Are Ukrianians Russian?

Many Russian politicians justify the recent actions of Russia in Ukraine with the excuse that Ukraine and it's people are Russian. In this video I try to explain why this view is problematic by delving into Russian and Ukrainian history and the origins of those nations.
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[@RodolfoGaming]

KZbin: we demonetized you because money. Bulgarian Empire Mapping: then surely you won't mind me talking about controversial topics and still sustain the channel through patreon. KZbin: *gasp* ooohh nooo!

[@J4R0D]

Kind of, it's like Germans and Dutch. Much closer related than most other groups, but still distinct. Like a little brother or sister.

[@christiankalinkina239]

Nah more like german and Bavarian

[@J4R0D]

@@christiankalinkina239 Bavarian is a dialect, not it's own language though. Culturally, it is a similar situation, but Austria would be a better comparison due to the small language differences imo.

[@bobjk3455]

@@J4R0D well bavarian is a southern german/high german dialect so bascially a brother of austrian rather standard german. plus culturally the bavarians are slightly closer to austria than other parts of german.

[@DK-tv6rk]

More like Germans and Austrians

[@warmalgruenertee]

Question: How do modern Bulgars see themselves. The states and peoples name is Turkic, the language is slavic and the ethnic is... actually Thracian (?) What would you say is their actual belonging?

[@marto8044]

Most of us see ourselves as Slavic. Most probably because of linguistic and cultural similarities with Russians, Serbs, etc.

[@aeneas7381]

Thracians were wiped out by Attila the Hun

[@rawka_7929]

@@aeneas7381 not fully, a group doesn't just get wiped out like that

[@katzereich1467]

Honestly mostly slavic since our language traditions and culture are slavic. We honor the accomplishments of the Bulgars who were responsible for establishing an actual functioning state (and Empire) but other than that their culture and language are long gone.Still their legacy remains. As for thrace many people indetify as having thracian heritage or DNA . Especially in the Southern half of the country where I'm from. However the only things that have remained from them are their crafts and a few old traditions like in Southern traditional dancing Our educational system makes us study ancient thrace , then pre-migration slavic peoples then slavs in the balkans and then the dissolution of Old Great Bulgaria when these 3 cultures meet together. I guess ethnicity is really strange and sometimes artificial thing especially in the balkans. Hope i answered your question.

[@warmalgruenertee]

@@katzereich1467 Yes you answered my question thank you for your reply ^^

[@21LeonidasZ]

Great video. I would like to correct the following: 1. Macedonians are Hellenic people. Slavomacedonians are indeed Bulgarians. 2. The concept of ethnic identity is not new. It became popular in late centuries but all ancient Hellenic states/kingdoms had an ethinc identity as well. They were divided for various reasons but overall all of them knew that there was something in common that linked them.

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God bless you Leonidas!

[@21LeonidasZ]

@@_GC_ Thank you my friend. God bless you as well.

[@stephenchappell7512]

@@21LeonidasZ The Macedonians were hellenised and in later centuries were absorbed into the slavic world however more recent DNA mapping suggests they remained distinct from their neighbours both north and south

[@21LeonidasZ]

@@stephenchappell7512 That's not accepted in the scientific literature and is a propagandistic narrative of NM. In reality, ancient Macedonians were Hellenic (Doric) people. Modern Macedonians can be found in the region of Macedonia, Greece.

[@rawka_7929]

Yes although it largely isn't the same thing as today's ethnic identity, afterall if was so long ago if took time to mature into the same thing we got today. Not to mention a lot of Greeks also later abandoned it during Eastern Roman times to call themselves Romans already making it even more confusing. But I do agree ethnic identity existed earlier, I'd place the birth of the Bulgarian identity during the reign of Tsar Boris and Tsar Simeon The Great, although a baby back then it came from a mix of Thracians, Slavs and Bulgars and took a lot of time to develop but if I were to place a concrete time period of when it was born, it'll be that.

[@banekovacevic8584]

Your quality is getting better and better by the video. You deserve much more views and subs

[@rawka_7929]

Great video as always man, ik that you probably get a lot of suggestions on video topics, must be hard to choose sometimes but as long as you keep up the great quality people will watch. And I also enjoy your neutral perspective you don't let stupid stuff like nationalism guide you and that's another great aspect of this channel. Overall keep it up man, we're all loving the content

[@arisandreopoulos9247]

As a Bulgarian how do you view Basil II the Bulgarslayer ?

[@historyrhymes1701]

As I said in the video when viewing history we shouldn't let modern biases limit us. Basil is probably one of the most competent and successful leaders in history so my opinion of him is overwhelmingly positive.

[@ivokantarski6220]

@@historyrhymes1701 if not for Kievan Rus capturing capital earlier the great and competent Basil ll wouldve been a wine cup. Ей няма да направиш видео алтернативна история эа това България да бе на страната на Антантата.

[@BringBackCyrillicBG]

As a geeek how do you feel about Kaloyan the Roman slayer ?

[@arisandreopoulos9247]

@@BringBackCyrillicBG I do not know this man but I know Simeon the great and I quite like him .

[@arisandreopoulos9247]

@@historyrhymes1701 Thanks a lot for for answer it is what I expected . I really like your channel and your objective approach to history I hope your channel grows a lot .

[@Ali-bu6lo]

Though most countries have developed their ethnic or national identity in the last 200 years there are cases where something close to it had been achieved centuries or even more than a thousand of years ago. The Han Chinese identity or the Iranian identity are such examples.

[@rawka_7929]

Just shows the vastly different cultures all over the world some which value some things more than others, truly fascinating

[@athenianproductions593]

Novgorod uniting Russia whould do a Very good alternate history senario

[@martimsalvador9186]

Or poland

[@athenianproductions593]

@@martimsalvador9186 i think there are already plenty of these

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@@athenianproductions593 oh really?

[@athenianproductions593]

@@martimsalvador9186 i think there are 2 i think the title was if Poland became a superpower

[@mirianvanidze3280]

What exactly would change? Or do you think Novgorod was an actual "democratic" republic lmao

[@lancemusgrave7087]

Thank you for the interesting video.

[@alcazar9266]

its rlly crazy to me how good your videos are for how low your subcount is, did u have a background in graphic design or something? just joined your patreon also :D

[@amadiohastruck4331]

You said little of the Belarusians

[@historyrhymes1701]

Maybe in a separate video!

[@maddogbasil]

Cossacks were slavs that took up turkic steppe customs Dressed like tatars Fought like tatars Lived like tatars Even the word cossack is a turkic abbreviation for khazak or khasak Now that's fine The cossacks themselves respected the tatars and at times even fought with them Seeing themselves closer to tartars than russians or poles at one point But that was in the past Their are many peoples throughout history that adopted a foreign culture with their own twist to it But it's always good not to overshadow your origins Their are many that nowadays simply cosplay as cossacks and deny the turkic origins of cossacks That is not how the cossacks of the past ever acted

[@sabrina1380m]

They adopted Caucasus culture too

[@maddogbasil]

@@sabrina1380m true

[@Propowidnyk]

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[@DiegoYankovic]

What is your opinion on north Macedonia as a Bulgarian and a historian

[@auhbean6572]

good vid, i sub

[@theveryproudmoroccan2834]

Very Underrated channel

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[@kaanberk6577]

Good video

[@somerandombaconboy]

bosniaks are serbs and macedonians are bulgarians tho. i mean they have mixed with turks, serbs, greeks, etc... but the core mostly remains. hence why croats or thracians are different than serbs and bulgarians due to thousand year different occupation, allies, etc... unlike those who were only around 400 years and lived next door

[@NihilSineRex1881]

Can you do a video about Romania (not the history in general but some event that it’s about Romania)?

[@historyrhymes1701]

Probably will at some point

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@@historyrhymes1701 The different European phenotypes are more discernable than cultures, languages or flags. Due to historical invasions, the phenotypes have changed over time. It resulted in there being multiple phenotypes of Europeans spread throughout different nations. The French word 'nacion' was comparatively more racialist than the globalist civic nationalism that we see today.

[@cristiani.lepindea8676]

Lupu meu e mai șmecher! 😎

[@seanchernov7178]

Finally someone mentioned the Republic of Novegrod

[@VladikVP]

Wait... what? Why are you demonetised? All of your content is as PG as it gets, it's literally just animated pictures of maps

[@laboskie349]

One word. War. KZbin doesn't like any mention of violence

[@Gordons1888]

Both yes and no are a right answer

[@baronghede2365]

Some may be and some not, Blessed Be.

[@russiandoomer945]

in other words; yes they are an extension of eastern slavic culture, which was hegemoninated by russian nationalism. Yet by that point these lands were the frontier and borderlands, making it harder to fully implement the nationalization into completely identical one whole, the idea of a "russian", thus by the time when various thinkers came about ukraine still remained as this peculiar extension of russia of yet not fully Russified eastern slavs... allowing for an idea of being different take hold, and be warped by the ideas of self-determination.

[@kostadintarakov9865]

Bro you are bulgarian mapping why don’t you make something about bulgaria again like the marseille assassination for example

[@hernancortesfranciscopizar7916]

Hi Do video between links bulgarians and "north macedonians " please , thks

[@TheHatersarebad]

What if Rome conquered Germania?

[@nightvvisher7713]

its okay video, but you should have mentioned that Rus prinicpalities had some comon identity, that was shown in battle of Kalinga river, where they all united to face mongols...

[@lostorico]

Can i Dub it in Italian?

[@historyrhymes1701]

Sure

[@lostorico]

@@historyrhymes1701 Thankie buddy!!

[@bulgariannationalist1637]

Kievan Rus is Third Countries Russia Ukraine and Belarus 🇲🇰🇧🇬🤝🇷🇺🇺🇦🇧🇾

[@iliqiliev]

so many people on the verge of anuyerism here in the comments, good video and a really good take

[@Johnstone_Studios]

According to Putin, Yes

[@Y_Surniaiev]

it's only unclear what kind of fantasy border is shown on the final map. The Crimean peninsula since the independence of 1991 was internationally (including Russian Federation) as the sovereign Ukrainian territory and the Russian occupation of 2014 does not change it

[@alfieingrouille1528]

The answer may surprise you

[@micahistory]

great breakdown, just because a group was one ethnicity (if we take their claim seriously) one millenium ago doesn't mean things haven't changed now

[@foreverflamingo7693]

to understand this you must look at how the other countries percieved them... if a polish man came ti kyiv he said that the people in these lands are "rus" ...lets take germany for example...they were "germanic tribes" yes there were different german tribes but they were all "germanic"....people always find a way to divide first planets then continents then counties then muncipalities then citys then villages, then family.... so whats even the point...people are never "the same" unless they have a reason for it such as uniting for a bigger cause such as forein invasion or in todays time to "win an argument". we dont even know the real history we just know what was written of it...and that could be propaganda as well lol.

[@TyresaerysTargaryen]

That thumbnail is incredibly disrespectful in light of current events

[@Satsuma-tm8ep]

They are slav

[@alonsohace-ox5zp]

For being an history channel you're being inncacurate for political correcteness: It's called Vladimir and it's the first rus of Kiev. Also not speaking about the 20th century is a obviously a delibarte detition to make an artifical gap between contemporary russians and ukranians.

[@dontsadkiddo2251]

Срамно е да се казваш Bulgarian empire mapper и поне да нямаш български субтитри

[@Propowidnyk]

you still have many Soviet myths ​

[@jankopetrovic7141]

Soo if I understood correctly Ukrainians came from Russians and Poles that run from their country and got some ideas about making their own ethnicity

[@user-mv3ql2zs9q]

Poles are now eastern slavs that lived in Southern Kyivan Rus'? Okay

[@OrkosUA]

Ukrainians did not come from Russians and Polish, we were always different from them.

[@bosniencommie1202]

ukrianians arent russiens bosniens arent serbs and masedonianians might be bolgarian

[@G0TIMAN]

kievan rus with ukrainian like flag is really cursed xD

[@henrykkeszenowicz4664]

That's the banner of grand prince Yaroslav the Wise and his relatives. It just happened that Russia stole the banner of Palaiologos dynasty for their coat of arms.

[@G0TIMAN]

@@henrykkeszenowicz4664 Russia has the same right to the heritage of Kievan Rus as Ukraine. And... well. I didn't mention russia at all. I just said it looks strange like putting modern russian flag over it.

[@henrykkeszenowicz4664]

@@G0TIMAN Well that's true too, the heraldry is still different and I get your point. It's like putting the flag of modern Greece over Eastern Roman Empire.

[@chavdarnanov6165]

не

[@Cheesy_33]

KOSOVO JE SRBIJA 🇷🇸 🇷🇸 🇷🇸

[@MegaWunna]

Ukrainans are ruthenians and not russians. Ruthenians is what Ukrainians where called in history

[@user-xc1br1vo3d]

Ruthenians are Russians , historical manuscripts say so .

[@edwardsd6967]

History on Roman view/// Bullshet

[@zacharyrhodes8254]

Yes

[@gautamkumarkamineni2900]

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[@andriusgimbutas3723]

The other way around

[@kaissersreich]

In other words: Yes they were Russians until the late 18th century when ideas about a "Ukrainian" nation was born. The region was also called Malorussia (Little Russia) before being renamed to Okraina (which means "province" in Russian) in the 16th century. All tho Ukrainians nowadays have the right to call themselves "not Russian", they should accept how their history really was, same with Bosnians, Macedonians and etc.

[@r.d.6290]

Okraina can be translated as Borderlandia, lol

[@user-mv3ql2zs9q]

until 19th century we called ourselves "Ruthenians", descedants of the Rus'. Also "Malorossiya" is a greek word for "Closer Rus'" due to it's closer location to Constantinopole

[@OrkosUA]

Nope, Rus and Russia are different things. Ukraine comes from kraina which means country. Ukrainians were always distint from russians

[@quartztemplar3676]

Even the Russians called Ukranians and Belarusians separate to Russian as "Ruthenian"

[@DelijeSerbia]

Thats not really true. Ruthenia just means land of the Rus and it was used to describe all Rus lands.

[@quartztemplar3676]

@@DelijeSerbia But in regards to pls Russian Imperial ethnic views, they saw Ruthenians as separate to Russian. That's the context to the separation, that even the Russians saw a separation between the two and that the meaning of Ruthenian perhaps changed

[@DelijeSerbia]

@@quartztemplar3676 before 1900s the Ukraine was called Little Russia. You can argue there were diffrences but they didn't see themselves that different. It was same as Moscovites looking at Novgorodians or Rzanians or whatever.

[@zyanego3170]

Serbia is Kosovo.

[@NeveroOn]

Short answer: yes.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

The answer is yes, but they don't just know yet.

[@user-xh7wg6yn5o]

They are !

[@tomytoma6287]

For me Russians ukrainians and belorusians are one people ,ukraine is a land made up by many nations and made up from lands taken by the russian empire from other nations, ethnic identity is new , especially in the Balkans where we are all mix from something.

[@Silver_Prussian]

Less oppressive and much weaker minded novgorod you forgot to add

[@lamastu2156]

I'm gonna disagree about ethnic identities was created at 19th century. Greeks was nation during Persian wars even where built in different states with different governments. Herodotus says that crearly in his history. The other Europeans yes was made nations after they became country first. The first ever country was France, second Russia and third England. But they where not nations before. Greeks was. Also Hebrews, Punjab, Armenians, where nations before the birth of Christ and before they form their country. As for "Macedonians" they are not Macedonians, they are Bulgarians mixed with Serbs and Albanians. Macedonians are Greeks, descendants of ancient Greek Macedonians and only them they have the right to called Macedonians. No one else. Is like Slovaks start to call themselves as Bavarians just because they jealous the German Bavarian history. YOU see the things with Bulgarian perspective but you are wrong because modern Bulgarians they have nothing to do with the original BULGARS who was Turkic people. Modern Bulgarians are by 60% Slavic people, 30% Greek people who lost their identity and 10% other nationalities like original BULGARS, other Turkic people and Romani gypsies. Also no connection with ancient Thracians as Thracians or where Hellenic people or Hellenised. They was not Slavic for sure and the descendants of Thracians they mace the second Hellenic civilization of Eastern Roman empire who today knows as Byzantium. History means the history of the people not the history of the land. The land change hands. History of the people (nationality-ethnos) means same bloodline, same language, same tradition and same religion even the last today dosent exist. The only nation in Europe who remain the same are Greeks, no one else. All the others are mixed people who created countries and after their national identity

[@captainmccuckin2698]

Yes