Are We Living in a Different America?

[@aarishowton8037]

I saw a guy talking about a Trump voter he had been talking to, a 65 year old woman, who voted for Trump because she “didn’t like that Biden overturned Roe V Wade”. I think at this point we need to accept that at least some portion of the country is just unbelievably stupid.

[@kosmokritikos9299]

My concern going into this election was weather stupid voters would be able to eke out a victory when the votes were counted. They were.

[@DroolRockworm]

Unbelievably stupid and will go along with Trump as he becomes a new Hitler. Look at history, the parallels are eery.

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

She actually thought Biden did that? Alrighty then 😂 Trump repeatedly bragged about that as his biggest accomplishment

[@badabing3391]

this is what happens when you keep telling people to vote before they can be relied on to know what they are voting for. A basic exam in order to vote would be nice, and education provided if they dont pass. Cant vote until you pass said exam

[@EShirako]

The thought that this was true for more than a handful of people hurts my soul...but 'stupid having shifted the balance' makes sense. Especially among the young male first time voters who apparently felt so 'de-manned overall' that they thought Trump was the only way to be 'manly again'. I wonder what they are hoping for from him. We'll have to see.

[@ppss.6302]

I woke up today with this weird sense that the people around me and this country feel totally foreign, like they’re from another planet. I can’t seem to get rid of this feeling. I’ve never experienced anything like this in the past 40 years. Not even close.

[@tim55075]

You suffer from main character syndrome, likely due to early onset SSRIs use. The truth is no one even thinks about you and never will. Enjoy screaming into the void for the foreseeable future.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

I don't like comparing Donald to the Austrian guy from the 1930s, since I think they're not really the same. However, I'm starting to realize that we probably would have elected the 1930s Austrian guy if he had been running in this election. At that point he was running on pretty similar issues and rhetoric... Maybe that's where your weird feeling is coming from

[@matthewb.7172]

Were you in a coma the last 8 years? Since 2010, this country has demonstrated its entrenched racism, hatred, and fear of progress.

[@casey2782]

@@tim55075 For the sake of your brain, get away from technology - social media, in particular - for a week or two. You'll feel a lot better for it.

[@matwinner9708]

I’m feeling the same way even though I’m in Quebec; with his mass deportations plans we fear a refugee surge , as we are already saturated

[@rfhurt1]

They don't care and they don't notice. As long as injustice happens to someone else, people simply look the other way. We have a nation of not good people. It's been that way for a long time.

[@Olive_O_Sudden]

Oh, they don't look away; they enjoy watching injustice happen to other people.

[@freeheeler09]

Exactly!

[@BigBlack81]

@@Olive_O_Sudden They do blackface victory dances and then look at you surprised when you're outraged about that.

[@BAGELMENSK]

With that mentality you deserved this loss. If you don't want to be American, get out

[@ivoted-5489]

They don’t care because one reason is: we have raised several generations of strong women and weak men, hence the young men’s misplaced anger. This election was about misogyny.

[@garybowler5946]

Apparently we've been living in a different country for years now. We just didn't know it.

[@justleaveit1557]

Did the definition of Racism change? What is a woman? Do you have a test that can read my unconscious mind and prove I am racially biased, not an opinion, a a test proven by science. Did these things not make you feel like you are in a different country? It sure did to others. Why wouldn't it?

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@justleaveit1557 I was a bit surprised that we elected the guy who has been copying slogans from the National Socialist German Workers party. But, I guess I don't know how many people noticed he was doing that.

[@milascave2]

@@justleaveit1557 It is posts like yours that make me think that you and I really are not living on the same planet. Are these the things that really have the most effect on your real life?

[@bobpurcell8357]

I'm gonna miss all that; the feeling that I'm surrounded by basically decent, reasonable humans that can distinguish shit from shinola. A comforting illusion, it now appears 😕

[@bobpurcell8357]

​@@milascave2 (re: Capt. Q-Anon, above) This is yr brain on Fox News? 🍳 We're all in this Twilight Zone together, but I'm not sure what that's worth anymore 🤷

[@carolineharwood6464]

Very similar to the Brexit vote in U.K. Voters didn’t have a clue what they were voting for. They found out when it was too late.

[@somecuriosities]

What bull. The UK didn't vote for Brexit twice!

[@joaomonteiro1258]

Indeed

[@thomasjones4570]

You chose to vote for someone chosen for you by the oligarchy after being told for 4 years Trump was the greatest threat to Democracy....get actual woke and leave the party like so many minorities are. Its all bold faced lies.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Prove it.

[@Govanmauler]

It's the same in as much as it's poor people happily voting to get poorer because a wealthy guy had memes

[@walterclaycooke]

What policies did trump advocate that would lower grocery prices?

[@DennisMoore664]

Actually the opposite, the tariffs he's made such a big deal about will raise them.

[@matthewb.7172]

His voters don’t want policies. They want to hear someone confidently saying “I’ll fix it”

[@Obiamajoyisrmd]

The average American couldn’t care less about the policies or identity politics. That’s what democrats continue to either fail to understand or fail to accept. Americans want to believe that the stuff that sucks today might be fixed and the person to fix it seems confident in their ability to do so. Elections will continue to be won by the candidate who focuses on “self-interest economic populism.” That’s Trump.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

He didn't. But people don't know how economics works. They just know that they felt better, economically, when he was in office (ignoring covid because everyone has mentally suppressed that part of our life) than they have the last 4 years. I guess they just think life will magically be like that again. The tariffs are going to be a big kick in the face to a lot of people, if he actually implements them. That'll drive prices up a ton

[@annetteroennow9694]

Absolutely none!

[@c.a.savage5689]

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain people will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H.L. Menken

[@bradjbourgeois73]

But... TWICE?!

[@williamjameslehy1341]

Mencken was an elitist prick who would almost certainly be a Trumper today.

[@bthomson]

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me!

[@seansmith3058]

​@@bradjbourgeois73 More. That quote was last in circulation during the W Bush years.

[@SirBlackReeds]

@@seansmith3058 Except Bush wasn't a moron. Note that it was his Democratic opponents and their buddies in media and the entertainment industry that branded him a moron.

[@alvinfell4471]

He doesn't think he is above the law ... he IS ABOVE THE LAW

[@rickyal9810]

He is now...

[@SirBlackReeds]

@@rickyal9810 Did you forget that he was found guilty in hush money case?

[@housetheunstoppablessed4846]

@@SirBlackReeds They're not gonna press those any further. He's not going to prison. they are gonna likely drop the charges given you cannot charge a sitting president.

[@slimyelow]

SCOTUS nodding

[@rickyal9810]

@@SirBlackReeds Oh yeah, that's right then and he had to serve that hard time and mortgage his...oh wait... He also is never going to face another judge again thus my point, SCOTUS made sure of that. I better be quite, though, he's been taking notes from his boy Putin.

[@TokyoLamia]

It's hard to think of a society as great that passively endures nearly 2 mass shootings per day.

[@neonmarblerust]

And 10x the car crash rate of Europe.

[@Juan_lauda]

It’s just something you need to live with because it’s someone else’s kids. But eggs at $4 a box is unacceptable and I’ll accept a dictatorship to save $1

[@itsgoingtobeok-justbreathe4808]

I don't think our society is "that great". I don't think we have been for a long time.

[@thomasjones4570]

Wow so its now 2 mass shootings a day? I wonder what other lies there are that makes up this party not even close to being in reality.

[@SirBlackReeds]

@@Juan_lauda Technically speaking, Biden's term was a dictatorship. Because the various agencies were very much in line with Biden's agenda, there were few to limitations on what he could do, especially without dementia or whatever he has.

[@1006walt]

88% of black women voted for Harris and the vast majority of college graduates supported her as well. The education level of the voter is the issue.

[@meeners87]

92% of black women. Still too low in my opinion.

[@Andrea-zm1nl]

No. Gerrymandering and the electoral college are why the election is BS. Every four years the districts are redrawn to tip the scales in favor of the person that the wealthy people want in power, then the electoral college casts the vote for the person who got the most votes in your state, but this is after the districts had been drawn in favor of one person or the other. The problem is that the system is corrupt and rigged. If you voted blue, but you live in a red state, you wasted your vote. It didn't actually make a difference at all. We don't have a true democracy.

[@balham456]

So black women in the US are university educated?

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@meeners87 Voting should not be done, based on race!...I voted for Kamala, because she is so obviously more intelligent than the Trumpster!

[@meeners87]

@@curbozerboomer1773 I meant that more black women should have voted for her *because* she is more intelligent and had better policies. Nothing to do with her race.

[@lutinab5265]

Feels like Im grieving the loss of a loved one. My emotions bounce from denial, anger, shock, and deep sadness. Im also so ashamed of the standing Amercia has in the world. I knew the average American has little to no education on politics or history. Working in the educational field, I saw the decline of what was being taught. I see what other countries are teaching. The decline of America has been going on for many years. I pray we've now peaked. God only knows where we go from here. But I dont have much hope. Im too old, disabled, and finacially unable to relocate out of the country. But I refuse to call him my president, and I will do all I can to fight evil!!!

[@eriklewis133]

I can relate to your post & cycle of feelings . Empathetic social worker - so we are kindred spirits ( Educator / SW ). I can’t believe the “They’re eating the …” & “Grab ‘em by the ..” charlatan grifter authoritarian is what Americans wanted. It’s just unbelievable to me that people said - yep, I want more of that. Its just profoundly disturbing to me. I guess we have to press on … but it’s oh so troubling to me.

[@canopusstar5157]

Same! He’s a Nazi; that people, even the intelligencia, refused to call him what he is is on all of them. I am old and no doubt will die a great deal sooner than my health would indicate because of this. I would rather be dead than live in what is coming.

[@lutinab5265]

@eriklewis133 I'm an empath and feel the sadness everywhere. We must find a way to stay grounded during this difficult time. Especially as an empathetic social worker, your profession is desperately needed. Walking barefoot in the soil. Spending time in nature. Unplugging from the news as much as possible. I don't know many people in my area as I'm fairly new. But after volunteering at the county Democratic Elections office a few months ago. I'm gathering some of the dems to meet. At the very least, we can be a support to one another and at most brainstorm to find ways to be proactive. Here's to being a source of light during this dark time.

[@eriklewis133]

@ Great to hear from you ! Words of wisdom & hope are appreciated. We can make it! Virtual high five 🖐️ ( thx )

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

I can call him " the President" without claiming him as " my President" I didn't vote for the guy 😂I don't have to claim him 😂

[@jaeolsen-x1x]

This sure isn't my father's America or the one in which he raised me. I'm glad he didn't have to live to see it.

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

Unfortunately it's not the same America many of us grew up in

[@EShirako]

My father openly laughed at me for believing in "Law and Order", decency, and all that...apparently he just wanted to win to be 'slightly-racist and blame everyone else for it'. That's my still-surviving dad's take on it. He betrayed every Republican tenet that I was aware of when I was younger, and also betrayed everything except his "Deals with the Devil are okay if it screws over non-my-kind-of-Christians" religion. He was entirely a lie, and even admitted such, which I was both appreciative of and disgusted by. He wanted to win, he wants transgender/gay/awkward people to go back to the margins/shadows/being-dead or whatever, and he wants the never-had-it utopia of low-taxes-and-the-world-was-great that he sees in his mind, but no, he is firmly against taxing anyone, ESPECIALLY the rich because it's just us 'punishing them for being rich'. Funny how he forgot the top-earner tax percentage of his youthful heyday of the early-70's was actually 70%, versus the 37% today for the top earners. I can't imagine why our national debt is so huge...oh wait, what if we nationalized every billionaire's revenue in just the past TEN tax years so as to replicate that 70% tax rate...what would that do to the national debt? BIG dent? Maybe, especially if you charged back interest like they should have paid, and knocked the interest off of our national debt in turn..! $34 trillion national debt right now. $15 billion income a year for Walmart, $30 billion per year for Amazon, almost a TRILLION for Apple...of they and their rich CEO's paid their fair share...or even just 'more than they pay right now' which is often little to nothing!...we'd have a MUCH lower national debt. Trump's gonna cut taxes on himself and his buddies again though, I bet. Like he did LAST time, too. We ALL need to pay more attention. I'm starting to think that the R's have a central 'plotting committee' somewhere, and we need to find, cripple, and bring down whoever it is. Stop things like the 2010 Census misuse that let them calculate pre-gerrymandered districts for us to 'grow into' based on Census projections that seemed harmless at the time, and now we are 'enjoying' the result of their slow murdering of the education system...that's my suspicion. I wish I didn't have a "Mystical They" hiding somewhere in my hypothesis, but I'm starting to think there IS one. Like the guy who LITERALLY was the '2010 Census' "Hey, this would be a good idea" guy, Chris Jankowski. He made "Project REDMAP" (I think was the name) become a project, and the R's set to it. There's a book about it, "Ratf**ked: The True Story Behind the Secret Plan to Steal America's Democracy" by David Daley. Also look up the Republican "Two Santas" strategy. It's been there all along...now it's just all coming together.

[@moonman239]

My grandfather died a Trump supporter back in 2017. This isn't the America he would've wanted, either. At least, I suspect it's not. He was a Republican but a Christ-loving Mormon first.

[@janetappmeyer7483]

@@moonman239 My father and grandfather were ministers and would have both been appalled to see what is happening. Growing up, the teachings of Jesus was totally different than what you hear today. I believe that this is one of the reasons why many churches are closing.

[@faeriesmak]

@@janetappmeyer7483 Can I ask how the teachings of Jesus that are being taught have changed over the years? I am not familiar with this at all!

[@Brent233]

This authoritarian train won’t end until there is a global catastrophe.

[@briannyob7799]

Yup. This won't be good for Ukraine or Taiwan.

[@c.a.savage5689]

​@@radiobaked The decimation of the population on a global level may just give the remaining ones pause. They may ask How Did We Get Here?

[@kevinjenner9502]

Any future actions by Trump in the Middle East are entirely dependent upon Netanyahu’s approval.

[@jaycoldwell]

@@radiobaked likely the opposite, right?

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Yes. One that imo will result in NTHE or even NTE. Look for those acronyms or Guy McPherson to find out what they mean.

[@deepashtray5605]

Now consider that Trump is convinced anything he does is not only protected from prosecution but protected even from being investigated.

[@tim55075]

Did you actually think any of the lawfare cases were legit? You sound so unhinged to the vast majority of Americans

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​​​@@tim55075Trump admitted (on tape) to doing worse than anything Hilary was ever even accused of doing, with regards to the classified documents case

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@tim55075 The documents case was hella legit! He admitted to worse that Hillary was ever even accused of

[@sawahtb]

@@tim55075 This right here is a brainwashed Trump voter. Anybody else would have been arrested, kept in prison, and convicted within 6 months of many Federal crimes. He stole those classified documents, tried to hide them, lied to the FBI and very likely handed over a lot to Saudi Arabia and Russia. The DOJ and the FBI were afraid of him.

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

Which is exactly why he campaigned to begin with

[@alexandriarudd4939]

Never in my life have I felt this way after an election. The potential is terrifying. Think 1930's Germany cannot repeat? Think again.

[@iainmackenzieUK]

worse - he has so much more real global power than hitler ever had (And he would be proud of that...)

[@critterwhisperer5821]

I've been frightened for the last few days. For my fam, friends, people I don't even know and myself.

[@thomasjones4570]

Talk about being brainwashed...

[@TeriyakiTofu]

The only thing remotely close to 1930s Germany we will see, or have seen in modern times is the propaganda machine being turned out by the DNC. You are so blind and so beholden to them you can't even escape your own lies. Truly sad. The good thing is, that the majority of America aren't as gullible as you. Night night puppet. 🇺🇸

[@kcrich1310]

1930s Germany is repeating itself today in Israel as the Zionist government is genociding the Palestinians just like the Nazis genocided the Jews. Of course I wasn't alive back then so I'm going by the history books. But I'm alive today and can plain as day see what's going on. Despite the Oligarchy trying to tell me otherwise.......

[@Madcat-bc8qt]

I feel like I’m living in “The Twilight Zone”’ and I fear it will only get worse. Trying to think positively but it feels impossible.

[@christineflower1918]

Expect magas to troll anyone with empathy or understanding of what's happening. Authoritarians take power by installing fear in the masses. It's already worked. We will submit to live.

[@ShirleeKnott]

@@lucianomezzetta4332 your reply is NOT what is going to help our country heal and come together. I hope he is going to prove me wrong for the sake of the country and the world. but seeing the hate spewing from his followers doesn't make it look likely.

[@kaycee2066]

On his path to full autocracy, let's see if Trump makes a strong push towards eliminating presidential terms. He's miraculously overcome nearly every obstacle thrown his way...

[@sawahtb]

There's one obstacle no living being has ever overcome.

[@userre85]

​@@sawahtb Dying from old age?

[@sawahtb]

@@userre85 getting old is irreversible. He's showing the signs.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Including Covid which should have sent him to the other side.

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@sherrygaley4675]

Anne: “that is not an excuse.” You’re the only one I’ve heard say that. You’re totally right.

[@jeffreypick57]

All this talk about the pandemic is bullshit. I am in the UK and my son lives in Orlando. I am just back from a month in America. He lives on an expensive estate with houses between $650 - $2m. It is rabidly republican. When I speak to his neighbours they all gave me 3 reasons they voted for Trump. 1. They don't like Trump, but they like his policies. 2. Inflation - which is a lie - they quote at me $10 for a dozen eggs, when clearly even in Publix, eggs cost $3.28. 3. The price of gas $7 a gallon. Again a lie, as we were paying $3.19 a gallon. They know this, but quote the lies like religious responses. If these reasons are not true and they know it, why did they vote for Trump ? Simply 2 reasons, they won't reveal or admit to, as it means they are horrible people. 1. Kamala was a woman. 2. She is of mixed race. Republicans were willing to vote for a convicted criminal, a sex offender, a liar, a fraudster, 6 X bankrupt. That tells you who they really are. All that real evidence, to stop a woman from becoming President. What do they think the world now thinks of America and Americans, willing to vote for this man, to be the leader of the richest and most powerful country in the world !!!!

[@landonbarretto4933]

Yes, his magats are immoral and stoopid.

[@KathrynTanner-t8f]

Well said. You've hit all the points. Trumpers accepted lies and rejected non-white, non-male leader. They have it! White male president and the lies will continue indefinitely.

[@billyb4790]

Yes we all voted for trump because we’re awful people. Keep telling yourself that and keep wondering why you’ll keep losing.

[@billyb4790]

Yes we all voted for trump because we’re awful people. Keep telling yourself that and keep wondering why you’ll keep losing.

[@anthonyrybicki1000]

​@@billyb4790winning doesn't make you in any way a better person though for choosing a morally decrepit leader does it? It just clarifies thst your electoral system is one which buys votes through PAC's and Musk.

[@jazzkatt1919]

Sure, we don't know exactly what this means. The thing is, none of the alternatives are particularly attractive. Maybe he'll do the horrible things he talked about, maybe he won't. The bottom line is, a majority of the voters were, one way or another, okay with the possibility. They may not have voted for him BECAUSE of his worst rhetoric, but they were willing to overlook it. And FWIW, at least in my neighborhood, the more hateful he got, the more Trump signs popped up. This is no longer my country. And it's not because of Trump. It's because of the people who chose him.

[@josephclark5414]

Those bad, bad, bad neighbors of yours. With their signs… and their hate. I’m sorry good people like you have to tolerate all those signs and that hate.

[@yogi30303]

​@@josephclark5414 😂😂

[@TheRayDog]

Ironically, being on the other side, I view people like you as lost. To support what the Democrat party has become is almost intolerable. The almost is key, because I do view you as lost. Indoctrinated against the founding principles of the nation. Where to start? It would take discussions of hours length, which I'm sure you're not inclined to do now.

[@pleasegoawaydude]

​@@TheRayDog Yeah, democrats are awful because we'd like women to be people. We'd like trans people not to be bullied to suicide. We'd like healthcare and mental health services. Yeah, I'm lost because I'd like my girlfriend with chronic illness to have some fucking rights, like any at all. You're all monsters.

[@jim2376]

MAGA: "I hate that eggs are $5. But I'm okay with a felon and a dictatorship."

[@thomasjones4570]

DNC "Trump is the greatest threat to Democracy but im OK with voting for someone the oligarchy picked for me". Get off the plantation.

[@jim2376]

@thomasjones4570 Oligarchy? Get off the plantation. Enjoy Project 2025, as Putin's pal strips away American rights.

[@jim2376]

@thomasjones4570 Vote for a criminal, get criminality. Enjoy the plantation.

[@DanFeldman-Edge]

Complete oversimplification and misrepresentation. You really need to get out of your bubble. Note that I did not vote for Trump.

[@jim2376]

@DanFeldman-Edge Hmmm. Yes, MAGA attacking cops on January 6, Trump refusing a peaceful transfer of power, violating the espionage acting, attacking women, etc. Yep, all a bubble. Right, got it. And you didn't vote for Trump. Got that too.

[@Peekul1]

After 9 years, I am exhausted. Hard to see where it's going.

[@EricDaMAJ]

Immigrate overseas. Panama is nice year round.

[@peterschaeffer]

'Woke' is hate. Hate lost.

[@Geo_Babe]

I feel completely sick

[@snowflakemelter7171]

I bet most liberals do 😂. Go Trump.

[@juliejems555]

I listened to this podcast for the first time tonight and realized that the people on the left truly feel as hopeless as the people on the right felt when Biden won. Listening to your arguments and fears make me wonder how this country will ever get together. I strongly feel that we are on the right track with Trump. Maybe in the next three years the Democrat party will actually be able to really pick their own candidate and not be told who they have to vote for. I believe Harris is relieved she didn't win. She appeared to be out of her league, and we never really got to know her. Disappointing.

[@straighttalk2069]

@@juliejems555 How do you look at Kamala and say she's not in a higher league than trump. You and the rest of the uneducated are the problem.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

ROFL!

[@EricDaMAJ]

Go touch grass.

[@romanamattia2835]

Nope. You voted for Trump you get the whole package. MAYBE I could excuse your voting for him in 2016 becuase "you didn't know". 2024? You knew. Good Luck.

[@randir14]

Oh no! A random internet person won't excuse me for voting for the candidate they didn't support. 😔

[@Toneloke-3000]

I predict a GOP economic crash by 2027

[@orangeyewglad]

What's fucked is they saw, they reflected, and they like what he stands for.

[@billyb4790]

He’s your president too

[@delta5297]

@@randir14 When the candidate you support is a lying, despicable fascist, yes that is a problem.

[@danielbazzy]

We are definitely living in a different America than we were before the rise of Trump 10 years ago. I’m a 29-year-old man from Grand Rapids Michigan and truly it’s astounding to me how right wing our culture especially with online Gen Z voters has become. I think our culture has shifted far more than a lot of people realize.

[@The_Ghost_of_Aristotle]

The conservativism of Gen Z to me is terrifying - 27 year old here

[@MrInkblots]

It is backlash on a national scale to the excesses of woke culture, fourth wave feminism and political correctness. You brought this upon yourselves.

[@erinsnook8537]

Agree. I’m in central Michigan.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

Woke has gone broke. The pendulum always swings back 😎

[@c.eb.1216]

They had to rebel against something I guess.

[@gregorywarnshuis323]

It really doesn't matter whether the people who voted for Trump intended to give him a mandate for the darker aspects of his agenda, they have now presented him with the power to do whatever the hell he wants.

[@itsgoingtobeok-justbreathe4808]

I'm sorry, but if you can't look at the bigger picture and vote to save democracy from a lawless criminal, b/c your groceries are getting too expensive, you don't deserve to vote. I live on a fixed very low income. I have had to borrow from Peter to pay Paul and rework my budget over and over to cover the basics-- I used to save $100 a month for long term/emergency, now I can only allot $5... but my poverty hasn't blinded me to the bigger picture! It's just so primative a response. And the people who voted for the megalomanic are indeed idiots! They're not idiots b/c they disagree with me, they're idiots b/c they don't even realize they just shot themselves in the foot!

[@TeriyakiTofu]

You voted for it, and are defending the people that forced you to rob Peter to pay Paul. Despicable. I truly hope you can undo the damage the left-wing propaganda machine has caused you. Democrat trash don't have a bigger picture. They only want to control you with fear and lies. They want your vote and that's it. Hope you wake up one day. 🇺🇸

[@geometerfpv2804]

He's not a criminal. Read what the actual cases are about. They are all complete nonsense. It's not even a grey area; they are objectively complete nonsense. Look at what the appeals court has said about the real estate case. They are going to throw it out. Laticia James RAN on destroying Trump, and concocted a "crime" to do the job afterwards (they really did "concoct" it: it uses a novel legal theory that has never been prosecuted. It is used to bypass both the state of limitations, and to upgrade misdemeanors to felonies.) It's easy to just hear "convinced" and think it's legit, but you really need to actually look at the facts of the cases. They really, truly are a political attack. You will see: they will all be thrown out. You make think it's unfair when they are, but the truth is, it's horrifically unfair that he was prosecuted under these circumstances in the first place. He was doing a perfectly reasonable business transaction, and the global banks on the other side of the transaction AGREED and testified in his favor. That's a pretty good first sign something is wrong...but there are many more. If you don't have time to read, just listen to the recording of the appeals trial. The judges are absolutely tearing the case apart, and basically asking how this could've possibly got a conviction in the first place (the answer: they found a single judge that viciously hates Trump. They managed to get that same judge for ALL of the cases Trump is involved in. Crazy, because judges are supposed to be randomly selected...) I get the whole "other people are acting under a primitive response" thing...but are you sure you aren't just doing a slightly higher-level version of that? Clearly you don't know the contents of the cases, so why is it appropriate to believe he's done something wrong? You don't even know what he supposedly did. Are you really intellectually superior, given that?

[@weirdpuppet326]

trump will make things more expensive, too.

[@SirBlackReeds]

The American people democratically elected to give Trump a second chance. Would it kill you to respect that?

[@TeriyakiTofu]

@weirdpuppet326 Wrong.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

"In the last few months of his campaign, Trump was free and open with his dictatorial impulses, as he talked about punishing “enemies from within.” If You really Believe this, YES we are. One America is Sane and the one you live in Isn't.

[@007kingifrit]

yea this is just a bunch of pseudo experts glazing eachother. they know nothing

[@billyb4790]

Are you the enemy within? No? Ok so stop worrying.

[@peterschaeffer]

'Woke' is hate. Hate lost.

[@CynthiaAleaseSmithEdD]

No. We are living in the same America who owned humans.

[@georgeholmer8563]

I've had enough of "understanding" voters who vote for the far-right.

[@EricDaMAJ]

Yes. Continue to believe your farts smell like roses. Learn nothing.

[@alquinn8576]

Trump is a populist centrist

[@georgeholmer8563]

@EricDaMAJ Oh you wise one, tell me, what deep and meaningful lesson do I have to learn? That people don't like women, LGBTQ and migrants? Or that they are happy with a president who says he'll shut down the press, deport US citizens and lock up political opponents as long the price of eggs go down? Or that most people, in the US and elsewhere, actually don't care about politics and just vote for whomever looks best? Or do you have some other wonderful insight that you wish to share?

[@georgeholmer8563]

@@EricDaMAJ Oh, please do enlighten me. What is there to learn? That people simply dislike migrants, LGBTQ and women? Or that the price of eggs is more important than democracy? Or that people just like a cool dude like Trump who tells it like it is?

[@EricDaMAJ]

@@georgeholmer8563 You are not only sadly misinformed but willfully blind. People don't dislike migrants. They dislike illegal immigrants coming here for a tax payer hand out and the criminal ones that commit crimes. Trump's supporters are women and LGBQT. Indeed, one of the leading members of disaffected Democrats is gay hairdresser from San Francisco. Tulsi Gabbard is a senior advisor. Oh, and this democracy you pretend to love? It elected Donald Trump.

[@ryansteve2893]

24:00 “America has overthrown over 63 “democracies” and has a strong history of supporting Dictatorships” Pr. John Mearsheimer (University of Chicago and most respected Geopolitical Academic)

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Add our constitutional republic to the pile as no. 64.

[@ryansteve2893]

@ Low IQ and missed the point.

[@peterschaeffer]

'Woke' is hate. Hate lost.

[@Darhan62]

I was born in 1970. My earliest memories were of my childhood home in Rhode Island: helping my parents in the garden or with groceries, playing in the snow during the winter. I didn't have much concept of history or politics or war. There was maybe one black kid in my kindergarten class, but I didn't have much concept of race. I didn't recognize it as an issue, and had no idea about the history of slavery, Jim Crow, or civil rights. In the early eighties I lived in Hawaii. My teacher told us about the hostages in Iran, and when Ronald Reagan was shot. One of the teachers read us George Orwell's "Animal Farm," and we learned about WWII and the Holocaust -- enough to know that in times of war people do terrible things to each other, and even to citizens of their own country if those people become identified as an outgroup. But that was history. The hyper-nationalism and fascism of the early 20th century was decades before I was born and we had learned those lessons and moved beyond that. We had democracy. And the majority of the people would never vote for a president who plainly and explicitly said all the kinds of things that, decades later, president-elect Trump would say during his campaign. I mean, we're not *that* stupid. We had ABC, NBC, and CBS. We had Walter Cronkite. It's not like people would believe some whacked out conspiracy theory that identified liberals or immigrants or Muslims or Asian Americans or any other particular group of Americans as a dangerous outgroup. Only fringe conspiracy nuts or the survivalists and doomsday preppers I began to hear about during the eighties might believe BS like that. And so I formed my sense of what was normal, my worldview. And by the time I entered college at the end of the eighties, it was fairly well established, and even 9/11 didn't really shake it with respect to my sense of how Americans saw each other. Then came the election of Donald Trump, then came January 6th, then came the defeat of the sane and reasonable Harris-Walz ticket to the Trump-Vance ticket, which seems like a possible path to fascism or theocracy, and quite plausibly an end to the US-led world order that we've had since the end of WWII. So where the heck are we now?? What country is this?? What happened to America??

[@susanspencer1267]

I was born in 1964, grew up in Ohio. I remember having a similar upbringing to the one you described. I feel the same. I pray for the country and future that my children are going to inherit. May God have mercy on all of us.

[@007kingifrit]

wtf is with left wing lunatics and long paragraphs?

[@josephclark5414]

It just became Great Again!!!

[@TheRayDog]

I was born in 1970 as well. Different side of the country, but similar American upbringing. I couldn't disagree more. Sane and reasonable the Harris/Walz ticket was not. Near communist, seeking to censor opposing views, politicizing govt agencies, placating dark forces around the world, managing the decline of American industry through govt handouts, and believing govt was the purpose, meaning, and essentially the God we needed to worship. I don't say those things to try to change your mind, but to rather show how two otherwise probably very similar Americans see things so differently.

[@007kingifrit]

@@TheRayDog this is the right response. the democrats are just coastal elites at this point

[@simontemplar404]

You have no idea how different it is going to be. You are screwed.

[@vrj40]

Was he not already President and you and I are still standing? 😂

[@garybowler5946]

​@@vrj40"Still standing" is a low bar to measure success. His mission has changed and his new guy timidity is gone. When the SHTF everybody and everything gets sprayed.

[@DennisMoore664]

Project 2025 and all the enablers he's going to put in his administration. Plus MAGA controls the Senate and it looks like they are going to win the House. Having all of Congress AND the Supreme Court while surrounding himself with people who will encourage and exploit his worst impulses? People definitely have no idea.

[@matthewb.7172]

@@vrj40He controls everything now. There won’t be anyone to stop him from destroying life-saving programs. Many people will not still be standing.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​@@vrj40He's done away with most of the people who stopped him from enacting his craziest impulses. We've lost a lot of the men and women who stood in his way last time. I'm not gonna make too many specific predictions, but I'll make one. Y'all are going to be in for a very rude economic awakening, if he ever implements his tariffs. Computers, for example, are predicted to jump 45% in price, if he does that. Make your major electronic purchases before he takes office!

[@michaelchoate6213]

Same. I've lost faith in my country and countrymen. I never in my life thought I would feel this way, being a proud American. Now, I hope the people who voted for him are prepared for a very bleak era that they voted for.

[@claudeabraham2347]

We are heading into peace, prosperity, & freedom. Justice for all.

[@beepboop5038]

@ that’s a pretty narrow and narcissistic point of view. Keep dragging those knuckles behind that smooth brain though

[@SirBlackReeds]

And what if that bleak era never happens? Hell, Trump's first term was surprisingly normal compared to the hype the Democrats and establishment Republicans were preaching.

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

You just realized how much you hate others if they disagree with you!? Are you an adult?

[@michaelchoate6213]

@lucianomezzetta4332 You elected a criminal felon who claims people are eating cats and dogs. Are YOU an adult?

[@FortunateXpat]

This nightmare began with Newt and the Tea Party. Then came a black president and a reality tv grifter who was smart enough to see that these people are easy targets.

[@montecarlo1651]

Yours is an undervalued insight. Those old enough or educated enough know that MAGA is just a new iteration of an element long within the GOP. The Tea Party is definitely a movement whose history should be understood if MAGA is to be understood.

[@rareexotics8020]

It started with Reagan and then Limbaugh!!!!!!

[@alquinn8576]

I guess roasting Trump at Obama's roast in 2011 is having its consequences 😂

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

​@@rareexotics8020yes, Reagan did support open borders

[@deborahdanhauer8525]

Exactly! I’ve been saying this for years. Newt, then the Moral Majority was the beginning of the end for The USA.

[@lpclassic60]

Talking about the mandate that voters thought they were handing Trump is basically worthless because Trump inevitably won’t care. The only mandate he has ever cared about is whatever he believes will benefit him in the short term.

[@sawahtb]

He'll grift and take bribes, but the people he put in charge (who've been paying him large sums) will use the U.S. to make themselves richer. Palestine will be removed for the map entirely. Ukraine is Russia's now, and probably other parts of the area, Poland?

[@subcitizen2012]

Now take a step back and consider all the people that are using Trump for themselves for the long-term.

[@billm9775]

Really f these people. Eggs in 2019 were $2.36 a dozen, right now they are $2.19 at target (just looked them up). Average price of chicken is 1.97 pound, up from $1.90 in 2019 (whole, not processed). Bread was $1.54 a pound and is now $2 a pound. Flour went up $0.17 a pound, from $0.40 to $0.57. Yeah there is some inflation, but FFS eggs and chicken were caused by a massive flu outbreak and are now back to normal, and base ingredients like flour, beans, and rice are still cheap AF. Even beef is still cheap, I just paid $6.00 a pound butchered for a cow. People voting their feelings instead of taking 2 seconds to look at actual prices.....

[@oldiewave2640]

Way to intentionally ignore gas, insurance, child care, housing, raw materials, wheat, wood, and much more dumbass

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Huh? 3.59 are the cheapest eggs I can see on Target's website. This is NJ.

[@billm9775]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209 zip was 12226 (no idea where that is, must be where my ISP exits). Still $2.19 there.

[@scarborosasquatchstation1403]

Canada... Holy Smokes we pay anywhere from $5.50 - $8.99 Free Range / Organic Eggs

[@tomalexander4327]

This was a vote of disaffection not a vote for Trump. We've just had an election in the UK that followed similar dynamics of ousting the incumbents.

[@garybowler5946]

Disaffection is correct. Fifty years of middle class wages falling and nothing being done. Government has held the American middle class captive while the wealthy steal their wages and lives. Trump gave them a glimmer of hope for deep structural change, so they bit. Think Germany in 1930's.

[@matthewb.7172]

I knew she was cooked when she was asked if she’d do anything differently from Biden, and her answer was “Not that I can think of” Like, really? It’s an obvious question and that’s the best answer you could prepare? Yikes

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

Every incumbent appears to have gotten punished (to varying extents) for the covid driven inflation that we had the last couple years. I guess this was always going to be an uphill battle for whoever was in office

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

​@@matthewb.7172 I am curious. What should she have done differently than Biden? How would you have answered that question, if you were running?

[@timapple9157]

​@@Bertinator-nm9ld Yes, it's easy being a keyboard polical expert.

[@euroschmau]

13 million fewer Democrats came out to vote in this election when compared to 2020, but Trump's number remained the same. This election went to Trump not because of his stellar performance and expanding his base, but because of Democrat apathy. This is our fault, we did this to ourselves, and I guess we deserve what's coming.

[@subcitizen2012]

That's because the Democrat party is nothing to be excited about. Go listen to what Bernie Sanders said and then check your head. We don't deserve this, but maybe you do, for ever believing in Democrats in the first place.

[@c.eb.1216]

It's because they left the Palestine supporters out in the cold.

[@ssssaa2]

Only 90% of votes are in so far. Expect numbers to go up another 10% split between them, maybe a bit favoring Harris. Most of it is California.

[@nz6241]

I'm sure the democratic mouthpieces insulting non college educated groups as well as hispanics really helped their cause.

[@chadmccoy8032]

I am a former conservative living in Oklahoma. I tried to warn everyone and I voted Harris Walz even though I knew it was a waste of ink and time. I cannot figure why Dems just didn’t vote. Just hand it to them.

[@beepboop5038]

I am a lonely citizen in a population of fools

[@claudeabraham2347]

Pretty self-absorbed viewpoint, & narcissistic.

[@beepboop5038]

@@claudeabraham2347it’s how everyone feels. Go drag your knuckles into another comment thread.

[@beepboop5038]

@@claudeabraham2347after seeing the other comments you make, why is a MAGA supporter even here? Most likely looking for that attention their father should have given long ago. But instead society has to put up with them while they search social media comment threads for that attention

[@TheInestyle]

@@claudeabraham2347 Pretty self-absorbed viewpoint & narcissistic. Definitely applies to your own statement.

[@manueldavidson1398]

I most definitely concur with you on that!!!

[@Jorhanbear]

So, this conversation demonstrates why the media and the courts and legisilatures failed us. This fight is over. It is 1877. The new post-reconstruction. from 1877-1930 were dark days in America. We are now walking right back into them. This is what they meant by making America great.

[@critterwhisperer5821]

Ladies welcome back to the godd*mned Victorian era

[@kristinadutton3259]

Thank you, Anne Applebaum, throughout this whole process. A voice of reason among our own collective gaslighting, endlessly analyzing demographics. The results of this election show a culture of entitlements and self interest, not broad perspectives, or consideration for humanity’s well being or ANYTHING ELSE.

[@danielalveorodriguez7177]

You nailed it!

[@archersfriend5900]

Americans always vote with their wallets, they always have and always will.

[@robertruffo2134]

I'm sorry but if this election was honest (really not sure) the whole world has in many cases permanently lost respect for you. It has underlined how poorly educated so many of your citizens are, not to mention how unhappy and blinded by rage. There are still wonderful people in your country, but I fear many will emigrate in coming tears. It's heartbreaking. And this decline all for what? The profits of tech bros?

[@zipbangcrash]

You're 100% on point. We've lost all respect for ourselves, too.

[@joaomonteiro1258]

Looking from Europe the USA seems at lest 50% nuts, Very sorry for you USA

[@sixstitcher]

@@joaomonteiro1258 It looks the same from Australia as well. This is America"s Brexit.

[@JusOne730]

@@joaomonteiro1258 Portuguese? I ask because of your name. My parents are from there and me and my daughter have already set up an appointment with the Portuguese consulate in Boston to get dual citizenship. We can see the writing on the wall for America. Tenho de voltar a praticar o meu português. Quando eu era criança, falava português antes de aprender inglês. Boa noite meu amigo.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

It's been a bad time for incumbents, in general. They've been voted out across the board, including in Europe. Maybe we underestimated how much inflation influenced people's dissatisfaction. Not that it's gonna get better, with Trump in office

[@Rikki-Tikki-Tavi]

Goodnight America. Get the lights on your way out okay?

[@IndianaRob13]

True..

[@TheCloverAffiliate12]

(Sidenote: Your name made me smile-loved that story)

[@Rikki-Tikki-Tavi]

@@TheCloverAffiliate12 ☺️

[@olikiahill260]

Bingo spot on so very true

[@lucianomezzetta4332]

No. Make sure you close the door on your way out to Canada.

[@gregrogers3203]

Excellent addition to understanding. A key point being most T voters wanted inflation reduced and groceries, rent more affordable. They did not vote for close relationships (or more) with other world authoritarians; not for tariffs that they don’t even know they will personally pay on imported goods; not for family separation at the border; etc. Grateful as a subscriber to The Atlantic and as a citizen to have Applebaum & Coppins focus on specific subjects, what was said during election campaign and what actions are actually taken.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

They also didn't vote for mass "deportations" that will increase the cost of groceries, nor did they vote for policies that would reduce their income and increase their taxes.

[@critterwhisperer5821]

This is his way to make single people get married to live in apartments or houses (too expensive to live solo unless you have like 3 jobs) and then no birth control so increasing the population... when theres already so many kids without parents or homes. Just cause he wasn't more money and crap. Nah. I'd rather be homeless at that point

[@Hodenkat]

When not in a position of power, Trump's words are empty. Why people would elect him to an office with control of powers that would make those horrible things become a reality is not in my realm of understanding. They must believe he was just being a blow-hard making empty threats. We'll see if they were wrong. Personally, I know they were and are wrong.

[@Gashshiningstar]

We are living in the same America. America did magically not become racist. Racism is an American pasttime.

[@EricDaMAJ]

Which is why you should leave. Immigrate to New Zealand. It's nice in December.

[@nevertrumpfromthejump]

egg prices > freedom and democracy...

[@micahkiyimba8641]

Freedom and democracy doesn't feed people

[@TheRayDog]

Democracy? Dems explicitly were going to grant amnesty to 25 million, which would have ended elections of meaning forever. Dems wanted to pack the court, creating a super-legislature, unaccountable to voters. Dems were actively censoring on social media through the WH, FBI field offices, and social media company departments. Dems actively supported openly illegal discrimination through DEI. Please understand those of us on the other side legitimately were chilled by the authoritarian actions your side openly pushed. You want to criminalize those on the other side. It's that simple.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

What freedom? To be murdered by illegals and then shamed into calling them "undocumented"? No thanks.

[@marciamar-sha_remember2838]

To all my Maga "friends"..remember, YOU DID THIS, DON'T CRY TO ME!! 😵

[@obsidianjane4413]

At this point, there is probably nothing that can make them realize their misjudgment and error their confirmation bias is so blinding. They will go to hell singing his praises.

[@fj81191]

​@@obsidianjane4413 100% It's highly delusional to imagine they will ever recognize their mistakes and downright insane to think they might feel guilt. They will always prop up something else completely illogical to blame things on.

[@yestohappiness2721]

@@fj81191yep, there was that story a few days ago of a young woman in Texas that died from miscarriage after dobbs, and her mom said that God wanted it to be this way, while voting for trump and not putting two and two together 😢…

[@snowflakemelter7171]

The only ones crying right now are liberals 😂😂. Go TRUMP 😎💪🏻🇺🇲

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@snowflakemelter7171 < Exhibit A.

[@Mt0428]

How the fuck are we still asking ourselves this question? We have been living in different America for quite some time now!

[@EricDaMAJ]

It's the same America. You just got jolted out of your echo chamber.

[@LaserBread]

America has always been a brutal empire.

[@falconerwing7415]

Do we have to go back to the 1930’s to learn our lesson? It looks like we will have to

[@007kingifrit]

so many drama queens. you know no other historical events

[@BoringTroublemaker]

Can we please stop giving people the benefit of the doubt? When a candidate says they do will do egregious things, has a history of doing egregious things, and then people vote for them - there is no reason to think that people aren’t voting _for_ those things and that the candidate won’t attempt to deliver on those things if elected. Furthermore, when our institutions and guardrails have repeatedly FAILED to check or balance, none of us should be made to feel as if we are being unreasonable when we expect nothing but the same in the future. I’m sick of this.

[@EricDaMAJ]

You should leave the country. ASAP. Scandinavia is pretty cool.

[@marygemmacapodanno2035]

He can’t have known about that 1798 Act on his own; from whom did he learn that history lesson

[@WondersWhy]

He's been a russian pawn since the full page ad in the NYT in the 80s calling for NATO being dissolved. Now Federalist and Heritage.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

Miller and Bannon are the puppet masters feeding him his lines.

[@davidweir8312]

Just keep opening those cans of sane washing. People like this, reporting like this, enabled trump

[@007kingifrit]

i'm not a left wing lunatic, what is sane washing? i hear you people saying this all the time lately

[@EricDaMAJ]

@@007kingifrit "Sanewashing is the act of minimizing the perceived radical aspects of a person or idea in order to make them appear more acceptable to a wider audience." It's another left wing buzz word. It can be used legitimately by not describing Kamala's weird word salads or championing an insecure border. But it can be used illegitimately when a journalist whose actually objective describes Trump objectively, they call it "sanewashing" because _"obviously"_ Trump is insane.

[@crystalclulee]

"This is not my country and I don't understand what's going on.." I literally gasped when she said that, as that is EXACTLY where I'm at today. I have been looking at potential countries to move to, as I'm so disappointed with this one right now. :(

[@oldiewave2640]

BYE BYE

[@crystalclulee]

@oldiewave2640 Enjoy your dumpster fire. 👋🏼

[@EricDaMAJ]

Please move. New Zealand is beautiful and nice in December (it's summer down there). We can slot an illegal immigrant in your house and naturalize them. They won't have a Nirvana Fallacy about being an American either.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

You really think you can just move? Most countries don't tolerate illegals sneaking across the border.

[@ipekseda3087]

Latino men...no one ever accused them of sexism.

[@persebra]

Mexico recently elected their first woman prez

[@elisereynolds945]

gross comment.

[@Ninnybroth]

Re: the whole "maybe he won't do those things" thing, please let's not repeat the 2016 trope that maybe he'll suddenly become presidential. I will NEVER FORGET the Americans he killed in the Pandemic, in addition to the zillion other ways he's shown us who he is.

[@RockandrollNegro]

You realize more people died from Covid under Biden, right? Trump's a saint compared to Genocide Joe.

[@alexiswinter6948]

Not only killed Americans he's uses the pandemic to support his most secure border in the history of the United States BS. Of course crossings were near nothing. We were the most infected country in the world outside of China.

[@snowmonster42]

I know. It's ludicrous. They've clearly forgotten the Muslim ban. Andvnow he has immunity. Why on earth would he deny himself anything?

[@seansmith3058]

​@@snowmonster42 It's always been hard to know if he has any core beliefs at all. But he's willing to give power to those who do have them, like Stephan Miller, if they remain loyal to him.

[@ThisisKyle]

​@@snowmonster42you obviously forgot that the so-called Muslim ban was written by Obama. It also didn't ban several heavily Muslim countries, only specific ones

[@derricksellars6955]

There are people saying VP Harris should've campaigned differently. I think she ran a good campaign. My question is how do you campaign against a nice sized portion of the population that wants to live in a dictatorship and feel like a woman should not be president?

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

By cutting out the cackling, answering questions directly, dropping Cheneys and celebs.

[@roosterb007]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209 and Trump answers questions directly, cuts out celebs, and doesn't laugh? jesus. Harris is a perfect fit for the USA!

[@josephclark5414]

They should have tried governing well!!! Just a thought!

[@EricDaMAJ]

I wanted Tulsi Gabbard to be my first female president. Not a DEI hire I could've found a better replacement for working McDonalds.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

​@@roosterb007 Harris is maybe perfect for Hollywood. That's about it.

[@KaibabSodke]

You said something that illustrates a problem with liberals/the elite. "Gavd voters an excuse to vote for trump." But voters don't need an excuse to vote for trump. They have the right to vote for whomever they please.

[@markmap4677]

According to social and behavioral academia, a bloc of voters over any series of election cycles are highly fickle. They may vote for one party in one election and then vote for the other in another ( and with random reasons behind why they do so ). And they believe in binary fashion that their party is right and your party is wrong because they want to be a good member of the racial and social groups that they feel closest to.

[@olewetdog6254]

Most people are just stupid.

[@TheInestyle]

Congratulations to Putin for all his hard work on his GOP party.

[@yvonnebonal7754]

One thing I know for sure. The WH will have to hire a 24/7 plumber. Geez!

[@zoehardee8636]

Most adult Americans could not define "autocracy"

[@josephclark5414]

Neither can a lot of children!!

[@oldiewave2640]

True, but they do have bills to pay and groceries to buy that you clearly didnt give a shit about so congratulations on your loss

[@zoehardee8636]

@@oldiewave2640 My guy I am defending him

[@iainmackenzieUK]

I get the impression that those who voted on the economy, may, in reality be financially fine but have been convinced that they are impoverished. The evidence seems to be that the economy is doing just fine - certainly better than most other countries...

[@honeybadger1847]

@@iainmackenzieUK Congresswoman Lauren Boebert exemplifies that mindset perfectly. A campaign ad shows her picking up a steak, then putting it back because of the cost. Next, she picks up a pork roast-same thing. Finally, slumped over and dejected, she settles on chicken. Oh, the horror.

[@seansmith3058]

In some interviews with trump voters it seems like that is more of an excuse to support him rather than the actual reason. They certainly have money to burn on trump merchandise.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Americans think of themselves as better/different from other countries. They compare themselves only to themselves which is exactly why this argument about the US economy doing better than other countries fell flat. Don't understand how the Dems don't know that.

[@miketomlin6040]

So similar to Germany in the 1930's.

[@fj81191]

Important hole in the comparison: this hasn't been a winning party cynically pretending to be socialist before enacting their true villainous values. This one was openly evil and won anyway, even with the benefit of history!

[@charliecat301]

exactly!

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

How so? Trump isn't trying to conquer a continent.

[@miketomlin6040]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209 Trump and Hitler both used the Big Lie technique, or a ''firehood of falsehoods'', as a means to overturn democracy. Trump's regime will be known, already is, as a post truth-alternative facts phenomenon. There are numerous similarities, sadly. Hopefully the outcome of the 2nd regime of his won't be as bad as the 3rd Reich's, time will tell.

[@IBPaintsppp-wt5ou]

I think the main difference is that the US and Trump wants to deglobalize and focus more inward on geopolitics than outward like 1930's Germany.

[@loca8048]

13:00 - Those who voted for Trump wear the stain regardless of whether they intended it or not - even if all they wanted were the trains to run on time - they will still own it.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

With his plans for public transit and Amtrak the trains will not be running!

[@the_moo000oon]

yeah? so what

[@EricDaMAJ]

I voted for Democratic candidates for 30 years only for the whole party to become a caricature as described by Rush Limbaugh, proving ME to be the fool. I have to own that. I can afford to own the one time I voted for Trump and he won.

[@stuvo1977]

America is full of idiots. We need a better education system. Civics, history, and critical thinking need to be taught in our schools. This all could have been avoided.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

Project 2025 says nope. Only need to read one book.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Nah, America is about money. People come here to get rich. That's it.

[@slimyelow]

I am dying to know for whome the 16 - 20 million abstinent voters would have cast their ballot for.

[@RaviNayyar]

The last thing Democrats should do is introspect. Blame the voters, folks. Keep dividing your compatriots into identity pockets that cannot come together to vote against you. All politics is student politics.

[@delta5852]

Sorry but shouldn't commentators with such pedigrees not state things like "Presidents... Right wing, left wing" - we've not hand a left wing president yet as far as I've seen.

[@montecarlo1651]

Correct, there is no Left in the USA, hasn't been one since the New Deal. At best there is a Right and a Centre.

[@u.s7072]

I blame this whole era of so many people being anti-establishment. It's turned into a complete distrust of the systems that have supported us for decades, leaving them with no logical process to filter misinformation.

[@billw5189]

Entirely (by a factor millions) too many people trying to get social media attention. They have to spread ridiculousness to get eyeballs, clicks, thumbs-up, likes, subscribers, own the libs, own the whoever else. We're kind of cooked. It will take a supreme effort for the US to pull out of this tailspin. Doable, but difficult IMO

[@GoranVinko]

Yes, one of the top reasons.

[@oldiewave2640]

See you think you lost because of "misinformation" but in reality you lost because of the economy. Keep being tone deaf, we like winning!

[@u.s7072]

@@oldiewave2640 Yes, the idea trump has any logical plan to fix the economy was misinformation. People thinking tariffs save us money is misinformation. Anything else?

[@u.s7072]

​@@oldiewave2640yes, if you thought he had any good plan to fix the economy, you fell victim to misinformation.

[@Peter-g1k]

No we are dealing with the America that come late to WW1 and WW2, with the America that dived into Vietnam and the middle east.

[@texassecession6422]

Time for the national divorce so everyone can be happy.

[@elisereynolds945]

How? Even the blue states went more purple. The Dems need to rebuild and rebrand

[@texassecession6422]

@elisereynolds945 Don't expect it will stay as purple too long. Harris was such a weak candidate. There will be a blue wave too.

[@LaserBread]

@@elisereynolds945 A smaller country is much more responsive to the needs of its people than large monolithic ones. The problem doesn't go away entirely, but is much more tenable.

[@purrfectmeow]

I have 2 requirements to be my friend now. Didn't vote for Trump, and a misanthropist. Cause if after this win you don't think most people suck you are either stupid or one of the bad ones.

[@beerman204]

Maybe T now thinks our election system ain't so bad after all?

[@markwilliams2620]

Amazing! Not a peep from any of them.

[@snowflakemelter7171]

The same mistakes were not going to be made again. Everyone knew the democrats fraudulent tricks.

[@tylerclark5086]

Trump gets almost the same amount of votes and Democrats get 14 million less🤨 pretty weird isn’t it? Almost like 14 million people voted in 2020 that weren’t supposed to huh?

[@peterjp4]

​@markwilliams2620 Joe Rogan said amazed, "Turns out voting works!" I think it might be sinking in. The horror is yet to come.

[@parker9012]

Talk to your neighbors who voted for trump. Remember, there are millions of Americans who voted Obama, then Clinton, then Biden, and now trump. Go ask them why, and maybe you can reform your party to get them back.

[@peggyc8473]

Thank you. Especially I want to thank Anne Applebaum. I have your book. It's been so helpful in my understanding of this current political environment we find in which we ourselves.

[@slimyelow]

You can likely kiss SCOTUS goodbye for at least another generation.

[@alquinn8576]

Trump nominated 3 centrists to the court; what you complaining about?

[@kgblankinship]

I thought this country went crazy in 1981 with Reagan and the preppies, It was like we went back to 1929 and began worshipping money again.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

You never stopped worshipping it

[@EricDaMAJ]

Not exactly. The country entered a period of prosperity and the USSR collapsed.

[@Candyliz2003]

They're already laughing about how Project 2025 is *REAL* and they are prepping the rollout!

[@EdwardM-t8p]

LGBTQ+ people who voted for Trump or any other Republican running for federal office will come to regret their vote(s) in tears. We've lost the up and coming generation of trans, gay and lesbian, bi and pan, and queer people.

[@critterwhisperer5821]

@@EdwardM-t8pace here. And I fear for my fellow lgbtq+ peers. I'm wearing my blue friendship bracelet to show my friends who I am. Bring it trump. You may have brainwashed the country but MY people know what you really are

[@007kingifrit]

@@EdwardM-t8p there is no such thing as the alphabet soup you just listed. they are called SDI

[@roosterb007]

@@007kingifrit huh?

[@alquinn8576]

after the Democrats and the media (what's the difference?) lied about Trump's connection with Project 2025, I hope every single thing in there is implemented because f* you, liars

[@TimothyCarmain]

I was the grandson of two Pentecostal ministers, was educated in parochial schools until my middle school years, and was pretty devout for most of my adult life (I am currently 61 yrs old). Christianity was familiar territory for me until the very late 1990s to early 2000s, when this push to gain political hegemony by Evangelical PACs and messaging in ministry urging believers to foment “culture war” began to alarm me for the clear deviation from Gospel teachings and Christian doctrine, and for the arch-conservative voices drowning out voices from mainstream denominations calling for prayerful and considerate, calm discussions from a Christian perspective. One by one, the voices of reason fell silent and the drum beats became more distant and faint. Today I’m sorry to say that I don’t see many familiar faces in church, nor does the testimony offered ring in my ear as Christian witness these days. In fact, not Christian at all. What I see most clearly are the wolves in sheep’s clothing and the masses of the deceived that Jesus warned us about.

[@lblack1961]

This was a realistic and encouraging podcast. Thank you SO much 💖💖

[@JohnnyDouchbag-nr5yf]

Yes!!! We're getting rid of the woke BS!

[@LaserBread]

And none of you can define "woke."

[@JohnnyDouchbag-nr5yf]

@@LaserBread putting tampons in mens bathrooms, letting men compete in women's sports, hiring people based off race or gender instead of qualifications, not being able to tell us what a woman is.. etc

[@JohnnyDouchbag-nr5yf]

@@LaserBread i've replied with a detailed definition of what woke is, and it gets deleted, so I give up

[@mityakatya]

Did Trump ever say how he is going to lower food cost in the USA? Have his loyalists suggested what must be done? I have heard nothing. Please someone tell me, and by the way, I am not holding my breath.

[@sawahtb]

He never said he'd do anything. He simply pointed to Biden and said it was his fault. He'll continue to blame Biden and do nothing. That's the plan.

[@marygemmacapodanno2035]

“Drill, baby drill” and slapping tariffs on imported goods, which will raise prices for the American people because companies will pass the cost of the tariffs onto us. He also wants to cut taxes for the millionaires, billionaires and corporations.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

​@@marygemmacapodanno2035 And he'll hike taxes on most everybody else.

[@mityakatya]

@@sawahtb Agreed wholeheartedly!

[@tylerclark5086]

Energy costs have their fingers all over the economy. Dropping energy prices by 50+% will have a drastic effect on almost all consumer goods. Threatening tariffs is a negotiation tool as well and will be used accordingly. He will undoubtedly slap some tariffs but it’s not going to be 20% universal. Also ending these wars will affect massive portions of the world economy. Prices will naturally drop. The Russian war was the major reason for energy prices getting so high in the first place. Cutting taxes and regulations on corporations will also have an effect on prices. Say what you want about “trickle down economics” but wages increased drastically from 2016-2020. Walmart went from starting people at 7.65 to over $16 in my hometown and we saw wages go up across the board in that manner. Trump will certainly make some mistake but this is absolutely a good thing for our economy. We need to heal economically and then we can heal socially in 2028. Good luck to everyone genuinely. This result is not the gloom and doom you think it is.

[@tomalexander4327]

Do we know yet why the poll's were wrong?

[@DennisMoore664]

There are a lot of reasons. Poor polling practices, not reaching the people who will actually vote, people not being honest when they are being polled, etc.

[@tomalexander4327]

@DennisMoore664 why do you think people aren't being honest with pollster's?

[@DennisMoore664]

@@tomalexander4327 Again, there are probably a lot of reasons why and they are the same reasons people lie about anything. They don't want to be judged, they aren't being honest with themselves, they have to say something to the pollster that doesn't upset other people who can overhear the conversation. Some people just like to play games with other people. I'm sure there are other reasons too, but those are just a few that quickly come to mind.

[@tim55075]

"Never get high on your own supply" Schitlibs were huffing pure copium

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

It's probably just a lot harder to reach an average representation of the voter base in the internet era, if we're being honest

[@mrmadmaxalot]

The big shift for me this time was from taking most of my info from watching town halls, rally speeches, and interviews. One thing I realized is how much the headlines and reporting are twisting Trumps words. A lot of what they refer to in this as his 'darker' campaigning in the last month is actually the darker headlines the media were using against him more than anything. There are definitely some big problems with Trump, but if the Democrats try to strategize what they got wrong based off election season propaganda rather than what was actually being said then I doubt they will do any better next time.

[@rkevghas]

I think President Biden has been the best President in my lifetime.

[@007kingifrit]

how? he literally messed up on every topic

[@alquinn8576]

lol, screwed up Afghanistan withdrawal, lost Ukraine to Russia, pretended to not have dementia just long enough to doom the Democratic nomination...

[@caferacer99]

The lack of self awareness on display on this podcast is breathtaking.

[@TheInestyle]

Drink your fool-aid.

[@007kingifrit]

yes funny how every left wing election loss boils down to "we should have been more left" never criticizing themselves, its never THEIR fault . but the best part was when they said that trump winning the popular vote isn't a mandate.....

[@LaserBread]

@@007kingifrit 1) The Democrats are a conservative party. Not left. 2) a 1% margin of victory is not a mandate

[@dianaanderson2359]

Seems too me the States need to rethink their electoral system. All the dark money and unethical politicians makes me think we need to be a little more selective in who gets on the ballot.

[@mray8519]

NO. It’s the same America you were born into.

[@Occam31]

The face eating leopards are going to eat very, very well over the next four years…

[@Marinemomof3Oceanside]

And how will we know? See SCROTUS! Was a bigly hint!!!

[@remnant1018]

If we make it out of this not damaged too much by this… person and his… people… I hope someone somehow gets new language inserted into the rules/law stating that no candidate for any level of government work - from the lowest all the way up to the president - and nobody currently in a position in any level of government work - from the lowest all the way up to the president - is allowed to behave how he behaves or speak the way he speaks (or how he has spoken) and not be terminated or disqualified. No saying crude things. No insulting entire nationalities. No breaking existing laws. No making threats to fellow citizens who verbally challenge/oppose him. No refusing to publicly disclose information that is supposed to be disclosed (including tax records and donations/gifts received/accepted). No blocking FBI investigations. None of the stuff he’s done. If anybody else had done it, he and his people would have a field day. If it had been done before 2016, it wouldn’t be tolerated. There should be written rules/laws for all these things; not unspoken ones that he and people like him can just roll their eyes at and walk right over without significant repercussions.

[@mr.b4444]

And also certainly not allowing a convicted felon to run for president or be employed for any government position.

[@DrachenGothik666]

How about a rule that states, "No one who has a felony conviction shall be allowed to the office of President"?

[@EricDaMAJ]

Not bad. It would disqualify most Democrats currently in power. I'm OK with it.

[@I-Libertine]

(no, you're living in your own bubble. Discover America. Listen respectfully to those you casually brand fascists. You might learn just how wrong you are, and you won't have to surrender yourself or your values in the process. PS: wanna support democracy? humility is what democracy is all about.)

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

The candidate you didn’t like didn’t win. The sky won’t fall.

[@oldiewave2640]

It will when u are a democrat that relies on kiddie blood to stay young LOL

[@EricDaMAJ]

It didn't last time.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

@@EricDaMAJ and it won’t this time

[@innotech]

They dont understand checks and balances, or basically any other part of a functional government 😂 All that education for nothing

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

@@innotech but beyond that america is the safest, most innovative and powerful country on earth. No one single president can change that overnight. Everyone is acting like the president has this magical ability to stop all that when most economic and military factors are outside of the president’s control. Most Americans are more spoiled than they are destitute

[@marygemmacapodanno2035]

If he wants no adults in the room, no restraints, does that mean he is likely to launch nuclear weapons?

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

I hope not but he is not known for being level headed

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Yes, if his unwavering support of Netanyahu enrages Putin and Xi Jinping.

[@c.eb.1216]

I hope he doesn't decide nuclear fallout is overblown or something.

[@critterwhisperer5821]

The last two idiots above me in this comment are nuts.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

He wanted to nuke Iran last time. This time the Supreme Court is cool with it.

[@MariJohn1267]

Same America with the camouflage pulled off.

[@christopherback2103]

If you could take away one thing from this election I would pick this: Negative messages are more popular than positive messages. People just respond better and enjoy being angry and blaming someone. Then they do trying to be happy or feeling a sense of unity. They would much rather be at odds with anyone. Because human beings are deeply tribal. Most people having us and them mentality. And trump mastered connecting with that sentiment. He really does bring out the worst in us. And it works. It works for many people

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Yes, the fake "joy" didn't catch on. Wonder why.

[@LaserBread]

Yes. This. Her campaign was at its strongest when it embraced the "weird" line of attack and was alluding to the meme about JD Vance having sex with a couch. People are angry. And that anger needs to be directed at the billionaires and their goons.

[@loukreu]

Hopefully one in which The Atlantic's warmongering is a thing of the past!!!