Are The GOROSEI Really TOP 5 Or... Are They Bums? W/

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[@romedebaine]

We can't talk about Saturn's power until he throws a punch

[@doms5755]

Bros not even top 30 with the regen.

[@MidTeirHuman]

@@doms5755you think zoro or sanji could solo Saturn?

[@doms5755]

@@MidTeirHuman without the regen?

[@xdrago1051]

@@doms5755 That's part of his skillset so with regen. If Zoro cant take him down then that means Saturn is stronger than Zoro which puts Saturn in the top 30. Realistically, it all depends on how the weakness of his regen works. If its something extremely hard to counteract, Saturn is easily top 10, probably around #5. If not, then hes like top 20.

[@CmurphL25]

*lands

[@animexsundays]

Man my mic sucks my fault 🤣🙏🏾😭

[@ThatOnePieceTalk]

It’ll be iigh bro! We gotta link again.

[@BoonBezos]

U still pretty ma

[@cjcj4861]

​@@ThatOnePieceTalkit seems to me that you don't understand that law beats Obito mihawk beat Itachi let's be real and Blackbeard beats Sasuke it seems to me you're not a one piece fan no more you should change yourself to the Naruto talk that's what it seemed like to me

[@cjcj4861]

​@@ThatOnePieceTalkand I got caught up with the One Piece manga and rewatching the anime dressrosa Arc that's what I'm at and wano enel Beats Kakashi Rodger beat hashirama king Beats tobirama I don't understand how you get so biased at this point I kind of agree with everything Larry said

[@charlesredd9619]

Buddy was talking in 140p😅😂😂😂😂 but it's OK solid takes😂

[@SSSuperMugiwara]

R.I.P Akira goat Toriyama man 🥲🥲🥲

[@vivi_75]

Too Soon...

[@mizzizzippimack111]

MANE I CRIED 😢😢😢

[@D0p3of09]

Goresei are about to perform docking combination! SH’s Foreshadowed this on thriller bark ! 😂

[@CaseyOwens-e1u]

Man, off all ridiculous theories ever I hope this one is real

[@crimsonfire6932]

It's obvious that we can't adequately scale the Gorosei yet. Right now I think it's fair to say Gorosei are below Yonko level but above admiral level, "Gorosei level", if you will. Saturn has proven so far that he is basically impervious to basically all forms of damage including some relatively advanced forms of damage. The Yonko were similar but different in this regard. Rather than regeneration, kaido, big mom, whitebeard, and even blackbeard, heavily rely on high durability to deal with their opponents. But Kaido, Big mom, Whitebeard and blackbeard all also have really good offense. This is what Saturn has this far failed to demonstrate that keeps him from scaling to Yonko level.

[@Monkey_D_Hershko]

RIP Akira Toriyama

[@suneelj93]

Why did it take 1 week for news outlets to report this? Was I out of the loop?? He died in March 1 but all the reporting came out March 8 from what I saw 😢

[@Monkey_D_Hershko]

​@suneelj93 the family wants to keep it private

[@mahirsharma7789]

Saturn have taken so many hits but isn't damaged but he haven't hit Luffy once too

[@email7919]

He hit luffy with the eye attack

[@mahirsharma7789]

@@email7919 I don't think that damaged him

[@email7919]

@@mahirsharma7789 we saw him bleed

[@mahirsharma7789]

@@email7919 was that Enough ?

[@email7919]

@@mahirsharma7789 Its more damage than luffy did to saturn

[@yvadcapalot8149]

Them Buu talks got me feeling emotional now . R.I.P Toriyama the goat 🐐

[@bitviper3430]

Honestly Saturn and the 5 Elders are doing something new outside of devil fruits. Demons and hell are an established thing in OP as there was a cult that was trying to summon something out of hell but brook popped up instead

[@deadkirby2270]

Live reaction clips are peak 💪🏽💪🏽

[@dphantom1314]

Finally, yall started making edits of the lives

[@kingflamedezun3469]

This aged well "Warcury conquerers haki"

[@turnwaiter]

I feel like there's a crazy power source for devil fruits that we don't know about yet and the gorosei fruits are fueled by something like human suffering or life force.

[@doms5755]

Wouldn’t that just be big mom’s fruit.

[@nogladney]

there is zero evidence for that idea

[@turnwaiter]

if im right ill come back and gloat but if im wrong ill shamefully delete, this is free advice on how to never be caught slippin

[@stonebro8941]

Mark my words they are not df users

[@godxzilla9649]

akira toriyama the OG of anime😢

[@czar17_28]

Also assuming Im is based off the Yokai Umi Bozu, and Saturns resembles an Ushi Oni, it’s quite possible they are utilizing some ancient eldritch magic/power/technology. It really seems something completely seperate from every other concept in One Piece with the teleportation of magic circles and infinite energy regeneration

[@colbycompton5670]

I think that Saturn is still sitting on the ship, and the summoning symbol just allows them to create some sort of clone that they can control. The clone may not be any weaker than Saturn, but the only real way to permanently kill it is by destroying the summoning symbol

[@OnePieceGee]

I think we're also forgetting that everyone is trying to escape and Luffy has no obligation to just take out the gorosei or hear the message. He's just holding them off so everyone escapes and he'll dip with them

[@nicksibrava9785]

Yall need tekking in here he’s known as the one live encyclopedia for a reason cuz he live and breathed one piece and usually gets closest to predicting what Oda will do

[@RickyBobby-k4y]

You know that Saturn is the smart one of the crew not the muscle.

[@deathstro9763]

This is what I think I think he’s either #5 or #4 I bet the single strongest gorosei is a monster

[@powerscallingfiend]

He has scar on his face so someone attack couldn't be regenerates from .

[@doms5755]

Joy boy lol

[@sethsherr2793]

Couod have got that scar before he ate the fruit we dont know

[@meekdolla4883]

they have a 10 minute time limit but also luffys g5 has one too we can't forget that

[@GBK100TTD]

The Gorosei been alive since the void century I believe so I think the got to have the best haki or at least fought it and they have a way to beat it or get around it you don’t stay alive for 800 years just by hiding it’s definitely something up with them

[@mogulb1326]

They are fighting the God that forced them to get together in the first place. The sheer fact that they're fighting Nika again is everything.

[@snowball5360]

To me it doesnt look like regeneration, it looks more either erasing the damage or reversing time

[@noname-wq9up]

i find the ability to summon people whilst being a zoan devil fruit user is something weird because when you look at kuma law and augur(blackbeard sniper) they all posses the ability to teleport people because their devil fruits allow them to but in saturn case he is a mythical zoan devil fruit user which allows him to transfer into mythical creature and use the abilities of that creature.. i personally think after watching many movies or tv series or animes about witches and rituals that they're linked together somehow because in order to do a ritual you need certain things to occur before doing a ritual and one of these things maybe being linked together by blood

[@mystic5583]

Yea who knows if they are actual fruits. They can talk telepathically without using their “fruits” too.

[@supaalfo]

Idek who titled this but I just wanna thank Larry for such a beautiful title😂😂🙌🏽

[@ItachiUchiha_1724]

They are bums wall lvl bums 5 wall lvl bums equal a yonko??? Hell nah He is not even kuma lvl Maybe 5 of them is kuma lvl So 5 kuma's are stronger than a yonko😂 All they are is gimmick fighters Nah full power Kuma kills all 5 lorosei Commanders could kill all of them 100% The ladmirals have sentomaru lvl (said so by lizaru himself his haki is equal to Sentomaru😂)

[@Naldinho456]

Larry cooked here

[@ShonenShowdown]

Ayy momma I made it haha!! Top 5 them boys until further notice!!

[@Dat_Boii_Cash]

Hey I'm curious about Streusen from the big mom pirates. He's the head chef but his sword skills saved whole cake.

[@MelonMuncher-wl5ui]

Not gonna lie Larry’s jaw line this vid is crazy

[@sethsherr2793]

They’ve been consistently been regenerating Larry so they don’t have stamina issues

[@hushsilence8932]

Nah bro, we've seen Conqueror's Haki leaking from the Gorosei with black lightning and the _" zzzt"_ or _"bzzzt"_ that's associated with Conqueror's Coating. Then you have Zoro, Luffy, Jinbei, Lucci and Sanji reacting to how potent the Haki is. There's no way we're at the point where we're saying the Gorosei don't have advanced Haki 😂.

[@DAVAND23]

You can't say the Gorosei aren't top 5 when right now. Luffy is struggling against Saturn and can't do anything to damage him. They're clearly a serious problem and I don't think the strawhats are ready for them right now.

[@peterkerr938]

So I think the healing abilities the gorosei have are related to the slaves, I think they siphon the vitality of anyone they have captured

[@THECARTHAGEEMPIRE]

they are so careless because they know they can't get hurt like logia's before haki

[@m141cage2]

They get haki when together ?

[@daleatsoverton9542]

i think we should definitely expect all of them to have some type of Ultimate move that’s just common sense . Animex definitely wasn’t even listening to what bro was saying

[@Seriousbizness]

We still haven’t seen Commander in Chief Kong

[@deathsinsanity7054]

What I want to see more than anything is If you Guys think any of the first commanders could have replaced Kid/Law and took down big Mom. If so which two!

[@anthonyflowe5969]

I think the summoning has something to do with conquerors haki. We know that conquerors haki is shown by black lightning

[@muza092]

Fights last for days in OP and this dude gave a 10 minute time limit 😂😂😂

[@fatidilo8941]

I don't know but why I'm I having this feeling that there's another whole power form than Haki or something like haki but probably for def?

[@Campas25]

saturn regen is the same as marco, no one could damage the guy intil garp came and punch the guy , and that was 1 of the only 2 injuries he need it to bandage later

[@OnePieceGee]

The god's knights will be taken care of by the revs. We will see what they can do in the god valley flashback and it'll be used to raise dragon's game. The straw hats will go up against Imu and the goresei later. It's like sabaody they'll escape to learn how to take them down at a later date

[@sage5830]

Luffy needed Acoc To take down Kaido due to How Durable of a Character he was… not Specifically Due to the Narrative of “Haki Surpasses all” Honestly If Kaido could somewhat Nullify Luffys Hax on Himself and the environment around him through Haki I think he would have -but no attempt of such was made

[@tokenman12]

The gorosei are most definitely stronger than every villian we’ve seen so far. Do y’all not know how anime works? The later a character reveals all that they can do, the stronger said character is. It’s an iron rule of anime and manga. Luffy creating pizzas was cool and all but it did absolutely nothing to saturn. Y’all act like Saturn said “avengers assemble” cause he got merked….. no that’s not what happened. He called them to stop vegapunk…. That’s it.

[@jzinferno34]

My prediction is this is a Strawhat L in terms of being defeated in combat. We had foreshadowing with Kid and Law

[@alleconti]

Saturn still hasn hit a punch 😂

[@ZoeyBally-fh1oz]

Look I know that this is a one piece channel but Akrai toriyama the creator of dbz and dbs has sadly passed away from a disease I just want to hear your thoughts about it and what his work meant to you

[@Barbcatchfishings]

I think that the Goresei are all one being. That is why they can talk telepathically and summon one another. And individually, they probably aren't even top 10. But I think they will be able to fuse together and use each one's special abilities together. And the Goresei fused form will be top 5 if not top 3

[@deathitself6985]

Saturn is looking demonic as hell this man just regenerates from damage blows people's heads up with a look and sat Sanji down. Man got turned into a pancake and suddenly came back like a flying saucer like wtf

[@TheKakarikoCucco]

Luffy isnt grabbing a W because of circumstances, something funky is happening here with these summoning and regenerative properties, just like Luffy with Kaido first match-up, luffy wasnt expecting such a durable opponent so whos to say there isnt something else happening. im betting Saturn is still on that ship, projecting his Haki or something weird, i flat out refuse to believe all 5 gorosei are about to just spawn in.

[@grantisshananaa4906]

Could the Goresei be satellites for Emu like VegaPunk had?

[@enockmartey9520]

Don't forget luffy can talk telepathic with others In wano he with momonsuke and law crew mates

[@cashwestby7404]

What about the fact that we haven’t seen the full potential of gear 5 fam. Cmon be real. He hasn’t taken any real damage just as Saturn hasn’t taken any real damage

[@TheGr8SageSama]

4:20 Due to Gear 5 Luffy do not have a strongest attack any more, because of unlimited possibilities of Luffy’s awakening growth and abilities. We know Luffy has a set moves, but now we have no idea what he can do since Luffy has shown the ability to grow and come up with new move in a fight, while also using his opponent attack and concepts against them. So in conclusion, I don’t believe Monkey D. Luffy has a strongest attack anymore.

[@starletentertainment5183]

Sugar a non haki user turned haki users into toys. There are some broken aspects of OP. If not a shanks with a seastone sword will dominate the verse. Or a zoro with a seastone sword will dominate. Or imagine a kizaru or enel, cesar, or swamp guy (guys with broken DFs) with sea stone weapons will dominate the verse. It's just plot that's saving Luffy

[@Huntley94]

I don't get why gorosai is showing up don't they have knights that are supposed to be shanks level why aren't they sending them

[@fouadhaydar6952]

I feel like they can all summon the rest of their gang

[@czar17_28]

The problem with the Gorosei/Majin Buu parallel is Buu was putting the absolute BEATS on the Z Warriors. Legitimately manhandling them every time AND finding ways to increase his power and overcome them. Saturn has literally only managed to stab an old man.

[@TuNguyen-hm4fq]

There is no way we end on “we need another time skip” 💀

[@ALXVARGVS]

i feel like the gorosei are going to split up on egghead and try to cover ground to pack up everyone and stop the message

[@tarikhmalik2708]

Saturn is powerful. He may have a level of haki we haven't heard of oolr experienced yet. Something like all advanced hakis combined being used at the same time.

[@powerscallingfiend]

Luffy has already done that in wano

[@ronnyshama]

after watching ya'll preech about haki is the end all be all, and beats devil fruits; i have now developed a theory. blackbeard or imu might cut out luffy's stomach eat it to gain the power of nika the sungod and chopper has to patch up luffy to fight them with only haki on quite literally an empty stomach. whenever we see luffy struggle he eats some food digests quickly and regain his strength, we know you gain someone's devil fruit power by some form of cannibalism as proved by big mom and whitebeard's body proves you don't need to eat all of em just some sort of organ of there's. if luffy has to fight with no stomach and drained of his powers it will be his most difficult fight ever and be very consistent with the theme of will and perseverence

[@MayMoment_]

Why would eating luffys stomach give Blackbeard his abilities? And that'd just straight up kill Luffy lmao, there's no "patching up" having an organ ripped out of you...

[@kstrick4114]

Some gorosei are probably current top10. I doubt Saturn is. But the guy with the sword most likely pretty strong.

[@Shaqzpsp]

The only reason they said look away cause if they did they would have to kill them

[@cashwestby7404]

I really y don’t like all the speculations . How about we focus on ODA’S work???

[@trapshadowltf]

I think that only of the Gorsei members are top 5 the dude with a sword(forogr his name)but as far as Saturn calking the gorsei i think its a mix of 1 him not having time and 2 the threat is way to huge when we say"Saturn cant handle luffy in 10 min hes not him"i disagree i think we genuinely forget how broken luffy is he turned saturn into a PIZZA!Also the only way i see luffy winning is his father or the giant robot which might be a counter(i think its dragons df)Since Katarina is gonna do the infiltration part from a theory i had about dragom i still think Dragon will ne the ome to end a Gorsei life and a father son duo doing that is the biggest middle finger to the world gov,Celestials and Imu

[@KingKP96]

There's absolutely no way we can put any of the Gorosei in top 5 as of right now. Saturn hasn't shown anything comparable to Shanks, Kaido, or Big Mom. Luffy has been holding him off easily along with Kizaru. So there's a tiny amount of wiggle room for them to slide into that top 5 spot. I for sure don't think that Saturn is weak though. Anyone that can box with Gear 5 Luffy for an extended amount of time is a top 30 character for sure. His biggest strength seems to be his near/complete immortality and durability. He's coming back from attacks that are laying out an admiral like it's nothing.

[@SilentiumCivis]

Uhh, God Knights anybody?

[@deathitself6985]

Idgaf the fact that dude got turned into a pancake and thrown with Kizaru then we see Kizaru being done and suddenly Saturn comes back like a flying saucer WTF 😂😂

[@617Lou]

This is the end stretch of the series, do we still expect Luffy to be getting cooked? I think this situation is more of a highlight of how strong luffy is now instead of how weak the gorosei are

[@greywarden5513]

0:55 Don’t know the best of Saturn?! What he holding back for??! Why wouldn’t have be going ham, he wouldn’t be in this situation if he was really him😅

[@deathitself6985]

The fact that Luffy can't seem to damage him because he regenerates is wild tho. Dude got turned into a pancake flattened came back like a flying saucer. Then the Gorosei talking telepathically him summoning the rest. His weird gaze that blew a marines head up and affected Sanji. Is Luffy supposed to pummel him faster than he can regenerate? because I don't see Oda starting to introduce some new ability that allows them to negate the goroseis abilities Also with what we have seen so far he is definitely enough of a threat where if the 5 of them are relative it's going to be a major issue

[@godxzilla9649]

We lost a legends dbz fan

[@UnrealGemini]

Man real power scalers need to read one piece because y’all arguing the dude that called for backup is top 5

[@lilcartwheel1144]

Hear me out The gorosei are all connected by imu and can’t be hurt unless you hurt imu kinda like pain

[@CalebWilliams-yt3ju]

One thing I think may be the problem is that when luffy uses gear fifth his haki is actually nerfed. If willpower is the root of haki and zoans have a will of their own, do you think it may lead to a conflict that makes it harder to use haki or use haki less effectively?

[@czar17_28]

No Oda is simply not going to have Luffy ACOC slugfest with every fighter. No every attack characters use is Haki filled especially not DF users.

[@CalebWilliams-yt3ju]

@@czar17_28 and I could see that definitely I just think they’re should be some explanation because I don’t mind seeing Luffy not go all out but so far vegapunk is most likely gone and his crew is in danger I think he would at least give his all now

[@CalebWilliams-yt3ju]

@@czar17_28 but really all I’m wondering is if luffy is even capable of using haki and gear fifth at the same time or if he’s just choosing not too

[@myst2761]

@@CalebWilliams-yt3ju? He’s been using haki with G5 all the time.. even with conquerors coating against kaido.

[@CalebWilliams-yt3ju]

@@myst2761 yeah I worded that wrong that’s my bad I meant use haki to the extent that he was cause I do remember the panel where he used coating all I’m saying is gear fifth might limit how much he can use in a fight

[@seankusi1227]

The truth of the world will be revealed.....

[@Archonus]

Blackbeard would slap the gorosei. That's why Shanks had to snitch on him.

[@Skrilly785]

I think the five elders sacrificed there haki for immortality

[@downd.stairs3527]

These guys taking the whole "my punches did nothing" out of context. This happened literally at the begining of the arc with the seraphim.. so luffy couldnt hurt them at first they must also be top 5 Lol especially considering they gassed luffy more more than or equal to kizaru and together.. This is pure circumstantial, similar to marco having great showing in marineford against the admirals. Regenerative abilities work great clashing against devil fruits but a haki based attacked garp knocked him on his azz. Just like kuma did to saturn also. These guys arent top 5 by a long shot. Nobody in the top 5 can lose a 2v1 against other top tier. After what kuma did to saturn, garp probly one shots all 5 elders with 1 galaxy impact. If the elders are actually top 5 then they shall either kill or capture entire straw hat crew + resolve egghead incident before the 10 minutes is up. If it was kaido, shanks, blackbeard, mihawk, & big mom being summoned thats what would happen easily so how can these guys be top 5 ? Nonsense

[@Code-p4y]

The planets are aligning bro the 5 elders & luffy son god are the key 🔑to summon imu the moon

[@romedebaine]

This fight could turn out like luffy vs Bellamy but luffy is in Bellamy's position this time. I have to wait before I decide that the Saturn is loosing.

[@AcedOnez]

Saturn is not one shoting like luffy bro your on crack not even high diff minimum extreme diff and that’s generous because he’s really not beating luffy 1v1 but to your point he not doing a bellamy to luffy your smoking

[@romedebaine]

@@AcedOnez reading compression is so important. I didn't say he'd be one shot 😵‍💫. I implied that he might not be the physical underdog people think he is

[@AcedOnez]

@@romedebaine you talking abt I don’t comprehend you need to learn how to write 😭 “compression “😭😭

[@romedebaine]

@@AcedOnez 🤣 you got me there 😂

[@romedebaine]

You're still wrong though 😂

[@nobodylikemoxxie]

wait kaido and big mom aint dead????

[@deathitself6985]

They are as far as we know. It's possible they are or one of them is alive but I don't see how Oda would even include them anymore. That being said i wish Oda just confirmed them

[@randyrosales3496]

So if haki is the weakness then why didn’t Roger win. It’s obviously not strength . Just like Larry says haki says haki is stronger oda will find a weakness to haki

[@Shaqzpsp]

Also bb doesn’t have the dark dark fruit it’s a fruit like the Saturns

[@Cringer5210]

Not confirmed yet but I agree

[@deathitself6985]

Mythical Zoan? 🤔 Would explain him not being able to be intangible but if it is the Yami Yami we haven't seen it's actual strength

[@paulhayman8540]

In ten mins if it was kaido or big mom they completeling it with their primary crew lets be real

[@dazel3412]

Hax over haki we have the biggest hax in luffy ,the 5 elders feared the awakening of luffy than everything else, road to laugh tale told us about the Nika, if his ability is to heal from anything no amount of haki can change that ,the attack that law negates was affecting his body so he could use haki to power through Kaido dispite using acoc couldn't stop luffy from been rubber

[@anthonyflowe5969]

If luffy never coated his attacks with acoc he would have never won

[@dazel3412]

@anthonyflowe5969 yell that to the giant fist that was gonna blow apart onigashima, the force fron that fist can break through any defense, luffy only coated his fist to stop himself from getting burn

[@anthonyflowe5969]

@@dazel3412 if luffy never realized he could coat his attacks with conquerors bro the fight would have been over. Only then could he had really damaged kaido, that’s literally when luffy was able to go 1v1 with him. And I’m also speaking on before gear 5. The fight would not have lasted any longer if luffy never learned to coat his attacks with conquerors

[@manman-gt8yo]

luffy always comes thur idk why ppl get doubting him

[@MstarSmith]

Bro Shone Showdown you're arguing for survivability when everyone is talking about top 5 strength. Argument has no weight here.

[@DieB4MeGaming]

GOROSIE are 100% Stronger than Luffy Right Now in Egghead

[@donrog5035]

I don't know for all the gorosei member but for sure, Saturn is a bum.

[@arturmagomedov4849]

I bet Luffy is going to 1v5 Gorosei in the next couple of chapters and it is going to be a very tough fight for both sides.

[@shihoblade]

This ninja really talking like prople are fodder if they cant drop a yonko in 10 mins or less...

[@stonebro8941]

Yall just underestimate luffy too much. He's a yonko, he's on par with kaido and white beard 2/3 people who have the title of "world stronges"(yes he is in par with white beard you can't deny that).whole point of wano was luffy finally be a top dog. And I just can't wrap my head around people who say SHs needs another TS Calling the gorosei fighters is like calling suger a fighter, strong hax, no on screen visible fighting style/skill/what ever you like to call it. And to be honest oda is basically shoving the idea of gorosei not being df users into our mouth. They have completely different powers I think.

[@stonebro8941]

The impression that gorosei give me is they are NOT punch fighters like admirals/yonkos. Like luffy found kaido's weakness before even facing kaido on onigashima(damage from inside) and still fought him for 50 whole chapters because kaido was a fighter, he was literally the strongest mf out there. But once we find out about the secret behind Saturn's regeneration he's done. He can't throw a punch

[@donnig5053]

@@stonebro8941 Can’t? Dude you’re going off manga panels

[@jamesjones5023]

Larry pisses me off everytime he opens his mouth I can’t fathom his logic.

[@AbidurRahman2212]

There definitely not top 5(regen not included) but there different over any yc1 level and is close to Admirals and with regen so far since we don't know how to counter it there around Yonko level+ now

[@powerscallingfiend]

He has cut on his face so it's probably just haki .

[@SaintNick901]

Y’all acting like OG Luffy ain’t a God!!

[@powerscallingfiend]

7:52 😂😂garp ,aokiji and akainu are definitely not conqueror haki user ,because they don't have the characteristics ,and oda didn't show their conqueror haki in their introduction similar to other users.Garp galaxy impact is just armament advance form .

[@user-rf1jb4hn2u]

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[@lordodium3872]

Shonen Showdown has the worst one piece takes in the game