Art Meets Science & Spirituality in a Changing Economy (Ilya Prigogine, John Cage, ...) 2/5

[@trombone7]

Fantastic video. What a remarkable time capsule of intellectual stances basically right at the edge ... but this still a : - pre-internet - pre-smartphone - pre-9/11 - pre-social media - pre-post-truth world. As this video is part 2 of 5 I hope to watch the other 4. Thank you.

[@krisscanlon4051]

Always some form of synchronicity with me...when I fall into my inner intentions...Lou Reed to Cage to spirituality...ahhh

[@PeterFritzWalter]

One of the most important discussions about the relationship between science and religion I have seen in my entire life. I am very grateful to the uploader to have sensed the cutting edge of this discussion for our postmodern international culture. Thank you so much!

[@fromthepeanutgallery1084]

John Cage, what a beautiful person!

[@hopelittwin]

Fantastic

[@MrForestExplorer]

I am loving these documentaries. Thanks so much for posting these!

[@jonny_drury]

WOW.

[@MarkSamuelson32]

Who is the man from the audience @33:45 talking like a sage and leader? And what is he saying? Some of his references and words I'm not catching. He has to be a well known artist with experience in lecturing. He's more at ease than the panel in talking to the room. And he's sharp.

[@MosEisleySpacePort1138]

That’s the artist Lawrence Weiner. Not sure what “multifacultiteur” (sp?) means but I would guess something like “multicultural party” or “one size fits all.” And the only reference I could understand in the other phrase was Kirke as in Kirkegaard.

[@ShrewlyShrew]

I'd like to have a better grasp of what the heck he's talking about. But to me his words are made opaque by his seemingly ginormous ego and overly aggressive tone.

[@matthewpintomusic]

@@MosEisleySpacePort1138 @UmsaBerg I heard this as 'multi fatti kultur' ... some kind of multiculturalism. Would love to know more. His other references were Ms. Beeton's Cook book (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs._Beeton%27s_Book_of_Household_Management), which I take to mean that they are caught up in housekeeping, and "[Kinder,] Kuche Kirche" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder,_K%C3%BCche,_Kirche), another reference to antiquated domestic roles. He's extremely charismatic to listen to.

[@trombone7]

​@MosEisleySpacePort113 Thank you . . . Looking for this name.

[@vincentw1400]

@@MosEisleySpacePort1138 i believe he said „mutti-vati-kultur“ which is german and means „mommy-daddy-culture“ where „mutti“ and „vati“ are quite oldschool names for the parents and considered jammed nowadays.. I have no idea where those german words come from in weiner‘s mind, this one for example is not a term you would use here in germany, and it is neither to be found in any distinct discourse terminology (as far as i know)

[@fromthepeanutgallery1084]

Totally disagree with: "To spend their time, devoted to something which society considers purposeless" [referring to art] 36:05 Most people enjoy art for beauty, knowledge gained from it (other artists) pleasure from viewing or hearing it. Art for art sake. Art is an end in itself. Period! Art quiets the mind, like beautiful music, opening up other parts of it to receive Divine intervention. Of course there are those who use it to launder, store value, and purchase it to show off. There is a purpose for art, that's why, it's found as far back as human kind itself, in some of the deepest darkest caves on this planet. Humankind has needed in one way or another since time began.

[@artpilart]

Qué arte!

[@cinephemera]

Lawrence Weiner, as Shakespeare put it, speaks "an infinite deal of nothing."

[@qwertyvoodoo]

25:00 beautiful

[@qwertyvoodoo]

37:00

[@TheNoblot]

there is a difference on the american reasoning and the european one, i feel is the concept ordering of perception. the american perception direct itself towards the surface as the european one has a tendency of digging into a subsurface. . ! is not a rule however david bohm he himself reflects differently. this veil of different perception on subjects is perhaps related to the making of the place and its inhabitants now, as america being a younger nation and europe being the mother nation. this time difference perhaps influence the way conclusions and believes are reach.

[@idrojojirdjrijidr]

which piece of music opens and closes this out? John Cage.....?

[@saymayfire]

it is john cage yes. Prepared Piano Sonata No. 6 I believe

[@idrojojirdjrijidr]

@@saymayfire thanks!

[@TheNoblot]

2013 is not 2018/ therefore things meanings change and rearrange themselves in accordance to the flow of time/ art could be the missing link that most search for however to perceived properly could be the question.

[@trombone7]

Hi. Just to be clear. The video is a discussion from 1992. ( edited to correct the year ).

[@TheNoblot]

@@trombone7 time is irrelevant does not really exist it does for humans not for the universe

[@trombone7]

@@TheNoblot My mistake. It came out in 1992.

[@TheNoblot]

the noxw

[@guilhermesilveira5254]

The american composer John Cage and the russian physicist Ilya Prigogine were spiritualists. But reality is just elementary particles. There is no "complexity", "system" or "chaos" theory. James Gleick,, Per Bak, Heinz Pagels, Mitchell Feigenbaum and Manfred Eingen are wrong. Read Steven Weinberg and Jacques Monod for a reductionism approach

[@ZAck56100]

Reductionism is dead. Emergency is living

[@ZkaLy6]

Geez this English French accent is difficult as fuck to me

[@isee5251]

😂😂😂