The Problems with the OK Corral

[@TheRageaholic]

My favorite detail about the shooting - that, bafflingly, still hasn't been filmed to my knowledge - is that it was lightly snowing in Tombstone on the day of the gunfight. That would look absolutely amazing on film. No idea why no one has done it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Maybe someone will.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

I guess it's too unbelievable?

[@TBBishiXO]

Right! It was snowing on that day!!

[@johnlea8519]

Being a Brit Western fan a few years back I had a vacation in Arizona, Tombstone and Boot Hill were amazing, loved every minute.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@kimberlypatton9634]

My dream was always to visit Langtry Tx ,the saloon of Judge Roy Bean - he's always been a love of my heart! We went one summer on vacation and it was fantastic! We also went to the Alamo and to Alamo Village movie set where the John Wayne movie was filmed.Ih the Longhorns were incredible on that ranch,as it's private property.I live in Texas and have years before our trip.Amd then I discover through ancestry search that my family has been Texans since before the Alamo and I'm related to Col.Travis by me paternal grandmother who was born a Travis. And settled in Abilene( near where I live) and in Morgan Mill,not far from the house I own I now know I've come full circle ..right back toy roots where I needed to be I suppose!

[@riff8114]

The wife and I drove up to Tombstone ourselves. I grew up in Tucson, so very familiar with Tombstone.Her, my wife, being from California enjoyed the experiences of the outing 😷👍

[@Idahoguy10157]

“He’d sell his own mother”. Sixty years ago my mother emphatically told me Wyatt Earp was a bad man. On the basis that her mother told her so. Grandma had an opinion on everything

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He was clearly an opportunist. Not sure he was that bad of a man, compared to others.

[@Devin_Stromgren]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Take away his fame and he probably isn't someone any of us would want to associate with, that's for sure.

[@Idahoguy10157]

@@ArizonaGhostriders … my grandmother was a widow with a grade school education in a small Iowa farm town. She had no connection to Arizona or the Earps. She probably got this opinion from a sermon.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@Idahoguy10157 Either way, she may not have been wrong!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@Devin_Stromgren I agree

[@joelhurley2678]

Santee, I have a Co-worker who is a Grandson of the Clantons and McLaurys. His family records state that the Earps were Cattle Rustling also from Mexico. His family Diary states " That he didn't understand why the Earps were bothering them, because they rustled Cattle also. Enjoyed the show, and thanks for sharing this great History Lesson.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL! Well, that sure is interesting. I knew they were opportunists, but that's just funny.

[@la_old_salt2241]

Competing businesses then?

[@joelhurley2678]

@@la_old_salt2241 According to my Co-worker's Mom, they knew what was going on with Earps. They didn't understand why they were bothering them, when they also were Cattle Rustling. His Mom has her Grandfather Clanton's Diaries.

[@addicted2tone349]

As someone who’s been in the middle of a gun fight, shit happens fast and I think everyone sees what they see. Trauma, shock, adrenaline whatever.. It really goes down quickly when bullets start flying.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Add to that black powder smoke restricting vision and it's amazing there was any accuracy at all.

[@jefferycampbell8724]

I'd been in a few scary situations and hate that feeling. One thing I know 1st hand is 10 people watching multiple people in a violent situation will all have a different account of what happened. Your mind will see things differently then the person next to you!

[@joewright2304]

Having worked with law enforcement it makes sense to me that the Earps would have their weapons drawn. After all, if you think you may need it, the last place it should be is in the holster.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Plus it adds that, "They've already got their guns out" psych-out which I bet throws the baddies off their game.

[@NickRN7-rr2ti]

As they all had a legal right to do. Nevermind the fact that Wyatt later claimed that he believed they were there to kill him and his brothers. Why walk into that with a pistol tucked away if that's what you really believe?

[@EdwardMedwynOwen]

Many believe that this shoot-out,was about controlling the profits that was to be made in Tombstone,rather than law enforcement.

[@richardshaw6364]

I to am in law Enforcement, so your comment is factual, based not only by tactics but the way holsters were made at the time.

[@imyourhuckleberry2648]

Something that always bothered me is Doc Holliday's clothing in movies. eyewitnesses said he often ( and at the actual O.K. Corral gunfight, ) wore a black bowler hat with a black bow tie and a gray shotgun coat. I think a movie where he is portrayed that way would be fantastic.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes!

[@kmorris180]

You know, you can just hear the joy and total excitement in Dan's voice when he said, "Wow, you're a wealth of knowledge." You can tell that he really meant that. Another great video. I look forward to reading the coroner's report on that. I always enjoy that. I may even post it in the mortician's group. I'll have to link it through your video so folks can get a better picture of what happened. Thanks for always being informative and entertaining.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

As I mentioned. Prepare for bad grammar.

[@SmallCaliberArmsReview]

I forgot all about the Star Trek one. It'd be pretty neat to see every film version of just the shootout, different actors, directors and cinematographers. Very cool video Santee!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@cha5]

I do get a kick out of the fact that both the 1950’s movie and that Star Trek episode ‘Spectre of The Gun’ had actor DeForrest Kelly in them.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@cha5 Oh yeah!!! It never occured to me.

[@patrickt6642]

One of my favorite star trek episodes.

[@Frankie5Angels150]

@@cha5 And playing the role of Frank McClowery too, I believe.

[@CaucAsianSasquatch]

There was a RPG called Boothill, it the boxed set was a map set with the full casting of the OK corral. We worked through what supposed to have happened, and we discovered some odd inconsistencies. At least as far as the mechanics are concerned. I've often wondered how off history is.

[@RicArmstrong]

Most history is distorted. Sometimes on purpose. Just look at the modern news media. Future historians will use it to document "facts" even though they're outright lies.

[@knightatthecrossroads222]

Napoleon said......"history is a set of lies agreed upon.....". So why visit school regularly if bunch of lies is taught there....?

[@kencoffman7145]

I remember boot hill!!

[@CaucAsianSasquatch]

That makes 2 of us.. I still have the box set.. somewhere in my donjon

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I saw that RPG!!

[@tyjohnston8573]

Last visited Tombstone 4 years ago. Was surprised how many longterm locals still seemed to hold to a grudge over the famous gunfight. I thought, if I, a descendant of Devil Anse Hatfield, can get over the Hatfield and McCoy feud, then these folks should be able to move on. But different places and slightly different eras. It's all good.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

The Grahams and Tewksbury's still hold a grudge. I saw it first hand in Holbrook a few years ago.

[@waynedaly1718]

First rule of law enforcement…..Never bring a drunk dentist to a gunfight. Made for an interesting serial on the very early Dr Who. Thanks again Santee. Thoroughly enjoyed this.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!!!

[@veramoore9186]

Who better than a dying psychopath drunk dentist with a shotgun?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@veramoore9186 An advantage...if he's on your side.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

I think that got slightly rubbed out from people always pointing to that rule

[@Dream_E25]

As a kid born in Arizonan, but only lived there till I turned 3 these videos really help me learn about the history of my state even if I can’t travel, thank you!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome!

[@europhile2658]

I went to Tombstone in the late 80's. Back then they had some gallows set up. I read a notice nearby where they listed the hangings that had taken place in the 1880's. I was surprised how few there were. At one point there was an interval of over 20 years between them, probably fewer than you might get in a modern town

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It's still there. At the Courthouse museum.

[@jonjdoe]

And a few headstone's in Boot Hill that read, "Hanged by mistake."

[@mherod51]

You solved the "who started it" issue - in both the movie Tombstone AND the Star Trek episode one of the bad guys makes the first move for his gun which precipitates the whole shootout. Congratulations Santee! Thanks for resolving a long disputed issue.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well....Kirk knows all.

[@mherod51]

@@ArizonaGhostriders maybe Russell saw the Trek episode & believed Roddenberry had the facts...

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@mherod51 No doubt!

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

Great video. It is astonishing how myths, dime novels and movies have clouded the true story of what happened that day.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I know, right?

[@richiec7602]

The Earps were charged with murder and a trial was held. There is a transcript of the trial on the internet. Many years ago I read a book titled “Wyatt Earp: The life behind the legend “ by Casey Tefertiller and is very interesting account of Wyatt and his life. I guess it is time re-read it again. Thanks for your videos. Always interesting.

[@rickkinki4624]

They were never actually charged with murder, and no trial was held. They were indicted, and the inquest was held to decide whether there was enough evidence to bring the Earps and Holiday to trial. It was presided over by a Justice of the Peace, Wells Spicer, and there was no jury. Just an inquest.

[@richiec7602]

Sorry, my bad. You are correct sir. Thanks for the update

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It was pretty much a landslide for the Earps that "preliminary hearing"

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Preliminary hearing was about it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@richiec7602 No prob.

[@dougbrower422]

Excellent recap, Santee! Like life, there is a lot of grey in this conflict. Neither groups had any angels among their members. As a side note, last time we were back in Nome we saw a plaque commemorating the location of Wyatt’s bar/saloon during the gold rush there. That guy got around!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

He did. Followed the opportunities.

[@Frankie5Angels150]

Fun fact: Wyatt Earp’s authentic barstool had the seat replaced three times and each of its four legs and crossbars replaced several times each.

[@Grapthor24]

Amazing, you included Star Trek TOS in the scenes, a favorite episode of mine. Subscription earned!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed that.

[@rickkinki4624]

Terrific video, Santee! I've discussed this with many modern proponents of both sides, that the Earps were heroes, and that they were villains. One argument of the anti-Earp side is that there is no real evidence that any of the Clantons or McLaurys ever threatened any of the Earps. Of course, we know that morning, Virgil "buffaloed" Ike Clanton, and Wyatt did the same to Tom McLaury. Here's what I think happened. Prior to the gunfight, as they were preparing to leave town, the Clantons and McLaurys were were talking, very publicly, about what had happened, and were letting off some steam. "I'm gonna kill Wyatt for what he did to me," ranted Tom McLaury. "Yeah, and I'm gonna kill Virgil!" replied Ike. They probably were not serious threats, but they were heard saying this by the witness called H.F. Sills and others, who reported those words to Marshal Earp as serious threats. Of course Virgil took these threats seriously, and set out to disarm those men. But I do not believe that the Earps set out to murder the Clantons and McLaurys, just to disarm them. Just my educated opinion! -Desert Rat Rick

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I think Virgil was probably the one who would have just disarmed them, but the others were maybe out to settle the score.

[@williamchristopher1560]

Santee. Hey pard how ya doin? Got snow here yesterday, the 11,11. Hey I was wondering, whats with the dotted lines on the side of Hffords Saloon, and a few businesses further down the street? Thanks, and take care yourself. Mild Bill

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Snow, eh?? I can't read what is near the dotted lines to tell you. I imagine it was a property line...?

[@robertbuckey6517]

Another awesome episode Santee! Always cool to learn about the gunfight in the vacant lot by CS Fly's studio next to the OK Corral. Fun fact, I was born on the 100th Anniversary of the gunfight.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it. WoW on sharing the date!

[@mistervacation23]

What's really interesting is the affidavits they found a few years ago. For instance Mrs King was buying some Meat for dinner at Bauers Meat Market, when the Earps and Doc Holiday passed the store, she ran to the back.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@mistervacation23]

@@ArizonaGhostriders true story might have not been an affidavit, I think it might have been a witness statement

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@mistervacation23 Probably.

[@TUCOtheratt]

This is a good one! Nice info.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you liked it.

[@joemortimer1763]

Great episode as always. Love the perspective you put on it. Great to see Dirty Dan!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@cptpapa]

What does “OK” stand for? Thank you

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Old Kindersley

[@oasis6444]

Always a pleasure to watch your vids. Brings the old west history, mood and flavor to all of us (France in my case). Thx and keep going. 👍😃

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Merci!

[@jamesmcdonald5504]

One of your best yet! Thanks for that y'all do!!!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@thompuckett9547]

Thanks for including the coroner's report. Some of what you had said I had learned on various shows over the years. The only thing for sure is it wasn't at the coral. One thing I would like to see would be a reenactment using appropriate powder. I expect and others seem to agree that after the first couple of shots that it would be difficult for both sides to see each other. I would love to see a forensic reporting on that reenactment.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I plan to do an episode on black powder and its effects in a room and outside during a shootout.

[@TimKoehn44]

Excellent and very informative. It has been interesting to see how this incident has been spun over the years. Thanks Santee! Have a great weekend!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@JohnDavies-cn3ro]

Lor, but seeing the Wyatt Earp TV series takes me back to my very young childhood. More recently I had a colleague, now sadly deceased, who was related to Wyatt - her surname was Earp too. Apparently the Earps, Clantons and Hollidays originally came from the British West Midlands (where my friend also lived) and some local historians wonder if the feud between them really began over here. PS - for my money the best OK Corral movie was an late 1930's film, almost now forgotten, starring Harry Carey Snr. It was certainly more accurate than the Burt Lancaster or Kevin Costner versions.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

There were a few Earp children. Even though Wyatt never had any, others did.

[@edgabel6814]

You guys are so much fun. Salute from down the road in Bisbee - where a lot of bad guys hid out from the law in Brewery Gulch.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you much!

[@Sterlingl3591]

Hey Santee! Which movie did you like the best? Tombstone or Wyatt Earp?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Tombstone. However, Wyatt Earp followed the history closer.

[@bigblue6917]

Bat Masterson had been in Tombstone with Wyatt Earp before the incident next to the OK Corral but had to go off to assist his brother and by the time he returned the fight was over. If he had been there the chances are he would would have just cuffed a couple of them at the side of the head with his pistol and then thrown them in the jailhouse. Masterson had no time for Doc Holiday as he viewed him as a drunk and a troublemaker. Interestingly all four of the Star Trek actors appearing in westerns. In fact DeForest Kelley had made a number of western prior to appearing in Star Trek and has said that it was his best time as an actor. Eye witnesses not being able to agree as to what happened has been a long known problem. There is also the Rashomon Effect which is about how the more times witnesses retell the story of what they say the saw the more they change what it is they saw. The Rashomon Effect comes from the film Rashomon which is the story is about the rape of a bride and the murder of her samurai husband and are recalled from the perspectives of a bandit, the bride, the samurai's ghost and a woodcutter. It was later remade by Hollywood as a western with William Shatner.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It might have been a different day with Masterson. We can only speculate.

[@squint04]

Great episode Santee! And you even brought out the famous Tombstone/Star Trek episode!! Looked as if they crashed the Bonanza sets on the Paramount lot. Thanks for the visit, have a Happy Thanksgiving! See you next week

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

LOL!

[@Frankie5Angels150]

The street on which Edith Keeler gets run over in Star Trek’s “City on the Edge if Forever” was the same set as Mayberry. Kirk and Edith pass “Opie’s Steps”, Andy’s Courthouse, and Floyd’s Barbershop (with the name still on the window!) It was all DesiLu Studios.

[@MakerBoyOldBoy]

Thanks for helping to blow away the smoke of mythology from this incident. I always thought it was simply the Earps cornering the Cowboys on the empty lot as they tried to leave town. A side note. The original metal bars in Earp's jail were dug up in Tombstone's garbage dump. The flat bars had a big rivet at each crossbar connection. The bars were very twisted and rusted. My friend Doug Thamert got the contract to use his forge to straighten and clean the bars so they could d be reinstalled in the old jail for historic authenticity. This Thamert did and when delivered for payment as per the contract no payment was made. Thamert was unable to get his money. The shadiness of this incident seems quite apropos for this shady time period snd history.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I'd say!

[@wadejustanamerican1201]

Thanks for the coroner's inquest! Have a great weekend.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

You're welcome.

[@k.j.lindsey3048]

Great video again. I agree with you about reading the inquest for the story. The primary sources always tell it best

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@JeffDeWitt]

Very interesting and well done as usual, and it's great that you included the classic Star Trek clip. While I've seen a number of versions of the story over the years I've seen that one the most.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Right?? Me too.

[@marcthomas2482]

Another good one Santee! Enjoyed your stream with Richard the other night!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you very much!

[@terryschiller2625]

Great video Santee. I've have always been interested in the shooting at the OK corral. The link to the corners report was amazing thank you sir.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

With all the grammatical errors, it's a tough read. I actually copied it and fixed them all so I wouldn't cringe.

[@terryschiller2625]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I found it very interesting thinking about that was the period and grammar back then. 🤠

[@ronaldhuss8915]

Having spent many years investigating homicides, shootings robberies and such....you can get all kinds of stories from witnesses in the same room. Point of view, fear, bias etc...good job Johnny two names

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks, Columbo.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@ArizonaGhostriders >>> What does the *_"O.K."_* in *_"O.K. CORRAL"_* stand for. Is it just *_"Okay,"_* or an actual abbreviation for something?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Old Kindersley

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

@ArizonaGhostriders >>> Thanks. I don't think I've ever read that anywhere else before.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🥃

[@kevincollier4147]

Thanks for another fun and well presented video. Good to see Dan back too!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@OverOnTheWildSide]

The key to a good video is a properly placed goat scene. Well done.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks.

[@oregonoutback7779]

I am pretty firmly convinced; the writing of history is very similar to that kid's game of telephone.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Somewhat!

[@stevejorgensen5523]

As usual a great video. I read a short article, I forget who wrote it, but the arthur had taken Jophin back to Tombstone. After the rode he said you could not convince him that Mr Earp was an out right killer.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Well, they all were guilty of killing.

[@dean_is_dead]

hey santee can you do a video on fireworks in the old west

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Sure

[@dean_is_dead]

@@ArizonaGhostriders and can you give me a shoutout in the intro

[@dean_is_dead]

much love

[@Dsdcain]

Thanks for the new video. Be safe out there, and take it easy man.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@darkwater1967]

Hey Santee...I'm not seeing the follow-up video on the vendetta ride...was it not made yet?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

No not yet.

[@darkwater1967]

@@ArizonaGhostriders No worries then, I enjoy all that you do and look forward to each new episode!

[@jimjames8660]

My forebear Buffalo Earp would have been there to help, but he overslept. Too many nights on the range among the gassy bison.....

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA!

[@erice4611]

You should do a video on Crown King, AZ and the old Bradshaw city area and it’s old cemetery.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

One day. Thanks.

[@austinwhite4626]

In Mason City, Iowa, right near my family lake house. There is a similar show with the Dillinger Gang bank robbery, on March 13th, 1934. It was a pretty crazy situation and the historians of the town do a reenactment of the event on the anniversary. I don't come up there during that time, because I have a full time job, but I remember that people would come to visit for a bit.

[@austinwhite4626]

They made off with $52,000.00, which is around $1 million today.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Wow!

[@Rollin_L]

At 4:58 lol. Given the obvious talent, I'm thinking that The McLaury Brothers and Billy Clanton should have started a singing group. That's some real talent on display there... er, among other things on display.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes!

[@I_JetFuture_I]

Could you please do a video on tattoos in the old west if there were any?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I already did one

[@I_JetFuture_I]

@@ArizonaGhostriders okay, thank you!

[@BradSprinkle]

History is always slanted to the perspective of the writer. Nothing is ever really neat and wrapped with a pretty bow. Really good one folks 🤠👍 Keep them coming.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ericruss4189]

Another fantastic video as always. I always enjoy them and I am always learning. Hope to one day hit your way and do you up some good ol' Brunswick Stew.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I hope so too! I love me some o' dat!

[@keithmaxwell2169]

Good Job Santee, That's the First Time I've Ever Heard About The Running Iron Starting the Trouble

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

We will never know what really started the trouble. The running iron was just one part of it. There was a stagecoach robbery/killing and the murder of Fred White to name a couple more incidents.

[@Not_An_Alien]

Glad you had the Star Trek episode, that's how I got my OK corral knowledge.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

HA! Good.

[@tooter1able]

Amazing pictures!! Thanks to you!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Our pleasure!

[@hankfrankly7240]

I always love enjoy it when you "only the facts ma'am". As best you can concidering the facts we know. Fun to talk about anyway. Good one.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@History_Coffee]

This is what bothered me about 1883, dude rolls into a major city and proceeds to assult a random guy, shoot another one in the back, who then gets hung by a mob and it's all fine. I understand a western drama were the main character ends up with a lengthy trial and jail sentence for acting like a psychopath would probably be boring but I hate when people from our recent history are portrayed like a mob of animals.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, that was a stretch. However, those rougher towns (or bad sections of towns) were known to have a lot of violence that was overlooked.

[@jeremymullins1294]

Very cool. I read Jeff Guinn's book, 'The Last Gunfight' which for me cleared up a lot about what we know and don't know!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Lotta info out there.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

I have always wondered why they put it at the OK, when it was not that close really.

[@murphy4yt]

Probably because ‘gunfight at an alley down the street’ just doesn’t have much of a ring to it.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@murphy4yt You're right neither does " The Gunfight Near the Okay Corral"

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

It was in an exit alley right behind it. My map shows that. So, technically pretty close.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Yep, but" The Gun Fight Near the OK Corral" just doesn't have the same ring. Looking on a map myself it was I would say less than 100 Ft from it. I looked it up online after your great video

[@wemcal]

Great information on the event…never know what happened.. great in-depth

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad it was helpful!

[@carlcotton1753]

love your videos! what movies have you and the rest of the ghostriders been in?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank you! We've been in a couple INSP movies and some that can be found on Amazon. "Legend of 5 Mile Cave" is one.

[@RoJoMe]

I love watching KZbin videos about Tombstone. Mainly because I grew up there. Off and on, I lived there over 40 years. I graduated from Tombstone High School, and even went to school with both Susan Goldstein (her family owns The Longhorn Restaurant and Big Nose Kate’s Saloon) and Bill Hunley (he owns The Birdcage Theatre). I could tell you stories that would curl your cowboy boots. LOL

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Very cool! Thanks for sharing.

[@DonFrankel]

What's amazing is how people argue about this like it happened last week. That and how many bullets were in Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton. Didn't seem like the Earps and Doc missed too much.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I guess people like to argue about these things. I don't think it really matters in the big picture, but others do.

[@DonFrankel]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Me either. It's made for some really great Westerns.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Absolutely.

[@marshalofod1413]

Awesome vid, Santee! Just one bone to pick... Even if it is just opinion! I'm not sure I'd describe the Clanton and McLaury family members as actually being members of the CCC. They appear to have been more along the lines of business associates. (I forget his first name, but one of the McLaury sons, not present during the fight, was a lawyer, who was part of the inquiry. Hmm. Talk about conflict of interest!) The Clantons and the McLaurys were ranchers, and used the "services" of the CCC to boost "revenue". Like not being part of the mob, but asking them for, um, help with the competition. Except, most of what went on was more about selling/buying stolen cattle, and less about breaking someone's legs. With that stated, they were also known to have engaged in cattle rustling, personally, as well. So, they could also technically be considered members of the CCC. The CCC were loosely organized, and the "membership", at any given time, varied greatly. It's not like they issued ID cards, and collected monthly dues. Lol. Of course, if the Clantons and Mclaurys were "members", that would make Sheriff Beehan one as well, considering his own connections. Oh, and one other thing... Right on. Wyatt had a pretty checkered past. However, he seems to always have been "righteous" when conducting himself in his actual boots-on-the-ground, lawman-about-town law enforcement duties. That's not to say he didn't profit from office, as many lawmen did. Even sheriffs often were paid with a percentage of county taxes collected. Plus, Wyatt did what he did, like running a gambling outfit (often strong arming others) in his off duty time. Yet, he seems fairly honorable in his actual dispensing of the law. That's why I generally come down on his side. There is Doc Holliday, as well. He was never the outlaw that legends make him seem, but he was an outlaw, and not the nicest of individuals. However, he seems to calm down a bit, whenever he is around Wyatt. It's like Wyatt was good for him, and he, possibly, good for Wyatt. Though, that is just how I interpret what I've learned about the Georgia dentist, and the Peoria "bummer". If some analysis of historical information is correct, that they had a falling out over antisemitic comments by Doc (Josephine Marcus having been Jewish), than that is indeed a sucky ending of their friendship, and John Henry Holliday's life.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, that's why I said they were "loosely organized." What I've grown to understand is that most people take one side or the other and defend it to the point of ridiculousness. Those rustlers and their CCC cohorts would have eventually been shot or shooed out of AZ by other lawmen. It just happened to be the sketchy Earp family that did it. Ike was killed about 6 years later doing outlawy things...so, there ya go.

[@thewestvirginiacountryboy6247]

Can you do a video on Simi-automatic pistols in the old west?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yes

[@michaelpage4199]

That was a great bit of history. You really smoked it. I got a bang out of it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I aimed for greatness.

[@ObservantHistorian]

"The general public doesn't have a working knowledge of what really happened" can be said about pretty much any historical event or period.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I am referring to the fact that most folks I have spoken with get their knowledge of the OK Corral from movies. I got my knowledge of WWII Solomon Islands campaign from my father who fought in it, not from a film about it.

[@ponydiehl8775]

I have knowledge now that I watched the vid😃👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@ponydiehl8775 Great!

[@ObservantHistorian]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I meant no personal dig at you, if it came across that way. I quoted the way it was expressed because I think it was well said about the OK Corral, and generally applicable to history in general.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@ObservantHistorian I took no offense! I just was clarifying my statement, because it does sound a little generic.

[@jmuraidajr]

What was the distance between the buildings some say 15 feet? But a lot of the shootout was part way in the street, wasn't it? Time was 30 seconds and 30 shots or there abouts is that correct?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

However wide a lot was. Yes, some of it went into Freemont street. Frank McLaury died on Freemont street.

[@johnzeszut3170]

I read that the big gun down happened in an empty lot next to the O.K. Corral.....

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Kinda behind it actually.

[@johnzeszut3170]

@@ArizonaGhostriders It would not sound the same with "The Gunfight Next To The O.K. Corral" or in the back of the Corral....

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@johnzeszut3170 Yeah, that's how it was reported to the press, and the journalists changed it to "At the OK Corral"

[@jimmythetout109]

Nova , rana doc several years ago , on PBS ....which used information , including eye-witness accounts ......from the Tombstone town hall .......which shows / proves clearly that the shoot-out took place in a space between 2 buildings .....the back wall , of which , separated that space ....from the OK Corral ..The space was approx 16 feet wide , the shootout took less than 30 seconds .

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yeah, the other house is gone now (Harwood house) but it was, like I outlined in the diagram, a very tight spot.

[@bryanbick1016]

The still picture claiming to be the gunfight site in the 40’s is incorrect. It actually shows the rear entrance of the ok Corral on Freemont Street.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🤠

[@rhondaz356]

Another great video, Santee and company... You NEVER disappoint. *I think you have the best correlating audios and videos of all the KZbin channels.🤠 Arguably, the most famous shootout in all Western history, and there are still some *questionable aspects... Now, to go back and read the coroner's report.👏🌵👏

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you like them!

[@RedProg]

Yep...."A wealth of knowledge" appreciate you folks

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@ParaisoSensorial]

New friend here. Congratulations for this perfect video. Happy Sunday. Greetings. 🔔💕1521

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You! Welcome to the channel.

[@oldkbellguy5156]

Perfect Saturday morning viewing!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You!

[@palerider7171]

I think Tom Calvin’s “Tombstone” does a good job recounting the events. You may want to read his work “Dodge City” first. Though it doesn’t focus totally on the Earp’s and some parts are repeated in “Tombstone” it does background context to Wyatt and other players life before the move to Tombstone.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks.

[@martimus81]

The thing many people, and most of Hollyweird, get wrong about the shootout is that it was not a battle between good and bad. It was a battle between bad and worse. The Clantons were part of the Cochise County Cowboys. They were cattle thieves, killers, and all around bad hombres. The Earps were lawmen and wore badges. In his spare time, however, Wyatt Earp was believed to have a partnership interest in the Oriental Saloon and gambling (Faro). It was also rumored that he had some control over prostitution in the town. Wyatt had a reputation for pistol whipping anyone who stood up to him. The Earps used the law to protect their financial interests in town.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Yup! Kinda what I was saying. Neither party wore "white hats"

[@thomassmestead9905]

My favorite was "Tombstone". It wasn't necessarily historically accurate, but I loved the movie, anyway. And yeah, it didn't happen at the corral, itself, but way I heard it, in an adjacent empty lot.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Correct, it was an unofficial exit behind in an empty lot.

[@AlphaTraveler1]

Hey Santee, your videos always give me something to think about or teach me something I didnt know. LOL. Super Cool my friend. 👍👍👍👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad to hear it!

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Another great episode! I really enjoyed my visit to Tombstone. JT

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@chelseadanico877]

Very interesting and informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it. I learned a lot about the OK corral from the old west. I got a lot of inspiration for the old west/classic retro sci-fi/weird fiction story I’m writing.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thank You! Glad it inspired you.

[@chelseadanico877]

@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks and your welcome 🌟😎👍🏼

[@henryscarhead6119]

So it was actually in a vacant lot just behind OK corral and not actually in OK corral. a different question, was the whole OK Corral thing a Public Pay Parking for horses?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Livery stable, curry/feed your horse, maybe even a blacksmith.

[@WhatIsYourMalfunction]

Maybe a video on the guns used at the shootout?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Sure.

[@glucausa625]

Arizona Ghostriders thank you. Do we know what guns and calibers both the Cowboys and Earps used at the OK Coral shootout?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

All of the firearms were taken by law enforcement and put in a room. I haven't really done a lot of research into them.

[@glucausa625]

@@ArizonaGhostriders are those firearms anywhere (museums) to be seen by the public? I bet some may have under up in private collections. Thank you for all your videos. I’m a born and raised Italian who’s fortunate enough to have moved to West Texas. Needless to say that I love the Old West.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

@@glucausa625 The courthouse museum in Tombstone has what they claim is Wyatt's, and I don't know about the others. Maybe private collections, maybe some are in the Cody Museum or some such place. I'm sure Ike picked up Billy's gun after the law stuff was over and the McLaury's had another brother there who no doubt got theirs.

[@glucausa625]

@@ArizonaGhostriders thank you. 🇺🇸

[@shooterqqqq]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Wyatt used a Smith and Wesson "American" which I believe was a .44 heeled Bullet. Tom and Frank had Colt Frontiers. Doc had a "nickle plated" gun and a Wells Fargo shotgun. Wells Fargo used two types of shotgun. Long and short barreled and 12 and 10 gauge. No one knows which he used but someone did buy "it".

[@jerseyred9554]

Always great to see Dan in an episode, but where's Scourgette ?

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Getting bitten by a 3-year old girl.

[@JimBailey]

Thank you so much Santee: That was really interesting. Will check out the link you posted. Thanks again. :)

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

My pleasure!

[@silvereagle1960]

I would like to see an episode about Mysterious Dave Mather, my relative!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Will do

[@silvereagle1960]

@@ArizonaGhostriders Mysterious Dave Mather seems to be the most underrated gunfighter in the west and was connected to the most famous gun fighters in the west, and not included, or mentioned in western movies?

[@adamobrien4088]

Awesome as always bud! Well done 👍

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Thanks again!

[@chelseadanico877]

Great job and well done. I’m definitely going to be adding a old West shoot out to my old West/classic retro sci-fi/weird fiction story I’m writing. I’ll be combining it with esoteric occult concepts to make it even more interesting.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

🤠

[@chelseadanico877]

@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks 🌟😎👍🏼

[@Frankie5Angels150]

Sounds like you’re all over the place with it.

[@nagjrcjasonbower]

Getting the true story out and keeping history alive!

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

We may never know the whole story...sadly.

[@mcwatersd]

Over the years I have seen so many versions of this event I often wondered what was the real story' Thank you for giving new insight into it in an awesome manner. Great video. Tried to read the Coroners report with difficulty due to the brown line down the center . Keep Safe ❤Keep Well ❤

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I copy and pasted it to a blank document, then cleaned up the grammar. Try that.

[@mcwatersd]

@@ArizonaGhostriders I certainly will go back and check that out Thank you

[@indigowolf556]

I really loved watching this video you did on the OK corral. Thanks again Santee!!!!🤠🤠🤠

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@seymourwrasse3321]

for the most part, the movie version is always played by older men, Jason Robards was pushing 50 when he played Doc Holliday that was dead at 36 six years after the battle

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

Wyatt Earp with Costner may be the closest to the way it happened.

[@ontherunplmr1218]

I have the Time Life Old West Series from the 1970's, in one book there is a document by Virgil Earp talking about keeping certain Policemen on the force, why did he not call for them to help that day ? As a Brit I visited Tombstone and the area some years ago and for a big birthday Dodge City this year, the museum in Dodge is one of the very best museums I have visited anywhere.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I hope to check it out.

[@toddandrews9829]

This shootout has so many different tellings and viewpoints it's never going to be settled. I would like to see one about Reilly and the shooting at the "Crossing" just for your take on it.

[@ArizonaGhostriders]

I'll look into it.