Artist Accused of AI Usage Found Guilty Of TRACING Instead

[@jetghoul4182]

It's kind of a shame that she felt the need to trace because she honestly has so much potential and talent as an artist.

[@SBYyt2.0]

I totally agree.

[@elizabethp1772]

I honestly can’t agree more

[@Zellsinaguy]

Yeah, all she needed was just to learn anatomy and angles then shes basically unstoppable

[@galaxygimbiino8544]

She could’ve used one of those 3D posing apps to trace off of, they don’t usually care if you trace.

[@itzrachei]

fr

[@someonewithpoortaste]

There's a girl at my friends school who traced my friends work and put it in her PROFESSIONNAL PORTFOLIO. The school did not defend my friend. They said it was "taking inspiration from the universe they were working on", but said OC that was traced did NOT belong to the original comic they were working on and was entirely created by my friend. Awful behaviour. Don't trace.

[@LongDeadArtist]

That's horrible. Did they ever get repercussions in any other way?

[@katliente]

what...that sucks ;-;

[@someonewithpoortaste]

@@LongDeadArtist nope, even though my friend litteraly had a file from that person with her art on a hidden layer, right underneath what the other person had done. Plus this person was bullying her btw. School system

[@GemUnicornn]

The only thing your allowed to trace at art school where I went was photographs

[@someonewithpoortaste]

@@GemUnicornn same for my highschool art classes, you could trace photos for training but that's it.. and of course you had to bring and show the reference

[@lilblkrose]

The fact they thought it was genAI because of how strange it was due to inconsistentcy when it turns out to be due to tracing parts 😂... but honestly, after the artist attitude, would not put past they traced genAI rather than used, as well

[@lilblkrose]

PS people defending her definitely did not read the first document past the self pity, favoritism after she blasted a small twitter user (who deleted after harassment) to her 200k* followers, and her shop still open selling the traced works after 3 days after admitting.

[@itzrachei]

fr

[@unturned6066]

I know AI has a tendency to outright rip off existing art, so it's possible she had AI generate a piece for her to trace, thinking no one would know

[@ColourFreakz]

You can let AI 'complete' pictures. That's probably why the Arlecchino one had everything below the neck wonky.

[@AJ91244756]

Slight correction 200k ​@@lilblkrose

[@OkinoMuse]

I trace when studying someone's art style, but you will never see me posting them because I'm not proud of them, plus **they are literally traced**. it is a learning process not my final abilities. I have been doing art for a long time now and even went to school for it, but I still don't feel satisfied with myself so I keep studiyng until I'm proud

[@peachy_lili]

good! don''t ever let anybody tell you it's not an AMAZING way to learn -- it's just unacceptable to post it or to lie and say you did it without assistance if asked. that's all people gotta do!

[@coffeelatte8616]

I had a bad experience with tracing. I'm the nerds in my junior high and spent my time drawing in class even tho it's break time.. so the whole school knew me as the misterious nerd who like to draw.. then there is this one boy trying to be friend me, he is good at first so we become close.. close enought to go to each other house.. then some day my drawing is gone.. I thought I forgot where I put them but then it become 2 and 3 drawings that are gone.. and one day people are crowding around his table and praised his drawing.. I was shocked when I saw it.. IT WAS MY DRAWING THAT HE DREW.. he traced my drawing.. I knew because it's my art style and not to mention his drawing skill is soooo low at that time he didn't even know what sketch is.. I was just keep silent because I don't want to make a false claim.. but then he came to me and gave back my drawing saying "thank you for lending your drawing" .. what???? I never lent them,... The heck?? Is he a clepto 🙄 and from then on I never talked to him again I was so fed up and traumatized.. because people who saw his drawing first thought I was copying his drawing after seeing the original drawing from mine.. I still have the grudge till this day 😢

[@Aloysius_OHare]

I trace body parts because I suck at anatomy (eye shapes, elbow to hand sections, the connection part from stomach to hip) and how my drawing skill works is I memorize the way my hand motions and I can do the body parts. After all that I destroy any traced work forever and do the anatomy on my own. Fixes my drawings quite a bit. You’ll never get better unless you do it yourself as people have said. When learning new artstyles, now I just trace it in my mind and then just do it. I learned to adapt.

[@shweepa2061]

Do u have an art account?

[@strafeeto]

@@peachy_lili I dont see any ethical or moral wrongdoings if you post traced artwork. If you use tracing as a tool/technique to help you learn and make sure to cite your sources; if you don't hide/try profit from it, there shouldn't be any problems.

[@alahna-]

Boothill's outfit is absolutely insane lol it makes no sense.

[@katliente]

the more i looked at it the crazier it got

[@StelleMother]

they prob traced from ai as well prob

[@dingofaya8651]

Ngl if that was a skin 😂

[@elizabethp1772]

At this point I dunno whats worse between using AI to make the pictures or tracing because either way people would profit off of it

[@REXYPOOXD]

Both are at the same point, they both suck and shouldn't even be making profit and I feel bad for the people who don't get refunds and the even worse part are the Vtubers who paid for a right and art an it's just a horrible AI Vtuber and they don't get their $500 - $1200 back and that's just sad

[@SBYyt2.0]

I feel both are bad, depending on the circumstances, it’ll be worse than the other.

[@varietychan]

AI is worse. Tracing is OK if the original owner allows it. Take Rabbit Hole for example

[@itzrachei]

fr

[@ladyzarina2860]

Don't forget about amalgams of two characters, for example WLOP's, that people call "their own OC" xD

[@Renvi]

for me, it's the fact that she SOLD the traced pieces at art conventions. it's one thing to trace for practice or studies, it's another to publish it online (without credit) AND make prints for MONETARY GAIN. That's like, a whole new level.

[@xiayu6098]

Her tracing isn’t even bad they look completely different

[@huglife626]

@@xiayu6098 That doesn't matter, tracing and then profiting off of it is shameful. Posting traced art without credit is shameful. Tracing for comms and such is shameful and all of it, especially combined, is wholly dishonest.

[@houndgirl7365]

​@xiayu6098 tracing is a tool to learn NOT steal. Learn to draw not just trace its theft period. I don't care how many 'tweaks' are put on it that's not the person's own work the original work shpuld be noted and the person should not profit from such actions. Secondly tracing from AI is not how one learns proper anatomy much like you aren't supposed to learn anatomy from cartoons it's supposed to be from anatomically correct figures that you then learn how to exaggerate certain features yourself THATS how one properly learns otherwise it becomes inbred. People really need to stop trying to take from others it's gross behavior and yes anything generated by AI is STOLEN works!

[@registered2comment]

I agree. Tracing is not inherently wrong, especially if you do art for the fun of it. I've done creative pieces using someone else's art as a base but it's not to sell, it's just for fun and I credit the original artist.

[@registered2comment]

​@@xiayu6098 honestly I have to agree with you. She traced the general shapes of faces and then changed literally every other detail. A foundation of a house is a foundation of a house and all she did was trace the foundation.

[@MartaPD2]

i don't get why people trace other artists' work when free bases and 3d models are RIGHT THERE??

[@The_Summoning]

Well bases you usually cannot sell or make a profit off of it. Either from copyright from a company or from the artist that made the base. But like there's those anime reference dolls you could trace if you were to trace XD and any pose you want.

[@drawingpatterns9929]

Isn't AI also supposed to be a free reference, like 3D? I honestly don't see the difference. If 3D models are acceptable, tracing AI is also acceptable by my book. I'm not sure whether the artisanship should be more valued or the customer satisfaction. Customer-wise, 3D, Ai are doing fine work. Skiiled artists can not compete with artists who make good use of 3D tools, photoshop tools(they now also have Ai tools in PS). I am confused!

[@milkshiiru]

​@@drawingpatterns9929well AI uses other artists' styles, that's why it sucks. tracing over AI art is not the same as tracing over 3D model because when you trace over AI you literally copy someone's work (cuz AI usually trains on others artists' works) and you'll never know from who you traced. when using 3D model, they are usually free + have credits, so if you want to leave a credit you can do it without any problems.

[@robin8966]

Bc they obviously aren't thinking abt what resources are available, their intention is to create the most visually-appealing images they can to generate likes/views/profit. Bases and 3D models aren't usually visually-appealing, you gotta put the legwork in yourself. Whereas they can simply find "pretty artwork" and trace that instead bc it's already visually appealing.

[@neeevirus]

Here’s my POV when it comes to tracing 3d model Unlike tracing ai images or other people’s art, 3d model gives you extra flexibility to draw in your style because of how it serves as a blank canvas; no face, basic structure. Tho you can also make/use own custom made 3d model that’s complete with anatomy and alter it to your style (like one of the raum artists bm_tol) and use that to speed up the process and focus on your lighting The thing is, you still need to have some skill to cook the piece, which is why sometimes art made with tracing 3d models can look weird and off So basically Tracing other people’s art- con: you have no control/flexibility if you’re tracing the full piece properly: it’s easy Tracing 3d model: con: it’s not as easy pro: you have more control/flexibility Now all that being said I’d still recommend using 3d model as REFERENCE, not tracing, for the most amount of flexibility. But that means you have to actually be somewhat competent

[@xxxxx-iu4fw]

I love how the Boothill piece is literally just his official wish art LMAO i spotted that one almost instantly since 1) i have Boothill so I see it in battle 2) i am. Mildly obsessed with Boothill edit: i recently unchained my soul by no longer playing any of these games, but boothill still is a character i like a lot

[@Beeeeeewwwww]

Mildly?

[@kitzune2392]

Fellow save a horse ride a cowboy enjoyer 🤭🤭

[@xxxxx-iu4fw]

@@Beeeeeewwwww yees, mildly (he is in my main team and when i have to make a different team comp for a specific battle he remains in the team no matter what)

[@Beeeeeewwwww]

@@xxxxx-iu4fw okay😺

[@s7z7gy]

Bro i love cowboys boothill is so amazing

[@pokespecialfan1]

Btw, the Furina and arlecchino pieces were sold as acrylic block in Dokomi at least, 40 euros each, traced pieces, not just the pgotocards :(. The prints weren't cheap either, she has profitted a lot of money with those traced artworks

[@evelynnstoes]

the acrylic blocks were 50 euros, i know that cause i bought the blade one there :c

[@Rose-bb4ze]

i can't believe her traced pieces are more expensive compared to ASK

[@mebootiful]

The worst thing about this was that she was going to go to Smash Con, Sydney, and I was legit going to BREAK BANK at her shop because her art was so pretty to look at - and then this WHOLE THING happened 😅

[@winne208]

It's a good thing this got exposed before that and your bank is save now I hope?

[@Mayank_MJ]

​​​@@winne208honestly? I would still get it lmao, i myself am an artist, drawing traditional art from 16 years now, and i still like the drawing enough to get it even if it's traced. I mean, only the pose is traced, not the whole thing right? That's what I got from looking at her Twitter. I myself used to trace when drawing poses until i became good enough to draw without needing any references. There is just so much extra details added to the traced art, that for me it's justified to buy it as a separate item, although getting permission from the original artist would have been better as the question of ethics comes if you take it without permission.

[@winne208]

@@Mayank_MJ If you are okay with it isn't it fine to support her? It's really up to each individual. Some people don't agree with what she did to the customer and how she handled the situation. Tracing is still tracing no matter how much you try to justify it. She didn't just trace the pose, she traced and copied the artist's compositions. This artist don't speak her language and price way lesser than her. Tracing is fine for studying but copying and profitting so much off another artist is just shady to me. Like what you say, it's up to how much you can justify her work ethics. I think she's a very talented artist, but for these specific works she copied from, I would rather support the original artist than her.

[@Mayank_MJ]

@@winne208 oh i support the original artist too, every single art shown in the video or every single art she ever referenced is drawn by an artist i follow. I follow most of the anime artists on the internet lol. And i don't know about anything that happened with the fans and about the purchases. I didn't watch the whole video, just the tracing portions, so I'm only talking about the tracing parts and nothing about the refunds. Tracing is ok with me if you take permission or actually put a lot of effort in the art and actually make it look different enough. Her art is kinda in the middle as it looks different enough and has a lot of effort put in but she didn't get permission to use the pose. I used to trace 6-7 years back when I was still learning art, but whenever I traced I used to change the composition so that it didn't feel like tracing that much. Although now I'm skilled enough to draw without any references, ofc I'm talking about drawing on paper as that's what I'm good at, my speciality is shading and water colours, but I can also do oil painting, acrylics and pencil colours. So my skill set is fundamentally different from that of a digital artist, so how easy it is to trace digital art isn't that apparent to me even though I've tried digital art before

[@winne208]

@@Mayank_MJ Yups I get your point, as long as the original artists she traced/copied from gives her the permission, it's something everyone can move on with. Her case just blew up because of how she escalated the situation. You might want to watch the whole video since people are mad less about the tracing but more about her actions. Even till now while she said she's taking a break, she's still sending mails, havn't refunded some people nor address it in her other social media, so many are upset about that.

[@woolfy783]

Omg. In my art group, we just outed a tracer. Everyone thought she was selling ai, but she was tracing it instead. It's a shame. She was talented but super rude and wasn't getting why tracing and selling it was wrong or even included it in their portfolio.

[@Bowltie-h9c]

Do they have a @ in Twitter? I dont wanna comm a tracer.

[@worldhello1234]

She disagreed that tracing is "wrong" and you have no leg stand on by just calling it "wrong". Don't expect someone being bothered on twitter to take it kindly.

[@woolfy783]

@worldhello1234 I defended her at first until the evidence came out. She had 3 people calling her all types of stuff. But when I acknowledged the facts, she tried to convince me, and when I disagreed and told her my opinion civilly, she blew up on me. Telling me not to defend those "assholes."

[@woolfy783]

@@Bowltie-h9c sele gna. It was on a Facebook group.

[@woolfy783]

I also mentioned someone she called a child earlier and just mentioning them sent her over

[@KaLa1865_]

Definitely recognize her style and checked out her account immediately after this video. There's been 2 new posts from her that (Jane Doe from ZZZ and Chuuya from Bungou Stray Dogs). Both of which have full timelapses from the beginning (yes, like starting from a blank canvas type of beginning). Despite her tracing and sus timelapses before, she definitely knows how to render and draw. It seems she's learned her lesson (maybe) from this whole debacle.

[@dvxnise]

at this point, there could also be a possibility of both tracing and using AI. she can always trace and feed it to AI and ask AI to change or add certain bits to the drawing

[@tatututuuu3515]

Thats what ive been thinking too. Probably feed it her own drawings too to make it look like her own artstyle.

[@Kexney99]

@@tatututuuu3515that’s actually genius

[@BoldActionSkitty]

Yeah, the rendering and shading seemed incredibly AI to me.

[@xynonners]

the warbly lineart really points in that direction

[@transjeffdr]

Honestly if I showed up early to a convention and got sold obviously inauthentic art I'd be pretty pissed, especially if I was a fan of the artist. Putting this person on blast for being angry & requesting a refund AND THEN HAVING THE AUDACITY TO OFFER REFUNDS WHEN PEOPLE FOUND OUT SHE TRACED is wild 💀💀💀

[@transjeffdr]

she fr thinks people are gullible lmao

[@defaulted9485]

I don't get the "audacity" part. That's what they're supposed to do no? Offer refunds? I mean... do people expect Yeurei to NOT refund? But everything else, I agree.

[@whatislife645]

@@defaulted9485they’re just pointing out how crazy the 180 was 😭

[@ohsienna]

@@transjeffdrI genuinely don’t understand this part, so what if the person changes for the better???? 😭 people change everyday every second every minute and every hour, so why does it suddenly matter now when a person you don’t even know change sbbsbsvsvb people get angry over everything smh

[@idolpudding]

⁠​​⁠​⁠​​⁠ ​​⁠​⁠ This is how I understand it: the person who accused the artist for using ai and requesting a refund because of this was posted on the artist’s account with 200k followers with the intent to shame them and for their followers to flame them to the point of deleting their account, but then not even a week later when it was revealed that the artist was tracing did the artist do a complete 180 from their previous behavior of humiliating the accuser. To compare this with a with a similar situation, it’s like refusing to refund and publicly humiliating the person who bought your book because they believed it was written by ai, but later offering refunds just because the public found out you plagiarized. The artist didn’t change for the better, they changed only (huuuge emphasis on only) because they were caught

[@willybe6427]

Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of artists use AI art as a “reference” to make physical paintings on canvas, but they just paint in all the flaws and mistakes that the AI generator pushed out. It’s wild to see them get so offended and use “it can’t be AI, it’s on a physical canvas” as an excuse..

[@dracolegend7739]

Fr, I see it all the time on Instagram, but it honestly looks like they just took the AI image and photoshopped it over a picture of a canvas or paper and art supplies

[@willybe6427]

@@dracolegend7739 I've found weirder situations where people go out of their way to use a projector to trace it on to canvas and then they don't bother making any changes to make it look realistic, they just paint all the illogical mistakes and AI hallucinations as they see it. and that's their way of trying to say it's real, because they physically painted it... some of them are REALLY good at copying art and it's blowing my mind that they're either not noticing or not caring about the mistakes they're copying.

[@VIofCaffeine]

I get using AI images for some reference if you can not find a reference for what you're going for ANYWHERE but I still think of it as a last resort or needing several non AI references for additional input

[@dracolegend7739]

@@VIofCaffeine I use it mostly for color ideas yeah, but for actual content and anatomy and stuff I use 3d models or photo references.

[@maniacalvortex815]

@@dracolegend7739 I use it for that too. Like when I designing a character and choose the colors but I can't visualize if will look good, I write a basic description of the character with the dolors for the AI to see if they fit together instead of trying on the paper and having to throw away the drawing because I don't like it (I do mostly traditional art)

[@FruitOfTheFold]

the fact they traced from an official art of boothill and boothill's outfit still looks uncanny 😭 they didnt even try to make the details right

[@BoldActionSkitty]

I personally think she fed the original work to AI, then traced it.

[@Aloysius_OHare]

The whole depression route is quite the sight. Went on a whole ramble about how depressed they were they were caught. "I don't know how to tell my two dogs, who would always be so excited" This person acts like they can NEVER do art. As if its TRACE/AI or nothing at all. She had such a bad behaviour towards the person calling her out, thinking she was in the right. That is some major ego.🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@txujia]

PREAAACHHHHH

[@YumeBat]

Yeah nah. When people get outed for something they did then start acting all sad idc it's not purpusful pitty baiting, i find it pathetic. Because they either tought they would aways get away with it, or they genuenly believe they're the victim for getting outed. If you cant deal with the concequenses of something don't do it. Pathetic.

[@BoldActionSkitty]

Yeah, it reminds me of Puppychan, a Twitter artist who deactivated a couple of years ago. When they would get called out for something they would pull the pity card and sympathy bait to high heavens.

[@pepperfyves]

It's so infuriating that scammers and bad actors will just pop off but the honest and hard working artists are left in the dark and unseen.

[@squiddokja4769]

real the underrated ones deserve much more attention

[@JohnLee-kh8my]

Agree totally. My daughter is an aspiring artist who used to look up to Yeurei’s art. She was so inspired by her and often wished her own art is even 10 percent of Yeurei’s. At least I can proudly said my daughter didn’t trace anyone’s art and still manage to sell decent quantity despite having only 200 followers. 😅

[@haizien]

just found this video and was hoping it wasnt the same person who made the art on two pins I bought and really liked last year but when she showed the blade drawing I felt so betrayed 💀 might toss them

[@_BubblGum_]

i work so freaking hard to make animations and art, ive been on the grind for 4 years and have barely any traction, meanwhile tracers and people who use ai get so popular and its really demotivating 😣

[@ilovecookingmama]

To be honest I don't really get why she'd trace/use ai. She definitely does trace, but at the same time she could be using ai because like no matter what art style you use, or like how you render, there are many inconsistencies in her artwork, and they are all quite obvious. She has so much potential. Her way of drawing line art, and rendering is sharp yet beautiful. If she isn't good at anatomy, she should practice first! Anatomy is hard, perspective is hard, drawing side faces is hard, but it's not like it's impossible. And with her experience, I'm sure she could learn it all in a very short time. Hopefully she genuinely does change and instead of taking the easy route to things, she'll be able to learn and understand the actual feeling of drawing everything out of scratch instead of tracing.

[@MrDvneil]

"there are many inconsistencies in her artwork" but at the same time all her artwork was purchased in 10 minutes, and all people wanted to purchase her artwork. i see more decadence on the people that purchase full blind, not even knowing the artist, not knowing anything about the art they are purchasing. then harassing the artist for something, AI, that is not true.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Just wondering, have these AI witchhunts gotten to the point that people have swung back to the "if you're not making stuff out of thin air, it's fake art!" mindset? I use 3D models for posing/proportions and stuff, so it feels like they'll start coming after me sooner or later.

[@Meowstrosity]

Nah- There's people out there who still disagree with that, but they're the same kind of people who believe looking at references at all is a sin (sorry i cant shit out a perfect giraffe first try). Most people understand that the hate towards AI and tracing stems from someone not getting consent, claiming as their own and/or making profit off of another's artist hard work. 3D dolls are super cool tools but not shortcuts towards easy profit. Plus, the people behind the doll's modelling and program literally made it so we use em. That's consent right there! But people can get mad at anything. Facts are, though, that using a 3D puppet is not ripping anyone off. Hating it doesn't hold logically or morally, it's purely opinion at this point- and who gives a fuck about strangers opinion on the internet??? Personally, I will never feel bad for using Design Doll so I know how ass would look like from every angle

[@Lucas66393]

The girl from this channel looks like she passes the entire day searching if someone used AI or did a little bit of tracing on Twitter.

[@renfaere]

Tracing ASK of all artists is so crazy to me... They're like one of the most popular anime-style artists right now

[@loafrr]

Oh yeah and ai disturbance filters don't work anymore. i hate ai

[@romyc3384]

it never worked unless u put it at min 40%

[@REXYPOOXD]

AI art is getting worse that's why I'm glad my art sucks that no one would ever copy it but what's worse is that real artist are getting balmed for being AI especially the Anime style, Jelly style, and Realistic style, Traditional art isn't safe either which makes it worse

[@SBYyt2.0]

I dislike AI too, but about tracing, has been here before AI existed, either way both aren’t good. But it depends how you use it as well.

[@scarlavein]

IIRC Glaze and Nightshade still work. the individual noise filters people tried to use to substitute glaze and nightshade were likely never as effective.

[@naraku971]

@@scarlavein Actually they don't, Stanford used simple forensics and were able to undo Nightshade affected images. My advice is talk with the source, the programmers of these generative programs, if I can get in DMs with Wombo, I'm sure you can find a way to get into contact with a programmer yourself, they're the ones that actually know what it takes to break a generator it's not something like Nightshade by a long shot.

[@zillychu]

I've had to review a lot of portfolios recently, many of which were plagued with AI. I would say with utmost confidence that the artist here traced some key components, and *then* ran that through AI. The lack of logical continuity, the lost edges, and nonsensical details are dead giveaways. Double whammy!

[@SirPerolino]

7:14 the ear is also weird as hell. In such angle, it should be drawn slightly otherwise?? Its strange to see such small, but silly mistake compared to the rest of art

[@YenriStar]

there are options on some AI generators where you can upload a reference image then change it with AI prompts. this is why it looks traced AND ai work. because it could be both traced and generated by ai

[@k31un]

it is refreshing to see how yuerei is taking all the right steps in responsibility and accountability which may be the bare minimum but we dont see it often especially on such a large scale of refunds. i hope she grows from this.

[@wajmgirl]

I’m sure it easy when not everyone who bought from her follows her online to know to get a refund

[@nicolegoh9748]

Ngl they still feel very sneaky considering how they deleted the main tweet in their apology thread + never updated their ig about the situation

[@xxcardi-of7lm]

Imagine blasting a small twitter account to 200k of your followers only to get exposed and try to gain sympathy by "not eating 😢"

[@caitlynxzane]

Feels like every day someone else is getting accused / caught using AI or tracing :(

[@crownedoll]

It’s easier than actually learning anatomy and studying for hours. Tracers and ai users are lazy and looking for unethical ways to cut corners. It makes me very sad.

[@jinyou3982]

@@crownedoll i mean what do you expect its so hard for artist to make money. An drawn art piece takes 20 hrs while AI render takes 1 min, I have seen many many AI art pieces with millions of views on twitter. It's only a matter of time when AI takes over.

[@caitlynxzane]

@@crownedoll As an artist myself, I agree, and it’s sad to see 😥 learning how to draw is hard, but much more fulfilling and worth it!

[@AccelSternritter]

@@jinyou3982 What do we expect?? To be genuine??? Is that such a wild thing to ask? raise your standards a little bit jeez...

[@Alex-he9mc]

​@@crownedollhonestly, I kinda get them. I don't use AI or do any form of drawing, but if I wanted to do so, I would probably be the same as them.What's the point of trying to do it properly when I'm going to end up mediocre and possibly even quit half way, anyways?

[@mochafrappawhat]

As an artist, I actually don't think the overlay part with makima and other one is 1:1 traced. I actually think it was referenced, but it's still VERY similar and she dhoulsve have credited the artist for the ref.

[@pokoramora]

15:20

[@lks178]

At what point is something not actually traced? There are thousands upon thousand of pieces uploaded daily, in a few days you could 100% fill almost every angle and every pose at every depth and every perspective. Like when you trace at 15:10, if you could actually run an AI search prompt on all image forums you would find that the original is 'traced' too. Even worse when everyone's drawings are so generic you could find the same pose thousands of times in a single second.

[@athena6227]

The way the original tweet got 29 views and no one would’ve seen the email pointing out the tracing/possible AI use if yuerei never posted them to X to try to defend herself 💀 liars always out themselves in the end because they’re so paranoid of getting caught.

[@DeadVoxel]

This is a very weird version of the Streisand effect, where instead of trying to hide the alligations she herself made the email public (posted it onto her account), which then spiraled into her being exposed because of her posting about it and bringing attention to it in the first place, lmao

[@BoldActionSkitty]

Honestly yeah, but since she had apparently been tracing for at least a year, it could have also been a disaster waiting to happen.

[@DeadVoxel]

@@BoldActionSkitty absolutely. But the fact that she pretty much outed herself and essentially sped up the process is what's funny

[@BoldActionSkitty]

@@DeadVoxel True lol.

[@itsmik0512]

This makes me slightly uncomfortable as an artist. There is a good chance that it IS heavily referenced, there is a good chance that it’s traced. They should show their entire process, most definitely but I feel uncomfortable that everyone is just immediately jumping to the same conclusion… I use a lot of references, and it makes me uncomfortable someone might say I’m tracing if I use the same pose or head angle because I find a reference with angles I really like….

[@headfunk5646]

the thing with yeurei is that it exactly lines up with the traced image line for line, even if you heavenly reference something it wouldnt count as traced because the chances of replicating that exact accuacy through referencing is pretty low

[@cjane5141]

It looks heavily referenced to me rather than traced.. there are people who can mimic references very well without tracing and this seemed like case to me. While the angle and overall proportion is the same it doesnt look 1:1 in more than one area if you pause the video. This doesn't look like tracing to me. It's stressful to be an artist these days. Draw well = get accused of AI. Draw not so well (good in rendering and bad in anatomy as in this case) = accused of AI. AI has done more than stealing jobs, its also turning artists against each other.

[@misferaa]

The point i dont like is that all those tracing debates are always about anime art because it's simplified to the point that everything can be exactly the same, and it's not traced or even looked

[@mimiryuu8892]

This is how I feel as an artist too, this whole situation makes me feel so umcomfortable. Especially since yeurei’s art is basically the most basic anime girl prototypical face and same with ask, there’s pretty much never going to be much of an anatomical differences amongst people who draw the typical anime face.

[@kmhkennedy]

I once drew something on my iPad using a reference, I did not trace, but when I lined the reference up to my drawing it lined up 1 to 1. It can happen. It was just a drawing for me, I didn’t sell it or anything, I’m not an artists.

[@gman1515]

Ok, so this might be a hot take, but I dont think that if you trace something as a study it has to be kept completely private. Especially as a beginner artist you can share it, you just have to credit the original artist and you can't monetize it in any way.

[@xxcardi-of7lm]

Yeah but she SOLD IT

[@gman1515]

@@xxcardi-of7lm ye I'm not defending the person the video is about, but Kat was also saying that if you trace to study no one should *ever* see it, it has to be completely private. That's what I was disagreeing with.

[@sehrish1837]

that's a frozen take (meaning that a lot of people agree with you) not trying to be rude btw,just woke up in the morning

[@unturned6066]

I wouldn't care about referencing her sources if she was just uploading her art, but since she's making money off of the art, she's not only stealing from other artists, but lying about her skills to her customers.

[@mayaneko1094]

I think we've already passed the point where it's faster to just train to be an actual artist than to learn how to disguise, that you're not an AI artist.

[@Phlegm_Thrower]

I never knew online anime art community is so full of drama and scammers like this.

[@axotopl]

It is still an art community, there's no such thing as peace

[@che7941]

@@Phlegm_Thrower lol I think you need to read the definition of a scam again. This has nothing to do with a scam 💀

[@OneDuraTwoDura]

​@@che7941 a scam is defined as a "fraudulent or deceptive operation". In this case, it is 100 percent a scam. The artist was a fraud who tried to pass off traced artwork (sorry "heavily referenced) to their fans for a profit. The fans are buying the merch, with a certain level of expectation that it is all original art. Not to mention even after the public statement, all these artworks are still very much up for purchase. The website also does not say anything about tracing or the incident or any mention of refunds.

[@BoldActionSkitty]

It's at its worst in Twitter and Tiktok. They seriously make DeviantArt look tame.

[@aexlee7255]

And that’s why kids, learn your fundamentals before getting into the business side of things. You won’t be artistically stable enough to keep up with people and the algo if you try to do both with shaky skills

[@YamiyugiXenith]

Your so correct about this

[@keepyourshoesathedoor]

Dang, it’s gonna take forever.😔

[@isfunart]

ai now can generate speedpaint drawing, i wonder what is exist for.😔

[@cakechantv]

ngl this one is PARTIUCLARLY crazy....

[@axelsgf]

Nothing is more disappointing to find out your favorite artist who you possibly look up to is stealing, tracing or using ai for their work :/

[@Astrodgirl]

wait this is so shocking ive been following them on instagram since 2021, i wasn't very active interacting with their page cuz instagram doesn't show me posts of who im following a lot (unfortunately) but i also loved ask's art for years as well so this is quite disappointing to hear about. plus, the thing is, even if it wasn't traced and just heavily referenced, making profit off the heavily referenced art is really wrong. I remember yeu used to sell acrylic blocks which are quite expensive too.. im glad they ended up apologizing but ye i hope they come back a better person

[@Utrilus]

It's not wrong. Every artist since the dawn of time has done art from reference. The big difference between this artist and other artists you like is that this one is being bullied and accused of doing what everyone else does, making it seems like some big horrible thing. While really, it's normal, even good for making really nice looking art.

[@TH3CL0WNK1NG]

⁠@@Utrilusare you deaf or did you not watch the video?? references are fine but tracing drawings and passing them off as your own is a shitty thing to do, not to mention that they were SELLING MERCH off of art that THEY TRACED AND PASSED OFF AS THEIR OWN

[@Utrilus]

@@TH3CL0WNK1NG But do you have eyes, did you notice that the only things in common were the face shape and pose, meaning none of it was traced, just very referenced well. It's not stealing someone else's art and reselling it.

[@TH3CL0WNK1NG]

@@Utrilus “none of it was traced just referenced very well” yeah keep being in denial you could be the best artist in the world and reference a pose, and it still wouldn’t line 1-1 the way that the traced art did

[@cjane5141]

@@TH3CL0WNK1NGif you look carefully, its not 1:1 at all. Slow down the video or pause it. She heavily referenced the base model but it’s not traced.

[@NevirSurrender]

The pity baiting in the end truly is audacious of them

[@selenabaozi]

ur right about everything but no, it’s not a 1 to 1 overlay. if it were 1:1, the drawing would look more anatomically correct.

[@Sqewree]

I think she means the important parts are 1-1, eyes, face structure, mouth

[@selenabaozi]

@@Sqewree ah

[@Sqewree]

@@selenabaozi but yeah you’re right everything else she tried to fill in the anatomy is wonky

[@goose7215]

If you're referancing a pose, how many variations to the og work can you possibly have? Especially in anime where everyone suffers from same face syndrome. Not defending her but curious

[@theeggatyourfrontdoor2092]

In the past, I’ve never followed anyone who got into dramas like these, so it’s a shame to think that someone I’ve followed for a while is guilty of this..

[@afanofall3131]

As someone who studied an anatomy book for years just to be able to draw people in poses, this is not fair.

[@Luna-wq3ns]

13:21 ... im sorry.. that is not 1:1 ... i dont know both artists and its the first video i see of u today. For me this seems like someone trying to push drama for their own benefit.. i do have experience drawing and this is... not called a 1:1 .. a 1:1 copy looks different

[@BandoriCapple]

The mouth, nose and shoulders don’t even come out the same. Whilst I think the artist has definitely over referenced it’s not 1:1, definitely being amped up for drama.

[@EsPikachu]

I just deleted all their works from my discord and blocked them on Twitter, shame I liked their work but I'm not about to support someone who uses AI AND traces ppl artwork. It's an insult to all artists including myself.

[@kajlilaro]

Broooo they were one of my favorite artist :/

[@baiwuli6781]

that's ok, you CAN still like them. You don't have to join the cancel movement because they traced or used AIs,

[@mi4iku]

@@baiwuli6781lol what?? People like them for their work and the skill that people THOUGHT she HAD. She’s also SELLING the work, we will absolutely be no longer supporting her.

[@skullysinner]

@@baiwuli6781 For your comment I can believe that you are not an artist. She is scamming people left and right lmao. Tracing is wrong, using AI is super wrong; both are ways to steal. She clearly has talent, if only she used her time to actually practice instead of stealing then it would be another thing.

[@baiwuli6781]

@@mi4ikulook, all I'm trying to say is cancelling her is a choice, and you don't have to make that choice.

[@Wisterbat]

Samee ☹️

[@xferal_rat]

i don't know why, but this makes me feel relieved somehow?? maybe i just miss when artists used to say "it's traced" instead of "it's ai"

[@authenticxans944]

Is it okay to trace art for personal use like your bedroom or something? Is that wrong too? I’ve always traced things I thought were cute, I’m not an artist but too broke to ‘own’ it

[@ollamiu]

that's obv ok, person in the vid was profiting

[@DanHengsLoverCanonReal]

It's okay as long as you keep it to yourself 👌

[@che7941]

Tbh I find the Ai-witchhunt getting kinda extreme. Its like artists are not allowed to make mistakes anymore and everyone needs to make everything 100% correct. So many artists just draw for fun and dont care if things are not 100% correct or illogical.

[@headfunk5646]

except yeurei has made an insane amount of money from these

[@che7941]

@@headfunk5646 It is not even confirmed that she used AI. My point is that other artists start to pick apart other artists work because of some incorrect elements and accuse them of using ai. Ive seen so many artists get accused for using AI for making simple mistakes.

[@cjane5141]

I personally have made the glasses mistake myself. It was simply drawing glasses on separate layer, then forgetting to erase the parts that were supposed to be at the back. And my anatomy knowledge sucks too so i guess i am ai? 😂😂😂

[@rinar3562]

This is an awful statement. Basically saying "Oh scammers getting outed is kind of extreme" Literally where? People use AI that had stollen tons of data, tons of people's artwork and you say it's a "mistake"? It's not. Do they say it's AI? Mostly no and THAT'S why they are getting outed for being scammers.

[@che7941]

@@rinar3562 right because everyone is scamming? Tf 💀 I am talking about artists overanalizing other artists and picking their art apart. And then potentially falsely accusing them of using AI, simply because things are not logical, there are some mistakes or sometimes we are just lazy. SURE you can prove that you dont use ai. But i sucks when you suddenly have a mob of people framing you as a scammer because of some dramachannel or because other artists start picking your stuff apart. And before you say "this does not happen". It literally does A LOT since I know a couple of hardworking artists that were a victim of being falsely accused as a scammer as well.

[@AbsoluteCactus]

The "not the correct outfit" talk at 7:10 is such a silly nitpick imo. You can draw characters in different outfits than what they normally wear. Personal redesigns exist. I do it all the time

[@nilmerg]

that's true, but unfortunately people who use AI also often generate images of characters in different outfits knowing that it would get a lot of details of official/original designs wrong. it's a measure employed to circumvent suspicion of AI use. ☹️ really sucks.

[@AbsoluteCactus]

@@nilmerg that's fair and very valid. Admittedly I try to avoid AI shit in general and get all my info from videos like these so I don't see it much lol I don't quite remember what went down in this video since it was a few weeks ago but if the consensus was AI then I don't doubt it one bit but even before all this AI crap became a problem I've seen people get shit for not drawing characters in their canon clothing and it was always so stupid to me. I just personally redesign everyone and everything out of spite at this point

[@nilmerg]

@@AbsoluteCactus i've personally never seen people get criticisms for drawing characters in alt clothing, neither in recent history. it only really comes up in cases i've witnessed where genAI use was obvious. although, i also tend to follow artists who have fairly stylized works, so such cases have generally limited reach into my sphere.

[@AbsoluteCactus]

@@nilmerg it happens constantly in the MLP world. I haven't seen it in quite a while now but it used to be so toxic over on DA. Some people used to get so angry over others redesigning their "perfect waifus" or whatever lol That and whenever someone made human designs people would get shit for the races they made everyone. I'm happy you haven't experienced it tbh bc the internet can be a lawless wasteland so the positive experiences are always preferred

[@nilmerg]

@@AbsoluteCactus oh, dA was just a cesspool especially in the past tbf. i had my share of bad & absurd experiences with the site & users many years back.

[@EvilSnails]

I'm confused, professional mangaka and animators reuse bases/poses from other existing series and trace over it for storytelling. And then those books/anime are for commercial use. Why isn't the internet headhunting the professionals too then? A famous one is the Akira Bike slide. It gets traced all the time, sometimes almost exactly as is.

[@whatzittooyah9182]

Well, with the example you used, that’s a meme, so it’s recognizable as someone else’s pose. With everything else, base poses are usually assets you purchase, or the original artist will put it up for free use but with stipulation; they might not allow it for commercial use.

[@bd8394]

I dont know of her but she clearly has potential and I hope that she is able to learn and reflect from this. I took art in college and I was amazed at how much my classmates improved their drawing skills in 2 years (we compared what we drew at the beginning to the end). We actually drew live models and it really helped with understanding anatomy

[@senavt]

This came at such a bad time for them too they were meant to attend Sydney Smash literally this weekend but have since pulled out

[@AurascentStorm]

At least no more people will be scammed

[@ROTBTB1234]

they weren't there period. friends who went there said their booth was empty

[@ferret2308]

As a non-artist who has used Midjourney to generate art of characters (overwatch, genshin) the first 5/6 examples are 100% AI generated. I would even go on to say they are AI generated and then she traces the parts (hands, faces, some clothes) where it gets "muddy" and confusing before beginning her timelapse.

[@tigg.z]

Trace all you want, it's a great way to improve your existing skills, nobody is harping on that. It's when you use those pieces for freaking profit that everyone will get up in arms about it, and rightly so. Practice until you can sell your own creation from scratch, the end. Anyone with any drawing background understands this concept, it's a moral and conscious decision, the artist is just sorry they got caught...

[@BoldActionSkitty]

EXACTLY. Tracing is acceptable if you're 1. Doing it just for practice and you keep it private 2. Practicing but the original artist gives you permission to share your studies

[@lunaaoi5]

Considering my art honors teacher in high school had almost everyone trace body structures instead of doing them from scratch I feel a little weird that people are mad about tracing. There’s only so many ways and set a body artwork.

[@gaymyboycole]

are you dense? tracing is good for studies, NOT for posting and selling your traced art to the public💀

[@Kirbyinthevoid]

You don't understand how tracing a human being who is alive and consenting is different from using a tool trained on stolen art work?

[@bunbun20203]

While tracing is a common and widely used artistic technique, when you are going to profit from it (whether monetarily or even socially) it should only be used with copyright free images, images you have bought the copyrights to, or ones you’ve been given explicit, written permission to use in this fashion.

[@deviltrope]

duuuude, I understand all the frustration and resentment of mentioned artist, but......... is this really so, if you copy the pose and composition or pallet, then the rest of the work you did on YOUR piece with YOUR hands doesn't belong to you?! like. you did zero work??? you didn't render it? you didn't shade it???? THE FUCK D:< sketching and composing takes a lot of work (for me probably 20-30% of all work done), but complete originality is only the matter when it's work for sale or commission. anything you do for yourself and your enjoyment doesn't have to be 100% original and frankly speaking IT'S FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE. not mentioning the fact that referenced works simply looks better because you avoided mistakes and "looked up for the right answer". as a professional artist I highly despise all those talks about legit art and how you shouldn't take shortcuts in your process otherwise you "steal others efforts". it might be frustrating, but referencing will always be there in art community. you can't assign to yourself that 100% unique pose you just drawn or composition because there 100% same pose/composition somewhere on the internet and you've just reinvented the wheel. congratulations. again, not undermining the accusations from the video. just voicing my thoughts on "you can reference but you can't post it and actually you stole all the effort". also have a lot to say about tracing and what is not tracing but everyone decides for themselves here.

[@Grace-ms7un]

Thank you for this.

[@cjane5141]

It’s impossible to avoid! There are only so many combinations of a specific pose framed in a way that actually looks nice.

[@OnexLen]

another google docs statement I've been studying other masters works and have been tracing and redrawing the poses of the artworks and it feels so wrong, I know it's hard to come up with poses and composition that is why I usually look for inspiration and redrawing the pose on my own and heavily avoiding tracing as what I have done in the beginning

[@strobo308]

The first three images make no sense. They truly look AI, the chest area gives it away the most, the lines go nowhere.

[@BoldActionSkitty]

I personally believe she ran other people's work through an AI filter.

[@Amber_Scarlet]

"Tracing is never ok" "never post your art studies" and the idea that "bad art"=AI. NO! These are all horrible pieces of advice! Tracing for a general figure or pose, without keeping any of your references original composition is an extremely valuable tool for artists who are trying to learn. And the idea of not posting art studies and sketches, or that all "bad art" is coming from AI, is only perpetuating the toxic cycle of art gatekeeping, and invalidating any artists who have "bad" or "unfinished " art. Instead the argument should be to not trace every detail of a piece, but to use tracing as a tool to assist with composition pieces that you struggle with, (ie; tracing a hand into your work, or using a model to create a rough sketch of your figure's pose, tracing the complex and intricate details of a character's outfit, etc), and to clearly mark or state when you are copying another artists work as an art study on that particular artist (obviously give credit to the original.). There is no "right" or "wrong" way to make art, (unless you are stealing someone else's hard work and saying its your own, but that's theft, not art), but there are ethical ways of incorporating other people's work in your own.

[@dan1elr]

Tracing will never be an assistant if you're learning, or in general to create art. You want to learn from the work of other artists? Break down their work and construct sketches using shapes/gestures. Same applies to anything you use as a reference. But tracing gives you nothing, and artists, please, don't fool yourself into this pathetic mentality

[@Amber_Scarlet]

​@@dan1elr*When you only read the first sentence and jump to conclusions* I get why some people will think that way, but there are instances where tracing, using stencils, incorporating other people's works into your own *is* a useful tool and something you should do. I hate the mentality of "you have to learn the basics before you branch out" or "learn the rules before you break them", it should instead be, "learn what is important to you and your particular artistic direction" and "learn the rules as you break them in purposeful and meaningful ways" Art is not a concrete science, and it never will be. Those who say otherwise aren't artists, they're critics. And I've never had the time or care to listen to a person bastardize someone else's life work and passions. Also, your comment makes me thing that you... Just... Did not understand what I was saying at all. Just... Stop telling other people that they aren't allowed to do art because they "aren't good enough". Stop perpetuating this toxic cycle.

[@dan1elr]

@@Amber_Scarlet Well, now from reading your reply I can clearly say that you *do not* understand what my comment states, as well as the point of the video. First of all, I have *not* jumped to conclusions, I've clearly read your comment multiple times before posting mine. Just because I mentioned that "tracing is not art", doesn't mean it's a rough conclusion. In fact, tracing is not art, and that's why professional artists and artists who respect themselves will never *post* that work. And you are jumping out of the conversation by mentioning stencils, which, well, you really mentioned stencils...? How does that even relate to this? We can use a circled stencil to create the cranium of the head, and later apply detail. That's totally normal. And in fact, do use stencils if you need help with shapes, never seen problems with that. Furthermore, you do *have* to learn the basics before you branch out" and you do *have* to "learn the rules before you break them". Reason? It's simple. In order for you to "learn what is important to you and your particular artistic direction", you *have* to know the basics. That's because art is not a concrete but science. Apart from the feelings it has, it also has logic involved. *How can you expand in a field without knowing what the field is based on?* One thing too: if you wouldn't have time to care, you wouldn't post the main comment and a reply to my comment. *Subsequently, I have never said that people aren't allowed to do art because they "aren't good enough".* You made this out of air and it was ignorant of you to do so. You think it's a toxic cycle? Well, did you think about those whose art gets stolen and published by others claiming the "owners" title? Genuinely, how is that okay and morally right? The only word that applies here is *pathetic.* *The actual conclusion is: trace whatever you want and how you want, and if you somehow learn from that, well, sure. However, if you decide to post that, don't try and claim that the work is yours, you have not created it, and don't be surprised if you see negativity towards you.* // Question closed

[@JJo1792]

​@@dan1elr You're just wrong and some random person on youtube. People that have been doing this for years, the FUCKING MASTERS have been doing this for years. This video floored me. There's a huge community of artists that really get extremely cartoonishly toxic towards people who create differently? Focus on your fucking art, when did people start gatekeeping art to this extent. It's fucking disgusting and literally, I'm sorry I hope none of these artists see success for their work. They don't deserve it. Art is about expression. The moment you start trying to police how people express themselves, honestly go fuck yourself.

[@dan1elr]

​@@JJo1792 People have been doing what for years? Tracing? I think people have been studying anatomy throughout the last hundreds of years. Tracing has never been a "learning process", rather an efficient tool for quick transferring. These are the actual masters and they are the ones to deserve the title of an Artist, not your crappy traced so called "artworks" made by ignorant people. Nobody gives a damn f*ck about these people, until they start to steal artworks. That's the only and only issue, a very reasonable issue. If you can't respect the art of others, then *you* should be the one to leave this community.

[@LordKaraOfficial]

I notice the artists style is... too complex for my eyes. So it's hard to see the individual hands, earrings, and things. I stick to more simple styles... but I have mixed feelings and still improving.

[@bearlovett1377]

Every time I hear another bit of evidence I just hear Dj Khaled going "Another one"

[@Ercia-k9c]

A lot more pros trace than you may realize. I have seen some nicely executed art work that started on a foundation that was traced over photographs. There are some artists that are listed as some of the best and they start with tracing.

[@c.hloii.]

wait what if she traces other artworks for the face and then uses AI applications to finish the rest of the body/clothes… like the arlecchino piece with traced face and weird AI looking clothes

[@HPFireYT]

It’s crazy how much being able to render well can cover up lack of skill. All the art looks good on first glance, but that’s the issue. Anyone who’s looking to buy a cool print at a con is likely only going to look for a little bit. It’s only after they get home and have more time to look that they might notice. Really sucks this has been happening so often.

[@renize_p]

I’m so sad. I came accross this by accident a month ago. Her artworks really looked ethereal to me with the rendering and all. I was even thinking of doing art because I was so inspired by hers. I’m not going to quit art though but I’m just really sad that the artist I really admired was tracing this entire time 😞.

[@leyyaballim1458]

I used to FOLLOW THEM omg they were such a big inspiration for drawing modern outfits for genshin characters also follow ASK I love making art studies of her art style

[@Utrilus]

Lol, so you're tracing the tracers work. > sarcasm. You should know how much easier using reference making making good looking art. And that it's common to the point of most artists doing it.

[@leyyaballim1458]

@@Utrilus I don’t trace art I just like how they used to make modern outfits for genshin characters also making art studies doesn’t require tracing the artist’s work it requires lots of practice and understanding the artist’s reasoning for exaggerating certain features plus I didn’t know they traced art to begin with since I saw them before following ASK ( note: you can trace other’s art but don’t post it claiming it as your own and make sure to credit the artist if you do post it online and it’s good to draw something from scratch without the help of tracing)

[@Utrilus]

@@leyyaballim1458 If watching pewdiepie learn taught me anything it takes copying good artist's work to get good at drawing yourself. And well, making really nice things. When he drew without reference they looked markably worse, but still better than before he started. Like copying is super important for art. Seeing videos like this just pisses me off. Like tearing down artists cause they copy, when like that's how artists get the best results and make the best art, reference. The summary of this video pretty much is if you refrence never post stuff online. 💀 Lest you get one angry customer who is gonna do everything to tear your career down. Sorry for venting.

[@leyyaballim1458]

@@Utrilus it’s fine! It’s good you’re learning about plagiarism since many new artist and even professional artists doesn’t understand what classifies as plagiarism and copyright

[@leyyaballim1458]

@@Utrilus also I don’t like people who steal artwork and claim it as their own (also profiting off it by selling merchandise and offering commissions) it’s horrible that this happens so often to artists

[@Ardeact]

I feel like the Art industry is in shambles

[@Miriko_exe]

I’m honestly so disappointed in yeurei. She was actually one of the artists I look up to because it’s so hard to make art into a career in Singapore but she somehow did it. When I went to cons, I’d look for her booth. Now, it’s so sad to see one of my inspirations tracing…and FROM ASK??? I’m really disappointed.

[@cjane5141]

If you look carefully.. it is not traced. Just heavily referenced. And only the pose.. eventually we are going to run out of pose framed in a specific way if we are going to call it tracing and call out people for it

[@courtneyk9755]

Idk why I’m getting recommended this so late but this whole thing is insane. She 100% traced way more than those 4 and it’s so messed up knowing she was profiting off of theft. But I gotta say the person asking for a refund based off the line situation and a suspicion is also kinda crazy. Like… The artist can only control so much of what is happening from behind the booth. This is some crazy entitlement. Especially for an AA purchase which is still essentially a small business. I think this person got home and had buyers remorse and took it out on the artist. They should have paid better attention before making the purchase, especially if they were going to possibly regret how much they spent or were in a bad mood. But it’s still so serendipitous that that entitlement brought the tracing to light lol.

[@ollamiu]

that person apparently spent a ton of money at AX AA & didn't have issues with any other artists. what they spent at yeu's booth was

[@courtneyk9755]

@@ollamiu Thats almost worse then bc they clearly have money to burn

[@OcarinaLink24]

I wanted to punch my screen at “the burden of proof would have to fall on you” that AI wasn’t used. That is one of the most Karen things I’ve ever heard, even is they did end up uncovering shadiness.

[@loyard1167]

I think at 19:26 you accidentally thought that ask's artwork was drawn by yeurei. And said that ask's work had that weird ai/tracing anatomy

[@hrdldy9869]

Yea i was confused too lmao

[@yanderechannel-chan6165]

fun fact, if you look correctly @ specifically 6:36 , she's not just holding the frame, but got a finger through the lens as well when lifting them, maybe that was the intended pose even if the tracing part can't rlly be defended and if anything, probably A.I. too lot of clashing details not making sense here

[@KeiMidori_]

This one caught me off guard cause they’re so good and clearly knows how to draw good anatomy but just… chose to trace. They also seem to only trace the face angles mostly, and they totally could’ve just used 3d models, it’s so baffling. I really really like their art too, it’s a shame

[@sunheart_aquarelle]

the holding of the glasses I can see be done, one finger underneath the frame and one above it, but it's by no means natural.

[@mishyee]

It’s really unfortunate. i waited in line for 20-30 minutes to pick up one of her Dan Heng acrylic stand blocks for a friend who was stuck in Exhibit Hall and she seemed really sweet and genuine so i followed her page shortly after the purchase😪 The girl has talent, i just wish she hadn’t turned to tracing. She was one of the few artists who had a line to her table every single day at all hours of the con.

[@Utrilus]

She's not tracing, she's referencing very well. Almost every artist does this, getting a good reference does wonders for making beautiful art.

[@flopcartman]

@@UtrilusHer drawings are literally one to one with the original pictures, how is this not tracing? 💀

[@Utrilus]

​@@flopcartman The only similarities are in the pose and face shape. And even then they are not perfectly 1 to 1. Just impressively close. Eyes are different, characters are different, hair are different, colors are different, details are different. Most things are different. I wouldn't call this plagiarism, it's just referencing a pose and face shape and then drawing a new character in it. Most artists do this.

[@SilverFox_san]

​@@UtrilusI think you should rewatch the video

[@lekhanhtrangtran5739]

It is tracing. Stealing from other artists to make quick bucks from one of the most profitable franchises. (I’m familiar with con artists and some will deliberately follow these franchises cause’s it’s a real bussiness tactic. Not saying doing this is wrong.) It is all about money making. Being an artist and knowing how artists are constantly getting robbed and pushed around by the algorithm, the AI bros and getting their art stolen to make profit while they themselves makes little to no money, is not something a respectable artist would do. She could have traced their work to learn to draw better. No one would have said a thing. She could have traced their works to gain popularity on socmed so she can sell her own art/ make commission. It is still not good at all but it’s better than stealing from an artist to make half-assed arts (all those weird details and blatant anatomy fails, as an artist, no one who can draw at that level would let their arts look like a disgrace like that), of the most easily profitable franchises right now, have the audacity to call out and expect their fans to slander a customer that supported her and now demand refunds of the low quality works (mind you, weird artifacts and anatomy as I stated). Why are you still defend such a person? Have you never seen artists that so insecure about their works despite how good they’re just because it is not popular because it’s original work not fanart? Have you seen these people have been blatantly stolen by some “popular fandom” fanartists? Where is the justice in that that you just can steal from the better but less popular people - that just because they didn’t want to sell their soul to the money - and make tens of thousands dollars while the hardworking original artists struggle to put themselves out there? Next time you defend a person like this, ask yourself do they actually worth it, even more so than the ones they harmed by stealing from them? Does supporting the stealers make you happy morally?

[@mtsyuu_]

5:28 tbh I make the same mistake in the anatomy. It’s a pretty careless observation in my opinion. Just listening to all of the observations is kind of.. off putting (?) to me? But that’s just me ig..

[@BoldActionSkitty]

Yeah but Kat doesn't say that to criticize artists, she does so to point out inconsistencies bc the art was accused of being AI. Especially when the "art" has a lot of beginner mistakes but has amazing rendering.

[@mimilapin]

Seems like they may have used an AI to "complete" some images (extend beyond the edge of the illustration) among other things. Thats so disappointing. :[ Honestly, when people go to cons, make an effort to support traditional hand drawn art as a commission. Its soooo cool to have a piece of physical art and you have a very low chance of getting scammed with a physical piece of art!

[@ideksams]

oh man, something i noticed is that it's interesting how you can be accused of using AI for having really good art, but then also the flipside, with having... confusing art?

[@banji7612]

Honestly, people would definitely also accuse me of tracing AI (it did happen) but that's because I never learned how to correctly draw anatomy (too lazy to learn) so my pieces all look a little weird if u look very closely. I'm putting way too much detail in one part of the drawing and another part looks like dogwater😭

[@keepyourshoesathedoor]

Relatable.

[@froggyringu]

18:56 I think she traces parts of art pieces and then feeds it into AI who finishes it.

[@s18uwu6]

A couple things I'll disagree with. "Artists are lazy" in reference to adding more detail than needed... nah. Also it's 100% possible to get a 1 to 1 of something just by referencing it, the whole upside down picasso thing as a precursor to other practices to help with that. That being said this artist absolutely engaging in unsavory activities.

[@ryanclouse299]

8:06 Yeah, I am totally a lazy artist. I am called out. lol xD I love drawing simple things even though I know that additional time will add a lot to the drawing. My current character designs are a doozy so I came here to procrastinate. Guess the universe is telling me to get back to work. lol

[@Inkwell]

Wild, when you think you're just ranting about a Karen customer and you lose your career, rip. Walked past there booth a few times at AX but couldn't get close enough to notice the questable things, they defentinly had a lot of customers.

[@jstqw]

its easy to copy stuff so much that they align 1:1 I am no way even remotely as good as them, but sometimes when I get lucky, face features literally overlaying 1:1 with a photo I am copying. Without grid obv Lmao at 23 min that is the best giveaway though, KEKW

[@KanuKanu11]

200k followers, and they trace :/

[@TheVidgamejunkie]

To be fair, they traced a really good artist 😂

[@VickyGambles]

i am currently learning to draw and 100 percent trace artists work that I look up to for PRACTICE. I do NOT ever post or claim any of that art as my own regardless of how much rendering or changes i make. I simply do this for myself and myself alone to teach my brain how to achieve certain things. It makes me sick that someone would steal others artwork for a profit. put the work in and make your own work.

[@yourlocal_noodleish]

I'm honestly very dissapointed in Yeurei.. she was one of my biggest inspirations in my artwork and merch wise... that's a shame.

[@Luxliry]

Tracing ai is actually beyond crazy, what a shame

[@yuukc]

loving the meow sounds at the background~

[@katliente]

my cat likes to add his opinion xD

[@Verårtu]

I thought I was crazy 😭

[@Tail_sez]

I was wondering who else noticed that!

[@cb-akp]

i rly hope she apologized to the original person she put on blast for asking for a refund. that was so brazen and uncalled for considering she knew she had done wrong.

[@visenia]

i wouldnt say its tracing, but it is copying

[@touzkue]

Traced or or heavily referenced, original artist always has to be mentioned. I agree that some of her work is traced (lots of them) but i can see that some of them are actually heavily referenced as well. Sometimes when i heavily reference something, i usually erase, undo, redraw, until it is 1 to 1, even if not traced.

[@hiddenbruh]

At this point, you should even believe these ppl when they decided to put what was a private matter between artist and client, on blast bec their feelings got hurt. Artist should have handled it like a professional and worked it out behind the scene but no they decide to go to twitter, which makes it even more believable that they using ai.

[@GamerKittyEuphoric]

I trace to learn -- and if I do "show" it I show the original next to it 100% of the time.

[@exoespeon]

As an artist who has to, “work through the ugly sketches” watching people trace really grosses me out. Makes me think twice about following a page before I can really be forsure their art is of their own thoughts. I see one on KZbin who particularly gets under my skin because she uploads premade assets, like jewels. masks them to fit an eye shape ,and change the hue with some highlights and calls it rendering. So it’s not just outlines anymore. People are faking to be good at rendering, when really what they are doing is more like graphic design. Taking premade assets to make a new image