Electricians Day Installing Google Nest Protect Smoke Alarms

[@artisanelectrics]

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[@mathman0101]

I completely agree with Cory the use of those old work boxes in ceiling should be the go to standard instead of hidden away Wago boxes this makes them more accessible and better box space for wiring connections and improved testing. This should be the go to standard for light fittings as well and that also allows automatic fixings as well. That’s the recommended approach in the USA where we are not allowed to have non-accessible junction boxes.

[@anthonybenson4917]

I fitted two of these over 5 years ago they work very well one mains powered the other battery and have only just changed out the Lithium batteries. In that time Google took over from Nest which has made my setup of them with the wifi a little more complex than the original install with Nest. Apart from it not being advisable to fit them in kitchens I think they recommend hallways landings and locations where TVs and PCs are used. I can honestly say I have never had a false alarm from mine and they are a quality product that is reliable. The icing on the cake would be working with Apple Homekit which they don’t currently unless you use a Homebridge device for that would of course also bring the possibility of working with the Nest Thermostats you fitted recently as well.

[@richardcornelius220]

Recognise that house from the doorbell installation vid. Just finished installing 14 of these, the 2 beeps go off all round the house when testing puts a smile on my face.

[@brianlopez8855]

I liked the junction box in the ceiling solution as it saved the messy conduit on a retro mains power fit installation from the ceiling rose.

[@Stuart-AJC]

Those Nest Protects don't have a CO2 alarm they are CO (Carbon Monoxide) alarm - big difference

[@jaderobinson1469]

I can describe to this guys channel because he’s amazing

[@garethblake3941]

Hi, just a thought but does the plaster board insert box provide fire integrity when used in a ceiling? I do know that there are boxes available with intumescent protection built in to them which might be a better option in that kind of situation. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

[@robertburrows6612]

That ceiling was not fire integrity ceiling it only had on layer of plasterboard, and ceil or walk that has a fire integrity would have two lays of plasterboard, if you do come across a fire integrity wall or ceiling or you need to do is put an intermittent pad into the back of the box

[@DonDraperVideos]

Great tip on saving the covers. Will be doing a kitchen remodel after these are installed so thanks for that tip.

[@gggggppppp]

Your a great electrician really enjoy seeing your work

[@mpurcell2004]

Good idea with the plastic cover following installation but perhaps a warning streamer of similar should be put on it to advise the customer to remove before use. I would not be surprised to see some of those covers still in detectors several months after an install.

[@gtherat]

The Nest Protect documentation says to install it a minimum of 3m away from cooking appliances - it seems the position you’ve chosen may be too close to the hob?

[@robswingler]

No fire rating on a plasterboard back box in a ceiling

[@roydowling2542]

Would be very ironic if the thing designed to pick up a fire in the House actually started the fire..

[@garethblake3941]

Totally agree with your observation to the possible fire risk which ironically might be instigated by a fire detection device!!

[@blong0]

Would be ok if it was a non inhabitable space above (unlike in the video). However you can get fire rated dry lining boxes.

[@danielsmith7251]

I was under the impression you only need fire rated when on 3+ floor dwellings? Typical 2 storey houses do not need fire rated recesses…correct me if I’m wrong

[@somewaresim]

Great little devices. I have three of the battery-operated ones in my house.

[@tonyjover]

Stop saying CO2... please :)

[@tonyjover]

@@Sorbzski99 only if you’re referring to Carbon Dioxide. Carbon MONoxide is CO, not CO2

[@tomrolfe3702]

I have just stumbled across a tool in the U.S called cable claw x 2 models. I was going to order all plastic long nose pliers to work on consumer units but I think that these are really useful. Also if you use Werner step ladders, with some models you can interlock various boxes and tools to them which I find very useful.

[@ForTheBirbs]

A nice bit of kit Jordan! Another tip from Cory. Good stuff

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@marcusstonham]

How well do these do in kitchens with burnt toast and general cooking etc?

[@marcusstonham]

@Ellis The DJ just smoke and co

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

@@marcusstonham Google website says it has a heat and humidity sensor?

[@Buxtonchappy1]

Hi nice vid. Very thorough. I've currently got 3 smoke detectors wired in my property. Just wanted to replace one for now with the nest one. Would that cause an issue with the other 2? Cheers

[@scarcxy]

Thank you for this video. After that do you do your Ze, Zs, PFC, PSCC and the rest of the tests?

[@garethshaw5210]

Great video guys. Looks like a fantastic product that I never knew existed. I will be fitting these in my home. Thank you. 👍👌

[@scottmulligan912]

That nest smoke alarm isn't a heat alarm, it will be going off every time that there's a bit of smoke in the kitchen.

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

How so? Google website says it has a heat sensor?

[@Stuart-AJC]

@@ItzD3fW1sH Agreed

[@markgayle5453]

ItzD3fW1sH they are not heat alarms simple

[@ItzD3fW1sH]

@@markgayle5453 OK but what's the heat sensor doing then..?

[@markgayle5453]

Read the spec they have a split sensor , co & smoke , anyone who's says their an electrical contractor knows that , are you a diy enthusiast. I have spoken on numerous occasions with nest reps at trade shows. Try going to Scotland to fit them with their new smoke alarm laws. They are specifically FORBIDDEN.

[@SultansKitchen1]

Thanks for a great video. These Nest Smoke / Carbon Monoxide Alarms are very neat piece of kits. Good stuff.👍🏼

[@neiltrevatt]

I take it that those 2 old positions were interlinked did you try and see if you could remove the link and just move the other cable over to your new alarm and no need for jb and I would have left alarms off those covers can easily fall off or be remove

[@ionutonea1537]

Hi. Thank you for your video, nice and clear. One question: in 2 story house I replaced 2 alarms on ground and in 1st floor but Not on 2nd floor and it s happen that in every 5 min the alarms start very noisy. Any ideea why ? Many thanks.

[@Ted_E_Bear]

Great information about the nest !

[@lewistempleman9752]

Does cutting a plastic back box into the cieling reduce the integrity of the plasterboard as a fire barrier?

[@robertburrows6612]

That ceiling was not a fire integrity ceiling as it was only one layer of plasterboard

[@brianhewitt8618]

unfortunatly, yes it does, if its not a false ceiling set away from the original floor/ceiling construction, then it was never designed for holes to be put in it, no matter how how many layers of board there are, extra measures are required to maintain its integrity, at the very least, intumescent pads or hoods

[@tomorichard]

@@brianhewitt8618 see above , not a fire barrier forming a fire compartment

[@brianhewitt8618]

​@@tomorichard Hi, im not sure exactly what your refering to but the original question was "Does cutting a plastic back box into the ceiling reduce the integrity of the plasterboard as a fire barrier?", fire barrier or protection from spreed of fire in this instance amounts to the samething and unfortunatly, yes it does, if its not a false ceiling set away from the original floor/ceiling construction, then it was never designed for holes to be put in it, no matter how how many layers of board there are, if in doing this works you must use extra measures as required to maintain its integrity for fire protection, and to comply with this at the very least is to use intumescent pads or hoods, hope this helps

[@edc1569]

​@@robertburrows6612 in domestic installs pretty much every ceiling is expected to have a level of fire resistance

[@Daniells1982]

First install I've seen of these. Very impressive. I know these have been about for a while so I'm a bit late to the party. Just wonder how reliable they are. One thing I do is I always over sleeve and earth any unused cores in a cable, in the unlikely event a fault could cause the conductor to become live and it's just floating and doesn't trip the protective device.

[@milkboccle]

I have had the battery ones for about five years, they are still fantastic, only had to change the batteries once, the first set of lithium batteries supplied lasted just under five years

[@CameraTim-DAMMITDOTcom]

I didn't think a CO/CO2 detector would usefully work at ceiling level. The ones we have installed instruct they should be mounted around head height or lower (such as on a side table near a gas fire) at breathing level (where your mouth and nose are). The gas is heavy, or similar to air, and will asphixiate you as it rises up from the level of the floor, or disperses through the room

[@buckyswider1]

The vapor density of CO (Carbon Monoxide; CO2 has nothing to do with these units) is 0.97- or slightly lighter than air, which is 1.0. So yes, it mixes well with air. If you have a concentration of CO high enough to cause a hazard, a unit mounted on the ceiling will almost definitely sound with enough advance notice to keep you safe.

[@MA-tk5lm]

Since there is no interlink cable, will all alarms still go off together when one is activated since they're smart and linked to WiFi?

[@kalumhale5429]

I was under the impression that Nest alarms can't be installed

[@andrewbrown9047]

Iv had this same query before the manufacturer datasheet states this Which means this install would void the warranty due to not being installed to manufacturers recommendation

[@stuartmckay3303]

That was my understanding. I looked at installing in kitchen space but the google web site has kitchens listed under the not recommended area. It does caveat this with the statement they can be installed at least 3m from “cook tips or cooking appliances”. As mentioned they are smoke and O2 not heat.

[@AnthonyNicholson-w3g]

Fast fit boxes! Y didn't I think of That! Thanks!

[@omfd100]

Been asked by inspector to install wire smoke alarms in my house would these pass current regs?

[@jordanfabb2705]

Thoughts on the maintenance free Hager boxes?

[@Daniells1982]

I rate them mate. They carry the MF symbol and all in one box without the separate connectors, box and tie wrap.

[@petermichaelgreen]

IMO the hager/ashley boxes are good for the simpler situations and because they are "one piece" there is less to screw up (for example with the wagobox series if you want the MF certification to be valid you have to match the right terminals to the box and/or use adapter plates). OTOH they are certainly less flexible than the wagobox series, with only 4 cable entries, only 4 independent terminals and only supporting conductors up to 4mm² I can see from a sparkies point of view that if you need to carry wagos and wagoboxes to handle the tricker cases you may as well just use wagos and wagoboxes for all your MF needs.

[@billsbasementworkshop1902]

You can get inserts for the wago boxes which turn them into a 221 wago box. If you have a lot of 22 wago boxes then it might save you some cash.

[@richardsmith8451]

Does the plasterboard box stop the alarm from sitting flush on the ceiling?

[@jordankidd8789]

Also with the junction boxes 221s fit in those slots the (lever) style

[@XX0ST]

Hi Jordan, non-spark here I'm just wondering as I saw a post on Facebook of an EV Charger attached to a 13a Plug, having done a quick search online they're on Amazon for less than £200, any thoughts on these and consideration for testing them out?

[@owendavies5988]

I can't find any information that this Product is suitable for kitchens as it doesn't have a heat alarm, can you please advise

[@Chris_In_Texas]

6:25 You just reminded me as well, that the same thing happens on the AFCI breakers in the US as well, if you tie Neutral and ground it will trip those as well. That is without any GFCI protection on those breakers, just the AFCI by itself. Would be interesting to know if you do that to your AFDD breakers with the combo RCBO which does the breaker think it tripped out on, arc-fault or ground fault? Which blink code does it give?

[@tonyp2878]

Think it also covers the heat. So its 3 in 1. Isnt it?

[@marcusstonham]

Just smoke and Co. Not heat

[@marcusstonham]

I can guarantee that these do not detect heat. If you need absolute confirmation then check their website

[@clark5551]

How does this comply with BS 5839-6:2019 for fitting into a kitchen?

[@gordonbennett2945]

They don’t unfortunately. Looked at them earlier in the year to comply with the updated Scottish legislations for Feb 2021 to have smoke detectors on each floor, main living area, heat in kitchen and carbon monoxide beside gas boiler etc. However they are explicitly called out on the government information website as non-compliant with that very BS standard: www.gov.scot/publications/fire-and-smoke-alarms-in-scottish-homes/ ... “Please note: the Nest Protect System will not meet the standard. This is because they do not meet the requirements for a heat alarm under the relevant British Standard. British Standard (BS 5839-6:2019) makes it clear that only heat alarms should be installed in kitchens” So until they release an updated product that will meet the requirements, stuck with the traditional providers by the looks of it :(

[@arod9998]

@@gordonbennett2945 yeah I had to take out all my nests for this reason as they need to be interlinked to a heat alarm to meet the new regs in Scotland. So replaced mine all with fire angel smoke, carbon and heat alarms. Would be good if nest did a heat alarm version so I could have kept my nests instead but unfortunately not.

[@clark5551]

Thanks, that’s what I thought, they didn’t comply but was surprised at Jordan fitting one in the kitchen. So England has a different set of regs and don’t need to comply with the BS 5839-6:2019?

[@clark5551]

@Ellis The DJ the regs say ONLY a heat alarm can be fitted in a kitchen and these combine heat, smoke and co. Therefore do not meet the regulations as has been pointed out below. I’m curious if England don’t have to comply with the same regs as in Scotland or if that they just ignore the specific part of the regs that makes them unsuitable. What would the comeback be should the worst happen and insurance don’t pay out due to not complying with the regs. I’d love to have nest fitted but it’s just not legal in Scotland but as it’s due to a British standard, then can’t see how these can be legal in England either. 🤷‍♂️ be helpful if Artisan Electric could comment.

[@marcusstonham]

@@clark5551 only smoke and Co. Not heat

[@jontownsend8090]

They look tidy and so 2020s. My hard wired Kiddie smoke alarms are going a bit yellow and over 10 years old now. It is time to upgrade to a speaking smart pollution alarm.

[@BrianWrenn]

Smoke and heat cables were probably linked, why not fit the nest on the supply cables and pull out the link cables? 🇮🇪

[@artisanelectrics]

Cables weren't long enough unfortunately

[@dang8795]

Probably is a great product but wish they would offer a version with hard wired interlink

[@mattsan70]

It's CO not CO2

[@ThePeterhodgkins]

C02 alarms?

[@jonbailey6928]

I picked up on that mate i think he meant CO alarm as that is Carbon Monoxide Co2 is Carbon Dioxide

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah silly mistake

[@sam020885]

yes, I thought CO2 was carbon dioxide, why would you fit them. CO carbon monoxide now that's a different kettle of fish

[@jordankidd8789]

Just realised the 3 pack is around £50 more expensive than buying them individually through the links?

[@MyHU2Journey]

How come the nest didn't actually get any wires put into it and you put all the wires in wago connector blocks ?

[@markgayle5453]

They have flylead which plugs into smoke alarm & you connect to your supply via those, I personally do not like that , as when being replaced their is a danger of an electric shock if not isolated at mains. When you buy aico alarms the connection are totally enclosed & you can know link their new ones to the internet . Far better

[@hogg8888]

i hear that these things are not compliant with building regs as there is no heat detector available

[@Danjls-Long]

How often should you change your smoke alarms

[@markgayle5453]

Read the manufacturers instructions . Aico it's 10 yrs

[@Danjls-Long]

@@markgayle5453 Ok thank you

[@Sculptoroid]

Did you get Knipex 6 in 1 tool?

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah it’s great

[@tommymack3210]

3:48 Knipex Cobolt are even better for cutting screws and bolts.

[@stephencoulthard1718]

My NWS ones have a 3.5 screw cutter near handle, very clean.

[@Chris_In_Texas]

Drinking game, 🍻🍻 Every time he says CO2 take a drink! CO is the correct chemical name, but no worries, great video! Keep up the good work Jordan! 👍👍

[@artisanelectrics]

🤣👍

[@9plusinstalaciones]

That test was as loud on my phone and the Protect next to me.

[@robertburrows6612]

Naughty Naughty cutting pattress screws to length , you should have various length pattress screw in the van ,. I do a lot of home automation , I do use dry lining boxes with a blanking plate ,in the ceiling as an enclosure for wifi switches for lights there ideal for a sonoff mini

[@marcusstonham]

Where does it say you can't cut down screws 🤣

[@kriskay2771]

Hi Jordan, is that definitely compliant installing them nests so close to a cooker in a kitchen? I was going to install them in my new build property but I'm put off because I'm reluctant to get rid of the heat alarm in the kitchen for a nest smoke alarm. Surely that one there you have installed in the kitchen will forever be nuisance activating? Cheers.

[@johncoe530]

Another great video. With regards to the Wagobox, it’s possible to get some inserts that fit the non 221 boxes, this then makes the 221 connectors fit snugly. I’ve only found these here (www.screwfix.com/p/wago-221-connector-inserts-20-pack/822fv) at the moment.

[@ro63rto]

There are 3 neighbors with nest doorbells that I can hear while I am inside my house. Why the hell does the bell sound OUTSIDE the house.

[@artisanelectrics]

🤣

[@timburton1080]

Had them in my old house, not sure I'll bother here as the smart stuff isn't that smart. They often skip the whole warning and go straight to alert, and cooking often sets them off when the more traditional one near it was fine. One time I did actually have a small fire, traditional alarm went off and nest was silent.

[@huyongquan6554]

I don't know whether it is a best practice to install smoke alarm in kitchen. Nest has not produce heat & Co alarm, at 0:53 you mentioned is nest do everything, actually it is smoke & co. but in kitchen we actually need Heat & co, so nest doesn't apply this demand, we should to seek Aico or others.

[@dc-sd3gd]

How much are these?

[@stupot_64]

Around £100 each.

[@Dog-whisperer7494]

Rip off . Another piece of modern technology to go wrong And make you spend another £100 for a new one . And the chances of it ever being activated you have more chance of being hit by a train in the middle of the Thames

[@edc1569]

Carbon Dioxide is not a toxic gas, Carbon Monoxide is a very toxic gas. CO not CO2.

[@robertburrows6612]

I've noticed a few comments about the fire integrity of the ceiling , any wall or ceiling that has a fire rating will have two layers of plasterboard not one , fire integrity walls or ceiling are generally found in flats , not houses , if you need to put a back box into a fire integrity wall or ceiling or put a intumitant pad in the back of the box to bring the fire integrity back up to standard . Please learn what you are dealing with learn your regs especially fire regs in building's . I dam sure Jordan and Cory knows what they are doing

[@brianhewitt8618]

one layer of plasterboard is sufficient for 30 mins within a dweling, 60 mins (2 layers of fire board minimum) between dewllings, and cutting holes in any ceiling will damage its integrity unless like you mentioned adding an intumitant pad etc but even this is not ideal

[@waseemkhaliq933]

12 sec in smoke and co2 .intact you mean smoke and co .co2 is what we breath out co is burned from incorrectly burning appliances

[@stephencleaves]

Its not a CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) Alarm !!!! its a CO (Carbon Monoxide Detector) lol

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah that’s why we put that text up on the screen saying carbon monoxide, it was a slip of the tongue LOL

[@stephencleaves]

@@artisanelectrics sorry I was just listening to the video in the background and didn't see the text ! Its surprising though how many people (fire engineers as well) call them "CO2" detectors ! lol always enjoy your videos, keep up the brilliant content.

[@stevendrennan167]

Can't use these in Scotland as they don't meet the regulations

[@jonathandorling1168]

or in England even can you? (I don't think in the UK at all). Makes me sad that these do not meet the regs! Not sure how Artisan Electrics get away with this.

[@edc1569]

The problem with Nest is Google and its habit of abandoning businesses it recently brought - who knows if the cloud services will still be around in ten years.

[@surjsingh1129]

well done cory someone else`s tools wont work on a date

[@alanjones3873]

I didnt know they could protest😃

[@dpiper2580]

Shouldn’t be installed by cooker according to nest

[@amatchmadeindevon2005]

They don’t do it all, they are not heat alarms, and nest do not make one, and they will not link with the aico IC connection, pretty useless if you want to comply with building regulations if you ask me, had this on a install a few weeks ago and we left a heat alarm standalone in the kitchen and nest hall and landing, not ideal but customer insisted they wanted it as they are away from home a lot, come on nest make a heat alarm!

[@alexcantley9137]

Not that much more expensive than aico I don't think

[@Jordanixting]

Nest smoke alarms are not suitable for use IN a kitchen.

[@judg3y352]

where is Pablo

[@billsbasementworkshop1902]

That way you could give Cory a pay rise.

[@markgayle5453]

They are note heat alarms, he's too bothered amount endorsements, cannot beat Aico

[@williammartinculleton7523]

You shouldn't put redundant smoke alarms in the bin, they should be disposed of responsibly , come on, get a grip 😂😂😂☘️

[@pantavat6931]

Stop saying Co2 , its Co..how about just saying carbon monoxide

[@RichardArblaster]

Those nests do look sexy 😎