Are The TikToks of Trump & Vance’s Cat-Eating Lies an Effective Counter Misinformation Strategy?

[@primrosed2338]

Just finished the Unite for Springfield zoom event proceeds going to support Support Center and the Springfield City School District to help Haitian families. They raised almost $83,000 in an hour and had to set two new goals because they reached both in less than 20 minutes. This is what America is about. 🇺🇸💙

[@Lexi-RC]

That’s awesome. I wonder if we were given the option while paying taxes to pay extra to a local school or public program. I wonder if that would promote people to support programs they believe in and it would incentivize people to engage and promote their interests. Giving people a choice instead of complaining about raising taxes.

[@sue27june04]

Thank you for sharing such a wonderful story. 💙💙💙💙

[@renekelly4199]

And one of the worst things about Trump & Vance steamrolling over Springfield is that Vance is still supposed to be one of our senators here in Ohio, yet hes doing this.

[@Liliarthan]

And It’s gaslighting at its worst.

[@time4sanity]

If Heritage, etc., get their way and trump were to prevail, it would not be long before JD becomes president (they'd initiate the 25th against an obviously cognitive impaired trump!)

[@fingerman4086]

Racist fervor that not only damages the already weakened view of immigrants but ignores the massive tax revenue increase those same immigrants have brought in. He literally said he didn’t care if they came into the US legally, he’s still gonna call them illegals

[@carbine090909]

No no dear. He's protecting you! Your job is to protect your bio children, not to worry your pretty little head about politics. It is... pretty, ... right? Oohhh. Rene with one 'e'... One of those traaans naaames. 👀

[@miacarbery2585]

@@carbine090909no no dear. Vance is spewing rhetoric that encourages violence in the community. There have been bomb threats, and schools shut down over something he has admitted is made up for attention. Legal, Haitian community members have likely had to suffer as well. Why are you personally attacking the original commenter? Weird.

[@time4sanity]

Good discussion! Congrats, Max!!!! Point not to be ignored...the more we're talking about Haitians eating pets, THE LESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECT 2025 & trump's obvious cognitive decline and criminality & corruption!

[@edwin5419]

💯

[@laurelrobbins8673]

Absolutely!

[@Vahlee-A]

And the fact remains even if we defeat Trump this time, P25 will still be ready for the next Republican president. Thanks to the Heritage Foundation, we'll never be rid of it. There is literally no way to get rid of it. The only way to keep it out of our elections is for Democrats to win forever in the future. And it won't be possible forever because Dems are becoming more and more right-wing.

[@nitePhyyre]

Isn't actually taking about his mental decline?

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

Sharks, Big sharks; come up to me with tears in their eyes, saying:- "SIR, Why is my windmill giving me electric shocks?"

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Thanks for the giggle. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@Rain_Reign]

@@tammystockley-loughlin7680hey NH! I’m a New Hampshire native, and it’s always enjoyable to run into people from my beautiful home state. Hope the leaves are good this year 🍁♥️

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

@Rain_Reign turning quick, windy rain last night...but still kinda warm. I'll take it, my scrawny bones don't look forward to the cold.

[@cynthiamartin9374]

@@tammystockley-loughlin7680At least your scrawny bones are still fun to read and you still have warmth in your heart!!

[@Go-Dawgs]

I want Intelligent Members of Government, Not Anyone Backed With Cash By Heritage Foundation.

[@floridamanrides863]

You know there’s more $$$ in the Democratic Party than the Republican.

[@thebookelf2135]

​@@floridamanrides863Heritage is extremely well funded.

[@TimThat]

@@floridamanrides863You’re saying the Heritage Foundation fund the Democrats more than the Republicans?

[@reaperdragon1]

Heritage foundation is 1 of hundreds of groups that corrupt both sides of our government. This comment is extremely nieve

[@floridamanrides863]

@@TimThat no. Heritage is on the Right Are you saying the left doesn’t have their equivalent foundations?

[@laurelrobbins8673]

Congratulations, Max, on your engagement! I wish you all the happiness!

[@thehoboman]

Media literacy should be a requirement to graduate from middle school.

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

But who would mark the exams in the red states?

[@SunFlower-xr2ov]

30 years ago I worked in a school where the English teachers were requiring students to evaluate the validity of the websites they were getting their information. Did teachers stop doing that?

[@sedg83]

And a remedial class all adults needs to take. They'll call that reeducation camps and make it sinister

[@RandomEDdoc]

Some middle schools do offer media literacy. But I talked to a student taking the class about a movie he watched and he couldn’t come up with a single thing he learned from watching the movie that related to what I would expect would be the objectives of a class like that 😒

[@atticusandwinifred3274]

My kids grade school starts online media literacy in kindergarten. Of course it’s pretty simple in the start.

[@PhinClio]

I think your conclusion about the way people treat neighbors IRL vs on social media is _way_ too optimistic. Before social media existed, in genocide after genocide, from the Holocaust to Rwanda to Bosnia, people who once got along with their neighbors ended up killing them. Violent authoritarian politics can overwhelm personal ties pretty easily. That woman apologizing to her Haitian neighbor still had her Trump gear on. If I were her neighbor, I certainly wouldn't count on her help if Trump wins in November and the mass deportations begin. Don't get me wrong; social media can encourage genocide. But traditional mass media like radio, tv, and the print media have been more than enough in the past. And there's no magic of neighborliness that can protect marginalized populations when it happens.

[@JM-ot8ux]

That's what really annoys me about self-satisfied types who bleat, "Aw, Jeter, yeah, he's all kinda right wing, but _ he's all right, he's my good fishin' buddy, he won't hurt me._

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

@@JM-ot8ux Bad folks need to be told they are repugnant.

[@fwdcnorac8574]

Agreed. I've already got death threats from neighbors in my old neighborhood. Moved to a blue state after authorities laughed it off.

[@lisawall9068]

@@fwdcnorac8574 I’m sad to hear you had neighbors so bad that you moved 😥. I hope you’re in a healthier happier situation now.🩷

[@anthill1510]

Yeah, I am from Germany and I can`t remember social media being the problem that caused the atrocities in our history. That woman will apologize until the climate is such that she can shout this without her daughter telling her to go apologize.

[@curtisevans4100]

Reading conservative social media makes me despair for America. Conservatives used to talk about the founders, well the founders thought we needed a virtuous citizenry to have a republic. Conspicuously lacking in conservative social media is any concept of personal virtue. Being anti-trans and anti-abortion is supposed to substitute for personal virtue and decency.

[@therealbatman-mi3kc]

Went from celebrating America to being their favorite punching bag. Hell of a change in under 20 years

[@umjackd]

It did often feel like "what the founders would want" was open to their interpretation in their favour, but at least they pretended to aspire to virtuous behaviour. Inside a right wing Internet bubble, open prejudice and "dunking on libs" is said openly for what it is.

[@youtubewatcher2]

That left the room permanently when SCOTUS invented presumed immunity of the President.

[@havcola6983]

The conservatives talking about personal virtue etc are not missing, they have rebranded themselves into a particular branch of self-help and now claim to be apolitical. Which arguably is more of a cult-like approach: Find people who are struggling, give them tools and advice that might help them but will also lead them towards a conservative mindset. And occasionally sneak in an overt political message as if it was just part of the whole.

[@JM-ot8ux]

That's just 21st century American Chrisstianity. Stinks like a urinal cake.

[@bh8281]

Tristan is doing fantastic work. It takes a lot of work and thought to both recognize these huge cracks in our society (and issues coming in the future), and then formulate plausible solutions to those problems. I feel better that people like Tristan are in our corner as we take on this fight.

[@syyneater]

I don’t disagree, but I’m not sold on the comparison between the US beating China to social media vs China beating the US in AI. Social media can easily be weaponized, but AI has a much greater chance to be weaponized in a number of different directions all at once. It doesn’t feel like it’s a simple matter of integrating AI into society to achieve a ‘win’ (the idea of winning in an AI race feels very fluid). It’s integration while also protecting society at large from harmful AI and that’s a tall order. Even if you add safety blocks in one area, that’s still just a single country. You can’t really prevent a hostile power from using it to build a better weapon, nor can you really stop the defense industry from using those black budgets for some truly heinous purposes. I’m not sure what the solution is, but it’s an absolutely fascinating topic. In the infosec world we’ve been seeing machine learning get better at detecting attacks, but the bad guys are also using them to make even better malware. It’s hard to unring a bell.

[@jhearts9078]

Your Tristan Harris interview is eyeopening, informative and elicits the need for further understanding. Thank you!

[@philipc8280]

I recommend the social dilemma and AI dilemma if you haven't seen them yet

[@eleriloki6275]

Thank you for this podcast. I'm very impressed with Tristan Harris' work to make social media social again and bring it back to its original intent of bringing people, ideas, creativity, etc. together. That's how progress happens. Instead its become the complete opposite - devisive, dumbing down, propagandist, etc. There will always be bad actors but on today's social media hiding behind an avatar means you can be as stupid and crazy as you want with no recourse. I hope at some point we can get rid of the avatars and keep people from hiding who they really are. Connect them to their words and hold them accountable for them.

[@JDubbyDubby]

I got off social media about a year ago. By far away, it is the absolute best thing I ever did from my mental health! I had no idea how much time I was spending scrolling my life away. I deleted all those apps. I only watch KZbin now no shorts.

[@sharkulashairstylist5505]

Yeah buddy, claim your life back. You notice flowers dogs your children how dirty the home is... it's nice to not care about internet BS... exfacebook since 2012, the tea party got me offline... I love this show. Real talk

[@Cillekat]

KZbin is also social media...

[@philipc8280]

@@Cillekat Absolutely but if you turn off autoplay it's pretty tame

[@jimmybass375]

Same. I consume a few podcasts on YT, and find it useful for looking up instructional stuff too. Deleted FB years ago, never had any of the others.

[@WinnieHoneyBeeTea]

Facts

[@joannesterling7905]

Amazing conversation with Tristan Harris , thank you both !

[@marchalthomas6591]

The fact that people are dancing and having fun with the song is counter effective. Imagine having the same fun with rumors about jews or trans to understand it's essentially making this rumor "acceptable" and "fun" instead of truly mocking Trump.

[@sport1girl]

I disagree. It mocks how ridiculously silly and ____ they are

[@marchalthomas6591]

@@sport1girl sure but it's like if the teletubbies were making a little song about gas chambers. It lacks gravitas in my humble opinion. Especially in its 15 seconds version, where you don't hear the moderator refuting his disgusting lie.

[@TPaine76]

@@sport1girlsomeone made a similar point by saying “they couldn’t imagine anyone who wouldn’t laugh at Trump’s comments” and I asked whether or not they thought the Haitian immigrants who were afraid to come out of their houses found it particularly amusing. It’s annoying to be criticized for having fun with something so clearly ridiculous. I’m not here to judge TikTok remixes or tell people that their humor has “crossed a line”. I just think it’s important to remember that Trump is a unique threat because he’s both mind-blowingly ignorant AND unabashedly cruel. Sometimes hyper-focusing on the ignorance takes the focus off the cruelty.

[@dismurrart6648]

​@sport1girl I fully understand that you guys are just having fun. I'm working to deprogram my mentee. Her girlfriend literally thinks this is true though. What is fun and games for you is helping to spread a conspiracy that resurfaces every few years to justify threatening immigrants. I've had people make this joke about me before. It's not fun when you're on the recieving end.

[@reaperdragon1]

You left out that we are the reason Haiti doesn't have a stable government

[@RealBradMiller]

A million times yes!!!

[@pecan8637]

How so? Genuinely, I don’t know about this.

[@havcola6983]

@@pecan8637 The usual. Installing leaders in foreign countries then deposing them when they stop doing what they're told. Allegedly. The ousted former president of Haiti and the US contradict each other on whether or not the US had a hand in the 2004 coup, and I'd be lying if I said I found him particularly trustworthy.

[@nathg.1855]

“We” being the U.S….

[@JPatrick-vl5rj]

Thank you for noting that it is imperialism, from the USA, and France, that created and continues to perpetuate the chaos that keeps Haiti poor and ungovernable.

[@jessicamarcus5158]

Congratulations Max!! Also I died at Max calling Jon out for tapping his phone on the Offline pod😅

[@TXRhody]

Jon couldn't sit still. I've never seen someone move so much sitting in a chair. Maybe he should lay off the Dunkin.

[@GFJDean35]

WOW Tristan is gosh darn insightful!!! More platforming this man please!

[@davidduffield7902]

This Tristan Harris Interview is PHENOMENAL, BREAKTHROUGH... he's very good on his topic but the ease of the interview was exceptional. HAVE HIM BACK ASAP.

[@elizabethbetts3834]

Congratulations Max!!🎉🎉

[@IrisNelson]

Another great interview by Jon. I could listen to Tristan Harris hours.

[@tylerhackner9731]

People need to stop believing everything they read online

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

Reputable sources are not sourced by foolish people.

[@CoraxCatcher]

Including don’t believe number of views, number of likes, number of subscribers, etc…. Assume you’re being manipulated, because you are the product.

[@conor7154]

Yeah. And everything they hear online too. Like what a bunch of Brooklyn dwelling Jewish people say about how great it is when hoards of Haitians come in to a town 1500 miles away from them.

[@floridamanrides863]

You do realize you are watching Crooked Media right? When they say it, you should believe them. When they deny it, you should be skeptical. When they can prove it, you should trust them.

[@whovian_scarf_dragon]

It's human nature to have a confirmation bias, even with above normal critical thinking skills. I really wanted to believe the story of JD Vance and the couch. I often rationalize that the story is true because Vance has never denied the rumor

[@sleepygoblin87]

Thank goodness for this man & his Center for Humane Technology. It actually gives me some hope. I also love it because I am fascinated by psychology and neuroscience.

[@christinacaro6292]

Love "Your Undivided Attention" and the work the CHT is doing. Thank you for doing this episode!

[@jamesworkshoppe]

I got onto Next Door by way of my sister's invitation, and then deleted it after perhaps two days. I had Facebook flashbacks and effing hated all the notifications. I haven't had a Facebook account for maybe four or five years; my mental health is better for it.

[@dismurrart6648]

I describe it as the hoa of social media

[@karenm2334]

Next Door is a cesspool.

[@flyingartgirls1]

Glad i was ENGAGED enough to listen to BOTH interviews!

[@og_ladyo]

Actually, in Ohio, if you can prove your residence in the state, you can get a license. Look it up. The state of Ohio does not require its residents to take a driving test. It's Ohio's state law that produces bad drivers. Stop blaming Haitians for bad driving. Change the fucking law.

[@derronhall495]

I looked it up. It's untrue. First you get a learner's permit, then you take a driving course and after six months you take your road test. Then you get a license. That's according to the government site.

[@jaekae13]

As someone from Ohio... This is not true. (Unless something has changed in the past decade or so, since I was last there.) Every state does tend to have different requirements for things like how old you need to be to get your learner's permit, how old you need to be to get your license, how many hours of driving you must practice, and whether or not driver's ed is required. But Ohio is no worse in that regard than any other state (and is better than some). You still must get a learner's permit first, and you still must pass both a written test and a driving test (at the DMV/DoL) with a certified instructor. The driving test is pass/fail. There is no limit as to how many times you can retake the test, but you MUST pass it before you can obtain your driver's license. To my knowledge, that is true in every state. Some states have insanely (imo) few restrictions about what is required to get your learner's permit, but to get an actual license, as far as I know, all 50 states require you to pass a practical driving exam at the very least. (It is, however, true that a learner's permit does allow you to drive on public roads like anyone else... BUT you must have a licensed adult in the passenger seat with you, and they typically must be over the age of 21. Most states require you to pass a written exam in order to get your permit, but no practical test is required. People can disagree about whether or not that is safe for other drivers on the road, but it's permitted in every state, not just Ohio.)

[@jaekae13]

Addendum: if you're talking about licensed drivers moving to Ohio from other states, then it is true that you do not need to retake any test in order to get an Ohio driver's license- you only need to prove residency and show a valid driver's license that was issued in another state. But that would still make your comment disingenuous, as a license from any other state IS still required. (I do not know what the regulations are for immigrants who obtained their licenses in other countries, but I would hazard a guess that it's different depending on the country in which you obtained the license.)

[@Starlysh]

As a Ohioan, as long as I prove I’m a resident, I can get a state ID, but it is definitely not the same as a drivers license. You still need to take all the required steps and tests for getting a temp and then drivers license.

[@Zastrutzki]

How does the US still not have electronic identification? We've had is since 2004 here in Belgium. I do my taxes with it, I use it when I go vote... It's not hard. The tech has been around for ever.

[@whysoserious8666]

Actually we do. To access the Social Security system Americans need to have the electronic “ID.me” account. A little late to the game, and I suspect it’s unlikely conservatives would not allow it to be expanded to voting.

[@MageMaggie]

Because then it would be easier for people to vote and that’s bad for Republicans

[@mollymclean-xj3qd]

When I saw Tristan, hit play and am settling in!!!

[@joygsighd2750]

Jon, I believe it’s Miss Sassy. 😻

[@anabltc]

honestly think that "eating the dogs eating the cats" is becoming "jumping the shark" moment, pun not intended

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

Sharks, Big sharks; come up to me with tears in their eyes, saying:- "SIR, Why is my windmill giving me electric shocks?"

[@robertglover8490]

What an incredible interview. Thank you so much for doing it!

[@nathg.1855]

Great interview with Tristan Harris. My only complaint is that it wasn’t longer. Congrats on the engagement Max!

[@mrbqkc]

wow! ok so I've been a fan of Offline since the beginning but Tristan might be my favorite guest! I'm definitely going to watch more of his stuff now.

[@dribrom]

You could hear roomers in Medieval Europe that Gypsies was eating pets too. It's an old classic.

[@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi]

They didn’t. They ate everything in Medieval Europe

[@brucegruetzmacher5891]

Everyone knows that really happened.

[@dribrom]

@@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi No Gypsies doesn't eat horse, cats or dogs. There is some religious reasons to it that forbids it. Snake and Frogs are also forbidden food for the Gypsies.

[@amyrugala246]

Great interview! Thank you!!!!!

[@susanwade4796]

🎉 Congratulation Max! It's a Big step, but totally worth it. & Thanks for raising awareness of the Dangers that kids may face On-Line. 🤗💙Hugs to ya both, & your families.

[@cassandratq9301]

The non-algorithmic feed is the most important thing. And what Instagram most wants to avoid.

[@hanstoli6289]

Why do they want to avoid it? I genuinely know little about it

[@fwdcnorac8574]

​@@hanstoli6289because the algorithm causes discord and arguments. It seeks to cause them. Heated arguments lead to more clicks. More clicks=more $. Social media profits off Americans tearing each other apart online.

[@grantbaltare]

I'm trying to figure out what does "non-algorithmic feed" even mean? Every process is an algorithm. Any delivery of content is a feed. Google search results are an algorithmic feed. Navigating to this video uses an algorithm to deliver the webpage and video feed your device. Is it a short hand for a particular problematic content delivery? The phrase seems so extremely vague along the lines of more common tropes like calling things "chemicals" or "natural". If there is a problem here I think we would do better to articulate it more clearly.

[@philipc8280]

@@grantbaltare I literally work on content recommendation tech for a living and know exactly what they're talking about. Stop being disingenuous

[@philipc8280]

@@hanstoli6289 The algorithms blindly pursue maximum engagement for ad revenue purposes. What we've discovered by using society as guinea pigs, is that outrage drives engagement more than anything else. A natural consequence of outrage engagement is escalation, the content gets continually more and more outrageous. The result is political radicalization. Scroll through Elon Musk's social media comments over the years and you can see it happen in real time.

[@pizzaparlor2737]

Can'tGeorgia also unofficially do a simultaneous computer count , for when the handcount is inevitably challenged?

[@roslynmgreen]

The story by Ursula Le Guin that Max refers to is "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas". It is a parable for our times. Sadly, I think we all live in Omelas and can't really walk away from it. But at least Max and Jon call out the cruelty. Thanks, guys 💙

[@JDubbyDubby]

John is looking buff! Look at the guns 💪 the pod save of America boys. Making dads in their 40s look good. 😂❤😊

[@baldalicious]

Hey KZbin podcasters! Pay attention to the setting in the Max Fisher interview. This guy knows how to set up his environment. The camera angle... not wide angle placed low and blah blah... Longer focal length and A DEPTH OF FIELD WHICH SOFT FOCUSES THE BACKGROUND. This is how it always, ALWAYS should be done. Okay, enough ranting but it's nice to see someone who understands these things.

[@Liliarthan]

Shows his user experience background and prowess

[@Daniel-rp7nb]

Didn’t he just turn on blur-background?

[@Daniel-rp7nb]

I think his mic usage was more impressive- speaking low but close to the mic- a real 9%-invisible vibe

[@elizabethbetts3834]

It’s great the lady felt bad and apologized but why was that the first thing that came to her mind when her cat went missing? Like…what!? Unless…

[@JM-ot8ux]

She's still Trump trash.

[@levonsmallwood6078]

Good question

[@Liliarthan]

Oh it’s 100% racism. She employed the classic “guilty until undeniably proven to be innocent”.

[@anthill1510]

Yap, she will say nothing when they come to take her neighbors away.

[@rexjantze296]

​@@LiliarthanYou gotta love the new version: You have no evidence that it's not true.

[@jamesmelemede5610]

Jon is a very good interviewer. good listener, doesn't make it about himself. A+

[@TorbenL1965]

Tristan is great. So good to have someone on that actually understands the business side of social media as well as the human/psychological side of it.

[@jugsteve]

Phenomenal interview. So glad he has continued his work after yhe Social Dilemma

[@tyroga]

We don’t need age verification! We need parents to be parents and use the freaking parental controls that phones and computers have had for a decade now!

[@djcali001]

Yes, forgive me if I don’t want to turn over even more of my personal data to social media companies just because some people can’t supervise their children properly. Have children, don’t have children, it’s absolutely your right but the rest of society shouldn’t be required to sacrifice what little privacy we have left to another “won’t someone please think of the children law” because you took on more responsibility than you can handle.

[@bluetextbooks]

Xenophobia wins in this country. The message needs to shift to women's rights!

[@conor7154]

How do the residents of Springfield feel? Have you asked them? It’s so curious how progressives are so eager for more 3rd world violent immigrants to come in. As long as it’s to a town thousands of miles away from them…

[@fwdcnorac8574]

Yeah, minorities need to shelve their fears of being strung up right now and we need to focus on women. Sorry brown people, priorities. You're on your own. 🙄

[@AM-fs1je]

Gynophobia.

[@jameskollinger5488]

"Every time we make a user make a choice, as a designer, we see that as a failure." That quote is so damning to me. Every time you give a user freedom, that's considered a failure in design. Right in the middle of talking about how today's use of infinite scroll was an unintended side effect of an otherwise benign invention, they admit that the true intention that we see today was inherent in the design philosophy.

[@Zmac808]

Congratulations on the engagement, Max! Also it’s the smallest note but I totally do the screen tap thing too with an upside down screen especially at work.

[@SeanGHOB]

"What about Apple?" says a man who, apparently, is not aware that iPhones are not the only smartphones available.

[@natbarmore]

I’m pretty sure in this case, that’s clumsy, inaccurate shorthand for “the manufacturers, retailers, and service providers”. That said, it doesn’t seem like the panacea Jon implies it would be. I’m betting most people under 16 who have a smartphone didn’t buy it themselves. So determining age would trace it back to the over-18 parent who paid for it. Probably true for a majority of 16- and 17-year-olds, too. So now you have to layer on some way to capture whether the phone is for the purchaser or for someone else, and rely on them being both truthful and accurate. And what happens when a parent buys a phone for themselves and then fined it to their kid 2-3 years later when they buy a newer phone for themselves? Also, what if Favreau really _did_ mean just Apple phones, precisely because having the hardware, software, and user accounts all provided by the same company makes this sort of thing easier? Would we want to _not_ do it just because it would only help _some_ kids?

[@justinphemister5813]

'How's that wine aging?' Damn!! Hahaha

[@marclegarreta]

Honestly, I love Jon and Max. Max has such a nice voice. It’s very soothing!

[@oliviastory]

Ask Haitians in Springfield if it's an unsuccessful campaign.

[@conor7154]

Ask the actual residents of Springfield how they feel about the very peaceful and respectful Haitians coming into their town. It’s so interesting how progressives never want to actually ask the people dealing with this what they think. I guess that’s because they’re the, as Hillary so eloquently put it, “deplorables”, right?

[@mbprim]

@@conor7154it's amusing to watch white people hate and fear immigrants so much. Over the past 700 years, white people violently immigrated here and killed 98% of the Native American population who was here for tens of thousands of years. I guess one could say, karma.

[@havcola6983]

​@@conor7154 I think you'll find that you've confused listening to someone with platforming someone. Local concerns are an important part of proper integration (something that progressives are _very_ keen on) but that does not mean the left are under obligation to put the worst Nimby's on tv.

[@Maxpower644]

@@conor7154Because it’s rooted in racist fear mongering nonsense trying to label an “other” and use dehumanizing language against a marginalized group. There are no “people on the ground” reporting this. It’s all lies because you want racial violence. You want pogroms throughout the country. Same as it ever was.

[@oliviastory]

@@conor7154I’ve heard Springfield residents interviewed on this subject as well as town hall meetings. What I was referring to in my comment was the effectiveness of the racist propaganda.

[@quijote5491]

the interview with Tristan was really interesting, and made me go watch the Social dilemma. I am now trying to do their 'social media cleanse'. truly eye opening

[@doktortutankamazon31]

Empire City sounds great ! We seriously need police reforms. From Canton to Milwaukee to Los Angeles. Throwing more and more money at a broken system is toxic. Look at NYC police overtime budget under Adams. Ridiculous. Great show ! Thanks !!

[@JWHealing]

I confess I clicked on this video hoping to see some fun tik tok cat eating stuff but stayed for the great content re. Humane technology ideas. Thanks! 🙏🏼

[@octosalias5785]

We are always memeing and quoting him and it only helps him, he needs to fade into obscurity but we wont let him

[@katiecandelario]

After you’re 13, apple doesn’t require parent’s permission to download apps. That’s why, when I gave my 15 year-old his first phone, I made him a 9 year-old in his apple ID!

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Clever Katie!! Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@emvandermeulen1908]

It is not the first Crooked engagement. Ask Lovett.

[@RoundingThird]

The mayor of Springfield makes a whopping $15,000 per year and has to deal with the problems Trump and Vance have created.

[@titaniumteddybear]

Every social media group has to, at some point, make a decision: are they going to ban people who are being bigoted? If they decide not to then the group goes on a one-way trip to Crazy Town. The only question is how long it takes them to get there.

[@shanainkman2349]

I love the Ursula K LeGuin reference! Somewhat obscure, Max. Nice work. 🎉

[@astridafklinteberg298]

I’m 59 and my daughter is 35. We didn’t have a television at home when she was growing up (I still don’t have one…I know). I have absolutely no idea how I would navigate this world today.

[@mfavaloro6052]

I grew up the opposite 😂 my dad was a radio operator WWII, fixed radios & TVs in the FIFTIES! We had one in every room. I'm 72 & have had a computer since 1987. Trust me, you ARE FORTUNATE! Stay unplugged💙

[@juleofthetarot]

But you have a phone that you can watch tv on.

[@jmoore9157]

We have a television but it’s basically on for football games. Most of today’s tele content is garbage and not worth my time.

[@juleofthetarot]

@@jmoore9157 there are so many great shows on. Maybe not network television I cable…

[@shawnh9590]

As someone currently working on a prototype of a social media project that is specifically designed to *not* prioritize engagement, I really enjoyed Tristan Harris's discussion on how to address the many issues around social media and technology. I've come to many of the same conclusions in terms of the many problematic design decisions that are made in the name of driving up engagement (or decisions they decide *not* to make because it will hurt engagement). It's a hard problem to solve since there is always an impossible balance of competing concerns and because any such system will always have both positive and negative aspects.

[@angelinaveneziano5303]

As a Club Penguin kid, more spaces need to be made for them.

[@v-zr9cz]

I am horrified that we think age verification is a good idea. Meta does not need anyone’s real identity. We need to push toward true online anonymity and require social media companies to put out ethical products for EVERYONE.

[@aaronheim7770]

Can we move on from cats and dogs, please? Your doing trump a service

[@MAC-op5fc]

I don't think we can or should. It's important that we remind people that this story was completely made up by people who are running for Pres and VP of our country.

[@valeriereishuk5112]

Next Door App & FB Group topics: 1) Immigrants stealing kids 2) Immigrants eating dogs 3) Bikes should be outlawed

[@dragoff_dragon]

"I saw a strange person on the corner" isn't helpful in any way.

[@Dako108]

“If you show me the incentive I will show you the outcome “ incentive is defined as ‘the thing that motivates or encourages someone to do something’ The original word origin of incentive is ‘ incantare’ which means “to charm, enchant or bewitch’. Social media has the effect of bewitching us into a kind of thinking without our being aware of what’s happening.

[@dragoff_dragon]

I think the GOP targets gullible people.

[@AM-fs1je]

If you think about it for a moment, tho, you know you're being manipulated.

[@elizabethayiteyfio4555]

Wow. Thank you both for upleveling the conversation on this subject. How we need this in the public square until it becomes our nomenclature. Nicely done🙏🏽😍

[@Silica_Packer]

Did you hear his speech in NY? " They are eating the bagels! They are eating the croisants. "

[@chrissyl6911]

Learned a lot from Marc! Thanks for having him on

[@mina-ala]

Great interview with Tristan!!! Very important topic, and he's a great communicator

[@63Lsp]

Tristan is excellent at articulating big changes, big ideas in a very accessible way. I found myself taking notes around my (paper) crossword puzzle😃

[@ndeluca77]

I know that i spend WAY too much time mindlessly scrolling on FB and this video finally convinced me to just delete the app off my phone

[@pjgoldstein6562]

A month ago, "eat the cat" meant something very different.

[@anthill1510]

It still does. The person making that beat put this in on purpose.

[@Startingpointtraining]

Oh don't worry; this sound is all over lesbian tiktok for that very reason

[@peggygiesecke3852]

Why is Trump so worried about the cats and dogs? He doesn't even like them!

[@emilyc8262]

Because 20,000 migrants suddenly appeared in a town of 60,000

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Suddenly over a decade. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@dragoff_dragon]

Never trust a man who's never had a pet ..

[@emilyc8262]

@@dragoff_dragon Never trust someone who leaves borders wide open, censors American citizens & creates double-digit inflation like Special K

[@jupiterzirkua196]

Big major ANTI for putting my ID up to any social media, especially because I don't have one. Theyre expensive! And we absolutely don't need to be forfeiting any more of our privacy to these people. That doesn't keep teens safer. It also assumes a world where every teen has kind parents who love them, which is not the world I lived in.

[@kimambrose1018]

I'm a blue dot in Ohio, can we appreciate an old school Republican like Governor Dewine compared to Trump and JD Vance. Dewine debunked this rumor, so did the Republican Mayo of Springfield.

[@rjridge6791]

In college we hate a duck, several geese, and a deer. All of us are very white, and we brought our country ways to college with us.

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

All those are culinary delicacies

[@rjridge6791]

@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence Geese are extremely tasty!

[@juicesnap]

Honestly, it would be better for all of us if the whole population regardless of age had to opt into algorithmic feed and had a time curfew restrict on social media.

[@AM-fs1je]

Self-discipline?

[@LiluBob]

Thank you, I cannot even begin to tell you how important this interview with Tristan Harris is to someone like me. And to everybody who listened to it. I just turned 70, and I am unusual in that as a young woman I was in the military and learning about computers in the early 70s and have been involved one way or another with the Internet since it's inception And working online through BBS long before the Internet. So I've riden this ride for a long time, and have the same concerns and the same observation as Harris. What this interview did for me was give me hope, and I loved more than anything else his analogy of how we handled the tobacco company and the success of that, and how that is reflected in what is being done now, along with his warning about AI supercharging it all. Again thank you so much for this.

[@ajax6075]

Preach 💙

[@LiluBob]

@@ajax6075 😂😁 thanks ...

[@MaineCoonPride]

I was not going to listen to the whole AI thing, but the interview was very thought provoking. Thank you.

[@TorbenL1965]

Fourth version of "the true story behind pets being eaten in Springfield". Truth is just hard to get. I would rather hear about how to protect people from the negative consequences of a story like this.

[@nancywright3568]

We need to get social media and AI regulated for 2024 we failed with FB and the gop is dysfunctional

[@kimberlychodur3508]

Most of those sites just ask if you’re over 18 you click yes or no. How does that prove I’m over 18, I could be 13 for all they know.

[@Redactedlllllllllllll]

Nobody minds calling a drug dealer bad, but when it comes to corporations and how they put profit above all else we say, this isnt about good or bad people, its incentives. These people are no better than drug dealers.

[@hello_there3528]

I'm 16. I just listened to the intro. Max Fisher is so right. So right. It's simply disgusting that we can't enjoy life anymore: public places are full of antisocial people on their phones. Why? Why? It really annoys me.

[@doktortutankamazon31]

Gov. Dewine is safe from elections and still kisses the boots of Trump-Vance. Feels like Good Cop-Bad Cop.

[@curtisevans4100]

I think he has children in GOP politics.

[@fwdcnorac8574]

I'll argue and say its working. Not because people are believing it. Its working because they're told to believe it and they do what he says.

[@Infinite_Curiosity00]

The delay loading thing would be a great passive parental control.

[@blanchecuevasramos7970]

Normal Americans vote 💙🌊🇺🇸👍💯!

[@bingoskies8564]

Thank you! Finally! Been waiting for offline to hook up w Tristan Harris & CHT for a long time. Please stay connected to each other & help us get done the things he likens to the non-smoking movement. Maybe time for a correlated The Insider movie.

[@lilwavesz]

thank you for this ep. both guests had such great insights and perspectives on these topics that really truly are not talked about loud enough or frequently enough. a new fan of both of them, great episode, very good thoughtful commentary on all ends

[@phanatic215]

That intro is real. Never get high on your own supply.

[@susanstein6604]

KZbin allows ads that are untrue and occasionally are scams and are dangerous.

[@salm8990]

J.D Vance is the reason I saved my beard of 10 years. I had some salt and pepper like that weirdo and said NOPE!! Clean shaved like a baby now 😂

[@YourChannelHere2000]

😂😂😂

[@ajax6075]

Shaved your beard? Pretty sure shady has 2

[@robynrains7252]

A great conversation thank you both 👍

[@thegreatcatsby409]

Fabulous discussion 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Very informative 🙌🏼