Arma 3 or Arma Reforger?

[@michaelknight_]

It shows the strength of Arma 3 that it is still very relevant 10 years later

[@Rectorol]

The fact the Game Engine is effectively from the late 90s early 00s as well is also a statement to BIS development. One of the last few developers still actively embracing mods in a positive light for the most part.

[@Adam-kk7nw]

​@@Rectorol I heard rumor arma 4 will have ray tracing

[@Rectorol]

@@Adam-kk7nw Only if the dev's don't get arrested again.

[@Adam-kk7nw]

@@Rectorol wait what happened to dev get arresting

[@Rectorol]

@Adam-kk7nw Simplified: A few of the BIS devs during Arma 3 were arrested in Greece for taking pictures of military bases in secure areas. They were released.

[@aztech865]

Thanks for the video long time arma 3 player just bought Reforger as i noticed a huge drop in attendance public servers so i bought it to see maybe everybody is hanging out in Reforge. But the years gone by and i am older, harder to jump onto new platforms I move like a snail. But still have a good shot haha

[@Rectorol]

Reforger isn't the same crowd as Arma 3 by a long shot but it's not high speed go time like other games (HLL/Squad etc).

[@justinhicks7814]

The problem with arma 3 is that I can never find lobbies. Arma reforger has given me tons of multiplayer gameplay in the span of like three days lol.

[@Rectorol]

Yeah, Arma 3 is unfortunately reduced to Private Groups outside of a select few servers and modes (KOTH/Altis Life). Makes it tricky to audit and find the right fit.

[@glennpeterson1357]

Look for Warlords game mode on Arma 3. Really fun. It’s similar in PVP concept to Conflict on Reforger.

[@susangoaway]

@@Rectorol So it returned to its alpha state (replacing koth with battle royale)

[@NCrdwlf]

2 was the best for many reasons. I hope they rework it . With modern AI and mechanics

[@Rectorol]

OFP Red Hammer was one of my favorite single-player campaigns in any game I've ever played until Operation Arrowhead came out. A lot of Arma got lost in the jump to Arma 3, but Zeus will forever be my favorite addition to the series.

[@NCrdwlf]

@@Rectorol the CTI and civil war play modes in 2 were so awesome. Where everyone votes a commander and you go to the end . Was so much fun .

[@Rectorol]

@@NCrdwlf The Commander part of MFCTI is very much missing from Arma Reforger's Conflict mode (CTI without a Commander or good AI) It's a bunch of chickens running around clueless with push logistics.

[@Sonica212]

Arma 3 with all the immersion mods over reforger all day! The stealth movement animations in reforger I just can't get over. It looks so goofy. It blows my mind that I am still playing a game thats over a decade old.

[@Rectorol]

I agree Arma 3 is currently way more immersive and more scenario-friendly. If I'm doing PvE-style missions, I'm booting up Arma 3 still. Reforger's Conflict is insanely better than King of the Hill for PvP though.

[@American_Psycho707]

​@@Rectorol Back When i ran an antistasi server i had all those L.A.M.B'S mods on that shit was 🔥 . it almost puts ai in other games to shame . idk if you played tarkov but the ai in tarkov knows when you are looking at it so alot of the times the ai will move when you are looking at them . i think it kinda sucks but its necessary to make the ai less of like a fish in a barrel , i kinda want a mod like that for arma 3 when i think back alot of the times the bots would just be stationary . also its been along time since i played A3 but i also want a mod where if you shoot at a bot and miss but hit close by it scares the ai and they try and break LOS from you(might already be a thing) .

[@Rectorol]

@Redrum-707 I've escaped a couple times, I'm very familiar. I never found a good Antistasi server that I committed to. I don't think we ever gave LAMBS a run for it's money, I might check it out the next time I run Arma 3 missions, is it difficult to configure?

[@American_Psycho707]

​@@Rectorolby defualt it should be good but i think you can configure it in the addons menu

[@truthadjustr]

Tell me when Reforger's scenario editor is as easy and comfortable to use like in Arma3, then I'll do the switch. Otherwise, no.

[@Rectorol]

Reforger's dogpoop for scenarios in PvE right now, PvP only imo. Zeus is better in Reforger from a UI perspective but not a functional or tool perspective.

[@DubbznWubbz99]

Loved the console vs pc argument in this 😭😭😭 this reminded me to get back into arma 3 btw. Good video!

[@OMGaNARWHALE]

Use the svd with armor piercing rounds and the arco, 1 shots from basically any distance

[@Rectorol]

The SVT in the Vietnam mod does not unfortunately

[@LordOfTheDabz]

I come from Warzone lol, been enjoying operation harsh doorstop and hell let loose was definitely not my play style, im more of a rush player. What do you think I should buy been thinking about squad or arma( I want realistic graphics)

[@Rectorol]

Squad and Hell Let Loose play similar to each other, especially since Squad's recent infantry overall. Arma 3 with mods can be very pretty, but most PvP servers, you'll be in the middle of the road with graphics. Reforger isn't stable yet but is pretty out the gate and run n gun tactics can be implemented, but get punished hard for mistakes.

[@LordOfTheDabz]

@@Rectorol does squad have pvp servers or modes? I like the tactical game style but also just like being kill hungry lol

[@Rectorol]

@@LordOfTheDabz Squad is only PvP, there's different modes like battlefield Invasion/Conquest but no Rush or FFA, there's some cool Star Wars and Zombie mods as well. You can server hop for games in "seed mode" in Squad though where it's condensed and quick PvP for practice and there are custom servers, but kill runs are hard to impossible in Squad with the overhaul especially Solo, Sniping is very satisfying but time intensive. You honestly might want to look at Enlisted, closer to Warzone in movement but less pretty. WW2 Free to play but does have some P2W aspects, Mainly 10v10 where when you die you swap into an AI in your squad so it feels large scale and the bots add a cool background to PvP inside of, you can in theory kill the same player 8 times in a matter of 10 seconds that are direct controlling their bots, very satisfying.

[@LordOfTheDabz]

@@Rectorol I appreciate you my guy seriously. This the info I been looking for.

[@martinmateev7517]

Arma 3: average 20 FPS Arma reforger: average 35-55 FPS

[@kg30004]

I’m sold

[@Rectorol]

Welcome to Arma

[@robert558]

Idk if I'm stupid, but I could not for the life of me find a way to edit my loadout of the stuff I wanted with the mods I downloaded... in Arma Reforger, I was expecting like an arsenal like Arma 3, but idk. Again not sure if I'm small brain but Idk the way to download mods also put me off (I understand it's to be user friendly) but still nothing beats Arma 3 for me...when it comes to realistic combat scenarios like co op missions n stuff.

[@Rectorol]

The Inventory Management in Reforger is worse than Arma 3's Arsenal but it's on par with Arma 2 in my opinion. 100% agree on Arma 3, if I'm looking for that co-op or scenario focus I'm not booting up Reforger for a reason. It's a PvP game at heart right now.

[@andrewroe5367]

Arma 3 was a step backwards in the series compared to Arma 2. AI are a perfect example of this when you compare 2 and 3. 2, when modded properly with TPWCAS + ASR, offers the most realistic AI possible in the series (cover, concealment, pacing, grouping, etc). Even AI modders for 3 recognize this basic fact. And, when you couple this with Arma 3 being heavily coop, it shows what an underwhelming title it really is. Reforger possesses many similar mechanics and graphics compared to VBS4 (which gives me hope).

[@Rectorol]

I disagree that Arma 3 was a step backwards that being said, the engine with modders in Arma 2 was already pretty close to it's limits with what AI could do. Arma 2 was lighter on the processor in general and allowed most servers to just process AI better, but with Headless Client in Arma 3 with ACE's AI overhaul I think they're in a much better spot than Arma 2 ever was but that could just be faulty memory of mine, I messed with AI in Arma 3 more than I ever did in Arma 2. Arma 3 vanilla equipment and story was dogcrap verses Arma 2 for sure though, and modes like Domination and CTI got sadly lost in the shuffle between games replaced with Alits Life and KOTH. I would have like to have just seen Arma 2 refurbished while they worked on the new Enfusion engine. Arma 3's additions of Zeus, FFV, and Mod Launcher/Workshop, was a great step forward though and as much fun as MCC was, allowed for more immersive customized and dynamic missions and how I personally enjoying Arma the most. I definitely wouldn't be complaining if it had been an overhaul DLC/Expansion for Arma 2 instead of a standalone game though, it always has felt more like an Arma 2.5. You gave me a brief trip down memory lane, and I thank you for that, when I helped stand up an Arma 3 group when the game launched I had series of long discussions with people with the topic of "How Arma 2 was Better than Arma 3 and we should go back."

[@NoxaOnline]

hey bro ive never played arma games or any mil sims like this which should i get

[@Rectorol]

For a new milsim player, depending on your vibe: Arcade PvP: Enlisted (WW2) or Insurgency Sandstorm (Modern) Serious PvP Style: Hell Let Loose (WW2) or Squad (Modern) Non-Serious PvP: Arma Reforger or Battlebit Remastered (looks dumb, gunplay is top-tier) Solo/Co-op PvE: Ready or Not (one of the best modern games to learn tactical basics) Roleplay Milsim: Arma 3 for PvE, Arma Reforger for PvP Squad and Hell Let Loose will teach you about radio communication and complacency Ready or Not can teach you close-quarters etiquette (pieing doors, lanes of fire) Enlisted/Insurgency/Battlebit are high octane, so you'll get a lot of trigger time Arma 3 and Arma Reforger are sandboxed and very group-dependent; many Arma 3 groups have a form of basic training. It can be a pain to find a good group for Arma 3 if you go that route, but I know a few decent ones if you want recommendations.

[@angrywaffle427]

I wish reforger was on the PS5 cause i don't have a pc, the game looks really fun

[@MrLegaCY.]

Good Video!! Keep it up! 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘 Let the channel flow!.. Stay wild!

[@Rectorol]

I only stay wild on days that end in y.

[@JASHVEER22]

Do i have to buy arma 3 or i can get arma 3 reforger directly?

[@Rectorol]

They are entirely separate games and don't require each other in any way.

[@JASHVEER22]

@@Rectorol thank you👍

[@bre1t68]

I just had a game in reforger yesterday being played for 26 hours

[@Rectorol]

Official? Modded servers usually crap the bed after hour 10 in my experience, haven't had one in a while though last past 6.

[@bre1t68]

@@Rectorol Yeah it was modded, one of the wcs servers if i remember right. but other than that i also have the same expeirence as you

[@vvstwo]

Personally I couldn't stand the AI in Arma 3 in Arma 2 I'd spend hours in the scenario editor setting up battles I can't say exactly why but the AI in A2 was way more satisfying to fight against then in A3. I think the devs probably felt the same way since I notice a major step backward in Reforger almost like they brought back the A2 AI and started there, it's worse AI technically but gameplay wise they are more fun to fight against.

[@Rectorol]

Launch Arma 3 AI was worse than A2 at peak performance As much as I miss some awesome things from Arma 2 (domination AI was so fun to fight), the increased control for dynamic on the fly missions was way better in Arma 3. I think a large chunk of it was the engine's limitations. When we ran Headless Client with some AI improvement mods they were downright insane to fight against plus we were constantly managing it with Zeus.

[@wadestun9268]

Try using, Dco Soldier fsm, lambs, cf_bai and hal nr6. Those all together make the ai in arma 3 pretty good

[@AbdoZaInsert]

Honestly the Enfusion engine seems like a really good base for Arma 4 until now... How's the performance tho compared to Arma's 3 Old Engine ?

[@Rectorol]

Tl;dr: Performance for Players is generally good; servers eat the poop sandwich on this one. | From my side, it depends on what you're trying to do with the engine. For my tests, I like to do unit taxing, pushing the server with AI fights and actions before the server crashes or the AI/Interface stops responding; if the server crashes, we optimize and test again. As far as Reforger Vanilla taxes out at about 300 to 400 AI (not including players), I could get about 1000+ on my Server running HC before we had issues server side in Arma 3, but Vanilla craps out a lot sooner. Realistically, we could have about 200 AI interacting with our players in Arma 3 before older computers had FPS concerns, even though the server was fine. Reforger runs better for the player side, but less can be placed at once from my limited testing before the AI, and the server stop responding correctly, which happens gradually, unlike Arma 3, where everything breaks at once. There are clear warning signs in-game for Players/Zeus/Admins to back down anything they can on the server, do a cleanup, etc. Sorry for the novel; it's not a question I really gave thought to provide more brevity on.

[@AbdoZaInsert]

@@Rectorol I see, Thanks for sharing your knowledge !

[@BraydenFeyjes]

If u just want to jump in and jump out Arma Reforger all the way

[@Rectorol]

100%

[@al_andaluss8161]

Reforger is just a "Demo" and for People to get to know the MOD system for the upcoming Arma 4 which will play with the same engine

[@Rectorol]

100%, doesn't mean we can't have fun in it on the way.

[@genous.2895]

is this game easier to run?

[@Rectorol]

If you mean on your PC load, at the High-End Performance, Reforger runs better than Arma 3 w/ Graphic Mod Overhauls in my experience, but Rerforger is still unstable on certain PC and Server builds. Arma 3 can run on dogcrap computers on the low end, while Reforger requires a more modern PC build to perform at base level. However, Reforger can run on Xbox Series S and X. If you mean running Dynamic Missions as a Game Master/Zeus/Mission Designer, I think it has a long way to go to be as feature-complete as Arma 3 Zeus/Eden, especially with mods like Achilles/Ares/MCC/Ace/etc.

[@luigisaguier8336]

A3 all the way. All the features that Reforger has you can do with A3 workshop. Reforger also requires a far stronger GPU which is the most expensive PC component. Lots more gamers have strong CPUs which favor Arma 3 rather than a top notch GPU and so Reforger really suffers. For the little amount of assets and map sizes that Reforger has it should run a lot faster. If it ever gets close to A3 amount of content and assets you will be running at 20 FPs

[@Rectorol]

My only problem with this argument is it's the same one I heard when Arma 3 first came out as well (arma 2 could do everything 3 could with mods). I do agree Arma 3 is more optimized for AI and large assets, and for the unique PvE experience there is almost no comparission out there. Reforger is getting more optimized every patch, but it almost completely dependent upon PvP modes and playstyles currently.

[@luigisaguier8336]

Completely agree with you! I am sure Reforger and specially Arma 4 will eventually surpass all previous titles. It is just that we are a couple years away from that still@@Rectorol

[@cammosesSH]

I agree but also want to add the rapid rate Reforger has been improved upon. I got it around launch and it was virtually unplayable due to server/game crashes, low FPS and bugs- a year later and it actually runs quite smooth even in 64vs64 player servers. For me its getting hard to go back to A3 just due to how outdated the graphics, mechanics and overall interfaces are

[@glennpeterson1357]

@@cammosesSHSame. 100% agree. I had 3000+ hours on A3, but have not really been back since AR came out. It’s so intuitive and immersive. But I prefer PVP, so that makes a difference

[@BaldestChimpanzee]

Everyone knows board games beat console and pc easy.

[@Rectorol]

The true rats camped Australia in Risk and always spied first for a better Stratego, it was a true roll of the dice to see how fast you could progress in Life in board games, at least in my opinion I was a bit busy trying solve the mystery and find a Clue.

[@guerilla9one]

IF BOHEMIA WOULD STOP BEING IGNORANT AND ADD A CONTROLLER LAYOUT (EVEN IF ITS THE REFORGER LAYOUT) INTO ARMA 3 THEN ITD BE SO MUCH EASIER TO PLAY OVERALL, I REALLY WANT TO PLAY ARMA 3 I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE IT USED TO HAVE A BETTER CONTROLLER SUPPORT (3RD PARTY) METHODS BUT NOW CREATED PRESETS RARELY WORK FOR SUITABKE AMOUNT IF TIME AND IT SICKENS ME NOT EVERYONE CAN COMPREHEND KEYBOARD AND MOUSE IF I COULD THEN I WOULD BUT ITS ALSO ABOUT OTHERS THAT PREFER CONTROLLER AS WELL

[@Rectorol]

IIRC: If you go into Big Picture Mode in Steam and Manage Games and then into Arma 3, you should be able to configure your controller there. I haven't played on a PC with a controller in a long time, so I'm not sure if they've moved it around at all.

[@UsernetOhio]

What game is more pve

[@Rectorol]

@UsernetOhio Arma 3 has more PvE with a lot more content, but you pretty much need to find a group. Reforger's PvE is getting there and is easy to drop in, but it's barebones.

[@obi-wankenobi6124]

3:49 🤣

[@praetoriancorps]

4:20 alright al console bluror and pc opfor and see who wins.

[@Rectorol]

The console boys are usually drunk and playing on speakers and more worried about using slurs than winning, Reforger's fun times.

[@ST4X-0N-ST4X]

The PC player talking about xbox bringing the graphics down is rich 😂 like arma ever had graphic quality to begin with 🤣😭