Arguments for Death Penalty

[@CMVMic]

If you take away someone's right to life, you forfeit your right to life!!!! Simple logic!!!! People have a right to self defense, Society should have a right to self defense!

[@AYVYN]

The criminal will die anyways. They won't be immortal if you sentence them to life in prison, plus you have the ability to release the innocent if they're sentenced to life instead of death.

[@CMVMic]

@@AYVYN the criminal does not deserve a long life, they took away that from their victims. Also, allowing them a long life creates the risk of them killing inmates, calling hits from inside jails, creating gangs and being released for appearing innocent when they are in fact guilty. Not to mention, setting a precedent that the penalty for murder is a slap on the wrist. If someone is sentenced to death then it is because they have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If for some chance said person is innocent, then that doesn't mean the system is flawed, only that we are human. If you believe in God, then said innocent person will be judged by God accordingly. If not, then the risk of killing an innocent does not outweigh the risk of freeing the guilty. It is a moral dilemma similar to the trolley problem and if we remove punishment because an innocent may be punished then we might as well throw away the entire justice system.

[@Vince_theStormChaser]

@@CMVMic That last part of what you said tells a lot about who you are as a person, and none of it is good in the slightest.

[@rogercoello6801]

​@@Vince_theStormChaserexplain why?

[@Vince_theStormChaser]

@@rogercoello6801 If that person is willing to allow an innocent person die under the law, and than brush it off by saying that God will judge them (No evidence of a god or any deities by the way), just so you can keep the death penalty, than YOU ARE IMMORAL. Let's get into to why that's the case, and why allowing innocent people to be executed in the Criminal Justice system is wrong since the person above doesn't seem to understand this, this is gonna be extensive but I don't care: Legal factors: There is a legal term called the "Blackstone ratio", the main idea is that "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer". This is important because it a concept that reminds us of how certain we need to be in order to determine if someone’s guilty beyond reasonable doubt (We need to be very certain), especially if we are talking about taking someone life. However, we see in many cases of innocent people being executes or almost executed. By its very nature, the death penalty carries the inherent risk of executing an innocent person. Since 1973, at least 190 people who had been wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated. That's not even factoring in people who were executed by were possibly innocent. Since 1976, there were 1571 people executed, who knows how many people of that 1571 were also possibly innocent. The truth is that are many examples of how our criminal justice system is just too imperfect Capital punishment to be allowed. Perhaps when we become 99.9% certain that someone’s guilty, this wouldn't be much of a problem. But then, there are moral reason why the death penalty is wrong. Moral Factors: Again, it is irreversible, and mistakes happen. But it is also cruel, inhuman, and degrading, especial for a modern postindustrial society that likes to give off the impression that its civil. It is often used against the most vulnerable group in our society, including the poor, ethnic and religious minorities, and the mentally ill. The death also doesn't really deter crime anyways, there is a research paper published that demonstrates this, I'll put a link below in case you want to read it. Side Note: This not a moral reason, but the death penalty is also very expensive. For each death penalty case, it cost $1.26 million, and this could be better spent in sectors that can address and solve issues that lead to violent crimes or any crime. Just something that you should think about and consider. Also bringing up God judging the innocent is not and should be an argument for the death penalty. Besides, there's no evidence for any deity's existence anyways. We most likely talking about the Christian god who's the same god that supposedly flooded the whole world because of what a few people in one small part of the world had done, I don't think I want to judge in the slightest by a god like that. Anyways, I hope this is a damn good explanation for you. scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7323&context=jclc

[@custardcreme5562]

Love this guys smile when he talks about death XD

[@anindomahmud8276]

I am pro death penalty when it comes to crimes like mugging, serial killing and raping. I do not believe that the lives of those who irreparably ruin the lives of innocent people should be spared.

[@AYVYN]

No justice results from those that understand death, but not mortality.

[@Hailsatan13]

What about wage theft from an employer that results in someone entering into debt or losing their home? Drunk driver crashing into another car? Police assaulting innocent people? Military persons killing civilians or torturing people? ^do you think all of these situations where innocent people have their lives irreparably changed/ruined should also result in the state murdering people?

[@Karll541]

@@Hailsatan13lol

[@roarkemartin]

Ironically you caring about innocent life should make you anti death penalty. Have you heard about the innocence issue with executions?

[@AYVYN]

Everybody dies. Might as well sentence the criminal to take a piss

[@tartipouss]

It’s really that simple, idk why people have been fighting over this question for so long

[@dorothyahlswede]

Mr. Hicks raises an excellent point concerning the need to reform the justice system to respect juries and victims. My views on this topic changed when I appreciated that there would be many more people alive and well today if Ted Bundy had not managed to evade swift punishment by the legal system for his capital offenses (he escaped from custody before finally being re-captured).

[@AYVYN]

That was before RICO turned our prisons into the walls of Babylon

[@AYVYN]

If Ted Bundy lived a life sentence in today's prisons. He would've received an equivalent amount of fear, pain, isolation, and bondage that he inflicted on his victims.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@@AYVYN Not the same amount of death.

[@jelowry7490]

ask if there are less deaths after the death penalty reinstated... it went right back up....

[@dmtdreamz7706]

There was a very strange feature in this case, strange because of its extremely rare occurrence. This man had once been brought to the scaffold in company with several others, and had had the sentence of death by shooting passed upon him for some political crime. Twenty minutes later he had been reprieved and some other punishment substituted; but the interval between the two sentences, twenty minutes, or at least a quarter of an hour, had been passed in the certainty that within a few minutes he must die. I was very anxious to hear him speak of his impressions during that dreadful time, and I several times inquired of him as to what he thought and felt. He remembered everything with the most accurate and extraordinary distinctness, and declared that he would never forget a single iota of the experience. ‘About twenty paces from the scaffold, where he had stood to hear the sentence, were three posts, fixed in the ground, to which to fasten the criminals (of whom there were several). The first three criminals were taken to the posts, dressed in long white tunics, with white caps drawn over their faces, so that they could not see the rifles pointed at them. Then a group of soldiers took their stand opposite to each post. My friend was the eighth on the list, and therefore he would have been among the third lot to go up. A priest went about among them with a cross: and there was about five minutes of time left for him to live. ‘He said that those five minutes seemed to him to be a most interminable period, an enormous wealth of time; he seemed to be living, in these minutes, so many lives that there was no need as yet to think of that last moment, so that he made several arrangements, dividing up the time into portions-one for saying farewell to his companions, two minutes for that; then a couple more for thinking over his own life and career and all about himself; and another minute for a last look around. He remembered having divided his time like this quite well. While saying good- bye to his friends he recollected asking one of them some very usual everyday question, and being much interested in the answer. Then having bade farewell, he embarked upon those two minutes which he had allotted to looking into himself; he knew beforehand what he was going to think about. He wished to put it to himself as quickly and clearly as possible, that here was he, a living, thinking man, and that in three minutes he would be nobody; or if somebody or something, then what and where? He thought he would decide this question once for all in these last three minutes. A little way off there stood a church, and its gilded spire glittered in the sun. He remembered staring stubbornly at this spire, and at the rays of light sparkling from it. He could not tear his eyes from these rays of light; he got the idea that these rays were his new nature, and that in three minutes he would become one of them, amalgamated somehow with them. ‘The repugnance to what must ensue almost immediately, and the uncertainty, were dreadful, he said; but worst of all was the idea, ‘What should I do if I were not to die now? What if I were to return to life again? What an eternity of days, and all mine! How I should grudge and count up every minute of it, so as to waste not a single instant!’ He said that this thought weighed so upon him and became such a terrible burden upon his brain that he could not bear it, and wished they would shoot him quickly and have done with it.’.

[@texasbighead2]

bruh you literally wrote a article

[@stavkous4963]

can you add some spacing

[@Hailsatan13]

Anyone know what this guy said?

[@Karll541]

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[@thanakritsuwan6219]

Death in custody is more danger more than death penalty. Death in custody prisoner will suffer death torture by guard. We should prevent death in custody more than abolish death penalty.

[@Freemelon07]

I reckon, if you take the emotions out of the debate, is it just revenge, and is revenge justice?

[@tartipouss]

Yep. Advocating for death penalize equate to advocating for your emotion to be the sole judge of justice. And nothing can ever go wrong by letting your emotion decide the fate of the lives of other without concern for the lives of said people... especially if you’re a victim of the crime committed (which isn’t the case for the vast majority of people).

[@DavidRJones82]

Death Penalty has- A Legal Framework: The death penalty is a formal judicial punishment for certain crimes, based on laws and legal proceedings. Purpose: serves as a deterrent, ensures public safety, and delivers justice for heinous crimes. Moral Justification: a necessary response to extreme offenses, upholding societal values and justice. Ethical Considerations: There are debates about the morality of taking a life, the potential for wrongful convictions, and the impact on society. Revenge Emotional Response: Revenge is a personal reaction to perceived injustice, driven by emotions like anger and grief. Lack of Structure: revenge is not governed by legal standards, often leading to cycles of violence. Moral Ambiguity: may provide a temporary sense of satisfaction, revenge raises ethical questions about its consequences and effectiveness. Cycle of Violence: can perpetuate harm and conflict, impacting individuals and communities long-term. Saying there is no difference is just silly.

[@petercdowney]

There are some counterpoints: - The US state with the highest murder rate is Louisiana - a death penalty state. - The US state with the highest prison population is Texas - a death penalty state. - The US state with the highest incarceration rate is Oklahoma - a death penalty state.

[@blove142]

Correlation is not causation. Florida does murder rate is close to half of what Illinois is, but Florida has the death penalty! Also, Mississippi, and Louisiana have the highest percentage black population, they also have the highest murder rates! The death penalty is not a deterrent in my opinion, but it is justice for the victims and the families

[@AbelDuka-it6mf]

can you write an arguments about death penalty the form of two ways (good or bad)?

[@petercederstrand2044]

In my country, the last execution was 103 years ago. Until a couple of years ago we had 1/3 of the US "murder rate". People in my country can´t buy guns as easy as in the US. That´s probably why.

[@AYVYN]

American Prisons are literally hell. I could understand the death penalty for places like Denmark, but equivalent retribution is the precursor of all Justice.

[@AYVYN]

American crime is tricky because the criminals get fame. Take away their name, show the pathetic lives of past criminals, and you will scare them more than threats of death.

[@gregjames9875]

When someone is found guilty of a crime and is sentenced to death I would like to see the following happen: The prisoner is placed in a prefab, 10' by 10' cell. The cell is placed on a truck and transported to a site where there is existing plumbing and electric ready to be connected. The prisoner is allowed one book. They eat two meals a day, in their cells. They are allowed a radio, but no tv. They do not have access to a library, a gym, or any kind of education. They are allowed no visitors. They do not send or receive mail. To the outside world they cease to exist. The guards do not speak to them. The next prisoner is brought to the same site and his or her cell is attached to any existing cells.