How to FFB.

[@skaterboss38]

the effort you put into all of these videos is much appreciated and does not go unnoticed - thank you

[@ricardonunez1495]

Man this was THE BEST explanation about this topic! thank you so much for taking the time to share with us!

[@vitorschwaab]

"Reality is not perfect, it's inevitable" 5:48 That's a fucking good quote for anyone trying to balance realism and entertainment in any game out there.

[@pureoldsql]

This is some fine technical but very understandable sim racing advice. It gives a lot of insight, thanks for the effort.

[@ArisDrives]

Very glad you find it helpful, thanks!

[@loverman76]

Thank you so much for your time and effort in all of these videos. this is by far the best customer support you can get. I love your detailed explanations and humor

[@Lagahan]

8:59 finally someone gives me a stonks slider, this is what my DD2 was missing!

[@ArisDrives]

They only go up... except when inflation hits... not a financial advisor I just like the stonk.

[@Lucky_Stickman]

After watching this video and doing the things you said for thrustmaster wheels etc , I have my ffb feeling real nice with damping and only a tiny amount of clipping at times . Great helpful video 👍👍👍

[@beadlehands]

Great video. I feel i should clarify for the Brits: "Learning the language" doesn't mean shouting in your own language louder.

[@RayLombardy]

Love the low-key philosophical lessons in this "Reality is not perfect...reality is inevitable!"

[@pandisee]

Super useful. "Make sure your configuration is correct" - most games... actually all games, they don't offer an explanation this in-depth and easy to understand regarding how to verify and what "correct" should look or feel like. You just did for ACC, so thank you. There's usually a default, which may be based on a G29, maybe on SC2 Ultimate, nobody knows. And there's a million sliders with maybe a short technical sentence for each if you're lucky, like in Forza. But it doesn't tell you what "correct" should look or feel like on gear/belt/DD wheels. So people end up with wild parameters sourced from their asses based on whatever their IRL 50km/h daily driver is, if they even have one.

[@R3.Robert]

Came here to adjust my sliders, got psychology lesson 10/10

[@bernie_d]

Using Logitech G920 on console..this was FANTASTIC. I appreciate your training. Laughed at myself that for 2 years I never had my wheel setup correctly!! 🙄. Off for 3 weeks of no changes......

[@SBJ696]

This video changed everything. FFB has never felt so amazing.

[@tobytoxd]

How to FFB 'POINT'! First i was wondering about the point in the title after FFB. But it's clear to me now: You really made a point and there can be no discussion afterwards! :D No joke, this is a very very useful video and i love your open minded approach on it. Thank you very much!

[@ampsh100]

section 5 set and forget was my favourite "drive the facking thing😂🤣" 59:30 .awesome tuturiol aris im so glad i found your channel👍

[@Rhyno25]

Thank you so much for the video. I just recently switched from console to PC for sim racing and setting up my G923 has been challenging. This video has changed everything. My gaming experience is now exceeding expectations. Again thank you sir.

[@dieseldave2273]

I wish I found this video way earlier. Very informative and useful. I've used someone elses settings since I started ACC. Following the setup method you laid out here, I ended up with wildly different values than I started with, and it feels better than it ever has. Plus since it isn't clipping anymore, my ffb doesn't fade after 5 laps. Great explanation of the how and why of the settings!

[@stevemiller9219]

Excellent vid. After years of messing with FFB settings, have finally found a great explaination 👍👍

[@paulallies]

Aris not only gives sim racing advice but life advice as well. Love this guy!

[@beasley_unborn6729]

Man your explanation is top tier, I feel like im at the mosque listening to a moulannah (priest) talk lol 💯

[@tboneisgaming]

Brilliant. Thank you for a fantastic guide. As a new sim racer this video is incredibly informative.

[@jacohop]

Thanks again!! Great to hear about the fact that you decided “to disappoint everyone” 😂 and let the physics acting on the wheel / suspension geometry be what we feel. It’s super informative (more so) now to know I’m not getting a game’s version of “there will be rear wheel slip so I will shake the steering to show… “ etc. that the forces are, maybe you call it a symptom, of the math. That is in a way letting me erase my expectations and start listening to what’s happening. I would lead with that in your marketing: something along the lines of “our ffb was not designed, it’s an emergent property of the math” mike drop

[@johncyberskip6498]

Excellent info Aris. Cuts right through the hype and mis-information out there about FFB generally, not just in ACC. 100% agree with your approach! Very much appreciated. Rock on! 🤘

[@luizfrota]

Thanks for the amazing explanation, I felt in a university class with the best teacher

[@robertosantoro9685]

One little remark about setting the wheel rotation. You have to set a rotation which is not less than that of the car you are using, otherwise even when it's the same in driver and in game, it could give incorrect rotation. This could be easily a problem in cars like the Porsche which has 800 degrees of steering lock. If you set 720 in driver and in game, you get incorrect wheel rotation. To be safe, just use 900 or more. But I thought it would be useful to those who are tempted to use lower values for some reason.

[@jerrywasaracecardriver8893]

ma per me che il valore di fabbrica è impostato su 365 (thrustmaster tx più tm open wheel) dovrei quindi settare per esempio se porsche 800 driver e 800 ingame, ferrari 480 driver e ingame e via dicendo? o tenere entrambe a 900 su qualunque auto?

[@Blerpa]

@@jerrywasaracecardriver8893 sei su PC? ACC riconosce in automatico le differenze fra i gradi di sterzo delle varie auto. Metti 900 nel pannello TM e 900 nel gioco e vai sereno, ci penserà ACC in automatico a cambiare da auto ad auto.

[@jerrywasaracecardriver8893]

@@Blerpa ho risolto 7 mesi fa

[@adrian745]

So simple. Let's focus on driving. Love it. Thank you for the effort with your videos. You are awesome.

[@gsam_dad5540]

Excellent walkthrough, any new car is a matter of getting to know it, there isn't a perfect solution that fits all.....though of course certain KZbinrs & self-acclaimed experts will peddle their opinion as fact, that's to be expected. Your level-headedness & logic is a breath of fresh air & this old sim racer is very grateful for the excellent explanation & advice :)

[@superjarri]

I hope AC2 has the infinte sliders approach, giving options to people is always good. If they want to stick to the default settings then good for them.

[@mustang_304]

Super Great, And this is where my personal statement of saying that all DDs are basically good and not falling into the argument that if Alpha, Fanatec, SIMUCub, azetek blah blah blah blah, the most important thing is the configuration, since each SIM processes different physics and each car has different physics. There are people who out of ignorance buy a-DD to Play F1 2022 2023 and it is actually an excess not used.

[@AudioJellyfish]

Thank you so much Aris! Based on your information, I've managed to dial in my wheel to what I consider to be pretty spot on. Seems to translate well from one car to the next also.

[@Pearson04]

Hi Aris,thank you for sharing your knowledge in an easy to understand way.Using your free time to inform the community is very generous of you and it's appreciated.Do you know if the 1.8 update will come to the old gen consoles at some point.Have a merry Christmas and a well deserved rest.

[@simonfreeman7277]

If I ever become an omnipotent overlord I’ll make it the law for sim racers to watch this video

[@ArisDrives]

hehehe far to kind :D

[@geko1881]

The best FFB guide ever made. Ty so much!

[@StevenYanni]

I was looking for a way to get proper detail from my SC 2 Pro. This is very helpful. Thank you a ton for this I always felt that I wasn’t feeling the car properly in ACC. Will work on that. Thanks again you guys are awesome

[@HiAleks]

WOW, excellent material, explanation, detalil so on.... Thank you, and thanks to my Simracer freind that recommends your video.

[@BMD8]

I used to love a particular feature of Project Cars 2 that gave you the option to change the flavour of FFB from normal to communicative (my personal preference) to aa third option i don't remember the name of, all 3 had marked differences in feel and genuinely helped customize feel for better driving for individuals, even if the game's ffb was a bit flawed. There were further customisation sliders too but i don't remember how important they were.

[@4huggies]

Thank you for the detailed presentation. Just ran into this video and helped out a ton

[@sirsiriussowhy]

Saw the stream , great stuff as always, thank you for sharing 🏁💪

[@ArisDrives]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@skinnyseal]

Thanks for sharing, this is just what I needed to know.

[@robertpurtak3993]

Awesome channel. Thank you so much!!!!

[@ArisDrives]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@FaiLoYut]

Excellent! Looking forward to putting this into action

[@mauriziobronzato6893]

Perfet and clear explanation. You should teach quantum physic...

[@PascalVos]

Aris AKA connoisseur of force feedback

[@Nicsos123]

I came for the settings and went with a master in ffb 😅

[@ArisDrives]

At your service :D

[@GabrielHaller]

Okay I intentionally miss the point of this video now. CSL DD 8NM, give me the settings and I'll be eternally happy. Thank you so much for this video.

[@tre1739]

What a Legend! I'm learning a lot with this videos, thank you!

[@Wolfox360]

Sorry to say , but the Perfect FFB does exist and is the one that does what a real car does. Perfect is even to much let's say CORRECT. This is how I look for the Correct FFB 1) The car has to stay straight, give a slight turn and the wheel will turn back straight and car will go straight, with no help from the driver. 2) Stop the car, turn completely the wheel to a lock, now slowly accelerating the wheel will start aligning, Stop the car and wheel will stop, final result should be POINT 1, car going straight with the driver not touching the wheel 3) Unstable the car just slightly (5-10°) angle with the Hand brake, the wheel has to counter steer just the correct to keet that lateral momentum and once the wheels get the grip, the final result is still POINT 1. This is what the GAME FIRST OF ALL has to give you, A Garantee that the front wheels are properly communicating with the Steering wheel, Should be a two ways Communication, not a one way with only the wheel getting Stiffer of lighter. Dumper should not be used, becasue if it tell a wheel to stop at 45°of rotation, it hast to pull/Push to that position and if it start oscillting is becasue there is a FFB logic flaw in the software. A lot of SIM Ignore the Centering torque, like in ACC we are driving GT3 cars with 12° Caster and having NO centering torque from the wheel, You can do this simple test: On the suspension settings, front wheels, TOE IN the Left wheel and TOE OUT the Right wheel. Now put the wheel straight and drive, you will notice the car drifting off, but if you leave the wheel it will still go in that direction. This is wrong!!!! If everything is correct the wheel will turn to the left enough to have the car going straight.

[@PJTierney]

Regarding clipping, if the game I’m playing doesn’t have FFB in the UI, how do I feel/tell if I am clipping?

[@sleepy.a3195]

Good question that, I’d like to know the answer as well.

[@SkateGeneva]

Nice Aris ! I would love it if you do another community race before Christmas

[@ArisDrives]

We're organizing ;)

[@quinocadenas]

Wonderful explanation

[@lonelyworld7543]

The Best Video ive every seen love it 👍

[@diegobalzarini1994]

sei un grande. it's the best video about ffb i watched. you make the point.... drive the f*****g thing 😂 bravo Aris

[@OldManOnTrak]

My Fanatec CSL DD (on Xbox) does that oscillation thing too. And it doesn't matter what the damper setting is, it never goes away

[@ArisDrives]

Unfortunately on Xbox I don't believe the damper is working (maybe on the new consoles?) but again not so sure. Maybe we should check on the discord server, see what happens.

[@SteveLukas]

Excellent video! Thank you.

[@sprwil]

Really great video with a lot of important information! Thank you!!!

[@madeyouleave949]

Thank you for your time and effort.

[@nicechasinchasegods7051]

Great page! Very informative, I subbed

[@pierrestone3217]

Awesome masterclass again!

[@TBolt1]

Segment # 2 is actually at 26:13

[@Toaster087]

Aris, amazing content! … but what about Road effects, are they really an unnecessary discration to the fbb feel?! I have a t300rs. Thank you! Keep up what ur doing. ❤

[@RoLexX57]

I for example (dd pro) have set my steering angle for the lambo at 620 ingame and 620 in the fanatec driver it matches exactly but is 620 to low ?

[@karelknightmare6712]

Set the same angle between ACC and your wheel base driver. The angle must be superior or equal to the real car steering angle. To match every cars of the game just put 900 on each and you’re good to go.

[@RoLexX57]

@@karelknightmare6712 thx dude !:)

[@francescobiasoli2163]

Always the best you are !!,

[@Lightwriter1]

Thank you thank you for your advise!

[@baudosgarage4761]

Great video, as usual…just a question, is a csw2.5 considered a consumer product (considering the recommended setup in the video)?

[@Daniele-md6sm]

Anche a me interesserebbe

[@Blerpa]

CSW 2.5 e TM TG-T e TG-T 2 can be put together in a high end consumer product range: so a bit lower than DD wheels. 100% force would be probably too much.

[@alexshahabi5635]

Great video! Just wandering on if you ever use the road effects slider and what feeling it affects in the FFB as in this video you have to set to 0%

[@bratosin1]

The road effects take away from the real ffb , and anyway the road effects are artificial in acc and very weak you cannot tell the differences between 10 and 100% , so better to have a clean ffb signal with less clipping

[@vonbarrel5023]

Set and it's AWESOME! 😘 Curious: Would Your knowledge about setups, work with rally cars?

[@dutchmania77]

Great video, it really helped me alot

[@davidkernohan4586]

Has someone sent this to Gamer Muscle yet? Great video Aris - Thanks for all your efforts. Merry Xmas 🎄

[@alegries_]

I have a small problem, maybe you guys can help me.. I have T300rs and I am playing AC1 (not ACC) and in driver i have dampers on 100% and overall power on 100% but in game cars still oscilate to much but there is no option to increase dampers in game. Does anyone know how should I fix this?

[@mikalarrington8112]

Oh I like him I like how u put it. Drive the damn thing lol.

[@morebrokethaneven4788]

8:38 I think is time to lower the stonks and increase Crypto because Astrology was updated with 1.8

[@mariopires5022]

Great. Thanks a lot.

[@ptgfern4588]

I am not going to look through every comment to see if this question has already been asked. If it has please say so and I will look. Should Steering Lock be adjusted per car based on said car's steering DOR? Thank you for the great video, very informative and helpful.

[@cured_bacon647]

On console yes for pc no. On pc set it to 900 and forget about it.

[@toutpt]

It still I have never driven gt3 cars. So I would love to have preset config for given wheelbase with some taste like realism oriented. For example I know the direction is supposed to become harder with speed. So knowing how much hard a wheel is in a real car is not easy. As usual thanks to share so much. I will be more capable to fix bad settings I have and be less afraid of what it means !

[@andreoliveira2169]

I play f1 playstation 5. For example, I can only change the settings within the game, right?

[@lickrish3930]

I think I spend more time playing with feedback settings than actually playing the game

[@HDRGamingHub]

I have a simucube 2 pro and the following question . Is it better to set the power of the motor at maximum and lower gain in game or higher gain in game and lower on the motor ?

[@mark_lhr3]

Great video. Sadly tyre wear is massively exaggerated on TS 300RS since 1.8. Ffb feel just wears off after 3-4 laps and becomes very light. Feels amazing at first then disappears. Clean racing. So annoying. Have tried everything and all settings and different cars and setups ! Seems some other thusmaster users experience same. So annoying. Ruins my enjoyment. Take a pit stop and change tyres and the weight and track friction feeling in ffb is back. For 2-3 laps. Then goes again. And no I don’t spin or drive aggressively. Always using car consistency and track control app top right of screen. I am 99% sure it’d a glitch in the sim relating to Thrustmasters.

[@ArisDrives]

That's a bit strange. I suppose this is on the console? I haven't heard anything strange about thrustmaster on PC and we don't do anything specific for different steering wheels on PC. Are you sure you're not overscrubbing your front tyres and make them grain? Let me know if this is on console or PC

[@Ryy86]

That’s happening to you as it’s overheating, turn the power down if u want to work around it, I used 70-75% gain and 70-80% dynamic damp 0% road effect, on my t300rs my ffb never dies after few laps etc..

[@karelknightmare6712]

Why ACC does not use max torque output instead of gain % It would be crystal clear. Then one could decide the range and the linearity to send to the wheel. 😅 GT cars have a close range of torque. But for Ac2 please, it would be great to have this. Also in the quest of objective FFB I do not understand why is dampening not set per car. I thought each GT3 model had their own dampening specs because of their different power steering systems. Is it not integrated from scratch? Your integration of the car geometry applies only a kind of coefficient ?

[@steam-SMOKEY]

I love you to do a Moza pithouse review, help us that is new to the sim racing world 🙏

[@toregilhalvorsen9270]

Thank you :)

[@dexterk1902]

Thank you

[@JpJ1979]

Thank you!

[@ArisDrives]

You're welcome!

[@artfull_dodger__]

I play on console so the thrustmaster control panel is only for pc players so if I change anything it won’t have any effect

[@quinocadenas]

By the way, when is Assetto Corsa 2 releasing? 😊

[@federicocerretani7001]

hi Aris, i have a thrustmaster t300 do u think it's better leave the overall strenght in the driver at 75% and adjust the gain in the game, or set 100% in the driver and lower the gain? thx

[@robertosantoro9685]

Federico, I have heard somewhere that going over 75 in Thrustmaster driver makes the FFB not linear. This is from my memories when I used to have a T300.

[@steam-SMOKEY]

May i ask, whats with this natural inertia? It worth playing with?

[@ruggerodandria7385]

Ciao Aris questo lo farai anche in italiano? Grazie

[@gerbyblu23]

speriamo!

[@bmwM3M5M6]

It’s alllll personal !

[@czabob2500]

Awesome stuff !! :)

[@ArisDrives]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@nascar954]

Damn awesome!!!!!!

[@AtomicAndi]

1:02:47 you almost accidentally mentioned something about the "Dynamic Damping" I still don't know what it's supposed to do, and honestly I feel no difference - even when switching between 0% to 200%. Might be some astrology there ;-) (I'm a Sagittarius and on CSL Elite)

[@MrBazz420]

Ah its Cause you are Sagittariusm you have to put the stonk slider at 2.5% and the clickbait slider at 55.2% after that all you need to do is go to the store and buy a jug of milk, leave it on the counter for 3 weeks and 3 hours, then you poor that in the FFB milk tank ( thats located in you steering wheel ) then you can crank the Dynamic damping slider to 200% and you'll be damping dynamically like a fucking pro racer.

[@AtomicAndi]

@@MrBazz420 Well done. Don't drink and drive, rather text nonsense

[@Mats900ie]

I still don't understand how to set up damping on the Porsche. What should one be aiming for when setting this up on a rear engine car? Should it have the same effect as a mid or front engine car? Or does it behave completely different? I understand they'd want to rotate a lot since the weight distribution is different. It's just that I'm unsure what it should feel like.

[@ericbourduas8141]

I main the Porsche and also tried setting the damper using that car. Seems like a lost cause, as even with all damper settings maxed out it would still oscillate. Probably best to use the Ferrari like Aris did and set it to a good value for you there, and trust that the same value is good for the Porsche. If it still oscillates with that damper setting, it should then be because that's just how the car is, and not because your damper is set wrong.

[@Mats900ie]

@@ericbourduas8141 What you said are exactly my thoughts, also. I wish someone could just properly explain the desired effect for the Porsche and how it should handle. I've stuck to around 30-40% damper now, even though for the Ferrari, or any 'normal weight distribution' car, I need only 10% or even less.

[@GreekSIMRACING]

Γεια σου Άρη,my Moza r9 limited by thermal losing FFB power with damping, friction settings after 20 mins.Tried to cool the device with fan.I can't set my device with such inconsistency in functioning.I know its summer with high temp room 31c but that is not excuse when you pay a product to produce 9kN only for few minutes

[@kwekofmeister]

Why is it important to have game wheel perfectly align with real life? I saw a lot of posts recommending setting steering angle matching real car. For me personally, having 1080 rotation makes steering car a big challenge because i have to steer much more and harder to make turns.

[@bratosin1]

Because you want to feel the real car and how it's actually steer , that s why it's crucial to have the perfect matching rotation , for example my real bmw car has 900 degree, if I switch in a game the steering rotation to 490 the car will feel very strange to me

[@kwekofmeister]

@@bratosin1 exactly, gt3 have 300-500 degree, and not 900 or 1080, setting different from 1080 wheel rotation just changes steering ratio, and i dont get whole matching steering wheel's movement thing. Why just not to set same angle as car has irl

[@rakoczyn]

@@kwekofmeister the game does this automatically (at least on PC). But you need to set it at 900 or above in drivers and game settings to match rotation.

[@marcinkubus6426]

a BIG thank You for this explanation. Personally I like to concept of locked down FFB :), everything nowadays is under lockdown so who cares about one more :)

[@artfull_dodger__]

On console we only have dynamic damping so should I just leave that at 100

[@ArisDrives]

Yeah hopefully in a future update we can enable damping, although it depends on the fixed drivers of each wheel for the console.

[@testdirver]

short version of this please

[@bratosin1]

Thrustmaster Ts Xw p310 Xbox one ,here the settings for Acc : 1.gain 80% ( only little little clipping in some heavy downforce like rau rouge,90% of the time zero clipping) 2. Minimum force 7% 3. Road effects 0% All the rest of the settings leave it standard

[@ptgfern4588]

I have exact same wheel also on Xbox one. I too have 80% gain I would have to look what the rest is set at. Do you adjust Steering Lock based on any one car's DOR or leave it set to 900° all the time?

[@ptgfern4588]

Also is your wheel dor set on to 900 or 1080 in your PC firmware settings?

[@bratosin1]

@@ptgfern4588 on xbox you must put every time the exact rotation for every single car ! For Ferrari 490 , McLaren 490 , porche 810 , bmw gt3 580 , Mercedes 660 , Nissan 650 , I don't remember all right now Only with pc you must leave 900 because the pc match the rotation automatically On the settings of the wheel/ controll panel , you must put 1080

[@bratosin1]

@@ptgfern4588 on gain settings you can go up to 90% to feel better the car , you will have just a little bit clipping some times in high speed corners if you don't mind , like aris said in this video it's up to you if you want more information on all the track or more information in the high speed corners /downforces , after hours of testing I believe it s more important to feel information all the time for me so I switch to 90% gain because I don't really see the differences in the corners with clipping or without

[@ptgfern4588]

@@bratosin1 okay, that's cool because that's what I have been doing. Thank you

[@hayeduce]

12:10 to 16:36. Thats your perfect FFB right there. The objective truth. Real steering forces and ONLY those. No G force SoP bulls**t. If u want those get a motion rig, pushing them to your wheel will only cause confusion.

[@vb_matic4166]

For Fanatec, is the centering Spring: SPR? Does the setting need to be 0 then ?

[@ArisDrives]

Use SPR to 100%, it's not automatic centering.

[@Fummi]

Nope, its DRI (drift mode)

[@vb_matic4166]

Thanks guys.

[@SaxmanUSMC]

@@Fummi DRI is a setting on Fanatec's belt wheels that add a constant force of weight on the wheel or lessen the force to let the wheel rotate faster. It is not an auto-centering setting. Far as I am aware no Fanatec wheelbase has an auto-center setting.