Artist Couple Needs Financial Advice - Til Debt Do Us Part - Tuned Out

[@cita_m]

I am an artist and a musician. But I also have two kids, so I have to put them first. I work full time outside of my preferred field. Grow up, have lovely hobbies that make a little money and don't rely on other people to take care of you.

[@javaskull88]

“It doesn’t matter if the paycheck comes or not, as long as we do the art.” 🤯

[@eunicejazz98]

Yeah they are going to live in a car but doing the art.😮

[@ayela562]

They say they like their home to express who they are , they like to go out to eat because they don’t like to cook .. etc. I like those things. But I can’t afford every one of my likes. I like a roof over my head the most 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@colleenduffy1139]

This!

[@the.blue.raven7777]

Well said 🎉🎉🎉

[@bovnycccoperalover3579]

OMG, expressive art therapy at 5300! The only one getting anything out of that is the "teacher"! Yikes!!!!

[@spf_500]

Expressive. Art. Therapy.

[@MoreMedication]

I’ll have you know it is very well-researched field of study. Just ask any parent who has given their pre-schoolers permanent markers 😂

[@spf_500]

@@MoreMedication 😂 😂 😂

[@afw3929]

Well, that was painful to watch. I wish there was a follow-up to know if they were ever “discovered.” I don’t understand why a 40 year old woman with no children was unable to attend schooling/training AND work. At least part-time. Their dreams will be nightmares in 30 years if they don’t plan for their life as they age.

[@MrsEJV]

She can’t work. Who would take care of the dolls? She (and the dolls) are visiting from a different planet - where EVERYTHING is free, free, free.

[@MoreMedication]

Have you heard of them? So I’m guessing they weren’t. Not that I hoped bad things would happen to them, as they seem kind-hearted, but they just aren’t living in the real world. And I don’t think they learned a thing during their episode. I do wish them the best, and now that there are so many music sites available perhaps they are making a living through one of them.

[@Jane5720]

She’s spoiled and lazy

[@janelleg597]

@@MoreMedication "The paycheck may or may not come, but the important thing is we create the art." yep, they're in Lala Land

[@bluewinter1969]

SŹZŹAaà

[@kingdedede9576]

Anytime anyone spends $2500 in cash, they know exactly where it's going; they'd just rather not say lol

[@caterinaramirez8864]

They thought they spent way more on eating out a month, and didn’t connect the dots that a lot of that cash in presumably going to restaurants 🤦‍♀️

[@irenedoherty3159]

Waiting to be discovered in your forties Both of them need to grow up

[@reneebenotartist]

I am a recording artist for over 20 years, and I find many musicians in the same predicament. Being a musician is not the only creative job you can do while working on your music. It takes humility to acknowledge your financial deficiency. There is nothing like accepting where you are in life and making adjustments. Change is inevitable and it is the only thing we can be sure of. I enjoy Gail and her suggestions and how she helps see their financial reality. This couple should be grateful for the lesson and the 3K they received instead of being disappointed that they did not receive the 5K. Show less

[@carylhalfwassen8555]

I find “artists”, “intellectuals”, “academics” often consider themselves as preferring not to be sullied by every day, nitty gritty activities that put a roof over their heads or prepare for retirement.

[@candi0826]

Why the heck isn’t the woman working they don’t even have kids. She had no reason to not be a working woman.

[@americandevo]

Amen sister! Even with 2 kids I helped supplement our income by cleaning houses! She can clean a house, earn money and sing her heart out while doing it

[@susanmcconnell6536]

She's lazy as heck.

[@102tatertot]

Somehow they both strike me as people that NEED to do a psychedelic, and NEVER should take psychedelics lol. Being an “artist” isn’t an excuse for being 40 and going nowhere

[@debbielockhart7762]

I'm pretty sure they had already taken many psychedelics. They will be in their 60s by now.

[@Frugal_fitchic]

I like to decorate my house with antiques and different Decour but I hit garage sales and have a $10 a week budget.

[@catherinewilke5583]

Someone told Valerey she was special when she was 10, and she took it to heart. I thought i liked the dude better but he basically said I don’t care if I can pay my bills. These two should be living in the bushes in a tent.

[@lyndsae77]

Poor Valerie has champagne taste on a koolaid budget. 🤣

[@amandab8433]

Not even Koolaid. More like the store brand you find at the Dollar Store

[@Liimpy]

Flavor-Aid.. lol

[@lightworlddouglas4601]

Lightworld. I hope they were “discovered” otherwise they Valerie has “princess attitude” but is Cinderella. She has No Outside the BOX attitude.

[@AndyinMTL]

Facts lol

[@zy510]

On a tap water budget 😂

[@joannamoody]

19:14 Gail: “Are you waiting for him to break?” Wife: “No” while she nods her head ‘yes.’

[@sgc1401]

A job in a music store, bookstore, cafe, antique store, or similar would be perfect for her.😊

[@JewelBlueIbanez]

Music stores in Canada don’t just hire people. I had an interview at Long & McQuade, but they send you away for training for several months and expect you to do it as a career, but don’t pay that great and you still have to work evenings and weekends, which is problematic if you’re also a performing musician.

[@Chelle-kd1po]

They should be closing in on retirement at this point in time. I would love an update.

[@shannonobrien9922]

Gail walked

[@hollyb6885]

They shouldn’t count on staying in the rental when they retire. The rent could go way up. The owners might decide they want to live in the house themselves.

[@710LENNY]

This show was aired around 10 or more years ago. The rent has gone WAY up since then, or else the property has fallen apart from neglect. If they didn't learn from Gail, they will have learnt from circumstances.

[@christinebutler7630]

They could wind up living in a van by the river in retirement at the rate they're going.

[@caterinaramirez8864]

She mentioned that they will wind up in a home eating crackers if they don’t save for retirement…. Totally clueless that retirement homes are EXPENSIVE and the government wouldn’t ever cover it unless you are like completely lost the ability to care for yourself and even then there’s a wait list. They are just counting on someone else to care for them and taking zero responsibility for themselves! They will be lucky to have that van to live in honesty

[@aussiemouth747]

Or owners want to sell. Happened several times when I was renting. Heartbreaking and unexpected.

[@debbielockhart7762]

​@710LENNY Closer to 20 years ago. Many places in Canada are limited to how much the rent can be raised annually. Here in BC it is tied to the inflation rate.

[@elipotter369]

Yikes! Living in fantasy land. Note to self: don't be like these people. And she's a liability - way over-confident, deluded and doesn't sound good singing or present well at all.

[@710LENNY]

"If Gail wants her to find a job, I don't know how that will go over." I mean, really? Doesn't she know how many artists/musicians/actors wait tables and drive cabs waiting for their big chance? They also probably had a tab at the bar they were singing at. I wonder how bankruptcy went over for what amounts to their primary food provider. I hope their landlord saw the program and has the forms filled out for every month they miss rent.

[@elizabethallen4353]

That guy needs to run away from her. She’s totally delusional

[@nanettemorton4054]

Most musicians don't get "discovered" -- they work to build their careers. If she taught music on the side and brought in some money, he would have enough time to look for side gigs playing at lounges, weddings etc.

[@colleenduffy1139]

This! He's like cinderella waiting for her prince.

[@MoreMedication]

@Nanette: Exactly. I went to elementary school with Larry Gowan. (He was a year older/would not remember me ;-) After finishing his secondary education he went on to tour alone as Gowan, and later with a Toronto bar band called Rheingold. In ‘99 he was invited to join Styx, where he remains today. He has had great success, but he worked hard for every bit of it. He knew what he wanted from a very young age and devoted his life to working towards that dream.

[@MoreMedication]

@Colleen: Without a doubt. And she is hoping that when the prince shows up he’ll have a twin in tow for her. They don’t need someone to save them, they should be doing the work themselves. As a recently retired couple I am so glad we listened when people advised us to buy RRSP’s 40 years ago. When they retire they are going to be shocked to their very core.

[@rawilliams5881]

Before my hearing went I made part of my living as a professional musician. Most of my income came from teaching music and playing weddings. Not from jazzing or recording although I did those things too. And yes, I kept a full-time day job.

[@rawilliams5881]

I've seen him play live. He totally rescued Styx.

[@lolareh8756]

Gail wasted her time and money on this couple. He seems like a nice guy, but she has totally got him under her thumb. She's delusional. It doesn't mean they're not nice people and have big dreams, but they aren't living in reality. You have to work hard to achieve your dream. You can't just sit on your butt and wait for someone to knock on your door and hand you the money. I'm sure they'd be fun to have as friends, but I wouldn't want to be financially responsible for either one of them. Sorry to be harsh, but I am older and retired now and keeping up the struggle to maintain on my retirement. Boy do I wish I had a chance with Gail a bunch of years ago even though I live in the United states. I would be so much better off. I'm rewatching all of her videos, and trying to implement every piece I can pick out of it that I might be able to do. I Can Feel The Strain starting to go away already. I recommend everybody in a similar situation, do the same. Take charge, thanks to Gail, and go forward. Blessings to everyone.

[@SignedOff402]

They probably turn into a sub/dom S&M act in the bedroom.

[@KS0102]

You have to be careful though. You can work your ass off for the wrong people and get taken advantage of and go nowhere. You have to be SMART and LUCKY.

[@ginaa284]

yeah want to put $ to savings so I can travel -to a homeless shelter maybe??

[@cabayern9416]

She is lazy and using him. Hope he dumps her and establishes no contact. Let her take care of herself.

[@peggypeggy4137]

Yes, this lady is lazy. He resents what she is doing but he's a doormat. She strikes me as a scammer/manipulator that knows the system well and takes advantage of every available free service out there. One of my relatives is like that. They work under the table so that they can collect whatever they can. I object to this parasitic approach because there are so many that actually can't work. I wonder if this couple are still together after all this time?

[@NotAFanOfHandles]

That scream at 21:02 had me 💀 Yeah, screamy voice, me too, me too🤣

[@RussellRonnebaum]

My compliments to the editor…🤌🏻

[@ronashah872]

Delusional. Truly. It's amazing how these people survive for this long. Ultimate champaine taste and beer budget

[@shellymay-cutpastememories6667]

More like a ‘tap water’ budget ;)

[@ronashah872]

@@shellymay-cutpastememories6667 hahah exactly!

[@shannonobrien9922]

Champagne

[@vypersoft1]

Out of touch with financial reality???? Hell, she is out of touch with just reality!

[@agriope2334]

It's about 20 years too late, but RUN, man! He could live so much better with a partner helping out instead of constantly compensating for her laziness. I don't even know how someone who loves you tells you to keep working a job you hate so they can do whatever. This was sad

[@gkhwpgmom]

Valerey was easy to find online bc her name is spelled different. She is now a life coach/art therapist for indigenous people in Ontario.

[@locgoblin3079]

White liberals telling brown people what to think 😂😂😂 I'm not surprised

[@LS-xq5nf]

Oh boy.

[@MoreMedication]

Last week I was reading an article in the NYT on life coaching. It almost sounds like a MLM scheme. You take the expensive courses, and then try to rope in newbies to learn from your expensive courses. Yes, some people do actually earn a living if they can build up a steady clientele, but most never reach that level. Also, what makes her especially appealing to indigenous people? Does she have some in her ancestry? Has she had previous experience working closely with them in their communities? Or does she just think that dream-catchers are really pretty and lots of fun to make?

[@aussiemouth747]

Terrifying!🙉👻

[@pamsmith1665]

How well do indigenous people pay?

[@karforeman1556]

Wow, I really hoped that guy realized how uneven that relationship is and did something about it. Like leave her high and dry with her weird drum/music healing.

[@aleishaharris1084]

I love watching these lower income couples

[@nancycozier4018]

What the hell were these people thinking?!?

[@CM-sk6te]

Aw man 😂😂😂 This one hits hard for me cause im a working artist. It is one of the hardest things someone can decide to do, and no one prepares you for the reality of how hard it is. At the start,my crummy apartment was barren for years, i thrifted everything including art supplies, i did dogwalking for years to pay the bills. Lots of folks want to live the artist aethetic but not the reality. Also, if you are shopping and eating out so much, when are you making, practicing, and promoting your work?????

[@SaintoTube]

40 year old jazz musicians waiting to be discovered? Even if they were.... how many rich jazz musicians in Canada do you know? The delusion is so strong.

[@Kaaybrat]

Diana Kroll. End of list lol

[@janelleg597]

Oooof This lady never grew up and still playing with dolls and drums in Lala Land.

[@haweater1555]

Right away this "Expressive Arts Therapy", paid by card, seems some kind of private "course" with a very dubiously recognized "certification" . The only people who make a living off those careers are the ones selling the training.

[@giselleximenacazarez5368]

Muchísimas GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR DESDE MEXICO 🇲🇽

[@debbieframpton3857]

This lady looks like she could be the guy's mother and she needs to grow up

[@lapetitechatmere6749]

The way she didn't break her creepy eye contact with that guy when making her noises. 👀 She is absolutely delusional. I wish Gail had told her that she's not talented. Someone needed to.

[@Maya-ln1os]

To be so artistic & creative...they sure limit themselves and don't think outside the box for different ways to earn money! There's plenty they can do. At the ages they are, this is painful to watch.

[@bovnycccoperalover3579]

But are they artistic and creative enough to live on. It seems not.

[@Frugal_fitchic]

I would have loved the RV❤

[@christinebaker2883]

A creative artist music class? 5400 Dollars on credit Amazing

[@valeriaproductions]

I saw nothing wrong with that AWESOME bus!!!

[@janeandrews1790]

True artists know how to create a beautiful living space without spending a ton of money and have a lot of credit card debt. Long past time to apply that creativity to make beautiful while making do.

[@justchelton]

The scream at the end 😂😂😂

[@mposey-yy8il]

Hysterical

[@solidstate9451]

Success is 1% talent and 99% transpiration. If you want to be successfull in art you have to work double as much as people in office jobs. A voice needs to be trained on a daily base. And even then... there are a shitload of amazing singers out there who are willing to work hard and yet a tiny percentage makes it. (Usually the good-looking)

[@bevhocking1752]

Valerey in total denial of their situation. Thought he had got it until his final sentence. You can take a horse to water but ya can't make it drink 🤔

[@PamelaSpade]

I spent 40 years playing viola in very small orchestras or being a church choir director while working a regular job. That’s what about 99% of musicians do: make music part time. Give up the stupid expressive arts therapy degree and go get an office or retail job and play gigs in the evening!

[@karforeman1556]

Ok, if you have to go to a restaurant to feel 'nurtured,' you need to get a better support system. Besides your poor husband who's putting up with you.

[@aussiemouth747]

Almost as bizarre as the ghastly healing dolls.

[@MrsEJV]

“Perfectionism”? Really? Oh sweetie- you have a LONG way to go! Did Gail say she was 40? Looks way older than that to me. Can there be a career in touchy feeling don’t make any effort? I’d toss her to the curb. She truly believes she’s special. And the dolls .....heaven help us.

[@cmac3602]

Oh dear Lord, those dolls.

[@ruthirwin8222]

@@cmac3602 those dolls were creepy and a 40 looking like 60 making them ..my 3 year old grandson could do better

[@the.blue.raven7777]

She would miss the jacuzzi 😂😂😂😂😂

[@territ1231]

I wish the US would give us 2700.00 Social Security a month!

[@Mootpoint24]

They are still together and she works in her field. Glad they made it work

[@avres13]

Field of being lazy and not growing up and getting a big girl job.

[@kunya16]

Her field is fake "jobs"

[@sterlling1]

But DID THEY make it work?

[@ccjdis]

I was unable to watch the entire episode because they bugged me so much. dreamers.

[@Sarahischarmed]

Looks like today she’s an expressive arts therapist and certified life coach

[@spiritofsalt6780]

@@_____________888 That made me lol.

[@susanmcconnell6536]

I'm sure she's raking in the dough!

[@kunya16]

Life coach 😂

[@shirley1413]

Life coach, I’m sorry but that’s a joke, will she advise you on the best way to rack up debt By paying her life coaching fees?. And then file bankruptcy!

[@c.parker8439]

I wonder, where are they now

[@lynnettemurphy8243]

Living in a van.

[@soolly357]

Down by the river​@@lynnettemurphy8243

[@jaxemay7027]

I want these visual aides and books!

[@susanmcconnell6536]

Neither of them had a LOT of talent, but SHE was just awful to listen to. Get a job, lady!!

[@agatanakonieczny2213]

Susan, I saw your comments somewhere else. Are you aware you might be a troll/hater?

[@slf5141]

They are in "la la land " .. not faciing reality.

[@caterinaramirez8864]

I thought her singing was pretty awful but that maybe it was my low quality speakers. Guess not lol

[@susanmcconnell6536]

@@caterinaramirez8864 It was hideous!!

[@susanmcconnell6536]

@@agatanakonieczny2213 Are you aware that I don't care what you think, AGATA?

[@debbielockhart7762]

OMG her at the interview. Yeah, that's going to appeal to rock singers lol.

[@javaskull88]

You can have a certain desired standard of living, or you can be an artist. Not both.

[@dyskelia]

I’ve seen so much of this in my life. If you haven’t been discovered by 40, you need to get a receptionist job and sing karaoke on the weekends. And if you go back to school, it has to be so you can have a job that pays. Don’t do art therapy…become a psychologist or something.

[@frankperino4215]

Princess

[@rayhill5767]

“Artist” Narcissist don’t have a plan. They take to feed their hole.

[@sillililli01]

If the break hasn't come at this point in your life, you either missed it, or it's never going to come.

[@lyndakelly564]

you're right. Susan Boyle was the only exception I can think of.

[@zy510]

@@lyndakelly564 yep! And for many years she never thought she'd become famous. She just sang to herself at home because she loved it

[@k.d.k1250]

Champagne taste with a beer budget🤷‍♀️

[@JewelBlueIbanez]

This is in Canada. They could have financed their instruments interest free for 12 months through Long & McQuade back then. No need to put it on a credit card.

[@Jane5720]

Why does he say that he needs a plan from her he should be having his own plan and yeah there’s just so many things wrong here so so many things especially from Valerie she’s like living this little dream world

[@prudencek7087]

Wow, this woman was seriously out of touch with reality.🤦🏽‍♀️ Oops... after hearing the man's last comment, it seems they are both out of touch...👀 I really wonder where they are now.

[@General_Zod99]

she needs to sue bobs burgers since frond ripped off her dolls lol

[@christinebaker2883]

My partner is a musician and photographer for pay. And has a day job. I would not have a just an artist.

[@ddchomeschool]

Couldn’t they perform at weddings or birthday parties and play covers?

[@christianjonker8181]

6:23 the camera makes a special appearance 🤣

[@lauraann7816]

Yep a little peek a boo 😂

[@user-vg6ym5xy2r]

“Expressive Arts Therapy”?? Sounds like a bunch of baloney.

[@liveyourlife7367]

If they don't get their ish together, they are going to being living homeless on the streets!

[@marciebigley1820]

This woman doesn't realize she was going to be homeless someday. I can't imagine that they've been able to avoid it.

[@zlandaz03]

What a horrible delusional selfish woman. But then again he is just as delusional as she is but at least he works.I would have left her a long time ago.He might he already feels resent. they should not have gotten that much money.

[@sossykevork5624]

Get a real job sweet heart!!!

[@marynorton6068]

I know too many people like valerey. She doesn’t want to work. Ever. And she thinks she’s entitled not to. If she’s in a situation where she has nothing else to do, she goes back to education in order to avoid getting a job. No mention of what job she will get when her drum beating course is finished🙄

[@jamesstuart3346]

Even when the couple's main problem is keeping track of cash, they are put on a cash budget and offered a cash reward

[@Theguys1]

A pair of flakes!

[@dreamingfool2]

"I don't think I can meet Gale's expectation of $2100 a month." - So you're saying you can't find a job paying $13 - $15/hour? Which was close to minimum wage in Canada at the time 🤔. So she refuses to take a minimum wage job? 🙄 They're like many "artistic" posers who have no real passion. They're close minded and pretentious.

[@dorotaszupina6862]

For this lady getting a job is unrealistic. She's probably counting on inheritance. Let's hope it will come soon enough.

[@chookieist]

I was losing my patience with this couple

[@aussiemouth747]

As soon as she said she eats out because she feels nurtured my concern was lost.🤷‍♀️😆

[@i.m.7710]

Home furnishings are cheap at garage sales and thrift stores! Free on Craigslist! I never pay retail!!!!!!! He should get a music teaching job at a small college.

[@MoreMedication]

Remember that one of their challenges was getting additional job(s) for extra money. They each tried to do so in the music field and both totally bombed the assignment. Teaching isn’t a bad idea, but I don’t think there is much demand for educators with his particular skill set. On the other hand, thrifting and Curb Alerts absolutely rule. We discovered thrifts in our early 30’s and have never looked back. (We have saved so much $$ that way.) I preach it to anyone who will listen. I am ever so grateful to people who only shop retail and consign/donate stuff they tire of.

[@om-nj2hw]

With the price of housing now, I bet they ended up on that buss! You can't be lazy and float by now a days and ialso think she continued to work him to death and she does nothing. He also has his own issues, putting up with her and downgrading his education. Music education is actually hard, so maybe he can't a direct job in music, but he could use his developed mind to create another opportunity. I think he's using her as an excuse not to work on his stuff, and thus not face his insecurities, and at The end of the day be able to blame her for him not getting anywhere.

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

I truly think Valerie is suffering from trauma that is getting in the way of her progress

[@SignedOff402]

I think all of us who fail to live up to our potential are still waiting for validation from our parents, unconditional love which our parents withheld causing us to freeze in place, like a trapped animal or a deer in headlights. Bad parenting is the bane of our society. This excludes the individuals derailed or damaged on the way to adulthood by exploitation. Laziness is rarely the reason.

[@susanmcconnell6536]

I'm suffering from trauma from hearing her "sing"!

[@kunya16]

When a woman does crappy things it's always trauma forced her hand. When it's a man it's always he's toxic and disgusting.

[@ruthirwin8222]

I think shes on drugs

[@brookem225]

Agreed. Praying she finds Jesus and healing.

[@lyndakelly564]

While she's on employment insurance she HAS TO be looking for work otherwise it's fraud.

[@PunkRockGardener]

Not going to sugarcoat it, what a couple of losers.

[@OnedayclosertoFI]

i remember watching this show and episode live many years ago. This woman, I thought it back then and now.... she can't sing but thinks she is so great. Not trying to be mean but it's ok to hum around and sing in the shower but then there is making money at it..... when she was with the older man on the interview to be a teacher and she went into that screaming and smug look on her face.... that guys face said it all lol..... all these years later, I wonder where these people ended up. This show needs a follow-up reboot..... not to make fun or look down on anyone but i will assume many couples from this show like these 2 never got anywhere. now they are at retirement age ish and I bet they are lost as to what to do. We see it with the current younger under-30 crowd.... no clue about life and how to build one. Interesting times we live in.

[@huymbui]

People like this couple give artists a bad name. I have some friends who are artists and none is so ignorant and irresponsible financially.

[@T8rB]

Some of yall have never dated an artist woman and it shows 😮‍💨 she is his muse, or a siren in any case. he won’t wake up until it’s too late.

[@rebvanwinkelstein2578]

A muse to no success? 😂

[@MtnSnowflake]

This woman needs help, not classes on how to be even more dysfunctional. He needs to rein her in or get a divorce cause she's going to keep dragging him down. She's 40 going on 15.

[@ruthirwin8222]

And looks 55

[@cherylT321]

@@ruthirwin8222 That’s what I was thinking!

[@barbie3139]

She says they need more money, yet she works part time. Elephant in the room. Get a full time job and do your hobbies on the side.

[@SignedOff402]

Voodoo dolls?

[@betsy658]

8:20 😱🤣

[@קרקור]

These little scary dolls will hunt me in my sleep

[@susanmitchell8339]

😂😂😂🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@marydawnpafford9969]

Will say, lessons not learned...

[@papersilk]

They didn’t deserve the 3