Are These Albums Still 10s? (KIDS SEE GHOSTS & YOU WON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT)

Talking about two 10s from five years ago.
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[@OlofMemester]

Kid Cudi has become the first artist to receive a 0, a 10, and an "I dont care". Truly inspirational

[@Pigmcginnyrig]

He truly can do it all

[@TimWhitt]

What was the idc?

[@teamkockroach4080]

it was “The Heist” by Macklemore. Kid Cudi actually ghostwrote the whole thing in a revenge bid to steal a Grammy from Kendrick Lamar.

[@TedBilk]

​@teamkockroach4080 what did kendrick do to cudi?

[@bknpnck]

@@TimWhitt Check the ending 9:16

[@trbld5219]

I love how kanye and kid cudi collabed, made an album about mental health, etc and sang "I have my issues ain't that much I could do but peace is something that start with me" and then had beef between each other later .

[@AidenAidan]

Truly the duality of man

[@TheJerbol]

2 people who have never chosen peace lmao. Feuding with Lupe Fiasco is a direct line to the trash for me

[@-kold]

​@@TheJerbollupe was the one that never forgave cudi for his mental outburts and still calls him a bitch to this day

[@lukeshioshio]

So what? The reason why they aren't friends anymore is because Kid Cudi has been friends with Pete Davidson for years and Kanye tried to ruin their friendship. You gotta drop people like that from your life.

[@tumultuousv]

​@@TheJerbollupe was in the wrong.

[@coldwar45]

It sounds like they’re still 10’s for you but you have no desire to listen to them again or think about them again. I feel that way with several albums I’ve really loved over the years.

[@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u]

This is the best take

[@mxchael_0385]

Are they really a 10 if you don't feel like listening to them ever again. That's why I feel like some music listeners really get caught up in the moment, they're not objective and it's fine to a degree. But saying stuff like 'this album is an instant classic' or ' this album is perfect, no skips' tends to be a hyperbole alot and never really pans out as soon as a 2 or 3 months later when it's not even in that persons rotation anymore .

[@surdukks2219]

@@mxchael_0385 well the difference here is that his desire to not listen to KSG specifically anymore is coming from factors outside of the music/album itself not because he got sick or tired of it. I guess if you REALLY wanted to you could say the outside events are apart of KSG and directly change the meaning of the lyrics/message but IDRC. He makes it sound like if kanye and kid cudi died or vanished from social media entirely after KSG released he would listen to it as much as any other album he thinks is a 10

[@mxchael_0385]

@surdukks2219 yh but so what, I love the weeknd, Jhené aiko, j cole etc. If they got arrested for a murder or sexual assault or fraud idc, there's some songs I will still listen to regardless. If its a 10/10 , you listen to it regardless cos it's just that good.

[@FabianEllis]

@@mxchael_0385it makes it fundamentally less enjoyable for me to listen to an album by a bad person. Because deep down I feel sorry for that bad person and wish they hadn’t done the bad things they did, so am thinking about that rather than just enjoying it even if it’s a good album.

[@leandru7]

This video released just as I was wondering why Kids See Ghosts wasn't included in his list of the best rap albums of the 2010s. Glad I might see an answer lol, didn't think I would

[@totlyepic]

I can't remember exactly where (the end-of-year list for 2018, maybe?), but I'm pretty sure he's said that he's cooled on it since it released.

[@Hamid-ve6zw]

another reason is he probably didn't want to classify it strictly as a rap album it pulls from so many different genres

[@elliottrusso7351]

@@Hamid-ve6zwonly someone who only listens to rap would say this

[@dancerarinz556]

​@@totlyepicOn his albums of the decade list, KSG got 7th, while Charli and This Is Happening, which both got 9's, got 6th and 5th respectively.

[@ianstratton]

I assumed it was because it's closer to being an EP than a full album.

[@maynardwayward12]

I'm not surprised about Daughters at all, though this is my first time hearing about it. I remember seeing them in a small venue around 2008. The singer was groping women's breasts. There was no indication of sexual assault. But it's not something you usually see at a punk/indie gig for a reason, and left people uncomfortable. I've had weird vibes about that dude ever since their music came out, and I do like that last album they did.

[@archiewall124]

Sounds like R Kelly

[@gregwilson6636]

Arent you lucky that you used to get out of your middleclass suburban home! Did your Dad give you 40bucks to go out that weekend? Did you ask for a refund because you were so offended? Lucky you didnt go to see GGAllin and cop a turd to the face methinks

[@imrippingthefuckingheadoff]

And that video of him around the same time I think, it's on KZbin, of Alexis pulling "it" out and wrapping it around the microphone stand and stuff lmao. Then fleeing because someone called the cops and the entire band is left sitting there like haha alright I guess that happened, and the set was over.

[@rpemulis]

@@imrippingthefuckingheadoff i saw him do this in a coffee shop in teh middle of rural illinois playing to a crowd of like 10 people tops. maybe 2003? whatever it was a good set.

[@vandalg282]

Groping tits and signing them, is common with all bands. From Gene Simmons to Kanye, its par for the course. Now saying your husband graped you, yet you stayed in the relationship and have millions of dollars to sue him....is hard to believe. Especially when you see she has a giant chest tatt, and collects horror figurines...sounds like they were both fked. Doesn't matter either way, good music is good music.....so whatever it takes for them to get there.

[@gramolapietro2491]

I look at KSG as a "what could have been" where we got a kanye that was actually taking care of his mental health and asking forgiveness and taking accountability for his actions

[@finnthekreatormusic5397]

True and considering that his future stuff aside of maybe Donda didn't ever get to that same level of Quality and lack of toxicity, it really feels like one last glimmer of College Dropout to Mbtf Kanye, the one we all loved, the sane charming but still confident Kanye It's a sad album because of what he became really

[@andrei11dr]

That's what happens when you decide to not get any help for mental health and just really on religion instead, honestly all the yes-man around him that didn't do anything to help him deserve just as much ire as he does

[@t0pper8]

@@andrei11drhe abandoned his religion now and is arguably the craziest he’s ever been 🤷‍♂️

[@benturner3548]

The biggest thing for me with YWGWYW is it's so hard to separate this particular piece of art from the actions of it's writer. Paranoia, aggression, addiction, nihilism. These are things he was accused of doing to a person. I think that's what makes it harder to listen to, for me, than KSG.

[@maurice7002]

@@justsomejusstsome8994weird ass thing to say

[@justsomejusstsome8994]

@@maurice7002 Yea it kinda is lol Ima delete that

[@MegaJayboy17]

Who did he do that to

[@RadishShifu]

@@maurice7002 what did he say

[@nihan420]

@@MegaJayboy17 Lingua Ignota

[@ANDR3alfaro]

Kids See Ghosts and Daughters both getting 10s was the Barbenheimer of 2018.

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

Doom Eternal x Animal Crossing

[@username-1999]

you gave mbdtf a 10 and ksg is now a 6?!

[@drewallen5444]

W

[@elpoodoo3099]

It’s at least somewhat of a better take 😂😂

[@Okmanl]

Rating KSG higher than Atrocity Exhibition by Danny Brown was an L take.

[@nicolaslucero141]

​@@OkmanlI kinda feel like they should both be a 9 imo

[@daboomchakalaka7898]

Daughters was so dark that I’m almost not surprised the lead creator is kinda evil

[@lesryglrhfohser]

U think Lingua was innocent? Her music is pretty fucking dark too, she’s probably evil also. Abusive relationships are usually two ways.

[@WiloPolis03]

I love the one meme from r/indieheadscirclejerk that was something like "Daughters fans separating the art from the artist while listening to an album made by an abuser about abusing people"

[@gwen6622]

yeah like clearly he was not okay. the album spoke to me at the time because i was also not okay, but like... you know, in hindsight, there are different kinds of not okay, lol. it's one thing to be tortured and depressed but it's another thing to be basically writing songs about how fucked up and abusive you are. not directly, mind you, but when you view a LOT of the lyrics on that album through this lens.... things fall into place. he's probably not proud of his actions and it shows, and like yeah dude, you shouldnt be, but maybe dont write songs about it. get some help.

[@randomavenger3048]

People get evil when they don't get what they want.

[@gwen6622]

@@randomavenger3048 insensitive joke

[@jgrizzyy]

Cudi being punished by Anthony for Kanye being crazy

[@mattb121395]

That’s the worst part about it. Cudi has publicly stated he didn’t agree with Kanye’s bullshit and some of the best music he’s ever made gets looked down upon because of it

[@ydije_plum]

After kristin statement got published, I don't even understand how someone can listen to the Daughters album. I remember sometime around last year I wanted to listen to it and when I listened his lyrics and I put them in context, it went from being a dark and twisted experience to an unbearebly gross trip to the mind of an abuser

[@memphiskash]

yeah and the fact that Kristin is dropping her stage name and completely reinventing her image just to distance herself from her trauma and the shit Al*xis put her thru speaks alot to how fucked up of a human that dude is

[@godnotavailable2094]

Those things are one and the same. Pretty hard to make a severely dark and twisted experience without being a severely dark and twisted person yourself. Pretty sure Michael Gira has allegations as well and his music is fucking horrifying.

[@franciscofarias6385]

I mean, independently of what the composer actually do in his life those were always real disturbing feelings one might have, if the person singing them actually feels them is kinda irrelevant to the morality of listening. I 100% get it if you're not comfortable listening to it anymore, but to me it keeps being a truly amazing work.

[@ydije_plum]

@@godnotavailable2094 While I agree that is logical that an album like that one had to come out of someone that reflects the expression, you can feel the same fear, paranoia and helplessness withouth necesarilly have commited the crime he commited. It's a fine line but it makes a difference (at least in the listening experiencie). Didn't know Michael Gira had allegations as well.

[@cc3230]

@@godnotavailable2094that’s kind of a stereotype. You can make challenging, dark music and not be abusive. Is there a correlation? Yes, but correlation and causation are not the same

[@berkeleyisonline160]

kristin's impact statement is one of the most harrowing things ive ever read. what she was put through was fucking horrific

[@Nick-ft4dk]

ikr. its so sad. i hope shes doing ok

[@marquesdorman5361]

what happened

[@recipoldinasty]

Wait, they are allegations, some claim they were both toxic so idk

[@Viibeezz]

​@@recipoldinastyehhhhhhhh this is an L take lol

[@felipedenis8709]

​@@Viibeezzwell it's true tho, we may never know what really happen, just the two of them 🤷🏻‍♂️, but I really hope someone take FM to court so he can be investigated

[@josephjohnphillips2535]

Is The Big Day still a 10???

[@G_FRE]

11

[@nikita_soloviev]

It's just bigday/10, and always will be

[@billhicks8]

you can really tell who is like 15/16 years old max by these kind of comments

[@puncturedbicycle7264]

I’d still consider KSG a ten. It’s Kanye and Cudi’s best work in a long time. They brought out the best in each other creating a unique portrait of their relationship and struggles. I have personal connection with that album being that it reignited my love for hip-hop and it got me through tough times. And lastly I’d it’s a Momento from a better time, a future that we could have but it all slipped away.

[@comedysyrup]

Timestamps: Preamble - 0:00 Album reviews - 9:11

[@Gyl_.]

Awesome comment

[@randomsomeguy156]

Do this on every channel video please 🥰

[@MattsThere]

I relate to this when talking about slowthai’s UGLY from this year. Absolutely loved the record from its release and had it up pretty high in my favorite albums of the year. Then the allegations came out and because of how personal and deep that record was, what was happening on the outside in regards to the artist himself was very distracting and contradictory to everything he was expressing on UGLY. I have conflicted feelings on the record now until further updates are provided. I agree with a lot of the comments here though, the separating the art from the artist argument definitely varies from case to case.

[@IntenseCircumstances]

I feel the same way about UGLY as well. Loved the record, but as you said, once the allegations came out.. It really skews your experience with the record & how you feel about slowthai himself. Then again, the allegations were from a period of time before UGLY may have even been conceived/thought of. Perhaps His past caught up maybe when he was making honest efforts to be a better person? Who knows. I just hope none of it is true.

[@yidas-builds]

I totally agree. For some reason, with Slowthai & UGLY specifically, I really struggle to separate art of artist. It was my AOTY and on repeat for weeks when it came out, but since the charges/allegations have surfaced, I never listen to it. I even skip songs from it when they come on shuffle, it just makes me feel, icky? Yet there are other artists I have no problem separating art from artist. Weird.

[@anonymouscommenter8520]

Yeah, I have trouble separating the art from the artist in slowthai’s case and I think that’s because before the allegations, I really liked his personality and related to him personally having grown up in a poorer environment in the UK, I wasn’t only attached to the art, but the artist himself and that makes me not want to listen to him anymore because it doesnt feel the same. The allegations also make the opening line of HAPPY really gross which bothers me a lot

[@bigjuice2623]

What were the slowthai allegations?

[@yidas-builds]

@@bigjuice2623 2 counts of r@pe

[@marcusmclean132]

Wow 5 whole years of me saying "I should check out that Daughters album soon, Fantano gave it a 10"

[@G_FRE]

Definitely just leave it alone lol

[@omgkthxbi]

fuck man Daughters (their first album when they were grindcore) was the band that first got me and my bff to bond when we were 16. I had no idea about any of the allegations until this video.

[@tumultuousv]

​@@omgkthxbirip

[@mackereltacos2850]

@@G_FRE

[@G_FRE]

@@mackereltacos2850 the entire album feels like this emoji

[@sarvagyakaushik7976]

Chat Pile and Model/Actriz are good substitutes for Daughters.

[@tackycardia]

Chat Pile has nearly filled the noise rock shaped hole in my heart

[@swingAE86]

I can confirm the guys in chat pile are the sweetest men ever.

[@spookysilly668]

I love Chat Pile but it's just not comparable

[@GENXJOPLIN]

Christ on a stick my babushka were your parents siblings? The vocal styles are where the similarities begin and end

[@honeycomblord9384]

KEN Mode is another band if you want that sort of sound

[@sqyx93]

3:10 why did you abbreviate kids see ghosts they have the same amount of syllables

[@acidbog]

I haven't listened to Daughters since I read Kristin's statement. Loved the music, but I feel incredibly uneasy knowing that they all knew what was going on and chose to look the other way.

[@danielgaldamesorellana5871]

Same thing here

[@Guanjyn]

When I first put on that Daughters album, I thought you were smoking crack to give it a 10 but after I listened to the whole thing from start to finish, I could see why you did.

[@lizzz-io9sb]

2016 was weird man especially with melon out there supporting his favourite orange guy

[@corychristopherson5883]

I've always felt like an apology is kind of an insincere gesture. Applogies can be faked. Sincerity can be faked. I do agree that its important to acknowledge ones own wrongdoings but hell man think about somebody like Chris D'elia's apology. It seemed way sincere but clearly it sort of made way for him to keep doing all that heinous shit

[@kaydenjones3183]

It sucks that you think that because they shouldn’t be lol. Just goes to show how scummy celebs are i guess

[@navdalmia6488]

You’ll always be a 10 to me Anthony

[@Z3in_]

🍆🚴‍♂️

[@hichicon4953]

Light 6

[@db7467]

glazing

[@bugbear89]

I also can't listen to either anymore. And I was a huge Daughters fan. But people think it's like suddenly you go "Nope! They did something bad and I have to stop listening or I'll look bad too!" No. I have values and things that I know are straight up unforgivable. We all fuck up sometimes. But being antisemitic or violent to women isn't just a fuck up. Even if they made apologies and did things to somehow back track their actions people are not obligated to give them another chance just because they're artists. I know plenty of people who, like myself, have gone through darkness and find release by expressing artistically. Nothing wrong with that. But Alexis chose to also make his darkness everyone else's problem in and that's where I have to say "fuck you".

[@thewisemanpaul]

Get off your high horse you aren't better than anyone else

[@billhicks8]

@@thewisemanpaul I can bet you they are better than Alexis

[@qtf0x]

What does Melon mean by "formerly known as" Lingua Ignota? Is she done with that project or something?

[@alexddragame]

Yes, she now makes music as Reverend Kristin Michael Hayter. Lingua Ignota as a project is put to bed iirc

[@SanVanSkater]

Do you feel the same about Arcade Fire now, last three records aside? I saw one of your TikToks where you were more negative on Funeral than in the past

[@finnthekreatormusic5397]

It really sucks because this year I checked out Funeral for the first time and it really resonated with me, it's a brilliant album But yeah the allegations do make me not want to stream the music too much or go to a life show: it kinda sucks Same thing with Kanye

[@SanVanSkater]

@@finnthekreatormusic5397 I love all of their records,. absolutely my favourite band. It's rough

[@JoelVega]

It's not that I can't separate art from the artist and this past year I enjoyed listening to some of Kanye's songs but it's just not the same as it was before, it's especially true for his last few albums that focused on mental health, family & faith. it's much easier to have a good time listening to his classics as it completely feels like something from the distant past that has been solidified as a classic.

[@mikekasabion]

As I have always put it, there’s a difference between Kayne West, and Ye…

[@korontos9038]

@@mikekasabion kayne

[@apostlep]

how??💀 yall are acting like kanye is trying to end the world, kanye has and will always be controversial and if you can’t handle that listen to someone else

[@sebc.416]

@@apostlepthat is what they are doing lol?

[@c0ggg]

I think the daughters record is unique because the lyrics are so frightening evil and insane and finding out there not like a extra character there actual actions of Alexis and it turns the album from unsettling to outright evil and disgusting.

[@themawofacamar]

no matter how good i may still find YWGWYW, it’s fuck daughters forever for what their lead singer did to lingua ignota. whole album soured for me when i heard about that shit

[@elijahanderson7353]

I had the same thing with Kanye but I've gotten back into him a decent bit, but man the daughters thing is a different level for me. Like I can't at all revisit the daughters record

[@leohickey4424]

This is the same take I have. The Alexis situation is on a whole different level. Kanye is fully to blame for his hateful behavior, and it has certainly has material consequences, but such unabashedly evil, life ruining and violent domestic abuse puts you far above any level of attention-seeking hate speech. The Ye situation has me torn about listening to his music sometimes, sure, but I could solidly never listen to YWGWYW again.

[@Amaling]

It’s probably because Kanye material I’d argue doesn’t have anything to do with the fucked up shit he’s done, but Daughters album quite literally have abusive lyrical content

[@elijahanderson7353]

@@leohickey4424 I think that's a big part of it for sure. Plus a part of me wonders if Kanye says the dumb horrible things for attention and other crap but with daughters they did those disgusting things and the album in a way seems like they brag about it and it's just really weird.

[@billhicks8]

@@Amaling does it though? I've looked through the lyrics and it just seems like abstract existential dread and regret. I guess it's people putting together why the singer feels that way to write what they did, but it doesn't exactly map one-to-one with any actual things that occurred...

[@tonzurakoite1768]

Yeah, its a 10/10 for me, but after I read the impact statement I could never listen to it again.

[@GenesisJames]

I had the same response to the Daughters record. Loved it when it came out, but man, it's just... hard to separate it from the artist when its so personal and knowing how bad his actions were. If it was some rando member that they kicked out after the accusations, that's one thing, but when it's the lead singer and frontman... that's pretty much the end of that. I actually went through this before with a Korean band called Drug Restaurant. They had a super cool and moody rock sound, and I thought they were gonna be one of my new favorite Korean artists... until it came out that their lead singer was heavily involved with the Burning Sun scandal from a few years back. Kept my CD just for history's sake like I did with the Daughters album, but I haven't listened to them since.

[@MinnieBlues4444]

Yep

[@oliverquick3405]

To some somgs i still listen,but more as a reminder and as some kind of blunt and disgusting confession, and straight after that, as a let's say "fitting" answer i listen to lingua ignota. It's perverse, but it's a perfect example of what humans are capable of,or simply what they are.

[@nathanieledwards7150]

City song, Satan in the wait, the flammable man, and of course guest house will never leave my playlists. But, I also listen to Charles Manson unironically. If you choose to not listen that is your right and I totally get it though. We all have our own paths to plow thru. Carry on

[@bruh......2005]

Daughters is honestly one of the few bands I can separate the art from the artist. And honestly I don't blame anyone that can't, the serious allegatitons combined with the many questionable lyrical undertones that in retrospective have aged horribly............ But man, even with that YWGWYW and S/T still hold a special place in my heart and are albums I still listen to this day. I don't think I will ever find band that really makes take all the anger out while making me question my existence like Daughters. Till this day I'm still horrified by Marshall's action, but I'm not gonna pretend like He isn't one of my fav frontman musically ever

[@bluelagoon5235]

I've been a fan of Daughters since 2003, but after hearing about everything about Alexis and all his terrible behavior, I can't listen to their music in his conscience anymore. After reading Lingua Ignota's writing about everything she went through, I haven't been able to touch anything by them since

[@babytuckoo]

KSG but by Nav and DaBaby called Nav Sees DaBaby and it’s a picture of Nav looking at a young black child

[@hichicon4953]

That would go hard

[@ChunkyLeeChong]

Kids See Ghosts is my favorite Kanye shit ever. In my head, there exists an alternate reality where Kanye and Cudi are the greatest duo of all time.

[@GonzoCiosain]

It's a transmission from the Good Timeline for sure, I feel like we've been in the Bad Timeline for about a decade now.

[@robbed1994]

Yes, and Travis ACTUALLY fulfills his role as the rightful successor to the thrown 😂😂

[@hzrnvm_]

@@robbed1994*throne

[@robbed1994]

@@hzrnvm_ 🙏

[@whatisyoutube600]

Thanks for speaking on this. Kristin’s impact statement about Alexis is so horrific I don’t care to listen to any Daughters’ material ever again, and I was once a big fan. I’ve filled the Daughters void pretty easily though, with bands with a similar energy and sound like The Jesus Lizard, Chat Pile, and The Birthday Party (who were obviously a huge influence on Daughters). If anyone has any other recs comment 👇

[@bluelagoon5235]

I was a fan of Daughters for close to 20 years, and then I heard about the allegations and read Kristin's writings and interviews about what she went through, and I haven't listened to them since. Hearing and reading about her ordeal made me feel sick to my stomach. I sincerely do hope she's been able to find healing after all the horror she had to go through

[@kelleyreeves965]

I bet anyone who was a fan of YWGWYW would like at least a couple of songs off of Model/Actriz's debut album Dogsbody that came out earlier this year. Similar noisy intensity yet insanely danceable too. I'd actually say that in my experience Model/Actriz was a better live experience than Daughters

[@gwen6622]

@@kelleyreeves965 dogsbody is so good, completely agree

[@htgfrds]

i recommend people actually read the full statement by kristin. It's pretty nuts, i can't imagine ever enjoying listening to someone like that (daughters frontman)

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

If you like The Jesus Lizard as well as Daughters' early math/grindcore stuff, I highly recommend you to listen to Dazzling Killmen and Craw. You may also like Japanese prog/noise drummer Tatsuya Yoshida who's been a part of the noise scene for a long time, I recommend you check his projects such as Ruins, Koenjihyakkei and Korekyojinn. These bands are unique for incorporating progressive instrumental palettes over the base noise composition in a very interesting way.

[@nashcasler7789]

Can’t believe it’s been 5 years. Feels like kids see ghosts came out yesterday.

[@123rtXd]

kids see ghosts sometimes kids see ghosts

[@MatchaCutie14]

I listened to it for the first time last year (I know, I'm late) its still my favorite album of all time.

[@kamaujayjay9556]

I'm feeling the same way as slowthai

[@Zeldamarie1482]

What u mean?

[@kamaujayjay9556]

@@Zeldamarie1482 he had 2 rape allegations which he said that he wasn't guilty, but I have yet to see some proof in the matter

[@Zeldamarie1482]

@@kamaujayjay9556 oh nah, cmon not slowthai

[@thebohr11]

​@@kamaujayjay9556you said it yourself, you have yet to see any proof. Why would you feel that way about him then? Seems a bit premature. False allegations are far too common these days that my perceptions don't change until I see valid evidence. Even then, my opinions on the music itself wouldn't change, but it certainly would on the artist as a person.

[@kamaujayjay9556]

@@thebohr11 I guess I'm thinking too much about it

[@maxparsons8655]

Slowthai is also someone whose music is difficult to listen to now. I'd enjoyed his three albums, but some of the content feels very real in light of his current situation.

[@yiit2925]

The Daughters album is straight up masterpiece, still couldn't listen anything that aggressive, nihilist and at the same time awesome and productionwise perfect.

[@martynsharman1735]

ywgwyw is a masterpiece, but can't bring myself to listen to it anymore.

[@jacobringenwald]

You have said before that you rate music based on enjoyment, and if something affects that the way you enjoy an album then it makes sense that you would re-evaluate them like you do in this video.

[@HoboBrute]

I tried to listen to liberation transmission not long ago, which was one of my favorite albums in Highschool and honestly it was still kinda hard. I absolutely love some of the songs on there still, but even with Watkins in prison, it felt weird. Idk, hoping I can listen to it in peace when he finally bites the bullet

[@farfle10]

What that guy did is so beyond most 'cancellations' entering into the depravity the likes of serial killers that I do not know how you could even entertain listening to any of it

[@HoboBrute]

@@farfle10 honestly, was a test of separating the art from the artist, and while in the abstract, there were songs I enjoyed and had nostalgia and good feelings towards, I ultimately couldn't do it. I spent a lot of time asking myself if I could have gotten through it if he hadn't been lead vocals, but I think that being front and center really makes it un-doable, at least for me. The rest of the band went on and made some decent tracks once he was behind bars, so I'll stick with those for now

[@Gelly6987]

I think there is a genuine difference between art that can be considered offensive and an artist who is fundamentally a horrible human being. People often have to check their morality at the door with most form of celebrities and their art but when an artist crosses a certain line it does detract any enjoyment of that art (on an individual basis). In some more extreme examples, despite like some of their music and it being a whole band and not one individual, I cannot listen to Lost Prophets. Even tracks I used to particularly enjoy have been forever tainted because I cannot help but be reminded of what Ian Watkins did just in hearing his voice. Apply that to Kevin Spacey films etc.

[@CadeoradeXD]

Albums? 10's. Artists? Not so much

[@JustaRandomGuy890]

There might be a curse that Tony gives to his 10/10. Zach Hill might kill somebody soon

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

I think there was some recent gossip surrounding Andy Morin and his ex-girlfriend, but it didn't really turn into anything. Kinda like that Spreadie Gibbs shit. Hopefully it checks the box for DG and we never have to hear some awful shit

[@lauinka]

I get your point and all but I would’ve liked some musical takes rather cause although you do that on the best level in your reviews they are all mostly (regardless of the time listening) recent takes and hearing your musical opinion 5 years later would’ve been interesting

[@MathcoreIndex]

Was curious about your updated perspective on YWGWYW, definitely can’t listen to Daughters with the same ear now myself

[@zer0953]

ive had existential crisis back in 2018 and its same now, dude being accused of something changes absolutely nothing for me, i dont even known the guy, im here for the music, ofc its horrible what he's done ,but i relate to pointlessness and existential dread that album is about

[@radical6905]

Kanye really out Morrissey'd Morrissey in the 'how much of a khunt can you be in comparison to the greatness of your music' stakes

[@tombrophy6288]

This is also the case with Sun Kil Moon as you did give both Benji and Common as Light and Love Are Red Valleys Of Blood a 9/10 but since the allegations that have come out against Mark Kozelek, you have pretty much stopped talking about him and his music. And that's okay, if you are off putted with listening to his music because of that. Same goes with Ariel Pink.

[@remyboyzz399]

that pete davidson roast made my day

[@PinkSheepification]

Holy fucking shit. I'm not one for getting very involved in the lives of the celebrities I enjoy, so it's not uncommon for me to be blind sided by info about info pertaining to them. But knowing that Sinner Be Ready is influenced by experience with abuse is insane to me. Not surprising, it makes so much sense in retrospect, but as a fellow victim of abuse my deep love of that project takes on a whole new meaning to me. I'm genuinely at a loss for words

[@straightXjessedge]

I have the same experience with YWGWYW. That album already made me feel uncomfortable in a good way, but now with the context it just makes me feel uncomfortable in a bad way. I feel the same about Hell Songs and the self-titled as well now (Canada Songs just didn't have the same tone as they other albums).

[@kaiser371]

I'm a Kanye fan, through and through. His beliefs don't reflect mine, so I can let it slide. The most his lunacy does for me is make it hard for me to defend being a Kanye fan and make me feel bad for him because someone as old as Kanye should be past this petty shit

[@MarkGraves5]

YWGWYW was such a fantastic record. I can't listen to it either anymore. 😢

[@dclarkmusic]

I can’t stomach listening to Daughters after what happened, as much as I love their music. The lyrical content is just so directly tied to the behavior that I just can’t ignore it

[@ultra3755]

Respectfully disagree. Not being able to enjoy music cause of what the person who made it did is some of the softest shit I've ever heard of

[@vinceeager8553]

​@@ultra3755I can't listen to Lostprophets anymore because it reminds me of what Ian Watkins did, and I don't want to think about that. I think that's perfectly reasonable, as is not wanting to listen to Daughters for similar reasons

[@ultra3755]

@@vinceeager8553 if certain music makes you think of something that makes you uncomfortable therefore you can't listen to it I can somewhat understand. I just think the idea of "omg this artist did something terrible I'm never listening to that awful music again🤮" is cancerous.

[@Pineboxdoggo]

Differently gives a whole new level of unease listening to the record now

[@arielpagliero9619]

​@@ultra3755normalize being soft.

[@eltonwebb5530]

The whole Daughters stuff is so heartbreaking. When YWGWYW came out, it was genuinely therapeutic for me. It was so perfect for letting out stress in an especially stressful time of my life. Now, knowing what we know, it feels like abuse from the perspective of the abuser which makes it difficult to engage with to say the least. Fuck Alexis Marshall. I wish nothing but the worst for him.

[@thisiscjshandle]

Just a general question to throw out there: I have not listened to either of these albums. Is it still worth it for me to give them a listen even knowing what I know about their creators, or at this point am I better off avoiding them?

[@thedeadguy2456]

Listen to them and form your own opiniom

[@gag5642]

Good take, i saw Daughters live on the ywgwyw tour and bought a shirt and I don't even feel comfortable wearing it in public anymore due to this shit. Its a really awkward and uncomfortable situation as a fan.

[@kelleyreeves965]

Same, I have two Daughters shirts that I'd like to get rid of but am concerned that I wouldn't be able to find someone to give them to

[@gag5642]

@@kelleyreeves965 I just use mine as a sleep shirt now. Fuck Alexis Marshall, sucks for his band mates too but theyve been awfully quiet on this whole thing so idk

[@gag5642]

@@kelleyreeves965 just read Kristen hayters full 7000 word statement and decided to throw the shirt in the trash shits really bad . As a survivor of mental and physical abuse myself i can't feel right wearing a shirt platforming someone like that.

[@billhicks8]

I feel this way about Neurosis, another extreme band I adored, with an undeniably bad person in it.

[@dylanmyers4474]

Day 6 of asking for Pink Floyd tier list

[@theo8370]

I’d be curious if you have these same thoughts about “to be kind”, given the allegations against Michael Gira.

[@caseystu123]

Artists are humans so sometimes great artists will be bad people. Sometimes great people make bad art. At the end of the day people want good art so it’s going to take some ability to appreciate the art without attaching it so much to the people.

[@parak00pa]

I'm not a diehard Kanye defender, but I will say it's a little insane to put the blatantly provocative tweets and statements of a bipolar narcissist, who is plainly out of horizons in his career and possibly his life at this point, on the same level as a much lesser known artist that is facing highly credible accusations of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse. Call me right wing but Kayne's asinine effusions have never physically harmed anyone, let alone drove them to contemplate suicide. It's just an entirely different level of "misconduct", and I think it's kinda disgusting to equate the two.

[@lazartlol]

what about ariel pink's pom pom

[@TheLetterH111]

Not really remotely on the same level of bad tho

[@LucasXavierReis]

idk i loved both albums when they came out but like i can only listen to ksg nowadays idk what kanye need to do anymore for me to "cancel" him but yeah at the same time i can't separate the artist from the art with daughters

[@bowbow77]

Was looking at the Corey Feldman record noticed all the artists in FFO we definitely there and related from you, Danny brown swans, death grips, daughters, Doug walker, black midi, microphones. Maybe it’s from a playlist of songs from your review. Thought it was funny.

[@BeenDrowned]

i really respect the fact that fantano isnt afraid to take a stand on things like this especially since hes so popular and respected in the music scene even though he keeps his personal life private which i completely respect i have no doubt in my mind that fantano is a good person

[@jamswie]

i find myself disagreeing with the majority of what he says outside of music, but i can respect his right to express his opinion on his platforms

[@Evan8506]

yeah. the kanye/cudi situation makes my stomach turn because kids see ghosts is one of my favorite albums of all time

[@Blomme2008]

I was just watching a video of yours, and got interrupted by this one 😂

[@JerekBilbar]

I agree with everything said in the video. However, as a Swans Fan, I think it’s time you turn your attention to Micheal Gira. He raped a collaborator in about 2001 or so. When discussing the situation, he acknowledged the incident as a ‘mistake,’ but insisted that the act was consensual despite the victim continually asserting that it was not. Maybe you just have t heard of the allegations, but it’s the reason I never feel comfortable listening to Swans’ releases from after the 90s.

[@billhicks8]

I don't think there's really enough on Gira for it to be quite the same thing. I'd need more substantial allegations to come out from other sources than Larkin for it to really negatively affect my listening experience, personally

[@spicyoreos74]

Can you do a video on albums that have become tens since when you reviewed it

[@hichicon4953]

Charli and atrocity exhibition are probably in that list

[@Radio_RatMan]

Could have just said yes and left the politics at the door but ok. Fair

[@rohumzaman9742]

I understand what you mean but KSG was not Kanye's album. I would argue it was more Cudi's as I felt it was more focused on Cudi journey and struggles with mental health. I know kanye is in a bad spot in his career, but Cudi should not suffer especially since he and Kanye dont have a relationship anymore. listen to the album man.

[@AtomicPancake]

Looking good, dude. Keep it up!

[@obzzidian94]

This doesn’t change the fact that IDLES’ “Joy As An Act Of Resistance” is the best album of 2018 and the best album of the decade.

[@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382]

"The group claim that vulnerability is their armour, where exactly is all of this vulnerability? It’s as if the lyrics have been generated by a Guardian designed algorithm, every red button issue of the day systematically addressed in the most predictable way imaginable. Nothing all that personal is ever laid on the table. I don’t feel like I learn anything about Joe Talbot by listening to Joe Talbot. The easiest way to gain popularity online of course, is simply to regurgitate what everybody else already believes. It’s in this way we’ve ended up in a freefall where meaningful self-expression is concerned. Terrified of making a wrong step in a world where people are regularly hung out to dry for not having the right beliefs, the right points of view, we have left ourselves marooned in a monoculture, and I purport that IDLES are the indie rock manifestation of this depressing trend." - Lias Saoudi (Fat White Family)

[@obzzidian94]

@@heckicusdoomicuswizardus1382 🤓☝

[@Stellarawesomeness]

Idk if you're going to see this, but what about the entire Travis Scott fiasco with the people that died at his concerts? Do you hold a similar judgment towards him, even though you were quick to listen to and review his work positively?

[@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u]

LMAO PREACH

[@dud324]

he doesn't cause it was pure recklessness and not out of malice and mostly was live nation's fault considering they have a track record of 200 deaths total at their performances in general no other performance brands has that issue.

[@Harveygregorxotwod]

Kid Cudi: What he saying fuck me for?

[@theaurawizard]

5:43 Melon dissing himself 😭😭. Was wondering why KSG had been absent on your most recent best hip hop albums lists, including the one with NFR. Thanks for the explanation 🍈!

[@andrewfuentes1632]

Loved this. I had no idea about the daughters stuff but have wondered how you felt about KSG

[@FlashmanVC]

I still think Daytona was the best album from the “Wyoming sessions.”

[@gongster5821]

Best take in this comment section

[@rainbowstar4280]

is Red Light still a 1 though?

[@jesu3962]

idk about you guys but this felt like one of those apology videos famous people make after being cancelled when in reality it is just melon revisiting albums

[@drfrog4]

i don’t want to listen to your reviews anymore because your wife left you

[@uglyaniimals]

memes aside, i appreciate the hell out of you for making this video. i've had my own similar thoughts on this and hate how dismissive a lot of folks are abt the idea of finding an album that's basically a horror movie in music form and and an album abt transcendent self growth harder to listen to when the people who made them turn out to be a serial abuser and a raging antisemite, respectively, esp when this same crowd seemed super quick to turn on lizzo when less bad (but still awful in its own right) shit came out abt her. at the end of the day it's a complex scenario with no right or wrong answer, but it genuinely seems like your heart is in the right place and i appreciate the hell out of you for making this sort of statement knowing that there's a large chunk of people who are gonna disagree with your take on it

[@icehot900]

uhh buddy you forgot to add "Unsubscribed and reported" to the end. Hope this helps you fit better into the comment section!

[@legokidfister3335]

We need a 'Good Lookin' - Dixon Dallas Review

[@2lazee4nameoil85]

Psychedelic Rap is the future of Hip-Hop

[@andrei11dr]

It's literally been around since the late 80s, how is it "the future" ?

[@coldnoodllss]

@@andrei11dr mid 70s actually

[@nikfinite]

thank you Anthony - important to have your voice in these discussions

[@daysfnm9663]

It’s pretty sad knowing that these two records received critical acclaim, got 10s, and both are surrounded by people that have done such terrible things. Truly disappointing

[@peopleperson]

ok?

[@randomname6475]

​@@peoplepersonYou added less to the conversation than they did. You should be more direct. Do you disagree? Thing it shouldn't matter?

[@enochannor6550]

@@user-us2cl5lr7z Bro kanye has a history of complaining about racism enacted on him and the black community, but now hateful behaviour is just some words? It's so funny how fast ya'll become racist just because an artist you like makes music lmao. You have the moral backbone of a squid, degenerate behaviour.

[@mauricioandres7470]

I mean its not the first time it happens and wont be the last, Lou Reed was terrible and mysogine but TVU and Nico is a masterpiece, David Bowie had intercourse with a minor and made 10/10 albums

[@Magic7ball]

i have news for you that more than two amazing albums have been made by terrible people

[@CTR333Z]

What’s with the scenery change? Anthony

[@lucasleal2368]

"Name one genius that ain't crazy" - Kanye West in The Life of Pablo's "Feedback"

[@FMJoner]

An "I Don't Care" is worse than a lower rating in my book lol

[@evanfortunato2382]

I relate to this. I wasn't a huge hip-hop fan by the time Kanye started to form his reputation, so when I did really get in the genre, I felt no draw to his work. I had a bunch of people who were longtime rap fans say "oh this Kanye album is great one of the best rap albums of all time" but I have always felt like I won't be able to set aside my dislike for him and just take the music at face value. Thank God I'm not a music critic who has to be up to date with all the big influential artists

[@relaxrallex]

My thing is what other song am I supposed to use to say Good Morning to my people very valid takes!

[@r0yel626]

The answer is yes.

[@andrei11dr]

Situations like this are weird for me, because let's not forget that there's 3 other people in Daughters and KSG has another artist attached to it, these people didn't do anything wrong as far as I'm aware, so the question for me now is: is it ok to ignore everything they did because one individual is a shity person? I don't have the answer, but it's still a interesting conversation

[@Magic7ball]

it's like not listening to the Beatles because of John Lennon. or if we take it farther even a solo artist has people behind the production/mixing/writing (sometimes). What about like Kim Petras who is produced by a rapist?

[@acidbog]

Kid Cudi spoke out. Nicholas, Jon and Samuel knew what was going on and still remained silent. I think there's a pretty clear difference there.

[@appgamut9667]

Yes! The pinnacle of Fantanos taste and towering over his hundreds or 1000s other album review is so good it’s unlistenable at the end of the day. By him.

[@TheJerbol]

2:50 I get that, but I still find it weird when people play Michael Jackson and just jam along and all I can think about is him abusing children

[@TofuSoup91]

This still doesn't explain why you listed LostProphets as your favorite musical act of the 2000s

[@darudesandstrom1067]

Edgy boi over here

[@dancegregorydance6933]

Ian Watkins is a fucking monster.

[@dancegregorydance6933]

What Ian did was much worse than what Alexis did. (Both are evil, I am not downplaying.)

[@_demitri]

Are these albums still 10s? Guess we'll never know, I made the whole video about meeeeeeeeee

[@jrandaman989]

Can i just say the melon has one of my favorite communities online. The discussion of whether or not you can seperate art from the artist, financially supporting said artists and whether or not fantano had an obligation to no longer platform these artist is an incredibly nuanced and complicated subject and these talking points so often get conflated with each other its just so refreshing to see a discussion about this subject without the bad faith and straw man arguments

[@goddamndog]

Sorry, no, you can't say