Are These Just Over-Rated Garden Practices? - From The Stash Podcast Ep.174

In this episode we talk about the garden practices that we think are over rated.
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[@terryskorczewski4727]

I have been using Dr Earth organic fertilizers for my last couple runs and I have found that it works as well as Gaia green at a much lower cost

[@StanMNdirt]

On the subject of lights I have 500 w total, a 300 in one and two 100 w in the other. Much more power would be hard to regulate not to mention keeping three cats from ripping my tents to shreds. I think my main point is to grow our own way with the space and resources we have access to. Find a routine that meets our own needs and grow style and we’re good to go. When a person feels like they know their stuff and just grow it’s very rewarding. Chasing the newest and best equipment and making sure everyone knows is a young man’s obsession. Most old folks just want to enjoy their gardens and it doesn’t define us anymore than planting tomatoes or mowing the lawn for the past fifty years. Good points, I like this episode.

[@johnpierce4742]

Hey guys! I use fabric pots, but I'm ALSO using ACI self watering saucers, and the system operates by capillary action with wicks and fabric pots, which help facilitate the wicking action. I have been growing since the 70s and have tried most everything pertaining to growing. I also owned a hydro shop for 15 yrs. Long story short is that there's more than one way to skin a cat!!😂

[@joegreenfield704]

I have been growing since 2005, sometimes it feels like more than half of modern grow.. everything is over rated. Techniques, gear, genetics! So much of it is seriously over rated. Growing now days is just a marketing war zone.

[@dans3969]

I stressed a plant so much that I let her flower a long time over 60 to 70% amber where she produced some seeds .... I planted those seeds and they germinated right away and growing great at this moment even bigger than the mother.....can't wait until harvest.

[@andrewklokoc5229]

Would those technically be like naturally feminized?

[@dans3969]

@@andrewklokoc5229 yes

[@bigholesinears420]

My last Chemical Bride had 1 seed in it and Im so happy I found it cause last time I had a plant just drop a seed it made the dankest bud. No herms, no males, just a Virgin Mary seed!

[@BartholomewFarms]

One piece of advice I’d offer to a new grower is buy small stuff to start, u can always have a 2x4 light and buy a bigger tent and add some more smaller lights, I started by buying huge tents and settling for crap undersized lights…do t do that lol

[@gangofgreenhorns2672]

In that same vein: to fill a final-sized space people can buy HPS for nothing, save money on buying bags of flower in the short term, and then when thats paid for itself (and then some), upgrade to the LED setup they need, and save on electricity.

[@joegreenfield704]

YES! this is my favorite episode! This needed to be said! If growers would just try things and learn what works for them they would save time and money. Tune out the marketing! Don't pay 100s for seeds!

[@joeymasterson4395]

Yes at the 12 minute mark Rob throws a knowledge bomb! Learn to grow first, before chasing genetics. Dial in your system, then expand. 👍🏼

[@anthonyrafferty8594]

That is exactly what I am doing. I got a plant to grow outside and even though it was no good I learned a little. So I spent almost the last year just watching videos instead of just chasing beans. And once I have a good harvest of smokeable flower then I will work on the reat.

[@jakebrake7054]

The grow light topic is full on. The best grow light company out there, in my humble opinion, is MIGRO. In terms of efficiency, spectrum, and lumen maintenance (the ability of the light to have the same output on day one as day 500). They’re absolutely correct when they mention Shane from MIGRO.

[@Dave-zc6mx]

Where do we get trusted genetics from? I just recently saw the "fake seeds" video... so Idk... Great video... you guys are a wealth of knowledge

[@footygrows]

Love this episode fellas. Can’t stand when people try to make it seem like you have to do things a certain way to get great product. I go for the grow and find out approach rather than stressing about everything being exactly dialed in.

[@jjjjjasonjjjjjackson]

I would love to hear a conversation about what the maximum temp drop at night should be for cannabis and maybe a conversation about what to look for when looking at the Color Spectrum graph as far as what stage the plant is in.

[@StanMNdirt]

My 2x2 drying tent setup has the electric motor and racks with clips. I got the idea from a Highagin episode. I have a vent fan and carbon filter and setup the humidifier next to the drying tent intake vent. I have one of those thermometers with a probe so I can monitor the inside without opening it. I like around 50-55% and the buds moving on the carousel as it prevents mold and rot problems. Depending on the size of the buds five to seven days to dry and at least a month of curing. Flushing and watching the flowers is east as well. I don’t go for flavor but everything tastes good nowadays. That’s pretty much all I need. The only time I’d purchase gear would be an upgrade to something like a better PH meter or replace something that broke. I’m from the car generation and we tend to build and/or fix things. That spills over into gardening.

[@bryanhayes67]

All the new stuff coming out lights,fans,tents, etc. Is awesome. I remember my first grow a plastic pot ,mircle grow soil, and an amazon light, no fan ,no humidifier, and it was outside in my shed 😂😂 It grew, and it was OK Some of these new lights and setups are not needed for the normal hobbiest That said I'm sitting here looking for a new bar light 😂😂😂 great show guys 🤙✌️

[@jimmyanderson420]

Where's the Minnesota growers at....LETS GO GROWMIES!!!

[@DarrellDrinkwine]

Still in hibernation. lol

[@jimmyanderson420]

@@DarrellDrinkwine what part of Minnesota u at?

[@DarrellDrinkwine]

@@jimmyanderson420 northern

[@farmjohnny]

Just North of the Cities. Attended Canna Connect on Saturday.

[@jimmyanderson420]

@@farmjohnny blaine here...whats canna connect

[@joshualopez1038]

Much respect to all growers. And much love for build a soil . Live in the same town as build a soil. With that being said, I was stand offish of them. I spent the last two years looking into their products. I'm all in with build a soil this year. Just hand made 210 gallons of soil using there products. I'm more confident this year than any past year, and I grew quality trees last 4 year.

[@markcantrall9923]

You guys hit the nail on the head with your starting comments concerning the ENVIRONMENT !!! Dial that in, and the rest is easy peasy ! TIP... For ID growers a good easy way to control many things within your plants environment is your exhaust fan/fans . Exhaust fans can reduce temps. and humidity, create air circulation, and input clean air too!!! In my ID setup I have a photocell ON connected to my exhaust fans. Lights on, heat on, fans on !! Research environment for weed you'll be glad you did !!! Peace

[@comfortablynumb9342]

I keep an exhaust fan on all the time in my flower tents.

[@shanebemish3072]

Sometimes il dry in 5 days and its still super dank ive only had hay smell once and it was a 7 day dry ,,so idk how i feel about that i also usually have nothing but dank stinky strains so that may be part of it

[@netfun8]

Cannatrol is 1600 bucks, way atta my budget... Living soil keeps it more simple, no pHing, just water until mid flower...I liked the discussion.

[@StanMNdirt]

If I ever get an extra $1600 I’d buy another guitar and keep using my homemade drying tent. Retired guys can’t afford the fancy stuff just to get a 3% increase in quality. I’d like to see some comparison grows setting an average RH as opposed to fine tuning the VPD. I’d be willing to guess that the difference would be negligible. It would be interesting if someone could compare some of these things on real grows and give the results.

[@GenXFarmer77]

I've tried to talk about growing with the ppl in dispensaries too and gotten the same response and a few even told me they know nothing about growing so i realized they are just clerks which tells you how far we've come cuz it's just a job to them and they care as much about how it's grown as clerk at the grocery store cares about how the tomatoes they sell are grown.

[@Superlow2015]

Agree with alot of what you all are saying on this episode. Been running Electric Sky V300 for like 5 years. They still work so why change. Bummer to me I won’t be able to buy replacements when they finally do start to break down.

[@stephown5374]

Great talk. I feel that due to the variety of ways a person can grow that advice for one way gets confused with another way (organic, synthetic, indoor, outdoor). Also people growing indoors freak out about conditions that outdoor are natural (i.e. drops of water on leaves magnifying sun - this can happen outdoors naturally, as long as there is air flow to help plants "shake it off" it is not an issue). I'm sure you can think of so many more examples of things people confuse between grow styles and things they freak out about that are non issues.

[@terryskorczewski4727]

How do you compare stash blend with recharge what's the difference

[@waynestubbs5128]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here as I don't use store bought fertilizer, but the way I understand it is that Stash blend would be your base nutrients and Recharge would be a microbe enhancer to make the Stash Blend more readily available for the plants uptake.

[@Mad_Medz]

I currently dry in a bathroom too and the results are 🔥🔥😂

[@jeremyromero9217]

I only like AC Infinity 's inline fan with the controller 69 and the Cloudforge smart humidifier, as for the lights I don't like the fact that they're magnetic. Studies show that a magnetic field near plants can either make the plants more appealing or make less appealing, when it comes to quality. This depends on which magnetic field is near it, the positive or negative magnetic field. You guys should look in to that and do a show on that.

[@tracyshoemake9686]

Humidity it's all relative,I used buckets of charcoal brikets for humidity. I don't know if it worked or not,I missed cooking out though.

[@downlowgarden7103]

People can pay 1000s for lights im growing some str8t fire with some viparspectra lights im happy with what i got. Yeah i want better but i cant afford the best rn i have bills 😂

[@truthonly7699]

i got 4 of the small vipar spectras, 150 watts each, hung them in line in bedroom, 4 plants under them got a little over 2 lbs first run, nice quality, 10 gallon fabric pots, gaia green fert. so i only spent less than 400 on lights. no tent

[@downlowgarden7103]

@@truthonly7699 hell yeah man I only got 1 p1000 an 1 p2000 an giai green with fox farm ocean forrest soil in 5 gallon fabric pots but probably going earthboxes this year

[@mattadams7031]

I run a mix of both I mix my own soil and syn fertilizer coco worm castings insect frass biochar and louts nutrients and recharge with bullet si it works well

[@timpage5021]

I’m with Rob organic attitude is 100% over rated and hyped. What the organic cult don’t understand or forget is the same element is used by the roots whether it’s organic or synthetic the element is the same . Ones just already in the usable form and the other has to go through a bacterial process to broken down and plant available. Masterblend or Jacks for the win.

[@KrkIDTrPD]

I’m pro salts I understand scientific method I understand plant chemistry

[@Virginia_cough_factory]

Salts and coco for the win!!! ❤💪

[@TimJameson-jg8sl]

Just started using stash blend so excited

[@Insideorganics]

I chose AC Infinity and dialed in the environmental settings and let it rip Also pay attention to your local environment for as humidity to know if you are needing either humidifier or dehumidifier Like Mr Grow It lives in a dry climate & for me I live a 5 minute drive from the largest wetland swamp in north America so there is that I get rain & humidity all the time except for July August & September when it's so hot and dry the ground is cracking So time of year that you are in also matters

[@bennybenz.]

"Keeping up with the Jones", LOL😂😂 And Shane frm Migro is Awesome! Been watching him for like 5 yrs or so now! 👍💯🤙✌️

[@Whisperhollow]

I'm not smart enough to figure out how to build an indoor grow set up. I just would grow small outdoors by planting late. Hide with other plants and shade cloth. AC Infinity allowed me to actually have an indoor grow because they are plug-n-play. It took a bit to learn the app, but easier than teaching myself to be an electrician. Barrier to entry has been lowered by ACI. I like the all in one kits where everything is sized for the tent that it is intended for.

[@matrixresetinprogress]

I always as part habit part technique I'll top after the 3rd leaf node starts. Then do an all round tie down. Week mayhaps 2 later I throw em in bloom. Every cultivar in bloom carries from 8 to 16 mains. Two more weeks in bloom I'll trim out and mainline the bottom less lighted sites. Let her go until that 8th, 9th or 10th week and ,,,, chop.

[@Chappyfatman]

With mainlining all the training is done in veg. Once in flower, there's not really anything to do...

[@djtomtrain2015]

Very useful info. Best podcast yet.

[@vernlunsford4449]

Hey Chris! Fellas❤

[@invisible4405]

I am still on my MH & HPS & would not change it at all. Tried many times with LED but never ever as dense buds. DLI/PPFD/VPD, all that stuff dialled in back to back.

[@eduardogarza6844]

Please don’t underestimate humility cuz from my experience early on was PM was caused by hi humidity but actually you can get PM if your humidity being low by your plants transpiring to much so even though you don’t have to be perfect please stay as close to your VPD range as you can

[@eduardogarza6844]

It’s an advantage if you have a drying room at 60 60 cuz you will never over dry cuz that’s ideal environment for curing

[@ChrisB...]

Dry in a humidity-controlled tent at 63% (60f-65f) and it's impossible to over or under dry, it just eases into the cure-zone at around 7-10 days with the terpenes locked inside of the buds.

[@nguyen613p]

My last run i had it set at 62 temp and 59 humidity and the actuall day i pulled was day 16 and it was purfect. Curious if co ditions are near purfect without o er drying would a longer dry be better for the end reaults?

[@chloe59k]

I use a small grow tent with a humidifier and fan to store long term

[@BlackGoku42]

Great video! Lots of interesting topics touched on. For a lot of this stuff it seems we dont have enough metrics to be sure, at least not specifically for cannabis. Lots of valid anecdotal though!

[@markcantrall9923]

HILARIOUS boys !! Organic growing !!!

[@JoeSpeakman]

Is turning the lights off for multiple days before harvest over hyped??

[@chloe59k]

Topping you loose a top you don't add any. Mainline can give you bigger colas only which is nice I like trying different things and ways. It's a Hobbie not a job

[@jasonwadejohnson]

I use a 5gal bucket with 2 bubble stones in it for humidity in a 5x5. Works great and it's reliable and simple. Keeps it around 60 to 64. Once the plants get big enough, they take care of it. Don't buy a humidifier.

[@MinnesotaHighLife]

Hey guys great show. I think that 60F/60 RH is overrated. At those exact conditions the air is holding all the water it can and a slight drop in temp can trigger dew to form because it reached dew point. I've been very successful in the tent with the exact conditions Cannatrol uses for their default settings.

[@YoungJester.]

🤘😎👍 there is a place for all the hype ofcourse. The market exists for a reason around all of the aspects of growing that warrant significant hype. I also see this hype as a benefit to the community, as in it fuels creative change and innovation within the space. Great content guys.

[@jamies2013]

Pigeons that track suit is for younger men 😅

[@undergroundish3135]

Leave him alone he looks comfy and fly

[@pugglesprindle2698]

drying and curing is the most important and difficult thing to get right in growing, bar none.

[@groovysanti]

Trying everything you see online on the same grow is over rated!! Keep it simple and learn your systems, the growmies are awesome at explaining every step of the way!!

[@OgLtBlazer556]

IMO Mainlining is Prefect for Growing out a Mother Plant.

[@anthonyrafferty8594]

You guys should look up bright living light bulbs so that when one of you has something to say, you can just ture the light on. 😂 It's equivalent to having an idea bulb . Once you look them up and see what they are you will get it. But they have a little button on them that you can use to turn it off and on. But you can also use them by holdìng them the rifht way in your hand. Anyway if you do this i will know that it same from me and plus everyone will have the chance to speak. P.S. Thanks for the great videos.

[@markcantrall9923]

Long term storage of weed is very important !! It must be dried and cured properly first, then keep at 50-60 degrees F. in an air tight container . Burp at least once a month!! You can go colder, but refrigerators can cause humidity probs !! Burp at least once a month!!

[@FXCartel]

That's why I get trichrome jungle seeds. Wins countless cups an breeds for terps not chasing the hype train. UK scene gave you cheese

[@nguyen613p]

??? Suppers fellaz, just curious whats is your opinion on the mammoth light with the added green led lights added to the fixture? With all your guys expierience do you think itll make a differance? I was looking to upgrade from a 640 watt gro prow fixture and was hoping to jump on something thatll last me a while? Any opinion from you guys would help future happiness. Thanks fellaz!!

[@timpage5021]

That’s a fantastic light from a stellar company

[@markcantrall9923]

Concerning drying/curing... humidity and heat is your enemy !! Control it and you'll be fine !!

[@jjjjjasonjjjjjackson]

Lol, the Joke about Organic Growing was Truly Organic

[@anthonyrafferty8594]

Are high THC percentages all they are cracked up to be or are they over rated ?

[@CertifiedOldguy]

I am wanting to get stash blend.on my next run

[@Dab_Marino]

Dab Marino as your next in house guest. 😊🔥 Thanks dudes!

[@carlkiser3797]

You don't need all that the plants have grown for years under any condition

[@joshish6331]

Which strains are overrated?

[@johnkehoe8368]

lollipopping also over rated you can use all that larfy stuff if ya want for hash and if your scroging then no need to take it off you have great airflow and your just losing more product

[@vernlunsford4449]

Let Dr Grow it Speak🎉

[@samchapple6363]

60/60 is @ dew point, as pointed out by the cannatrol inventor, where did that bad advice come from?

[@markgillard8113]

GTA 6 ? how about Red Dead Redemption 3

[@markcantrall9923]

Be honest you guys all smoked a fatty before the show !

[@comfortablynumb9342]

"A fatty"?! I think it might possibly potentially be more than one, and probably more than 2. 😜

[@Catch_u_reloadn]

Well I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints and then I smoke two joints so there's that😂

[@comfortablynumb9342]

@@Catch_u_reloadn we can smoke 2 before and 10 after that too

[@joegreenfield704]

And some truths spilled out!

[@PinkHatMan83]

How are you guy, today?

[@KrkIDTrPD]

I can burn my plants with my s33

[@KrkIDTrPD]

Ac infinity is 100% perfect

[@junkinstein2856]

Not ph water in organic growing when you should

[@Garage_Grower]

Love my canntrol not over hype

[@Funhouse585]

Pidgions always flexing his kicks

[@dixielandproductionco.6989]

Someone mention cannatrol hoot hoot

[@sunnohh]

22:00 most factual statement of all time

[@jongggrowss4202]

Dude it’s getting creepy early stop it right now u silly boyzzzzz lol. Shane is the man and I can’t help it when there is a seed sale can anyone say no I man barney Farms had by one get one I couldn’t say nooooo o god I am having flash backs I need to buy more more more it would cost me more if I buy when it’s not on sale lol 😂. I am not a snob about organic I don’t think it’s any better then synthetic it just works better for me just me

[@nikolasmaes99]

Your sponsors probably won't be happy but this definitely had to be said. We're thinking "the money I used to spend to some black market dealer now gets reverted to growing so it's cool". Causing you to buy all kinds of crap u don't rly need.

[@OgLtBlazer556]

✌️😎

[@thomascooley2749]

Lol fallout new vegas 2 will likely come out before gta6 Im still waitin for metal gear to make whatever comes next maybe and nuclear fallout end of world war lord chapter for metal gear will be next

[@haentz]

Most overrated thing are those "deficiency charts".

[@TheGrowBros]

You mean I no can be grand massa unless I has 2 g birds? 😂

[@michaelsia8305]

❤️‍🔥

[@Invisibleman1776]

My plants are breast fed from Jeremy’s coconuts milk…

[@TheOriginalGus364]

Rob let the others talk a lill more. 😅

[@Virginia_cough_factory]

Rob talks so much because I believe he has the most actual growing experience. He's very knowledgeable and everything he says is correct mostly. No bro science. I like that 👌

[@juwanndunlap]

Am going to grow with ai help

[@4getaboutit536]

🤙🏼

[@alonzoking6124]

GTA is overhyped

[@timpage5021]

60/60 is far far from over not being overated .. 60/60 is the gold standard for drying for a reason. Those who’s been doing this for decades comes from experience of 60/60 and 70/40 for example., As close as possible to 60/60 is gold

[@MichaelB-84]

Are proper environmental conditions REALLY important? 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️ Come on guys, lol.

[@PinkHatMan83]

Co2 when you have a lung room.

[@Catch_u_reloadn]

Lung room same room that I enjoy in so yes co2 is good

[@johnswoboda2986]

Cut down the Gorrilla Glues, honey! They just released Gorilla Zkittles. And while you're at it throw away those crappy Samsung 281b's, we are ordering 301 Evo's....

[@JimCabbage]

Love the show, but your just repeating the same shit

[@Spanky-ju6rc]

Why is he continuing to want to die on the hill of topping. He mentions it every other fucking video it seems. Why can’t you just leave it alone, and let people prefer to do what they want. Another question, LST requires you to tie down branches, sometimes make holes in your pots, you risk breaking branches, and stunting the plant. As opposed to spending 15 seconds taking off 4 tops. The time factor alone, is a plus. He acts like if you top your plant it won’t recover, or it’s somehow detrimental, let’s say they are the same, same results either way, wouldn’t you want to go with the method of less work? It’s nauseating.

[@twistedrootfarm]

The reason I have all the new ac infinity stuff is because I was just starting and after massive amounts of research every thing I have is aci. Best decision I have made

[@Virginia_cough_factory]

I bought 2 $550 HLG 350R's 3 years ago. Best purchase I've ever made as well. Paid for themselves 10 times over!!

[@timturk1899]

Perfect timing for The AC Infinity products! IDK about their "refillable Carbon filter", they recently came out with, though. More research needed for me. No doubts about their other products. Top tier! Many are trying the refillable I believe other good filters I've gotten were advertised as "Machine packed", which meant much more Carbon for catching VOC's, and more time in the filter. But I may be surprised at the results!🤔👍💯✌️

[@Featherless1]

The only thing I have found worth buying from ACI are their tents, because they are thicker... Everything else you can get just as good if not better for less.

[@Views4rmdamud]

I don’t chase new strains but I do prefer them over old strains! Growing and smoking!

[@johnswoboda2986]

Aci is the GOAT, still I have zero of their stuff.

[@RedEyEdJeDi-420]

Whats over rated is still the legality issues between states...why is it ok for someone in a different state to grow legally but I can't or I face jail? We're both citizens of the same country right!

[@angiesproul8604]

We need to get the congressional officials to fight for us all!

[@undergroundish3135]

Normally I would answer you by saying yes we're all in the same country but with the apparent madness our country seems to be currently awash, I think maybe we're too divided right now.

[@johnswoboda2986]

Yeah, If you like weed go to California, if you like gun's go to Texas. If you like both, smoke a joint and then shoot yourself. 😂

[@LandOf10000Grows]

@@undergroundish3135 Exactly, we have much bigger problems than what's growing on in someone's closet

[@BreathingSoma]

i bought an array 5x5 when i upgraded my grow cuz shane is the man and helped me so much understanding lights

[@Virginia_cough_factory]

Rob hit the nail right on the head. Learn to hone your growing skills before investing in expensive new equipment. You can't maximize your crop without healthy plants first. I dry in my bathroom too. Runs 67 degrees and 61% humidity. Drys perfectly 👍 Pigeons420 cracked me up we lost 35% of our audience! Stash Blend is awesome stuff don't be modest!! Great show guys 🎉

[@ChrisB...]

Dumped my fabric pots for generic air pots and never looked back. They are perfect!