The size of 3bet in 8max IP is for solver on 2.3 bb opening is 7.5bb with 100bb stack. However, I believe that it is much more ev+ to 3bet much more with identical sizes both in the case of 3bet on bleff and on value and in the same case also when you decide to 4bet on value or on bleff. A size x3.2 for me is ok for the rest from experience a fish player makes x/r on the flop only and in any case with value and not with possible draws or gunshoot or double draw, thanks for your videos and teachings Luca
@SmartPokerStudy4 күн бұрын
Thanks, Luca! Yeah, GTO sizing can be much different from what I use in micro-stakes cash games.
@lucalancellotta30774 күн бұрын
Thank you for your ability to explain the dynamics. However, I believe it is important to know the GTO from the first situations, in the specific case of KK, I believe it then depends on whether it is much better to isolate with 3bet at least 7bb, it would have been difficult to fold on the x/r flop but I repeat that move on the it point (. it) is always done with set. You can probably use these bet sizes for NL2 and NL5, but I think that from 10NL onwards it is necessary to have standard sizes also because you run the risk of playing too many multiway, don't you think?
@SmartPokerStudy4 күн бұрын
@@lucalancellotta3077 At the microstakes, when you 3bet small to 8bb or less, you encounter more multiway pots. This is one of the reasons I go to 9bb minimum. I'm also not playing against GTO minded players, so I'd rather play exploitatively once I know a little about my opponents. Yes, for his KK, he probably can't fold vs my xr. By going so low with his 3bet, he opened himself up to this multi-way pot. At that tiny size, he doesn't get the value he wants out of KK, and if he was bluffing with KTs for example, he's not getting the folds he wants.
@gustavodanielvrancich49364 күн бұрын
kk in position i 3 bet x3 oop x4. if they call and flop a set good for them, i will cb small and go from there, if the player is a nit and the board isnt connected when they raise is not a good sign. maybe i call see the turn. probably fold to a big bet. i play micros so most of the time they have one pair cruched. sorry about the english im thinking spanish now, but i follow you for sometime i think you are a great help for people that follow your channel.
@SmartPokerStudy4 күн бұрын
Thanks much, Gustavo, and your English is just fine :). I like your sizing, but I simplify it for myself and go 9bb minimum. The reason they open just 2bb is they're fine calling vs a 3x to 6bb. 9bb minimum gives them a harder decision which often ends up in more of my bluffs succeeding and getting more value when I hold TT+. I also add 3bb for each caller when I'm squeezing.
@llcoolmartine5 күн бұрын
In tournament this is an OK size (a bit on the small size though but not by much)
@SmartPokerStudy5 күн бұрын
Yeah, tourney raise sizes with dwindling stacks are smaller than cash games.
@brendangallagher34534 күн бұрын
I don't think the raise size in the KK hand dictated what the villain was going to do. If you raise 3bb 5bb or 10bb preflop out of the small blind i would say (at the lower stakes)you are getting 3bet by JJ 100% of the time.
@SmartPokerStudy4 күн бұрын
For sure, he's 3betting with JJ. But at only 6bb (3x my 2bb open), he's missing out on value versus my weaker hands willing to call (underpairs, broadways, sc's, etc.) and if he's bluffing, 6bb isn't enough to get me to fold. That's why I stress 9bb minimum for value and bluff 3bets. Thanks, Brendan.
@brendangallagher34534 күн бұрын
@SmartPokerStudy you are welcome.i was thinking of doing some sort of course and see you have a deal at the minute but I don't think I play often enough to pay a load of money for something I don't take too seriously (I have no time really).thanks for all the videos you have on here, they turned me from a losing player to a slightly losing player 😊tilt is my biggest issue
@SmartPokerStudy4 күн бұрын
@@brendangallagher3453 Thanks and I'm happy to hear my videos have helped!
@georgenistor27615 күн бұрын
Stop bro! U are a disgrace for this game with comments for the firat hand. That 3b 2.5 is perfect fine v a 50 bb stack.
@auntiesbeads4 күн бұрын
My concern would be if I've shown bluff 3betting for 9bb+, then my small 3bet is a tell that I have value. If I'm not worried that anyone has observed that, then I might go 3x based on the fold to 3bet stats, hoping to avoid everyone folding. But this table seems loose enough (27/16/6) to get calls on a larger size (we don't see BTN or SB stats). I wouldn't claim you are wrong about the bet (you are certainly wrong about your personal attack on Sky). Your bet size might be exactly what a solver would say (I haven't checked) but I do see the point that there are more exploitative bet sizes to consider here.
@dhalikias4 күн бұрын
@@auntiesbeads GTOW's recommendation is 2x bet on 9max and 2.5bb on 6max. So the argument really is, ignore GTO at this table because you can exploit with a larger raise.
@boothbuster4 күн бұрын
@@dhalikiasyeah the smaller 3bet keeps pots small and then also expects to get 4 bet raised at proper frequency so it works out in terms of bluffing for cheap but then getting value for premiums. When no one's 4 betting as a bluff or at all really without aa or kk, then we need to 3 bet bigger ourselves for value and thus also as a bluff.
@boothbuster4 күн бұрын
Also, regarding this hand in particular... theoretically, if his small 3b got you to stay in with AJ or KJ or even QJ, and give any amount of action, then it was a winning size choice. Now if you really could fold all those hands on the flop and not put in any more chips, and only give action with a set, then he misplayed his KK for sure. But realistically yeah I'm going to reraise a short stack more to get them committed. If anything the fact it was a short stack should have demanded a much larger 3bet from him.