Most Underrated Grotmas Detachments?

[@killahertz7124]

Don't see a lot of talk about Von Ryans Leapers in Final Day but for 70pts, 10pts more than a lictor you get a good unit to share the buff with, fights first and free heroic to babysit Rockgrinders

[@zugzugzugzug]

It may not be that great, but getting the stars to align with Lion’s blade feels pretty good. The “move through terrain” strat for bikes is huge, and the “counter charge” can be super impactful too if you budget for it (easier to do if you’ve got Azrael sitting back and farming cp all game)

[@jonathanhaynes9914]

Thanks John and Seigs

[@scruffythejanitorr]

Great to have you back, guys!

[@nurglematthew]

What an absolute unit of an Xmas 40k holiday this has been, Chat +! 🎉

[@jerryking9767]

I think people are sleeping on Vessels of Wrath because they think World Eaters can't win without Angron. They can.

[@CorporalTunnel]

Played a 1k pt game against a friend last week. I took Tatikal Brigade, we called it after 1 turn. That is a mean detachment

[@fateweaver9844]

40k is grossly broken at 1k so it's not a good indicator of a detachments power level, or even individual units

[@nurglematthew]

Lol at Nurgle Daemons getting a shoutout, lets go. 27:25

[@im2randomghgh]

Wrathful Procession is my pick! It's not an A+ detachment but it is significantly more powerful than the community has decided. Solid for casual and mid table play.

[@trentathawat6714]

If you build into it with Outriders, Van Vets, Sternguard and Crusader blobs led by the obligatory Grimaldus it's pretty decent. Where it really falls short is in the stratagem department. There are really only 2 strats that are okay at best, one being the nerfed Armour of Contempt and the other being re-roll 1's and ignore mods in melee. Meh. That's pretty pathetic when you look at the Tau Auxiliary Cadre and EVERY strat is a banger!

[@Johnnymarzo]

Question about the deathwatch detachment. You keep mentioning double oath but isnt that Guillimans ability? Can you even run gbaby in this detachment?

[@misterpig7739]

Iirc one of the enhancements allows a double oath once per game though I’m trying to recall the original version from the index so it might have been altered slightly since originally it was the old oath with full rerolls. Edit: Just checked, it is currently 30pts for a once per game double oath but unlike Guillimans you don’t have to kill the first to get the buff on the second

[@lukelloyd8976]

@@Johnnymarzo Tome of Ectoclades allows it once per game

[@triplea657aaa]

The real question: Can a list with the new artillery fire stealth shells win a GT with 2-3 Baneblade chasis' with stealth?

[@nickherting4698]

"Votann is all about accounting"

[@ArtofWar40k]

Irregular accounting is a grudgin!

[@nickherting4698]

@@ArtofWar40k Tax loophole detachment coming soon? 🤔🧐

[@KampferNL]

Tzeentch while janky seems strong, though I don’t know how they would crack 2+ T12

[@paranelmanterlyzastratatum885]

I mean probably lord of change with pyrogenesis using a flux token, gets to S13 AP-3. The neverblade on either winged prince or LoC also make for good tankbusters, reaching S13 and S12 respectively with flux pyro

[@JayzusKhrist]

FWIW, and I’m just an average Joe, I think Warhorde is better, but not strictly better, than Brigade. I think you give up what makes Orks crippling for consistency and combined arms and more damage outside of the waaagh. But man, does warhorde waaagh freakin SLAP and can just win a game