Armless Triangle and the 'pace choke'

[@twongolaxp4402]

The pace choke is done from bottom half. Assuming you can’t throw in the other leg for the triangle. Also the pace choke is done with two hands with a gable grip. So it technically is the pace choke. Different grips, different position, different circumstances, different compression, different direction of the choke, it’s very very similar but it’s different in certain ways. You can get away with hitting the pace choke without needing to have a full guard or a rubber guard

[@chodan94]

I am soooo happy you put this vid up. One of my 4 stripe white belt students came in the academy on Monday and was FREAKING out about this choke and could NOT wait to show and tell everyone. So, after I slapped him, I simply explained it's nothing more than an armless triangle, not a "pace choke". Thank you psykojojo, for you have restored balance to the Jiu-jitsu world.

[@Tumppe1337]

i agree with your thoughts about the nam phan bout. good thing rogan said that its not the ufc that decides the fights, and that the ufc has nothing to do with the judges whatsoever

[@dacypher22]

Ehh, what are you going to do? It was really Joe Rogan who declared during the match that it was a new submission so maybe he just didn't know this one. The starting position is a bit different, but not really enough to be a different submission.

[@Warmonger1178]

Why would you ever go for this instead of the triangle...

[@BootyBot]

he did not do this choke in training, psykojojo is right. but that's what impresses me the most. Is that he was able to pull off a technique from nowhere without any prior training or knowledge of the choke before. goes to show he's got some good mat intelligence and can use it under pressure.

[@psykojojo]

@Krumpenstein agreed and thanks for watching brother!

[@TJCB20]

thank u sooo much!!...keep on doing videos!

[@out4deadprzidnts]

its a modified armless triangle. his opponent knew that he wanted to free up his left leg for the armless triangle and that gave him the opportunity to lock in his own choke. you obviously know your stuff but give credit where credit is due, he got a submission using an unconventional move so he deserves it.

[@psykojojo]

@BootyBot Absolutely, my point was never to badmouth pace or his skill, simply to point out technique

[@dannielpreto]

Pace choke because he was the most famous to use ala Brabo, Ezekiel, etc chokes...

[@RenzoGracieNValley]

We've been doing this one at Renzo's since 1999. Congrats to Pace for using it in competition!

[@psykojojo]

@dannielpreto He's not the primary source either, now if it hits the same exact choke again (with the leg trapped) then I'll agree, you can call it a pace choke, until then, he simply used an armless triangle ONCE. And besides the D'arce was named when grappling and mma was young in america, most people (even fans of the sports) didn't know what a brabo was, they could get away with renaming it. Now, the following is huge and we understand what an armless triangle is. I do see your point tho

[@jaymepereiranunes]

Funny though. There is a move just like that in a lulalivre DVD from the early 90s in Brazil.

[@SMiL3Z08]

o yea...thats the pace choke right there.....stop hatin

[@psykojojo]

@bananabread119 Glad to be of any help lil lady

[@psykojojo]

@chodan94 ah yes brother, my intention was to restore order to the grappling force, hopefully we can reach more of the fallen! Thanks for watching

[@psykojojo]

@xKilling4aLivingx Thanks for watching brother!

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

@theguybelowmefarted no im an educated jiu jitsu player. my coach HATES eddie bravos system but as with most jiu jitsu athletes, by the time you are blue or purple ( i am ) , you realize you can learn absorb and use technique on your own without being taught if learned from a proper source. i mostly only use lockdown and whip up when my half guard is shut down via my shoulders being flattened and my hips killed. its much more effective then traditional shrimping i find.

[@mrzacklowe]

@chodan94 hi i dont mean to be rude or anything but its not an armless triangle, i train with nick pace at tiger schulmanns headquarters and while it is something like an armless triangle its more complex and can really only be done if the timing and positioning is right

[@mrzacklowe]

@psykojojo well he's done the triangle many times, but during the fight he tried to get the triangle but came out with the "Pace choke" when he saw that the triangle wsnt gonna cut it, he then came in the next day doing it and yeah, and i agree it is deffinatly much like a triangle but you said yourself that its modified so it wasn't considered an armless triangle

[@Healthiswealth78392]

hahahahah "Frank Mir" hahahahahah and thank you for clarifying what the move really is, its also a modification of the pillory choke no?

[@Helios601]

Nice, thx.

[@psykojojo]

@Tumppe1337 Yeah the state athletic commision chooses the judges and refs, it's outside of the ufc's authority

[@psykojojo]

@Krumpenstein lol....I'm not hatin'......it's an armless triangle! I gave him props for pulling a sweet submission off, but just because it's rare doesn't give you permission to rename it. we don't cal gogo plata's Aoki chokes

[@psykojojo]

@FraldinhoBJJ I Love you too brother, thanks for watching!

[@NepolianZeeBean]

Thumbs up if that guy looks like Alfalfa from the Little Rascals.

[@psykojojo]

@mrdavidpatrickcase Thanks for watching brother!

[@xjd8375]

Armless? You are using both arms! 😁☝🏻

[@kriskhaira]

He's talking about the opponent's arm. The arm is out, and if you can't bring it in, this is an alternative.

[@MajorAddiction]

The Bro in the light blue looks like Bam Margera and Frank Mir combined

[@foles023]

He kicked his left leg over the ankle like you did along with using his left arm.

[@coreymarks40]

...But the pace choke is set up a little bit different.

[@Better_MMA]

Pace choke is different tho those are two different submissions

[@psykojojo]

@mrzacklowe so he actually does that in training? I ask because in the interview I saw right after his fight, he pretty much said he made it up on the fly, saw it and locked it. Like I said, it definatly was a cool submission but as far as I can see it's just a modified armless triangle, he simply had his leg trapped

[@psykojojo]

@Warmonger1178 I wouldn't...lol...but it is an option if you can't clear the arm

[@mrzacklowe]

actually your wrong its not an armless triangle, i train with nick pace at tiger schulmanns head quarters and its not as easy as your making it out to be, he used the vise grip and digs hes elbow into the lower apple, i know it really does look like it but its a much more complex move

[@psykojojo]

@Brucewillpete7 yeah they are similar

[@theguybelowmefarted]

@FraldinhoBJJ Nice. I'm flexible so I like hooking the guys leg with my foot from half guard. I'm still improving my game though

[@pulvaris]

@psykojojo maybe it was just the first time it worked in the UFC?

[@drseth00789]

alfalfa!

[@psykojojo]

@PogoJay Wrong! it's Gaston from Beauty and the Beast!

[@dannielpreto]

@psykojojo No because you are not the primary source of the sub. If we have a Brabo Choke, D'arce, Ezekiel, and Kimura we can give the guy a Pace Choke. He was the most well known propagator of this choke thus by the precedent within the BJJ community is entitled to this choke. Nothing is new under the sun, but BJJ has this habit of paying tribute to guys that spread a choke. He put it out there for the world (Grappling World) to see it...

[@SkillinIt25]

nice hair

[@psykojojo]

@dannielpreto lol....agreed

[@mannasteve]

Alfalfa

[@psykojojo]

@skecanj .....belittle him? I said it was a cool choke! people are merely misunderstanding the move and I'm trying to point it out, it's not a 'pace-choke'....I'm sorry, you obvioulsy like the guy which is fine but don't let that cloud your judgment brother....I didn't belittle him, he didn't rename the 'armless triangle' the fans did

[@psykojojo]

@Tsklightning427 lol...what are you his brother? Nothing against the guy, I'm simply pointing out what it is and what it isn't. I go pro this year, will I be able to talk about it then?

[@psykojojo]

@jgrz35 lol...nah I assure you theres no jealousy, he pulled off a very nice move, I'm pissed at people calling it something its not tis all

[@josh1212121]

i likey this

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

@OffspringFTW65 yeah ive been a blue belt for 2 years in february. that means i should be getting real close skill wise to a purple, which means i should be able to beat a purple by points, and the average one two or three stripe blue belt shouldnt be able to sub me , but beat me on points. Oh and by the way since winning Up to NAGA intermediate, and beating all my opponents by 5 points or more and taking every opponents back was my last accomplishment i dont think you could,

[@theguybelowmefarted]

@FraldinhoBJJ 10th planet player?

[@pulvaris]

Jojo...are you not impressed with the Pace Choke? LOL you would rather call it a "harmless triangle" ??

[@psykojojo]

@drseth00789 lol.....yeah yeah, havent heard that one before!

[@Helios601]

Is it not a legless triangle? lol

[@peter11772]

Guy in blue,frank mir jr?

[@fergalmcardle]

you really do act like your a expert though, what belt are you anyway?

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

@OffspringFTW65 well they dont give out belts in wrestling but if they did id be a purple belt there and as far as jiu jitsu, i started at an american jiu jitsu school, earning my blue belt there, then went to ATT and was forced to start back at white and earned the bjj blue belt too. if it had been at either place all at once id be purple and roll consistently with quality purples and do just fine. it takes a brown/black belt to sub me so if youre not a brown then you=not better.

[@jabrice77]

Bam margera

[@psykojojo]

@MrRoylatham lol...nah I'm good, just needed to put some fools in their place

[@TrendyBromando]

WTF? when did bam margera start doing mma?

[@RainstormInSpace]

@FraldinhoBJJ why you mad bro?

[@asid101010]

@evilburrito95 armbar is still an armbar no matter what position it is taken from.. as for the the triangle, kimura ect. renaming a sub based on where u take it from is just making shit way to complicated and confusing as everyone is using different lingo.. thats the one annoying thing about the new shit out. people are like oh look i made of this move.. no u didnt its the same move just from a slightly different position. ridiculous,.

[@sessary]

Sorry, but what you demonstrated was not a Pace Choke. And must you belittle and put down the choke and the man before demo'ing the choke? Let him have his due and be happy for another martial artist. You're a little, little man.

[@psykojojo]

Ok?

[@psykojojo]

@dannielpreto So when I go pro we can start calling my favorite submission (triangle) the Joe Martin Choke? Same logic. It's been around a long time....it has a name.....Armless triangle

[@dannielpreto]

@psykojojo OK cool lets agree to disagree lol, nice video though keep up the training :D Oh and I learned it as a pillory choke LOL that's how a lot of guys call it.

[@psykojojo]

@pulvaris Nah it was cool, but it's nothing really new

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

wow i love when blue belts pretend to be masters or something. its not called 'pulling rubber guard" its called transitioning to mission control. then getting the hand to the mat. the invisible collar, then omoplata, then top position to twister side control. if youre going to make a video on youtube and scoff at newbs, please dont be one. are you gonna tell mick swick he cant have the swickitine? and why does aoki get the go go when brad imes got two pro finishes with it? newb....

[@UmDiaEuFicoBom]

What`s up with the wannabe Frank Mir look?

[@psykojojo]

@FraldinhoBJJ Lol....Nope! Wrong,I still love you though dude. Stop being so angery, you'll live longer. And people will like you

[@BootyBot]

@LemonNation lmao

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

@psykojojo Yeah yeah. i know you kid. youre the 'coach' on the wall whos too tired to roll but screams instructions to your white belt henchman/sidekick. i know you... legit bjj athletes hate that guy. grow up.

[@Tumppe1337]

i agree with your thoughts about the nam phan bout. good thing rogan said that its not the ufc that scores the fights, and that the ufc has nothing to do with the judges whatsoever