

It's a character thing, a guitar is a piece of wood and an old weathered piece of wood tells a thousand stories.

[@mangusmusic604]

Personally would never buy a relic guitar. I like shiny new toys.

[@mangusmusic604]

@@dasdaro you know what, I'm gonna give your damn comment a like. I guess I am getting there. But I had a bone marrow transplant exactly 121 days ago and am happy to just be here.

[@suspence25]

so i think my personal preference now is that i like the Relic looking ones, but if i didn't do it, I actually wouldn't buy one...

[@county365]

I have a reliced guitar, in fact it is what Phil mentioned a Road Worn (Tele). I enjoy it greatly. My other guitar has a nitro finish & though I don’t treat it like a queen, I don’t abuse it either. So it’s got some buckle rash & a couple chips in the body. I guess my point is get what you like & don’t let anyone else’s opinion determine what you get. If the appearance of your guitar inspires you to pick it up & play, whether it be playing well or just a hobbyist (like me) then the guitar has done what we all hope our guitars do..... inspire you to make some music.

[@hadleymanmusic]

Buckle rash is in the center right

[@wesleyalan9179]

I agree with Phil that it is an art form. I would never buy one though...they do look cool,but I just wouldn't feel right knowing its faked to look that way

[@MK-oz2lf]

so it's an art form about being fake? Do painters relic their frames? No. Ryan used a lot of weak false equivalencies.

[@GSOF_Reagan]

Buying a relic guitar is the same as buying jeans with pre made holes in them. Some people just like that stuff...

[@randyhopkins1263]

Yep, holes in my 501"s are real.is the rash on my 70"s Les Pauls. Earn it!

[@charliethegent]

Hey Phil this was great as usual but just wanted to say keep it up on the weight loss. Not only is your waist size down but your chest and shoulders looks so much firmer since you started. Inspiring stuff!

[@markham4041]

I've been a hard rock lead player for 52 years. Around 1990 I had a kid ask me, at the Guitar Center on Elliot in Tempe, how I got my guitar to look that way? I said, "Play the crap out of it for 30 years, then it looks like this when you're done." He walked away dejected. On my way out I looked above the front doors and they had, "An official Clapton Strat used for years!" It was beat (reliced to death) and they were asking $12,000. LOL