What cards do you think have aged poorly? Which ones do you expect to become outdated soon? Let me know down below!
@craigrgriffin6 ай бұрын
RIP Breya
@sylvaintellier47876 ай бұрын
I haven't seen Triskelion shenanigans in a while... Same with Bomberman combo
@Logic-cg7qy6 ай бұрын
Take a drink every time he says bowmasters
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
New cards good 😔
@syndicate53576 ай бұрын
*you have died of alcohol poisoning* like its the cEDH trail lol
@zaiser116 ай бұрын
For the commanders I'd actually say that for decks like Zur and Gitrog it's more to do with the communities being stuck in the past. The Zur playerbase is really set on how Zur plays and the Gitrog community actually made it's primer impossible to learn from on purpose.
@mzheng22176 ай бұрын
Zur I think is playable now due to Borne. However, it doesn’t mean it’s back.
@zaiser116 ай бұрын
@@mzheng2217It's not a question of if Zur is back, it's a question of if the deck has had any real attempts at innovation since Kaladesh.
@jhook68656 ай бұрын
I still jam Anje and Worldgorger, with PITA off Hoarding Broodlord. Yes I do get blown out sometimes, but it's still one of my favorites to play.
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
You gotta stick with what you love
@METROIDFAN2586 ай бұрын
Literally laughed out loud at "Bowmaster Victims" 😂
@TheCodingle6 ай бұрын
Talion still runs labman
@dave_86006 ай бұрын
You offended me like 6x in 3 minutes man. Imma rock my WGD till MTG no longer exists.
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
It's still awesome, just doesn't show up as much nowadays.
@john_wick2726 ай бұрын
As a TnT pilot for years... Flash ban hurt, dockside put us behind, and bowmasters is killing us lol
@MrSonictheOtter6 ай бұрын
Bowmasters really put the deck down in the dirt. Both commanders draw and kill all the dorks. Makes me sad.
@Voodookick5 ай бұрын
As someone who started to brew for EDH/cEDH last year, coming from Modern/Legacy/Timeless, I appreciate the fact that I kind of saw the writing on the wall for a lot of the things you discussed in the video and feel pretty vindicated by where I stood lol. I do think the format still has a lot of potential to grow its meta by the way I was ingratiated into the different popular strategies then and now. Solid video
@OneTimeImp9026 ай бұрын
I run Scepter/Reversal in my Niv-Mizzet Parun cEDH list as a back-up combo, it would probably be the next cut depending on future sets!
@kstandish426 ай бұрын
I'm still working on Winota, pure damage and extra slots dedicated to protection of Winota including bad cards like Lightning Greaves haha. Never going to let this deck go!
@Stryxgg6 ай бұрын
i used to play a tasigur deck that ran all three planeswalkers you showed here
@shyuugaheero26146 ай бұрын
Zur took 2nd at the SCG 5k in Philly!
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
I saw that! I'm really curious to see how it'll shape up through this year, it's got more people working on it now and definitely showing up more than it was a year or two ago.
@dr.hardballer6 ай бұрын
@@LemorasCardsAlso comedian took 4th with a sultai hermit druid deck that ran Raza and Life/Death. It was neat to see throwbacks.
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
@mrbagleman I think The Master is in a super unique position to take advantage of a lot of different packages, it's really cool to see. I'd love a sultai list that can consistently show up and do well in big events.
@Joolenplus6 ай бұрын
Problem with walkers is the blue farm match up which is everywhere. Kraum just killing most of the good ones in 1 hit. I'm seeing people play minsc and boo and I'm just like idk how you get away with it unless you're literally dodging the most played deck or opening drannith every game. That card has been completely useless when I've tried it in bruse thras
@jaysuede26276 ай бұрын
Hmm. Should we just ban: Rhystic Study, Dockside Extortionist, Underworld Breach, and Thassa's Oracle? Starting to feel that way.
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
Underworld Breach is cool though 😎
@jaysuede26276 ай бұрын
@@LemorasCards I know. And I love it too. I love all four of them. But the homogenization is real.
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
@@jaysuede2627 yeah hard to argue against that.
@MRAIClassroom2 ай бұрын
It may make it more interesting for sure… but I don’t think we should… it’s cedh leave it as is….
@jediabaja6602Ай бұрын
or just ban Magic the Gathering from your life and play a different game
@SteelDevilReal6 ай бұрын
Except Rocco, Kenrith and Najeela, I prefer old cEDH commanders
@damo99616 ай бұрын
My Cephalid Breakfast Hermit Druid list is barely high power casual these days
@chainer1918Ай бұрын
I was waiting all video for Oloro to be mentioned and finally with exactly 1 minute left in the video my boy was acknowledged. I’m a die hard Oloro cEDH player, Chainer will always hold a special place in my heart, but Oloro will always be my favorite
@caelanmasters59983 ай бұрын
Small tidbit for dovin's veto at the very beginning, some blue farm pilots like myself do use dovin's veto, either show me swat or your thing gets countered.
@LemorasCards3 ай бұрын
Yeah it comes up every now and then in a few lists, that's usually the case with the different two mana counters that have various upsides.
@kevintiemann68756 ай бұрын
You covered Brainstorm followed by lim-duls vault…Yuriko staples FTW
@a9sdg9oajs6 ай бұрын
i still jam lim duls vault in sisay. It gets around oppo agents
@mattswanson51024 ай бұрын
I don't know why but 4+ color piles just seem so uninteresting. Maybe it's the fact that they lose their color identity.
@benjaminpurvis70466 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!! I almost proxied a full Kess turbo deck for cedh today. I love the turbo gameplan and i'm switching to RogSi even though it's tier 2 ish. :)
@TripsAhoy6 ай бұрын
Glad my boy Gaddock Teeg didn't make this list! Cause we all know he's the man! T.y. for keeping that secret safe! ❤
@jtyree02266 ай бұрын
They don’t know about the Kithkin Advisor yet
@diegorezi57606 ай бұрын
KZbinrs and some players foget that exist something called "highpower" There cards like lab. Maniac, defense grid and beast wirhin shines there But I really agree about the cantrips, cantrips outdated Yes, worldgorger dragon today is really bad, razaketh also kind of outdated. I really love to use dark confidant, but makes no sense today...
@midnalight64196 ай бұрын
I still jam Oko because in reasonable creature decks he can elk a couple one rings and do other stuff
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
Being able to elk ring is gross
@psytpd6 ай бұрын
playing a fringe commander for 3 years now in cedh its fun to see and agree with a lot of cards on this list and the hours of discord discussion as to why i made certain cuts. Teysa scion was a huge razakat reanimator deck. it came to the point with so much new hate for breach lines and other ppl running reanimate and agatha that it was risky to put anything of value for more than a turn in your own graveyard. I have moved off many creatures like blood artist for elas just because 2 toughness means surviving OBM to win the game. Plunge into darkness I still swear by because you dont have to go all in with it. sometimes its good play just to dig 5 cards with it at end of opponents turn before yours. shred memory is also becoming more relevant now with tutor being an ability and having exile grave cards. I agree with a lot mentioned here the decks needed to adapt to new meta threats which make some go to strong lines or themes of the past less relevant now. you rarely see any 3 color commanders now and i think unless partner most 2 color commanders have access to a large enough pool of good stuff now that you can lean heavy enough into a theme and still have answers. Korvold fell off the face of the earth and that was a threat 2 years ago. marneus is an example of the amount of value you need in the command zone now if the commander alone is 3+ color. I think master transcendent may have a chance since its doing its own archetype and very well. and depending on new enchantments i can see zur maybe becoming relevant again.
@toctheyounger6 ай бұрын
Oof, I'll take WGD, combo is a glass cannon for sure. Vilis hurts though. I've had crazy runs with that card. Incidentally i feel like the fear of bowmasters is more impactful than the card itself. Card is strong for sure, but youre not getting got by it every game. Like pulling dorks and draw engines entirely seems overly cautious. Edit - I feel like hermit druid isn't entirely gone. Theres a lurrus uensen build out there somewhere. Ive been brewing thrasios tevesh with Tyvar, Jubilant brawler in the 99. Decent card, and it turns your druid or witch into a sorcery, which is workable. It even allows a doomsday pile.
@mrpleb1236 ай бұрын
People are also allergic to running creature counters in a creature heavy meta as well, stern scolding is a good include to deal with stuff like docksides, bowmasters, ragavan, copy creatures etc and you're right it's not worth cutting all the good draw staples because of bowmasters, if you're running green you also have veil of summer
@brendanmangan62253 ай бұрын
Still jamming kess over here funny I find it performs almost better then before since nobody respects her when she is on board...used to be gilded drake target number 1 before 🙄
@joshmc58826 ай бұрын
I miss sultai. Ban dockside!
@damo99616 ай бұрын
If your commander has high toughness and/or ward and you don't run many creatures, then Brainstorm is still ok - feeding the opposing Bowmasters hurts someone else
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
It's mainly that Brainstorm is just a bit low impact in this format to be worth a slot in most decks.
@Forthelulz014 ай бұрын
I have been a cedh lurker on and off for years, took a break around 2021, and now I'm floored at the changes. TnT is not dominant? Tymna is mid? Green is beneath white and red? Stax doesn't exist? Wheels died? Wtf happened lol. Coming out of this time capsule is crazy. If you went back to 2017 and said red is a top color you'd be jailed for insanity.
@LemorasCards4 ай бұрын
Well a few of these are pretty accurate, TnT is basically dead, Tymna is still pretty good as TnK reigns supreme, green is down bad but looks to be getting strong cards in MH3, Wheels are good though not every deck runs them, stax currently is basically replaced as an archetype by ability based commanders that build out combo wins like Sisay or Magda, Red has two of the most busted cards in Underworld Breach and Dockside but doesn't have a ton of bangers.
@Lefthandedprick6 ай бұрын
I have high hopes for The Master Transcendent to bring back sultai on the map !
@1996BlueMan6 ай бұрын
Just won my LGS cEDH event this Monday with him. Breakfast is back on the menu.
@GremlinsKilledChristmas6 ай бұрын
Not me just adding lim duls to my cedh list to try out as a search alternative with so many opp agents in the format. Trying it out over Diabolic intent.
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
I cut a little segment where I said it should probably see more play as a potential payoff.
@inkmoth24706 ай бұрын
Usually when I see the word "yet", I'm compelled to say "yait" as well.
@nots0funnyguy6 ай бұрын
I loved running Kess and Winota, but my pod eventually moved passed them. I still play Gitrog though. It's like a slot machine. I win early or I die.
@your_priscylla6 ай бұрын
Holding back... the urge... to respond about... Razaketh... being on here... (have some interaction from me Magic Man)
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
It's cool and good, but it's gone from "I expect to see it" to "ooooh spicy"
@psytpd6 ай бұрын
yeah it was a big day when i pulled raza out of my deck. it took looking over excel sheets of date to realize that i wasnt winning enough with that line in my deck and actually loosing to having it in my deck almost 50% of the time with a year of data. it opens up a lot of slots in the deck to put other cards in so keep your deck list saved with and a new one one without and compare. I still side board it in time to time its a really fun line!
@your_priscylla6 ай бұрын
@@psytpd oh no no I'm sorry, I'm not saying I agree with Razaketh being on here XD I'm currently playing a reanimator deck (often against Matthew) and I'm just jabbing about how it's still good. Def not as common or abuseable in every deck, but still an insanely broken card that's v good atm
@yosoyyod2001Күн бұрын
please do a video in how orzhov could be playable in cedh
@dougclendening58962 ай бұрын
Why isn't dark confidant played anymore?
@LemorasCards2 ай бұрын
@dougclendening5896 pretty slow, Tymna attacking is less of a main plan now, dies to bowmasters, and there's many creatures at that cost that get much more value.
@Bronkeykong6 ай бұрын
Thank you for these! Still building my first deck to play and have loved learning with your channel
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
Glad you've enjoyed them!
@James-rf4mp6 ай бұрын
Dude, I am loving your videos! Cover SCG Philly!
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
Thank you! I might cover it this week.
@danielschmidt71436 ай бұрын
outside of abrupt decay what would you recommend running instead of assassin's trophy?
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
Depends on your colors and what permanents you're worried about, generally I'd just try to avoid 2 mana removal especially if it's got double pips
@danielschmidt71436 ай бұрын
@@LemorasCards problem is nothing really does what trophy does for the cost. I usually play Abzan.
@YourLocalSN1P3R6 ай бұрын
I’m still on Yisan. 14-2-0 in my local meta rn.
@benjaminking36776 ай бұрын
Orcish Midmasters
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
😮
@dm10046 ай бұрын
lim is older than plunge
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
I meant Plunge being popular was longer ago than Lim being popular, Lim is a WAY older card though haha.
@PrinceofPain17766 ай бұрын
Zur would like a word…
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
I'll talk to Zur when it's back to being arguably the best deck in the format again like it used to be.
@PrinceofPain17766 ай бұрын
@@LemorasCards The deck is A-B tier... I am not really seeing the unplayability factor.
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
@PrinceofPain1776 I never said it was unplayable, I said it used to be the top deck in the format, and right now, it's newsworthy if it gets a top 16.
@PrinceofPain17765 ай бұрын
@@LemorasCards ok. Difference of opinion, then. I think the idea that an A tier deck making top 16 is newsworthy is really strange, though.
@timtauber55576 ай бұрын
Or maybe some of these cards are still relevant and can still win games.😅
@sharkmanyt443117 күн бұрын
I mean, tymna is as good as ever
@inkmoth24706 ай бұрын
On a more serious and engaging note, how is Yeva representative of cEDH in the past? Yeva's been the cEDH community's pariah since day one, but has remained ever present. Perhaps you meant Yisan or Selvala, lists that have struggled tremendously in events in the last 5+ years compared to Yeva.
@ultrakombou6 ай бұрын
This channel is a fringe I'm suspicious of
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
Mfw the sus channel has a fringe take 👺
@nCedric16 ай бұрын
Every time I hear Planeswalkers are weak in commander I want to stop watching the video. Let me ask you, in WHICH format are they good????? This is the format they're good in (regarding commander as a whole, not cEDH), because it's not a 1v1 combat focused format like every other AND Wizards only prints planeswalker removal 90% of the time on black cards which are unefficient and won't be played. You're telling me an INCREMENTAL VALUE PIECE THAT'S HARD TO REMOVE is a bad card type in a LONGER GAME FORMAT? WELL SORRY FROM THEM FOR NOT PRINTING A 2 MANA PLANESWALKER THAT WINS YOU THE GAME IN THAT VERY SAME TURN. 90% of all artifacts and enchantments that are printed never see any cEDH play, ARE THOSE BAD CARD TYPES BECAUSE OF ""StAtiStiCs"?? I fucking hate planeswalkers so much, they're bullshit, they're ALWAYS the problem at a casual table, and I wish they never got printed. I feel respite for them not being good enough for cEDH, but as a card type in commander they're incredibly strong and y'all are TRIPPING if you say otherwise.
@jtyree02266 ай бұрын
You wrote all to forget the title of this video is cEDH
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
Planeswalkers get the same boost enchantments do in casual commander in that you have a lot of time to sit around and develop to build your engines. But individual planeswalkers are often weak because of how free it is to take them out since every deck is likely to have creatures in play and theres three opponents. There's only a few strong enough in cEDH to be worth getting one activation or to try to protect.
@nCedric16 ай бұрын
@@jtyree0226 you wrote a snarky reply to forget that I said I was regarding commander as a whole and not cedh
@nCedric16 ай бұрын
@@jtyree0226 miss me with that "Sir this is a Wendy's" bullshit. Everyone says their format isn't good for Planeswalkers. Btw weird that Oko is bad whilst we're currently in midrange hell..
@Joolenplus6 ай бұрын
Kraum literally swings once and kills most planeswalkers. What are u going on about? The only one that really sees play in cedh is tezz the seeker and that's cuz it's basically copy #2 of the one ring and a win con for certain decks. If you think the take is dumb, no one is stopping you from playing a bunch of walkers and proving them wrong.
@mageguild6 ай бұрын
Terrible take
@LemorasCards6 ай бұрын
There's way too many "takes" in this video for this comment to be helpful.
@craigrgriffin6 ай бұрын
You mean this comment?
@damo99616 ай бұрын
I agree with pretty much everything he said in this video, what is the terrible take? He's basically looking at stats from recent tournaments, his points here are largely objective.
@tokertalk96483 ай бұрын
i can see top, scroll rack and a lot lesser played top deck tutors gaining some popularity again with people testing out powerbalance