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@christopherbarnes1358
@christopherbarnes1358 4 ай бұрын
Nothing I love more than scion content. tactics, load outs, battle reports, review, maybe one day some lore love it all.
@brookpederson738
@brookpederson738 4 ай бұрын
Mordian! love the vids but personally i would love to go back to seeing the datacards and info on units instead of space marine gameplay in the background. Easier to follow imo
@mikenesci8555
@mikenesci8555 4 ай бұрын
I second this comment
@jayplanet8929
@jayplanet8929 4 ай бұрын
Agree
@janehrahan5116
@janehrahan5116 4 ай бұрын
At the very least they should be up when talking about the units stats
@pistoneteo
@pistoneteo 4 ай бұрын
Agreed
@RobbieSykes
@RobbieSykes 4 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@jacobstrong9888
@jacobstrong9888 4 ай бұрын
Greetings Mordian Commander, Its Tempestor Strong back for another commentary. I believe the Volley Gun is being underrated. However, this depends on the use-case. If you recall in lesson 74-Section 17 subsection b: Entrenched positions where deployed Scions are stationary and performing First Rank, Fire! Second Rank, Fire! The Volleygun is highly effective and is able to wound even the toughest of vehicles ateast 17% of the time. With 5 shots at half range that is a practical statistical garuntee that the volleygun will reach out and wound. This stationary and entrenched position also benefits plasma and lasrifle scions accompanying the volleygun operators. [The born soldiers rule can be abused well by scions due to innate AP curting through cover, volleyguns play into this] This makes the case that squads should either lean into melta OR volleyguns where melta teams are assaulting enemy positions while volleygun operating teams provide long-range support. All squads are equipped with plasma and lasrifles. Also, remeber having the extra daka makes scions more able to fire the plasma teams at mkre elite targets while the lasweaponry targets enemy infantry which DO axt as a threat to our human forms. --End of Vox Transmission--
@jacobstrong9888
@jacobstrong9888 4 ай бұрын
Also, please note: Hitting on 6s for automatic wounds is augmented by rr-1s and full rerolls on objectives. Each hit that is not lethal also gets another chance to wound on 6s minimum. That means that against tanks, each shot loosed from lasweapons fired from entrenched positions wound closer to 30% of the time and full rerolls makes this even better.
@CatharsisChaser
@CatharsisChaser 4 ай бұрын
Just to be clear first rank fire is a strictly better order on every infantry squad variant with a plasma gun in it, this is exponentially more true if you are taking advantage of born soldiers If you're skeptical run the math on every target you're likely going to be shooting against (geq, meq, teq, gravis, etc etc) and you'll see that getting 100-50% more shots on almost all your weapons is better than hitting 16.6% better with less shots 40k.ghostlords is a super quick way for mathhammer if you're interested the only exception to this is if you're an infantry squad with a lascannon/grenade launcher loadout or a melta gun model taking pot shots against vehicle equivalents
@DJCallidus
@DJCallidus 4 ай бұрын
💯. It also maximises the Plasma shots so make any Hazardous losses more worth the supercharge.
@commanderkei9537
@commanderkei9537 4 ай бұрын
Why not do both lmao. I’m dropping in Commissar Gaunt alongside my Scions whenever they’re going to target something not on an objective, so they can get FRFSRF and Take Aim
@CatharsisChaser
@CatharsisChaser 4 ай бұрын
@@commanderkei9537 that is certainly a combo but it changes nothing about what I said lmao it's pretty strong but requires you to 1. give up a plasma pistol 2. utilize 290 points worth of models for a bunch of anti infantry shots at the end of the day Kasrkin+creed can so something similar but with 3 orders ( still needs an faq but most TO's rule it this way) and you can even RAW duplicate frfsrf twice with take aim so you get insane levels of firepower out of one unit for 155
@dominicl5862
@dominicl5862 4 ай бұрын
@@CatharsisChaser That is very troll actually wait what's stopping them from double FRFSRF all the time then. Getting double shots vs getting 16%increased hit chance, ya im glad you're spreading this info.
@CatharsisChaser
@CatharsisChaser 4 ай бұрын
@@dominicl5862 this isn't trolling... this is one of the reasons why kasrkin are being played right now. They are the ultimate utility unit that can double up on any order to fit the situation you're in like moving 12, oc3, double frfsrf, etc etc almost every single TO I've played under and talked to has ruled it this way since that's how it's explicitly written. There's nothing in the voice of command rule about duplicate orders, just that they get overwritten (except for special circumstances like kasrkin/creed)
@akodotain
@akodotain 4 ай бұрын
I think what limits scions comes in two parts. They are often overkill for what you put them into (a Russ could split fire into a second target thanks to its long range); and after they destroy something, they have to yomp around to get to a second target worth shooting at. I think their strength is where they follow up into a hole blasted by the artillery and put some very uncomfortable firepower there. This adds yet another headache for your opponent to potentially miscalculate. tldr: take 1 if basilisking, take more if lulz?
@ryansoto7093
@ryansoto7093 4 ай бұрын
I’m 3 -0 competitively as well with my Scion Led Guard army after dataslate they are absolute monsters my boy!
@xen3534
@xen3534 4 ай бұрын
Thanks to you, my Inquisition Micro-Exterminatus Strike Team takes form 🤩
@warmachine5835
@warmachine5835 3 ай бұрын
This is good news for me. For a long time before I could get into the hobby, I liked the flavor of the Elysians. With them out of print and GW making no airs about supporting them in the future (Codex Regiment copium?) Scions looked like the next best thing to scratch the itch for those of us wanting to play 'the best humanity has to offer.'
@chriswalls6275
@chriswalls6275 4 ай бұрын
I run a Scions army and with the new update, the army runs so much better. The fact that you get back Voice of Command, you are able to do more Alpha strikes and back to how they were meant to be played.
@gilesparkes2922
@gilesparkes2922 4 ай бұрын
Great video, glad they finally 'fixed' the orders, Keep up the good work tested the tactics to tournaments. BTW. Noticed some occasional tiny drops in the audio eg. 27:30 (might be a sync isssue?)
@matthewjames2846
@matthewjames2846 4 ай бұрын
I've been noticing this too, not only on videos but also live streams. I think it is more likely a microphone pickup issue.
@christopherbarnes1358
@christopherbarnes1358 4 ай бұрын
I think the master vox in the scion squad isn't a bad idea because you can deep strike and use expert bombardier strategem in the back field on units behind cover especially if all you have is fobs and no basilisk or mantacore like myself
@SteelStorm33
@SteelStorm33 4 ай бұрын
you have 4 slots in your command squad, 3 go to melta/plasma/grenade launcher, the 4th is medic, because why not. you can switch one of these out for the master vox, or trade a regular trooper for one with a standard vox caster. when not actually using the master vox, i would go for the one in the squad to get the strategem running.
@christopherbarnes1358
@christopherbarnes1358 4 ай бұрын
@@SteelStorm33 yea that's true sucks the vox can't get a hell gun, like scholar priginium standards have dropped and now that is too much weight for the stormtroopers
@Traven158
@Traven158 4 ай бұрын
Been waiting on the upcoming Solar Auxilia line as I wanted to try out a (mostly) Scion army.
@SteelStorm33
@SteelStorm33 4 ай бұрын
nice idea
@mateuszsotys3912
@mateuszsotys3912 4 ай бұрын
I wish the scion model had some sort of a more neutral pose with the plasma gun. I love my scions, they look great, but it's kinda weird for every single one of the plasma gunners to carry a plasma gun aimed at the sky. I wonder why they didn't sculpt them to simply be aiming their plasma at the enemy
@oblivionfan345Tony
@oblivionfan345Tony 4 ай бұрын
Agreed, gotta kitbash if you want them actually aiming their gun 😒
@cesarsotillo784
@cesarsotillo784 4 ай бұрын
I wish I had Mordian's dice. My plamas are lucky if the kill a handfull of marines.
@janehrahan5116
@janehrahan5116 4 ай бұрын
Statistically you should make 12~ hits. Vs regular marines that's ~8 wounds, ~5 kills.
@pabloalonsolasagabaster658
@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 4 ай бұрын
I went to a kill team tournament with scions , I came second to last (neither me nor scions are good at kill team). I had an epic moment though, the flag bearer recovering an objective while killing a dire avenger.
@spaz9541
@spaz9541 4 ай бұрын
Hey Mordian, could you make a series on your strategies to defeating other factions( what to prioritize in the shooting phase) and also how to bounce back against a (semi) successful alpha strike, maybe even how to turn a game around on like round three. Just some ideas
@nklinef
@nklinef 4 ай бұрын
To take thus combo to 11; transport 2 x 15 man Scion squads in Crassus so they can alpha strike with sustained hits AND extra rapid fire AND reroll hits AND reroll wounds. The Crassus has 35 man transport capacity, so it's also possible to have all sorts of combinations for similar devastating effect if you think pure rerolling Scions is over kill. For example: 15 man Scion squad + 6 man Ogryn Squad + Straken + Sly Marbo. For a devastating ranged barrage followed by a devastating charge to completely clear a corner of the board
@sean2549
@sean2549 20 күн бұрын
You could take drill commander and rapid ingress them to gain lethal and sustained on 5s but you would need to position so your taking minimum clap back from the enemies shooting phase. Pretty situational but potentially devastating.
@stevenmcgrath5114
@stevenmcgrath5114 4 ай бұрын
Sounds like these Scions will do well in my Helsreach crusade along side my Steel Legion and The Knights of Dorn my Black Templars ! ! !
@blecao
@blecao 4 ай бұрын
I think its interesting to say the lest a brick of scions even in normal guard is after all 190 points per brick same cost as a DK brick with marshall wich means that you can easily try them by switching one of that bricks out
@mikeg8564
@mikeg8564 4 ай бұрын
I've had great success of using volley guns, 1 dedicated unit for hard countering weak chaff. with 1rf2rf it's just so punishing vs T3.
@Jaybirderino
@Jaybirderino 4 ай бұрын
A brutal amount of firepower for sure! I'll keep my eyes on them, but my mixed guard army probably doesn't benefit a ton from them at the moment? Might just pick up some scions to be sure.
@longhunter5935
@longhunter5935 4 ай бұрын
The middle ground (center objectives) are a job for DoK. Change my mind.
@alessiogiuffrida6172
@alessiogiuffrida6172 4 ай бұрын
Back in 8th you could plasmagun a knight to death with the Tempestus scions order (reroll to wound against monsters and vehicles). Now in 10th with the dataslate imho they are slightly better but they won't shine better then before. Apart from that i have a request for you MG: can you do a video explaining the different Guard styles of play between normal Gw's matched play and WTG including the different interactions with line of sight systems?
@oblivionfan345Tony
@oblivionfan345Tony 4 ай бұрын
Personally i hope scions get some love when our codex drops. I'd like some melee glory boys and maybe some light tanks or unique sentinel
@dudebromanguy
@dudebromanguy 4 ай бұрын
bring back the elysian drop sentnel reflavored as a scion sentinel. maybe they could rock two twin hot shot volleyguns or two twin meltaguns. not quite heavy weapons, but a step up from just special weapons.
@lordravenblade
@lordravenblade 4 ай бұрын
Interesting. I’ve been sitting on 10-ish metal kasrkin and 3 scion squads don’t even use all the plasma/melta guns I have. Could be an interesting try.
@Beefcake4001
@Beefcake4001 4 ай бұрын
Any chance you could post up the Scion heavy list you were referring to?
@stewartfrancis9188
@stewartfrancis9188 4 ай бұрын
Mordian, what about a command rod? Is the extra pistol shot better than both FRFSF + Take Aim?
@garethevans9850
@garethevans9850 4 ай бұрын
Do you think there could also be an arguement for being able to order the squad with take cover if you had to rapid ingress them, as you have technically, "set them up on the battlefield" cheesy but may work if you had to do it in a pinch
@thelearningcurve0t1
@thelearningcurve0t1 3 ай бұрын
Any number of Tempestus Scions can each have their hot-shot lasgun replaced with one of the following:* 1 flamer 1 grenade launcher 1 hot-shot volley gun 1 meltagun 1 plasma gun question, so if i can find 5 plasma bits, i can have them all equipted with plasma?
@SteelStorm33
@SteelStorm33 4 ай бұрын
i like my triple volley, triple plasma gun blob with extra grenade launcher, because we need no banner where we going. but everything that dies to volley guns, dies to everything. on scions range isnt a issue, so i see meltas as the choice aswell.
@janehrahan5116
@janehrahan5116 4 ай бұрын
Ask for mathhammer and you shall receive mathhammer. With sustained hits and full re-rolls and a 3+ bs, scions have an average shots landed rate of 1.111(repeating) so they hit 11% more shots than they take. with 11 plasma shots that means they average 12.2 plasma hits 3 melta guns are 3.3333 average melta hits. ect. A little note on the volley gun, it does average 5.55555 hits. This isn't nothing, id highly consider it over the standard given the higher strength.
@getalife805
@getalife805 4 ай бұрын
I bet a 5 man drop squad with a flamer can clear a back obj easily.
@Rich_Cardboard
@Rich_Cardboard 4 ай бұрын
I’m a newish player and this is the list I built can someone check and edit it to make it better? Astra Militarum list (1995 Points) Astra Militarum Combined Regiment Strike Force (2000 Points) CHARACTERS Cadian Command Squad (65 Points) • 1x Cadian Commander • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman • 1x Plasma gun 1x Plasma pistol • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Master Vox • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Lasgun 1x Master Vox • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Medi-pack • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Lasgun 1x Medi-pack • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Regimental Standard • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma gun Cadian Command Squad (65 Points) • 1x Cadian Commander • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman • 1x Plasma gun 1x Plasma pistol • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Master Vox • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Lasgun 1x Master Vox • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Medi-pack • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Lasgun 1x Medi-pack • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Regimental Standard • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma gun Cadian Command Squad (65 Points) • 1x Cadian Commander • 1x Plasma pistol 1x Power fist • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman • 1x Plasma gun 1x Plasma pistol • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Master Vox • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Lasgun 1x Master Vox • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Medi-pack • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Lasgun 1x Medi-pack • 1x Cadian Veteran Guardsman with Regimental Standard • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Plasma gun Lord Solar Leontus (125 Points) • Warlord • 1x Conquest 1x Konstantin’s hooves 1x Sol’s Righteous Gaze BATTLELINE Cadian Shock Troops (120 Points) • 2x Shock Trooper Sergeant • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Drum-fed autogun • 18x Shock Trooper • 18x Close combat weapon 14x Lasgun 2x Meltagun 2x Plasma gun 2x Vox-caster Cadian Shock Troops (120 Points) • 2x Shock Trooper Sergeant • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Drum-fed autogun • 18x Shock Trooper • 18x Close combat weapon 14x Lasgun 2x Meltagun 2x Plasma gun 2x Vox-caster Cadian Shock Troops (120 Points) • 2x Shock Trooper Sergeant • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Drum-fed autogun • 18x Shock Trooper • 18x Close combat weapon 14x Lasgun 2x Meltagun 2x Plasma gun 2x Vox-caster OTHER DATASHEETS Baneblade (480 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Baneblade cannon 1x Co-axial autocannon 1x Demolisher cannon 1x Heavy stubber 2x Lascannon 2x Lascannon 1x Twin heavy bolter 2x Twin heavy bolter 2x Twin heavy bolter Basilisk (135 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Earthshaker cannon 1x Heavy bolter 1x Hunter-killer missile Field Ordnance Battery (120 Points) • 2x Ordnance Team • 2x Battery close combat weapons 2x Bombast field gun 2x Lasgun 2x Laspistol Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Co-axial autocannon 1x Heavy stubber 2x Meltagun 2x Multi-melta 1x Oppressor cannon 1x Pulveriser cannon Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Co-axial autocannon 1x Heavy stubber 2x Meltagun 2x Multi-melta 1x Oppressor cannon 1x Pulveriser cannon Scout Sentinels (60 Points) • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Heavy flamer 1x Hunter-killer missile 1x Sentinel chainsaw
@dudebromanguy
@dudebromanguy 4 ай бұрын
honestly this seems really decent! baneblade is not the strongest variant, i would suggest a stormlord (to transport your troops) or a banehammer for serious anti-tank. this list will struggle against heavy infantry like terminators. i LOVE the models, but i would consider dropping your field ordnance battery and your basilisk for more scout sentinels, some scions, and gaunts ghosts.
@DeathsOrigin
@DeathsOrigin 4 ай бұрын
My time is now
@Podman75
@Podman75 4 ай бұрын
@Mordian Glory I see what you mean by being able to take the regimental standard and medic on the same unit but I can't seem to have the GW app say that it's okay. If I take three special weapons and I only have one lasgun left and I checked the box for regimental standard it gives me the green checkmark. However if I then select the medic then it gives me an error even if I delete the lasgun down to zero and have all three box checked for medic. So does this meaning it's not officially allowed since this is the official app or does it mean that they need to be notified and fix it on there end because the app is wrong?
@FredrickDouglass69
@FredrickDouglass69 4 ай бұрын
The app is the bee all end all of legality. You can’t have medipack and flag on one guy.
@FredrickDouglass69
@FredrickDouglass69 4 ай бұрын
It even specifies that his hellgun cannot be replaced.
@TheMartianrebel
@TheMartianrebel 4 ай бұрын
​@FredrickDouglass69 But the thing is there's 2 options for the medic, one of which allows him to keep his lasgun and effectively not replace it. The app has never been 100% accurate, it could very well be a quirk of the app not letting pick both options at once.
@Podman75
@Podman75 4 ай бұрын
@@TheMartianrebel I submitted this to the app with screenshots and they confirmed that while what Mordian says is true they don't think it was intended. So they said they were passing it to the FAQ team before adjusting it in the app and said to watch for an FAQ on it
@TheMartianrebel
@TheMartianrebel 3 ай бұрын
@Podman75 Ah. Well it looks like my flag medic is just gonna be a medic now. At least the flag that was attached to his back wont make him fall backwards anymore
@Benis6687
@Benis6687 4 ай бұрын
If you put a master vox command squad in chimera does the chimera now have a 24 inch command range?
@oblivionfan345Tony
@oblivionfan345Tony 4 ай бұрын
No, the mobile command vehicle ability is specific to the Chimeras and specifies only 12in
@DJCallidus
@DJCallidus 4 ай бұрын
I normally run 35 as an elite block. *SNAP* One 15 man with 3 Plasma, 3 Volley, Banner, Medic. *CRACKLE* 10 man with Plasma and Melta. *POP* 10 man with Melta and Granade Launcher. Not really super competitive. I dont like all my squads to be copies of each other. Thanks for the breakdown. 💀
@davidthomas2870
@davidthomas2870 4 ай бұрын
Such a shame the ogrin bodyguard's ripper gun has sustained hits 1 instead of rapid fire like the regular ogrin's ripper gun. If it had rapid fire so it could benefit from FRFSRF, thatd make it really strong added into a scion command squad. Its already basically a heavy bolter...
@ballsmcgee7783
@ballsmcgee7783 4 ай бұрын
Honestly the main issue with Pure Scions is....there isn't enough leaders! You can only take 3 Command squads, so a big chunk of your Scions(assuming you want to take a full 6 squads) won't have order support.
@zachsilby4569
@zachsilby4569 4 ай бұрын
You can run other officers, but yeah, they should add more scions leaders or alter the rules to allow proper order support if scions are battle line.
@ballsmcgee7783
@ballsmcgee7783 4 ай бұрын
@@zachsilby4569 the other officers can't join them so are either sitting ducks, or you pay a chunk of points to give them their own unit who now won't get an order. Hopefully with the Dex maybe they will re-separate the Prime and the Command squad.
@CatharsisChaser
@CatharsisChaser 4 ай бұрын
@@ballsmcgee7783 gaunt's ghost is 2 officer equivalents btw ;)
@chrisstevens2944
@chrisstevens2944 4 ай бұрын
1 problem, Militarum tempestus command squad doesn't have Voice of command rule 😢 still hasn't been fixed
@garethevans9850
@garethevans9850 4 ай бұрын
It does I thought, they have the astra militarum faction keyword meaning that officers have the voice of command ability?
@theStamax
@theStamax 4 ай бұрын
The average for 11 Plasma Shots from Scions shooting with full rerolls (so if the target is on an objective) and sustained hits IS 12.22 hits. You just got very lucky if you consistently got 15 hits. Similarly there is practically no way that Scions (with a command, FRFSRF, 3 plasma, 3 melta, 1 hotshot) took down a Norn. Their average damage against something like a Norn is only 4.3. So again ... even if they "only" did 10 damage (and IIRC they didn't kill it on their own) that's obscenely lucky. That being said, FRFSRF is basically always better than Take Aim for Scions, even if the enemy isn't on an objective (mathematically speaking). There are some niche cases where Take Aim pulls ahead if you only reroll 1s, but it really comes down to what you are shooting at and the defensive buffs it may have (and this is very rare). On another note: Most people fish for 6s on hit rolls when they really shouldn't (aka rerolling hits that already hit, but didn't crit hit). For sustained hits, the only time it's usually worth it is if you are hitting on 2s and got sustained 2 or better. Or hit on 2s and have sustained 1 on 5+. That's it. Because then your average hit roll gets you 7/6 hits (so it's even worth rerolling rolls that already hit). Even if you have sustained 1 and crit on 5+, but you only hit on 3+ (looking at space marines), it's not worth fishing. On average you get the same number of hits back, so it's just gambling if you reroll hits that already hit. There is an exception to this when it comes to Lethal Hits and you only wound on 6s (and hit on 3+). In that case you wanna fish for 6s, since you get more damage that way. Lastly you may wanna fish for 6s on wound rolls if you got dev wounds (or another rule triggering on critical wounds) if you have really poor AP and the enemy has a very good save. There is a bit more nuance to this though.
@FredrickDouglass69
@FredrickDouglass69 4 ай бұрын
Nope. You can’t have the medipack and flag on one guy. The official GW app flags it as illegal. It’s very simple, it has an asterisk saying the lasgun cannot be replaced, thus you can’t replace it for the 2nd piece of equipment.
@TheSkylaura
@TheSkylaura 4 ай бұрын
Can we get a link to the video about Carrying a Flag and Medi-Pack on one guy?
@FredrickDouglass69
@FredrickDouglass69 4 ай бұрын
You can’t. The GW app says it’s illegal. It also specifies the lasgun can’t be replaced
@TheSkylaura
@TheSkylaura 4 ай бұрын
@@FredrickDouglass69 Thats what I thought too but MG was on about something.
@emilrnlev8555
@emilrnlev8555 4 ай бұрын
Just a heads up, the audio from your voice seems to cut out a bit throughout the video. Maybe your mic sensitivity is too low, or KZbin is conspiring with the Eldar and T'au players to sabotage your tactics vids🤔 In any case it might be worth looking into
@BloodBuffalo
@BloodBuffalo 4 ай бұрын
Scions were never not great
@keyne444
@keyne444 4 ай бұрын
Sah, you said that once about Leontus too. 🤔
@CatharsisChaser
@CatharsisChaser 4 ай бұрын
Solar is quite literally an auto include in every single competitive list except for exactly 1 super scion heavy one... so yes auto including solar is the most obvious take in the entire game unless you want to deliberately handicap yourself
@janehrahan5116
@janehrahan5116 4 ай бұрын
@@CatharsisChaser Pure infantry can viably replace him with creed, its about the 70 points versus 1 cp a turn, its honestly close.
@CatharsisChaser
@CatharsisChaser 4 ай бұрын
@@janehrahan5116 pure infantry is bordering on good and is certainly fun but it's far from what makes guard competitive right now (cheep durable midboard chaff backed up by blistering direct fire and supplemental indirect, with a few utility units to score tricky secondaries) due to this pure infantry hasn't put up any real results and also gets super hard countered by anything with the blast keyword also solar brings way more than just 1 guaranteed cp for that extra 70 points redeploy alone is a gamechanger but extra+universal orders, massively more tanky, twice as fast, and custodes level melee stats are easily worth it in a fun infantry wave list though creed is probably better like you mentioned since you're trying to eek out as many bodies as possible, and in combined lists creed is a very viable second-third include next to the ghosts
@janehrahan5116
@janehrahan5116 4 ай бұрын
I generally agree. I'm a bit busy so I couldn't go into full detail. I will also admit I'm mainly a custodes player. Guard I just like on the side.
@jacket2848
@jacket2848 4 ай бұрын
​@@janehrahan5116 how many pure infantry lists have even placed at tournaments in the past 6 months? I'd imagine its around 0
@joelwashere5382
@joelwashere5382 4 ай бұрын
Obligatory Comment 🫡
@edwardbarach2263
@edwardbarach2263 4 ай бұрын
O7
@pistoneteo
@pistoneteo 4 ай бұрын
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@hidalgo334
@hidalgo334 4 ай бұрын
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@Millipede666
@Millipede666 4 ай бұрын
Sustained Hits 1 is mathematically identical to having +1 to hit.
@FunkBastid
@FunkBastid 4 ай бұрын
So a unit of cadians sitting still, with take aim ordered on them would effectively have +2 to hit? That’s a nice way to get around the max +1/-1 rule.
@janehrahan5116
@janehrahan5116 4 ай бұрын
@@FunkBastid Lethal hits are not mathematically identical to having +1 to hit unless weapon strength equals toughness, if strength is higher its less, if strength is lower its worth more. Sustained hits are allways equal to +1 bs on the first roll. However op is slightly wrong, sustained hits benefits more from full re-rolls than +1 bs does. Example. 2+ to hit full re-roll is .97 hits per hit, while the scions with 3+ to hit sustained 1 full re rolls average 1.11 hits per hit.
@CatharsisChaser
@CatharsisChaser 4 ай бұрын
with regards to the average increase it is nearly identical but sustained allows you to spike higher so sustained hits 1 and +1 to hit are by definition not "mathematically identical"
@Millipede666
@Millipede666 4 ай бұрын
@@janehrahan5116 I wasnt wrong ! Sustained hits = +1 to hit full stop. That is all i claimed and it is correct.
@janehrahan5116
@janehrahan5116 4 ай бұрын
You're wrong. And I litterally proved it mathematically.
@aliteraldude7658
@aliteraldude7658 4 ай бұрын
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@plupp14
@plupp14 4 ай бұрын
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@theshamurai32
@theshamurai32 4 ай бұрын
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