Artosis Terran BW Vs. Harstem SC2 Protoss

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[@ArtosisTV]

2000 Likes and I’ll play more :D

[@darkalley8595]

I think that you keep losing because you try to apply SC1 strategies and mindsets to SC2, despite the fact that you fight SC2 races. I think that if you tried to be more flexible and implement SC2 strategies and tactics into your SC1, you could actually win. Keep fighting. You're very entertaining and awesome. You could experience this by switching races (You play SC2 races and your son plays SC1 terran). The goal wouldn't be to win, but to see the SC2 mindsets, strategies and tactics applied to SC1 terran. E.g. SC1 Terran has better harassment (Fast Vultures with mines), is more focused on kiting (high damage, low hp), ambushes (high damage and range, low hp and LOS). It's a warrior's faction, while SC2 is a economy-focused. The strength of SC2 is in its economy, and if you damage/harass/destroy/delay that , you will have the edge. Just my 2 cents. Don't take me too seriously tho :) I just like to see you playing this mod despite losing so much. It's very entertaining.

[@joshuajohnson714]

I watched this are hartsem stream but I wanted to get you a view as well. I really like this content. My sc ogs need to keep up the content. I’ll support you guys playing new games.

[@Azuciea]

front facing baby chick

[@andreleclerc7231]

ask uthermal to train you, he had no prob with bw terran

[@hendrixj.8356]

Stop wasting money on vultures

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Even in a SC1 vs SC2 mod, Artosis is contractually obligated to avoid having more than two active mining bases at all times.

[@TheFixer-rq9tj]

😂

[@versavices3776]

"All those Disruptors are really fun, you don't have to do anything you just sit there and send it out" - A man with 30 Siege Tanks

[@Lost7one]

imagine if disruptors had the same damage and aoe as siege tanks, that would be insane

[@LoLaSn]

Yeah but you don't have to re-siege the disruptors every few metres to avoid being annihilated because they're unsieged

[@momoaa]

​@@LoLaSn yeah instead they just, entirely cant defend themselves against anything while on cd? Why are you trying to nitpick two obviously different units? Disruptor is harder to effectively control than tank, making his comment ironic.

[@astroman269]

Yeah, he just didn't use the range/firepower of sc1 tanks effectively. He needs to slow crawl and use vultures to better harass / force the protoss to have to split and move his army. Also, he is playing against a better player than him. Not really debatable... It's not a disruptor problem. It's a tactics problem.

[@dc8836]

​@@astroman269Not familiar with BW but would adding some valks to soften up the carrier blob help the goliaths deal? Goliath have great AA but they just couldn't keep up. What about ghosts for EMP?

[@crimson35124]

i think this is proof rt can’t win without mario erotica playing in the background

[@rocksparadox]

It's more proof that SC2 is a multitask, juggling simulator.

[@AntonioLopez-kw3ev]

@@rocksparadoxthe meta is mass stalker Protoss has an advantage of Terran does not turtle with tanks

[@bigmikeobama5314]

100%

[@EB-jf5oi]

How did I access this mod and a Is there a decent playerbase for it?

[@zheta42]

Artosis is so quiet while Harstem is narrating, goofing, and panicking the entire time. xD

[@anthonykneipiii4562]

There is a significant difference between their play styles and the atmosphere they set for themselves, absolutely. I watched both sets of games in side-by-side windows and played them at the same time (and tried to get them synced up super close) and the biggest difference I can tell is Harstem actually analyzes the game as it unfolds. I'm sure Artosis is doing something similiar, but Harstem talks about what was experienced, formulates a hypothesis about what might happen next, and then adjusts mid-battle to account for the things he's noticing. Artosis, from what I can tell, just tries to smash through whatever is in the way and attempts to make the opponent play Artosis' style of gaming, possibly to fluster his opponent. However, Harstem is a little too cool and collected to let that happen to himself all that much, despite mentioning what he's nervous about his opponent doing; regardless, he still adjusts and continues with his plan, and alters his situation when it's necessary to do so. Super interesting games, to say the least! 🤔

[@sylvariatzaka]

Harstem can take games off Serral and Maru occasionally. I'm not surprised lol

[@petecabrina]

Its why Artosis is pretty intolerable a lot of the time, for me at least watching him play (I love his casting in contrast). He is almost always on edge and anticipating reasons to rage, and has always played tense, which I think has hurt his progress. People who are relaxed and or can even have fun while playing is much better to watch, and its somewhat key to being good too IMO as well.

[@ougi2351]

@@petecabrina give Arty some slack. He is playing against an sc2 pro-player, of course he is going to require more focus than harstem who is playing on his native engine against a player who is significantly lower elo. Tune into any harstem stream during a tournament and he will often tilt off the face of the earth, ramble about how badly he screwed everything up, and at times go completely silent. Everyone gets tense when they try to maintain a high level of focus for an extended period of time

[@petecabrina]

@@ougi2351 except arty is pretty much always like that while playing lol and sure everyone is human, but you can tell a lot of the better players can mentally and physically flow better are not stiff balls of rage and bm all the time.

[@zimti7390]

The way the cameras are set up make it look like Artosis has tiny T-Rex arm's 🦖

[@mirrorking2]

just different level of player, artosis lack of multitasking and scouting is astonishing after this many years. the amount of times he just blindly a moves into shit on high ground. got to love it!

[@ThisNameIsBanned]

Arty is trapped in the BW mindset. Units like the Ghost are much better with the SC2 UI against all the high value targets.

[@crimsonninja6995]

19:12 "Can I take your order?" "Absolutlayyy"

[@jaxjax5489]

harsh times but you are playing against someone who is still pro, on their most comfortable race while you're still having some key binding issues. Harstem took a map off of Raynor in an event like a month ago so you're really trying to climb one of the tallest peaks here. Admirable dedication and focus though.

[@electricitybomb]

"what the f am I supposed to do" Not oush with 130 supply while floating 3000 resources

[@DedesFewscres]

he's 40ish like me. don't expect too much from those brittle hands.

[@kal2352]

@@DedesFewscresyes but he thinks it’s a balancing issue instead of a skills issue.

[@destrik4115]

He also just like. Walked into bait disruptors.

[@marilynman]

@@kal2352 It is a balancing issue, if 2 best players go at each other with SC vs SC2 units, SC2 units win all the time. SC BCs vs SC2 BCs which would win? SC mass Carrier vs SC2 mass carrier + Mothership which would win?

[@mikeserds2333]

@@marilynmanmeanwhile g4ggs as sc1 terran won vs creator sc2 protoss. Using the same units but you see so much better usage of the units. also your comparison sucks. The whole pooint of this mod is to have different units.

[@TheKalash]

Already seen the Harstem version, so I'm looking forward to watch you rage.

[@multipotentialite]

He needed to use scans so the tanks and Goliaths could hit units. And to hunt observers.

[@ibm5155]

or a flying barracks

[@MichaelSotoCE]

Yeah he got decimated by LOS blocker He's building like 20m academy. His hero flash would be disappointed, scan is his best unit

[@rocksparadox]

@@MichaelSotoCE information and preparation are key. ;)

[@philpie2998]

R.e.v.a.l.a.t.i.o.n.

[@philpie2998]

It wouldn't have mattered. Both times he died to LOS he was already getting back doored. If you're sitting here saying you can beat harstem with scbw units and artosis is just bad, I'd love to see that. Campaign vultures are not balanced with multiplayer stalkers. You're out of your mind.

[@Cormalek]

Already seen it from Harstems POV, he was tryharding and had his butt clenched majority of the time, but Artosis comments were such a goldmine I NEED to see his POV on this :D It's like Hikaru's Titled Tuesday wins - both players blunder, one gets upper hand, but the other always thinks there's actual cheating going on, as if either has played perfectly. I'm also hoping for Mario erotica, ngl. edit: yea, good call from H. not to flame RT on those 13:37 SCV's not mining. That would've been a-stabbin'!

[@somecooney5304]

I wasn't even gonna watch this one, but this comment sold me on it, haha!

[@mEtil5656]

Artosis tryharded even more, didn't even talk at all

[@QueenOfMud]

Same! I usually don't like watching Arty because of how upset he gets and the community he built but I had to see this one.

[@Kor-Phaeron590]

Lol this felt like I was watching avilo

[@neptun3189]

harstem was so butt clenched, studying the match after and everything lol. i wish these guys played with audio chat enabled or somethin

[@mickcraftgaming]

SC2 players naturally have a huge advantage in this mod since everything is the same other than dealing with new enemy units. BW players are dealing with a new UI and all of their units behaving totally different from normal on top of having to worry about new units.

[@firestarter000001]

Tahts also a good point.

[@mickcraftgaming]

@@firestarter000001 I'd be interested to see how it would play out if an inverse mod was created, six faction Brood War with the three StarCraft 2 races worked into the BW engine somehow.

[@DieBieneFranz]

First time I see Artosis in years. First thing I noticed was his stream set up. It looks like he is sitting under the table and hold his hands from below like a T-Rex on the table, while making a super serious face. I can't unsee this anymore, dying from laughter right here. Does nobody notice this??

[@BurgerFlips]

Yes completely

[@BurgerFlips]

I'm glad someone noticed..I can't handle this video lmao

[@boreduser12]

Reading the in game chat makes me appreciate how smart the blizzard game designers are

[@chocobanana5262]

"Former" Blizzard game designers, since I'm pretty sure all of the people that worked on the development and maintaining StarCraft 2 were laid off for Bobby's yacht. Hopefully Microsoft does something to revive the game.

[@DavidGlendaleArdenaso]

new coop content like new maps and new commanders and then change some useless prestiges (HH P3) and perhaps give unique portraits and voices to Stukov's units @@chocobanana5262

[@boreduser12]

@@chocobanana5262 yes I know former. I'm just saying that whoever they were (during BW days but especially during LOTV days), they put in a lot of thought when trying to balance, and also when coming up with new units, and trying to think of how to change entire game mechanics because of one unit, and think of how to change either early game or late game. It's quite impressive. Pro players are impressive but game designers are genius.

[@chloesmith4065]

LotV was mostly David Kim / Dustin Browser iirc. SC:BW felt better designed to me; SC2 has too much stuff that feels like it circumvents good positional play - nydus, recall / mass recall, warp prisms, BC teleport, etc. and some overtuned units like widow mines, ghosts, lurkers, and some just plain badly designed "all or nothing" units like the disruptor

[@ahejleira5654]

Swarm hosts and banelings sure very smart game design.

[@krogan3760]

I'm not convinced that Arty would beat Harstem bw terran vs bw terran in the sc2 engine, I really don't intend to be an asshole but there is a significant gap in overall rts skill here. My hot take on the meta is that it will be bio tank vs sc2 toss with fast ghosts.

[@nathanpetrich7309]

I already watched Harstem's PoV and over here I'm already starting to agree with you. But why fast ghosts? If they were Sc2 ghosts with EMP, I'd get it, but...

[@chloesmith4065]

Harstem is like a Top 30/ top 40 player in the world and is currently like the 7th ranked player in Europe and takes games off of pretty much anybody except for like Serral and Clem. It's like being surprised Arty didn't beat NoRegreT's sc2 Zerg. Did people forget NoRegreT has 2-0'd Solar in a tournament and is on the same team as Maxpax? No disrespect to Artosis, he's a very strong player - but some of these show matches, the people he's playing against are on an even higher level, and they're playing their unaltered regular builds orders that they've done 50k times versus Arty trying a fan-made mod, kind of out of his element, in not his main game.

[@ahejleira5654]

@@nathanpetrich7309 You can lock down almost every protoss unit. 1 ghost can lockdown 2 units.

[@Lost7one]

@@chloesmith4065 who the heck is noregret?

[@kal2352]

There’s a big skills difference between Artosis and any pro(current or retired). He’s on 3 bases while enemy is on 5, he has no vision, and gets out manoeuvre d. He needs coaching to compete basically.

[@thijsjong]

Mass ghosts lockdown is reallllllllyyyyyyyy op with the SC2 u.i.

[@a.e.richardson218]

Oh god like 10 ghosts run up disable all your important units

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

we don't talk about ghosts here!

[@chloesmith4065]

They nerfed lockdown, it lasts even longer in bw

[@soldier22881]

it takes a long time to tech to science facility, by then sc2 toss will simply mass stalker and blink into base. the only good unit sc bw has for terran is the battle cruiser science vessel

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

I bully the AI with BW Ghosts on the regular, it's hilarious

[@cardboardconnoisseur9155]

Game 3 RT: _Puts his whole army on the low ground surrounded on three sides with no vision of Harstem_ _Leaves nothing in position to defend his fourth base and loses it to a small counterattack_ _unsieges all his tanks at once so he gets crushed when Harstem decides to poke at him_ "what the _fuck_ am I supposed to do?"

[@ClearAlera]

Was going to comment almost this exact thing. He also kept losing big chunks of his army in the middle of the map while he was staring at his base, leaving his tanks with no front line later in the game. Bad test of balance, Harstem is just a much better strategic player with more than double the APM. But Arty never looks inwards when he loses and that's why he improves so slowly or never at all. He always has a hacker/stream sniper/balance excuse queued up.

[@eZeero]

19:11 Can I take your order? *ABSOLUTELY*

[@AmericanNationalists]

Lol

[@biohazard3554]

19:11 Dropship- Can I take your order? Siege tank - Absolutely!

[@ibm5155]

18:52 disruptor attack gets covered by a giant blue explosion, and when it's visible the disruptor ball is seen under the tanks and not above it. Blizzard should fix this to make the disruptor ball always above the units

[@chloesmith4065]

Disruptor good game design 🤔 😊

[@edd8914]

Play Harstem again but him as SC1 Protoss. The SC2 engine is so nice.

[@darkalley8595]

I have a few questions, Artosis: 1. Taking into consideration that Vultures deal less damage than their mines, wouldn't it be better to prioritize placing mines near enemy Stalkers (even if some Vultures die in the process) than to try to kite the enemy? 2. Taking into consideration that tanks have greater range than line of sight, wouldn't it be good to use kiting vultures to lure the enemy in tank range rather than try to use tanks in mid/close combat? 3. Taking into consideration that Stalkers ADORE blinking on your sieged tanks, wouldn't it be good for you to place some mines around them, and then lure the enemy to your tanks (even if you lose all vultures in the process)? 4. Wouldn't it be more profitable to have multiple war parties rather than 1? This way, Stalkers with blink, Disruptors and AOE units wouldn't ruin your whole army. 3 parties would be optimal, I think. 5. When defending against Adepts, instead of sending all units (5-6 marines) towards the shade, wouldn't it be better to have 2 parties (3 marines/ 2-3 marines) and send one towards the shade and the other one to its kiting point (where the adept will run from your units after shading in)? 6. Golliats seem to be kiting units rather than front-liners (unless you get a Science Vessel with Matrix), so they aren't a good answer to enemy Carriers. Maybe you could try switching to flying units as soon as enemy makes carriers? Your Valkires are actually great vs Air. Especially if you put Matrix on them. 7. Your Vultures are amazing at harassment, but why harass only 1 base? Wouldn't it be better to have 2-3 parties of harassment to send them at the same time to multiple bases? Especially when SC2 can expand so fast. They can't have much units in all bases at once. Long story short: Why not use multiple war parties instead of relying on a bulk? Why not use mines (at the expense of some of your Vultures lives) to destroy stalkers (rather than kite them)? Why not use mine fields to lure blinking stalkers into their own death?

[@famulanrevengeance3044]

Siege tanks in multiple groups are really hard to use, in the last game you can see it happen when your forces are spread out, you just get A moved and lose. Especially against blink stalkers, you cannot spread out because they will jump on you and you won't even damage the enemies while you lose tons of units. Multiple groups in general are harder to micro unless it's just a blob of marines, mutas, or something simple like that, but even then there are large risks to it. In BW you can usually beat a larger force with a smaller one if you're defending because unit AI is terrible, you can block ramps so easily, there's less tools etc. Much harder in SC2.

[@redangel6217]

Stalkers can blink away from the mines and sc2 toss can have very quick observer as you can see in the match. He didn't play enough for scans and vision, cluttered too many tanks together to slow push so yea. Having mines near your tanks is such a bad idea. It wouldn't, too much split and your enemy can just pick your armies because there's more mobility, not to mention disruptors obliterate small parties specially when you gotta pay attention to 3 different ones. 1 adept can kill 2-3 bw marines by itself, does too much dmg vs light. Matrix on Valks won't do anything in general, not to mention against carriers, too much armour, and goliaths ARE the answer to carriers. Switching to flying units is not good idea because stalkers are too good vs anything BW terran has when it comes to air units, it's hard not to get overwhelmed if you go too diverse. As you probably notice, everytime they expand they also put shield batteries or just block the path, so it's hard to harass in multiple places, he had observers too and again, stalkers contest the vultures. Overall he didn't use vision or better positioning, vultures and mines are not that great against modern protoss, moving out in too many parties will just get you picked by enemy main army, it's a vision diff.

[@unnamedlegeon]

​@@redangel6217Mass Wraiths against SC2 Carriers, they can work in tandem with Goliaths 😁.

[@nathanpetrich7309]

​@@redangel6217 it is very good to make your opponent choose whether to risk blinking forward or blinking away. Every time they blink, they should feel some degree of risk, because that means you are negating most of the advantage of blink.

[@chloesmith4065]

This feels like a cleverstarcraftguy donation

[@supaflytoon7684]

That mod is actually insanely good. Lovin' it!

[@drdankenstein1753]

Artosis' chat is almost more entertaining than the gameplay. All those people just frothing at their mouths as soon as they're reminded that Starcraft 2 exists. :P

[@kingheenokgaming4783]

Artosis: BLIZZARD PATCH THIS. SC2 OP

[@mikebrmike]

Harstem is so polite while Arty's insides are slowly boiling

[@maxbachvaroff1967]

Artosis had really poor army movement in this series. In the phoenix game for example, he built a strong army and went to go attack. Harstem was afraid. But then Artosis spent several minutes moving back and forth between the middle of the map and the phoenixes sitting outside his natural, which he was obviously never going to catch. By the time he made it across, he was so late that it wasn't remotely surprising that he got held easily. Then when he moved out later in the game, he ended up sieging about 6 light years away from Harstem's 4th base, while also simultaneously leaving his own 3rd unprotected. Throughout the entire series I don't think Artosis ever got a siege tank or a goliath more than 60% of the way across the map. If Artosis is going to control his units like this, maybe he should focus on a more high economy, turtly style of play that doesn't require 450 APM to execute.

[@billybob-wx2re]

i've never seen someone hate high ground and unit movement more than arty

[@DamenJoost]

Really love this content even though it seems poorly balanced at the moment. Overall I notice how much I prefer the Sc1 unit set (vultures.. medics... dragoons... reavers... etc.) compared to SC2. I wonder how balanced the SC1 factions in this mod would be vs eachother, with the different worker behavior and incomes. And I also wonder what the potential would be of a combined faction (all units from both games.) What comps would emerge?

[@chloesmith4065]

There are mods with campaign/coop units in sc2 that have broodwar units like goliaths, wraiths, reavers dragoons arbiters etc.

[@uhohDavinci]

To be fair Harstem is a vastly superior player.. It's like a GM going up against a high diamond at best.

[@Benn1to]

It’s like a pro going up against a Masters player, cause thats what they both are.

[@soldier22881]

beautiful factory line in second match. also to be fair harstem did practice before facing you in the mod by playing against his friend who played as bw terran. thank you for playing the match. was good to see pro players from different starcrafts play together

[@Khaldryn]

C'mon folks, smash that like button, we need more of this!

[@ThePiquet888]

The developers really should use Artosis's face for one of the character visuals and vocals.. 'Yes Sir - REady to RoLL out!' ... He looks soooooo serious! Luv u Artosis!! Missing your commentary!! REALLY Want to see you, Winter, Pig, Tasteless.. 'unfiltered'.. one day... off the leash!!!

[@soudo]

You look like a muppet with that cam and hand cam set up, I love it

[@chloesmith4065]

Trex arms

[@hex_gekko29568]

BW Hydralisk has to be incredible in this mod since it only takes 1 supply

[@chloesmith4065]

That is a big factor and I've seen games with 100+ hydras swarming and then instantly remaxing. Lore accurate zerg

[@indnwkybrd]

Someone should make the inverse mod too: SC2 races in the SC1 client. Stalkers that bump into each other and refuse to kite up ramps. Disruptor novas that blow up in your face because they don't go where you click. It would be epic. Came here after watching this one from Harstem's perspective too. Fun content on both ends IMO. Harstem was def tryharding for the W vs. the institution that is Artosis (no shade; I believe at one point he called you a "national treasure" unironically) and yet you still almost had him several times. IIRC that "f**k!" counterattack at 20:15 for example was Harstem trying to draw Arty away from his base, bc Harstem thought he was dead if Arty were to push right then. Let's be real too, Harstem's just objectively really good at SC2. P.S. I also just wanna say, until seeing the chat on the side, I actually never knew that Artosis had a second career hosting a stream for SC fans with debilitating brain damage! What a kind & compassionate soul you are, Arty, for giving those poor, poor folks a home in the SC community. I'm curious as to how you initially got involved with Starcraft-related charity work on behalf of the intellectually challenged? Whatever the answer, I applaud your generosity & I tip my hat to you sir.

[@DazjaRoux]

Move barracks over one tile to block the ramp early and lift it when you want to let units out. You don't need to lower depots to make a wall with Terran

[@WonderingWanderer88]

Game 2 you almost had him. He was almost dead until the carriers showed up. Maybe trying to mix in a few lock-down ghosts? I get it's expensive, but maybe worth anyway...

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

Harstem did a really good job clearing mines in these games. After watching Harstems video, I think there was a lengthy time in game 2, and maybe other games too, that you could have pushed and won. SC2 does have the better macro, but SC1 units are better buys. Like a vulture for 75 which is way better than a hellion for 100

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

HE JUST SITS THERE IN AN ARC! (game 2)

[@spertile890]

hey alright artosis sc2 toss vs snow bw toss when, show me the kimchi

[@josearmandogomezrocabado537]

Nah man, arty with SC2 Protoss 👀👀👀

[@Zultarify]

It feels like you would do way better with bio+tanks just taking more shots than vultures and dealing more dps while getting killed to make worth the time your tanks getting focused. Nice to see you still playing. I started Sc 1998 and i still feel connected to the old voices... Also Love the mod! Keep it up :)

[@tehsparton]

:) I love this, I watched Harstems side first, it's really interesting to see you guys play, you should get more SC2 youtubers involved like uthermal or day9 :P

[@gustavomolinari7522]

From what I remember from the old brood war days, if you played Terran it would be 4 barracks immediately pumping marines, to 6 barracks pumping medics and if against protoss or Zerg, firebats as well. Then mech would come situational. But I might be wrong.

[@JCMiniPainting]

NGL I think this kind of content is better on your second channel but I appreciate you continuing to experiment with the mod.

[@claudiopasinelli9362]

19:11 "Can I take your order?" "Absolutely!"

[@kwilatek]

I think it would have been more fair if Harstem played with SC1 race... and with one hand tied behind his back.

[@a.e.richardson218]

you also gotta remember the most broken race in that mod rn is bw zerg hydras got a big attack speed buff and damage agaisnt light and medium

[@kwilatek]

@@a.e.richardson218 Did you even watch this video? Harstem played Protoss, not Zerg.

[@a.e.richardson218]

@@kwilatek the issue is the bw races aren't bad arty is bad, with bw toss harstem probaby would have executed it well enough to beat arty

[@kwilatek]

@@a.e.richardson218 I wholeheartedly agree

[@danielsommerlykke9475]

Seems clear from the pro matches, that sc1 terran advantage is faster stim research mm with a couple of sieged tanks and pulled scv's for the extra hp tanking. Perhaps you can follow up with a drop that you prescan for while expanding quickly. If you don't enough inflict damage on the initial attack, the sc2 econ mechanics will bring the game out of reach. Also scanning the enemy base in general and expanding a lot faster, even cc's in base producing would help Arty keep up better in the midgame. And obviously T needs at least one bunker if the opponent goes for any kind of pressure.

[@mEtil5656]

The thing is that theoretically the terran doom mech army is unbeatable. Because tanks cost 2 supply only you can mass them like crazy and can build tons of goliaths as well. You just need to live

[@danielsommerlykke9475]

@@mEtil5656 You need to match econ, because the opponent can counter when you move out. You have to play a tempo game. If you don't temper their econ, you will never reach a winnable position vs an sc2 race.

[@HibiscusOrchid]

@@mEtil5656 The only concern is that BW Terran, unlike SC2 in general, does not have air superiority. Air to air is quite a prominent part of SC2, unlike BW, so BW Terran really has to keep in mind that their forces is much limited in versatility despite generally having one for all solution. With SC2's much responsive pathfinding, Carriers/Interceptors are much more deadly, able to attack, pursue, and retarget in a blink of an eye. This easily overwhelms Goliaths. You really need to utilise air as BW Terran when facing against SC2 air as marines and goliaths alone can only go so far.

[@Saddedude]

@@HibiscusOrchid Yeah, valks will keep skytoss at bay and help with collussi

[@dew9103]

@@mEtil5656in brood war you’re absolutely right, but in this mod, protoss with sentry, immortal and disruptors as well as absurd mobility with recall easily beats any terran pushes in the lategame

[@FlokiTech]

How does mass valkyrie do against sc2 carriers? Siege tanks are only 2 supply so you could probably get like 40-50 siege tanks and then just spend the rest of your supply on valkyries and you would be unbetable on air and ground.

[@upsidedownsundae4763]

You needed chats text to speech to give you the power to win.

[@ToTheNines87368]

I’d watch more of this. Shame it doesn’t have a ladder.

[@sechristen]

Arty, love the sc1 in sc2 videos but stop trying to beat starcraft 2 GMs with their main race, lol it’s not going to happen

[@WeirdViking]

That was riveting commentary during the gameplay :D

[@gehirndoper]

We NEED the rematch with swapped races.

[@speakertrees]

Feels like a dream, feels like magic

[@anthonykneipiii4562]

Gotta go to sleep… But i can’t wait to watch this! 😄 Hope you did well!

[@rothkobreath]

Narrator: He did not.

[@janekbrat6951]

I mean with some extra lore, you could make so much with this game mode. Like the Broodwar factions are some splitter factions of the T/Z/P. They cloud be the earth Directory for the Terrans. Some long isolated rogue zerebrate for the Zerg. And maybe some lost colony for the Protoss.

[@karpai5427]

One of the few survived Cerebrates have come for revenge. UED is back I guess. And idk... Where would protoss get new judges to pilot Arbiters? In the past?

[@denarte6986]

Who cares about lore when you’re playing high ranked 1v1?

[@sihTdaeRtnaCuoY]

Nah, all you need is wormholes and time travel.

[@kenosgaming9937]

@@karpai5427Some Judicators might have left Protoss society due to the threat of their caste being eliminated and took Arbiters with them. Then they set up a new Protoss faction and now with Aiur being rebuilt they think it's a good time to come back and try to throw their weight around. The existence of the Tal'darim opens the door to many different "hey there was a splinter faction out there after the civil war" ideas as well.

[@Artas1984]

From Harstem's PoV it's much more interesting, cuz he does not exactly know the terrans real abilities. He also reveals much more in the map, because Arty just sits there..

[@OjamaGerritsBroodWar]

I think technically since you start you can open rax first and gas like a 10/10/10 maybe? You have 10+ miners to start and itd get you to the mech faster. I just feel like you have a surplus of minerals early without much for them to go in. Maybe double gas as the rax is going up?

[@JackVermicelli]

SC2 feels so zoomed in (like it was meant to be a small-unit tactics game rather than full battles), moreso than SC1. Not many games do what Total Annihilation did right: more realistic weapon ranges often more than one screen, true terrain-affected line-of-sight, air units that actually fly, unit sizes making sense relative to each other.

[@gnoomlord]

sc2 mobility is pretty crazy for bw, like the only thing that can keep up with it is bw mutas I think

[@ivl_rider_of_the_storm]

Play vs one of the best Protoss player in SC2 is really *Insane*

[@TheRealSykx]

27:07 the immense frown on Arty's face as Harstem's adept solo's his marines

[@Jauertussen1]

i am a terrible sc2/sc player my self, but i had seen that carrier switch in game 2 miles away, you play vulture and siege tank, so massive that you got no counter to air

[@darkalley8595]

Nice games, but I think that you need a lot more practice. I think you could win. You just need to harass more, make ambushes, have more war parties and be more flexible. You must begin to think in SC2 terms of strategies rather than SC1 because you're fighting SC2 races. You're awesome. Please keep fighting, no matter how much you lose.

[@lucas56sdd]

As a meleehead I'm happy yall got your Project M 💕

[@chloesmith4065]

Much as I enjoy this mod It's not quite on project M's level yet lol

[@rollthepoint4971]

Never scouted after first 5 minutes or even built a comm sat for that matter (dedpite being able to bind to 1 hotkey in this mod) LOL Classic RT, Dirty David would be proud!

[@H4NGM4NDVD]

This is the video i wanted to see

[@unnamedlegeon]

You know Harstem is so cautious of the Vulture that he have to mass observers, and Artonis didn't even notice it?.

[@KyokushinGaming]

This is very interesting after watching Uthermal do this matchup. It looks impossible watching RT. But Uthermal did beat a really high level protoss player with BW Terran.

[@ianvangils1617]

Can you do you SC1 vs SC2 casts? Would be great to see, I loved the Afreeca showmatches

[@firestarter000001]

It was fun. A lot of balance changes hopefully will be introduced, im curious if there will be a meta for these sc1 vs sc2

[@kicknitoldskool]

Praise Jebus he took off the donation comments for this one

[@markpayton3895]

Let's see rematch of Artosis playing SC2 Protoss vs SC1 Terran by Harstem.

[@stardrifter2872]

This is cool. BUT WHERE ARE THE MIRROR MATCHES?!

[@swedishgothia9784]

Artosis, would you mind going through the replays with us to see your thoughts of what and where you possibly could've gained some ground in some of these games, even if perhaps the outcome would've been the same?

[@RikardNilsAlbertAndersson]

This is such a cool mod!

[@gerhardroediger8331]

interesting approach: game1 tank/vulture... did not work. second game tank vulture with goliaths mixed in because of the phoenixl... did not work. next ame bio start which kind of worked and then siwtches to... tank/vulture which again does not work. Arty, are you addicted to tank vulture or allergic against bio? what's the deal? btw floating 1k+ minerals almost all of the time does not help either i guess ;)

[@MichaelSotoCE]

5 range Marines with no combat shields is never gonna work anyway. And no marauders. Bio into mech does seem like a good opening though Common thing in all the games is artosis is not multitasking enough, no map control or vision, gets scanners super late, no floating vision.

[@jasonsoliva6678]

Now let's watch Artosis play Harstem on Brood War? No?

[@mglegacy012]

You can really see the disparities between the games here. In SC2 you mine so much faster but you also have so much production. Terran not having reactors is so rough. Also almost zero defense in the early game, having to build an engineering bay and turrets is so wild. Any all in would crush so hard

[@a.e.richardson218]

sc1 races mine faster than sc2 races do in the mod since the workers accelerate instantly its a decent amount of extra mining

[@benismann]

wait until you see sc1 zerg. Terran has 60 hp SCVs

[@danielmata610]

If you manage to get a good amount of ghosts with lockdown in the mix it can turn the tables

[@kal2352]

Artosis just can’t compare to the pros. He gets out macroed and microed, then complains about balancing. He’s literally 2 bases down with no vision for his siege tanks but ya it’s a balancing issue…

[@BorgCollectiveAQ]

Really like that he dont rage quit.... Poor Artosis can stop the Starcraft 2 units

[@strummer856]

Wcyd against the year of harstem?

[@neptun3189]

been waiting all day for your upload

[@neptun3189]

lmao thankyouuu

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

Havn't watched yet but highly unlikely Arty takes a game off the Captain

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

He played surprisingly well game 2

[@derpsalot6853]

Harstem just doesn't really know what the sc1 units are capable of he played extremely safe, allowing arty to take a bunch of control/bases; I think he was way more scared of vultures than he should have been

[@JudoStev]

@@derpsalot6853 Hartstem had played a bunch of practice matches before this against one of his friends. Harstem's buddy wrecked him several times, often using vultures. Then he told Harstem that Artosis was even better lol.

[@Saddedude]

Needs to get some valks in the air to keep skytoss at bay. WIll help against collussi as well

[@RodrigoMera]

The struggle is real

[@christianjacobsen3049]

I press like button twice because i want it so bad

[@sylvariatzaka]

Harstem is approaching the very highest level of SC2, he can take a game off anyone in the world. Nice try.

[@leocarl5264]

Bro you can use Marine Medic and PUSH EARLY

[@jehmed]

Artosis casually pushing into an ambush where Harstem unleashes his forces from three sides and then acting like there was nothing he could have done otherwise 😂 Edit: the Phoenixes circled from the north so make that four sides

[@clivah1499]

It feels like vultures can keep the enemy at his own base forever.

[@zheta42]

Watching Harstem play, think at a minimum need scans for observers and some harassment or more unit diversity.

[@Broockle]

I love RT's mech style. His macro is solid being able to build so many factory units. But I disagree with how he's deploying his Vultures. They can't be in your base defending, that's not what they're good at. There should always be Vultures on the other side of the map ready to counter attack. Use them like Zerglings.

[@tamanwin7278]

Anyone have the details on how this game mode is balanced? like what is adjusted?

[@oj43085]

It's a very cool mod the vultures look so good, I was hoping to see valks and other units. Its still in beta as far as I know but as a viewer this is awesome to see. Not as good as broodwar remastered though :)

[@zimms87]

Pointless endeavor. BW Terran relies on tanks vs Protoss and in SC2 half the Protoss units feel like they were designed to hard counter BW tanks.