Artists don't make any Money.

WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO! Why don't artists make any money? Sure, many people say its because there are no jobs but there is a much bigger problem hiding beneath it all.
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[@didi7074]

Art is everywhere. In logos, clothes, shoes, cars, all kinds of technology, food, books, tv...But since it's so common, it became forgotten. What a shame.

[@hillsongaming2822]

Yep it was some idea coming to reality

[@didi7074]

@@hillsongaming2822 Yes! Someone had to do multiple sketches of let's say, a shoe in 3D and 2D before it was made.

[@isaiahtr]

@@didi7074if only other saw art like you do. Art schools really don't put much into what jobs you can get. Most of digital artist I know all want make comic and cartoon.while dose job you mentioned, go to the first or third person that applies.

[@didi7074]

@@isaiahtr I actually only started learning about art jobs 2 years ago. Because NO ONE talks about it outside of the social media. You only unferstand the Art industry if you do research or find out by "accident" through the artists you follow. What a shame

[@isaiahtr]

@@didi7074 well at least you know now. I Think our peers are afraid of competition so they keep it to their self's. I'm a college student and I watch my paintings teacher let kids turn in circle and squares painting. It's like instead pretending to be edgy, use that time to actually practice.

[@synovelle]

“Art should be free,” it is free! It’s free for everyone to do, to learn, to “master”. Your own art is free for yourself. You aren’t entitled to anyone else’s art. You’d pay for someone to paint your house, detail your car, color and cut your hair, so you should pay for art pieces.

[@zaidaliahmed7869]

true and i'm just imagining ppl who read the first line and got triggered as F "“Art should be free,” it is free! It’s free for everyone to do, to learn, to “master”".

[@Artist.359.]

I got so triggered when I read that first line, especially when knowing how long it takes me to make a piece.

[@RamonaFlowerz]

I would just tell them to draw it, theirselves.

[@nero1257]

I agree with you

[@gamestory2834]

Insert "healthcare should be free". Then suppose that healthcare could be copied freely and it becomes an interesting conundrum. Spiritual and artistic regression to keep a low supply to feed into greed. It's no different, albeit healthcare certainly is more important. Art is socioeconomically unevenly distributed. It might be a stepladder for someone poor to reach a higher class, but it's ultimately something that draws unevenly from people on a lower socioeconomic ladder. Buying a movie is a much steeper purchase for someone poor than it's for someone of middle class or upper class background. That cultural enrichment gets severely limited for people of a lower socioeconomic class. Luckily technology has partially solved some of that problem (by making a larger library of culture available at a cheaper price, but even that's dependent on technological access) , but generally copyright has gotten far beyond its original scope. The fact that copyright lasts creator's lifetime + 70 years shows that copyright doesn't serve the public or the advancement of arts, but rather long term profit goals. A person in a normal job can't be expected to profit from their creations in such a manner for ridiculous long time (profiting off of our shared cultural heritage as if it's their property in perpetuity, but record companies and publishing companies and movie production companies have shown that there's no limits to where they'll go for a profit. Really copyright should've long since been cut down, to something like 15-20 years, irrespective of the creator's lifespan. That's a sensible timespan for a creator to be granted monopoly rights until it should be made available to the public, allowing them to profit from their creation. In fact, a lot of big creatives of our pasts were largely dependent on either government stipends, donations from family, private investors or on their own work income to keep their creative endeavors afloat. Some also came from wealth as well. Art really is only worth whatever a consumer wants to pay for it. If it doesn't, then art should indeed be free, otherwise you're wasting creative space. That's of course dependent on following a fully capitalistic view of society in which goods and services are traded on agreed terms, but distributed unequally. Perhaps a central governmental distribution method might be a possibility, allowing all art to be traded by government set prices, that allow for dynamic pricing, allowing these socioeconomic and racial inequalities to be bridged. This might solve other problems that haven't been solved by technology, namely the . Currently a lot of poor people have to spend a large amount of their budget to afford access to big cultural events, often depending on communal efforts and free or low-cost artistic environments to be able to enjoy artistic and spiritual communion. Showing another split in how socioeconomic experiences with access to the world of art is. At the same time art has largely existed as human need for expression and not necessarily a product foremost. I'm far more fearful of a society of capitalistic dominance where creative efforts are stifled through creative monopolies and copyright laws, than I am afraid of a society whereupon not everyone can make a lot of money on creative works. Once everything becomes business, about making as much money as possible, about beating out the other guys, it's easy to imagine what hollow souls we'll have become. Imagine treating yourself as a business. Every gesture you perform, every line of text, everything becomes a business product. We perform manual tasks (ie manual _work_) every day for free, without thinking about it. We open the door for someone, we help someone, we sing songs while taking the bus, etc. A fully capitalistic view on human interaction is one which doesn't encompass the width of human interaction and self-exploration. That's without the big question whether what you're actually making art and not just design. Which would open up another big can of worms.Though the biggest issue overall is centralized businesses feeding off most of the money a lot of artists produce. There's long been problems within the music industry, leaving avenues for income low for a lot of musicians. Even within KZbin this problem has surfaced as well, with how copyright has been handled on KZbin, whereupon creators can even have their income taken from them either due to tiny similarities or just devious use of manual flagging.

[@toriiskarlet274]

Reads title: Looks around: *A r e y o u s p y i n g o n m e"

[@merlet4881]

Torii Skarlet 27 my exact reaction

[@_phong.huynh_]

Yes

[@annabelleharvey6730]

hmmm hmmmmm hmmmmMMMMMM did you... draw you profil picture?

[@ukiyo2616]

lmaoo i just dropped a comment abt my doubts on walking the path to be an artist somewhere in one of his videos and THEN i see this

[@rivershy]

Calling it right now: this guy's KZbin channel will be making him way more money than his art if it isn't already because he has taken a very specific artist-business-educator-youtuber niche.

[@VisualTimmy]

That's the best part about being good at something, you get to help others on your way up :)

[@christophercant]

He broke down his income in another video and he didn't mention art sales at all iirc, it was all YT/gumroad/sponsorship etc.

[@Bufekana]

👍👍👍

[@lazorman96]

I 'm not sure , depending on his stats he could be doing a decent amount of money from the channel , but a good artist in the entertaiment industry can make from 45/50k up to 200k a year , a famous artist that sells pieces at galleries could earn even milions per year , so it really depends

[@EyeOfTheTiger777]

Yeah this is apparently what artists are doing now - supposedly teaching (more like coaching/advising) other artists how to... Fail? Because if artists were successful at doing art, there wouldn't be so many of them going THIS route - making advisory KZbin channels for money. It's a bit sad really... This "niche" will be filled soon too (give it 2 years when the demand will be exhausted) and I wonder what people/artists will do then to earn some extra bucks online.

[@psp4nik]

Did this man just hit the art community with "We live in a society" smh

[@Nexluna]

I almost clicked off because of how it’s started, but I was patient 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@ozkan576]

@@Nexluna Eh, it was straight up facts though no matter how corny or whatever else it sounded.

[@JP-eu2dc]

Nah I'm just lazy, josh

[@snowcie]

Sometimes it be like that. Not gonna lie. HAHAHA

[@RamonaFlowerz]

When you have the potential but just too tired to do it. 😔

[@Bufekana]

@@RamonaFlowerz agree👍😔

[@okcomputerr]

Ramona Flowers so true

[@artsbybware4790]

@@RamonaFlowerz Mood

[@KokoPanic]

my father is a freelance animator, and by the looks of it, it's a pretty hard job, even now because of corona virus (most of his clients were on hold). i am a young artist myself and my dad supports my art journey. one day he decided to ask me if i wanted to open commissions for my art. of course, me not liking my own drawings, i said no. even if after i said that, my dad explained that an artist's job isnt to create something unique or something that inspire others, an artist's job is to follow their client's request and you have to finish it on time or before the deadline. he wanted me to open commissions early so i would know what it feels like to work for a client before i even get a job as an artist. this video reminds me of my dad, and im glad that you made this video for people who wants to have a job as an artist. (sorry my english is p bad)

[@punpudle8865]

:o caan i se your father artwork?

[@KokoPanic]

@@trollrat2828 i never knew it will get this many likes aha

[@cem950]

That made me think of art commisions in a different light,thanks!

[@sheakelley3296]

I need moneyyy, I hate that we are not as recognized as other jobs

[@henrymasih6400]

Sad phase fam

[@HelloMonster]

Agree!

[@henrymasih6400]

@@HelloMonster I've just seen rejection from ppl lol i asked them and few even answered if they wanna buy stuff or not

[@zachampofo4945]

Same

[@alirasool1771]

Um we actually are recognized idiot, best examples would be western comic books that got adapted into the most popular movies like avengers, spider man, super man, iron man, etc. All these superhero movies we're adapted from comic books if you had a brain to realise that fact, also anime and manga are super popular across the world, solo freelance artists are the ones who aren't recognized except for skilled artists like Kim Jong gi, you arent recognized because you aren't good at it, deal with the truth

[@_g_r_u_m_p]

This would’ve helped me soooo much about 22 years ago. I wanted to be a professional artist. Not a single teacher I ever had mentioned reference, construction, hell.. the fundamentals were even glossed over and not treated with the respect they deserve. If only I had the resources we have now (internet). I stayed away from making art for so long after school (22yrs ago now) You’re providing such valuable content for young and old artists alike. I applaud your efforts and wish you all the success. Thank you.

[@jesuschrist2370]

:(

[@Blackhaze3000]

Your not in the ground, I don't see why you can't still shoot your shot a being a pro artist.

[@MrOiram46]

Blackhaze3000 Yeah, a lot of big name artists and cartoonists several decades ago didn’t get their break until in their 40’s

[@CristianDominguezReloaded]

"It's never too late to change your fate" " Goodbye to yesterday" - Incognito

[@shorttravelvideos9649]

We have similar stories. I was a Fine Arts graduate who wasn't taught about these realities early on. Having such insecure financial situation for a few years forced me to shift to software development at 29. Made a career of it for 21 years, had some savings, resigned from my latest job this year, and intends to go back to art. At 50 years old. Wish me luck!

[@brohofied2561]

"oh your drawing is so cute, can you draw me?" "wow nice drawing, draw me something" when i was younger i was exited to hear that kind of things, now, at my 37 years old and after years of drawing and failing on doing something real with it, i find it insulting when someone say to me something like that, im not a kid and to make you spell that "cute drawing" out of your mouth i had to spend countless hours of my life to get at that level for you to come and ask for it as if it was free stuff, i don't work for free unless i want to, and no i don't want to draw your narcissistic face...that's how i see that "compliment" from people today...ejem, ok nice video by the way X)

[@JFresh25]

Lol I don't blame you

[@damn7208]

I love your avatar

[@StarboyAngel]

Start enjoying art

[@mslightbulb]

BAADSHAH I enjoy art, a lot. But enjoying something doesn’t mean I will work for you for free. I worked for 12+ hours straight on a short film for free, do you know how I was after 12+ hours? I was hitting myself with an umbrella because of how meaningless and worthless I felt my work was. And I’m pretty sure, anyone who does this enough, no matter their job, would also go insane, if they were constantly working for nothing, no matter how much they liked doing it.

[@mslightbulb]

BAADSHAH SO STOP TELLING ME TO ENJOY MY WORK, WHEN I ALREADY DO, AND PAY ME MY GODDAMN WORK HOURS, MATERIALS AND EXPERIENCE.

[@tama8918]

Gotta say my parents actively encourage me to embrace my creative side. I'm definitely very thankful for that.

[@ANGEL_OF_ART694]

It’s hard uts really hard same with my parents I want to be a writer and an artist but it doesn’t get us much money we have to follow society’s expectations it’s not fair you have to get “ a realistic job “ and lose yourself to a job you don’t like

[@XXallycat101XX]

It's so heartbreaking to have a talent and skill in something that is so undervalued and underappreciated and is seen as something that should be done for free.

[@1123Barny1]

The only thing thats stopping me is my fear of my future and Im really shy talking to people (being on the introverted side) being really bad at communicating. Where im at nobody in my life such as my friends and family knows about art except me. Im 23 and I started doing art at the beginning of last year and I have improved so far teaching myself from seeing other artists and reading Michael Hamptons book on the human figure ( currently) practicing everyday. Although, from the other side of that, its really hard for me to step out seeking help and I don't really like to ask for help because of my fear of judgment. I don't want to give up on art and being an entrepreneur does make me want to do that or work for an industry as a character designer. Its sounds very intimidating to want to do that but I know I have too step out and I know alot of people feel that way too, not just me. I can say this video is very helpful and very clear for me and its a tiny step and I thank Josh for that. The Thing I need help on is just me being me.

[@ergojosh]

I am very similar to you but a little further on the path! Defeating fear is going to be the most important thing for you. You heard it from me : you wont reach your dreams until you start your journey to defeat it. (I haven't defeated it yet) I wish you the best!

[@henrymasih6400]

Bro we're with u don't think so much! Ne fearless and do it bro

[@mzkii1002]

I'm 17 and I feel the same way been as an artist for a really long time yet I still fall the same fear I am still having to face with confrontation. I feel ill willed how things are going through and also planning for my art portfolio for an enrollment for an art college this year..hopefully. But I do believe things would go well for people like us. Im also quite introverted myself since im homeschooled. Still I really don't know about college though. Learning takes time within growth and development. I find that really.. thoughtful when someone said that to me and we do.

[@henrymasih6400]

@@mzkii1002 man i understand the uneasiness u feel when u want tp present yourselves to someone

[@mzkii1002]

@@henrymasih6400 It is but I do believe that there are ways how josh explained how to make good allowance with art as a career in the video. Everyone can do it.

[@chloexianah3070]

I used to be a professional digital artist in the late 90’s. People want to commission a piece but when they get the price they are like 'are you kidding'. Its like they expect it for free or practically. I point out to them how long a piece will take me and how much my fee works out per hour and it is BELOW MINIMUM WAGE I was made to feel embarrassed about the price and i know I under charged, otherwise i would have got no work. I have a degree in fine art, art history (no digital art, this was early 90’s) but i was at university getting my phd for Astrophysics. I was arty too. I really wanted to work for Disney, Pixar or British space agency. Really infuriating

[@Bufekana]

Can i see some of your work?🙂

[@noahetb2007]

Awe man. You sound like me. I wanted to be an artist for Disney as well. Had I knew what was going to happen I would have stuck with Mechanical Engineering. I still do my art and have one children's book on Amazon. But I would have chosen the Engineering path.

[@UniDeathRaven]

Why would anyone do commissions ? Its a waste of valuable time for artist.

[@ishabayhon]

@@UniDeathRaven Well artists need money of course. It'll be a waste of time for you if you didn't like what you're doing

[@thegrandnil764]

It's a business, not just doing art. You need to brand yourself, and control customer expectation.

[@Moctop]

I disagree that classic or sculpting is necessarily a bad idea..these traditional skills can easily transition into digital form assuming the artist is open for that.

[@imperialtutor8687]

and also a kickass sculptor can make good bank by doing pieces for instutions, government buildings etc. what's holding most fine artists back is not knowing how to market themselves.

[@imsurenlongkumer3728]

Lemme guess.. You didn't take that up did you?

[@dianaaugustine5438]

I agree with you. He is wrong about the classical arts not having any job opportunities. It's like how I don't know the job opportunities in digital art because that's not my area of expertise, he doesn't know what there is to do in the fine arts. I have friends who studied sculpture, who make scenery and sculpture for Disneyland, Zoos, and other parks. I know people who make bronze busts for universities, and build stained glass windows, and restore historic art and architecture. People do all kinds of things, he just might not be aware of it.

[@IllHandleThis]

Diana Augustine I agree. There are some famous sculptors out there right now making bank. It seems to be a trend for people to think digital is the way to go... its best if you’re an artist who can do both rather than just one.

[@nine-vi7rw]

Right. Just look at Rafael Grassetti.

[@Magus_Union]

When I was 17 years old, just before graduating high school, my dad with his wife and I had that 'sit down' conversation you described with most parents about the thought of an 'art career'. He basically told me that "there's no money in art, and you'll never be able to feed yourself if you pursue it,"and that I was "setting myself up for a lifetime of failure," if I went to school to study something so trivial. In the spare moments of my time growing up (in-between video games and dealing with the life of divorced parents), I would occasional draw as a small hobby, but stopped shortly after graduating high school and going to college, where I pursued a STEM based degree. I'll be 32 this year, and I honestly have 'lost' the habit of drawing daily because working and paying bills was more of a priority in life than anything else. While I do enjoy a level of financial stability thanks to what skills I've acquired in the past (which, btw, I've not even worked a single job in the field that my degree is in), my life often feels hollow, almost like I lost who I was/am from back then. My downtime is filled with dread of the grind of the next day with the grind of video games that honestly don't fill me with any passion in life either. Making the business analogy really resonates with how an 'art career' needs to be viewed. Art is a brand, and the promotion of the very soul of a person's talent on display for the world. Sure, it doesn't guarantee success, but it's the purest means by which we can really put ourselves to society to fill it with hopes and dreams and possibilities of something new. And it's terrible how people are told not to take risks and refine their talents because it doesn't give them the 'quick-and-easy' means of stability like 'a traditional 9-to-5' provides. It is almost as if kids are being told that its better to lose your artistic nature just so you can ensure you have food on your own table. So, Thank you so much for this video. Thank you for helping me find my creative soul again.

[@mihailwarsavski8849]

Nobody wanted you to write an essay

[@anhellvillar1742]

@@mihailwarsavski8849 he is just saying/sharing what he feels In relevant to the video which is touching and emotional, what's wrong with that?🙄

[@happymimi1129]

@@mihailwarsavski8849 I wanted 🥺

[@mihailwarsavski8849]

@@anhellvillar1742 everything

[@jordanjjohn4054]

@@mihailwarsavski8849 then shut up ur not funny

[@AMO17]

I'm hopeful to at least be a freelancer by late summer this year. I'm trying this time at least. ^ ^; Also congrats on the 200k+!!!!

[@ergojosh]

Thank you!

[@IllHandleThis]

Good luck!

[@okidokii2871]

Good luck!

[@TheCreaTaur]

You'll get there!

[@gracielamaria2204]

Good luck!!

[@Sewius]

The first issue I come across with becoming a business is that I don't feel I have anything to offer. It really helps if you have a style, something distinctive that sets you apart and makes buying a piece of art from you worth money. When I look at realistic photo studies I've done I think to myself, why would anyone want this when they can just take a photo or have someone photo-bash a concept in half the time. Thus I either have to find that niche or go into something like Fiverr.

[@MrGoalie2012]

THIS

[@KarstenWusthoff]

Stop thinking about a technique as a "style". A technique (e.g. photo realism) is just that. Your style comes from WHAT you do with techniques. And because of the interwebz, relying on a "special" technique to set yourself apart is pretty risky. A) Because there's always somebody who's better than you B) Because people get bored by technique alone pretty fast. Look at a couple photorealistic drawings of an eye, a face or a gesture. Do these still amaze you after you've seen a handful of them? Are they still interesting enough that you would pay money for it? Think about what stories and what characters you want to "bring to life" and do that. If you're into photrealism, give me a photorealistic burning space octopus that's about to devour the earth. Tell weird stories that only you can imagine and it doesn't matter if you do it photorealistically or with stick figures. That's just a question of what is the easiest/most satisfying way for you. Maybe give the video "The drawing advice that changed my life" by struthless a try, it really helped my brain with the "click" moment :) Oh and stop trying to conquer the world/internet by storm. Start small in your local area. Connect with the people around you. Sell prints "in you neighborhood". People love to support local artists "they know". Create a bit of demand and THEN go and set up your online shop to expand your customer base.

[@benzstevox6395]

@@KarstenWusthoff That struthless video was really uncomfortable to watch. His nose ring was skewed to the left and I couldn't stop thinking about it the entire time

[@theepheonix1700]

Karsten Wusthoff very well said advice on techniques and styles! This actually really clicked with me! Thanks for this!

[@SobrietyandSolace]

You know what's distinctive about me? I don't just make digital art, I needle felt sculptures and pet portraits out of actual cat and dog hair. Yes, if you take your dog to the groomer, I will spend hours turning the bad of fluff into a realistic depiction of them.

[@lostinpencils4254]

I am currently an animation student and they devote a lot of time to teaching us how to draw in different styles, how to use different industry standard programs, how to create storyboards, how to budget for projects, how to pitch a concept and so many more real world attributes. my university tries really hard to set us up for industry work so I wouldn't say that all students come out of art school not knowing what to do. I definitely think it is different to real experience, but we do learn how to function in an art studio, they don't just teach us how to draw and animate. I do think your video is abolutely right though. Both my parents are independant artists and my younger mum especially is always pushing me to set myself up as a personality online for the future. Thank you for sharing all your great advice!!! :))

[@user-cc5ns5yw4m]

What art school do you go to?

[@discreetscrivener7885]

Yeah, I’m curious

[@Scragg-]

I don’t draw as a job, as a job I’m a software engineer but I’ll still charge you if you request me to draw you something, and my free time is worth a lot more to me than my salary time....

[@ZigealFaust]

HUUUZAH! A CREATURE THAT VALUES HIS TIME!

[@Octoboobs]

How to get over fear of posting art online? I love the process of creating but I dread having to post something. I can't decide if its 'Instagram worthy'. I don't even know what 'Instagram worthy' would be but somehow I feel I don't meet the criteria. And I absolutely love seeing other people's rough work and sketches which makes the whole thing even more confusing. Does anyone else has this problem? (and did anyone, hopefully, solve theirs?) Thanks ;_; I'm, uh, asking for a friend

[@user-kh6sr3rn2t]

Octoboobs I have the same problem. Way too often I’ve told myself I’m not good enough. To be honest, I haven’t found a solution to that. But I have a plan which will hopefully lead me forward. The biggest part of it is to »just post it«. Should the pic not be ig worthy in the end, that’s ok, because I’ve gained new experience. I’ll have an idea of what to change in the future. For example I’ve just posted two pics of some simple eye drawings. The pics themselves look ok i guess, but next to each other in my feed they just look derpy :D so before posting something next time, I’ll first check wether my previous posts might take away a little of its „quality“. Just remember, a small step towards your goal is still a step. Don’t let your fear stop you. In the worst case you can just delete or hide your pic and start over :) oh and if you’d like to share your ig, I’d be happy to take a peak

[@dull123andcutemew]

I got two ways. 1. When you or me make a first post to insta, you do it just to share it. Im sure we didnt think much about how much likes we’d get, or if it’ll get ignored, we did it just bc we felt like it. That laidbackness is important, try not to lose it. (Bc the more we post the more we are eager to see how much likes it ends up getting.) 2. This ones gonna sound mean, but have you ever seen a person with really shitty art, or art that u know u could do, or u know they traced it but people are like “omg ur so good! 😍”, and they just have more likes for some reason? I figured out why, their skills were in marketing themselves and getting themselves out there (their hashtags are crazy long). Even if their art skill sucked, they got more recognition bc of their use of always posting/holding art trades/contests/etc, something to gain an audience. See what they do. Also gain some form of competitiveness, to motivate you to do better and post more. (Those are my two ways, but rn Im fighting the battle of laziness.)

[@TheLilietsecaus]

From what I´ve seen instagram as app values two things - frequent updates and consistency. So, find what range of techniques you enjoy most (digital cartoons, ink drawing, watercolor, 3D sculptures) and just post anything you make. Atleast one post per week. Even IF (!!) your art looks messy or bad right now, its alright. People will just see progress of your skill on your instagram and thats no problem. Now go go, less thinking about your worth and focus on, how to draw that awesome bird!

[@QuestionQuestionMark]

Just post and move on. Don’t think about the mini game that is Instagram, think of it as a place to post your work and move on to the next. Don’t dwell on likes or any of that, do what you want and need to do and move on to the next artwork you plan on doing. The key thing to remember when posting art online is that *you’re doing it for yourself and no one else, not for Instagram likes, not for followers but just yourself* the likes and follows will come. But if you’re going into it with the specific idea of getting likes, getting follows, you’re already shooting yourself in the foot before you even lift off the ground. Do it for you, Instagram is the background noise until it gets big, then you invest time into it.

[@Octoboobs]

@@user-kh6sr3rn2t thank you (and everyone else for advices), they're really helpful. I'm grateful for you guys. My instagram is @_jefimija. I have some art posted using the 'post and run' technique and it gets easier with time but once I start thinking about it I'm back to square one- uploading once a year. I'm not the type to track how many likes do I or other people get, I'm more self conscious of the work I'm producing being boring and not bringing anything new to the table. I will keep an eye on this comment section, this was really helpful 👀

[@RB-mj7mp]

When I was in school social media was just on the cusp of being a game changer for independent artists. I never knew that someone could make a living just from posting their art online. At this point I *almost* don't think school is even necessary unless you want an industry job. You have to be extremely motivated and self driven though. I struggle with consistency with posting/creating and from what I've seen that's the #1 thing to making a living by being an independent artist.

[@drewhibley3197]

Thank you for making videos. This is the first one I've seen and it was very insightful and encouraging. Blessings 🌻 P.S. I would totally listen to your TED TALK if you ever gave one lol.

[@_flickering_3978]

@@drewhibley3197 same

[@fluffycorn_njst]

I think I have a similar situation with yours… I also struggle with consistency cause motivation doesn’t come easily and so it sucks that I’m not at the same speed as other artists in insta where they could maybe post in various times a week! 😞

[@souviksaha8382]

My story is a little different, so my family was actually very interested in art so my parents made me take art lessons from a young age, but later when I was a teenager I saw that I was actually interested more in 2d animation so I talked with my parents and they understood. Conclusion: I am now an animator

[@Amelia_PC]

Mwahaha this thumbnail is hilarious! Love it. "Being an artist is what is called a professional highly-skilled career option". FINALLY! Someone said it. It took me 10 years of training before getting my first paid job in the industry. (Yup, I ended up a full-time freelancer. But, man, really, I prefer to share my profit with a company. They sell, I create. I "lose" money, but I won't lose time. I use my time to create. When there's no clients to serve, I have an agent to find them. When I run a crowdfunding campaign, I can rely on a PR studio and they work for a percentage). Creator buddies, business is freedom, not a prison. Have allies and life will be easier.

[@yaohshalom]

This is exactly for me✊🏿thanks brother I'm 19 and I want to be a successful artist I've started skillshare and I'm working my skills

[@Blazin720]

Therapist: Another black inspiring artist like Roberto Blake doesn't exist on youtube to get you out of your lazy procrastination they can't hurt you EroJosh: Ooogah boogaah

[@bradleybolden689]

Racistly hilarious

[@peanutbuttertoast7742]

XD

[@mihailwarsavski8849]

Cringe

[@Blazin720]

@@mihailwarsavski8849 you sure are sir

[@mihailwarsavski8849]

@@Blazin720 Go back to reddit…

[@FOF275]

I couldn't have stumbled upon this at a better time. I started instagram again this year since my old one with 60 followers got shadowbanned (really, it did), and I made momentum with some fanart, but I've completely lost it again all of a sudden. Hopefully this series can help me fix this issue. Thanks for the info, this's been great so far

[@ArKaneAcrumProductions]

Whats ur insta?

[@cheesecake506]

I feel ya there. Drop yo insta and i'll follow xD

[@TheOnlyAbomination]

As a freelance designer who relies completely on selling to a small gaming niche doing custom work, i think you shouldn't rely on saying "you and I are probably not on that level yet" is a bit of a nuanced thing to say. I know many people within this niche that are poor designers who don't even know what clipping masks are and can still make a fair bit of income based on the way they market themselves. The whole art is subjective thing reigns true throughout all industries and niches and "being at a level" is a very misleading thing to say when people instinctively assume they're not good enough. great video though, this does communicate a lot of topics i strongly agree with.

[@KoriandrOfTheStars]

As an illustrator after about 5ish years of hard work and training with paints (I was primarily a graphitist who pushed beyond her fear of using colour, going into coloured pencils but always blocked by the seemingly insurmountable fear of painting) I have finally become comfortable & proud of my expressions/creations. What's stopping me from making those ducats? I literally am paralyzed with the disbelief that I cannot make it. I don't have the courage to invest in myself, my skill, my passion. I can/will *wholeheartedly* believe & support *everyone else but I leave nothing for myself.* Wow this got dark sorry

[@zachampofo4945]

I understand this completely

[@meagafreak]

I feel the same, I cant seem to touch digital its hard to learn a new medium. But I do know as a fellow artist that we stick together and I believe in you, even if we don't know each other :)

[@QuestionQuestionMark]

You just have to take that leap of faith my dude. Believe in yourself, there will be no failing but just mistakes and mistakes can be learned from. Adapted from. You can turn a mistake into a boon with the right amount of intuition and drive. Believe in yourself above all else and jump into that void because you never know what may happen if you don’t.

[@carolinewissa6231]

I watched about 11 minutes of ads cuz I felt that way I can truly thank you. Seriously you are a life saver.

[@baraalhm1135]

3:05 the real reason why I'm depressed these days🙄. I ended up studying something completely different and now everyone wants me to be a teacher even though I hate it so much 🤦‍♀️.

[@whereaboutsunknown3822]

Your videos are so aesthetically pleasing to look at, man. The colors, the equipment, your glasses, everything. Really looking forward to more on this subject. Thank you Josh!

[@anushe9612]

Whereabouts Unknown Plus the voice hehe

[@onimanga5197]

My father considers art just a hobby 😩

[@vlweb3d]

Do art only part-time, while working another job, until you're making enough money doing art to properly sustain yourself. Once that happens (not before), then do art full-time ... Once you've achieved that goal of becoming a full-time artist, simply walk up to your dad and say *"You're wrong about art, dad"* then simply walk away. Leave him confused.

[@onimanga5197]

SUPREME EMPEROR MITTENS if i could get a regular job i would

[@shahadshd5165]

SUPREME EMPEROR MITTENS but should I get a degree in animation or any form of art? Or I should just get into a degree that would get me money lol

[@yevvieart]

Hits close to home - I've been belittled for becoming an artist, and over last ten years I've been struggling to build *any* audience at all. Watched hundreds of videos, took classes on marketing, followed many artists' advice, so I'm wondering what your view on that really is.

[@cherrydee8090]

Yevvie ART you need a team. You can’t do everything by yourself.

[@reuben8912]

Keep pushing dude the 1% of the art world that make millions didn’t follow and easy path

[@thirdplanet4471]

I remember someone saying something along the lines of people like and even appreciate art but no one who to pay for it

[@rileegarrett9003]

watching this months after earning my fine art degree and wishing i heard this four years ago. i'm not crying, you're crying

[@ergojosh]

You can still make the most of it!

[@themagneticcat16]

@@ergojosh I've graduated fine arts and it's a yikes tbh. Working as a concept artist 2D generalist in a small studio right now though.

[@jeremymunene5304]

Hey there. I'm in a similar dillema. Should I go to university or just work on my skills? I'm on a gap year, and I've worked hard to improve my skills and if I'm being honest, I'm not sure University can teach me more than I can teach myself by learning online. Thoughts? Thanks for reading 😁

[@rileegarrett9003]

@@jeremymunene5304 imo, I would get a business degree. If you have the drive, there are enough resources online to learn what I learned in school. Just stay dedicated to your art and don't be afraid to experiment and learn new techniques. Make other art friends and critique each others work without fearing hurting each others feelings. I would say the only thing I got out of university that I couldn't have got online is genuine critiques, which I don't have now that I'm out (and wasn't worth the thousands of dollars of debt that I'm in). A business degree would be much more helpful so you learn how to handle yourself as a business, because it's harder to find good business advice online than it is to find good information on how to improve on your art.

[@Stephie_L]

@@jeremymunene5304 In all honesty don't go to Uni...if i could do it over I would have literally worked a low skilled job and focused on my craft...I was set back by trying to following the 'norm'/ the degree path. There are plenty of courses and online resources to teach yourself.

[@celestialcow]

this video brought tears to my eyes because for me there is so much pain and anguish surrounding my artistic life, I always knew that i wanted to make art all my life but making money from it has always been up and down, i went to art school and it was such a waste of money and time yes I did 'fine art' because i had no idea where i wanted to specialize at aged 18 , i spend my 20s self teaching myself all new softwares but i needed to feed myself so i just did random shitty jobs. But now im ready to start making money and getting my art out there.

[@Stephie_L]

Honestly these problems begin from the start. Like most people here I also remember being drawn to art as kid but then the discussion about a degree and following that official route killed my creativity in general for a long time although it did seep in my hobby when I found film photography. I personally believe had I been allowed to develop my craft from a young age without pressure of following a set path, I would know myself better and be ahead in my craft. Money can be made easily (aka from low skilled jobs) if necessary you don't need a degree for that. Degrees are pretty much a waste unless you want to teach or something.

[@agata_cz]

I really liked your idea of artists being their own brand, it is so true for lots of services/products people can provide and especially for freelancers. :) great talk!

[@FH-is9ej]

I feel so comforted to know that someone like you that understands the needs and struggles of an artist is out there just a click away.

[@PaulHofreiter]

Very interesting - I’m coming from a music background which I see parallels with the challenges in terms of business. However with art it is like a utopia business-wise compared to music for me. Music has become so undervalued that many of us can’t make a living any more despite having top 1% knowledge levels and playing ability. People pay the same or less for gigs than they did in the 80s according to veterans, music is disposable to most listeners these days and venues know that with anyone not being pushed my promotion backed by serious dollars in very mainstream fields there will always be someone willing to do the job cheaper than you want, which would be a fair price. Many will play for free because it’s a hobby and the quality won’t be nearly as high but they know listeners won’t care if it is intended to be background, which most people see music as now. Compare that with art where there is a tangible product and people have a MUCH easier time seeing quality vs. music and a similar time investment in both - don’t get me wrong, getting money as a artist has some of the same issues with undercutting prices and devaluing the product but after only a couple of months making a real go at it I am seeing regular income. Hourly it pays lot less than music (though if you add in practice time and all the thousands of hours in the past it might be the same), probably minimum wage for someone with no name trying to sell their art, but people can see quality work much more easily and will value their pets being painted, their OC’s being drawn, their ...questionable fantasy fan art being realized and will drop money on it because they can’t do it themselves and can’t put some free service on to give it to them. Divided up hour to hour with a “real job” won’t see their time being valued but for someone who just loves to make art, if they arent picky about what they are creating and just like the process, and have put the time into honing their skills there is a lot of work out there. I am new to the business side and have seen most success locally though so I am very interested to see the rest of your series. Sorry that was kind of a rant.

[@BigRatNuggz]

I like to draw a lot in my classes and many people ask for me to draw them and then trash me because I don't want to or I ask them to pay me. It takes time to make art and money is time so if you ain't handing over the dough I'm not listening to you no mo.

[@kawaii_ninja]

Yes! I'm so excited for this series! At the end of last year, I just started to really get serious about putting in the time and effort to do art. I went to a regular university and got a degree, but I feel like my time there taught me more about the types of art that I could do and providing resources rather than me coming out with a polished portfolio that I could actually use for the job I wanted to get into at the time. But now, I've been thinking, like you said, from a business mindset, realizing that I need to put myself out there and engage with others and hopefully receive engagement as a result as well.

[@elihere]

08:02 Josh: bUSINESS My Naija-American senses: 👂👂?!

[@MOMOHEARTS]

For sculpting, I can see you can get hired by the entertainment industry like toys, limited edition sculptures from games and books, etc.

[@maginpanic]

even tho i have over couple years of experience in the animation industry that includes various feature films and tv series im still struggling as someone who wants to make a living out of social media. Business is that key word that needs to be put on pedestal before art.

[@MelissaJetzt]

There are so many ways for artists to make money online! I'd call myself more of a designer than an artist but this still applies! My full time job is an engineer and I'm trying to transition more into UX design. My parents always discouraged me from pursuing a creative career so I'm finally now seeing after I graduated college that I can be creative and have value!

[@kianavu5401]

Yes!!! I'm in college now and I'm pushing for an industrial design degree with the hopes or consideration of pursuing UX or soft goods design! I'm extremely fortunate I learned about a path like this at the time I did

[@thetrap6073]

Good stuff Josh. I just discovered your channel. I've been an artist since I held my first crayon. A lot of encouragement over the years still didn't break through my "starving artist" fear and I never launched. Roughly 22 years ago, I had an art business vision that I began working towards, but then I hit a few bumps in the road and I allowed career life to get in the way of my dream. I've spent the past 20 years at an unfulfilling/soul-sucking "J O B" and this nagging voice in my head had become so loud I could no longer ignore it. I broke an ankle a couple summers ago and new I'd have time on my hands while I recovered... so, I revisited my dream, began drawing every day and got my business license. Seeing my business name on that piece of paper was like someone handing me the keys to a locked door. Things are moving in the right direction. ...and thanks to KZbinrs like yourself, the encouragement just keeps rolling in. Thanks man!

[@inswarlock09]

When my daughter draws me something I tell her go back and draw it better, now when I compare her drawings to her classmates she is way more advance. I wish someone did that for me I was always told it was the best thing ever and I never tried to better myself. Till I was older in college and my professor said my anatomy and color theory sucks.

[@miaa1762]

I understand, but i think telling her to draw it better is a bit harsh-

[@gjones9282]

namjooncansteponmeandiwouldthankhim it really depends on how you say it. if you say “this is good, but you should try to make it even better” it sounds a lot kinder than “draw it better”

[@RaverGasm]

I feel like that would discourage a lot of people. Sure, be constructive... offer unbiased opinions. Provide challenges... but being scolded and criticized on everything you work hard on takes a very hard hit to self-esteem. Even if you phrase it kindly. Art is very personal! It could potentially make it so your daughter is very opinion driven. It won't matter what she thinks it will only matter what others think and that tends to destroy creativity. It will make her chase validation. A lot of kids strive to impress and please their parents and if their parents shut them down too much it could really ruin their views on art. The pressure can make it so they dislike art.

[@isuchyquaich8518]

If someone did that to Mee all the time I'd stop showing them my work

[@UniDeathRaven]

@@miaa1762 She will thank him later when grow up.

[@damn7208]

Once my parents noticed I enjoyed drawing more often than children do usually my Grandmother instantly told me I wouldn't earn any money so it means nothing. I don't resent her today but I never forgot that because it suprised me that I accepted that "advice" (being a kindergartener!) and took big breaks between drawing to "figure myself out" (suprise suprise, drawing is love, drawing is life). By the time I had realised I cared about art more than I thought (around 14) I'd already gotten into the habit of never finishing my work or rushing, but I'm really thankful for the internet for giving me the ability to find artists and get inspired by their artwork and try new things even if I half-ass it the first 5 times I try to draw it. I'm only 18 right now and don't know where I'll be going with art, but I realised in middle school (after I was done obsessing over how I'd get to do it professionally) that drawing is something that I just can't live without anyways so whether I suffocate myself with a job I don't care about or struggle doing art I'm still going to draw, paint, edit things and THAT gives me piece of mind. But yeah maybe my confidence in making money is kinda busted since my Gran said that lol.

[@Stephie_L]

Similar experience at a young age. It just annoys me how much time wasted trying to find the answer I knew all along....our childhood is the heart of our true self...being forced on a different path only to come back to art is a sad thing....

[@isaiahtr]

I also look at it as being over saturated. also with us living in a world where there a lot of distraction. You Gotta make time to practice your tade, because lot people don't like to acknowledge that art is a bit of a competition.

[@childof83]

it shouldn't be a competition its just a stupid market that makes it that way

[@Ucuz_]

thats why you should find your niche

[@tehritzyllama]

that moving picture in the background is captivating and I WANTS IT!!! Love the video, valid points and great perspective. Will definitely be keeping all this in mind down the road. Thank you!

[@laylette4017]

This is the talk I needed. THIS is the talk I've been wanting my whole life. Thank you so much-seriously.

[@ChelleMishe]

I’m really loving this series tbh! Inspires me!

[@kitchakat5259]

Yes this is what I need thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, can't wait for this series of videos 💕💜

[@vanesauribe2754]

I love how your mindset works and the way you tell your audience the truth about art and everything that concerns it. Very brilliant.

[@liwiawarszawska7820]

I'm so glad I found your channel and this video. It really helps me understand so many things I couldn't have possibly understood when it comes to art as a career. I remember my art teacher telling my parents that I have great skill but I shouldn't go on to pursue an art career as I won't survive financially. I'm extremely thankful for your channel and I wish you all the best.

[@lifesaverjacket5151]

My parents:- "be what you want to be" Me:- I want to be a animate for a living my parents:- engineer.

[@celestialgirl9456]

My brother had to select his career path and said he wanted to be an engineer (take maths) and my dad was like *no* not at all you should be a doctor ( take science ) like your mom and I and blah blah blah and now here I am wanting to take arts

[@STICKYArt]

Thanks for posting this! I am about six months into being self employed! It has been a crazy journey! I was fortunate enough to take some business classes in college and I have applied it to my art skills and it’s been so helpful!! I think understanding both art and business is a lot for one person to take on. It is possible it just takes way more work than most people are willing to put in. I think the key is to make money with art is realizing it is a long process and requires a lot of skills. It is great to network and learn from fellow successful artists too!

[@NinjaBusCow]

Thanks for the encouragement! While watching this video I took a pause and uploaded some stuff to my Deviant Art and a couple of people like some of it already! Being scared or doubtful that I should upload stuff there was holding me back. The few people that liked my stuff made me very appreciative and want to continue with art and music. I don't know man, just thank you very much! Going to keep at it! Going to watch your other videos as well, this was the fire I needed under my ass to keep going and not slow down. Peace!

[@Bu.theonlydany]

I love the way the message was delivered. I felt like there was no hope for a career. I learned that art can take me anywhere always

[@TheCylonBomb]

thank you this was a solid reality check.

[@nixv271]

Thank you so much for this Josh. This is literally what I needed after always trying to figure out what I really wanted to do after finishing my degree since 2 years ago. I had such a huge passion with my art back then but I completely neglected it due to this "system" that we had to follow from finishing school and basically just getting a degree. I didn't really also had a support system back then because the majority have told me that I could not do art as a living. It did crush me as I know I was at my strongest and I felt really free expressing myself when I was doing art. Fast forward to now 6 years later after working into so many industries, (i mean many as in I literally tried every job that you could think of out there) there was always discontentment within me but art was just always there. It always crawls back to me as if it's wanting me to CREATE again. Thanks to youtube and how every source you can find is online now, the universe just somehow lead me into this beautiful creative community which really motivated me to start creating again. I know It will take me time to really get myself out but it will be all worth it. The lesson I have learned based from the past experiences Ive had was to never ever neglect or stifle something that you are good at or just being passionate to. I really wish everyone success in the upcoming year despite of this pandemic. Let's get creative!!!

[@Stephie_L]

Same...I was lost for many years but I totally relate....especially: "but art was just always there. It always crawls back to me as if it's wanting me to CREATE again."

[@sarahveloso8477]

THANK YOU! You just summed up everything I’ve had to learn in the past 10 years of my life. If only this existed then. You just earned a subscriber 👍 Looking forward to the rest of your content.

[@diegoartetv]

Thanks for the heads up fam you Rock !!

[@unknown-sn5ss]

Thank you very much for that video, you've definitely helped me to understand a few things about being a future artist. Give me a couple of years and I'll certainly be out there, doing what I love and sharing it with people. Keep up the awesome work you do my man!

[@yerma6149]

Yes, you go!

[@bigdaddy2816]

3:02 this is extremely true every word that came out of this man’s mouth is Facts

[@julianagalofre7502]

Loved this. Thanks for your insight Ergo. Much appreciated !!!

[@ameeranauman6341]

so much truth in youre words! love you for speaking on this!

[@sopuruchindubuisi2354]

Ergo Josh is beautiful!

[@anonym3800]

Handsome Type of man yes😊❤️😁

[@anonym3800]

Handsome Type of man yes😁❤️😊

[@kokayin8718]

thank you soo much i really needed someone to tell me all this

[@jay-chan2284]

This has been something that I'm considering for so long. I really want to push myself to perfect my artwork, like I have a vision on where I want to take it. Such as children books, character design, background artists, t-shirts. But I know it so takes an audience to build. I'm so happy that you made this video. Thank you so much!! Your videos been such a wonderful help. 😊❤

[@darrenelkins5923]

i could listen to you all day - you should be on the radio!

[@hectoreguiarte5253]

“the difference between a well eaten artist and a starving one is marketing”. that’s the whole story.

[@reuben8912]

Art is about new ideas and incredible stories

[@ariaendello7976]

People NEED TO UNDERSTAND that art takes time, years of practice, and effort. Thanks for the video!❤️

[@Lazzardust]

It took me four videos to suscribe, but because you are a bomb of information. You say this thing about talking fast and stuff. But, damn. I love you, bro! So concise and honest everytime and not only in the way you speak, but how you film and edit. It's a delightful experience full of useful information. Thank you!!

[@ChristinaDior90]

I love your channel because you share these down to earth topics that are soooo helpful. You’re great in your content and video edition. Thank you for helping so many artists and hope your career is doing great !

[@nico3144]

I've been watching you since you had 10k subs and the improvement you've done to make your Channel better is insane💕way to go dude,! your doing amazing and I'm so happy for you congrats and keep hustling💪

[@Bl4k3.]

2020 is gonna be the year i take my business seriously. im manifesting all my energy to become a successful artist, build an online presence and audience, and get off my damn ass and MAKE SOMETHING.

[@kaelioreaper]

It’s a year later how’s your business going

[@XavierVegasVidal]

Thank you for your videos man. Nice way to speak, teach and share. Keep on this!

[@qiqinightstar7013]

This feels Godsent qwq I just talked with my family yesterday that I wanted to do freelancing, and yeah, none of them actually believe that id make it. It hurts for me that they are leaning to the belief that artists don't make much, but seeing your video today lifted my spirits again, thank you very much Josh!

[@LuthienNightwolf]

I've been a full-time commissioned artist since 2010, I am fairly comfortable with being my own boss and treating myself as a business at this point, but I still feel like I struggle to expand my audience to a point where I'm not just skating by each month. Granted, Furry art is a much smaller pond and its pretty crowded, but I still see other artists making a killing somehow and I want to get to that point. I don't know if it's an issue with algorithms hiding my work, or I'm just not connecting with everyone, but its pretty frustrating. I work very fast and I've been consistently posting, often, for the last decade, so I'm not sure where things are getting stuck for me. I just subbed and will definitely be watching the next video (and probably the whole series, because you can always learn new stuff even if you've been at it a while).

[@QuestionQuestionMark]

If you find yourself being stagnant that usually means you’re doing something that’s causing stagnation. If you identify that it should help you out tremendously. Change it up, be dynamic that’s where growth comes from.

[@kirakira878]

It's been almost exactly the same for me sadly. :( Also I think the algorithm is 1 of the issues causing it. Good to know I am not the only one noticing it.

[@realamericannegro977]

Some people disguise their "success" with witchcraft.

[@sweetspooky7483]

You know whats super cool, my parents suport me for art and suport me wanting to do my own thing ( anime animation and drawing ) and all they ever said was that if it doesnt work out i should have a plan B which i do so i am currently super motivated to do drawings to learn animation and to do what i love so thanks mom, dad for believeing in me when i didnt!

[@simonheywood1286]

Thanks 4 sharing Brotha. Blessings!!!🙏🏾

Thanks so much for this video. This is very encouraging. I am starting to take my art work seriously now, and I my cousin and her mother in-law love my art. I even designed my cousin’s logo for her business. I went to school for 2 years of animation, and I discovered that I like digital art, and graphic design more. All what you said was true you had to put your work out there, and continue to make good work. I learned that you should be proud of your achievements

[@artofdylan2356]

The thumbnail is sending me 😂

[@bloohazze]

My mom has actually been very supportive since the beginning, never once has she doubted me in my ability in art and my chances to succeed. She recognizes that it’s hard to do but she has faith and has provided for me to forward me in my career.

[@cynntsen]

Thank you Ergo for a great insight for us artists!! Happy you gained so much through your experience to share with the rest of the world. Please keep it up and keep us artists informed on how we can continue with our passions in life. ❤

[@gabrielleholt446]

I will buy your e-course and/or book as soon as you decide to create one. As for now, this free content is INCREDIBLE and I thank you immensely for creating this channel

[@kristinapaxton9686]

Thank you so much for this video. To be honest education -starting from senior school should teach entrepreneurship not just getting a job, because that isn't the way working life is anymore.

[@danielboland340]

I completely agree with everything mentioned in this video, my only gripe is the title and thumbnail. While I understand it’s intended to gain clicks and attention (it works), it just rubs me the wrong way, this level of content I feel is above that. Otherwise very inspirational and informative.

[@gamefox761]

Blame us, the viewers, for creating the type of KZbin where content creators need to use this tactic to succeed. I applaud him for continuing to reach a wider audience instead of being content with his current number of viewers. I’d rather click an interesting thumbnail and be inspired by the video than click a default thumbnail and be bored out of my mind.

[@yerma6149]

I thought the same! I was pleasently surprised about the content

[@type2red]

this video is 100 percent true and my life is a testament to all that you say. Thanks for the vid.

[@wisedigitaldesigns1193]

I love watching your videos. They're always insightful and they really shed light on how to be a smarter artist.

[@alexalldev1610]

That is a amazing thumbnail 😂

[@shannarafryer3111]

I love the thumbnail Lmao

[@MordioMusic]

Thank you 🙏 This give me a little push to keep on the way to build a community on KZbin and try to see me one day like a business.

[@patseunknown]

I love your voice so much, it's so soothing.

[@falcongamer5867]

About the last part, i built a small audience of dozens of people in a month by drawing sketches, even got a few fanart lol but it's nothing big

[@avocado6018]

Josh: but it is a 100% true so I want you to hear me out... Ad: this is a tomato.

[@halloooo1duuuuu]

Thank you for the practical tips about freelance work and marketing!

[@destinedtodevinespiritualc119]

Thank you, I've only just started my journey and you woke me up to how I was thinking to small, I'm now on my way to really thinking outside the box on self promotion and getting word to outside the art community, on a mission to find people who didn't know they needed my work