Are the wide receiver and cornerback markets falling apart? And what does it mean for the Packers?

Multiple star trades at premium positions brought underwhelming returns. Is something going on in the cornerback and receiver markets? And how does it affect how the Packers may view this draft? Plus, our favorite top offensive linemen.
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[@jerrysteuerwald1719]

This is genius Peter accounting for the abundance of players diluting the salary requirements it makes complete economic sense the intersection of supply and demand coupled with the utility of the player. Smart analysis.

[@drewpocernich2540]

The running back situation of the past two years is going to happen to receivers, and with the hip drop rule running backs will come back into fashion quickly (especially RB’s like Derrick Henry, or Jonathan Allen). I don’t see the same thing happening as much with CB’s simply because there are less great CB’s in the league thus supply and demand. Thanks in part to CB being the hardest position to play in the league.

[@sambrinn5606]

Yeah, think Derrick Henry and Jerome Bettis. Depending on these new rules, they would dominate a game and make them just as valuable as anyone on offense

[@cl2095]

This is also due to the evolution of college football where teams throw the ball every down. More supply for the demand.

[@Whiskey61]

And now the rise of 7 on 7 is going to hypercharge that effect.

[@boblyon2982]

Peter I totally agree on guard and center need. Give us something that blocks the run and do well to create space. Dillon needs this as well

[@AdamB34]

Dillon needs everyone on defense to agree not to tackle him. That's the only way he'll be good. He runs behind the same oline as Jones and can't do ANYTHING. 2 yards and fall forward for a 3.5 yard gain. That's his game.

[@FishingForQuality13]

Peter We We’re one of the top teams on third down in a pass situation.What do u mean we don’t have that guy.WE LITERALLY HAVE THEM GUYS.U start this segment about not paying heavy for a NON 1A RECEIVER and then say YOUR STILL ON GETTING HIGGINS for our top pick in the SECOND RND.AND A CONTRACT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE PART OF THE DEAL?I love your stuff but Man U do this so often where u talk outta both sides of your mouth.THE SEGMENT is literally about not PAYING NON JUSTIN JEFFERSON TYPE WRs.That’s literally what Higgins is.We went through almost a decade with an alpha WR and it got us no where when it came to the playoffs.HAVING numerous 1B WR is the way to go in this scheme AND NEW NFL.Point blank.I agree though keep drafting one or two every draft cause u gotta be ready to move on when your paying your QB TOP MONEY,which we will be doing this season

[@Lermdogg101]

I think people forget why the packers had to take edge round 1 frequently in recent years. We lost Mathews and Perry was an absolute bust. We signed the smith bros because we literally had no edge room and had to build it from the ground up. Edge in the first or second round this year is the dumbest take I’ve ever seen especially with how our current edge room contracts align. Outside of QB edge is the most expensive contract on the books and the packers rebuilt this room having one guy on a second expensive contract and another guy on a rookie deal. After Preston smith gets cut next year it seems like they’ll want to follow this edge room model moving forward. For the sake of this conversation, let’s say the packers take an edge round 1 or 2 this year. They’re gonna waste a premium pick on a guy who’ll get roughly 20% of the snaps; not just this year, but for the duration of LVN and Gary’s concurrent contracts. Furthermore, let’s say LVN and this round 1 - 2 edge is worthy of a big pay day; there’s no way in hell the packers are paying big money to two edge rushes the same year or a year apart. Look around the league and show me any nfl rosters that are paying QB1, EDGE 1&2 at the same time. Too expensive; so why would the packers set themselves up for that in 4 years?

[@ToddHannah-pm1cc]

To be a “star” as per Peter’s consistent (over hyped) support for C Watson, do they not have to PLAY consistently?

[@Matt-yq3gq]

The packers waited like a decade after getting Adams to invest in WR and people really are still floating out tee Higgins and early this season draft capital on WR when they are set for 2-3 seasons for cheap? Cmon people. Maybe, maybe next offseason when doubs Watson have just 1 year left on their deal

[@codyalger2792]

I don’t comprehend run on sentences sorry

[@Matt-yq3gq]

@@codyalger2792 Sorry a short comment with missed punctuation bothered you so much that you had to comment.

[@KevinLaPage-ff6bj]

@@codyalger2792 Get over yourself. Lmao!

[@danielseverson9565]

Doubs and Watson are entering there 3rd season they were drafted in 2022! However they at minimum will be restricted free agents after this upcoming season!

[@danielseverson9565]

Watson needs a injury free season or he's more than likely done! Doubs has been good so they may make a tender offer, we need to see him grow with improvement over last season.

[@boblyon2982]

On my wish list! 😅

[@dwill0408]

Ive been saying this exact thing all year long but people on twitter clowned me

[@Chewy_GarageBandDad]

They clowned you, because they’re still on the running backs, and trying to devalue them for the owners, before they moved onto the receivers. By the way, if you look at all the mainstream Talking Heads for Green Bay they were discussing the receivers just like they were discussing the running backs last year just like Peter is discussing them now in 2020 and 21 even as late as 2022 before they switched over to the running backs. Same stuff. They grow on trees. Rather have three decent ones that produce the same amount as one elite one. This is a product of the evolution of the game due to college schemes. Every year they just flip-flop, because the rich want to save more of their money.

[@AdamB34]

@@Chewy_GarageBandDad dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[@Chewy_GarageBandDad]

@@AdamB34 Adam??? Why are you searching old vids for my comments> Grow up.

[@Chewy_GarageBandDad]

@@AdamB34 BTW Thank you for stopping the yellow faces in your sentences. You are on your journey. Way to go.

[@AdamB34]

@@Chewy_GarageBandDad 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.... you did this last time. Deflected and acted like any comment more than 1 day old no longer matters

[@clarkbowen8158]

The WR conversation is interesting. I say draft one every year. When Watson and Doubs are up for contracts, trade em and we'll still have Wicks, Reed and Melton. We will also have two more drafts to add to the room. This year is so deep at WR if Brian Thomas Jr drops to #25 I'd take him. If McConkey or Lagette are there at #58 you might take them. It's not good to pay a WR over $20 million a year. We are in a unique situation where we don't have to if we keep filling up the WR room with young dynamic guys. If you have an elite QB (I think we do) you can just keep the WR room young and inexpensive for a long time. CB is a different story, we've taken high picks every year and failed more often than not. I say we need to get two or three later in the draft and hope we hit on one. The only high CB pick that has been worth it is Alexander. The last before him was Newsome. That's a big time span and a ton of misses. We always pick in the 20s every year, that's always the 4th or 5th CB every time. I say take a guy that's the best at his position and address CB later.

[@ThatsCrazyBro3752]

Lagette would be crazy on day 2

[@theshield2207]

The packers have always cheap edge their way into being relevant. It works but not during the playoffs weve seen it you said you need 3 receivers. Tae and aaron couldn’t do it themselves but somehow people still blame aaron for not winning another superbowl

[@joshtracy4441]

Mahomes just did it with kelce… Had literally nothing else to throw too. Rodgers wouldn’t throw to new guys, it was his fault.

[@sdn40]

WRONG. You need a Top 5 defense

[@gbgary]

had 12 not had to be the highest paid, had he not been uncoachable and accepted MLF's offense, had he used rookies and TE's, had he used the middle of the field, he and 17 wouldn't have had to do it by themselves. look how Love prospered doing all the things 12 wouldn't do. imagine what could have been had 12 bought-in from day one. he was his own worst enemy in regards to winning another SB. greed, ego, attitude. gpg

[@theshield2207]

@@joshtracy4441 because andy reid is an amazing head coach..its so stupid how on big plays hes always wide open..I never saw tae wide open when in the playoffs always triple teamed. Lets not act like the defense the chiefs has isnt elite either with amazing corners and chris jones..

[@sdn40]

@@gbgary blah blah blah. I've done the research. 88% of Super Bowl winners have had a Top 10 defense and most were Top 5. Let me know how many rings Brady got with a 20th ranked defense

[@finessinlive]

I’d give up 25 all day long for Pat Surtain

[@Charlie-zd4vd]

Agree on a Day 2 receiver. Packers can’t pay all our young receiver talent that’s coming due. Wonder if Doubs gets traded next offseason. Good problem to have

[@Matt-yq3gq]

It’s still a year or 2 too early for this in my opinion. The packers already don’t have enough snaps to go around. Watson and doubs still have 2 years on the contract, wicks and Reed with 3, so you don’t need a future successor quite yet. You’re probably resigning at least 1 of doubs and Watson and also wicks/Reed. They could wait awhile to invest early and would be justified in doing so.

[@AdamB34]

@@Matt-yq3gq Watson is trash even when he plays. Doubs, Wicks and Reed are average at best. GB was at it's best when they had Davante, Jordy, Cobb etc.

[@Matt-yq3gq]

@@AdamB34 well you’re completely down on the group and sounds like it’s an opinion without fact. Watson is one of the most explosive players when healthy and on the field. I guess the 10 TDs his rookie year and big impact and plays he made in games against KC or Detroit last year mean nothing and is considered trash. Meanwhile wicks was the best in the nfl at creating separation last year and looks to be a late round steal, while Reed is probably a better version of Cobb. I mean Love was just 2nd in the league in the TDs dude lol this group has the potential to be better than Davante Cobb Jordy because they also appear to be 2 deep at TE and have a running back. Davante Jordy and Cobb only played together as a group with Rodgers for 2 seasons because of injuries, and love already put together a stretch with the new group as good as any.

[@AdamB34]

@@Matt-yq3gq how is it an opinion without fact exactly? - They didn't have a single receiver in the top 40 for yards last year and None of their wrs project as a true #1. - Doubs led the entire nfl in drop% in 2022 and had drop issues again last year. He doesn't produce enough to overlook that like we can overlook it for Ja'Marr Chase. - Watson did have NINE total tds in 2022 but 8 of those tds came in one 4 game stretch lol. 5 came in back to games. There's more than 4 games in a season homie. What did he do in the other 10 games in 2022? 298 receiving yards and 0 receiving tds 😂... He's also one of the worst route runners in the nfl and almost exclusively just runs flys and slants. That's why he rarely has more than 3 catches in a game, because he lacks route versatility. If he's not going deep or running a slant, he has nothing. He's had over 3 catches in a game 8 times in 23 games and more than 4 just 4 times in 23 games. He's just a bigger version of Marquez Valdez-Scantling at this point. A deep threat wr with terrible route running and suspect hands. - Yes, Love had a great season. That doesn't mean his wrs are also great lol. Rodgers won 2 mvps recently with Davante and absolutely nobody else. Those mvps don't mean Allen Lazard, Geronimo Allison or MVS were good lol - Wicks is definitely a late round steal but that doesn't mean he's anything more than just an average wr. - Did you just say this group of wrs can be better than Davante, Jordy and Cobb??? 😂😂😂. Davante and Jordy were both All-Pros and Cobb was a pro bowler. I'm also not sure why you brought up injuries considering Watson is always hurt, Doubs missed 4 games in 2022 and Musgrave missed like half the season last year. The wrs on this team are closer to Cobb and James Jones than Jordy and Davante which is fine but it's just weird that you're acting like they are elite when they aren't... at least, not yet. Anything can happen of course

[@Matt-yq3gq]

@@AdamB34 do you realize everything you’re saying was basically said about the other 3 you’re talking about? All those guys had slumps and drop issues. You’re purely playing the pessimistic side and using stats you can that support that while ignoring positive stats to support the other side. We can all support debates like these with facts to skew our narrative positive or negative. And either way my point, anyone on my side of this debate is you don’t need a true number 1 when you have what the packers have, and that’s also why you don’t need top 40 in yards wide receivers when everyone is contributing and they’re not so reliant on one guy or whatever other stat you want to use to say none of them are that good. Not to mention Watson does command 2 bodies or shifting coverage his way when he does play. And yeah absolutely the new group can potentially be better than those 3. This is their first season with Love and it was already good with a shit half year to start. Cobb jordy and Davante had 2 elite seasons together with one of them being an average producer in those 2 years (Adams in 14, Cobb in 16). That’s the bar, and none of these guys are even near contract extensions yet, so yeah laugh at me all you want if you think it’s absurd the new WR room has the potential to be better than those 3, while another part of point is the packers seemingly have much more weapons now than they did back then. They rode 3 great receivers and got like 1 good season from Lacy at RB and one half good year from Cook at TE. They have a higher number of overall skill players to threaten a D, so I don’t care that their top 2 or 3 weapons might end up worse than a 1-2 year previous sample size in history, when they probably have 5 other weapons beyond their starting 3 WR better than anything the packers had in the mid 2010s, and none of these guys are even in their prime yet.

[@michaelgray8318]

We still need to invest in Halfleys defense if we are talking about Joe Berry maybe but we need pass defenders considering who we are going to face 2 times a year

[@user-iw3vr1ks9i]

Peter say you've been to Lambeau and they have the yummy yummy yum yum.

[@miltowncorey]

I don’t think GUTE saw this coming, or he would be taking advantage of the fact by making a few trades with a few of their 11 picks this year. Why not use picks on proven players. But there’s still time left to do some things maybe GUTE is just waiting for the great deals for him to catch.

[@sambrinn5606]

Ive been thinking this,WR will become like RB as far as value. So many good WR's every year coming out. CB is gonna become such a high demand position because of offenses having 2 or 3 good receivers. What the Packers are doing will be copied by more teams if the WR talent keeps flooding the NFL. Premium positions will be OT,CB,pass rushers,QB. They already are but that's where we will see premium money go, taking a bite out of the WR market. Its just rhe evolution of the NFL. And it will continue to change. Maybe with the new tackling rules RB's become more valuable again.

[@9thhokagegoku671]

it be great if they hit last year at wr at cornerback

[@ryanodonnell8515]

Dude is wild for saying it doesn't matter how good your #1 cb is if your slot is weak.. I get where he is coming from but a lock down cb is essential for any defense. He's taking Alexander for granted and what he allows our defense to do

[@Matt-yq3gq]

Problem with that though is Alexander has only been lock down for like 10 games of the last 3 seasons. He’s been very unavailable, not as much of a willing tackler or block shedder, and has just straight had more bad games than packers fans might care to admit.

[@ryanodonnell8515]

@@Matt-yq3gq 70.2 77 and 80 pff grade that's pretty good

[@Matt-yq3gq]

@@ryanodonnell8515 and PFF is the end all be all? Pff is pooped on by a lot of people. Let’s be actually honest. Jaire had a bad season last year until what week 18 and the cowboys game? He was bad before the injury especially against ATL. He missed most of the year, played bad, and got himself suspended besides the couple games at the end we can say he played good. Check out stats besides PFF where he was like the 100th graded corner out of 110 eligible or someone like Andy Herman who had him graded amongst his worse packers last season. 2022 - here’s where the bulk of any impressive games came from and it was the 2nd half of the year, he got burned and played poorly a fair amount in early 2022. 2021 again basically missed all of it. So as I mentioned not a ton of games where elite Ja was actually present.

[@ryanodonnell8515]

@@Matt-yq3gq he definitely did have a bad season. He also didn't play much and was hurt. he is a pretty good corner who locked up some stud wrs. If he has another season like last year then Ill change my perception but what we had done for most or his career is essential for any great defense

[@Matt-yq3gq]

@@ryanodonnell8515 yeah I can see why people think that but the numbers and play just don’t really display it. He’s missed nearly half the games over the last 3 years and has increasingly gotten beat, missing tackles, or dropping INTs compared to what we saw out of a much better all pro season in 2020. In this large sample size of missed games they’ve really been no better or worse as a D, so you can say he’s essential for a great D, but the packers have never been a great D with him. A shutdown boundary corner also isn’t an absolute must for a great D. Blame scheme and the coach for his disconnect and dipping performance at times? I think anyone could reasonably do that, but he’s not much different than Christian Watson in terms of his impact and availability but at a much higher cost yet people seem to be far more concerned about the cheap WR over the highly paid mercurial CB. If he remains as suspect of a player and unavailable in 2024 as he has the last few years, he’s the highest paid most overrated packer.

[@SokemRokemRobot]

We don't need to trade for, or sign a free agent WR. We can draft a good WR in the latter rounds, and be just fine. Ryan Flournoy is a possible choice, a nice sleeper.

[@Chewy_GarageBandDad]

Every team is now going to be trying to hit late round receivers now. There may not be any when we draft. I know its rec heavy...and should be every year from here on out.. But we cant just draft anyone. they all dont have 8 and above RAS.

[@HONEYBADGER-sy5zj]

1st and 2nd rounders competitive gifted athletic trench guys or playmakers only. 3rd rounders and up LB RB SS WR.

[@ryanodonnell8515]

Have you looked at our O line draft selections?! we draft D backs and pass rushers in the first round...

[@ripack78]

I hope Gute can trade Stokes and a 4 for Budda Baker. Sign him to one year extension. Him and X for two years would be unreal. Draft a corner in top 60 and add another vet

[@chadhaupricht2340]

Need a stud LT to run with Love for the next 10yrs... That's the #1 pick

[@bugtussle7475]

There will be no stud LT at pick 25. They will have to trade up to get one.

[@KevinLaPage-ff6bj]

#25 will be either Wiggins, McKinstry, or DeJean. #41 imo will be Edgerrin Cooper. Packers aren't trying to get another Tony Mandarich in the 1st round.

[@AdamB34]

@@KevinLaPage-ff6bj to be fair Tony Mandrich was a drug addict, alcoholic roid freak lol. He didn't fail because he was taken round 1

[@criley8594]

I hope this is true phase 7 can't come fast enough

[@mattwilliams3104]

This sounds borderline ridiculous but if I were the Vikings GM I’d trade Jefferson. You can get two 1sts for him, right? You pay him 30mil a year you *have to* pick the right QB this year and hope he becomes a dude on his cheap rookie deal, otherwise you’re gonna then have to pay that QB at least 40 a year plus JJs 30. And JJ will be two years older. You likely won’t be a contender in that situation bcuz you would have to hit on basically every draft pick bcuz you can’t pay anyone else unleee the cap sky rockets. Make that trade and then you have all that draft capital to surround your young QB with.

[@SapphicTwist]

Big Josh Jackson guy. Big Cooper DeJean guy. I'm beginning to see a pattern, Peter?

[@SapphicTwist]

Barton, Darius Robinson, Leggett, Phillips and Puni in Rds 1-3, IMO. Throw bodies at LB and S on Day 3.

[@sambrinn5606]

There isnt a player in the NFL that has potential star to never seeing what he can do because of injuries more than Watson. I hope he and we dont get robbed of always wondering, what if. A healthy Watson is like Tee Higgins but with better speed and athletisim.

[@AdamB34]

😂😂😂... he's friggin MVS but bigger. All he can do is run fly routes. He was trash in college too.

[@kreed4480]

WR/CB will be the new RB/S in a few years

[@Chewy_GarageBandDad]

They tried it in 2020 and 2021 but we’re unsuccessful so they moved on to running backs they’re going to try the receivers again and people like Peter are going to help them

[@AdamB34]

@@Chewy_GarageBandDad bro... just stop

[@Chewy_GarageBandDad]

@@AdamB34 10-4

[@raybrean9889]

It amazes me that the Packers had a good defense with the worst defensive coordinator in the league Joe Barry. Yes it was good they had the 10th ranked scoring defense last season. Now they should be even better. I’m just hoping with our new Defensive Coordinator Jeff Halfley we’re more consistent. Our defense last year was either great or terrible. There was no in between. Joe Barry was terrible at adjusting. If the other teams offense figured the defense out they were screwed every time. There were times I couldn’t believe what I was watching. I don’t see that happening again this coming season with the new Defensive Coordinator and Xavier McKinney, and we already had some good players on defense and I’m sure we’ll get a couple in the 2024 NFL draft. Green Bay wasn’t supposed to do anything last year and look how they did in the 2nd half of last season. Imagine a consistent defense. Big things are coming. I’m hoping Quay Walker gets much more involved this year under new Defensive Coordinator Jeff Halfley. Go Pack Go 💚💚💛💛

[@sambrinn5606]

What was frustrating was to see our defense play like it did against Mahomes but made Devito and Bryce Young look like HOF's. Your right, Barry was terrible at adjusting. Remember a couple of games he just let Justin Jefferson run around with no one covering him. That was the dumbest shit I've ever seen with Ja sitting right there

[@klohr311]

Age, upcoming college player, and contract plays a vital role. teams want to get cheaper and the market is in the process of resetting for all position besides the qb. teams are willing to eat the dead cap and get future picks. if teams are following the packer blue print they would need to cycle and cycle players. move players every 3-4 yrs. this yr draft packers would need to draft wr since doubs and watson are done in 2025 unless they sign extension.

[@Chewy_GarageBandDad]

Its actually the Rams blue print. And I agree... teams are wanting to go cheaper and younger.. hoping to hit the better.

[@chadhaupricht2340]

I disagree with your comment that Amon St Brown isn't an elite wr

[@FishingForQuality13]

I am SO IN ON GUYTON

[@justinreyes9899]

St. Brown a WR1 easy you trippin… look at his numbers last season

[@user-vp3zy8dp3d]

This WR core is more than fine, let them grow another year with JLove. They have the dudes, they all want to be no 1, let them compete. If they draft a guy fine if they don't fine. This core can win the SB. Also Guyton is not that good, project, got taken to school at Senior Bowl, hand placement awful. Needs a lot of work and no hes not better than Sheed Walker.

[@jeremyschulthess63]

I would never draft an SEC OT in R1. Since 2010, they have busted at an 85% rate. It seems like every year there is an SEC OT that is "elite athleticism and movement skills" and they get drafted and are just horrible. Perfect example is Evan Neal from Alabama. He has been one of the worst OTs in the NFL since he was drafted in 2022. However, he was billed as someone like Tony Mandarich was in 1989.

[@Drewcityh1h]

Why does this guy crack a little smile when he thinks he's making a great point.... creepy

[@ambrose5125]

For a 😢

[@DilonBorchert]

There should be a set price for each position.

[@daleschultz9603]

even if different players have different skillsets that are more or less valuable within their position?

[@MrKhankab]

The market determines the value. Welcome to capitalism 😂

[@GloriousPPT]

What an incredibly dumb idea. Should Jaire make the same as Stokes? 😵‍💫

[@DilonBorchert]

@GloriousPPT he should make more but he doesn't need to be paid like an elite wr 1 he's a cb.

[@AdamB34]

@@DilonBorchert but he's an elite CB1 who covers the elite wr1s. Why should an average wr make more than an elite CB just because he's a wr?

[@richarris1111]

Higgins will cost too much and we don't really need him

[@UnbiasedPep]

This is the mindset that wins us 1 Super Bowl every 20 years.

[@joshuasmentek8097]

How many did the bills win when they traded for diggs?

[@thomasott9488]

You could be the Bears, Jets or other many losing teams.. we are spoiled but I'd rather have a team that continues succeeding rather than failing

[@kathykorbel1101]

​@@thomasott9488it depends on how you define success. Like the Bills or the Chiefs?

[@bradjustad3527]

We should have won 2,3 with Farve, Roger's, we need to win 2,3 with J Love !

[@kathykorbel1101]

@@bradjustad3527 yeah, I don't see that happening.

[@GloriousPPT]

They’re going o-line first two founds

[@KevinLaPage-ff6bj]

#25 CB or S #41 LB Packers aren't getting burned with another Tony Mandarich in the 1st.

[@GloriousPPT]

@@KevinLaPage-ff6bj they’ve drafted plenty of linemen in the first round since Mandarich goof ball

[@KevinLaPage-ff6bj]

@@GloriousPPT You are correct on them doing so several times since Tony the bust. I was incorrect on my recall on previous years. I do still think they will lean towards the D early. Take care !

[@GloriousPPT]

@@KevinLaPage-ff6bj they’re going o-line. They’re going to give Love everything he needs to succeed

[@GloriousPPT]

@@KevinLaPage-ff6bj told ya

[@dariangibbons6880]

He's delusional

[@brokentubing]

Go Lions