Arthars reacts to Zepla's "Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played" for 2 hours

[@sevxone]

Turning a 36min video into 2h is very impressive.

[@kaliko-]

Arthars is known for taking a small point and turning it into a 30 minute+ ramble and/or joke... and I wouldn't have it any other way LMAO

[@kahome]

Lol I have to check after reading this.

[@Pandrawrr]

This is how you react and make it transformative. If it was a 36min video and he uploads it at 39min it's basically a reupload

[@DefenderX]

That's over 200% value

[@robertcortes5361]

Because I'm not a viewer 2x speed is the only thing to make this bearable.

[@paganflute3989]

the talking to ppl less and less is true. When i came into ff14 2 years ago, i got more social after WoW, even with rp and club stuff. I went into a fc and had a raid grp. These days i play alone. I dont even look at my flist anymore. I dont do social or clubs anymore. I dont even have a fc anymore. i raid in a moody static 2 days a week and the other time i exist ingame, standing in Limsa, doing some roulette and island stuff here and there, get some glamming ideas and thats it. ^^

[@_Moar]

1:48:44 "Just because I'm okay with eating plain pancakes, that doesn't mean that I don't wish that tomorrow that pancake comes with maple syrup" MMMM say it louder for the people in the back! That was beautiful Arthars

[@TheRealAlexFlame]

But then you'll say that you aren't okay with just maple syrup and want strawberries added to the pancakes. And then once you get that you'll complain that the strawberries and syrup were too much and you wish you had simple pancakes. And then rinse and repeat. People complained about the exact opposite of things back in ShB. And now that EW is easier and lighter suddenly people like Zepla can grind out videos on why it's the worst expansion and other dumb hot takes.

[@chrispyy99]

​@@TheRealAlexFlamehow is she grinding anything, arthars made it very clear from the beginning that zepla could easily ball up into her blanket while saying uwu thanks for the subs, i love ff14. she is brave if anything for speaking out against her own audience. cuz ppl like you will alwyas say shit like that.

[@Turamwdd]

@@chrispyy99 Naw, she is a doomer who built an audience playing a game hardcore and then eventually got tired of it. The game doesn't currently have a grind and she is forced to either do something else. YoshiP has, for years, talked about taking time off to play other things. People like Zepla were too stupid to realize that hardcore, 40-hr a week players was not what the game was designed around. And Zepla is pissed at her audience because she is doing other things and people aren't watching her (and she is generating less money - see her talk with Preach). That is the risk when a solo streamer goes variety. She just needs to toughen up and start building a new audience instead of whining about her FF14 audience.

[@Turamwdd]

The problem is that he had maple syrup for several days already but forgot all about that. Then when it goes to plain (which he is supposedly okay with), he suddenly wants the maple syrup again. No game can constantly update to that degree that Arthas wants in his example.

[@nihzit8185]

When my parents had their first dog, they listened to my sister-in-law and the dog got the same food every day. In the beginning she ate without problems, but one day she took a bite, spit it out and looked at my mother. My mother was confused and as i asked her if she would like to have her favourite food every day she kinda realized. After that the dog got the same food with a bit of fresh fruits, sometimes cheese, potatoes, some meat or leftovers. She never refused her food ever again, instead she was always hyped for it... Even though the basic food stayed the same and she only got like 1/4 of variable content. Game companies could feed us like a dog and we'd be happy.

[@soldierorsomething]

Thank you Arthas for reacting to this, grinding my island was never as entertaining as listening to this

[@JustinK0]

are you saying you grind without listening to something like this?

[@soldierorsomething]

@@JustinK0 well i might have accidentally grinded a few island levels before having the great idea of multitasking ff14 rants and grinding :P

[@JustinK0]

@@soldierorsomething its like you're new to grinding, ive been multitasking while grinding in mmo's for 15 years haha

[@soldierorsomething]

@@JustinK0 I started playing MMO´s when Asmon came to FF14 :D, but no i wont get 2 monitors, i must resist

[@JustinK0]

@@soldierorsomething its definitely worth it

[@BeatdownGG]

I wouldn't even say she got burnt out. She did an Ultimate on release on prog. It broke her spirit.

[@katiekaliber]

Lmfao that makes no sense, she wants to log in and do stuff but there is nothing to do because they added content that can be cleared in one day and then there is just... emptiness. It's not that hard to understand. Just because your spirit would break with taking on an ultimate prog on release doesn't mean it's the same for others. Imagine understanding that people aren't all one and the same and the world isn't just how you see it.

[@ghosteeniesmith6219]

Much like wandering through a table top rpg campaign, I enjoy wandering, FATEing, HUNTing, and instances over 55. I love the world and being my own character. A level 90 eureka instance would be nice to see our full ability kit. Queuing instances for tomestones makes it easier to get away from the computer and deal with offline priorities too. I game slowly and started in mid stormblood. I finally feel like I'm "caught up" with leveling battle and crafting job in endwalker. 90 levels of story is alot to play through. Imagine a new sprout starting FFXIV this 2023 year, and that feeling of "am I behind" in this live service game. Savage raiders might be bored, but there's so much other content than savage raiding, especially 100% completion gamers like myself. It will be interesting to see how Square Enix bridges the gap between older veterans and new sprouts from now till dawntrail. Much like the survival of a town, new people is how a town or game grows and stays alive.

[@1Vivesong]

to me what endwalker killed in me is the grind that kept me busy the fact that every single freaking part of the relic weapon as been the lazy repeat of get 1500 gems and nothing else to do has bored the shit outa me having zones and objectives to complete kept me busy in previous expentions.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Yeah, I feel you there. I'm still gonna finish up the Manderville relics (Scholar and Summoner are the last two I gotta complete) and then I plan to just take a break until 6.55. I still gotta wrap up the battle pass in Destiny 2, gotta get my money's worth there at least considering how awful Lightfall was. After that? Maybe I'll move back to DCUO or play Mortal Kombat X until 6.55

[@海外华侨-y5o]

It’s a breathe of fresh air for me 😂 The previous relic involves so much grind . For once I’m happy that there is only tomestone grind

[@Asako_Gaming]

Got to floor 88 solo on the new deep dungeon with a rez pomander active and dcd. 6 hours wasted.

[@Esen441]

38:30 Arthars is in mid rant, and then *Neuron activation*

[@albinaXIV]

If endwalker had a bozja/eureka type of zone, it would be much better

[@Caerikz]

Yeah, that was a huge investment and time sink. People shit on it, but it was my favorite kind of content.

[@coolyeh1017]

The lack of a exploratory zone was sa calculated risk the devs made for more content as an experiment. Turns out in hindsight it may not have worked out as well as they thought hence why we heard from Yoshi P that they are looking at "new battle content" for DT.

[@Magnarmis]

I look back at the chocobo killing 48 players and laugh while telling the story. I don't think I have any stories from endwalker.

[@copesupply]

Already months late, but one thing I hope they stop doing in the msq are the fake-out deaths, I think it has come to the point where it's been too overused. They should also stop writing the Scions getting yeeted before fighting final boss.

[@-anoato-]

As someone who leans more into casual to "midcore" content that doesnt have any interest in savage and ultimates, I have plenty on my plate that I want to do like farming the hunt mounts, ocean fishing, big fishing, collecting tt cards, housing, pterodactyl mount. However, I still yearned for a piece of content like bozja or eureka that brings most of the community from all spheres of gameplay together in some form that helps shake up the more casual content I pursue. I feel the playerbase might be too divided right now into smaller pieces of content. Although there is tons of people that show up for hunt trains and S marks it just isnt really difficult in any capacity.

[@DevoutSkeptic]

When I'm in a fetishizing a mindless grind competition any my opponent is Zepla.

[@vrahnkeneisenbach9148]

I still like ARR's relic quest the most just because it encouraged players to still play old content for alexandrite and such so it kept those instances active.

[@mr.e3123]

you dont want 100% engagement. ive seen that, that is WoW and the 100% Engagement Grind (on top of everything else going on) for that game, murdered it dead. FFXIV has downtime, it has slow periods, it comes back with good quality content every time. go play other games,, distance makes the heart grow fonder. and the people that like the game and want to reconnect when it starts back up again will do so. Springs promise of Sun is honored when Winter is Weighed Down on Us.

[@PatrickF.Fitzsimmons]

Been playing wow since day 1 not burnt out. Played ff got to lvl 62 and quit.

[@johankarlsson1776]

The duty support is a very bad system for anyone who wants interesting dungeons. The AI can't handle anything but simple mechanics, so now we can never have anything like the doors on Diabolos or anything similar. The devs have to make the dungeon so something, that can't think at all, can still complete it easily.

[@murknastie6698]

If they dropped a eureka/Bozja zone I would be playing just that for months.. what a missed opportunity

[@obamaorb7426]

Endwalker’s patch content has just been horrible to the point that there hasn’t really been anything worth doing outside of the savage raids and ultimates. Spreadsheet island appeals to almost nobody and V&C dungeons have been a complete failure, dying off in the space of a week because of a lack of any reward structure to them

[@obamaorb7426]

I genuinely believe that 7.0 will see a huge drop off of players until they start to listen to the fans. All they’re doing is trying to balance a fundamentally broken PvP mode (the fact that they consider multi queuing and proper communication as too OP even for casual queues says all you need to know) and trying to appeal to single player gamers whose attention they can’t realistically hold throughout an entire expansion because it’s simply not what they’ll be playing for.

[@anggasurbakti8269]

The island actually worth so much for gatherers and crafters since it give good source for materias for pentamelding. But it causing combat contents becoming less

[@zedorian6547]

I dont think this chat knows what filler is……

[@EdgeGilid]

i mean yeah of course 6.x msq boss fight is going to be predictable since ff4 is a pretty well known ff title. and them being open about it is actually the best way they couldve done it, why should they pretend that its a secret when something is so obvious anyway?

[@aeoyndjuric1679]

I actually like duty support for the few lines the npc gives, it adds a bit more to the lore, I will always do my first run on a new dungeon there first

[@avelinevarlineau7123]

With duty support is definitely more "conversation" going on than with other players. Players just rush through the dungeon - so it's even no time to properly look around. Thats why I will always prefer ds, especially in the first run.

[@benoitrousseau4137]

Meh. I used to think like that, but I realized that doing a new dungeon blind on day one with 3 other people also coming in blind is the most fun that dungeon will ever be for me. I always tell myself I'll return with bots later for the lore, but the truth is I never bother to, lmao.

[@Invie4196]

​@@benoitrousseau4137lmao yea my feelings exactly

[@Lupostehgreat]

So the best thing about Duty Support, other than the lines of dialogue, is that you actually get to LEARN the dungeon. When you are playing with other players, you can't help but feel if you go through DC for the first time and are just dying left and right that you are infringing on the fun of others. Then again, the counter-argument is that said people will not get that nice boost in rewards for you doing it the first time. I usually run DS for a few times as a tank or healer class. I roll DPS if I am doing something for the first time through DF.

[@kmeanxneth]

@@avelinevarlineau7123 yeah, i'm not fan of doing wall to wall in my first time in a dungeon and before duty support I asked my friends to do it with me. :)

[@Daniele-PierreDuLac]

“How old is Zepla?” Three minutes in and he’s already asking the tough questions. 😂

[@kiney4473]

@@Sasquatch_. Almost 50? WTF

[@itsspookie]

People been sleeping on how gorgeous Zepla is for her age.

[@coolyeh1017]

@@kiney4473 I think a gaming site said she was in her 40s and she got really mad at it, it is very likely that she is in her mid to late 30s since she talks about playing earlier WoW expansions in her late teens/early 20s.

[@kiney4473]

@@coolyeh1017 I thought she is like 28 or 30

[@Longlius]

​@@kiney4473 She played WoW when it came out in 2004 so she's almost certainly in her early 30s at youngest.

[@Longlius]

Arthars' wife lurking in the background while he screams at that guy in chat is relationship goals.

[@haleynaga5671]

the fact that they tie the EW relic to hildi and with the reputation people has with hildi. it aint helping hildi at all lol

[@PureFuckingMetal6632]

its not the worse expansion Zepla your just done with the game and coming to term with this fact. I played Path of Exile for 7 years and im finally coming to terms with it. I had plenty of fun with it, no regrets at all . Nothing stays fun forever. Life goes on.

[@Sweepity]

one change i hope comes is removing bullshit level sync, i spent my own time getting to 90 and i cant use my 90 abilities in anything but 90 content, let us use our full kit we have unlocked but reduce our damage the scale with whatever content were doing, cant stand doing low level dungeons and being stuck at low level cus of sync, makes me feel like my time is fuckin wasted cus i dont raid anymore so i dont have anything to do in terms or using my combat :(

[@chaikachan5820]

Yes, Eureka and Bozja worked to create an MMO feel, but even earlier relic weapons helped the overworld game feel more alive even for new/lower level players by forcing you to run older dungeons and revisit the previous expansion zones. There's a gap between the free to play players in their bubble keeping those expansions relevant and active, and the latest expansion content, where the overworld and dungeons for (for now, SB and ShB) where there's very little activity, and this could be boosted by some of that content forcing higher players back down into it to keep it 'alive' rather than dead while everyone is sitting in towns.

[@Lupostehgreat]

So, this is actually pretty constructive criticism and I can vibe with this. I would love for their to be more incentive for other people to play, say, the alliance raids from Heavensward through Shadowbringers by having special drops, pursuits, etc that the hardcores can be incentivised to do, which would help people like myself who just want to grind this content for glamours, fun, etc. Right now 10th Anniversary is probably helping with that, but that will end in a week and we will likely go back to 30 minute or more waits for non-Crystal Tower alliance raids. I would love for there to be something like weekly raids which grant more XP/Gil/loot drops, etc for certain raids so encourage them to be populated more than twice a fucking day.

[@tuduermestrop8474]

I'm very casual gamer, i don't like "hardcore mode" etc... But Endwaler is the worst extension, and maybe the eye opener. I started the game at 5.2. I really like the story, because you have to become the warrior of light and you discover light and darkness are the same, not the story of good one against the bad one. But i was a little bit disappointed : the DJ are the same structure (4 packs of mob, 1 boss, 4 packs of mob, 1 boss, 4 packs of mob and final boss, every along the aisle), and the raids/boss are the same too : big plateforme with the boss in the middle or at the edge. And of course, some part of story like the "gang of lalafel" who should have been the main point of Heavensward disappeared quickly... But when Endwaler is launched, i was so disappointed by everything !!! For exemple : - Story : please, i expected something more "adult", and we got "yeah the power of love of hydaelyn is super fancy" "trust in the friendship yeahhh" ... god, i expected we gotta a neutral position, or the power to choose between ascian and hydaelyn. No, Hydaelyn is right and ascians were wrong... no sorry, i'm not ok ! - Content : nothing news, same kind of dj and raid ... just the color and characters change... the story of 6.1-6.4 is so boring and still "yeah being friend is so cool, look, be my friend, everything will be good after, yeahhhh" - New type of content : making "solo mod" in MMO rpg, i think they were more occupied by the sort of streamers than thousand players playing mmo to play with other players. They create an island to play alone in MMO ... And DJ with a harder level ... Please, MMO is the kind of game where the creativity is possible, where you can do anything !! but with ff14 , the community is happy just with emote to simulate sex in limsa lominsa ...

[@ZephyrFate]

@@tuduermestrop8474 I don't think you understood Endwalker's story if all you got out of it was "Hydaelyn was right, Ascians were wrong." You know Venat was an Ascian, right? And Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeous, also Ascians, help you in the end? The expansion goes to great lengths to show that Hydaelyn Sundering Eorzea came with its own sacrifices and costs. And then to do that over, and over, and over again, further diluting her own power, further pushing Eorzea to losing its aetherial protection against Dynamis... it all culminates in the Final Days happening at some point, because Hydaelyn was only putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. It's extremely adult to examine the cost of trying to save a world, to explore how a heroic sacrifice actually made the world worse. And lol, "friendship overcoming all odds" is about as Final Fantasy as it gets. I don't even know how to react to your weird summary of the patch MSQ.

[@aluminiumthirteen2144]

I started the game in the last patch of Stormblood and I NEVER felt the overworld was engaging. It's a lot of wasted potential. There are many great areas with hidden details.

[@Lupostehgreat]

@@ZephyrFate dude was disappointed for the story he didn't get, I guess? To be fair, it does sound like he is caught up on the Lalafell Merchant Empire conspiracy kinda going nowhere. Nanamo not dying is kinda one of the biggest missed opportunities in the series. I feel like the guys who followed the absolutely best part of ARR (that final mission) just didn't know what to do with it, afterwards, since they wanted to instead focus on the Dragonsong War and introducing The Warriors of Darkness. I just wish they didn't do the stupid fakeout of "well, actually Lolorito was just engaging in some way to get rid of Teleji Adeleji so he played along with the fake assassination so Raubahn would assassinate Teleji." Hell, I barely remember how it ended, tbh. I was just disappointed that it went nowhere. That said, Heavensward was overall an 8/10 and Shadowbringers is at least a 9/10 if not 10/10.

[@Anxsy]

I have always said as a new player (started Nov2021) the difference between me and others is new content feels like "additional content" where new content for others feels like "the only content" because they have completed everything else. That is why I am happy these conversations are happening yet not really engaging with them myself, I trust people like you and Zepla to speak out and work to keep this game good, why would I not trust you guys, you have been the core of the ffxiv twitch space since I started and always showed passion for the game. So I hope newer players like myself remember that its good to enjoy the game and its okay to not be involved in these discussions if they make for feel negative, but these discussions are IMPORTANT and will make the game better when the "additional content" one day becomes OUR "only content"

[@blueray222]

This is a nice take on the current state of things. Anybody who raises problems about the current content cycle leaving them high and dry are more or less told to shut up and be grateful that we aren't *forced* to grind now like we're in the WoW mines, and with concerning frequency. The game was ALWAYS respectful of your time, it had a good balance of things to do if you wanted to pursue them, and freedom to put it down for a while without falling behind in any significant way. The major difference now in EW is that all of the long term content that you COULD do if you so chose has been stripped down to be completable in about a week without even trying that hard, or removed outright. A lot of people seem to refuse to acknowledge the perspective of veteran players now more than ever, shaming and putting them down for expecting more of the game at worst. So it makes me relieved to hear a self-professed new player being understanding of the situation players who have kept up with endgame for a long time are in. These discussions are very important, but all sides need to be willing to have them :D

[@treebush]

bozja made me fall in love with ff14 because it was so different never tried euruka until afterwards. these zones feel like mmos/alive. I was so mad it was cut short because casual didnt like it

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

Bozja was good for what it was but as an actual zone, it sucked horribly. It was ugly, barren, and the scaling was a disaster if you’re not in a group of 30 melting the boss down. Outside of the XP rates and dungeon mounts, the actual rewards were pretty worthless even as Glams. Everything else about it was great though. They needed to work on a few things that were thoroughly undercooked and it would be a staple piece of content, scrapping it entirely is an odd designing when Deep Dungeons exist.

[@TaigaGalette]

only problem with bozja is it was so fucking ugly the zone looked horrible sure its a warzone but the whole place gotta be some ugly ass brown ? cmon now

[@Verpal]

​@@TheTinyTimmyTimTim I still miss those crappy late night DRS run with 40 other idiots early in ShB, it is immensely expensive to run, and ppl argue on discord, but...... I still remember our first clear in vivid detail.

[@prod7906]

Casuals and wow rats are the reason I quit XIV. Once the game was filled with casual shit birds from wow the game just went to shit because thats who SQE listens to. Games complete dogwater now.

[@NemXX2]

This is getting out of control. Endwalker was good. The story was amazing. Yes, we didn't have an exploration zone and it sucks, but that was the only thing it was missing. Its an exageration to say it's bad. Raids were amazing too. Two ultimates for the try hards. Yes, island didn't replace exploration zones and criterion dungeons didn't hit the mark but this is not "bad". It's not as good. Reminds me of how people hated Stormblood for no reason. That was a good expansion too.

[@ItsSVO]

People didn’t hate stormblood as an expansion, most thought the story was poor which is a fair assessment. When it comes to everything else stormblood is probably the best expansion.

[@rumasai]

This was a great watch. Probably one of my favorite reaction videos ever. I'm glad you had as much input to give as you did.

[@bartthas]

The only time I felt real burnout in XIV was after the Ishgard Restoration. I did too many crafts to the point that I was sick of with it, but hey it was worth it, I got my title twice xD. Now in EW, I don't know if I can call it burnout. I still log in every day to do roulettes and other stuff but it feels a bit lonely playing. The biggest downside to EW is content that is boring, because of thatt my FC is kinda dead at the moment and many members became bored with the game or took a break from it.

[@wyzkun]

i actually find it fun doing ishgard restoration. because lots of my friend did it. and it was during the peak of covid. so we talked all night while doing expert crafting. what actually killed my fun playing the game actually when OCE data center open. because i am an english speaker playing in JP data center. lot of my OCE friend moved to that data center, my circle part into two, because i have close friend in both data center. then it is never been the same ever since. and lacking in content also killed a lot of people interest in playing. which snowball into more people stopped playing because their friend also stopped playing. and sometimes the interest to play the game again just never came back anymore.

[@aerialdive]

i ranked in ishgard resto for botanist, 12 hour days for 10 days straight and let me tell you. the burnout i got for diadem is insane. still havent done back.

[@Lupostehgreat]

I have this feeling that all this hand wringing and whining is going to feel dumb as fuck in a year. They seemed to have spent most of their time this cycle fixing pvp, and I have this feeling that the series grinds are probably going to come to pve stuff. Not to mention it looks like Eureka/Bozja-like content will probably be returning next cycle. I also am hoping Variant Dungeons get introduced to all previous expansions, just as they are just finishing DS for all previous expansions. I get that people are pissed because there is no Eureka/Bozja, but I highly doubt that if there were the numbers of players in that content that people keep saying there are, then you will see a new version next cycle. It does seem they phoned in relic weapons this cycle, though. Making it hust tomestones kinda makes them feel less fulfilling.

[@luja5546]

Finally someone says it. I seen newer content creators who are still in like SB and ShB react to this video and are like "this is a bs take ff14 is soo much fun there's plenty to do". Its becuz theyre still new to the game so its all fresh to them. I used to think the same thing but after i finished all the content as far as msq and raids and even casual content like crafting, fishing, gold saucer and side quests i started seeing the flaws that the content creators are talking about. Now this isnt me shitting on ff14 as a whole becuz its still my #1 game despite its flaws but we cant just deny the issues and take offense when ppl give honest criticism.

[@luiz8755]

honest criticism and content creators are opposite things

[@luja5546]

@@jackjohnson8305 Its just like was Arthars said in the video when you love a game you do want to play more or have a reason play more without feeling forced to be on. Like i get your point its nice to have a game you can put down and pick back up at anytime and not have to worry about catching up. However when you have systems in place where people complete in a few hrs and then done with not much replayability, people will quit and do as you say and while thats fine it does suck when you end up with players who have forged friendships with their fc mates or statics and now you dont really get to play with anyone. Atleast from my experience the game is slowly becoming more antisocial. the past 4 fcs ive been in that say theyre active and do events, they only have like 2 people online half the time and no one gets on discord. While i enjoy FF14 for its Story i like the group activitys and fc bonding and right now for alot of fcs that arent part of the clubbing and rp community, that is happening to them now. Also i poorly worded that bit about finished content, what i meant was i finished the main content then dabbled in the casual content and it just wasnt for me as far as a form of endgame, obv you cant please everyone but for people (not saying you) to get mad and triggered when someone states an opinion they have about the game is kinda stupid. They get mad because you dont enjoy the game they play it so they have to send the attack dogs on anyone who says something about the ff14 even if it wasnt in "shitting on the game" way.

[@SinisterPlauges]

@@jackjohnson8305 thanks for beating me to it. People get so caught up trying to find their 1 game instead of enjoying a game for what it is. No game will have limitless content and fun especially when you play it everyday for years. People are like damn I did everything why is there no more content for me to do... I too quit Bloodborne when I got the Platnium trophy lol.

[@SinisterPlauges]

@@luja5546Its cool to meet people online and have group activities in a game to do together, but you could very well achieve that same feeling in another game or in your real life. If those people are in your DIS also bored with 14then so what, your time together is over or will return in Dawntrail. When Yoshi P tells yall to play other shit but you refuse too and then complain about content drought, thats kind of on you at this point.

[@blueray222]

@@jackjohnson8305 The only problem with that take in the current state of the game is that the EW patches have factually, demonstrably, less content to them than any previous expansion's. When you've exhausted XIV's existing backlog of things to do because you've been playing along while it was recent, it becomes impossible to ignore how much quicker a new patch runs dry in EW than previous ones, even though we're still paying the same amount for a month's worth of game time as we always have. Even if you *want* to play it some more because it's what you're in the mood for, most things that could sustained interest over a longer period of time have been gutted in EW, Relic Weapons being the case in point. That's the big problem here, not that people demand endless entertainment from XIV, but that anything that can sustain interest if you WANT to invest more time has severely dwindled, and I consider that a big negative for a game that requires a certain critical mass of players always being active to survive. It's not noticeable to people who are fresh and starting with this huge backlog of old content, and doesn't understand what old patches had to offer, but as someone who's supported this game for almost 7 years at this point, I've never felt more neglected than I have in EW.

[@bean2122]

2nd comment: Idk of everyone feels this way. But I had a few friends who didn’t like that relics where lock behind boja and wish it was a quest that were like ARR just not as grindy. Few peeps I know don’t care for boja but so like relics

[@Lupostehgreat]

There probably were a lot of them, which was likely why they felt okay to skimp on Relic Weapons for this cycle.

[@Irisfantasies]

im actually ok with it being tied to tomes, if every relic had its own story it would be perfect content. believe me... having to run DR a million times to get the fucking items to upgrade the relics on shb was a massive pain in the ass and it made me hate DR mostly because people would never use their essences/actions correctly/properly or just outright be extremely dumb. people suck off way too much content like bozja or eureka when its mid at best

[@Sephvion]

The Eureka/Bozja zone talk really hits home. My most enjoyable memories in this game are in those places, with randoms, who are just having a good time. It was amazing seeing all the people trying to finish up relics, until the last day of Shadowbringers. I really miss having that type of zone. To some people, they find it weird that we're asking for grinds. But the grinds are fun for us.

[@backyardshorts5505]

You're right, i'm 2 years into the game ive reached the glass ceiling and need to find reasons to login rather then playing to have fun. It doesn't help i haven't stepped in to battle content yet the feeling is still there.

[@MightyMango94]

If you can't find a reason to play the game/can't just play for fun then you don't need to play the game ya know, I haven't logged in for almost 3 months and am just waiting for the next patch, which I will play for maybe a week then stop until 6.55. People seem to think that stopping playing the game is a bad thing but even FF16 or Hogwarts Legacy I stopped playing after 2 weeks because I did everything I wanted to in thos games :)

[@backyardshorts5505]

@@MightyMango94 true recently i returned from a 2 mouth break and now being social, housing, and minor goals keep me playing.

[@dango2917]

I have been taking the game at a very slow pace, I am in the middle of stormblood and started the game in 2019

[@Lupostehgreat]

​@@MightyMango94it's because they genuinely think the game will die if they stop. The only thing that will really change things is if you stop your sub. I saw this SOOOO often with Destiny 2 with people complaining endlessly about the game and expecting developers to budge when they keep paying. Bro, the developer doesn't give a dusty fuck about the "community," because there is no clear voice in the "community.". It's the internet, and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. The only thing a dev can OBJECTIVELY point to as a measure of success or failure is sub/sell count. If you have 1000 players complaining endlessly but 100000 subs, you have an angry fucking minority that gets boosted by the algorithm. PVP cues seem to be exploding every fucking evening. The population just shifted. I am not saying no opinion is valid, I am saying no one gives a shit about your whining unless you just unsubscribe, cancel pre-orders for Dawntrail, etc.

[@Lupostehgreat]

​@channelofstuff6662welcome to online games?!

[@moodudable]

in the end everyone plays differently and the devs simply cannot please everyone.

[@Lupostehgreat]

And that is the truly woke position. A lot of people, probably the majority of people, got into the game BECAUSE of the variety of content. It's got more in common with older MMO's, even if the format of older MMO's is kinda dead. People complain that there is nothing to do but sit there and roleplay and I'm like, "...I don't think you actually like MMO's. I think you just wanted a grind game, and would probably dig PoE or D4 much more."

[@mana-azir6808]

Post Endwalker feels is like having finished that series you been following for ages and now you feel a bit empty for a lack of something to yearn for. Post anime blues basically. Eureka and Bozja type content is missed greatly at the same time i do not miss that god awful pagos light grind, or bozja's "collect 10 of X number things with really low drop rates within the bozja zone but high rates outside of it". Mind numbing tedious grinds that feels like i need to rely on people doesnt feel nice. The drought at least keeps these zones filled up to a degree. If EW had its own zone then i doubt people could go back and get progress in their eureka or bozja weapon as effectively now as they are. New tomestones for relic is definitely future proofing and more accessible though cant argue with that.

[@Eauxz]

I didnt like the expansion story wise because so many years of build up to zodiark and it was just a one off boss controlled by a femboy

[@NitDraws]

I'm the target audience for island sanctuary, but I'm sorry to say, if I wanted something like that I'd play animal crossing which does it better. Island sanctuary is a complete waste. I'd rather everyone get a house for free, and it would have taken much less development time, but it would take up more server space. It just felt like they half heartedly developed island sanctuaries. It could have been so much more. It could have even been something you could interact with on mobile. They could have made creature interaction more interesting. Just feels empty to me and something I have to grind to get emotes and outfits. The question that goes through my head is who asked for this? Like 1% of the 1% of the casuals? I just RP in the game and although I have used it for RP, it's not worth resources wasted on it.

[@KoharuSarah]

Fully agree with Arthars ;_; sadness... BORE-OUT

[@ArchanDelon12]

Last 6 months of Shadowbringers my FC had over 100 players logging in daily. After everyone finished 6.0, my FC dropped down to 15 active members. Today we have 3 left. About 20 of us still talk in discord but no one is playing outside raid night.

[@RasnerG]

as it should be, done with the content time to do something else

[@Turamwdd]

That isn't remotely comparable because the game got so much hype from all these streamers leaving WoW to do FF. The spike in numbers that occurred at the end of Shadowbringers directly paralleled when Asmongold began playing and continued from there.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

To be fair to yoshi and staff, they are working on some big overhauls, im sure updating the graphics is not an easy feat, while also juggling ff16 and it's DLC. FFXIV will continue having these issues until ps4 support is dropped or they do an engine overhaul.

[@Lupostehgreat]

True, the PS4 support is going to persist for a hot minute. I don't think we will see that dropped until after Dawntrail.

[@carbonide1290]

“This good medium rare steak needs some seasoning” Thats it, wrap it up, Arthas explained it perfectly

[@xviii5780]

1:16:40 yeah, sure they don't want players to optimize. That's why the gameplay of island sanctuary is 100% managing menus and schedules, like some sort of scuffed factorio lmao

[@bellidrael7457]

I disagree on one point. While it may not be the player's 'fault' that they get burnt out and need to play a different game, it's also not the game's fault. Human Beings aren't meant to have one single form of entertainment for years upon years. It doesn't matter how good a game is, you will get burnt out eventually. People keep saying how it's 'more of the same' and how they want new news, not the same news. But... what would that new news be? Nobody has any ideas, nobody has any alternatives. They are doing new things, adding new things to the game, but people don't like them. They DID try something new this expansion, and people got upset that it wasn't the same as things from past expansion. Basically people don't want new things in the game, they want it to not be the same game anymore. They have twisted their view of the world, where what they are feeling, is the desire to play a different game. But they are forcing that view into, instead of being 'play a different game', they want to 'play the same game, but have it become a different game'.

[@moody5763]

"I'm burned out" No offense to Zepla but yup, there it is. You can be offered the most perfect, mouth watering steak but if that's all you've eaten for months your response at best will be meh.

[@ItsSVO]

Endwalker is a well done steak though not a mouth watering one.

[@moody5763]

@@ItsSVO We'll have to agree to disagree. It wasn't as good as ShB (let's be real what actually is) but it was still a solid xpac in a game where the bar is set extremely high, definitely not an abomination that is a well done steak though lol

[@ItsSVO]

@@moody5763 the jobs all feel the same and some, in summoners case feels like absolute garbage to play with 0 optimisation. The boring and unrewarding content, bosses all feeling like static punch bags because the hitboxes are bigger than the universe and every single boss that isn’t in the wall teleports to the middle to do mechanics etc. the game went from having the most fun mmo combat to whatever the hell this current iteration is. Stormblood was hands down the best expansion for the game in terms of content and job design minus the story but then that isn’t that important in the grand scheme of things. Most casual content is now far too easy to the point it’s impossible to actually wipe now which results in it being a one and done effectively and causes the content to stagnate.

[@moody5763]

@@ItsSVO "Stormblood was hands down the best expansion" And a good day to you too sir

[@TheFalloutization]

vast majority of ffxiv players be lying too, you know 95% of people havnt done EVERYTHING available to them.

[@shakeweller]

Are people actually enjoying all the RNG in TOP? Every mechanic has 5 layers of RNG in them. That makes prog insanely exhausting. You can never muscle memory the fight. One can say that makes it harder, but one of the coolest things about ffxiv was always learning the dance. In TOP every mechanic is DOTH. Which means every pull is substantiolly different. Thats why I hope theyd rather make fights like TEA instead of TOP where you need a conga or prio list for each mechanic.

[@chrislee5268]

Memorizing a single pattern is braindead. Adapting to different patterns takes skill.

[@Pandrawrr]

In terms of content just running out, isn't this just a part of all MMO's? I feel like it's actually impossible to create endless content where you keep coming back for more, day by day, and not feel at least burnt out after a while of doing it. Also some games can accomplish this like Counter-Strike or Valorant for example, but those games are PVP focused and the content is competing against other players. But still, eventually people will get burnt out in games like those as well. So let's keep the conversation strictly to MMO's. I don't play WoW or Guild Wars 2 or any other MMO's so it would be nice to hear from people who do if it's the same on their side.

[@KitaiAryik]

while it IS true that its downright impossible to create content that keeps you "busy" or wanting to log in all the time, buuuuut at the same time, what MMO players in general are saying, especially the vets of any paticular MMO, is wanting to have content that actually is replayable and actually lasts longer that what we have. plus the formula is just straight up stale. its never a good sign when any piece of content, whatever it may be, legit dies in less than a week. if that piece of content is to succeed in a MMO, it needs to A) last and B) provide an incentive to actually do it. like a really good reward like maybe a mount or like a piece of gear for example. and alot of EW doesn't have that at all. which is where alot of this is coming from. nothing in this expansion should die in a week and there is 0 incentive to even do it to begin with so its like why even bother.

[@Pandrawrr]

So what I'm gathering from what you're saying is the reward structure is weak right now. Which yeah I could see. I know that you can get the mount really easily in something like criterion/variant, but do they offer anything else in terms of rewards? Like tomes? I know they don't drop gear, which tbh they should. Maybe they could make it take longer to obtain said rewards, but that also feels like it would feel terrible. Also I know Stormblood and Shadowbringers released with PotD and Bozja respectively, and yeah Endwalker hasn't released something similar in terms of replayable content which is a terribly missed opportunity. Although I'm not gonna claim these are easy to just think up and implement while making them feel fresh from previous releases. It really does seem that FFXIV has suffered a bit in the content department because of YoshiP's split attention, but hopefully that won't be the case in the next expansion coming up or any further patches. @@KitaiAryik

[@KitaiAryik]

@@Pandrawrr YoshiP's attention being split i think is part of the issue whether its being on the board of directors, which wont allow him to leave apparently at this point (being the golden goose with 14) could very well be one of several issues. since his focus is split between 16, 14, and to some extend running SE to a degree. which doesn't help at all. and with criterion rewards are pretty much abysmal to nonexistant at this current point. outside the mount (which can be sold on the market board btw) and maaaaaybe a glam or 2 the ONLY rewards for doing either savage or the normal versions of it is pretty much materia, which is already piss ez to get to begin with, there is 0 reason to even get em in the first place since you can just buy any of the rewards on the marketboard to begin with. so like why even do it. other than to check it out for the first couple days and thats about it. the rewards in 14 have been terrible for yrs. and with gear restricted to dungeons and mostly raids, its difficult to gear multiple classes since the tomestone caps very low with 19 and soon to be upped to 21 jobs next summer with DawnTrail, is a measly 450/week. and i do agree coming up with something like bojza/eureka is never ez to do but if taken out, what do we have that we can do that doesn't die in less than 7 days? that is something that they do need to figure out and it is up to the dev team to do so. while its never an ez thing to do, in the end i think that is something that still needs to be figured out. we MMO players can be a fickle bunch and its never possible to please EVERYBODY and all you can do is make something in the game that can apppeal to as many as possible and keep our attention for more than a couple days. CBUIII just has to figure out how to come up with a system that can be replayable and make use of what is already in the game and give us a reason to actually do it more than a single time or 2.

[@Turamwdd]

@@KitaiAryik Yet Eureka and Bozja were very polarizing. The dev team even had to apologize for Eureka because of how badly received it was. This love for Eureka is relatively recent phenomena.

[@kylereddell]

thank you for occupying a quarter of my workday with this! aside from that silliness, i do appreciate you reiterating and expanding on what Zepla was talking about.

[@N3k0G4m1]

Since abyssos my blacklist is way bigger than my friend list 😅 Btw ur friendlist getting less active isn't a ff14 phenomen... I had that in multiple other games before... It's just ppl being ppl, doing other stuff, creating family, getting older, dying or whatever

[@ChannelRaznoff]

I don't really get this way with games. There are just too many I want to play, so once I reach a point that I don't want to do anything in a game, I go to another one. I just play patches, then go back to my backlog.

[@nezunskyfire292]

9:50, I remember back in Heavensward where we'd be stuck in a dungeon 'cause the tank or healer left, we would ask FC mates to join in-progress to help us clear the dungeon. We would wait around for 3-5 minutes to see if a new one would join queue before asking in FC chat for someone to help us clear. I can't remember even having a moment like that again in *years* where I'd want to ask someone for help.

[@Neurogenesis1251]

Thats weird tbh, I never had the same experience in Heavensward on EU datacenter

[@海外华侨-y5o]

Just had that a few days ago. FC mate was running a dungeon and tank left, literally 10 people queueing the same dungeon to try and go in help xD

[@elizadfera3556]

A way they could work in a new exploration zone and do a revisit to the 13th is by having the death of zeramus have a similar effect as the killing of the light wardens in ShB, where the darkness begins to fade and opens new parts of the 13th like it did with the empty in the 1st.

[@Fndlord]

Thanks for the reaction Arthars, I’m eagerly anticipating Xemo’s reaction 🤣.

[@LiquidSnack]

Endwalker definitely kind of got us in this weird limbo like we beat big boss what now a bigger big boss? Surely can't eb bigger than catastrophe itself so what now? Plus we're now moving into vacation mode apparently but yeah i mostly quit after p8s just spend my time playing other games because man ffxiv burned me out the last 2021-2022

[@blueray222]

It was a bizarre feeling to suddenly be thrown into another "Oh this even *bigger* evil darkness is gonna end the world!" plot when we just had the definitive finale of the entire story. Of all the times I expected to have some narrative downtime, some levity or even slice of life adventures to have a break from the non-stop world ending catastrophes, it would have been now. That's probably why the MSQ has felt so limp in the EW patches, everything was immediately thrown back into the status quo, even the Scion's splitting up didn't last for a single patch.

[@Lupostehgreat]

Eh, this is the Endgame problem all over again. The story MUST go on, and because of that, Thanos just can't be the final boss. I actually hope that Dawntrail kinda skimps on story and just does some random filler that takes you from new activity to new activity, and nothing more. I hope they spend most of their time focusing on the game side of the content. That said, I know I'm in the minority here. FF XIV's story is absolutely fucking solid, I just hate how it eats up so much of the content of the game since I DO play other games and I'm just like "bruh, it's good but we're not talking RDR2, Last of Us, or God of War 2016 here." Not even talking FF9 or old school FFVII. It's just a cool throwback story to really, old school FF like III, IV, and V.

[@falfyr]

This is one of the best pieces of react content I've ever seen.

[@ripvanwinkle3432]

He's asmongolding better than asmongold 🤣

[@OwlNightwind]

"Worst expansion" is a really click-bait title, at that point it's meant to farm views. Although she's made good points, a lot of it is highly debatable. I actually like Endwalker as it is. I won't fight it, but I also don't really feel like watching videos with strong opinions.

[@katiekaliber]

It's about the post base endwalker content. Every postpatch has provided like 1 day of content, everything is simplified, a bunch got scrapped and everybody is logging out not even 2 days after a big patch and the people that are still online are doing stuff from older expansions. It's just in a really sad state right now and not only because we're playing for a long time, but because there is just not a whole lot to do even on patch day. Now that the relic area doesn't exist it feels empty and shallow. I've been playing for 3 years and for the first time i saw almost everyone logging off 2 days after the last patch. This is an mmo so we might want content so we can play? It's not that deep or a strong opinion, we just want content for our 15 bucks a month or we're taking our money elsewhere and ye we do feel sad about it because we love the game when they actually give us content.

[@blanahaha]

I'm sure many other people had this similar experience as me with the relics. I had caught up with the msq like right before endwalkers release so I didn't get to experience the hype that was the relic grinds as they released. So I was really looking forward to endwalkers "bozja" and being able to experience it on release with everyone else. Low and behold my disappointment when A. no "bozja" and B just get 1500 tomestones.

[@bluumberry]

We knew there wouldn't be an endwalker "bozja" ahead of time. And some of us are happy about that. But I don't think anyone is happy that it's just 1500 tomestones, since most of us expected something like anima weapon grind.

[@Longlius]

​@@bluumberry Like even if it was something simpler like, "We added these special level 90 FATEs to a bunch of the Endwalker zones that drop relic materials and you can spawn them faster by doing the regular zone FATEs" it would have been better than what we got now. At least then we could be out in the overworld doing shit. The most fun I've had in this expansion recently has been the gatherer relics because I'll go out, do my grind for it, and encounter random people also doing their grind for it. It feels really nice.

[@undercoverspy123]

HI i'm super happy its just 1500 tomes, I can do literally anything and work towards it. Manderville is the best system.

[@rossker123]

The patch story could have set up future expansions if we actually made any progress on learning to travel between shards like Y'shtola initially stated, but in the end now, we are no closer to that when we started so the whole thing was just pointless.

[@Crowens]

Fuck I had completely forgotten about that

[@Bloomin]

Its the lack of midcore content, replayable content that isn't done in a day or two and that doesn't artificially try to increase its replayability through weekly locks. But considering the plans they announced for 7.0 it seems unlikely to change. Maybe by 8.0 they will listen.

[@celfhelp]

worth considering that maybe the people looking for this type of content are the vast minority; online is an echo chamber and if the devs can see login numbers not dropping by any substantial degree, they can weigh that against these trendy reddit post complaints also worth considering that everyone bitched, moaned, and abandoned things like Bojza and Eureka until they got bored with everything else; the last two months have been the first time i've heard anyone other than Arthars complain about not having a new braindead grind; acting like this is a longstanding issue for EVERYONE is a bit disingenuous

[@Bloomin]

@@celfhelp people have been complaining for far longer, but of course it wouldnt yet have reached the echo chambers of the "everything is fine" part of the community. I think you see how pointless it is to try to boil down every complaint as the result of echo chambers. "The silent always leave first. If citizens are complaining, then it means they still care." Consider these decade-old words.

[@vaan_]

​@@celfhelp Bozja and eureka instances were player capped all the time when current. The people whining don't speak for the people who enjoy the content. Same energy as the people whining about DSR checkpoint when it came out not even having extreme trial clears. They're not part of the discussion.

[@pdoodle]

​@@celfhelpin that case i hope the devs take notice of the log in numbers going down currently :)

[@coolyeh1017]

​​​@@pdoodlethe problem is that the devs know that the log in numbers drop at the end of an expansion. The thing is that the devs plan for this drop every expansion cycle (for things like massive maintenance, internal systems checks, etc.). You can tell because in ShB with the unpredictable influx of new players caught them off guard (though being on a pandemic caused a massive global shortage that didn't allow SE to get new servers in time). Another thing is that according to Lucky Brancho numbers though the number of people have dropped it is still significantly higher than it was back in SB (like a 50% increase, ShB is a bit unreliable due to the outlier conditions). So the devs know there is a drop of players from 6.0 but not enough for them to worry too much if people come back for 7.0 or 6.55 (players getting into the pre-expansion marketing groove that inevitably happens), if the number coming back don't hit early 5.0 levels then they might worry.

[@justaman4887]

Arthur puts asmongold to shame with how much he stops the video and talk

[@marinatedoctopus5706]

I'm definitely newer compared to loads of people, having started in 2020. But walking in Gangos for the first time and seeing so many people participating in the same content felt like I was playing the mmo part of 14. And it wasn't even Bozja, it was Gangos! I feel for people who got to endgame after EW, not being able to experience that as current content is a shame

[@Kuroganemk2]

Think people forget how important the story was in FF14 and after Endwalker 6.0 it has been going down hill and felt like filler content.

[@katiekaliber]

We didn't forget, i can't take another patch with a therapy session with krille ever again or i will sue them for emotional damage. But in the end it would have been a lot easier to swallow if we had some fun things to click our buttons at and there is just nothing :(

[@FLOSSTUM]

what i do to combat burnout is try to 100% all the side content and change what im working on every few days, so finish the achievement log, hunting logs, collect al mounts and triple triad cards, all MGP items, get all classes to 90, get the best gear and weapons for all classes, get all pvp rewards, complete fishing log, unlock all blue mage skills and masked carnival levels etc.

[@Irisfantasies]

which is what most people do but if you look closely at content creators they heavily focus on one aspect of the game so at the end they run out of stuff to do in 14 so they cant play it anymore regularly... thats why you get people like xeno, arthars or here zepla which are complaining about the state of the game (and they do have their points im not saying they're wrong) but they are heavily biased at the fact theres no content "they" like in the game for them to do more of.

[@cannoli2442]

Bro if DSR was the ultimate that followed after e8s then it would of been perfect

[@HarumiYu]

Why Zepla always looks desperate? KEKW But I agree with almost everything said, and I really dislike people Whiteknighting a multi bilionaire company like SE, treating like this is a small indie company, moslty people who defend are new to the game, and probably play casually so did not reached the limit of stuff to do, sadly, and talk those things about the game is really important, people who like this game and see their flaws, are not haters to point out and criticize, just want the game better. The main problem in FFXIV for sure, as mentioned is replayability, some contents are like "hello, here is your first time and last time pass, and here we will gate keep you not for your enjoyment, but for your weeklies, and also this 'cool' dungeon you will just rush like a chore just to get your tomes".

[@coolyeh1017]

Though she has a point, I think a lot of her viewers (and subsequently her income) are from those who play FFXIV. When there is a content lull it hurts her bottom line and with her being forced to flee Eastern Ukraine due to the Russian Invasion (which means she lost her day job), I get it. Even though she plays other games she doesn't get as many viewers as whenever she plays FFXIV, when more people leave FFXIV (temporarily or permanently) she loses potential income. I think the white knighting can be a bit much from the community, but simultaneously I can understand and sympathize with what Yoshi P has to go through as a project manager. He has to assess the situation while trying to predict the future and fix backend problems emerging from a pandemic (where according to him they lost a few good workers) while being split between his duties as a Board Member and director/producer of two AAA games in a company known for executive meddling and mismanagement.

[@TheDimsh]

Man I fucking loved stormblood, not sure if it was because I was still fresh in the game, because I started around the end of Heavensward, but damn SB was actually super fire, the raids were fun, the mechanic changes were fun, TANKING was fun (not anymore sadge), but I think the reason why ppl are burning out is because the game is always playing it safe, it always sticks to the same formula so much so that even before an expansion releases you already know which patch will bring which content. It's getting stale and maybe it's time for some riskier changes edit: what happened to the 50-man savage raids man, it was SO SICK , why didn't they make more, holy shit

[@LeonStarcrestVODs]

This entire video is SUPER entertaining and accurate that I actually sat through the whole 2 hours with full attention, I love it! But my favorite part of the video was hands-down 7:25 when Arthars mentions Rich still collecting his thoughts. I was DYING of laughter for several minutes straight and had to replay that segment so many times just to get over it omg! 😆 The line delivery was just so good and completely caught me off guard when I first heard it! 🤣

[@Owl90]

Such great timing. Made me laugh hard.

[@mikehawk4886]

"Current expansion is the worst expansion yet!" *a couple expansions later* "Man the old expansions were so good" many such cases

[@Thienthan]

The game has been dead ever since everybody decided to ditch their Data Centers to do PF in Aether. I legit do not feel like logging in anymore now that there are never any listings on PF.

[@BigChilla420]

True.. gettin pissed when they tell me to try Aether for PF, they dont understand if I have to go there enough times I will move permanently.

[@DrkRyu]

I appreciate the low amount of content because it gives me the time I need to catch up with everything until Dawntrail. I'm close to becoming an omnicrafter and don't have to worry if my time is "wasted".

[@WrexsolToob]

I've been thinking about the relic quests and it almost sounds like they are repositioning relic weapons to supplant and potentially even replace the tomestone weapon as a gearing option. Maybe there will be some kind of 'artifact' weapon that would bring a new grind to the table. It's all just a theory, a game theory, but I think it would bring a refreshing take to the table. Also, the current relic weapon 'grind' reminds me of when WoW introduced 'welfare epics' with the badge vendors. I think the overall sentiment is very similar.

[@CoreStarter]

the relic weapons on content is always worse then the tome weapon, when anabaseios dropped the tome weapon had more weapon damage, and so did the p12s weapon, relic weapons will always remain a late tier parsing option and a ultimate gearing option

[@iftijawad6267]

this void story arc doesn't feel majorly important like the build up to ShB but I still find it somewhat interesting. This doesn't change the fact the content is just one and done

[@Irisfantasies]

it is content that will be one and done but i do believe its setting the base for reflection travelling at some point, so we can freely go from every reflection of the source (y'shtola still wants to go to the 1st and grab some hroth conk) and it will be explored in dawntrail to a completion so we can actually make a new story revolving that maybe

[@froozen6294]

I guess that's ok to do a year-two break from ff, but the housing and fc system is fucked up. You have to visit this game each mounth to keep your fc/house, thats dumb (i am owning fc just for submarines) Long breaks would be less stressful if you can like put some money inside your house to keep it being your while you not playing or something like that, but yoshi wont do it. Guess why? Do breaks but keep paying.

[@OuchXXI]

SE dropping relic quests/grind was a boneheaded decision. Reward structure for criterion sucks, it'd be nice if you got gear that you could use or unique cosmetic items, but nah everything you can just buy off the mb. SE hasn't had any innovation to their gear formula in a decade, if you don't do savage raids you won't ever have the best gear. Maybe it's time to try something new? I'm not sure mythic plus dungeons like WoW has could work in xiv, but an alternative way to gear would be a breath of fresh air.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

All of these criticisms apply directly to FF16 as well and it’s unsurprising. Pretty and narrow “zones” with nothing in them, itemization so shallow that is not even worth mentioning, build variety non existence, all of it in service to some “optimization” that just sucks the fun, character, and charm out of the game. Ffxiv has no room for spontaneous player exploration. The patch cycles are predictable down to the letter, the jobs are all homogenized, the new zones are all window dressing with nothing in them, etc. It’s a shame and I hate to see it go down this path. Yoshi and his crew are great at what they do, but what they do is cater to an audience instead of creating a compelling product that has a vision. They should be pushing the envelope with new idea. and convincing the players of their merit by executing it well, not just reading data and eliminating any system friction and player agency.

[@lightknightgames]

I'm confused about what the JP community is saying, because the JP community is going to have a more direct line of community support, right? So what is the sentiment in that language sphere :?

[@Direwolf13PS3]

I like how much easier it is to change stats, but the grind to get the weapon is bland. I started playing just before Shadowbringers launched. I ground out all of the PLD relics other than Eureka because that place was completely empty whenever I would go in. Endwalker's relic designs started bland (Amazing), got a little interesting (Majestic), and then they just became generic (Mandervillious). They don't have the visual punch of the previous designs and the grind to get them isn't even memorable. There's no sense of dedication or a goal to achieve, its just 'okay here you go'. With the previous relics I have good memories of grinding out the older relics, even the Atma grind.

[@thechairman1317]

For me the payoff to the story just fucking sucked. The build up was PHENOMENAL, everything was great until you reached the end of Endwalker and everything is just magiced back to life and the good guys win and everyone goes home. That's fucking boring, this is about the 5th time they've just killed of Scions just to bring them back for shock factor, and each time the characters become more and more bland to appeal to their shallow fanbase that just wants hot characters to suck their dick over every little thing they do. Take the Crystal Exarch for example, AMAZING character, reduced to a fucking Adoring Fan clone who's only purpose is to be on screen and make the community go "Haha cute cat boy eat burger", he should have just died at the end of ShB and that's the end. Characters used to actual have CHARACTER back in HW, they all had motives, aspirations, story arcs, they actually grew. Now they just live to suck off the WoL and that's it. Outside of the story EW content was alright, as always the savage content was a banger but that's really it. It's not enough to make me want to keep playing. (And I don't)

[@walwal6449]

im only like 5 month into the game but i feel like im getting burned out, there is still so much things i want to do... i started getting into raiding despite this late into the tier and i havent even fully caught up with the msq xD

[@lobete]

Why do people think the changes to relic was done out of laziness and lack of people? Rather than just a purposeful design decision since these time sinks towards too specific a content type was an annoyance to most people? The change didn't remove content as implied. It didn't lesson what there is to do. It simply expanded what you could choose to do for your grind, you do the new stuff because you want to and not because it is the sole path to the weapon. I'm glad they aren't like "hit 1000 fates in this one specific zone and do this criterion 70 times." And NO, you couldn't "choose what to do" back then in ShB. You were stuck doing those fates and Bozja raid grinding. If you didn't do it, you didn't get your weapon. NO, you didn't loose content, new stuff is just separate. How up your own @ss do you have to be to call OTHER people selfish when your biggest complaint about relics is that the efficacy strategy is different content than where you want it when the tradeoffs were more choices for people? Zero self-awareness. I see what all of this crying is actually about: The design decision to not have a Euerka/Bozja. They put that development time into new stuff like criterion and crystalline conflict and other things that are, quite frankly, better received and loved by the community. It isn't like Eureka/Bonza was some staple of the game, it was an experiment they only attempted in half of the expansions we've gotten with mixed to negative results. And I say that as someone who LIKED Bozja and wants to do more Eureka. It's shelf life just isn't there though, it isn't as useful to the game long term and people didn't want to run it outside of their short-term relic grinding. If we got one in EW, it would LITERALLY already be "dead content" in the same way you call Criterion. But, at least we get to choose.

[@chrislee5268]

We're getting longer waits between patches, then the patches have less content than before, then the content is so braindead you can finish it all in 4 days, and then the way you play the content has gotten so simple and homogenized.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

I think one of the core problems to FF14 is tha despite being a game for everyone, doesn't mean it has what everyone needs. Some of the casual player demands: More housing, more gold saucer games, more dungeons with NPC, and some of them complain the extreme trials are too much. Some midcore/hardcore player demads: More difficult trials, gear system needs to change, the watered down rotations need to go away, and the delay between patches. Having said that, people doesn't mention oftenly the big elephant in the room which is Square. With FF14 being one of the most sucessful if not the most successful MMO at the moment, they don't feel the need to improve. They are managing the game in a super safe mode. Kinda like Nintendo when it makes consoles that are like 2 gens behinds in terms of technological specs, but still sell like hot cakes. Square won't make the effort to increase the budget and bring in more content that is not the typical "new scenario, new fights, new recipes". We have been dancing to this tune over 10 years. As long as they don't see their player base shrinking a lot, they won't have anything to worry about.

[@cameronclark321]

The pvp is SO BAD! i keep hearing people say that its pretty good but i love pvp and for me its completely fallen off. i hate how the jobs actions have continued to be cut down to button mashing 4 buttons, they ruined pvp in endwalker for me and i was hoping it was going to get better. crystalline conflict broke my heart and is part of the reason I quit logging on. I want a true Ranked Arena mode where you can play jobs with their full toolkit.

[@TomRupert]

I'm a casual and Endwalker is fine for my couple hours a day. But i can see how endwalker feels 'empty' for her since she has 8 hours a day to fill and has already done everything in the game but doesnt want to do TOP

[@Lupostehgreat]

Yeah, streamers are having a rough go of it because it's just not a game conducive to maining as a streamer unless you raid or do PVP. Asmongold said he noticed when Endwalker first dropped that once you run out of MSQ the viewers leave. That's because FFXIV viewers are mainly there for react content to the MSQ, not the game, itself. That does not mean the game is bad, just that it is not CoD where the skill ceiling is so high that watching a professional will give you more insight into the game and encourage you to watch. I wouldn't watch someone grind out Night in The Woods or Dear Esther, either, or play Resident Evil 4 Remake for every day for 8 hours at a time, either. You don't get anything out of it. Now, this does not mean that there is none of that in the game, as you can see from Raiders, or from watching Pint try to get the world record on Kugane Tower.

[@JustinK0]

I dont know how she can complain that endwalker is "predictable" but at the same time complain about the things in endwalker that were done differently, like having extra trials in the patch story rather than a separate story for it and also having varinnt/criterion dungeons/island sanctuary while skipping on a bozja type zone. endwalker patch quests / ff4 spoiler... golbez dies in ff4.. patch patch quests for endwalker? He diesnt die,, didnt predict that based on existing knowledge of ff4.. 1:12:50 sbh trial questline fights were literally taken from ff7 as she said, sapphire, ruby, emerald and diamond so anyone that played ff7 could clearly guess what was coming.. so thats such a stupid argument to act like thats a reason for the EW ones being bad but not a reason why the sbh ones were bad.. other than the boss fights themselves the sbh trial story was the backstory of Gaius Baelsar.. like wise the story of the the patch quests (b/c its like ew trial questline was included in the patch content) goes into more details about the voidsent and the thirteen that weve been hearing about the entire game.. they are both " questions answered" content.. so it doesnt matter if it doesnt lead into anything else in the future.

[@breakthecode4634]

I could believe zepla being that age. She wears an ungodly amount of makeup.

[@johankarlsson1776]

Problem with the "grind" for relic in EW, is that 1.5K tomes is NOTHING, you get that just from capping your weekly tomes. When you can get the relic done day one, it's really bad.

[@Orgrawr]

He says Shadowlands... me: YEEES FUCK THAT XPAC... Shadowlands was the reason i commited to ff14 and nos its my main MMO and i only play WoW on the side.

[@Zantetsudex]

It honestly felt like the past two years were them using us to cushion the wasteful expense of their miserable failed projects. Avengers and Forspoken tanked so hard they shut down an internal studio? No worries, let's milk the loyal FFXIV player base!

[@madtrade]

they did the same thing that slowly killing all the mmo because of few fuckheads with loud voice screamed heavy and loud that they don't want to grind for shit. BUT there is a world apart between 'doing shit daily for 2 hours and 'just raid log dude'' but in the end . if there is nothing exciting to grind a tons of player will leave out the game once their reach their 'goal' and you see ppl leave for months. but if you have something to grind for you get more ppl connected daily and more interactions and then more activities. it's a vicious circle. don't kill them with "daily requirement ' but at least give something for the degenerates ! they are the guys that make guilds , the economy etc and keep the group content alive ! i love how diablo 3 take care of this. if you have 20 minutes just do some adventures and grab a few materials for your crafting. oh you are almost BIS ? hey why don't you try to get some even more powerful legendaries? you can refine your equipment for a loooooong time before being 'complete' and even if you ain't looting shit you still get more paragon points. it keep the hardcore player 'online' and so you still get ppl to group with and it make everyone happy

[@faroukleonhart4678]

ill come back after I finish ff7 rebirth , til then u guys behave :p see u soon !

[@xecyc7951]

Can't really get burnout in ff14, there are no dailies, weeklies, monthlies, no fomo bullshit, you just do the content and then put the game down because you did everything, burnout implies you're doing something over and over again with no end in sight, chores burn you out, forcing yourself to play the game because you're a ff14 streamer burns you out, but that's not the game.

[@johankarlsson1776]

Maybe FF should just remove subscription, and start charging 5-10 bucks per patch, since they obviously don't want us to play the game all that much?

[@brycemoose7026]

The actual tombstone weapons are more of a grind than relics because you gotta wait 7 weeks to get one lmao

[@edgyguy7084]

I dont get the mythic raid mentality. Rn at the end of the patch our guilds heroic raid is dead because we grinded out the season and "could" in theory try out mythic and maybe improve. But first of all we got someone in our heroic raid group that already does mythic raids at the side and cant join in due to lockouts, others are not on our server or even on the other faction... cant enter that way aswell... Achievement here or there it wont matter for mythic players how or in what form u enter, this argument from Ion only hides that they know they make money out of this shitty mentallity bcause of the Server-Transfer and Faction-Switch sails, its as simple as that...