Archery Comparison: Fastflight vs. Standard on Snake Recurve

David Forucci builds nice and colourful FF strings for Snake Recurve bows including finger protectors. Today we tested them in comparison to the normal string. If you are interested, check Dave's eBay:
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[@jmartin9059]

*Mr. Hirmer, Thank you for sharing this video of the Snake Bow. I am glad to see that this bow and fast flight strings are now available in USA. Sometimes this Rolan Snake bow is sold under the branded name of PSE...from several vendors.*

[@mohamedthair6737]

Good to see your hand is ok now

[@zachariatekawaare4761]

I first used silicon finger protectors in 1974. Having become an Arminciple I am now trying them with three different thumb releases. Kia Mihi, as always. Stay safe.

[@rwgoodship3653]

Ouch! Glad to see you tuffed it out.👍🏹

[@frankpace6767]

Hey, that bow had a shelf ( or 2) on it. Would like to see more reviews on long bows, flat bows, and recurves.

[@22tanmay]

Nice review. Didn't know you hurt your finger. Looks better now

[@fintonmainz7845]

You must be so relieved to be out of that shopping centre

[@josemanuelclaure]

Hallo Armin! Vielen Dank für das Video. Ich habe seit einige Wochen angefangen dieses Hobby und direkt mit Daumtechnik. Auch mit dem Snake 26' und das FF-String wurde auch vor ein paar Wochen bestellt und beliefert. Dieses WE konnte ich es erstmal testen und war super. Es macht ein starkes Unterschied besonders bei größere Entfernungen. Vielen Dank für die tolle Videos!

[@danielschafer5800]

Hallo Jose Claure, woher hast du diese FF-String bekommen? Gruß Daniel

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

@@danielschafer5800 all stores online or not offer it :)

[@17yearoldwarbowarcher]

Hey this seems like a good video

[@acevfx2923]

So adding a fast flight string is a improvement to this bow? How far would you reckon a safety arrow could fly on this configuration?

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

tks armin :) good jod you eyes is eagle :)

[@MikoArcher]

I use FF string with snake bow when i shoot my "archery downshifting" :)

[@YasinD95]

Hi Armin, would a fast flight string be suitable for a horsebow?

[@Thomas-xs2kq]

Hi Armin, I need that string! But the ebay link doesn't work. Can you tell me where to get the string? BTW: I love your videos, I've learned so much from them.

[@yaady2366]

I am having trouble with khatra. Getting my arrows to fly straight. Could you do a video on bow grips that might help in properly doing khatra? Having a blast learning though

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

for personal comfort for 3 years all my arrows no longer have feathers :) except for compound bows :)

[@emilyking5878]

Hi Armin,when you are reviewing bows and test arrow speed you often mention using your normal range arrows - 320 grain weight. Is this arrow weight the weight of the whole arrow; including the shaft, point&insert, nock and feathers? Or just the bare carbon arrow shaft on its own?Just wondered because 320 grain all up weight seems a very light arrow? - compared to my arrows!Thanks !! :)

[@ArminHirmer]

Hi Emily. it is the whole arrow, yes it is very light. But it is meant for your practice bows which only have 22#

[@notapplicable531]

Emily, Just a little information about the arrows we use to practice traditional Korean archery. 320 grains of weight is not unreasonable. The bamboo arrows I use with my hornbows are 300 grains, my wife's less. The first carbon arrows I used many years ago and don't shoot anymore were 370. My current arrows are 366. My wife's carbon arrows are 312. Point weights for all of these are around 60 grains. FOC for my original arrows is a low 8 %. As all our archery activity is shooting at a target with a one centimetre thick rubber face that is 145 metres away, and penetration is not desired, a high FOC for momentum and penetration is not required. The carbon bows we are currently using are about 40 lbs. at full draw and handle the light arrows quite well. When I shoot a hornbow, the one I use is about 45 lbs. I hope this may be of interest to you and dispel any concerns about light arrows. Best and many hits. PS. The Korean archery we practice only counts hits to target, not a value dependent on how close you are to the centre of the target, so - many hits!

[@HaykAmirbekyanTKD]

Thanks for the test! Could you give some more info about the arrows being used? for example the mass, GPI and Spine of the arrows. Thank you!

[@ArminHirmer]

Carbon 600 spine, the cheap ones from bearpaw

[@HaykAmirbekyanTKD]

@@ArminHirmer thanks! I shot some 700 spine carbon arrows from this bow at 30 inch draw and the arrows were faster than expected for a cheap bow! Currently I'm considering between YMG Yeon Mu Hung, Kaya KTB, SMG bamboo traditional bow , Kaya khan, hwarang traditional bow ,Kaya black cat... Hard decision to make. Do you have any reviews of those ?

[@ArminHirmer]

Yepp I have and more to come

[@ggnotgd]

@@HaykAmirbekyanTKD Hi. Hmm may I know, what bow did you finally decide to choose? All of them are nice, pretty confusing to choose which one 🤔. Ymg, smg, or other bow?

[@slizzardman]

Carbon shards in the hand is no fun :( That just happened to me a week ago when I wasn't paying attention and didn't notice a sliver poking out by my tip after I shot the steel frame of my Shield... had a 2 cm shard that I pulled out of my thumb and there's still a small piece I'm going to have to cut out. Definitely not my favorite thing ever. Glad your hand is doing ok! Have you ever considered making a multi-material bow in the style of the snake (ambidextrous) that used what amounts to an aluminum or hardened steel riser core with wood or leather overlay and laminated limbs & tips in the shape and style of the Asiatic recurves? That would make for a very interesting ambidextrous shooting experience, I think, and one that could handle quite a large draw weight if made from the right materials.

[@ArminHirmer]

wow, take care!

[@johnfredrickson7215]

Armin, did you remove the arrow shelves from that Snake bow? I've been thinking of grinding mine off to practice shooting off my hand.

[@douglassourbeer5636]

might be easier to simply lower your grip and ignore the shelf by placing arrow below shelf.

[@johnfredrickson7215]

@@douglassourbeer5636 I've discovered there are 2 versions of this bow running around. The version Armin is using has a grip that still allows arrow contact with your thumb. The version I bought has a molded shelf that blocks contact with your thumb. Since I had 2 of these bows, I ended up grinding the shelf down on one and leaving the other as is. I've since moved on to other bows, but still like to use these occasionally for form practice, or testing new thumb rings.

[@Thestripper1]

Seems like that rubber finger protector would lower the speed considerably. Kind of defeats the point with a fast flight string.

[@kevinmaughan9445]

Hi Armin. I have been using this bow in 26# and got the same string , it works really well especially on thumb release. I want to get turkish bow from alibow but i dont know what draw weight to go for. ?

[@wanhanif7575]

Dont go too heavy ,start with 40-50 first

[@johnbarron4265]

40-50 lbs would be WAY too big of a jump, especially with thumb release. Your thumb has to get used to holding the extra weight. You will progress a lot quicker and more smoothly in smaller draw weight jumps. Also keep in mind that short Turkish bows tend to be around 43 inches in length from nock to nock and thus tend to stack a lot more after 28" of draw compared to the longer Snake Recurve from Arc Rolan. So if you're used to drawing, say 29", the Turkish bow might draw an extra 4 lbs than its rating, while the Arc Rolan might have only drawn 2 lbs more than its rating. I wouldn't go any heavier than 35 lbs if I were you, and even that's really stretching it.

[@Madmartigan1]

would this FF string work with a a Magyar horse bow?

[@ArminHirmer]

it always depends on the bowbuilder, better ask them

[@jadebenet7194]

Hello Armin Don't you think that the use of a fist flight string will shorten a lot the bow's life?Hector.

[@ArminHirmer]

possible, thats why always make sure, that your bow can handle ff string

[@camelcasee]

Can B55 or a skinny B50 be used safely with this bow without damaging it?

[@BDog14157]

The link no longer works, is there an updated link?

[@ArminHirmer]

I need to check. But anyways ArcRolan told me not to use fast flight on the snake bow

[@kaikart123]

@@ArminHirmer it's going to destroy the limbs because FF cannot stretch right?

[@ArminHirmer]

@@kaikart123 yes, to hard on the string, will leave to much vibration in the limbs

[@BDog14157]

@@ArminHirmer okay thanks for the info, I appreciate it!

[@Pidalin]

That protector is bad for short and strong bows. For 40lb 160cm it's ok, but for 60lb 160cm it crushing my index finger. I had to remove that upper part because it crushed my index finger. So I have that grip only for 2 downer fingers. ;-) On that 60lb I still have to use glove, it's to strong for me. ;-) I making that protectors from common wire isolation from electro shop, I don't know how it's called in English, you know what I mean, you just warm it and it's smaller after it.

[@ArminHirmer]

of course, thats why we used it here on a snake bow with 22#. I see this protectors more for beginners or schools. Not for high poundage short bows. Cozmei Mihai is using tape too and it works just fine

[@carolchoomack2524]

Armin another looks for you. Through me. Wondering if you are well. Perhaps a general post will let her know you are ok. Hope you get this. 3 29 17. Be well Carol

[@ArminHirmer]

Hi, I am fine thanks

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

I think I gain 10 f/s :) 3 mètres the shot is much tighter with less rise :)

[@louis-jeanbraye9834]

yes but I am a sponge of waves I absorb through my bones :) well if it is too hard the jaw vibrates :) dangerous it all depends on the force too many vibrations even redirected to the ground risks damaging your body this amounts to taking it blows :( you need an exchange of energy equal to or a little higher but not more than 30#+++ok but not 45 or 50# it would be destructive!!! here to come back to the fast string :) it makes a beautiful sound in the ear the dracon no :) several months drawn at 26" for 26# the bow was sanded to prevent it from shining! a cowhide leather handle glued with soft epoxy :) top sensation I direction that the arc bends neoprene limb shock absorbers in two at 26# of force then stick rubber temples on them :) a copper wire notch mark and an 8" resonable bench :) for the hole of the handle in front of foam plastic and epoxy with deformation elastic finish :) Iprefert fast flight string :) carreful not take kévlar !!!! is not strech you bow broken sure :) and :) good arrow shots

[@renenutet2122]

Armin Hirmer this link doesnt work anymore from where we can buy it ?

[@kndtv-kanunneder2900]

Is it 22 or 26 pounds?

[@ArminHirmer]

I think it was 22#

[@kndtv-kanunneder2900]

@@ArminHirmer thnx

[@zioken81]

Hallo Armin, officialy the Rolan Snake is not compatible with Fast Flight strings. I asked today the producer, here the answer:Thanks for your interest on our brand and products, Currently, we do not recommend you to use fastflight string with a snake. The tests carried out on the Snakes are carried out with the string provided, the fastflights are more nervous and the snake could badly support the vibrations.