Ranking Every New Grotmas Detachment for Warhammer 40k!

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0:00 Sponsors 0:59 Intro 5:07 Adeptus Custodes 7:44 Adeptus Mechanicus 9:36 Aeldari 11:14 Astra Militarum 13:29 Black Templars 14:59 Blood Angels 16:21 Chaos Knights 18:06 Chaos Space Marines 20:02 Dark Angels 21:02 Death Guard 22:45 Drukhari 25:16 Space Marines 27:44 Grey Knights 31:01 Genestealer Cults 32:49 Imperial Agents 34:32 Imperial Knights 36:10 Khorne Demons 40:58 Leagues of Votann 43:08 Necrons 48:01 Nurgle Demons 52:07 Orks 53:49 Sisters of Battle 56:11 Slaanesh Demons 58:37 Space Wolves 1:00:01 T'au 1:02:13 Thousand Sons 1:04:45 Tzeench Demons 1:08:21 Tyranids 1:09:07 World Eaters 1:10:16 Death Watch 1:12:40 Superchats

[@mk-ultraviolence1760]

Personally I feel like the Black Templar detachment should've been the Chaplain counterpart to the Librarius detachment for space marines.

[@sgntblizzard]

Reapers wagers is actually quite strong. On demand full hit rerolls with sustained/lethal completely changes Drukharis admittedly mid datasheets. Hellions, a completely unusable datasheet prior now bodies tanks and marines alike. Turning off overwatch is crazy for elves.

[@kylemartin7871]

Yeah. People are so focused on the Harlequin aspect (you don't necessarily need to run them anyway) but it is great overall.

[@Brian0033]

I'm undefeated with reaper's wager, its got tricks. Sisters, meanwhile, is hot garbage. Needing to trade your army rule for a so-so detachment rule, with strats that only work if you do them. At least the army of faith strats are better for not really having a detachment rule

[@luvstofap]

You know, as a Deathwatch player, I'm just happy to be back.

[@kylemartin7871]

I'm going to make the Assassins work, I promise you.

[@spyder335]

Wonderful just in time for my work day.

[@adept5500]

I think there is some thing telling that a lot of the worst ranked detachments are related to armies that were balanced on a detachment (either buffing the detachment or driving up points because of the detachment)

[@Vorpaliant]

Sister's one can't be higher than 'Contextually not great' in the current MD economy. The detachment has no MD generation, and with the current crippled MD generation, you're either playing without an army rule or without a detachment rule. I feel bad for the person who wrote the detachment, as obviously they did so without being aware of the MD changes, and I like the theme. But currently it just doesn't work (which is why the Meta Monday shows it at 27% WR). All it needs really I think to work in the new MD economy is to say all sacresants are righteous all the time, for free. But even then, it's really only Mid. It's just a slightly worse version of Army of Faith, which was already pretty mid.

[@AnimeSquirrel]

It's also not fun to play. I ran one game and I couldn't stand it. The first time ever I quit a game because I was having no fun whatsoever. I hated every moment.

[@jonathanolson1185]

Yeah, I agree. I'm a sisters player and haven't played them since the MD changes. Too scared to haha. But Hallowed Martyrs is gonna be the go to for sure. I play Orks too, and since Waghh got changed, and our Grotmas detachment came out, it's been nothing but the green skins for me.

[@geordieglobetrotter7090]

Crazy miracle dice manipulation is prices in to the current model costs for sure. We don't have the raw power to make stuff happen any longer. Big point drops needed imo

[@jonathanolson1185]

Use Miracle Dice for an advance? You have miracle dice?

[@jonathanhaynes9914]

Thanks Jack and Nick

[@Whitebrow94]

50:05 How good would a team of the Nurgle detachment and the Night Lord CSM detachment be you think?

[@sambojinbojin-sam6550]

Thousand Sons would have been cooler (not better, just have a reason for existing) if it had "Prosperine Kopeshes and Tzaangor Blades count as *Psychic Weapons* ". Then it does a thing. Not a good thing, but a thing that the index doesn't do. Almost have power fists on Scarabs! Have a viable OC2 unit with a Shaman! Buck the trend that we don't do melee (bcoz we kinda do)! Even just put "[Scarab Occult Terminators] and [Tzaangor] have psychic attacks in this detachment", full stop, would make it go from "bleh" to "that could be pretty sick!", except it still wouldn't be that good. But geez you'd try it out. Super chonky shooty/fighty brick termies, with character tax for nearly plasma gun upgrade, or pretty useful/ pretty mobile birdies. Or a bit of both. And a deepstrike Rubric unit just for funsies. Or any other combination of the above, with a few other psychic attacks/ Mutaliths/ DPs/ etc. It almost feels like they edited that sentence out, or forgot to add it in. And it's still not great, but it is pretty cool. And they're the units we don't use, and strangely enough, come in our combat patrol. So everyone wins! (Except this detachment, it's still not that good, and taking Magnus after taking some termies and/or birdies is going to be hard. But it's certainly different from the index in what it's leaning into).

[@alexandersmith1264]

Think the tau should be alittle higher, easily their best detachment, and it has multiple builds because in virtually makes every unit in the codex viable

[@FeeDBacKMKII]

Beside Storsurges...

[@alexandersmith1264]

@@FeeDBacKMKII well yeah, stormsurges aren't allowed to be good

[@glubgawd7393]

Deathwatch, 5 sternguard + judiciar with thief of secrets, it’s completely obscene into the oath target in melee

[@mk-ultraviolence1760]

You know you can actually shove a Judiciar into deathwatch veteran squads right?

[@XHobbiesPrime]

@@mk-ultraviolence1760 Sternguard gives reroll on wounds so the Judiciar can fish for devastating wounds.

[@scevvin7788]

If the Aeldari detachment more focused on all vehicles and not just hyper focus on the “FLY” keyword it would have been much better since war walkers and support weapons have VEHICLE

[@FluffNCrunch]

I would’ve added “mounted”. Add that to each and every instance of “vehicle” in the detachment and it becomes useable

[@stresszilla]

I think you're wrong about Vessels of Wrath. They're played some what differently to Index.

[@matejanderle1443]

@@stresszilla i agree with you, VoW is definitely more 8bound based and it allows for better playstyle with DP too, for example

[@apocalyplant68]

I agree on pretty much everything on this list EXCEPT one that I dissagree 100% on....... Slannesh should be at least bottom of Top Tier or neck and neck with Necrons. like you guys are saying there durability is lacking but then we can look at Guard and GSC who has even less durability. I would say AT LEAST Slannesh Should be bottom of Top tier or sideby side with Necrons

[@redrix1787]

I disagree with the sisters placement, the detachment as written currently doesn't function with how badly miracle dice got nerfed. even if we ignore bringers of flame, the new detachment is still just a worse version of army of faith

[@djanevski]

Nick makes me so excited for Final Day!!

[@SeanHoltzman]

Thanks for your opinions and perspectives! Does it also feel to you like they're are army rule changes for a few factions on the way that make some of these detachments make sense? Some feel they were written for another army than what exists 😂😅

[@nathanmacintyre7283]

Ophydians, flayed ones, deathmarks, skorpekhs, and tomb blades score. its why i think TSK isnt needed for the list save 270 points thats 9 skorpekhs

[@ZergSmasher]

Kinda sad that Dark Angels had a chance to finally get a decent detachment after their book ones were so disappointing, and what we got was the Lion's Blade, which is just not very good. I want Dark Angels to be good without the crutch of the Gladius, dammit!

[@jeremiegartner464]

I tnink tsons will be different once the codex drops with tzeetch daemons.

[@shogunjim4257]

I prolly paid 60-90$ for my DW army, All scans, so no way to tell the difference between them and official models. Argggggghhhh it pays to be sailing the high seas maitee.

[@mk-ultraviolence1760]

(laughs in custodes killing heavy bolters)

[@mikehand8993]

For Space Wolves. Ragnar hits hard with a Lieutenant. The dreadnaughts hit hard. That being said the detachment is still trash. The intervention rarely comes into play.

[@davidcanty7903]

CK still not worth taking big knights

[@jeremiegartner464]

Vessels of wrath is broken with 3 princes and 120 5+fnp jackels

[@thelegendsmith3063]

Go head and put spacewolves at the bottom matter fact make a new section what the actual **** and stick it there

[@daskulljuarez6129]

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[@mitchelldorcas9687]

What? You don't like a Space Wolf Terminators detachment whose best stratagem doesn't work with Space Wolf Terminators?! Why not!

[@andrewcrawford8306]

The Votann one is so much worse

[@pardalote9138]

Space wolf one dosent actually do a single thing. Your detachment is struggling because the army rule not the detachment.​@@andrewcrawford8306

[@arolfe41]

yeah hard disagree on most of these AOW as usual focusing on limiting builds

[@thelegendsmith3063]

Oh nick 2 las land raiders 1x 10 2x5 and termies and characters is a pain train no one wants the smoke

[@dagda.neanea]

I disagree pretty hard with a lot of these

[@SMTHPFFMB]

@@dagda.neanea could you be less specific?

[@dagda.neanea]

@SMTHPFFMB probably