Are the Photos Really Them?

[@mikefranklin1253]

Many, many years ago I ate in a resturant in Carlsbad, New Mexico. There was an old Colt on a plaque near the bar. While waiting for my food, I had a look at the gun. The plaque read "The only gun in New Mexico that never belonged to Billy the Kid" . It was likely worth a fortune.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Funny!

[@robertjensen1438]

I accidentally sent inappropriate photos to everyone in my address book. Not only is it embarrassing, but it also cost me a fortune in stamps.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

And you are dehydrated from licking envelopes.

[@robertjensen1438]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Just lots of paper cuts.

[@grizwoldphantasia5005]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Possibly not, if he's a congress critter and used the office franking machine.

[@thomasmolyneaux3700]

😂 I’m going to use that joke if you don’t mind

[@thomasmolyneaux3700]

I think one possible way they can do this is with skull diameters,forensic artists are able to make exact recreations of a person face with the exception of facial hair

[@redheadredneckv]

The one thing that tipped me off was that “Morgan Earp” was apparently in this photo, kinda messed up to bring a corpse to a photo shoot

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

True...I musta missed that one.

[@Aswaguespack]

My great grandfather 1862-1936 was an avid photographer. He took many photos from 1920 to the early 1930s. However with all the family photos he took none survive of him because he was always behind the lens. Just recently my mother passed away and when we went through all her belongings we found a bunch of my Dad’s old Navy photos from Guam and mixed in was one pic that I think is My Great Grandfather George Theodore. To me that photo is more valuable than Billy the Kid.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Pretty neat!!

[@distlledbrewedreviewed]

Your topics are not only informative, they're extremely interesting.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Appreciated, John

[@ifritmog9011]

Harry had a mustache at age 5? I guess kids were a lot tougher back then.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Better nutrition in Montana.

[@ericpode6095]

The other problem with the "Billy the Kid" photo is that some people claim it's reversed, which is where the "left handed gun" comes from.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

They did back in the old days, but now we know better.

[@knothead5]

Winchester never made a rifle that had left hand ejection.

[@ericpode6095]

@@knothead5 I meant the claim Billy was left handed (and the name of a movie)

[@Rollin_L]

It was well known at the time tintypes were common that they produced a reverse or mirror image. In terms of the Kid's photo, the evidence of that is the engraving reproduction of that very photo published twice while Billy was still alive. The March 5 and June 4, 1881 editions of the Illustrated Police News printed Billy's likeness, obviously taken from one of the original tintypes. (Likely Garrett's copy, which he may have taken directly from Billy upon his December 1880 arrest.) The IPN reversed their engraving (or woodcut?) version, showing the revolver on the Kid's right hip and the Winchester 1873 in his left hand. That suggests a deliberate decision based on a known factor. Also, a 1941 issue of Life Magazine shows the tintype both ways, mentioning the controversy. But then we hear this reverse image issue was only discovered in the 1950s. Not discovered, just recovered!

[@knothead5]

@@ericpode6095 I remember it...Paul Newman. Spent a day in Lincoln, NM. Interesting day.

[@ScarletRebel96]

The old style photography is a charm i wish we could bring back to the modern world, the stories those photos could tel if they could talk

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thankfully, people still make tintypes (wet collodian process).

[@bigblue6917]

That is so true. I once came across a photograph made by a local photographer in the latter part of the 19th century. It was part of a series he was making of life in the city. One of the photographs he took included a mother stood on her door step proudly holding her new born baby. Seeing the photographer setting up his camera she must quickly got the baby ready and rushed out to make sure this new addition to the family was recorded for posterity. I did wonder who she was and what happened to her and the baby.

[@joemortimer1763]

Cool video! Great episode! Rivals was fun to be in. It is very challenging to check a chain of custody on these photos as no real records were kept on photos when they were taken. Love the pig at the end!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You! Yeah...it gets tougher as we go through time.

[@TheKahliff]

While I can see that old photos are gratifying, and it is nice to look at, say, the one and ONLY picture of Billy the Kid, I have to say that looking at ANY photograph is an exceptional treat. Just think: it is an instance frozen in time . . .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes

[@Snuffy03]

OK. Another Saturday. Another Santee video masterpiece! 🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awesome!

[@Desolate1]

OMG Lola is so adorable!❤

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

She is at the end of this video as a newborn: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmG1q5yipq6Za6M

[@Desolate1]

@@ArizonaGhostriders She was so tiny and vulnerable.🥹 I saw one in a baby stroller at Starbucks last week. Why God, WHY are piggies so adorable?! Also, I had no idea that Elkhorn series existed, gotta see it now- thanks👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@Desolate1 I got to touch her nose and it was not what I expected. Hard! I thought they would be squishy. Yeah, pretty adorable.

[@MadMatt13]

Fascinating stuff, you completely nailed it there by saying we all want them to be real. Shame they cant all be I guess. P.S. Lola is my new favourite co star of yours 😁

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@Z7d3nR4]

Yes, but how do we know that this is an authentic video of the real Santee of the Arizona Ghostriders?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hmmm...great point.

[@Backroad_Junkie]

You don't. But it's always said (okay, I've always said), repeat the legend enough, and it becomes fact. So even if it's not Santee, he'll become Santee, lol...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Now I'm not sure if I'm me.

[@Z7d3nR4]

@@Backroad_Junkie I've heard that a few times. And I believe it. Mostly.

[@Z7d3nR4]

@@ArizonaGhostriders 😂🤣😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gorFkKGnisRnadkfeature=shared

[@sgtsplice9643]

Hey..... Just South of Branson Mo. at the College of the Ozarks Museum, in the limited time I had to visit.... I saw one of Cole Younger pistols, Frank Starr's pistols, and a pistol dropped by Jesse James in the Russellville Kentucky Bank holdup.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's pretty cool!! I just saw a photo online of that old bank.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

My dad had a fantasy about the Old West having been born in 1929, the year Wyatt Earp died. NM is still the Wild West!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

So is AZ. Just go down to the intersection of Grant & Alvernon in Tucson.

[@justdustino1371]

Santee, you need to have a look at the 1903 Bannerman's Catalog that was posted page by page in an archive online! It had surplus Civil War Starr and Remington revolvers, S&W Schofield revolveslrs, Sharps and Spencer rifles and carbines, Civil War cannon, including captured Confederate guns and Cannon decommissioned Union warships! Spanish Mausers surrendered in Cuba, plenty of ammo!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I think I have it somewhere....but I'll check. Thanks!

[@harrisonmantooth7363]

justdustino ; I use to have copies of Early Montgomery Wards and, Sears & Robucks (sp?) Catalogs. I spent many hours thumbing through the pages and drooling over the costs of the firearms back then. Granted, wages were very low compared to today's.

[@justdustino1371]

@harrisonmantooth7363 Yeah, I have the 1895 Montgomery Ward reprint. It isn't that wages were low, so much as it is that a dollar was worth far more! I sold all my 1 ounce, 90% silver Morgan dollars, but I still have an 1878 gold $2.50 coin and an 1886 $5 gold coin. Money was worth more under the gold and silver standard. We had hyper infection when gold was demonetized in 1933, and more hyperinflation in the 1970s less than 10 years after silver was demonetized in 1964. The city of Philadelphia did a survey in 1895 that determined a family income of $5.50 per week was poor, but above the poverty line. So always think, $10 a week was good pay for a skilled craftsman or foreman, and compare everything to that! $40 per month was upper working class, or lower middle class! Then you get a better idea of real prices in those catalogs, and buying power, vs now.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Appreciate the info.

[@harrisonmantooth7363]

Thanks for another fantastic and informative video Santee. Since I've been interested in photography for many years, this episode of Arizona Ghostriders was especially interesting for me. The oldest photograph I have is a print of my Paternal grandfather with his two older sons. The two boys are my uncle Arthur, the eldest and, my father who was about three years old at the time. My father passed away on November 19th in 2020. He would have been 101 years old on February 2, 2024. Thanks again for sharing Santee. Thank you for sharing.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's amazing you have that photo!

[@Rollin_L]

Great video, Santee. Thanks for covering this fascinating issue. There is also a group photo of men out in the range somewhere, which someone took and presented as members of the Regulators, naming several. But the original publication of the photo is in an article on Oliver Loving, of the Goodnight-Loving Trail fame. (Basis for Lonesome Dove.) Definitely not the Regulators!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Oh, I'd like to see that.

[@Rollin_L]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I'll get these to you by e-mail. I have to get the original published photo into digital form out of the magazine the article is in, of which I have a copy. The one marked up to "identify" the Regulators I have in only in low resolution digital, but it is sufficient for the point.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@Im_Covetous]

"I almost wish you could smile in photographs" "Have you?" "Oh, God no. You'd look like a insane person" -Seth McFarlane

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah I remember something like that!

[@Im_Covetous]

@@ArizonaGhostriders movie - million ways to die in the west. Also i thoroughly enjoy your videos 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@MissKittysWildWestAdventurers]

Thank you mentioning “The Gathering”. That photo irks me every time I see it. Mainly because Morgan Earp died the year before he allegedly posed for that photo. Great video!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, I completely missed that in the photo, but you're right

[@Rick_King]

In "The Gathering," the guy labeled as Bat Masterson doesn't even look a little bit like him. And I don't believe Wyatt Earp ever visited Montana. Morgan did, and they both spent time in South Dakota. Great video, Santee! -Desert Rat Rick

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@indigowolf556]

Hey Santee thanks for another great video.!!🤠🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You bet

[@rhondaz356]

Oh yeah, people could spend a fortune on something they thought was original. It's the same with autographs of famous, sports' figures. There's only a couple of solidly, reputable companies.😵‍💫 How you, and your friends, match the topic, with the most amazing audio and visual clips, and pics, NEVER ceases to amaze me, Santee!!! L👏🏻🤠🎊👏🏻

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Awww, thanks!

[@Buddygold9509]

I’ve got an original, signed copy of Billy the Kid and Elvis together. Any takers? Ok, ok, I signed it.😮

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

2 Bits!

[@Buddygold9509]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Sold to the highest, well only, bidder. 🤩

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@ZeRowe]

Great episode! Very Informative! Now I’m curious I might’ve look for some old photos

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Go for it!

[@arnostruwig9634]

Best part of the week when u put up new content

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@janerkenbrack3373]

I'm waiting for the Billy The Kid - Alien Abduction crossover conspiracy.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Me too

[@Backroad_Junkie]

You know, there's this Daniel Craig / Harrison Ford movie, lol...

[@janerkenbrack3373]

@@Liveabovetheapathy Yeah, but some like waking up with anchovies on their breath.

[@worldobserver3515]

Well, they do have Billy the Kid vs. Dracula.

[@readytogo6569]

Love your honest, humble education. Thank you very much❣️

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're very welcome.

[@ThemissouriTraveler]

Great subject! Love it and good morning yall

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks so much

[@nilo70]

Thank you Santee for making this happen! Cheers From California 😎

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TimKoehn44]

Great episode Santee! Another problem I have seen is with modern tintypes. I have seen people claim a tintype is original, and looks correct. Then folks come forward and know the reenactor in the photo. Have a great weekend! Cheers!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Interesting! Come to think of it, I've seen that too. Some of these living historians are so spot-on with their impressions.

[@chubbethsthunder]

Santee, Absolutely Awesome. Thank you very much. I finally got a chance to watch The Legend of Five Mile Cave and there was a Santee spotting. Very good movie. You and Mrs Pew Pew have a beautiful and blessed weekend. Hug the kitty cat for me. LORD GOD Bless and stay vigilant.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You! Glad you watched it.

[@JeffyLube]

Had to watch this standing up. I squatted on my spurs and I havent been able to sit down since monday

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Dang....that is like the first cowboy "rule." You could have just looked it up and saved your bum.

[@JeffyLube]

@@ArizonaGhostriders right up there with "dont crack your oysters on the saddle horn"

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right!

[@patsaylor8973]

Santee, they said that William S. Hart, the actor, owned Billy the Kid's pistol. Have you ever heard that before? It was in a mini bio on him and how much he loved the west.

[@davidlambert1170]

@@patsaylor8973 there's a photo of Hart showing it to Johnny Mack Brown on the set of Billy the Kid (1930). Unfortunately, the serial number on Hart's gun dated to after the Kid's death.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I think David's reply answers that question.

[@chelseadanico877]

So very awsome and interestingly informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it, I got a lot of inspiration for my old west frontier inspired, retro 1950s through the early to mid 2000s, backrooms/liminal spaces,mario and zelda inspired narrative lore writing projects. I learned a lot about the authentic photos from the old west frontier and I also learned about the not authentic photos as well. Great job,well done and keep up the great work. Today Im working on writing my backrooms/ liminal space inspired story, that is also old west frontier and zelda inspired.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Interesing with the Zelda.

[@chelseadanico877]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Thanks. Right now Im getting even further story inspiration from playing zelda tears of the kingdom and watching a video on zelda tears of the kingdom development. I also got some story inspiration from playing zelda skyward sword.

[@DonFrankel]

Good episode and good point about why people want these photos to be the real deal. There's the semi nude picture of Josephine Marcus that was all over the place, even on the cover of a book she supposedly wrote. Somebody tracked the picture back to 1920 and it wasn't her. Still it was a sexy photo and it let people imagine.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes. There is a photo of her, but she don't look like that!

[@DonFrankel]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Yeah I've seen them and she was a beautiful young woman but not like that. One thing all the movies miss is she is 19. She's is not some grown up woman of the world, just a kid.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right. They frequently get ages wrong in Hollywood.

[@BlakeHutto]

Cool episode! See ya on down the trail 🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@ralphperez4862]

Perhaps the best part of history is the seasoning. As I see it, stories season over time. The stories and narratives we create become our truths. Sometimes, these old photos maybe represent who we want them to represent. I’m cool with all of it. Thanks for all the research and fun videos that you produce and create for all of us. It’s the best channel for me. Gracias Amigo.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I like that, Ralph. "Seasoning" yes!

[@albertvonschultz9137]

Whenever anybody brings up about Frank and Jesse James, I remember the story when I was a kid at Grandma. Used to tell me about living next door to them when she was growing up

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I"m looking at a map of the James Farm area, lots of houses around it. Can you tell me which one was your grandma's? Curious to pinpoint it.

[@albertvonschultz9137]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I'm not sure off hand but I know.Release I think her maiden name was culver

[@albertvonschultz9137]

@ArizonaGhostriders No, I just talked to my brother. He's in his 80s and he was saying calver was her married name. He wasn't sure what her maiden name was. It's been a long time. He says since someone asked that question.

[@nancybarnett2832]

Very interesting today, thanks a bunch!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

My pleasure!

[@ObjectHistory]

There must still be some undiscovered gems in attics, etc. out there

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I'm sure!

[@bostonrailfan2427]

the biggest mystery is what did Bill do on your computer? him having direct access to billions of videos and images is frightening! 🤣 but seriously, you had the perfect analogy there as scrutinizing provenance is definitely a lot of people trying to Indiana Jones the next big historical treasure.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA! Yes, he's now like Lawnmower Man ('80s movie). On the flip side of the provenance coin, historians are pretty skeptical (rightfully so) and it would take a mountain of evidence to prove some of these photos are the real people.

[@charlesmiller6826]

A fantastic snap shot of history 😅 ok I'll see myself out now😊

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@JeffDeWitt]

The thing about photographs is that unless you know it's provenance it could be faked, people were doing creative things with photographs LONG before Photoshop came along. We have a glass plate photograph of my grandfather and some other men standing in front of an airplane. One of the men is Charles Lindberg, another was NYC Mayor La Guardia. While it was possible my grandfather would have been photographed with them it seemed odd. Granddad was also an avid photographer and had his own darkroom... and a few years ago my brother found the real picture. Granddad was having fun in the darkroom. So yes, it's reasonable to be skeptical of any old photo! I also loved how Bill's ghost got pulled into the computer... literally the ghost in the machine, nicely done!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I think a lot of these are simply mistaken identity, but you are so right!

[@sbcinema]

No matter if the person is famous or not, every photo is a piece of history

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Absolutely.

[@MrWheelchairPreacher]

Photos of Bass Reeves is a good example of this. Some are, many aren't.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

True

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

A long time ago you could get tin print done at Knotts Berry Farm.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah? There are still folks who make them. I've got a couple.

[@JohnsonCreekLeather]

Hey Santee, I would love to see a video on leather wraps for rifles in the old west

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Sure. I'll have to do a little research!

[@JohnsonCreekLeather]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Thanks

[@garrettfromsmokeinthewoods]

Another great video santee

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@LeloniBunny]

I think that my cat had an appropriate comment for this one; photo fakery really BITES!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA! That one I showed with Jesse James (that sold for $35k) is ridiculous. Doesn't even have the same hairline.

[@LeloniBunny]

Wow.... Someone's wallet had to be crying after that one. Glad that my feline doesn't bite that hard!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right!

[@anthonycalbillo9376]

Bill, head over to the file that says USB drive, then hit upload/move to, then have Santee put it into the thumb drive of another device (I think you should get out by then). First, write a note to someone in the Notes section of the home page, saying that you need help. Or, click on the KZbin feature, hop in, and wait to be downloaded.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Nice. Thanks for the help.

[@JimBailey]

Thank you Santee. Great video. :)

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@henryrodgers1752]

“Liver-Eatin’ Johnson” wouldn’t be photographed unless he had a chunk of liver in hand. He had his reputation to protect!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

True!

[@led8541]

Great video Santee

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated, Led. Hope all is well.

[@wildbill1519]

There's a museum in Berryville, Arkansas called "Saunder's Museum" and they have reportedly over 1000 guns on display, all from the late 1800s and early 1900s. I don't doubt that number because I've known about the museum from when I was a kid and would go there when I was down there visiting relatives. No Billy The Kid guns, though. Some from Teddy Roosevelt and Buffalo Bill Cody, supposedly. A number of .41 calibers on display. And I do remember 1 pistol that had 4 barrels. There's other rooms with other things. The people were well to do and they have displays with fine china, as well as other household items. Neat place to go. Many years ago they had a pop machine where you put in a dime for the pop and slid the bottle of your choice over and out. It was a chest style Coca Cola brand machine.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

That's a museum to put on the list for sure!

[@JG-six-gun]

Great topic thanks!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you liked it!

[@douglasmolt2046]

Hey Santee; Did I see you do a walk-on recently in a movie titled Far Haven?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes. I did a crowd "lynching" scene and Tom Proctor and I had a moment where he intimidated me in a saloon.

[@joelhurley2678]

Great video Santee I agree with you that these people just arbitrarily make statements that this is who this person is and then you find out it's bogus. Thank you so much for sharing this information and again always enjoy your videos.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Absolutely, thanks!

[@LionquestFitness]

Just listened to a Brushy Bill/Billy the Kid episode of the Wild West Extravaganza. My wife in her usual way said, "If you want to know what really happened to Billy the Kid," watch the movie Old Henry." 🙄

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🥃 It is a good movie!

[@Medicalstench]

One little-known fact about Billy the Kid is that he was a fan of poetry. While he is famously remembered as an outlaw and gunslinger, historical accounts suggest that Billy the Kid had a surprising appreciation for literature, especially poetry. He was known to recite poetry, particularly sentimental or romantic verses, and even wrote a few of his own. This interest might seem out of character for someone often depicted as a ruthless outlaw, but it adds a layer of complexity to his personality, revealing a softer side that often goes unnoticed in the legends surrounding his life. This interest in poetry reflects the cultural influences of the frontier environment, where storytelling, music, and poetry were essential forms of entertainment and expression, even for notorious figures like Billy the Kid.

[@Medicalstench]

Poetry in the Old West was more than just art; it was a vital form of expression and connection, especially among unexpected groups like outlaws and hobos. In a harsh, often lonely environment, poetry offered a way for people to share their emotions, tell stories, and find common ground, even among those living outside the law. ### Outlaws and Poetry Despite their tough reputations, many outlaws were drawn to poetry. Figures like Billy the Kid had an unexpected appreciation for verse, often reciting or even writing their own poems. For outlaws on the run, poetry could offer solace or a way to express feelings they couldn't otherwise show. It might include romantic musings, reflections on the frontier, or even humorous jabs at the lawmen chasing them. Poetry was a way to preserve a sense of humanity and maintain a connection to the world beyond their outlaw existence. ### Hobo Poets Hobos, or itinerant workers, also contributed to the poetic culture of the West. Traveling by rail or foot in search of work, they often composed and recited poems that captured their experiences on the road. Known as "hobo poets," these wanderers wrote about freedom, hardship, friendship, and the injustices they witnessed. Their poetry, often shared around campfires or train yards, reflected the unique perspectives of those living on the margins of society. ### Poetry as a Frontier Tradition Poetry was woven into the daily lives of many on the frontier, from cowboys and ranch hands to miners and settlers. Cowboy poetry became a lasting tradition, capturing the hardships and beauty of life on the range. Poems were recited on long cattle drives, at town gatherings, or around campfires, expressing themes of longing, loneliness, and the rugged landscape. ### The Enduring Legacy While the Old West is often remembered for its violence and lawlessness, its poetic traditions reveal a deeper, more complex world. Outlaws, hobos, and cowboys all turned to poetry for solace and connection, demonstrating its universal appeal even in the toughest of environments. Today, events like cowboy poetry gatherings keep these traditions alive, celebrating a rich legacy of Western verse that continues to resonate.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@alan_whoneedstiedye]

Another great episode and cute pig.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

My favorite will always be either Lincoln and Booth in the same picture or Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Wow!

[@KidYuma1880]

Thanks Santee for great video about tin types. I like tin type photos, regardless if famous. If real tin type pics I would think hard to come about, but if so they have a story to Santee if passed down from our period of time. Interesting that pic of Kid playing standing they with croquet mallet, has Kid hat notice the crushed hat like his real pic, also notice under sweater there is a bulge what appears to be a gun under it? -Kid Yuma

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Probably how the hoax was propagated.

[@cheycasters]

Thanks buddy!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome

[@mistyjames810]

Excellent video 📹 👍 ✨

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you very much!

[@robertnewell5057]

Thanks, Santee. The Billy the Kid gun thing is reminscent of religious relic industry. It seems St Peter had about 40 fingers and you could build a good sized house of of pieces of the 'true cross'. I should mention that I mean no disrespect to Christians - I simply have a beef with those who seek dishonestly to profit from their faith. All in all a great vid which should have been twice as long.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Much appreciated.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

With the photos being taken, it seems stupid that Frank and Jesse would have had all those pictures taken. Sheriffs and Pinkerton agents would have used them to aid in their capture.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Excellent point.

[@robertcole9391]

Great vid. But on a different note, did you get the photo of a battlefield pickup on extra cylinders? Just curious. though not issued I have also seen some photos showing a similar pouch.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I never saw a photo of the battlefield cylinder pouch. Did you email me one?

[@robertcole9391]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Yes

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I don't recall seeing it.Just checked my email. Did you send it to the gmail account?

[@robertcole9391]

@@ArizonaGhostriders No.. it was via FB messenger on your FB page. I didn't have an email address that I saw on your you tube page. My apologies.

[@robertcole9391]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I have it now and will send in a few seconds.

[@terryschiller2625]

Hi Santee, interesting video. I read that the famous picture of doc Holiday isn't him at all. But I can't remember who it actually is. 🤔

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, there's a couple of them. One is supposedly original, while the one we see the most was another citizen in Tombstone.

[@Rick_King]

That photo is of John Escapule, the great grandfather of the current mayor of Tombstone, Dusty Escapule. -Desert Rat Rick

[@terryschiller2625]

@@Rick_King that's who I was talking about! Thank you Sir! I had forgotten his name.

[@Rick_King]

@@terryschiller2625 You are quite welcome! I love all of this Old West stuff! And I live 17 miles from the OK Corral.

[@terryschiller2625]

@@Rick_King me too I can't get enough of Western history. WOW only 17 miles that's would be awesome. All that history in that area.

[@ralphperez4862]

Also, love Lola. I just had some of her cousin for breakfast this morning, javelina chorizo. Yum.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I hear that is a great way to eat javalina.

[@ralphperez4862]

@@ArizonaGhostriders it totally is. I made the chorizo myself. Nice and toasty warm. Yum

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

mmmm

[@davidpeirce7914]

Good one! We can’t even identify family in some of old tin types lol ! No luck though no Billy the kid yet!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I get it.

[@sitaspell4384]

In Old Town, San Diego, at the Cosmopolitan Hotel, a young lady, and her Father have a great Photography studio. Glass plate type. Catherine Segura Old type photos.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you for the info

[@sitaspell4384]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Any time!! Mr. Santee Huzzah!!

[@KevinHowardMusic]

We need an old west prequel to Harry and The Hendersons

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Wonderful idea!

[@mikereinhardt4807]

Most of the fun of a mystery is just that, its a mystery! When its solved the fun kind of goes out of it...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

The thrill of the hunt.

[@northrider8628]

🤠 that was a good one 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@jerseyred9554]

Unbelievable effects

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@douglasarnold5310]

Love the old photos, love the the look like to get them made when I find a shop

[@Backroad_Junkie]

@@douglasarnold5310 If you're ever near Badlands National Park, stop in at Wall Drug for lunch. They've got quite a collection...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes?

[@Backroad_Junkie]

Yeppers, I gots me a copy of the Gathering photo, lol. Real or not, it's still fun to go to Wall Drug and see all the photos on the wall... Hi Lola! At least they didn't name you Miss Piggy, lol...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Oh, that was my first choice for her name...but it was voted out!

[@elultimo102]

@@ArizonaGhostriders "Miss Piggy" may be copyrighted, like "Smokey Bear."

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Dangit!

[@doraran2138]

With renewed interest in tin type photograph and the sophisticated photo shop technology as well as high density printers, an altered image can be generated, complete with proper depths of fields consistent with period photographs as well as lens distortions, printed on very high quality paper, then photographed with tin type equipment and a very difficult to detect fake. Caveat emptor

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes. They were printed on metal then.

[@OpieDogie]

Well, pretty interesting!! Very few are real, that’s for certain. I went into a museum to see what they claimed to be an “old Spanish guitar”. I looked at the name and it was a familiar name. When I got home, I looked at my genealogy chart and there was the name. The guitar turned out to be a early Martin, not a “Spanish” guitar and the guitar was new in the late 1840’s early 1850’s. My guesstimation is, since he was nearing the end of his life about then, (died 1853) it most likely was bought by his son, my 2nd great grandmother’s half brother of the same name.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Whoah! Nice.

[@PatrickGriffin-z7n]

This is more of a request than a comment. You mentioned you did a video on "lost guns" and I just finished reading a book about the Ludlow massacre during a coal miners strike in Colorado at the turn of the 20th century. In it it says that the Colorado Militia confiscated hundreds of guns from the striking miners. I'm curious as to what happened to them. Since this happened at the very end of the "wild West" would you be interested in doing a video on that ? Thank you so much for all of your great videos.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Ill take a look at it! Always up for a mystery.

[@VioletFeatherWind]

The piggy though!🖤

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right?

[@VioletFeatherWind]

@@ArizonaGhostriders She cute!!

[@greghardy9476]

I always thought the photo of Kieth Richards teaching Willie Nelson to play guitar was fake…now, I’m not so sure…

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAHA!

[@NGMonocrom]

Thanks a lot, Santee.... Now I feel guilty for having ham with my egg and cheese breakfast sandwich. ☹

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Hope you enjoy

[@NGMonocrom]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Actually, yes I did enjoy it. Won't lie.

[@griff6985]

I've heard that there's a bar in New Mexico which has on display a very rare revolver. It is one of the few guns in NM that was NOT owned by Billy the Kid. 😂

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAH!

[@bevgreen8165]

I suppose there are a lot of tintype tinhorns out there trying to pass things off. Nice little pig. Hope she does well. We're rooting for her.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It's a shame.

[@ericschneider8524]

And those feral pigs keep breeding especially in the southeast from Florida to Texas. They make great bacon and pork chops for the freezer.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@ericschneider8524 Yeah, our "javalina" are not really pigs, but people cook them up a similar way.

[@marcsewell7275]

I've got tin types of relatives that i wish someone could identify.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🥃 Check with some other family?

[@bigblue6917]

Harry Britain was 5 years old all grown up and with a moustache when the photograph was taken. Is that what they mean by precocious.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right?

[@martykitson3442]

may the 8 yo treasure hunter continue to live in us all🤠👍👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes!

[@job38four10]

I have a picture of me and Billy the Kid playing checkers.......

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Cool!!! Sell it!

[@stopmotionkid1041]

Do a video of dressing part of the early 1900s wild west cowboy

[@stopmotionkid1041]

- cowboy cal

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

OK!

[@frankrizzo367]

Harry and the Hendersens 😊

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes!

[@prepare4war3]

Lois Gibson is not very creditable, you can see the authentic tin type of Jessie James shows his receding hair line and the other photo she said looks authentic shows someone with a very different hair line, someone paid too much money for a photo that clearly is not Jessie James in my opinion.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I agree. Why I put it up there. If it were really "accepted" then it would have gone for millions. I think the $35k buyer may have bought it hook, line, and sinker.

[@pjbth]

Why is Billy being hunted by a Trex?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He's not...because that's not Billy. Imposters get hunted by Rex.

[@kmorris180]

So how would I get a verification on a old tintype? I have one that was taken at a studio in Ohio and the gal is a dead ringer for Annie Oakley.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You'd have to find a professional forensic photography person. Also, there are the historians that have to agree as well.

[@vincentberkan605]

Dear Santee Can you do a video of European firearms that were on the American Frontier? - Vincent B. Berkan

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I'll try!

[@denizen9998]

Love your episodes. But we need more pigs.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA!

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

I bet making this video was a...snap. {I will see myself to the door now...😊}

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HAAA!

[@AdaM48state]

Sometimes we get fooled because we want to believe it so badly.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes

[@josephredhawk1125]

Hi, love the videos. The gathering photo ya so fake. Judge Roy Bean is my relative looks nothing like him in photo. My mom's side the Bean family has a couple of famous people in it. My dad's side is native Indian so I have interesting stories. Keep up with the great videos From New Mexico, Joseph RedHawk

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!