Are We Ready for Chinese Bikes? Winspace SLC 3.0 review vs Giant TCR...

[@markkupu]

I've been riding 13000km on T1550 + Lún HYPER 23 SE D45 wheels, Shimano Ultegra Di2 group set. No problems so far, awesome bike, very satisfied. Build the bike by myself, the internal routing of brake hoses through the frame and handlebar took some time.

[@Hambini]

I know you talk about lack of local support. I think that is the way the world is going, everyone is going direct to consumer (like canyon and trek) and it will be LBS for service only.

[@andarenbici]

Honest question. I have a problem with a niche part on a Winspace v a Trek/Giant. Do you think the support would be the same even if you purchased consumer direct from Trek/Giant? There is a product liability issue. Who would you be more likely to recover against? Take away the quality of the bikes. Let's assume they are both equal, could purchasing a product directly from China not pose unexpected issues for consumers, especially with more expensive items (2K frame)? I am sure it would go the other way as well for a Chinese person buying a BB from a dubious British 5yo, so that is nothing against companies in China, or the Chinese manufacturers. These issues are also a possible disadvantage of custom frame builders, but those are much more personal and trust based relationships.

[@valmorell]

If you want to talk about back up, try contacting your mobile phone provider. Welcome to 2024

[@MattBowden]

@@andarenbiciI bought a set of carbon wheels from Light Bicycle a few years back. Managed to hit a large rock and delaminate the rim. Not only did the wheel hold together long enough to get home, Light Bicycle also sent me a replacement and only charged me shipping.

[@David-cf5lr]

Isn't the question really about putting aside outdated prejudices and becoming more educated on how the big brands rince the bank accounts of MAMILS?

[@bingbing3464]

@@andarenbiciit all depends on the import regulations of each country and shipping insurance. Chinese brands honors replacements on defects but the import and shipping is often the problem. If youre in east asia however it is flawless.

[@davidbellman6698]

i've done 20 000 km on a SLC 2.0 frame paired Winspace 50 mm wheels and 1pc carbon bar/stem. No creaking or issues. Very satisfied.

[@slighter]

That’s some proper mileage for substantial and justified feedback.

[@davidbellman6698]

@@slighter got my 1st racing license in 1984. Ridden all types of frames, including TCR (great frame). For me better to save money on frames and wheels then spend more on tires, chains, event fees, travel

[@slighter]

@@davidbellman6698 Sounds reasonable.

[@andreal1647]

I'm riding my slc 2 rim mechanical dura ace know since two years with about 20k and lots of climbing as living in mountainess region. Can't say any than riding it still is Dreams. No issue with anything at all. Just a climbing machine at its best!

[@davidnicholson6680]

Winspace, Seka and (to a lesser degree) Tavelo are getting a little ahead of themselves with their current pricing. Canyon will sell you a bike for about the same price as one of these builds and LBS bikes with similar builds can be similarly priced when on sale (which is becoming frequently possible again). I think these newer Chinese bikes are pretty good, but I'm not sure they're compelling versus something like a TCR. Chinese wheels are still a very good bargain with excellent performance, but I;m not sure about the frames yet. If Winspace sold this at $1,200 I'd have a very different opinion.

[@CalebKussmaul]

I feel like it rarely makes sense to buy a frame in general. Groupsets are insane if you have to buy them at retail prices and there’s a good market for take-offs.

[@LukeRichardson1981]

@@CalebKussmaul Unless, you know, you want to build up a bike exactly as *you* want it, rather than with the components that the manufacturer wants to sell you. Both of my bikes are bikes that I built up myself from bare frames, and I haven't regretted that decision in the slightest.

[@laillosidgar]

Canyon has sh*tty customer service in asia. They are eaten alive by other Asian and American brand here.

[@thomasparkins6749]

@@LukeRichardson1981 Exactly right. When I was searching for a new bike, I'd end up having to change the saddle, stem, handlebar, tyres at least. All at my own additional cost. Companies putting integrated bars on bikes and then forcing you to take a super wide setup is so annoying.

[@최성호-w8v]

@@CalebKussmaul

[@ibnchukkara]

Hi, I have a SLC2.0 a T1500 and T1550 and a Agile. I discovered Winspace because they make "modern" rimbrake frames. The Agile is the only Discbrake of the 4. It is the only with T47 BB all the other have BB86 BB. I had no problems with the BB86 Bottom Brackets at all. I am using Wheels Mfg thread together BB. The frames don´t creak. If something does it is just a good reminder that "someone" needs a little bit of servicing/greasing. I also use the LUN Wheels on all bikes, nothing to say about those either. They just boringly stay straight and true. I am in Austria/Tyrol and the rimbrake Wheels do not wear and DO stop me when I want. Tubeless configuration just works on all wheelsets too. The one piece stem and steerer I also use on all bikes is nothing much to report about, again just does it´s job. If there is anything to report it is the Agile. The T47 does sometime say "hello". What is a bit of a nuisance on that bike, is the front disc rubbing when out of the saddle. But everybody tells me thats "normal" on discbrake bikes....... why isn´t that ever talked about more? Easy and simple to get to Austria. The prices on their website are already including taxes and fees. So there is no surprise on the doorstep when delivered. Usually it takes about 3-4weeks to ship. Overall: Bikes are all on Shimano DA 9200 12 Speed. Nothing much to report there either. Rock solid bikes that weigh competitly dont creak, ride excelently and are "cheap" (about €6-8000). I always weigh with Assioma Pedals and the tools I take with me, also including the Garmin Edge, so about 7kg for the SLC, about 7,5kg for the T1550 and 7,8kg for the Agile....... so take off 100g for the Garmin, 250g for the Assiomas and about 280g for the Toolkit/Pump/Tubes... Who wants can check the km I am doing on the Winspaces on Strava: www.strava.com/athletes/42240267 not a lot on each, but I am a 52 year old 81kg "good weather rider" that can hardly produce more than 300W over a longer period, when sprinting 1200W are the end of the story..... Finally: I show interest in the bikes and everything related to that. So I go and get what suits me 100% no compromises. I can get all I want online and do so, also completly build my bike myself. I am sick of these arrogant, snooty bike shops where you can buy their products only. I am not interested in their "service" and them trying to pull as much money from me as possible. On top they pissed me off in 2020 during corona when they were making their "big business" and left the whole show ruined to a certain degree. I needed a spare part and went to a local shop but they showed no interest in helping. (premature end of rant)

[@ivankrsnik9640]

Frame: 1800$, wheels 1400$, Integrated Bar and Stem: 300$, Shimano ULTEGRA groupset 1500$, plus some additional costs and assembling costs... mucho dineros

[@TESTA-CC]

Giant For Me 👍 Been Around Since I Was Born. Pleased WinSpace Have There own Following tho, as they make Good Quality Carbon Fibre Frames & Wheelsets.

[@KLCYCLES]

Being a UK winspace dealer, the great thing is you buy from us we look after the warranty and have spares in stock. We also cover all the custom charges in our prices so you don't get stung with them. Great review tho David! Ive had a T1500 now for over 2 and half years and its been solid! Makes me a lot faster with the hyper wheels and fully integrated bars than my legs take me haha!

[@rjohnstonstl]

I’ve done about 33,000 km on a rim brake SLC 2.0 frame. I run Praxis Zayante carbon cranks with Praxis’s bottom bracket and have replaced the bracket at least 5 times due to creaking. A bit of an annoyance, but not a dealbreaker considering I paid less than 1k USD for the frame.

[@cat4garage]

Thanks for the review. Just received my Size Medium - It is 720 grams completely bare in Superlight black. Can't wait to get it built up.

[@ChrisChapmanSR]

What's your review?

[@cat4garage]

@@ChrisChapmanSR I will probably do it in the next couple of weeks. So far I have over 800 miles on it. I will say that I really do like it a lot.

[@sankarpai]

2000 $ is cheap? 😮 Few years back, winspace used to sell for 1400 $ and with discounts came to 1200. Current prices are insane!!

[@arthur1418]

Alright, so you added $220 to the new frame's price, and removed $200 from the old frame. Solid comparison mate, thanks!

[@joystation1]

@@jkmaster8070 But he is comparing frame with frame so I'd say he's comparing Granny Smiths with Golden Delicious (these are popular types of apple in the UK).

[@BS-jw7nf]

They still sell a number of frames for around 1300-1400 usd, although i don't know what the final price would be after shipping and tax

[@sankarpai]

@@arthur1418 The original T1500 was available for 1400 at list price amd 1100-1200 during festive sales period! 2000$ is just insane pricing

[@BikeLife154]

Hasn’t anyone else seen the deals out there on mainstream brands? I can buy a Specialized SL7 sport for under the equivalent of $2,400 full build with 105 12 speed here in Korea. Nothing against Winspace but why would I buy a frame for $1800 + shipping + import charges when I can get an SL7 ready to ride for a similar price with support just a 5 minute ride away? They’re not really reading the state that the cycling industry is in at the moment. These direct Chinese companies are charging too much at the wrong time and their bikes are worthless a few years down the line when you maybe want to sell.

[@brizi2003]

I really appreciate your honesty in sharing information about a fault that occurred during your testing. Unless you can rely upon your bike from the factory then having good dealer backup is essential in my opinion.

[@vongdong10]

Still too expensive for a chinese frameset imo. You can literally buy a whole new giant tcr for a couple hundred more when they're on sale.

[@did4h2k]

100% agree... giant, specialized an all the other established brands just have an "upfront-trust" factor which winspace doesnt have. same with the ltwoo wireless groupsets. why would i gamble 700€ when i can have an established brand wireless groupset for just 200 more?!? if an "unknown" brand wants me to gamble my hard earned cash on them be at least 50% off the established brands! resale value anyone?

[@gaborozorai3714]

I totally understand the trust issue but you're not comparing like for like. A brandname frame of such low weight is way more expensive. A complete TCR for around 2k must be the base model.

[@random8539]

Also, resale value. So far used Chinese bikes are worth the price of their components other than the frame in used condition. A giant TCR will hold its value pretty well.

[@vongdong10]

​@gaborozorai3714 it's a 2024 advanced 2 pro compact that has 105 12sp mechanical. That is dirt cheap.

[@gaborozorai3714]

@@vongdong10 Exactly, and you're comparing it to an Advanced SL level of frame. If this same frameset was built OEM for a big brand they would pay 1k max to the manufacturer and sell it to the public for 4k.

[@robertcavanagh]

I have a slc 2.0 frame and its been brilliant bottom bracket was easy to fit. Direct mount breaks work excellent. I think its a bargan for the weight and have been very happy with it. I like the look very understated thsts what i like. The bike has been brilliant nice climbing bike.

[@jackt1400]

I'm happy with European, US or Taiwanese brands. Can't find any reason to look at PRC brands. Brand like Merida, Giant, Canyon are plenty of bike for the money, and command good resale values too.

[@TheChindoboi]

Have an slc 2.0 for about 8 months with 1700kms now. Very satisfied with the frame. Good quality carbon. I have had to retighten the front mech. Although it is the first time I've ever built a bike and fully expect to make newbie errors. Not a single creak out of the bb86 bottom bracket but would imagine it might be a little problematic for sram users. I also found it quite problematic with 50/34 chainring with chain drops. I've upgraded to 53/39 given my local rides are relatively flat and no issues since. It rides beautifully. Also don't think people would have issues with 52/36. If people run a 50/34 I think they would Benefit from a chain guard thing that sticks to the frame.

[@themightymite5688]

I've ridden and raced the Winspace SLC 2.0 and have nothing but great things to say about it. Light, fast, stiff, aero enough for the type of rider I am. It just feels good to ride, and I would hold it up as just as good as far more expensive bikes than it. I'll be keeping my eyes on the SLC 3.0 when I'm due for a new frame. I also am a fan of the TCR though (it was my first road bike, and I still love that old reliable weapon. My TCR still sees regular use as well).

[@wilsonwong6585]

Winspace has been slowly increasing their prices for all of their products. I purchased their SLC2.0 frame for around 1200 dollars last year. They are now selling that same frame for $1580 even though it is the older model now that the SLC3.0 is out. Overall though, I have been pretty happy with my SLC2.0 with no issues to speak of so far.

[@haa1010]

It’s absolutely not cheap and a big question on why giving them such premium?

[@andarenbici]

I think the lack of dealer support is huge for average cyclists. I would like to see a video comparing dealing with a Winspace problem and a Giant problem, and how Winspace support compares to Canyon. These direct to consumer brands free ride on the brand supported shops. Also, there is probably going to be an issue with product liability if there ever were to be a serious safety issue. Not against these brands, but there is no free lunch. Maybe the legacy brands will work harder on pricing for the everyman.

[@Cycle.every.day.]

The Chinese brands keep getting better and better , while the Western frame and wheel brands continue to milk Dentists.

[@danvalicek]

The Chinese brands don't need to get better, they are already best in class producing every single frame you can see in all the shops around the world, no matter if it's a Rose or a Specialized frame.

[@michaelblurry6559]

​@danvalicek I work in the Intellectual Property field. All big brand bikes are made in China. This includes Giant, Trek and Specialized. The same companies making frames for tier A brands are making their own frames under a different name which is making things complicated for the big guys.

[@ginomordocco4710]

The resale on these bikes will be just about nothing. Only reason these days to go with a big brand bike is for resale which regardless of brand is horrible right now.

[@simondavis697]

I used Chinese frames for 12+ years up until 2020. I can’t believe how much they’ve now caught on, having been called a fool for risking my life on them in the past!!! Never any issues in all of the 9 builds that I had from MTB’s to TT bikes. However, with the increased cost of components and build, it was more cost effective to purchase complete bikes from Trek.

[@MichaelSmith-em7pv]

I just got a Airwolf gravel carbon 6:00 frame custom paint job for $680USD And it has been an absolutely amazing bike, Coupled with Elite carbon it's a real looker🤪

[@HeadPack]

Appreciate David's balanced review style. A question coming to mind with these Chinese frames is how much a complete bike build costs, if one doesn't have the skills and tools to do it at home.

[@JustBrowsing777]

Can't see myself ever buying a Chinese brand, no matter what. Yes, you can't buy a whole lot at all that either isn't manufactured in China or has sourced parts from China. But buying cheap from China will bite us all eventually, you'll see later if you don't understand now.

[@tonyg3091]

You are right but it is already too late, we are doomed.

[@RohamBroccoli]

You most likely sitting and typing on a PC- Mac or iPhone made in China😅 When will people in the west realize that our greed and the hard work of the Chinese have turned the wheel in the direction of the east.

[@StephanieHughesDesign]

Giant TCR Advanced Pro bebe!

[@dcv9460]

DEFINITELY! Chinese Bikes are way more achievable in terms of price for normal people and definitely at par with the build quality of bigger named brands. Heck! Big named brands manufacture their frames in the Far East! 💯

[@anderswahl5240]

What’s the best you’re wearing Dave? Thanks for the honest review, good job as always 🫡

[@davidarthur]

On the bike? That's a Castelli Fly Vest. Nice bit of extra warmth for some of the chillier temps we've had recently bit.ly/3N8LPH7

[@JasonLee-nn4gv]

you can get a TCR with 105di2, carbon wheel (slr36) at usd2.8k (rrp 3.75k) when on sales.. may not light or fast or bling.. but is a proven product.

[@stefanwagener]

If Winspace would add local dealers then prices would definitely go up.

[@nomadcarpenter8549]

Not a good enough customer experience to ask for that much money.

[@orangeorphan]

I’ve never needed customer service for my frame, though.

[@imark9386]

We're you washing your hats today 😂

[@markhall6026]

My slc is brilliant good quality and rides excellent

[@vo2maximus177]

So David, what was the deal with the loose hanger, fixable at home by screwing the bolts back up with some Loctite? You left us hanging!

[@ageofsigmar7236]

Why not! 💪🏻Even the Pinarello frame also made in China 😂

[@seraph4581]

Already hiding on Chinese carbon frameset. It's a lesser known brand called Thrust but I love it!

[@jonphotos8631]

What bike would you say that is resembling? Cervelo s5 ?

[@dustisallthings4542]

What a day ! Two (2) bomb drops... @Hambini: 9Velo, The best wheels on the market. And @SirArthur: Sram Red has taken the Crown. I couldn't agree more. Whats next? I can't wait to see James give Burt a proper bike fit.

[@lazlo2511]

Wise to checkout the Winspace factory tour, these guys are not an ordinary brand, and should not be classed with the rest of the pack. They’ve invested hugely on R&D, hence the new pricing structure.

[@bitgeist_21]

I would love to know who else Winspace makes frames for. I don't doubt it's probably a decent frame. And they are probably able to provide a higher grade of carbon fiber for a lower price than western brands can. but at 193cm tall; I consider this frame too small for me. I really love that Cannondale, Canyon, Specialized, and so on have me well covered as a taller rider. But prices is always a factor and as such; these eastern brands are going to be hard to disregard.

[@jimthebikeguy]

Difficult to justify at that price, given its no cheaper than a load of other well known stuff.

[@Lenser]

Giant here!

[@aidesbnlee5422]

i m Chinese. To be honest, this is too expensive for me. TCR is a cheaper option for me

[@tonyg3091]

I’d be grateful if someone can share first hand experience with Hyper 3 50mm, thanks

[@nationsnumber1chump]

its really hard to get a decent Ultegra build these days with carbon wheels for under $4500.

[@marccarter1350]

Will stay on my Italian build condor steel frameset

[@doctorscoot]

Are we ready for Chinese bikes? We mostly already ride them! Just with western branded stickers.

[@hope2someday691]

Did Giant’s name get mentioned more than Winspace’s ??

[@niklaskristensson2231]

Cool bike! Did I hear press fit?😮

[@jonphotos8631]

How does this bike hold speed compared to the dogma f?

[@manaconvert6548]

Hi dev. can u review zrace rotor disc that like a Sram red 2024 rotor disc🙏🏻

[@georgekarakatsanis4721]

But they’re both Chinese. One from the People’s Republic of China and the other is from Republic of China which is the official name of the country. So what’s the comparison? It would have made a lot more sense to compare a wholly European or American made bike with one or both of these. As it stands you’re only making a comparison between a recent Chinese brand and a longer established one.

[@adamcharles9090]

There aren't many true European carbon bikes to compare to. Almost all European brand frames are made in China too!

[@royanderson3478]

Are you paid $$$$ by either brand? Please 🙏 do specify at the beginning. Im not into commercials in 2024.😊

[@milkbunnies]

What a redundant question to cover…

[@Simon-Simon-Simon]

So was the bolt for front derailer mount just loose

[@happydays8171]

One might as well buy one, paint it and put their name on the downtube and have a higher resale value.

[@Mububban23]

Is there a Winspace equivalent to a Giant Defy?

[@yonglingng5640]

Winspace haven't made an endurance frameset so far.

[@maxxieyuan]

the fact is the frames and wheels of most of the brands you know are made in China

[@DrFlashburn]

I don't understand. You had a loose bolt and it couldn't be tightened. Or was it that the mount was broken?

[@joystation1]

I think the actual bracket had come loose from the seat tube. To fix it could be a matter of simply tightening the bracket mounting bolts but if the nuts inside the seat tube are no longer bonded to the composite resin, that's potentially a more serious problem.

[@gregoriohb]

Please, test the Twitter T8.

[@ivansobotik903]

"External seat clamp"... I wish Giant and many others realized the difference this makes... I will never ever (again) buy a bike with an integrated seat clamp. So few pros (if any) and so many cons... Kudos for Winspace just for this detail. Though I am not a fan of the Chinese "copy-paste" brands.

[@benhardwick1970]

Winspace make all their own frames and wheels and make them for other large brands too

[@fredericpressel1611]

Why calling it downgrading a Chinese Bike? Does Giant produce their bikes in Europe?

[@adityanathan]

What's the max tires size in this frame?

[@davidarthur]

32mm

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Does it hold it's speed? 😂 i think the FD mount is a rivnut thats popped into the frame. And this for sure is a problem..

[@johnsumner6185]

Bikes are so expensive, fewer events in the USA now. No one wants to pay to play anymore.

[@GoodSirTets]

Anyone tried running mech shifting with an integrated cable bike like this?

[@LeeSpot]

running R8020 with Winspace T1550. All cables are integrated. Of course, no issues.

[@therainbowgulag.]

We've already got Chinese bikes?????!!!!!!😂

[@REMODA92]

Chinese brands can provide all the performance buzzword metrics that mimic the established brands but what they cant offer is resale value. The market for premium used Chinese road bikes is pretty much zero to the sum of zero.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

Resale value? Does anything else depreciate as fast as a carbon-fiber road bicycle? All the profits are made on those buyers who just can't wait to have the newest-latest while those with patience can buy their barely-used last one via an online used bike merchant. As they say, "Fools and their money..."

[@zanguro6200]

Its expensive because they might be sold outside china, outsourced. If someone from Europe or elsewhere will sell for Winspace, it will become expensive.

[@robbchastain3036]

Schwinn and Raleigh led the way to Asian mass-production half a century ago, so no, nothing unusual about bikes from China, another Asian nation long producing bikes for export, now high-performance ones, too.

[@andreemurray7039]

The Chinese brands are slowly taking over as the major brand's are over priced and over rated

[@davidarthur]

Do you own a Winspace or similar then or plan to buy one soon?

[@andreemurray7039]

@@davidarthur have a cipollini which Chinese had checked out by a carbon company ride fine looks great

[@jamesbutler1949]

put the pedals on for weight FFS. Still going down the same route as well established brands. The cable routing through the headset is a NO from me. impossible to do at home and to expensive at the shop.

[@MrReenie44]

So what pedals should they use when weighing the bike , light weight 190gram Looks Blades or 400g+ alloy flats or SPD's ?

[@joystation1]

Yeah, I too find it slightly annoying when they tell you the weight of the bike excluding pedals but all you got to do is add 260 grams, the weight of a set of 105 pedals, to the figure they give you and you've got a pretty good idea of the all-up weight. Cable routing is not impossible to do at home, I know because I've done it. A cable routing kit helps. Granted routing mechanical brake and gear cables is harder than routing hydraulic hoses and di2 wires.

[@korsveien]

Temu should make a bike…

[@dragonnetx]

Winspace is gaining popularity

[@SenorCherv]

If Giant would up their game and make a TCR to match the quality of Winspace then maybe I would consider a TCR. Winspace wins in both quality and price. BTW, please update this video with your actual findings of the front derailleur issue. I can’t imagine sending back a frame for a little loctite… if that’s the case.

[@deantranter1258]

The only reason a Giant TCR frame set is £2k is to make the complete builds look better value and give it some kudos.

[@AK-oz4ew]

Crazy expensive frame, you can get older brand new S-Works carbon frames for less

[@alexbianchi685]

Ehhh no.

[@vp5209]

Good luck returning it to Ali if the frame eventually fails

[@simmooz3528]

They have uk dealers now

[@benhardwick1970]

They have nothing to do with Ali express and make all their own frames and wheels. They also make them for western brands as well

[@卡臣-c2f]

Maybe you should try SEKA spear

[@davidarthur]

watch this space :)

[@pouzivatellinuxu9262]

It's easy to produce and sell something cheaply when you didn't come up with the initial idea, when you didn't invest any money in development and testing and just copied and stole the design of the final product.

[@joystation1]

Who came up with the "initial idea" and what "final product " have Winspace copied ?

[@benhardwick1970]

Winspace have their own wind tunnel testing and make all their own frames and wheels, they also make them for other western brands

[@PikachuV4rS]

Merida tks

[@heavymetal6910]

I would be terrified to fart whilst riding a Chinese bike in case it fell to pieces

[@Eric-n3q]

That bike is rubbish it's made in China no different than the junk made in Taiwan you can find a really nice Italian road bike with campy bike for less than what those new Chinese ones cost I paid $600 for my Bridgestone with all campy and it's made in Japan with quality

[@carltonholmes8061]

I will never ever ride on CCP stuff.

[@sarahtoustra7127]

You probably already are. Where is your frame made?

[@tonyg3091]

@@sarahtoustra7127Slovakia 😉

[@MrBerry67]

Sure - I love supporting countries that help the Russians out - no of course I wouldn't buy a Chinese bike - not ever

[@ravenmoto5948]

Where do you think all the Frames and bikes are made? China and Tawain

[@vp5209]

@@ravenmoto5948 Made in China ≠ Chinese owned company

[@Chris.E.]

I appreciate the thought behind your comment and while I want to agree, you simply can't avoid it. Like the other guy mentioned, many of the other big brands are assembled in China and Taiwan also. Do you own a smartphone? Probably manufactured and assembled in China. Apple has literally admitted to using Chinese child labor in China. The majority of big brands in America unfortunately use China. It's the American way.

[@tonyg3091]

@@ravenmoto5948Carefull with that ALL. My road bike frame is made in EU. Slovakia-more precisely. You getting it?

[@chrysopylaedesign]

What is a Kilo?

[@HeadPack]

A general term for 1000. In this case 1000 grams.

[@chrysopylaedesign]

@@HeadPack What is a Gram??

[@HeadPack]

@@chrysopylaedesign A gram is a unit of weight. Weight is a force acting on an object due to gravity. A force acts as an influence on an object, changing its velocity. Velocity is the direction and speed of an object. Gravity is the subject of many theories, none of which have yet produced consensus among the physicists.

[@johndef5075]

2.2 lbs.

[@chrysopylaedesign]

​@@johndef5075Oh, thanks. I wish the vid had just said that in the first place