Armed Woman Kills Motorist During 'Citizen's Arrest' After Collision | Hannah Payne Case Analysis

[@Stetsonhatman]

The saddest part is that this was essentially a fender-bender which could have been addressed by insurance. Kenneth did not need to die for this.

[@wtfwtf89]

He didn't have to assault her and try to wrestle away a legally owned gun while committing a drunken hit and run.

[@lorib604]

@@wtfwtf89 could have been strung out on meth. Needle paraphernalia was all in the truck. They didn’t test for methamphetamines in the toxicology they did days after. Supposedly he was negative for alcohol, which not sure how accurate that could be by then. Wife said he was having a diabetic episode, but no history of diabetes.

[@melistasy]

​@@lorib604oh stop reaching. He had needles in his car because he administers insulin to himself. His toxicology/drug tests were negative, including methamphetamine, and he had no alcohol in his system, but you've convinced yourself that he's an alcoholic/druggie. Just can't win with you people. Your girl, Hannah, is right where she belongs for taking the law into her own hands and killing an innocent man.

[@YTStoleMyUsername]

​@@wtfwtf89"The state, on the other hand, proved during trial, relying on witness testimony and recordings, that Payne actually cut Herring off with her car, then jumped out and “very aggressively” ran up to Herring’s car, cursed at him, immediately started punching the confused man through his window, took out her gun, threatened to shoot him twice, and “immediately” shot him" He was also not drunk. Why do you jump to conclusions and opinions before doing any research or critical thinking? I would guess why but I try to keep from being judgemental myself. Maybe try working on that.

[@mine332way069]

​@wtfwhpitf89 you sound crazy. Her having the gun was the issue

[@CP-pe9ul]

Like the man said " you don't get to start it then claim self defense ".

[@GH-oi2jf]

I think you give too much support to Payne’s argument by saying that Mr. Herring “attacked” her. He was in his vehicle and she intruded in his space and assaulted him. It was aggravated assault because she was threatening serious bodily harm or death and produced a deadly weapon. Anything that Mr. Herring did under those circumstances can only be fairly described as defending himself, not attacking Payne. I don’t give any credibility to Payne’s version of events. The jurors didn’t either.

[@hatschibumdatschi4595]

Mr. Grande says that Herring started physical resisting because he didn´t want to be murdered. Or do you mean an other part of the video?

[@dianemorton2222]

I heard her testimony. He bruised her neck. There was a fight before he was shot. This was a tragic case for all involved.

[@dianemorton2222]

This case is so tragic. I heard her testimony. I think Hannah should not have been involved in this. Very sad.

[@MsAchampion]

​@@dianemorton2222Hannah should have minded her own business 🙄! People need to understand that you do not run things! It's not your job, mind the business that pays you. The correctional Officer even Told her Not to! Not to pursue this man, but she decided that she'd go ahead and do it anyway. 😔

[@brendakabanda2181]

​@dianemorton2222 You mean when she attacked him in his car and he had to demand himself? That was the only fight.

[@HeeBeeGB]

Some people feel that holding a gun makes them very brave and important.

[@poindextertunes]

I’d say most open carry states are like this

[@mom2babygkaterad946]

She surely did! Vigilante Hannah 🦹🏻‍♀️……

[@Juke582]

Power and control issue here! Sicko!

[@jefferyjacobson9529]

Republicans?

[@Rob-iy2rt]

Citizens have a right to make arrests. This guy ran from an accident and was a threat to the community. She should be innocent.

[@notapottopissin7493]

I honestly think more emphasis should have been placed on the fact that Kenneth must have been afraid for his life and was DEFENDING himself and not "attacking" Hanna. I find it hard to believe that anyone would "not, NOT" defend themselves after a stranger cornered them with their vehicle, ran up to their vehicle WITH A GUN (because he didn't run to her vehicle and grab the gun) screaming and swearing at them, reaching into their car and punching them(witness statements, video footage). I cannot be 100% sure but I do believe that the average citizen would have fought back... He did not "attack" her.

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

The poor man. He must have been terrified.

[@yolandawilson9852]

And to top it all off, he was trying to save his life because he was having a diabetic episode. Poor man, lost his life while trying to save it.

[@notapottopissin7493]

@yolandawilson9852 Right, it's truly heartbreaking. She had no right to pursue him and no right to take his life, which is why she's behind bars.

[@Juke582]

That was stated at closing

[@adriel7229]

100%!! There was a crazy, aggressive woman assaulting him in his driver's seat pointing a gun in his face. He had every right to try to disarm her.

[@mayav927]

Sadly diabetic incidents can cause people to act drunk. Please remember this when interacting with someone you don’t know, especially if you can’t smell alcohol on them

[@lisajean228]

I, for one, wouldn’t get close enough to smell alcohol. That’s a job for a qualified professional!

[@teeahtate]

I learned this information from this experience. Be careful how you deal with people whom you do not know.

[@sherryjoiner396]

Many times a person with a diabetic emergency will smell like alcohol due to ketosis. She should have let a qualified person determine if he was drunk.

[@MissyTC-86]

I think a lot of people have learned this fact because of this trial

[@Hatbox948]

As a diabetic I can say this is true. You can become very disoriented too.

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

These 'citizen's arrest' types are mental, and having a gun seems only to make their grasp on reality all the more tenuous.

[@dakalodk]

They are always white

[@annabasnatural]

@@dakalodk more accurately…they’re always American

[@russell-di8js]

I wonder how many african american's she actually knows personally? it might have nothing to do with it but we all thinking it!

[@ns4725]

Unfortunately liberals have destroyed the rule of law. They refuse to do their job because of cries of racism.

[@Al-Rudigor]

​@@annabasnaturalhow many black people play vigilante?

[@MrStringybark]

Apparently, she only had the gun for a couple of weeks. So it appears that she was a self-righteous individual who obviously felt that it was time she owned a gun to improve her chances of winning an argument about what's "right or wrong" with anybody.

[@Emolga6274]

😂

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

She was probably one of those "when am I gonna get to use this damn thing" types.

[@Juke582]

She actually got the gun at the behest of her mother to protect her at work handling money alone! Her thirst for power and control was the mental block here!

[@MrStringybark]

@@Juke582 Thanks for the interesting info.

[@SocratesTheWiseOne-tr3uf]

@@Juke582 of course they are gonna say that now

[@Gallop4Me]

Having a CWP does not give you the authority to act like a law enforcement officer. A CWP comes with a LOT of responsibility and is not to be carried lightly. She was wrong from the beginning.

[@jimcronin2043]

I agree and would add that if a person obtains a permit and related weapon they take on the responsibility to learn, understand and retain the legal permissions and prohibitions associated with carrying. It is clear that she did not do this. Additionally, although not stated, I am thinking that there is a good possibility that there was a racial element involved in Hannah's decision to engage with the victim. That's speculation, I know, but there is an elephant in the room.

[@JO-lx9bx]

In texas anybody can carry with 0 permits

[@Gallop4Me]

@@JO-lx9bx Well, we all can't live in Texas. 🤨

[@mypov8028]

Avoid putting yourself in a dangerous situation.

[@Rob-iy2rt]

Actually anyone can make a citizens arrest.

[@Ad-Lo]

I think you portrayed Hannah more fairly than she deserves, Dr Grande. Listening to the 911 calls and the way she barked orders at the operator as well as how she responded once he had been shot, she was cocky, arrogant and self-important. She did not chase Kenneth because she felt she was permitted to by the corrections officer, she was going to complete her grandiose desire to be a heroine no matter who was around and counselled her. Hannah Payne truly believed she was justified in her pursuit and then screaming those expletives at an evidently terrified, elderly and disoriented innocent man who may have been having a diabetic episode. Her disdain for him was palpable on the calls. It was chilling!

[@notapottopissin7493]

I agree. she was definitely portrayed more fairly than she deserved. I'm hoping that this was not intentional by Dr. Grande and that he just didn't research this as much as he should have.

[@nix_myrnie_cello]

Thank you! I disagree with Dr. Grande on this one.

[@2ndround415]

Same.

[@ytviceman7495]

Of course, this guy is Todd There is no RACISM Grande 🤌🏾✨️🖤

[@paigeanguish6216]

did u watch the whole video? he says all of that himself in his opinion.

[@breathnstop]

Her defense was bull. If she "respected authority" why wouldn't she "respect" the 911 operator?

[@mamacito1795]

And driving recklessly to....stop someone from driving recklessly??? Hannah won't be the brightest bulb in solitary

[@jonnysalami692]

911 operators have zero authority.

[@hennesseyme9112]

Because 911 operators are not cops and she felt she knew everything. When she said I am not, not going to follow him, she ruined her life for good.

[@geraldhaynes2989]

Exactly

[@annabasnatural]

Oh she didn’t mean that kind of authority 😂

[@MindKontrolleProject]

Immature and irresponsible gun owner. A firearm presents lethal force. What the hell was she thinking.

[@nancyenkelmann4552]

Yeah, another responsible gun owner in Murica!

[@sarahg2653]

@@nancyenkelmann4552 Let's be clear, though. _Legal_ gun owners, statistically, commit few crimes. They tend to be law-abiding.

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

@@sarahg2653 I am glad you mentioned that fact. If this woman was carrying legally when she shot and killed her victim, she is an anomaly (i.e., statistical outlier).

[@rumchata6569]

That’s what happens with all women and guns. They have to use lethal force because they can’t physically defend themselves in any other instance

[@MarceloVolcato]

She was not not thinking nothing.

[@jenh9252]

Did you watch the trial?? She was aggressive and was not threatened by the man she killed. Right verdict, right sentence!

[@foulmouthjapanese6316]

Didn't think he did watch the trial

[@deshon3523]

Its so amazing how so many people throw their lives away for acting so impulsively.

[@Oudeis000]

It is sobering to consider when so many years of outcome can be determined by just a few seconds of an event or a decision.

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

The gun in this situation made everything worse. Guns are useful tools for hunting and protection, but they also unfortunately give people the confidence to do dumb things. If she did not have the gun, I seriously doubt she would have felt brave enough to ignore dispatch, block the person in, and then approach him. She also wouldn't be headed to prison right now.

[@jaymike3302]

Guns are the only thing that prevent us from being slaves or under Nazi control.

[@carewser]

Three cheers for the Second Amendment!

[@Zia01023]

They should put the gun in prison for life then.

[@BHarris25]

Yeah, that is all her fault not the guns.

[@lorib604]

Yeah, and because the gun was introduced and he got ahold of it, it was kind of her or him at that point.

[@Encourager-Purpose-Destiny]

This woman showed no remorse for killing this man. She needs to go to prison.

[@AFBudgets]

A narcissistic phycopath

[@BrianCarney-wg7yo]

...it is almost like this Lady just doesn't get it...

[@KimontheWeb]

And is.

[@lizard944]

The man showed no remorse for the safety of others or responsibility of dealing with the accident that he caused.

[@Encourager-Purpose-Destiny]

@@lizard944 Mr. Kenneth Herring was having a diabetic dilemma/ medical emergency. His insulin levels were very low, and that made him confused and discombobulated. He waited for about 20 min. after the accident and then drove off. His wife says he was possibly going to the hospital. Hannah decided that this man was drunk, without any evidence and chased him down and killed him. My heart and prayers go out to Mr. Herring's family and all those who loved and cared about him. And Hannah was driving recklessly following Mr. Herring. And Hannah showed that she didn't value the safety of others by the way she was driving, and she too caused an accident with Mr. Kenneth Herring.

[@MEL2theJ]

"Hannah's driving and her use of grammar shared the same recklessness." --Dr. Grande

[@calimoss]

There were multiple witnesses that stated the victim did not grab her gun and that Hannah was punching the victim through his window. I am disappointed you did not include this in your analysis. Your analysis only includes Hannah's side of the situation.

[@mine332way069]

Agreed

[@duanejackson6718]

This isn't the first time I've noticed that, the doctors thorough investigation often leaves out some of the most important details.

[@Crystal-nm9tb]

​@@duanejackson6718 True!!

[@AthosRac]

It is implicit that she was lying when Dr. add she said to 911 that he shoot her gun. 05:04

[@Emolga6274]

He doesn’t have time to watch the entire case. The whole case is like eight hours long.

[@CodyCole80]

🤨 Wow! So she was only 21 which makes her 25. She threw her whole life away over something that was none of her business. BIG DUMMY!!! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@ynot7119]

Fred Sanford special

[@cherylbarrett3443]

I agree with the state. I would not want a neighbor like Hannah, and she is also someone who should have never owned a gun. It empowered her to do very stupid, reckless, and dangerous things. If she actually had respect for authority other than herself, she would have quit pursuing when the 9-1-1 operator told her too. If Kenneth attacked Hannah, it was in self-defense. She is the one who ran him down and threatened him with a gun.

[@MEL2theJ]

So true!

[@RandolphSolak]

😊😊

[@williamsn411]

I’m someone who just minds my own business and stays out of things that don’t involve me. I’ll never understand people who always feel the need to get involved with everything.

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

She desperately wanted an excuse to use her new gun.

[@jefflewis4]

It was the gun that emboldened her. Had she been unarmed she probably just gets the plate number and returns back to the scene. It was the gun that made her think she could go up to his car and bark orders at him to get out of his car. When he didn't comply with her orders, it was the gun she thought she could use make him comply. It went badly from there.

[@GudMarty]

I’m not anti-gun but this is a Situation that’s drastically made things worse. No way she chases that dude without a gun. She’s not running up on someone’s window especially a grown man not armed. She probably would have just minded her business.

[@tonyamartin1425]

yea she would she would have used her truck to run him over its the person she is goofy in every situation who makes those choices ? the nerve

[@teeahtate]

Very true. Some people are not able to have guns because it gives them a false sense of power.

[@burtreynolds3143]

young and dumb clearly a hot head these are the people who should NOT be carrying. hero complex

[@nunya887]

​@@tonyamartin1425i guarantee she wouldnt have done anything without that gun, people feel like superman when they are armed

[@JonDeth]

Agreed, but the case that was presented by the prosecution was contradicted by their own witnesses and their star witness repeatedly contradicted herself while on the stand. *The defense didn't object to the prosecutions speculation about a medical emergency to have it stricken from the record, and that witness should have been impeached and her testimony impeached based on other independent witnesses testifying to seeing the same thing which was contrary to that witness, and it discredited her.* That witnesses that lied was their star witness! She's certainly guilty, but not in the way the case was presented.

[@steverl22]

They really think they are the police 😐 can't mind their own business.... KARENS must be stopped!

[@jameetaft4325]

The fact that she even had the and pulled the gun out lets you know she thought she was the damn police 👮‍♀️ 🤦‍♀️

[@PaleoCon2008]

Most concealed carry courses stress the fact that just because you have a permit to carry a concealed handgun it doesn't make you a cop. I have met enough people who don't seem to understand that fact that it concerns me. Everyone has the right to keep and bear arms. But not everyone is smart enough to exercise that right responsibly. Hannah seems to be one of those people.

[@ForsakenWar]

And there lies the issue... yes, everyone has the right to carry a firearm - yet most people lack the fundamental common sense to be responsible gun owners.

[@Emolga6274]

Well, now Hannah can sit in prison for the next 40 years and figure out what a responsible gun owner should’ve been

[@PaleoCon2008]

@@ForsakenWarNo, most people don't lack the fundamental common sense. If that were true events like Hannah's folly would be hourly events. Most gun owners are in fact quite responsible. But the few make the news because such events are uncommon.

[@ForsakenWar]

@PaleoCon2008 Uncommon? You must live in a shell. Over 30,000 firearm deaths in the U.S. per year... more then 82 per day... more then 3 per hour. Like I said... lack of common sense, as you just so graciously illustrated.

[@emp0rizzle]

This is more to do with lack of understanding of the actual law. Leaving the scene of an accident with no injuries is a class c misdemeanor in most states. Most states that allow citizens arrest states it has to be immediate knowledge and it has to be a felony.

[@lilyr7221]

You forget to mention that there’s a video showing the whole thing go down. She killed him period! She had no business chasing him down. She took law and order in her hand.

[@jacksquat4140]

The "Me Too" movement led a lot of women to believe the State will believe anything they say. For the most part - they're right.

[@Mike7mcdonald]

@@jacksquat4140wow you incels are the most easily triggered people alive. Do you just go around getting your feel feels hurt all day long, bud?

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

@@jacksquat4140 Most women would never lie about assault. The movement also ensured many offenders where held to account.

[@jacksquat4140]

@@It-is-me...Melsie : I saw crime statistics from the FBI 25 years ago that stated 44% of all rape cases were found to be malicious and fraudulent, so....

[@9395gb]

Me too was about sexual harassment, rape, and sexual assault. These are very real things that happen to women. This incident was not sexual in nature. It was a hit and run incident and a murder. Why you would bring up me too is beyond me.

[@jamesharvey7303]

She put herself in that situation. She could have just gotten the plate number and told the 911 operator.

[@miss_khanh7779]

She did call 911. And they told her to not follow him, but she still did. She wanted to kill him.

[@laurahoward5426]

Or do nothing.....she was not involved in the original crash or in any way connected

[@ABrooksCupid]

She did get the plate number and gave it to the dispatcher. She insisted on chasing him.

[@nosirx]

and let him continue to drive and potentially kill other people?

[@jamesharvey7303]

@nosirx It was not her place . The 911 0perator told her to stop. She did not. She also got out of her car and confronted the driver of the wreck. She took the law in her hands and by her actions only a man is dead. She needs to take responsibility for what she did.

[@debswatching]

To quote the prosecutor, a minor car accident does not warrant a death penalty.

[@russell-di8js]

not now, not ever!

[@SilvioManfredDante85]

It apparently takes someone with more than a room temperature IQ to understand that this wasn't that cut & dry.

[@stt5v2002]

There’s an old saying. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Well here in America we have another saying. “Why use a hammer when you have a gun?”

[@Robcalitrek1]

We don’t have a gun problem in this country. We have a mental health and gang/ inner city violence problem.

[@melistasy]

​@@Robcalitrek1and gun problem

[@minkorrh]

No, it's not a GUN problem. People would use knives if they had no guns. Look at the UK. IT'S A PEOPLE-BRAIN PROBLEM. FFS aND FAILING THAT, THEY WILL RUN PEOPLE OVER. NUTJOBS ARE NUTJOBS.@@melistasy

[@TheHockey991]

​@melistasy We have a problem with a statistical outlier of people committing murder with guns. If you took away the guns, that outlier would still exist.

[@fainitesbarley2245]

@@melistasy There are other countries in the world with comparable levels of gun ownership that don’t have comparable shooting rates to the US.

[@trailerparkheroesofficial]

Condecending is not usually associated as a good attribute, but Dr. G uses it in the best way possible which helps us view the case objectively.

[@melinda3413]

If she really wanted to be a hero, she would’ve been kind, and checked to see if he needed medical attention, until help arrived. Staying with him, to help, in case he was having a medical emergency!

[@steelhurricane4041]

💯 agree

[@iffysd9864]

Exactly but she wanted to use her gun the pos

[@lizard944]

You're living in fantasy land. Most of these BLMs are violent predators and high as a kite. He would've had no problem killing her in order to get away with his crime. Stop the sob story for career criminals.

[@ynot7119]

A firearm should have never been introduced in that situation.

[@sharonmcgriff-payne7414]

Judge, jury, and executioner; that's who Hannah Payne decided to become on that fateful day years ago. What a shame. I don't think, however, this was unknown behavior for Hannah. I'm sure she showed her entitled personality in past behavior but this time a 62-year-old man lost his life as a result. She should have taken a plea but she decided to roll the dice and now faces years in prison.

[@kenmore01]

Are you related to her?

[@melistasy]

The plea deal offered to her was life with parole. It made more sense for her to take it to trial and attempt to win.

[@melistasy]

​@@kenmore01haha i thought the same thing lol

[@steelhurricane4041]

The plea was life in prison. Now she could get life without parole.

[@Willie-v3u]

This guy is taking this woman side must be her family you have no basis for what you're saying testimony does not support what you are saying

[@nevisstkitts8264]

The symptoms of a diabetic crisis involve confusion, slurred speech, flushed skin, fruity aroma breath and can be easily mistaken for intoxication. The symptoms can impair driving and result in an accident. However, such an accident due to unexpected medical impairment is not a violation of traffic codes. The woman vigilante had no standing in undertaking actions to enforce traffic laws, esp when directed to cease by the police dispatcher. The use of deadly force was unjustified in this case.

[@marcusstewart3044]

Note that reasonably foreseeable medical impairment that endangers others IS culpable. If one is a diagnosed diabetic and is negligent over medication and driving, that entails culpability. Other medical conditions would prevent one from legally driving and are required to be reported.

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

You weren't there. His victim mentality family said he was having a medical emergency. But they weren't there either. He could have been drunk.

[@nevisstkitts8264]

@@marcusstewart3044 while the effects of advancing age on diabetes have been more intensively studied and managed in the UK, Germany and Switzerland, the US only recently identified the problem that prescribed glycemic management can become rapidly ineffective after age 60. Perhaps a detailed interview and examination with Mr. Herring would have provided more detailed insight, but the only evidence available in court was medical history, officer testimony, and autopsy/toxicology. The first officers arriving at the scene identified Mr. Herring as suffering from abdominal gunshot wound and diabetic shock. The toxicology showed no alcohol or drug impairment. Prosecutors brought up this point at trial. No evidence was presented that Mr. Herring was somehow not compliant with medical requirements.

[@nevisstkitts8264]

@@morticiaheisenberg9679 no, the postmortem toxicology showed zero alcohol and no trace of impairing drugs. First officer reporting from the shooting scene identified gunshot wound and diabetic shock.

[@darlenejones9686]

​@morticiaheisenberg9679 hey dummy they took blood and tissue from his Deceased body and no Alcohol or drugs Was found in his system.. And her defense lawyer agrees with that.

[@JR-gl1nx]

Hannah Payne thought she was Max Payne.

[@TheGuruStud]

That bloody dream sequence 😱

[@TheZlimshady]

oh no hahah

[@boredstudent]

Grand Theft Auto comes to mind for me

[@BeachsideHank]

Just as Trayvon Martin would be alive if George Zimmerman had obeyed the 911 operator's instructions to abandon pursuit, so too would this victim of a gun- toting vigilante still be alive. It seems once deadly force is carried, one deems themself judge, jury and executioner.

[@takforce06]

Not the same. Watch, “The Trayvon Hoax.”

[@BEASTWRANGLER]

Here we go..... Yawn

[@SinisterScoundrel6562]

He was a racist as is this woman.

[@Al-Rudigor]

​@@dopnai😂😂😂 Zimmerman literally told us what he did. He knew that killing a black man or boy would give him his best chance of getting off. These cowards get a gun and go hunting.

[@nkwari]

yes it is the same.@@takforce06

[@enigmawrappedinaparadox7361]

I believe this poor man was having a medical emergency. And instead of getting help, he was assaulted and shot to death. I am sure someone at the car accident scene had plenty of time to get his plate number, and the police could have dealt with this. People need to realize that often people are having a medical issue, and that is the cause of their confusion and not because they are intoxicated. She had so many opportunities to just stop, but she made mistake after mistake. Tragic all the way around.

[@guesswhat-chickenbutt]

A medical emergency? Then why did he drive off and not wait for help.

[@simmersloth6407]

Because confusion/disorientation is a symptom of hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). Sufferers can also become combative or aggressive. If not treated it can lead to unconsciousness and potential death.

[@chas1981]

@@guesswhat-chickenbuttWAIT for help? He could have panicked due to the emergency, experienced confusion, been disoriented, scared, etc. There are a variety of reasons.

[@Crystal-nm9tb]

​@@guesswhat-chickenbutt He DID wait for help, 20+ minutes.

[@UhuruFrontier]

She lied about everything.

[@msoda8516]

It’s telling one of the first things she said in her police interview is how she wanted to be a police officer that wish mixed with her own bias led to her actions.

[@magdam8290]

Many psychopaths are interested in working in police or military

[@JosephSastreShowsYou]

I didn't know that detail. Thank you. I was thinking she seemed like a wannabe.

[@virginiabrowne4549]

Being a diabetic I can understand why this man may have ran this light trying to get help. This girl was absolutely wrong.

[@hopeausbyn1734]

Who amongst us in these comments has never ran a red light purely by inexperience, overconfidence, or by accident?

[@lymarie1974]

This case is just insane. I think she always wanted to kill or hurt someone all along.

[@drebk]

Nah, she just had heroic delusions of grandeur. She figured she would be hailed a hero and not lambasted as a villain.

[@pak7417]

She was interested in a career in law enforcement.

[@drebk]

@@pak7417 That story checks out. Likely, failed the psych evals

[@lizard944]

You mean like the perp who ran the red light, smashed into another vehicle then fled the scene?

[@drebk]

@@lizard944 you're referring to a different case ?

[@arinerm1331]

Her prison nickname is now "Karen".

[@royrayburn1503]

Her prison name is the Neck.

[@ijustlovetotravelandeat453]

​@@royrayburn1503😂😂😂😂

[@ynot7119]

First 48 Hannah Montana

[@michaelwagner8859]

Agree that she's 💯 guilty. Let's not forget that the trial included a video of the confrontation and murder. It scares me that there are people with such poor judgement who are armed.

[@42words]

_"people with such poor judgement who are armed"_ that was a weird way to spell _"Americans"_

[@_Circus_Clapped_]

why do you think other people are armed?

[@jhoughjr1]

Scares me 15 year olds are promoted to wield deadly weapons and our whole society second classes anyone without such privilege. Gee wait until you take physics and realize anything is a bomb practically.

[@42words]

@@_Circus_Clapped_ for me the telltale that they're armed is the gun that's just my system tho ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@benhartart9487]

Welcome to America

[@jerryw6699]

I wish more people in the USA would talk about the moral responsibility that comes with the right to bear arms. If one cannot handle the responsibility, they should not bear arms.

[@Dan-oj4iq]

I'm reminded of a saying I heard years ago, "If you go to seek revenge, remember to first dig two graves".

[@michelleA9502]

"Citizen's arrest goes South as petulant pistol packer picks the path with the most Payne."

[@bthomson]

Learning from the master!

[@michelleA9502]

@bthomson You mean my use of alliteration, right? 😀 At first I thought you meant I was learning to be a pistol packer! Haha! I love Dr. Grande's totally serious delivery of funny lines!!

[@nancyenkelmann4552]

Citizen's arrest my ass. Wanna be cops, wanna be the big person. There are four now in jail for this type of behavior. Mr. Aubrey's killers and now this idiot.

[@Miss_Cherry]

The fact she was committing a crime while trying to chase down someone she thought had commited a crime is wild. Did she think that because she was "helping" she could ignore traffic laws? Wheird

[@ogarzabello]

Alternative title: WHEN KARENS GO TOO FAR

[@anna3036]

As is often the case, Dr. Grande got the facts mixed up. He has related Hannah's version of events, a version which was proven incorrect by eyewitnesses.

[@anna3036]

@@ynot7119 I don't know if I'd go that far, but I've quit watching him because he just doesn't do the research. And his psychiatric evaluations don't often seem to answer the question of "why" from a mental illness standpoint.

[@erinthesystem9608]

This reminds me of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin, particularly in that the emergency services operator repeatedly told an undeputized citizen to cease pursuing a "suspect," and the shooter refused to listen to this. These are not people who respect authority, but entitled people who take it upon themselves to act as they *feel* they should be authorized to do.

[@nancilane5069]

Good point. I immediately thought of Trayvon Martin. IMHO, it's a travesty that George Zimmerman isn't in prison. Hannah Payne deserves to be in prison.

[@ericmings]

​@nancilane5069 I disagree when someone punches you in the face and you're on the ground and a gun was involved you are in fear of serious bodily injury and/or death nothing wrong with him being acquitted these two cases don't compare even remotely because the primary aggressor in the Trayvon Martin case was Trayvon Martin...the primary aggressor here was Hannah Payne big difference

[@Al-Rudigor]

A lot of these people get a gun, then look for an opportunity to fear for their lives. Black men are the low hanging fruit for this type of scenario.

[@Karen_Marie]

Zimmerman lived in the neighborhood and was in the neighborhood watch (was the head iirc). He had a legitimate reason to be watchful and protective of the neighborhood and was carrying out that duty when he saw what he thought to be a suspicious person. There is also evidence Trayvon both attacked and injured Zimmerman before Zimmerman drew his firearm. So the cases are not the same at all. Zimmerman was acquitted because he did nothing illegal.

[@fangal12]

​@@ericmingsAn armed adult stalked, fought then murdered an unarmed teenager. To people like you Zimmerman had every right to defend himself but Trayvon didn't, the unarmed teenager just walking back to his relative's house. Disgusting

[@enbytz]

Her even pursuing him and acting like she was a law enforcement officer in a chase?!?! Absolute idiocy! She should've let the officers do their job once they got there.

[@MG-ot2yr]

I think Hannah watched too many episodes of Cops, she pointed the gun at him and yelled "get out of the fucking car!" What average citizen does that?

[@blessedforever1424]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jessiejames2937]

You gave Hannah too much credit for her testimony she first followed him second cut him off and blocked him in and lastly apporch his car and shot him within seconds of telling him get out the car MF.

[@derkeheath5172]

She's definitely getting a nomination for the Karen of the Year Award. Bonus points since her target was a black man.

[@steelhurricane4041]

That shouldn't factor in. What race the human being is.

[@stolman2197]

Too many people both in & out of the gun community think of a gun like a magic wand and that once it is in play everyone will do as they're told. This is not true and carrying a weapon makes you responsible for the consequences of its use.

[@Super_Grover_]

The whole concept and action of citizens arrest should never be legal. Perhaps it made sense back in the Wild West days, but it’s absolutely not necessary now and it’s extremely dangerous and irresponsible for any state to allow it.

[@tiffanybarefield1227]

Especially in this day in age with cellphones with camera and video capabilities

[@MiceliCreations]

Who is going to arrest the criminals if Democrats defund the police?

[@citizencoy4393]

On the audio she sounded like a thug in the middle of a robbery. She wasn’t even shocked or saddened by having witnessed this man die! She wasn’t even shaken up! She was actually a bit boastful about it.

[@Stephen-to7jx]

I witnessed a truck take out a parked car and I followed the truck to get the license plate information and then called it in to the police. End of story.

[@Emolga6274]

Next time, just mind your business

[@Stephen-to7jx]

@@Emolga6274 The parked vehicle was actually a pickup truck and considering it was totaled and the truck owner might not have had hit and run insurance. I felt I did the right thing.

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

She deserves a long prison sentence.

[@richardhart9204]

... a life prison sentence.

[@Emolga6274]

Well, in Atlanta 30 years is the minimum mandatory for a life sentence so she’s gonna get 30 she probably get another 10 more because she was guilty on all the charges

[@tiarag2576]

She got life with parole

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

@@tiarag2576 Thanks. Do you know when she would be eligible for parole?

[@richardhart9204]

@@tiarag2576 Parole? After how many years?

[@Justme_1221]

That man should never have had a gun in his face. She was not trained and had no authority to go after him. She didn’t have the right to approach him with a gun and order him anywhere. Giving the 911 operator a general direction the vehicle went and a license plate number is one thing. Chasing it down is another. This is way beyond any assistance that they needed and now someone is dead.

[@ThursdayASMR]

Absolutely heartbreaking this man lost his life. He wasn't drunk! He was a diabetic. And even if he was, she isn't working for law enforcment! What an idiot this woman is.

[@golderp]

Imagine her being a real cop with that personality. The Derek Chauvin of this world.

[@ledzep3692]

Hannah lived for the opportunity to show how much of a badazz, pistol packing momma she could be. Heck yeah she was itching to use that pistol.

[@FleagleSangria]

Reminds me of the time I witnessed a robbery at a Wal-Mart. My gf and I had just entered my vehicle and saw all these folks running out of the store with clothing and other items. As they left the scene I followed them from a distance to get their plates and had my gf call the police. I eventually caught uo with them and reported the plates to the police. That was it. Didn’t take the police to tell me “Dont persue, dont engage” My part was done. Point: What happened to common sense? Seems absent in Payne’s case. Being a good citizen is great. Being Karenwoman..? Not so much.

[@discospiders]

That double negative is a felony in itself.

[@SK-yu1ob]

Mr. Kenneth must have been shocked and confused, unbeknownst to him, in his last moments. He was just defending himself. RIP Mr. Kenneth 🙏

[@tracyking5945]

Thank you Dr. Grande for pointing out Hannah’s motivations to involve herself in this tragic case. It was Hannah’s own internal alarm system of grandiosity that triggered her to engage in a vigilante style citizen’s arrest drama, which ended in murder.

[@beverlytaylor7548]

She was motivated by RACE!!!!!! Now she wiĺl spend the next 60 years locked up but still breathing. She wished she had stayed home for sure that day. TOO LATE, YOU GONNA DUE THE TIME**

[@gaganorthofthe49th62]

It is clear you haven’t watched all the trial. Guilty on all counts.

[@dakalodk]

This is poor show from doctor Grande

[@Boggyboytad]

The video was made before the trial😮

[@marlonole7732]

Yeah he definitely didn’t 🥴

[@rockyevans1584]

I don't get it, he made her sound completely guilty here. What are you guys talking about? Did you confuse the Dr telling her side of the story with him giving his opinion?

[@Thommy2n]

Umm, yeah. I'm pretty sure he knows. He says as much at 5:14. "Convicted of all charges" And that despite presenting her side of it, he agrees with the state that she's guilty of felony murder. It's clear you didn't watch this video.

[@blainelee8021]

Her whole intention was to shoot somebody, she knew what she was going to do when she got after him, she was looking any reason to use that gun.

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

This brings me back to the Trayvon Martin case. It was very similar. Zimmerman had no reason to confront Trayvon and, once the 911 operator told him to stop following Trayvon, he should have complied. So, why was he found not guilty? I think I know why.

[@mitchyoung93]

Because Martin jumped Zimmerman, got him on the ground and started pounding on him

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

@@mitchyoung93 - This was AFTER Zimmerman was hassling him and the 911 operator told him to stop following Trayvon.

[@VictoriaMarch13]

Lord have mercy! Read the facts of the case and stop basing your opinion off of what the MSM told you.

[@grumpyoldlady_rants]

@@VictoriaMarch13 - I HAVE read the facts of the case. I don’t even follow MSM.

[@MiceliCreations]

You support Jussie Smollet too? lmao

[@Max-oi9es]

Diabetics can go into ahock, or suddenly have vision changes, or experience bouts of hallucinations, fainting spells you name it. So, only God knows what was going on in his mind at the time she pulled the gun on him. The question that i have is, what was she thinking?

[@shellyharry8189]

That She-Beast should've minded her own business

[@slowshaun]

This sounds similar to George Zimmerman disregarding the 911 dispatcher and taking matters into his own hands

[@Jennifermcintyre]

Agree. That case was ridiculous.

[@dabprod]

And Zimmerman was found innocent.

[@drebk]

​@@dabproddue solely to lack of witnesses

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

George was following a suspicious person. There were burglaries in the area. He was looking out for his community. Being followed is not a reason to physically assault someone. Trayvon attacked an innocent man. It was self defense.

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

​@drebk nope. Due to lies, a false witness (she was not his girlfriend and not on the phone with him) and actual proof of injuries on George.

[@MsPea]

Thank God she was convicted. This kind of scenario scares me so much. So many people are armed nowadays, and you can never tell when someone will open fire. Where I live, there have been two road rage incidents in the past few years where someone was shot by another driver. I myself was followed all the way to my home by a crazy driver who must have thought I did something wrong. I'm 71 years old and drive like the old lady I am. I don't know what could have made that man do that. I managed to get into my house before he got there and I called 911 right away. The man pounded on my door but left before the police came. I often think that if he had a gun, I have no doubt that he would have shot me. He was obviously disturbed. A man was shot just driving down the freeway by another driver who was never found. The shot man veered into the median and was killed. I have gotten to the point where I am afraid to be in crowds because I'm afraid of all the people who probably have guns. Life in the US has turned so dangerous now with all the guns. It's really frightening.

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

I live in NZ so I can't imagine how scary it must be to always have that thought on your mind where some innocuous driving incident could cause someone to shoot you.

[@Hatbox948]

Boy, she threw her life away.

[@MiceliCreations]

Wait for the appeal. It's coming.

[@msvmac9361]

Ms Pea, wow!!! I'm glad you came out of that traumatic event unscathed. I hope nothing like that ever happens again. In the future, if you suspect someone's following you, PLEASE fight the natural instinct to drive home, get inside, and lock the doors. Doing so leads the nutjob right to your front door. If you can, drive to a police station/sub-station, a firehouse, the ER...anywhere that law enforcement/security/authoritative personnel may be and let someone know that you think you're being followed. Be safe, love.

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

@@msvmac9361 Great idea!

[@thomas_2285]

Hannah would have been a good "bad" cop if she chose law enforcement as a career. I think a lot of people with her mentality wind up being police officers, unfortunately.

[@Emolga6274]

Yeah, she’s the type of person who adjusts Taser someone even if they’re following orders

[@JosephSastreShowsYou]

Thinking the exact same thing. Like Amber Guyger.

[@lilylove2021]

You have an axe to grind?

[@MK-jc9ov]

​@@lilylove2021 What a dumb question. That is a fact.

[@lilylove2021]

@@MK-jc9ov don't call people with a different opinion dumb, Dumbo 😀 Sara 70 🇬🇧 xxxxx 🙏🙏🙏💪

[@orlypalomar]

Hannah had a lot of opportunities to de-escalate things... Shouldn’t have pursued. Should have disengaged as soon as she has successfully relayed the tag number to the 911 operator. Should not have blocked the victim’s vehicle. Should not have brought a gun into the mix. Should not have approached the victim and giving him orders. I like what the prosecution said during closing arguments.... You can’t poke a bear and then when it turns around and starts attacking you, use that as justification for self-defense. Hannah was the aggressor. If anyone can claim self-defense in this scenario, it was the victim.

[@JonDeth]

You have a reasonable presentation of her actions, but the prosecution also misrepresented the case. Their star witness lied multiple times and her defense did nothing. They introduced speculation into the court record and her defense failed to object because it would have been stricken. The other independent witnesses testified he rammed her vehicle and there was a mutual struggle through the window. The fact that he rolled the window down is also an important piece of evidence, because she didn't pull the gun out and order him to roll it down, he had the window down well before she pulled the gun. She's guilty, but it was a 70/30 reality rather than 100% her. I am not saying she shouldn't have been convicted, but the case was misrepresented and she was given a black prosecutor and black judge so her race was on trial just as much as her actions. *All the shit I'm reading from armchair lawyers and social justice warriors is a product of people being easily manipulated and refusing to look at both sides of the evidence.* 43 years is insane. 10 or 15 would be fair.

[@orlypalomar]

@@JonDeth Lying is too strong a word, IMHO. It all happened 4 and a half years ago and not all witnesses have photographic memory. Jeez, I can't even remember the color of the jacket the motorcycle rider who cut me in traffic this morning was wearing. In these cases, you just need enough corroborating facts among witnesses to put it in favor or against the defendant. There are video evidence as well, which corroborated with witness testimonies.... for the most part. I look at it this way... Hannah made bad judgments one on top of the other but the worst thing she did was unholster her gun. That one single action turned it from a traffic altercation into a homicide. She inserted herself into that situation and started playing the part of an officer. The victim, medical condition notwithstanding, didn't even try to open his door or much less, step out of his truck. He did plow into the jeep, but again, it's a traffic altercation. She had his tag number and she should've stepped back and let a real officer take over.

[@JonDeth]

@@orlypalomar that's not true. Those people were interviewed immediately after the murder and gave signed sworn statements. Their star witness mid testimony said she couldn't see if the windows was down and didn't way to say it was up per-say, then said she "felt like it must have been down some" which makes her an uncredible witness. *When a witness cannot remember specific details critical to the event like that, they then become impeachable and their testimony impeachable, but her lawyers did nothing.* Hannah's lawyer failed to object and pursue impeachment which was catastrophic for her defense regardless of her version of events. That witness most certainly lied and had to change her story mid testimony or it would have had Hannah shooting him through a closed window. Multiple other independent witnesses testified to his ramming the car, the fighting through the window, and then shot fired. That witness had uncertainty about critical details but said there was no fighting, she shot him in cold blood and then said "now you need an ambulance" also in cold blood. She blatantly lied and her demeanor in general was of malice and spite, not anger over witnessing a murder. If you are a witness, including a police officer, and you cannot remember these critical details, *it's factually grounds for dismissal if that is the arresting officer.* The prosecution also used the theory that he was having a medical emergency which is speculation and her defense team should have moved to strike from the record, *but again, they did nothing!* I agree, she initiated all of it and pursued it, however, his hit and run behavior is evidence that he would have become hostile and combative upon her confrontation, and this makes it reasonable that he initiated the actual physical confrontation. She is guilty, but of a much lesser crime than she was convicted of and the court was coordinated against her intentionally so their ridiculous version of events went unchallenged. He was a humble, innocent and sick man in need of help that she hunted down and murdered lol! *It's utterly ridiculous and a miscarriage of justice.* 10 or 15 years with parole would have been more appropriate. If she's telling the truth about him assaulting her, grabbing onto her and trying to drag her away, *she's still guilty of creating the entire conflict and should be found guilty of manslaughter, but 43 years based on actual facts as opposed to speculation and a witness that blatantly lied?* If that star witness saw all that and heard all that, she would have saw the physical altercation, known if the window was up or down and many other critical details. *So, yes, she most certainly lied to ensure she was convicted.* Hannah also gave "direct evidence" which is known as testimony. This makes 3 witnesses on the stand testifying to her version of events being credible, whether or not her entire version was true. *What if it was!* It's still irrelevant IMO because she initiated everything that occurred by pursuing him and having the arrogance and bravado because she was carrying a gun.

[@ingesexton811]

In my class to get my conceal carry permit they taught us, you do not approach or chase and shoot someone. There are circumstances of course where that doesn't apply like someone grabs your child, but for the most part do don't go looking to shoot someone and that's what she did.

[@Smallchieff]

I've been avoiding this case lately just because I didn't want to spend hours figuring out what really went down, but since you posted, i'll take a listen!

[@Wazupiseeyou]

Oh you should have watched her testimony. Twisting words.

[@JonDeth]

She's guilty, but the prosecution misrepresented the case and her defense failed to do anything about it. They speculated that he may have been having a medical emergency which the defense should have objected to because the judge would have to strike it from the record. *Their star witness also lied repeatedly on the stand contradicting herself multiple times and her defense did nothing about it whatsoever!* Multiple independent witnesses testified to him ramming her car and reaching through the window causing the struggle. *I'm not saying she's innocent or that it was self defense, but she's not guilty under the premise the prosecutor created and the fake news fanned the flames of.* She did countless things that were illegal after the victim had committed multiple crimes, and as a result of her actions, *she is in prison for 43 years!* She was given a black prosecutor and black judge so her race was on trial just as much as her actions. She definitely deserves a conviction and 10 to 15 years of her life in prison, but what was done to her was just as much as a crime as herself and the victim committed.

[@jefflewis4]

@@JonDeth You said she is guilty, and its not self defense, your argument doesn't make sense. If you believe she should have received 10-15 years in prison, then you agree she was guilty of one of the non-fatal felonies (aggravated assault or false imprisonment), and possession of a firearm when committing a felony (8+5 years). It doesn't matter at that point, she committed a felony, if someone dies directly or indirectly of a felony then they are guilty of felony murder. Even if it was self defense she's still guilty of felony murder she gets the 43 years. So you see why she tried so hard to claim on the stand she did not cut his car off and that he attacked her and he shot himself. The only way she could have avoided life in prison was to be found not guilty of the false imprisonment and aggravated assault charges. She was convicted of malice murder, its the same penalty so the felony murder counts were dismissed. Even based on your argument she is not guilty of malice murder, she then is still guilty of felony murder, she still gets the 43 years. Also I don't see your point about the witnesses seeing him ramming her car. Him crashing into her car merely proves the false imprisonment charge. Her car partially blocked his car's path, and if he crashed into her car then clearly he was trying to flee her attempts to keep him there. Her Jeep blocking him in, then she pulling a gun on him is false imprisonment, again that's a felony.

[@sarahg2653]

Dude. Just get his plate number and be done with it. Also, Kenneth may have attacked her but he did so bc she pulled a gun on him. Sounds like she was charged correctly.

[@frankl1378]

The not not jokes were hilarious!

[@louisecolombi6630]

Poor man

[@nursewifemother_official]

Not every George Zimmerman gets away with murder. People just don’t learn.

[@richiroproductions8262]

one interesting tidbit i heard is that hannah aspired and desired to be a cop. i think that played into this. did she see it as an opportunity to live out a fantasy? saw it as a way to “audition” and make a case to be hired?

[@russell-di8js]

cagney + lacey never did any dumba$$ £hit like this! car prangs usually don't warrant a death sentence!

[@richiroproductions8262]

​@@russell-di8js It's obvious she was tryign to act "cop like" which is what i meant. She obviously got triggered and lost control. come to think of it, that is how COPS act these days- they tend to get triggered and lose control at times. (Ffloyd, etc.)

[@beatricebritt347]

This case reminds me of the Mcmichaels case. Ignorant violent people involving themselves where they have no business. Now its life in prison for them.

[@ollieox9181]

I always thought the McMichaels should go down as the World's Stupidest Crime. All they had to do was nothing. Just let the guy go. They could be home right now, watching monster truck pulls and complaining about Hillary Clinton.

[@Koozomec]

Both of your comments are deliciously concised.

[@jbhillz87]

They both happened in Georgia

[@martinwhite418]

At least there was a crime committed by the victim in this case, whereas there was no crime committed by the victim in the McMichael case.

[@jbhillz87]

@@martinwhite418 having a medical emergency and crashing your car isn't a crime

[@Azulakayes]

Hannah is one of those self-righteousness hero types who think they are better than others but they really are the villains. Hannah=Homelander

[@tanyray84]

States that have citizens arrest laws are stupid, is like people putting themselves at risk or using it to harm others

[@pipermccool]

Every state legally allows it to some extent, unfortunately.

[@Tindometari]

Citizen's arrest is not the problem. *Abuse* of citizen's arrest is the problem. Nobody should attempt a citizen's arrest who does not know the boundaries on it that the state's law places -- either by studying the relevant statutes or (better) consulting with a lawyer. Because if you break those boundaries, guess what? *You* may be wearing orange in court.

[@hopeausbyn1734]

Driving recklessly chasing after someone who had already been in a car accident.

[@metalman6708]

So for a citizens arrest to be lawful you have to witness someone commit a serious felony. Grape, murder, robbery those kinds of things. And you have to use reasonable force in order to restrain them until the police arrive. So someone tries to rob the cashier at a gas station in front of you and you tackle them and hold them down until the police arrive. It doesn't mean pursue the person and shoot an unarmed man that was in a relatively minor accident.

[@grt1769]

Most ppl know jack shit about what citizens arrest actually means.

[@agip07]

Her car was not involved in the crash; the 911 call attendant told her not to follow him. She'll spend many nights in jail wishing she had just minded her business.

[@stephenmocanu408]

You know what else infuriates me? When people watch someone getting attacked and they look the other way, or film it on their cell phone. Not having an OUNCE or SHRED of care for anything but themselves, but you dont get arrested for that do you

[@IsoLight765]

Pretty accurate assessment I think. The thing people do not seem to understand is that if you pull a weapon in an altercation then people may die. This goes both ways with people pulling weapons who are not really willing to use them and people who are overeager to use them. I am usually armed when I am not at home and never once did I pull a weapon, because that is the highest kind of escalation you can have. I am armed to protect myself, not to pick a fight.

[@vadimZ1000]

“Mama, just killed the man”

[@DigitalNeb]

Honestly, this is why I don't carry a pistol around. I know I can be confrontational, and at times I make rash decisions based on emotion. So I keep my guns at home. Yes, that means that I am leaving a small security gap in my life, but I weight that gap against the higher likelihood that I'll do something insane while armed, and spend the rest of my life in prison. Ultimately, we have to be honest with ourselves about our shortcomings if we hope to succeed in spite of them.

[@MustardLadySaveMe]

this decision is very wise especially because it means your firearms are less likely to be stolen if they are secured at home! I know so many people who have had their firearms stolen from their cars. A lot of times the cons outweigh the pros when it comes to having a firearm somewhere outside of your home.

[@MiceliCreations]

Concealed carry is not a problem for people of average intelligence. There are very specific guidelines to follow to stay within the law. This is learned when you apply for a license to carry concealed.

[@DigitalNeb]

@@MiceliCreations I think we're talking about two things. I'm referring to making a self assessment about how likely I am to lose my temper while carrying a firearm, and how that firearm immediately makes that potential lapse of judgement deadly serious. I understand the law, I just act before I think when I get angry. It's a problem that I wrestle with, and I think carrying a firearm around would make everyone less safe, including me. That's just me though. I support more well balanced people carrying their guns in public. My brother in law is one of those types.

[@patricia871]

Thanks!

[@puspavelai8353]

Perhaps, this 21 year old was trying to "prove something" - like, she could make an example of a senior citizen breaking the law... Not considering, medical conditions could, I guess, 'mimic' intoxication, from low blood sugar levels perhaps, is being *rash.* So, not being an expert, the pursuit was made more dangerous in my opinion! This person who could not take (lawful) instructions herself, was "performing duties" that was best left to the officers of the law.

[@kuroneko7022]

This is so reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin murder. Once again, someone feels it’s their right to follow someone Black even after they were told not to by a 911 operator and end up murdering someone. Why did she think she had the right to police this elderly man when she wasn’t the police? And the disgusting thing is she thinks she did nothing wrong!

[@ChristopherBrian24]

Trayvon Martin was a thug who was killed by someone defending himself against his (TM’s) attack.

[@Peace-tk3gr]

The race card 👏

[@VictoriaMarch13]

Yep, it's only because the person is black absolutely no other reason. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Just stop!

[@foxmulder3833]

Similar only that in Zimmerman the jury got it right

[@hopeausbyn1734]

It is clear who was to blame for the altercation. Hannah came to his car shouting vulgarity which is threatening. This murderer can go straight to Prison.

[@teeahtate]

Right, she was hyped up. Screaming at him. The man was minding his own business. Why should he obey her? When she pulled out the gun is when the problem really started.

[@BunkoValentine]

According to the testimony on the witness stand. Many witnesses said he had the window halfway down, she was freaking out and banging on his car with her hands and putting them through the open part of the window. When she pulls the gun out to shoot him she said something extremely mean and then shot him. I forgot the exact statement.

[@billpope2111]

When you carry you must do everything to avoid conflict.

[@Grundlesweat]

This is such bizzare behavior from a 21 year old girl. What an embarrasing way to throw away your life

[@blessedforever1424]

Imagine the regret she’s going to feel sitting in prison…. Her life is over because she played cop in a minor traffic accident.

[@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd]

my theory is that hannah was a busybody who not only had too much time on her hands (did she even have a job?) but probably not getting something most young women want and need which was a source of anger and resentment for her leading to the victimization of an innocent person she had never even met before⚛😀

[@woahfishbowl]

I think it’s telling of her character that on the witness stand during direct, she mentioned something along the lines of “now I’ll never help anyone again”. I really think that shows her state of mind. To her, “helping someone” meant commandeering a situation you had nothing to do with and becoming physical with someone. Where as, the correct thing to do that actually would’ve “helped someone” is take a picture of the tag immediately instead of waiting 20 minutes or staying and telling officers a description and direction. Now a man’s life was taken and a young woman’s is effectively over.

[@jaymike3302]

If that's how she helps someone, I'd hate to see her when she's angry.

[@mongoose6685]

​​@jaymike3302 Hit and run is a crime as well as operating a vehicle while impaired (alcohol, fatigue, sleepiness or feeling sick)

[@AshleyWarrick-s7m]

Agreed, it's another case out of Georgia, where someone thinks they're doing the moral and legal thing, only to find out they have absolutely no understanding of the law. If your going to carry a concealed weapon, you have to know the laws in your state.

[@OffshoreITguy]

​@@mongoose6685 what is your point here?

[@annabasnatural]

@@mongoose6685and unless you’re a law enforcement officer you give a witness statement and stay out of it 🙄

[@Peace-tk3gr]

So was he drunk, having a diabetic 'episode', or a drunk diabetic when he ran a red light; and, left the scene of an accident?

[@Benita399]

He was not drunk he was most likely having a diabetic episode. Unfortunately, though we will never know because she shot and killed him. Regardless, he along with the other driver, waited about 20 minutes, and the cops did not show up before he decided to leave which he probably should not have done but nonetheless, she should’ve never went after him, especially not being in the accident herself.

[@Peace-tk3gr]

@@Benita399 Her actions are a bit strange. Perhaps she was triggered by something. People like that should never own a gun. Senseless 😒🙁

[@helgagaines3598]

The moment she decided to pursue,and play cop with a hot piece of iron in her pocket..she drew. her life away. Risky business. What a sad and foolish situation.

[@jacksquat4140]

The same power trip is seen in the Police Force, and throughout every law enforcement agency, from sea to shining sea.

[@natureboy3785]

She's the ultimate Karen.

[@your_royal_highness]

Maybe the victim having his hand on her gun wanted to avoid getting shot multiple times.