Are there signs of anti-blackness in Islamic tradition?

Are there anti black sentiments present in certain Islamic traditions? In this clip we discuss the nature of these sentiments, and the undercurrents of Arab superiority and racism which have existed at various times throughout Islamic history, up until this present day.
Taken from S01E05 of the Baraka Boys Podcast

[@reple489]

Being Arab and being Muslim are completely two different things.

[@thegeee]

How come?

[@reple489]

There's a difference between being Arabic and being Muslim

[@rwconz_live2267]

@@thegeeeBeing an Arab is a Bloodline or Ethnicity. Being a Muslim is a religion. Just because someone is born an Arab does NOT mean they are a Muslim.

[@aks_travelsmilepray]

I'm so glad you guys are having these conversations!! Keep going!!! Inshallah, you all a blessed for your efforts!! Come to Atlanta I would love to sit in and listen!

[@abdulfatahabdulla39]

Appreciate what you guys are doing ❤️ Hope you guys continue making more and more podcasts

[@mehers1249]

Insightful discussion. Great work!

[@Waterskates]

I can not find the full discussion on this subject.

[@shawaheed]

To conclude I’m Muslim before Turkish or Pakistani as this is the beauty of our deen. Islam is colour blind however unfortunately society is not so please differentiate between wat is either a trend of our times or the racism prevalent in society and what Islam’s stance is on this issue of racism for the Benefited any non Muslims. May Allah bless you and us alike.

[@Stp-n-r]

" Islam is colour blind" why did Muhamed exchange 2 dark skinned colour slaves for a white slave? He even equated black people to the devil. Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)." Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161 "I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, Ishaq:243 Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin." Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256 In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, "pug-nosed slaves". (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47). However Arabs had negative perception of Turks and Kurds also This is not the only example of Muhammad using negative physical descriptors for non-Arabs. He describes Turks “as if their eyes are the pupils of locusts and as if their faces are hammered shields” or “shields coated with leather.” (Bukhari 2928, Ibn Majah 4099) Muhammad’s Arab bias is also found in his preference for freeing Arab slaves. While blacks were obviously disproportionately enslaved compared to Arabs in 7th century Arabia (including by Muhammad himself), Muhammad nevertheless highlights in multiple hadiths the superiority of freeing Arabs. (Bukhari 2543, Abu Dawud 5077, note that the term “descendant of Ishmael” means an Arab)

[@London2LAExpress]

Assalaamu Alaikum brothers. Really interesting discussions and points raised from voices rarely given the space. Will there be more installments iA?

[@thegeee]

As an arab from the arabian peninsula i get what you are saying, i get second hand embarrassment when i see an arab teaching an ajami(non arab) the deen or the correct pronunciation of things or feeling superior over people. Even though i take so much pride in being arab i know for a fact that if it wasn’t for islam we wouldn’t be who we are today

[@edinnzen5216]

Im a muslim from Bosnia(Europe) and live in Sweden with a large arab community and i heard many times arabs saying they wouldn’t go to a european scholar for advice because they cant take him seriously.

[@Babygirl758]

And Allah even mentions this in the Quran.. that if he didn’t send the messenger our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh the Quraysh and Arabs would be like any other tribe with no significance

[@Stp-n-r]

that was the reasons why religions are created, to bring group of people out of obscurity into limelight. In the ancient times, just tell people that they are the chosen of the Gods and with that believe, they’ll move mountain.

[@stylefoodwithlaila4914]

Great conversation

[@antnam4406]

Nice work guys, keep it up and ruffle the feathers of these folks who want to put their head in their ass. The more I read about history and what some of these so-called past scholars have written in regards to black people and the treatment of black people and other ignorant stuff, the more I lose respect and I don't want to hear them being quoted to me. Nowadays! I stay to myself and do what I can when it comes to religion. I also laughed out when you referenced these guys dancing to Arabic nasheeds as if they don't have their own culture. We all have our own culture and the more we learn to adapt the better, rather than throw away everything for other people's culture (not religion), especially people who despise you.

[@ukfinest123]

Where’s the full ep

[@yuchubeluvstabanmeh7213]

0:10 why does the third guy in always raise his eyebrows when the guy mentions “white Muslims converts” 0:27 Kinda strange.

[@apautopartltd1102]

With all due respect there is nothing wrong with speaking affluent English. I think we need to aim for excellence in everything we do, not saying speak the queens English but be clear in what you have to say and let's not immetate these rappers as our parents or anxestors did not suffer so we can throw away our education we received in school. Speak like you got a education rather then someone who sells drugs for a living. Let's not give them an excuse to judge us and before anyone comments I am a black male.

[@LolLol-qi3si]

Are u dumb that’s how their accent that’s the accent they grew up with they ain’t gonna put a fake accent for what tffffff

[@apautopartltd1102]

@@LolLol-qi3si it's not about the accent it's about the way they speak e.g slang. As for your question "are u dumb" I will choose to ignore and please try your best not to have any children.

[@TheFurchow]

@@LolLol-qi3si most people have 2 tones. 1 we use to speak to our parents and teachers and colleagues, and 1 we use to speak to our friends. cuz, this is normal and sensible, it's not "being fake". if anything i see my younger siblings and their friends dumbing their vernacular down to fit in - if anything that is more fake.

[@apautopartltd1102]

@@TheFurchow I say just make people feel comfortable that's what our prophet pbuh taught us, to speak to people in a way where they understand. I say mirror the people you talk to

[@Babygirl758]

What he’s saying don’t shame him if he grew up speaking non affluent English because where would he get the influence to speak affluent English

[@JL-uw8xm]

The guy at the begining is spitting straight FACTS

[@user-hu1jz8fh9c]

The funny thing is that when "Abraha " the Ethiopian king who invaded Arabian peninsula he actually slaved the Arabs which is the sorah of Elephant in the Qur'an and There is Arabic empires in the Islamic history ( which is actually rich tribal history not all of it for sure ) Empires like " Abbasyah " slaved the other Arabs who were in the other empire which " Amawyah " There is really bad stories between those two empires , So it's a problem of rich tribalism and authority which the Islam warning us about it until now We have wars and slavery like what ISIS did in Iraq and Syria they actually slaved the "Yazidis "who are a different religious minority , The problem of the ego is the same weather it's Arabic or Ethiopian or English and Spanish , We need to be more aware of teh individual that's the struggle we're in

[@1972dsrai]

Where’s Wali?

[@kainat.]

Let's not say 'islamic' better to say culture and British mentality

[@Stp-n-r]

why not islamic?

[@aslam4923]

Who was he talking about why be so vague

[@shawaheed]

The thobe or the kurta as a choice of preferred dress code is irrelevant. What’s relevant is that they both must cover our aura as stated in Islamic text. Also Arab lingo or patwa is just as irrelevant as long as the person speaking has ikhlaas( manners). I know you guys are well aware of this fact as the prophet saw came to perfect the manners of mankind. We are being tested as to how we deal with these race issues currently at the forefront of Muslim conversation. Like any other social issue we all face as Muslims it’s all about how we slice the issues rather than the issue itself as any issues we face will still be around long after we’re gone so our legacy is more about the character we show in dealing with it more than the subjective issue itself. Salaamz my bhais (brothers-lol to make the point in question) culture brings with it richness of our history but it must not overshadow the bigger and more true concept of colour blindness in our religion.

[@rebeccacharrscott5439]

I am British West Indian born to Jamaican born parents only talk patios when I am vex. I am proud growing up white council estate in North Solihull. I didn't grow up in a urban area.

[@shawaheed]

Brothers the irony is that your raising valid points about racism in Asian background Muslims however you’ve done exactly that by generalising all Asian youths as aspiring to Arab culture and so called acting Arab or Arab wannabees. Come on brothers I’m Asian and neither wanna be black or Arab . I’m aware there maybe a real issue with Asians acting black or Arab but please don’t pdibt us all with the same brush, done I’d us Asians are quite grounded in our culture but as you know their is no place for nationalism or pride in specific colour being superior. I’m sure you realise if youths from any culture aspire to Arabic language it’s because our scripture is in the language and we know it’s best read in the original language it was revealed in. As for Asian boys acting black this is just a knock on effect of that particular culture being popular in these times we live in. Historically this is nothing new as the trends of a particular culture being popular and therefore more dominant in the social spheres in that time is just that, a trend of our times. It maybe that the Asian culture will be the dish of the day in the next fifty years.salaamz my brothers.

[@hiidupiidu3292]

okay damn they wasnt talking about you lol there's billions of Asians out there

[@shawaheed]

@@hiidupiidu3292 never said it was me they accused was speaking from a general perspective not sure what brought u to that conclusion,

[@hiidupiidu3292]

@@shawaheed yeah and generally, people idealize the Arabs. It's true...

[@belzeri6518]

They are not generalizing all Asians. Clearly, it’s about a certain demographics of Asians within the uk. Personally, I have a came into contact with a number of Asians from the uk who in fact do try to arabize themselves especially whenever they want to be “practicing” Muslims or apparat religious, they will start dropping Arabic phrases and words and mannerism as if they’re Arab and many times not knowing what these words or phrases even mean. They will start wearing arab clothing as if it makes them Better or something.

[@Stp-n-r]

The supreme or ultimate reality: a Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness, the creator and ruler of the universe is what humans have agreed to call God. But all that the Abrahamic religions have given to us are jealous, vengeful, blood-letting, warmongering and divisive Gods. Without these Gods there won't be need for this debate.

[@user-pn9zf2lj4c]

The guy that was speaking about black women is so lost, it’s so scary how people can speak with so much certainty about false hadiths

[@asasbs1411]

bad mentality to just get so triggered because someone told speak proper English.

[@Shiroyashasama]

Can you share the sources on the accusations you made about African woman deserving less mehr?

[@Stp-n-r]

Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)." Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161 "I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair, Ishaq:243 Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin." Sahih Bukhari 9:89:256 In another Hadith, Mohammed is quoted as saying that Blacks are, "pug-nosed slaves". (Sahih Moslem vol. 9 pages 46 and 47). However Arabs had negative perception of Turks and Kurds also This is not the only example of Muhammad using negative physical descriptors for non-Arabs. He describes Turks “as if their eyes are the pupils of locusts and as if their faces are hammered shields” or “shields coated with leather.” (Bukhari 2928, Ibn Majah 4099) Muhammad’s Arab bias is also found in his preference for freeing Arab slaves. While blacks were obviously disproportionately enslaved compared to Arabs in 7th century Arabia (including by Muhammad himself), Muhammad nevertheless highlights in multiple hadiths the superiority of freeing Arabs. (Bukhari 2543, Abu Dawud 5077, note that the term “descendant of Ishmael” means an Arab)

[@ibnabdullahalathari7054]

Murtad Abu Layth mureeeds 🤣🤣🤣

[@adamsbismark7547]

But are they even Arabs?, these were Catholic during the life time of the holy prophet s a w, all these noisy arabised dudes were Catholic and uncivilised and uncircumcised, they were eating pigs and dogs when we were busy with the holy prophet s a w and the Quraysh Sahabas. In fact all these so called Arabs accepted Islam only during the KHILAFA of Uthman Bin Affan and that's decades after the demise of Rassool sollallahu alayhi wasallim.

[@matthewmann8969]

Yeah and Anti Desi too

[@truthheard6142]

My man said he’s got a 2:1 with his chest, embarrassing. Did you speak slang when you spoke to your lecturer? I don’t think you did. Don’t confuse Arabs with Islam. If you have evidence bring it, don’t sit nod with each other. then there is nothing wrong with that. What’s the point on having 5 unlearned young men around a table we’re you can’t be challenged?

[@truthheard6142]

Demb elz these guys are dangerous, how can you sit around a table with people who openly sin with there music and start talking about great scholars of Islam. This deen is no joke brother. If they want to address racism in certain cultures then remove Islam from the conservation. People who don’t like Islam will use that against Muslims.

[@apautopartltd1102]

I 100% agree with this, he's trying to justify speaking slang as part of the religion 😂 these youth are lost may Allah guide us all

[@abdirisaqmohamed896]

Your just a small minded boy who is scared to question the little cult u were brought up in. So what if they challenge, allah gave us the ability to reason. If this “scholar” was so intelligent he wouldn’t have made such ridiculous, unislamic claims and passed that disgusting fatwa. Questioning is healthy and leads discussion. If u can’t stomach it then fuck off.

[@hiidupiidu3292]

I think you didn't hear them. They never said Islam encourages racism. They're saying that MUSLIMS interpret the teachings of Islam however they like and use it to justify their racism, which is absolutely true. Also, for the next time, how about you actually listen to people talk about their issues before jumping up and pointing fingers at them? No? :)

[@hiidupiidu3292]

@@apautopartltd1102 No. They're saying that not speaking slang doesnt make you a better Muslim. May Allah guide YOU and your ears to your brain.

[@morliaturay2258]

Hmmmmmmm the Arab

[@ATs-yz1xf]

Bro those madhab n imaam shafr r not islam we get Islam from phrophet sahabas and allah meaning quran n sunnah its not in sunnah to trust tafseers

[@maryamabubakar8126]

🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@victors3130]

Lol lying on the shafi madhaab, may allah forgive you all for your ignorance. You “studied” in Egypt at Azhaar but are Ill informed about the Shafi madhaab.... You are CAPPING 🧢🧢🧢🧢

[@belzeri6518]

You clearly either do not understand anything you heard or just speaking ignorantly. They’re not lying on the shafi’i Madhab at all. They’re simply talking about problematic fatawa that have been issues by some scholars who were shafi’i in their jurisprudence. They are not saying all shafi’i scholars are like this. They are simply talking about some problematic fatawa that shafi’i scholars issued. That’s all.

[@ImranAhmed-wb3ee]

What a Surprise, being the victims again 🙄

[@aliyaadan704]

Imran Ahmed who’s being victims again ? 😐

[@adetolaayodele7790]

No one is being the victim again. He is just pointing out the inherent deep-rooted racism within the Muslim community. Sadly, a lot of South-Asian Muslims/Arabs fail to acknowledge that they have a sense of superiority complex towards Black Muslims although for me, as a Black person, I must say I find them totally deluded. I so much love my Black skin and culture.

[@Sa7biUK]

@@adetolaayodele7790 The racism was from the previous generation who were influenced by the post-colonial hangover. The current youth who live in the UK and the US don't subscribe to it as they are into black culture and usually keep company of black people