NEW Giant TCR… The Bike We Can't Figure Out | The NERO Show Ep. 73

[@nerocoaching]

Worth noting: Advanced SL 0 retail price in Australia is $13799 AUD ($8994 USD). Same bike in USA is $12500 USD. I can't explain that price difference... Those not from Australia may not be as stoked with the value as we are here.

[@nhabben1]

Wait so it is cheaper fly from the US to AUS, buy the bike, and fly back for less than it costs in the US.

[@604idan]

This constantly happens in the clothing retail world between USA and Canada too. The canadian suggested retail prices are always too cheap compared to the US/CAD exchange rate

[@gokaygs]

Similar is the case with motorcycles, Honda adv 160 is $3000 in Philippines with a better spec(rear wheel disc instead of drum), worse spec adv 160 is $4500 in the US.

[@kallewirsch7915]

In Germany, the top-end TCR is >20% more expensive than the top-end Canyon Ultimate!

[@Grunge_Cycling]

Giant is even cheaper in China

[@Pmor75]

Luke Plapp was riding a TCR today at Paris Nice....

[@troycollett8540]

Plapp

[@markharrison6120]

Super pleased to see the new TCR makes me want to keep my 2023 TCR...

[@MrAidanturvey]

I work in a bike shop and while I can’t specifically speak on the TCR (we are a specialized dealer), I can tell you that in our shop the aethos outsells the tarmac 5 to 1. The reality is the vast majority of road riders do NOT race. They want a light, snappy, comfortable road bike that feels good to ride. 9 times out of 10 they want to adjust the fit, having a separate bar/stem makes that cheaper and easier

[@seanmccuen6970]

Bingo.

[@bernardo9202]

Well they have a better option out there in the form of the DEFY

[@bernardo9202]

It seems that the domane, ultimate or the crux should be the bike of selection. Super wide capacities and made for the average users

[@laillosidgar]

In Indonesia, Helios, TCR, supersix, and emonda still the most popular type. But with resurgence of ultra cycling/randonneur, Domane, Caledonia, Aspero, Defy start to outsell them.

[@87togabito]

@@bernardo9202the defy isn’t as cool as the S-works name. The fact that you would even consider the defy, tells me that you don’t understand modern day average user lol. Modern day cycling is about having a cool bike as a cool toy to show off on rides; your fitness or rides you do is a secondary consideration that you might brag about, but no one really cares about. If your local scene is however made up of the opposite, then it’s highly likely that your country just isn’t a market that the bicycle companies care much for. More than willing to bet that getting parts during Covid like 12spd di2 etc was a headache there, compared to some other countries where it was on the shelf for the picking.

[@Boatandoffice]

Cadex wheels require service that not all Giant locations can or are allowed to perform requiring postage which is an out of pocket expense unless you physically live in the city that handles them. Furthermore the spokes are carbon and if you’re travelling to a race you’ll want to purchase spares as it’s unlikely those will be in stock. How safe carbon spokes are when they break (pothole etc) is unknown and I’d focus on those as just important drawback as hookless is

[@DaveCM]

Carbon spokes are more robust than steel

[@TheWoogeroo]

Maybe, but when they’re damaged, what do they look like? When they do fail, what happens? If they do fail, how do you replace them and who can do it?

[@Boatandoffice]

Exactly right. Honest questions

[@Anon.User.602]

Giant is not popular in the Bay Area. Looks like a great classic bike. Never heard of TCR before this show.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

WOW! This actually blows my mind. Potentially the most popular bike in Australia. Thanks for the comment man.

[@Anon.User.602]

@@ChrisMillerCyclingIt could be a Bay Area thing. Specialized HQ is here, so in the high-end market for road bikes, S-Works tops. Other than this, I see Cervelos, Treks, and some Canondale/Factor in the young/middle generation (plus lots of Canyon). Exotic Italian brands like Pinarello, Colnago, and Willier/Bianchi seem to be favored by more senior cyclists. Great show!

[@stuartfrancis519]

Nero doing a Hbomberguy on Bike reviews

[@massimocaradonna3857]

I love that this channel has become the bike reviewers review channel

[@brandonvillegas9249]

This channel is 90% “it’s just froth” and the other 10% is hating on absolutely everything unless it’s top of the line or best of the best

[@pennyblue6372]

„it is the same bike, it us just lighter, stiffer an a bit more aero“ wtf should they do jessie? putting wings on it

[@Dustydayzz]

yet u ppl keep coming back lol

[@mrcha0s]

​@@brandonvillegas9249and this is why we come back. Because we love to hate.

[@brandonvillegas9249]

@@mrcha0s yea buddy. Not hating just giving constructive criticism. I watched this channel for about a year and just got bored of all the hating THEY DO. Like they’re the character people are referring to when people say cyclist are a bunch of elitist snobs.

[@Hambini]

Cade Media conveniently don't tick the box that says "Paid promotion" on their sponsored videos. They'll probably say they forgot, in reality it is for the algorithm.

[@peterconnors5259]

Great fan of your work and seeing your comments across cycling KZbin, stay real 👍

[@eto2352]

Don't even watch Cade Media anymore. It's like the Temu version of GCN now.

[@clarkebynum4623]

@@eto2352💀DAMN hahahahah

[@glennoc8585]

They have a paid promotion mentioned in their latest video for decathlon.

[@BrianRPaterson]

@@eto2352 That's a bit unfair. The Wild Ones podcast is a lot of fun. They have Mechanic Nick on quite a bit and he doesn't push product. Neither does Bikefit James. Besides, GCN do a pretty good job as a cycling magazine channel. They're entertaining and fairly informative. And it's all free!

[@lukewalker1051]

TCR is probably the best all arounder race bike on the planet for last 15 years. They improved it with small changes. Don't mess with a winning formula unlike Specialized adding a hideous wart to the head tube and calling it a new model. TCR has been the best cost/benefit road bike for all time and good news will be in 2024. PS. TCR not aero as you assert? Better watch Dave Arthur's personal TCR comparison in the wind tunnel compared to Trek's flagship aero Madone. There was nothing between them and this new bike has more truncated tube shapes. The dummy in the wind tunnel testing the new TCR wouldn't speak about testing with an integrated bar and stem. All the dummy would say is integated bars and stems are a bike maker money grab and for dummies.

[@decoherence926]

R5

[@ericwilson6750]

Luke just took yellow at stage 4 of Paris-nice on the the new TCR.

[@fitbikeco3421]

Hot tip, Giant's Japanese website lists the weight of their bikes.

[@DaM.1]

Thank you 👍

[@JamesBoz]

かしこまりました！(^_^)

[@xAudiolith]

Thanks I just came to rant about exactly this. 5k on a push bike and they don't even tell you the weight. Bonkers the market right now..

[@bluemystic7501]

It exists because we don't just ride bikes on flat surfaces by ourselves. We care about comfort, dancing up hills, and the ability to hammer.

[@mat_from_ballarat]

To me, the TCR doesn't make sense as a second race bike. The Propel seems, on paper, to do it all. But, I have a TCR and I absolutely love it. I know that it's not the fastest bike, but it looks awesome and feels amazing to ride. Given it's history, it's developed a cult following, and was so cutting edge in the beginning. I applaud Giant for continuing to make a bike that doesn't necessarily make sense, but people still love.

[@markr6383]

You hear pro-teams talk about picking a bike for when the race is going to be decisive. So a GC rider might pick the TCR because he's going to spend all day in the wheels, then when the race actually kicks off it's on a 9% climb and the weight savings matter more than the Propel's aero advantage. You could also claim that the TCR would be more comfortable for that rider over a long tour, and that might keep him a bit fresher.

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

I'm going again this week (sorry)... You've gotta talk about Jasper's haute route vlog series... The best videos going round at the moment. So good what he's bringing us

[@whatsuphonkycat]

Gotta get jasper on the show

[@antonlasy7501]

absolutely !

[@Penalist]

Tour Magazin tested the new TCR at 221 watt. The 2021 version is at 227 watt. Both at 45km/h.

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

Already tested it in their wind-tunnel?!

[@nerocoaching]

Napkin maths checks out 👌

[@Gianniz27]

@@SamuelBlackMetalRideryes they did.

[@nomad7719]

221w…. Now I am not sure whether I should get this or not. Shall I go to evo Hi-mod gen4?

[@Penalist]

@@nomad7719 Choose what makes you happy as a cyclist.

[@ericmagee9054]

Propel = boring. TCR = fun. There you go

[@petersouthernboy6327]

The Giant US website lists the TCR Advanced Pro Frameset for $2100. That’s my jam.

[@patrickparisienne1917]

The cold cutting technique is so a laser doesn’t cure the pre preg carbon cloth edges. I agree the stiffness to weight ratio as well as value is Giant’s calling card.

[@bensonburnsaus]

Thank you. Makes sense.

[@morellish]

Tadej just soloed a victory from 80km out riding in an upright position compared to most. Brands are moving away from aero bikes and the rims are 30-45 deep - proven that over 40 shaves a few watts and is not worth it. Get with the times!

[@gregbrown3764]

Tadej rode Enve 4.5s. I'd encourage you to review their rim heights.

[@Gianniz27]

Most Remco solo victories were on shallow Roval alpinists.

[@TheWoogeroo]

Chris says that LR and Benji aren’t gonna do grand fondos… They’re both a few weeks from doing the full length Tour of Flanders sportive

[@GCPerformance18]

I never seen you guys dive so deep into data and analytics, must really like the giant, but when the specialized launched you focused more on the marketing….someone has a favorite brand 😂

[@gregmorrison7320]

Specialized gets enough hype but a price many don't want to pay, I liked the indepth look into a bike I'm much more likely to buy.

[@shimona500]

In the words of Jesse from a month ago: "What's got them so aroused?" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpWWqKGve7F3frM

[@michprent]

They just hate specialized. Still, i like watching those two guys. And bought a sworks sl8. So i am on your side Grand 😉

[@nerocoaching]

@@michprent Don't hate Specialized at all, did 10 minutes discussing how good their new helmet and shoes are 2 weeks ago!

[@michprent]

@@nerocoaching i am sorry JC. You guys just hate the Tarmac sl7 and sl8. Just because, "its such a good bike" 😂😂

[@ozgurinsan]

New TCR will sell like hot cakes.

[@PeakTorque]

No need for the TCR now. Between the racier new ultra light Defy, and the ‘Aero’ propel. The TCR is not needed.

[@therider4909]

Agree. The extra comfort and compliance of the Defy is a winner on anything but the smoothest roads and it is close enough to the TCR in other respects for the vast majority of non-pro riders. “All-day comfort” is on all the time, every pedal stroke, every pothole or poor surface repair.

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

Apparently it sells like crazy in China

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Did you write this comment on 🚽 wearing Nero kit PT? Be honest 😉

[@PeakTorque]

the most aero turd i have ever done!@@ChrisMillerCycling

[@dickieblench5001]

Defy has longer wheelbase so will feel inferior?

[@martinhudobivnik5895]

Over here in Europe, highest an Ultimate CFR bike with Shimano goes for is 10k EUR. Giant TCR is 12.3k EUR based on specs, and assuming it will end up in a similar price range.

[@graemehill]

Honest question regarding the S5: why do you say a shorter wheelbase makes it better for accelerating. I only have first year physics but afaik shorter wheelbase makes steering twitchier and allows you to fit into tighter spaces in a crowded peloton but does not affect how fast you ride or accelerate. Is it possible it's all in your head or am I missing something?

[@marcuswalker7312]

I’m pretty sure it’s because a shorter wheelbase generally means a shorter chain stay length which makes the acceleration feel more “direct”.

[@joelecho]

It feels faster. There's zero basis in physics for it. It just feels faster. Which if you're not racing, it may matter more how fast it feels vs how fast it is.

[@fLowKnows]

Guys have you rode both Propel and TCR? Propel feels significantly more boring to ride.

[@neilmckenna236]

Im really sorry but, Dave Arthur reviews are absolutely terrible. They are all virtually exactly the same ..... 👎

[@gregmorrison7320]

Your best video yet with the in depth look at the TCR, obviously I'm a fan of the TCR 😄

[@davidgeorge9233]

My best friend had the old propel and swapped to a 2021 TCR, other than being much lighter most of the reason he loved it was the way it rides. There’s something about the way a bike rides that can’t be captured by the type of data that marketing and testing love so much, and I think for most of us ride feel is a metric that we value over outright speed.

[@87togabito]

I think most racers won’t be able to appreciate or care about it. It’s the same reason why I bought the aethos. Yes, it’s light, but that isn’t the main reason why one should buy one.

[@arnaud7536]

isn't the TCR a stiffer(better) Aethos?

[@cjeff77]

okay, so I see a lot of bike published data with watts saved at x km/h. As an amateur rider for a 50km-ish ride at best I'll average 30km/h on undulating terrain, I'll be riding between 20-40km/h pending gradient but really sitting about low 30's on the flat. I'd love to know if aero watt savings matter to any real difference at these speeds. I'm still leaning towards lightness over aero focus, hence why I'm guessing a TCR is a more sellable bike than a propel? Just a thought, I'm no expert. Would manufacturers have anything to market between aero bikes and 'road bikes' if they published watt comparison's at 30km/h

[@taithatas]

Nero TCR chat a day early, let’s goooooo

[@GravelRacer1]

You guys should talk about amateur cycling race in Spain where 130 out of 182 riders quit the race after the drug testing officials showed up. 😬

[@leandermeulebroeck]

The fact giant always specs the bikes with hookless wheels is why i bought my frame separately and my local bike shop build it up with my choices.

[@shreyas1990s]

As someone who rides the TCR everyday… I had my fingers crossed for Giant to not give it the “aero” makeover and I am glad they didn’t! Aero is so overrated on a road bike and as someone who likes riding bikes for fun, a nimble light bike is ANYDAY better to ride than a heavier “aero” wind-tunnel optimized bike.

[@allisgood.6191]

Why haven’t you guys commented on Pogi’s “out of this world performance” ??? Pidcock was speechless “WTF”

[@michaelwood5897]

Okay, let me settle the “where does the TCR fit in racing” debate. The propel can’t climb and it can’t descend. It’s slow to accelerate and has ZERO personality. Completely lifeless. It’s a crit bike with no other real world purpose. It is fast. Very fast. On flats. That’s it. You won’t see Yates on the Propel. I had both for over a year.

[@PeakTorque]

And what universe of physics do you hail from?

[@richardggeorge]

Half a kilo difference. Barely any difference for a 80kg rider like me

[@alvaroodeh4794]

Once you try a TCR you understand why its so popular, whether its an entry level or an SL

[@michaelwood5897]

@@PeakTorque Notnsure what you mean. The propel is fast on flats and short courses but pretty lifeless everywhere else and handles the same way trying to get round a corner holding a 16ft plank of wood. The TCR is lighter, quicker at accelerating and better handling at speed. Didn’t know I needed a PhD to know that. Propel is a great bike. Just for very few people and for very few things.

[@michaelwood5897]

@@richardggeorge The difference is staggering when you go between the two on the same course.

[@danielinniss]

35 minutes shilling the TCR, to then castigate Bike Radar for "shilling" for not talking about hookless wheels No disrepect lads but theres still a lot of work to be done on determining whether hookless really are that troublesome; run tubes, as Peak Torque mentions, job done

[@jeremynorth]

Aero is overrated and just marketing BS

[@nhabben1]

FYI speeds like 48km/h are from selecting wind tunnel speeds based on imperial speeds, that is 30 mph. You mention this about Cannondale results.

[@DaM.1]

I like it. I'm a 60kg rider and aero doesn't matter on race day when I'm riding behind someone else. I can hold wheels all day, and use the lighter bike when the climbs come. I won't be winning any flat races either way. I like the aeroad a lot, simply because of the looks. I was waiting for the new TCR to finally choose what I would buy, but the fact it comes with a hookless wheelset is a dealbreaker. The tyres are also shit. I will still try to negociate with the bike store to see if they change the wheels, but I doubt it will happen

[@pierremaggi8661]

With so few difference with previous version, why not get an outgoing model that surely will be discounted hard now ?

[@ozgurinsan]

they definitely will change the wheels, in my country they do.

[@Gianniz27]

Aeroad is heavy. SL8 or Supersix EVO 4 are light and aero too.

[@DaM.1]

@Gianniz27 SL8 is too expensive for me, unfortunately. I'm looking at 105 level builds. But it's definitely the best option for a rider like me

[@DaM.1]

@ozgurinsan After this I contacted them, and they said they would swap the wheels. Thank you for your input

[@suliom2258]

Totally off topic guys but just fyi, your show is the only show in you tube I can play KZbin Picture in Picture on my iPhone. Very handy feature, I don’t have a premium KZbin account so surprising. Doesn’t work on any other videos.

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

Me too!! How tf is that possible ?!

[@pierremaggi8661]

Use the browser version of KZbin, many browser offer native picture in picture for media. And then you can play it in background for free !

[@LukeGJPotter]

Same here. Thanks for the tip.

[@joeldurbridge2718]

Haha yeah, that’s odd but great!

[@SingaporeUntold]

Sweet. Thx bro

[@FullSimDriving]

seeing heart rate of Chris doing 300+ watts, #respect

[@przemyslawgawel8501]

Incredible undercutting 200% overpriced product by 10% your all bonkers dudes! Just get an Once TCR it rides the same or even better!

[@neilmckenna236]

The TCR top end bike is comparable price to all the top end bikes in the UK .... £12k 😮

[@ShawnIsBatman]

The logical conclusion must be that this release is nothing more than an incremental release of the existing bike, not in any way revolutionary. If I were on the previous generation of this bike and I had everything optimized, I can't see anything that this new model brings that screams out as a must buy. Finally, given the relatively modest changes that were made in this release, I question your choice to dedicate basically two-thirds of an entire episode to this release.

[@thomaskuhn6541]

You guys in Australia are getting a bargain with the top spec SL at AU$13,800. That bike is C$15,500 in Canada even though the AU$ is at an 11% discount to the C$. Your AU$13,800 is roughly US$9,100 at the current exchange rate. Americans could travel to Australia, buy the TCR and fund a good portion of their vacation with the money they save on the bike. I saw the same thing with the Revolt Advanced Pro 0 in 2022. I asked someone at Giant Canada what was going on and they said that Giant lets each country set it's own price. I found that hard to believe, but it seems to hold here.

[@JFomo]

Giant needs to explain themselves regarding those press images of the one piece bar and stem. The bike is 4 watts faster than the old model and all they did (which I like) was internally route the cables. The Specialized Roval one piece is 6 watts faster than the 2 piece bar and stem combo. I don't believe Giant did their testing with the 2 piece bar and stem.

[@brandtonwebb4597]

Agreed for the trek emonda the one piece bar is the majority of the aero gains from the previous model, so I’d be interested to see what it is without that bar.

[@Gianniz27]

Tour Mag tested it at 221 watts with separated bar/stem. Old one did 227 watts.

[@brandtonwebb4597]

@@Gianniz27 could you link the test I hadn’t realized they already tested the new tcr id be shocked if they got 6 watts off that bike just saw one in person next to a old one and they basically are the same

[@chauncydaubry8033]

Really enjoyed the nuanced observations you guys had about the new TCR. Top level analysis chaps!

[@piltrid1]

I think you guys nailed it as far as doing a paid promotion goes 👍. Short, to the point, no over the top claims or hype, done in such a calm manner that I actually listened/watched rather than instantly skipping.

[@Star14trek]

Hmmm regarding TCR in a bunch ride unless you are at the front the 10watt saving would be zero watt difference to TCR 😷 so as explained to you by PT !

[@philjono2462]

Does aero matter for the 150 riders in the race that never leave the peloton? In most GC stages it takes a hill to break up the race

[@Local.hero.1983]

Day early suits me fine as cade media/gcn tech & this podcast all drop on a Thurs around the same time.

[@87togabito]

This vid has convinced me that these “elite” riders don’t understand how covid has changed cycling permanently. The main cycling crowd now are people with big wallets and a life outside cycling . They are the ones who will throw 10k at a bike and never go for a single race in their life. No one buys a defy; it isn’t a bike you can show off. The TCR at least has pedigree that you can brag about. Today, The bike is a toy you ride and feel cool about. Deal with it. I’m sorry, but the days of you folks thinking that bicycles are made predominately for racers is over. Racers are simply big billboards to advertise bicycles for ppl with a big wallet who just want a cool looking or sounding bike.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

I’m sorry I don’t really understand your comment. So you’re saying we shouldn’t try and hold brands accountable for the marketing claims because most people just ride bikes to “feel cool about” them? Just because Jesse and I enjoy the performance of a bike as well as all the other elements, how does that make us “elitist”?

[@87togabito]

Simple. Because as you mentioned, regardless of how cool or impressive the tech that goes into the bike (e.g. harping on the carbon layout etc), all that matters little to you folks as a rider compared to swinging a leg over it in a race. But for most normal joes it’s the exact opposite. To the majority of riders who throws money at these bike companies, performance honestly comes somewhere much later down the line, after the marketing bike tech, colour options and bragging potential. We honestly don’t care about how it actually performs in races (even if we pretend to), something which you folks don’t seem to understand. to keep beleaguering race performance as the main metric, something most folks honestly don’t and won’t care to experience, makes you two elitist to the large majority of riders.

[@pierremaggi8661]

Random points as a TCR fanboyz: - the new version, like the previous one, just looks fantastic to me. Good enough selling point. - On release day, Giant must be delighted that Luke Plapp just rode his way to the GC lead of Paris-Nice against a stacked field. - Hookless wheels are probably the dark spot om this bike. Funny that on the own photo of the Cadex wheels release, the new Cadex Tyre list 95 psi as max pressure (probably true on hooked wheels), but poor Joe bloke not aware of what hookless is might be in for a nasty surprise if he goes 90+ psi...

[@joelecho]

I think the place for the TCR is really just that they've updated it for people who really want a TCR. Which is cool. TCRs are rad. It doesn't have to be a faster bike than the propel, or really lighter. Honestly like the market for most "lightweight" bikes these days when aero bikes are quite light too often. You've just got to want one cause you like how it feels or you think it's cool or it makes you feel awesome riding it.

[@Pablo_Coach]

The difference on frame is 5Watts from Propel to TCR so very very marginal. Most difference is from cockpit and wheelset

[@ozgurinsan]

The delusion of cycling youtube is they think everyone is pro racer. Nothing matters for most of the riders as geometry, aero or weight.They prioritize value and feelings.

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

Which was my point about how popular the bike is

[@melbournecyclingsegments7510]

It's funny how the once "revolutionary" TCR now has a timeless look and appeal. Mr Arthur pretty much said he liked the feel of the TCR and that he preferred the ride to the propel. Shame I bought a Revolt last week.

[@AK-je7ns]

The UK prices for the TCR stink.

[@RyonBeachner]

The TCR having an ISP at top level seems like a one piece bar stem would be a no brainer. An ISP is essentially just a one piece frame and seatpost.

[@MrBazsi888]

which year was TCR in rim brake version still available ?

[@gavinhughes8686]

This new TCR…yeah it’s a great bike but in this current economic condition with high costs of living its out of many people’s price range.

[@patrickwong4824]

It is time for the UCI to drop the weight restriction on pro bikes. We need a bigger separation between weight and aerodynamics,TCR vs Propel.

[@markhallowell4059]

Every time I see my TCR from side on I smile and it makes me want to ride. That is the secret. And bang for buck of course :)

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

BRING THE BEARD 🧔🏻‍♂️ BACK JESSE FFS

[@Adanteh]

Going for that Alaphillipe look

[@JayLato]

Here’s a new controversy for cycling KZbin……. Wheelset weight with carbon spokes is cheating…..rim and tire weight is what matters…….

[@alvaroodeh4794]

Its the package what matters

[@KNURKonesur]

Saw the letters TCR and though you maybe finally say something about the Trans Continental Race, but alas it's just some boring road bike...

[@Weemancrewie]

Is that an R5 on the wall??? I wonder whose riding that

[@ciprian7]

I have no idea where you get your prices and how you chose to compare but in US the Canyon Ultimate CFR Dura Ace is $9999 and the Giant TCR SL Dura Ace is $12500, Ultimate SLX Di2 Ultegra is $5799 and the Giant TCR Advanced Pro 0 with di2 Ultegra is $6500, you have it all backwards when comes to value for money, nothing against Giant but their bikes are not cheaper than Canyon, any trims , welcome your comments

[@TheGroupRide]

In my experience consumers will prefer looks over aero and the aero bikes like the Propel are just different enough from a "traditional" road bike that they are a visual turn off to a lot of riders. Cyclists talk about data at the coffee shop but they pull out their credit card for bikes that give them the fizzies. I think Giant is going after this rider as indicated by not dropping the seat stays. Also, aero bikes over 58cm have a history of being unstable wet noodles. I've been on 60cm, Propel, Argon Nitrogen, Venge, and an S4 and they were all terrible at high speed handling.

[@stickler6312]

All this ongoing fascination with aerodynamics. So what percentage does a bikes Cda contribute to the overall bike plus rider Cda? Two thirds of SFA.

[@Timinime-pw4gs]

I’m in the market for a new bike (keen on Ultegra Di2 and something a bit stiffer and lighter than my current bike). Narrowed it down to: Giant TCR Pro 0 / Canondale SuperSix Evo4 / Specialized Tarmac SP7 Expert / Canyon Ultimate SL8 CF My bike mechanic said to stay away from Canyon - he believes quality is hit and miss. Specialized is $1.5k more, with worse wheels, alloy handlebars, and no powermeter. The Supersix Evo looks great (albeit more expensive), but they don’t offer demo rides, and I’m anxious dropping $9k on a bike I can’t test. That leaves me with Giant (either Propel or TCR). Most people seem to think the TCR suits my riding type - hills, 40-80km rides, occasional group rides. I don’t get all the hate for Giant. It seems like great value for money, a quality bike, and they manufacture frames for most of the other manufacturers. It’s the Corolla of bikes - value for money, reliable, quality build.

[@petesjk]

About integrated seat posts- so you dial in your position, seems convenient for now. But what happens in a few years, when you have to get new shoes, and oh no, they don’t make the exact same shoes anymore. So your fit changes because the shoes are different, and now you’re not as dialed in. Maybe shoes aren’t a great example, but what if you run expensive power meter pedals now, and they need to be replaced in a few years. What if you want to switch brands of pedals? What if you decide to get narrower bars, which changes your seat position a bit that you want a different saddle? I might be bringing up little things, but marginal gains are what integrated seat posts are all about. I don’t think single use/single purpose marginal gains are worth sacrificing versatility for the majority of riders.

[@Eramsay121]

You do get a few mm adjustment wiggle room with ISPs, but I'm with you. It's kept me from taking a cracking deal on a used TCR before.

[@B00st672]

Also annoying for travel

[@Richard-qe7st]

I don’t think you even need to go that far. Over time, depending on your fitness and flexibility at the time, your position changes. I had an ISP on a Wilier a number of years ago. It was a pain. It is also more painful for travel, but I think the arrival of internal wiring, integrated stems and disc brakes has made travelling with your bike a very tough option these days. I keep an old Ti travel bike with S&S couplers, rim brakes, traditional bar and stem, external brake splitters …. the Giant Propel stays at home.

[@petesjk]

@@Richard-qe7st I’ve also experienced this, which just makes me question the whole integrated one piece stem/bar for most riders. I had a parasite infection which set my training back several months, if not close to a year. Before treatment my hips, knees and back were so stiff I felt like I needed to switch to a smaller frame. After treatment, I was back to normal, but ended up changing stem lengths and bar widths because I had gotten better physical therapy and found a better saddle. I’m still looking for a better saddle, which may require yet more changes, who knows.

[@dickieblench5001]

You get 20-40mm of spacers

[@hmmboost]

I hear you guys are impressed with the price undercutting... but there's no way these frames and components cost this much money anymore. It's 2024, this stuff is ironed out, R&D has slowed pretty heavily... us riders are just getting fleeced now. I bought a Giant Defy Advanced 3 in 2011 with 105 for $1.5k. The comparable Defy Advanced 2 is $3200 today. Inflation still doesn't bring them close.

[@TnFruit]

Well, you ignored something too. De Gendts tire comes off, caused by a broken wheel, not because it was a hookless rim.

[@kallewirsch7915]

When comparing to Canyon´s Ultimate: In Germany, the Canyon is cheaper than the TCR. And the Ultimate has the adjustable cockpit which allows the normal consumer to slam the stem and adjust the width at home without going to a bike shop.

[@petesjk]

I’m not happy about no rim brake option, either.

[@justanotherbloodycyclist]

The "Watts Saved" question is answered in this video featuring a spokesperson from Giant. Just thought I'd pass it onto you guys. Love your videos BTW. Keep up the good work. 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKalapZ3YrGWa5Isi=ZgeocdOUb2MKCnCW&t=67

[@tekesbur]

Pros ride whatever is given to them and let their legs talk (or not talk). Plapp had two minutes on Primoz in Paris Nice. Not a single human riding a Pinarello bike finished ahead of Plapp. What does it say about the bikes they were riding? Pretty much nothing. Imagine thinking Jonas Vingegaard can't cook the whole peloton on Col du Glandon if he was riding a TCR instead of a Cervelo.

[@burgess_and_his_bike]

I’d love to see some more testing. If it rides well and it’s lightweight I think there’s a real niche for it. Greater range surely means better consumer choice.

[@l160876]

In Europe, the top range Ultimate, the CFR Di2, is 9.999 Euros. Meaning 2.300 euros (3.800 AUD!!!!!) cheaper than the 12.299 euros top range Giant TCR SL0.

[@ryanS593]

Yep I’ll be sticking with my 23 tcr pro.

[@scottwatson7844]

With the Propel being faster and the Defy now much racier than before it does make you wonder why the TCR exists. That said it’s an iconic bike and it would be a huge risk for Giant to just ditch it.

[@TheWoogeroo]

Just a naming problem, call they propel the TCR and they’d have solved a bunch of problems and saved a lot of money.

[@leonbroekx]

I really don't understand why this TCR thing gets so much attention. I'm not a Giant fan, but also not a hater. I just look at the bike. It doesn't trigger anything with me. If someone would give it to me for free I would be like any other bike for me.

[@marcfarrelly5944]

That Helmet looks like the whale in Finding Dory, it is hilarious, turning professional cycling into triathlons day by day where shame is not a thing. I loved that it both looked stupid and they went slower, a win all round for comedy.

[@johnclement4781]

Isn’t giant like , buying a bike from Walmart? My lord , stop buying expensive rubbish like giant and sram and buy pinarello and campagnolo and do it properly

[@adamcharles9090]

Does it make any sense?... no. Does it offer anything the current bikes didn't?... not really. Will it likely be my next bike?... probably.

[@glennoc8585]

Mr Coyle looks very different sans beard. I haven't owned a giant frame/fork bike for years but I might get a TCR down the track.

[@ericmagee9054]

Hookless rims what a buzz kill otherwise since my current tcr is the 2019 model I reallllllly want this bike

[@YannickOkpara-d5l]

Did Jesse just shave or did he also colour his hair darker? Lookin' crisp nonetheless, especially with the white shirt.

[@stuartm3684]

You don't question why Visma ride Cevelo R5 and S5 but can't figure out why any Jayco rider would pick a TCR over a Propel?

[@haydenjames1391]

because the S5 and R5 are clearly different ends of the spectrum bikes in terms of aero - lightweight. whereas a Propel is 7kg aero bike, makes a tcr redundant

[@dickieblench5001]

No they handle differently. TCR does not feel like a propel

[@roberthealey6820]

Bike Radar are full of crap. A waste of sarcastic time, thinking they’re so clever . . .

[@sabartoothwhale]

Seeing jesse without a beard makes me feel uncomfortable. Like seeing a turtle without it's shell

[@karih4841]

Are there any cases that can handle that frame, thinking of the seatpost here, if i want to travel by air?

[@BobMcJoe99]

I race but mostly I ride with groups on hills so the tcr just seemed like a better choice for only having one fast road bike

[@EagleRC1923]

TCR first WT race it wins hilly stage Paris Nice hilly stage under big Australian TT rider.

[@adrianmetcalfe1210]

Great show guys. No one wanted to comment that Jesse’s beard has fallen off and he looks like a teenager. 😂

[@25jmarch]

@nerocoaching Jesse - You're drinking the integrated seat post kool-aid. lol