Aron Ra: Atheism and Creationism are on the Rise at the Same Time

KZbinr and atheist activist Aron Ra on why both atheism and creationism are rising in popularity?
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In this episode, I’m joined for the second time by popular author, KZbinr, and atheist activist Aron Ra.
We talk about what being an atheist really means, why atheism has been increasing in popularity and why Aron has dedicated his life to atheist activism.
We also discuss in detail the issues there are with organized religions, how people are able to accept contradictions in their beliefs, and some hypocrisies of the church that Aron identified.
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[@kevinshort3943]

Some studies suggest, that as religion becomes less popular the more extreme those that are left become. EG: Creationism. That's how Atheism and Creationism can both gain in popularity at the same time.

[@highlander918]

War is always the inevitable outcome of a cornered sect of belief. When it boils down to the end, religious people will actively crusade to preserve their ideas.

[@enki354]

I believe thar's a possibly

[@f.u.m.o.5669]

Let's call it "Contrasting".

[@lightatthecape2009]

That's well said Kevin. Readjusting the balance

[@lightatthecape2009]

Just what we need more extremism...

[@musicauthority7828]

That was a really AWESOME drawing of Aron Ra in the thumbnail.

[@StarSong936]

I got to talk to Aron and Seth Andrews recently, and shared my deconversion story with them. Wish I could have talked longer, but as it was the live stream, and they had other people to take, I kept it short.

[@eredain1]

Psychopathy is not a loss of connection with reality. You're thinking of psychosis. Psychopathy is a moral failing, not a factual one.

[@drsatan7554]

It's a total lack of emotion. Our personal morals are based on how things make us feel. Psychopaths don't have emotions, they can only emulate them

[@Foxesinthetrees7]

It’s also genetic or brain damage in some cases.

[@eprd313]

Psyche > soul / mind Pathos > suffering / disease

[@eredain1]

@@eprd313 Indeed. The literal meaning of the word does not fit with the phenomenon, that it is used to refer to. Which is why it was originally rebranded as "sociopathy". Because they're socially sick, as opposed to being "sick in their rational mind (psyche)", like psychotic people are.

[@lightatthecape2009]

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4321752/#:~:text=Psychopathy%20is%20a%20neuropsychiatric%20disorder,antisocial%20deviance%20and%20criminal%20behavior.

[@Yura135]

3:20 there is a solution to this problem, it's called rules of evidence. before the debate, all evidence has to be entered into evidence and shared with the other side. we do this in the legal system all the time, and find that a lot of debate (court trials) becomes trivial or entirely unnecessary when the participants can't play weird games with facts.

[@kenpanderz672]

religion has not necessarily deceased, its just become concentrated into a smaller volume.

[@NevilleBamshu23]

Like concentrated poison..

[@lightatthecape2009]

@@NevilleBamshu23 I actually find new atheists have lost their gears. They get pretty histrionic at times.

[@MusicAuthority-b9r]

I have a real issue with people that are so stupid. as to believe in creationism when evolution proves otherwise. and people that believe the Earth is flat. I want to make a suggestion to them to go take good long look at a globe. how can people have such backwards thinking? I can't help but think that they have such beliefs simply out of spite.

[@highlander918]

It’s more of a mass example of confusion that leads to belief a few thousand years down the line. There is no point in trying to understand the religious person, because each one has a different reason they worship their god. But it’s mostly because they fear the all consuming void that awaits any individual as they die. They cannot conceive of a reality in which they don’t exist after death. It is the ultimate excuse to do absolutely nothing for your species and then die, because all of your wrongdoings will be forgiven as long as you believe. This is just Christianity. Don’t get me started on Islam, they’re so far behind on critical thinking they’ve overlapped themselves in denial. Islam will die before any of the other theistic teachings.

[@MusicAuthority-b9r]

@@highlander918 The problem is a person can't simply ignore religious people, and especially religious extremists. because they are becoming very heavily involved in politics. and garnering to too much power involving decisions. concerning democracy and the destruction of this Country. and they can't be allowed to continue.

[@lightatthecape2009]

Evolutionary processes work at the organism level, not at the molecular level. Therefore it explains speciation by changing allele frequency in populations over time. Abiogenesis looks at molecular levels to see how they combine and synthesize proteins. They are different, distinct areas of biology.

[@holytrinity2510]

The concept of “nothing” cannot have the ability to act, otherwise it would exist as a “potential act” and be one of many things that exist. If the universe came from “nothing” then this nothing would have had the ability to become the universe. But the concept “nothing” as we previously explained, cannot have the ability to act, therefore, the universe could not have come from nothing on its own. Since there are things that do exist, then “something” must have always existed, because as we just proved, things cannot come from “nothing” on their own. If time had ever proceeded at an infinite rate, which is like fast forwarding through a motion picture, we would not be here today because all events would have already occurred in a single instant. Therefore, time has always progressed at a finite rate and any mathematician can prove that time could never have progressed over an infinite time interval. The proof goes like this, pick any number no matter how great. You can always add one to it and thereby make it greater in value, therefore you can never reach infinity. And you cannot say that all we need to do is to wait an infinite amount of time and then we would reach infinity, because then you are assuming that you can wait an infinite amount of time. However, this is what you were trying to prove and so that is not proof at all. You cannot assume to be true, that which you are trying to prove to be true otherwise you can prove anything to be true, even that which is false. Therefore, time could not have started an “infinite” time ago and therefore had a beginning a finite time ago. Since “something” always existed as we previously proved, it had to have existed before time started. Since space and time are one entity called the space-time continuum as Einstein pointed out, then this “something” had to have existed before space and time existed and therefore caused space and time. Since this “something” existed outside of space and time it cannot be made up of material things, because material things can only exist in space. And this “something” could not be just chaos which has no order, because as we previously proved, something cannot come from nothing on its own, hence order cannot come from pure disorder. Therefore, this “something” had to have had the ability to cause order, space-time, material things, beauty, life, everything in our universe, including our universe and natural laws and rules. Since we call ourselves beings, then we should at least call this “something” a Being, who we call God. Since only God always existed, and the universe is not made of God as we just proved, then God must have created the universe out of “nothing”. Since “nothing” does not even exist, then God must have infinite Power in order to have created the universe from “nothing”. Since all people desire happiness, then God must have created us to be happy out of love for us. Naturally, all creatures should love their Creator. For us to love God from our heart, God had to create in us a free-will, because no person can be forced to love, otherwise this would not be true love from their heart. With our free-will, we can choose to do good or bad to our neighbor and this is why there is sin in the world, because some people have chosen to hate God and their neighbor and are only interested in pleasing themselves. God did not create evil, nor does He desire evil, but he does allow sin to happen because He had to form us with a free-will, in order for us to love Him and others from our heart.

[@willdraper8384]

Brilliant!

[@MegaTattoo69]

Sorry AronRa; Gabriel Mouton, a church vicar in Lyons, France, is considered by many to be the founding father of the metric system. In 1670, Mouton proposed a decimal system of measurement that French scientists would spend years further refining.

[@pmtoner9852]

I can tell you're not the real Jesus cuz you actually wrote something

[@prestonlis9671]

I feel like that wasn’t the main point of the conversation, but valid. I was confused on that too lol.

[@renesoucy3444]

It seems that the desire to dominate cannot be tamed, therefore, logics is also completely vain and irrelevant and to say that religion is the culprit of wars is an unbelievable hypocrisy.

[@LoneStarPlate]

Interesting point - thank you for your comment!

[@prestonbacchus4204]

Of course, with the rise of the silly many folks will say they do not believe in that. Doesn't mean they do not believe in other more reasonable "God" notions, unrelated to interpreting obviously allegorical material literally.

[@LoneStarPlate]

Great point - thanks for watching, and for your comments!

[@renesoucy3444]

No, you have to believe that this is the Will of God to throw that mountain into the see, and Jesus was talking about Him being thrown in Humanity ( the Sea ) by God Himself, that’s my interpretation of that passage. Jesus was not talking about the weakness of humanity, but of God’s, Mercy. ( If it is a weakness…😉)

[@lanazak773]

Oh, I thought you were talking about being woke as a religion

[@Jacob-cz4rq]

its actually mass psychosis 7:04

[@LoneStarPlate]

Thanks for the addition!

[@raysalmon6566]

John 1 The Word Became Flesh 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. j27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

[@eddybrevet6816]

We still sacrifice our animal nature 2 the spiritual, might have been ok, but have taken it 2 far, got more nuts, because, both ways

[@Charles-tv6oi]

Aron ra shadow bans the few who beat his ass. I ask if I say that Pufferpeeps can't jump up on my couch due to being disabled from birth, but the day before I also said that Pufferpeeps jumped up on my couch, did I contradict? No. She can't jump up on the TOP but can jump up on the SIDE with 4 paws

[@LoneStarPlate]

This has to be one of the weirdest comments I’ve seen on this channel…lol And you left it multiple times on different videos lol

[@Charles-tv6oi]

@@LoneStarPlate and true

[@blair9689]

@@Charles-tv6oi crackpot.

[@prestonlis9671]

@@Charles-tv6oi Shadow banning is an interesting concept. How exactly do you think he has to power to ban someone off the internet 😭

[@Charles-tv6oi]

@@prestonlis9671 ask Roger Waters . Even the liberal guy of Pink Floyd says Zuckerberg is doing it. I'm pretty sure Zucker is in the pocket of the guy on this thread against Christ. It's a fact. And you can block people also. Same principle

[@mirouu13]

Religion is only lies ? Think again, its also good things, there can be example rules in religious books : you should not kill. And that can be good rule. And i think religious experiences can be interesting thing if you are bored. But you don’t need to believe anything.

[@2l84me8]

If you need religion to not murder people, then you aren’t a good person at all. Religion is quite lenient with murder and genocide.

[@TedLJones]

You mean like the book that condones child murder? Nah thanks. I can work it out by myself.

[@mirouu13]

@@TedLJones i’m not religious. What book you mean?

[@TedLJones]

@@mirouu13 the christian book. “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” I mean... pretty sick stuff...

[@prestonlis9671]

Very true, can teach a lot of great lessons, just can also come with a lot of danger. I think that’s what the other guy is trying to say

[@tshred666]

Quick correction, the metric system was first developed in France by Talleyrand.

[@eprd313]

Even the most rational of them are always US-centred

[@felixthehuman]

@@eprd313 that was the first time I had ever heard that- and, I mean, I worked in science in the US (not at the PhD level) so used the metric system my whole working life

[@lightatthecape2009]

They are correct.

[@LoneStarPlate]

Thanks for watching!

[@manuelflores326]

❤ EXCELENTE ❤👌👍👊💪✌️🙌🤛👏

[@LoneStarPlate]

Thanks for watching!

[@emilyhood1576]

I understand. Why would a God with so much power, why would he also need worshipping, that sounds a little over the top. Respect, acknowledgment of something with more creative skills than us , ok. But worshipping sounds like begging and demonstration of weakness.

[@LoneStarPlate]

Well said

[@kookamunga2458]

I ditched religion when I was eighteen. I am now fifty five and still firmly doubt the existence of God . I haven't been to a church sermon since I was twelve. My father was an atheist his whole life and he is in his nineties now . My mother stopped going to church in her fifties. It really helped that my parents weren't religious.

[@LoneStarPlate]

Thanks for your comment!

[@renesoucy3444]

It is a Gift of God not to show Himself because Blessed are those who believed without having seen, but are already seeing the True Meaning of what the Bible is trying to convey, unity, truthfulness, humility, not pride, hate, and our desire to dominate. Jesus was right to say that it is child play, quite simple but Ô so difficult to understand from our elite saints… those fighters for who’s gonna be dictating the Mercy of God are better be ready for a Big Slap in the face.

[@valveman12]

"It is a Gift of God not to show Himself because Blessed are those who believed without having seen" You keep telling your self that! What a load of garbage. God, in the unfalsifiable bible, came down to Earth, in human form. God talked to Moses. If the only unforgivable sin is disbelief, and God chooses not to reveal itself, that's God's fault!

[@travismiller170]

if you can't say 'modernity' you can't comment on the subject.

[@LoneStarPlate]

And if you can’t use proper capitalization, then be gone as well.

[@travismiller170]

@@LoneStarPlate sniffle

[@ziyadaljazaeri9001]

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful. 1. What are they asking one another about? 2. About the Great Event. 3. About which they disagree. 4. Surely, they will find out. 5. Most certainly, they will find out. 6. Did We not make the earth a cradle? 7. And the mountains pegs? 8. And created you in pairs? 9. And made your sleep for rest? 10. And made the night a cover? 11. And made the day for livelihood? 12. And built above you seven strong ones? 13. And placed a blazing lamp? 14. And brought down from the clouds pouring water? 15. To produce with it grains and vegetation? 16. And luxuriant gardens? 17. The Day of Sorting has been appointed. 18. The Day when the Trumpet is blown, and you will come in droves. 19. And the sky is opened up, and becomes gateways. 20. And the mountains are set in motion, and become a mirage. 21. Hell is lying in ambush. 22. For the oppressors, a destination. 23. Where they will remain for eons. 24. They will taste therein neither coolness, nor drink. 25. Except boiling water, and freezing hail. 26. A fitting requital. 27. For they were not anticipating any reckoning. 28. And they denied Our signs utterly. 29. But We have enumerated everything in writing. 30. So taste! We will increase you only in suffering. 31. But for the righteous there is triumph. 32. Gardens and vineyards. 33. And splendid spouses, well matched. 34. And delicious drinks. 35. They will hear therein neither gossip, nor lies. 36. A reward from your Lord, a fitting gift. 37. Lord of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them-The Most Merciful-none can argue with Him. 38. On the Day when the Spirit and the angels stand in row. They will not speak, unless it be one permitted by the Most Merciful, and he will say what is right. 39. That is the Day of Reality. So whoever wills, let him take a way back to his Lord. 40. We have warned you of a near punishment-the Day when a person will observe what his hands have produced, and the faithless will say, "O, I wish I were dust." www.quranwow.com [Quran Chapter 78].....

[@larryscarr3897]

Boil water before drinking. Ha 4 words better advice then your whole magical book of stupid. 😉

[@MouldMadeMind]

And nobody cared.

[@jonparker5728]

???

[@BlizzardofOze]

Hey that's neat but if you don't join my religion you will go to super hell. But it's not all threats, if you are pious enough or just believe me really you get to go to super heaven. We have 42 virgins per man instead of just 40. Also you can say the "F" word sometimes.

[@pmtoner9852]

By all means, let a story book from the middle ages tell you how to think. Just be content with your glorious afterlife that is promised to you and during this life, leave us rational people the hell alone.