Love the crap out of that undo button. It takes more time than you can imagine to have to reach to your computer keyboard to undo, or more so for the mouse. The metal construction surprises me! To see that in a MIDI keyboard is almost unheard of. The mod and pitch wheels popped right off the bat. The wood paneling look on the sight is gorgeous.
@transmutationdotse Жыл бұрын
Love the crap out of. That's SO much love!
@Konstantinos1434 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very few people out there actually put in the work you put into making such comprehensive guides like this one. Cheers!
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for recognizing the time and effort it takes me to do it.
@nicholausjayageeth28223 жыл бұрын
Thank you bro.. God Bless you
@Konstantinos1434 жыл бұрын
This presentation of yours is the only I have found in youtube where one actually listens and watches the integration with a DAW and different plugins: This was a great selling point for me. I just purchased the 88 version, used but in good wellfunctioning condition. Thank you Sanjay!
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
SO glad this video was helpful to you.
@watchmykicksllc Жыл бұрын
bro you got the best comparison/review videos on KZbin period! def the mic comparison video watched that 10 times before being the tlm 103,
@SanjayC Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that especially on the mic video. That took so long to make. Thanks 🙏🏼
@transmutationdotse Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sanjay! Super appreciate your presentations° :)
@joshuaepstein58742 жыл бұрын
Just want to give a testament to Artutia's customer support. I bought a used 61 MK2 and the seller didn't have the overlays. I emailed Arturia and they sent me some free of charge.
@sinwithsebastian2 жыл бұрын
I had the previous one and I really liked it, but the problem I see is that the main benefit is only for the Arturia plugins, but I also use Roland Cloud and native instruments and many others
@emiel3336 жыл бұрын
Great MIDI keyboard. My advice: buy the 61 key version. It’s only $50 more and will definitely benefit your record an playing abilities.
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
I agree!!
@mattanderson76296 жыл бұрын
How so? I just picked this up the 49 key version recently.
@DopamineOverload5 жыл бұрын
@@mattanderson7629 I got the 49 in white. I love it. Fits better. I like having the pitch bend and mod wheel directly on the left. For most electronic music needs, a 49-key is ideal. :)
@noobplaysleague75525 жыл бұрын
It's just under £200 more :(
@emiel3335 жыл бұрын
Matt Ando I don’t said a 49 key is bad but if you have the money go for a 61 keys MIDI keyboard. You can do more without octave shifting. But hey, even a 25 keys keyboard can do the job for EDM.
@jamespoeschel4462 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thank you so much for a stellar walkthrough video. I bought this keyboard a year or two ago and hardly touched it since all the tutorials I found were too complex and I was intimidated as a newbie to midi controllers and music software. I wish I had seen this video sooner. I had noooo idea you could use analog lab sounds in Ableton! That is a game changer.
@ricot53912 жыл бұрын
I just sent mine back after 2 weeks it's all hype
@UsAsiansEatRice2 жыл бұрын
@@ricot5391 honestly i would too if i could but since I cant i might as well learn to use it
@JohnMSD4 жыл бұрын
I had to pause your video around the 3 minute mark because you already sold me on the product. Looking forward to getting this soon :)
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@Manjiss925 жыл бұрын
I love that this midi keyboard has the 16 pads and the faders, not every control has them and I think they come in pretty handy. Thanks for the giveaway, one more time.
@JamesBermingham4 жыл бұрын
9:48 Hi Sanjay. Do you know if this can be/or is fixed with a firmware update since you made the video? As always , a great video!!
@rgbeatz84955 жыл бұрын
I think this one is the most complete keyboard, so cool that there are pads and kbobs
@AdminVortex7622 жыл бұрын
I have the black version - the quality is sublime. Keybed is superb too.
@jamesbarnes50565 жыл бұрын
This looks like an amazing controller.
@TeleporterM112 жыл бұрын
Sanjay does it have Chord and scales function like the M Audio Oxygen Pro
@sanzay.5 жыл бұрын
I like the knobs and the Analog Lab VST😆...Ugh I wanna try those vintage synths!!!😍
@g.n.stacey6 жыл бұрын
Wow that looks beautiful
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
Arturia stuff is pretty!
@bruin49374 жыл бұрын
Sanjay, thanks. You present quality reviews with enough depth and detail to enlighten others to how the featured/tested products may be of value to them. I've been eyeing the Keylab MkII 61 since you launched this video and since I've been saving money on not having to commute to work during the pandemic, I treated myself to one in black just yesterday. I have been a faithful Arturia and V-Collection user since circa 2011 when I first bought their Analog Experience - The Laboratory 61. Although the keyboard remains highly functional, the added conveniences in this new Keylab MkII IMHO are definitely worth this upgrade. Thanks again for the quality and very useful content. Cheers.
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience. And thanks for the nice compliment too!
@coloradocornbread69962 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks for the absolute wealth of information! I think you've convinced this beginner to pick up a MKii :)
@sampathsnair5076 жыл бұрын
This one is awesome. one of my friends have this, I have tried it and it feels Rich, I was confused with those 3 mods, but now I got it. Thanks for the Deep review man. Do more videos. ✌️ #inlovewitharturia 😂
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful! Its a really nice keyboard.
@ReachMePiano4 жыл бұрын
Sanjay, thank you for the information. I just got my mkll, I really wnt to know how did you fix the velocity curve of the keyboard?
@WahlyZenit3 жыл бұрын
I’m really torn between this and the Novation Launchkey 49
@calogerotamburello41325 жыл бұрын
Amazing, my favourite feature Is the user mode
@KaitavSapreMusic6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant review. Very helpful. Only one question: I saw on the Arturia product page that the keys of this keyboard support aftertouch. Could you please confirm if the aftertouch really works and how good or bad it is? Thank you :)
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
Yes they do. I can’t say that I tested aftertouch enough to give a good opinion, though.
@fredmanteghian59135 жыл бұрын
After touch is supported but if the VI isn’t set to respond to it, then it doesn’t. The Yamaha CS80 instrument presets do have after touch on a few I tried.
@KaitavSapreMusic5 жыл бұрын
@@fredmanteghian5913 Thanks for the information.
@fuzzylightning3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this review! I will definitely be getting this!
@SanjayC3 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@WycliffStudios3 жыл бұрын
This is amazing but I wish that the Knobs and Faders were on the Left side. That is the correct side.
@SanjayC3 жыл бұрын
True
@arrondavis97065 жыл бұрын
I wish I could play with this, I like the way it is design all the knobs and button line up perfectly
@darrenewing19005 жыл бұрын
Wow, cool piece of hardware! There are a few things I really like about it The presets and daw controls alone are pretty cool. I'm living the voices too! ✌😁👍
@khemistryfilms5 жыл бұрын
Great review Sanjay C. I'm in the market for two Midi Controllers, one for live and another for my studio and I made a decision on the Keylab MkII based on the strength of your review. The other reviews that I saw on this board were surface level. You went deep into this board. I also appreciate the other two videos on the comparison of the Keylab MkII vs. the Native Instruments S88 and the Keylab MkII vs. the Keylab Essentials. I've decided to get the MkII for my studio and a Keylab Essentials for my live rig. Well done.
@SanjayC5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the message, exmun. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. If you use Ableton, make sure you check out my video on how to map the plugins with any keyboard.
@AmeyaDevkar5 жыл бұрын
I love it mostly for the new touch controls and the build quality !
@Jhnny5 жыл бұрын
My favorite features are the keys themselves and of course the vintage synths. I wish I could get my hands on one
@avationmusic4 жыл бұрын
I have no idea why I’m here because I already have an Ableton push and a full length MIDI keyboard, but I watched the whole thing anyway and still enjoyed it ahaha
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
haha! I'm happy about that. I do the same sometimes. I just love this gear
@kevinlbrockway2 жыл бұрын
Another AWESOME video!! I really appreciate what you do.
@PlagueRat-6 жыл бұрын
Great review! So keylab vs kk mk1 if I'm buying today?
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
Keylab! :-)
@anniedarkhorse6791 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Great detail. Well explained.
@jitendersingh25165 жыл бұрын
Woah! I'm already saving for this KEYLAB but I was a bit confused. You cleared my doubts. Thanks. :) #
@ThePhotomusicguy3 жыл бұрын
I always respect your advice, you do the necessary work needed to do informative videos, thanks! On another note, if they ever make a movie about the famous DJ Casey Kasem, they need to hire you to play him or do his radio show voice. Or maybe you should do a radio show of your own called America top 40 v2. Nice work!
@SanjayC3 жыл бұрын
Haha...thanks so much!
@TheWiseMonk5 жыл бұрын
I have access to Komplete 11 but I'm inclined towards buying this keyboard. Should there be a syncing issue between the two?
@meathead9193 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great review.
@voiceofgolding8 ай бұрын
This is a great review - super helpful. Thanks!! Any idea whether the workflow is as easy using this with Logic?
@PurpleMusicProductions5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. You showed me a feature that I was not aware of in analog lab.
@SanjayC5 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for watching. Hope you subscribed!
@sasmithananth77715 жыл бұрын
It gets a lot of work done quickly and efficiently. The pads open a lot of possibility for sampling and programming.
@somnathmusictattu4 жыл бұрын
Can I control Komplete 12 instruments with Arturia Keylab mkii 49 ?
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
You can play them, no problem.
@rodneymaiato5 жыл бұрын
Looks great. My favourite feature is the ability to control Ableton Live.
@lennardvillasenor51514 жыл бұрын
Love this review. I would be interested in seeing your comparison with the Nektor Panorama P6 o4 P4, insofar as many popular non Arturia VSTs, such as Serum, are already mapped.
@iandeegrees15096 ай бұрын
6:35 why not saving MIDI maps within Ableton (eg. Macro 1 = Filter, Macro 2 = Reso,...) and save this as your "default" (by right clicking in the title of the intrument in the bar. I've done this which each instrument I have. Each time I open a VST the MIDI is mapped already. So you one have to use one single Keylab preset for all instruments at once. sure you have to activate the corresponding track... just an idea to solve that issue you mentioned 😉 btw: as usual, thank you for your content
@JKOnTheTrack5 жыл бұрын
This would actually go good with my Arturo’s collection of vsts I have from them 💯💯
@chicogozosodecabellosedoso5 жыл бұрын
Can I learn to play keyboard or piano with the mini lab ?
@Paqucha Жыл бұрын
Hi Sanjay, thank you very much for this video. I would like to know something. This keyboard can control several DAWs like Ableton Live, Logic Pro X, Pro Tools, Cubase... but what about Samplitude Pro, another great DAW ? Thank you. Best regards
@nelsonvanneri5 жыл бұрын
This is quality content.. Thanks for these lovely videos 😊
@CliffordWinder4 жыл бұрын
I bought the 88 key version, and am studying all the videos I can until it comes in the mail!
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Good luck with your learning!
@bluestripetiger4 жыл бұрын
Sanjay --thank you so much for such a great informative video. I felt as if you were trying to explain so i would be able to make my own decision rather than trying to shove a product down my throat. Thank you so much for such a consumer friendly approach. You come across as a great, laid back guy, who i could easily imagine having a jam session in the studio with. Combine that with a great soothing radio dj voice and you have youtube video magic! Keep up the great work. Could you do a video comparing the Arturia Keylab mk II with the Novation SL mkIII?
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind works. I've actually done that comparison here kzbin.info/www/bejne/boHUkpKbrdmMm5o
@cooldaze574 жыл бұрын
Why would being able to adjust velocity curves of the keys only work in “User” mode? Wouldn’t this force you to work outside of your specific DAW (Logic, Cubase, etc) to tailor the MkII to your specific playing style? That seems like quite a limitation, as I think you would lose functionality/efficiency if you have to create a User preset to replicate the majority of your DAW functionality just to get the velocity curve you prefer! Am I missing something here Sanjay?
@bobcatt22943 жыл бұрын
There has to be a MkII video which is targeted for those who desire to not depend on a DAW. If the VST could be captured on a hardware synth, now that would be news. Withstanding not having the software goodies, the number of encoders, buttons, faders (9 rather that the usual 8), the number of I/O ports and build quality are very attractive for those who wish to go DAW or DAW-less. I like to be able to not depend on a computer - but have that option. A decent surface controller which would compare that of the MkII, would cost in the vicinity of $450.00 however getting a scrub wheel may be difficult issue with these other controllers, surface or with a keyboard.
@romanzvookoff37262 жыл бұрын
I’ve bought it and it doesn’t work properly with Cubase 11. There are a lot of bugs. Now I’m going to get rid of it and buy akai mpc
@prongpraison84633 жыл бұрын
Which one would you recommend between Arturia vs Novation 61SL MkIII? I use Logic
@mdpro2er6 жыл бұрын
This controller wasn't on my radar at all. Thanks for sharing
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. This is premium gear!
@tarco695 жыл бұрын
Blessings, I recently purchased the Arturia Keylab Mk II 49, I'm using mainstage 3 which of the three modes (ANALOG LAB, DAW, USER) would give me the best workflow capabilities.
@davebassP57 ай бұрын
You can definitely change the midi CC numbers on the keyboard.
@coolscube50624 жыл бұрын
im looking for a midi keyboard you do a really good in depth look at these keyboards i'm fussy what i play on Grate vid
@logjamstomper12802 жыл бұрын
Well I bought this keyboard. (the Keylab 49 mk2) It's a geat piece of kit. A little difficulty with Cubase 10.5 initially but the whole feel of it is way better than an A series NI keyboard imho... which incidentally was not that great to set up in Cubase... couldn't get the sustain pedal to work at all in Windows 10 with the NI unit. I expect the S series NI keyboards would work well in Kontakt and have a similar keybed but I like this instrument.
@basslinephunk34416 жыл бұрын
Nice controller Sanjay. You are the man!
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bassline!
@aniruddh_d164 жыл бұрын
It's clear to me that you really like the preset "fascination' in Analog Lab.
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Haha! I really like it...but its also high on the list of presets in Analog Lab so I keep choosing it! lol
@MrVuvu4 жыл бұрын
Does this integrate with the Komplete Kontrol plugin out of the box?
@aniruddh_d164 жыл бұрын
@@MrVuvu I think you have to manually map the faders,knobs,etc.,Check Sanjay C's video to learn how to do that.
@aniruddh_d164 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC Does it come in Analog Lab Lite
@Ur3rdiMcFly3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Watched this after the first 4 official tutorial videos, and you showed me what I wanted to see. They didn't really show optimal workflow.
@SanjayC3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome. I'm glad I could help
@battye753 ай бұрын
Hi Sanjay hope your well you mentioned about mapping nexus to the arturia keylab but how do you do that as im at a loss or any vst come to think of it thanks
@nico-1825 жыл бұрын
I really like the upgrade you can make to this keyboard, but for the portability I prefer the small version to transport more comfortably, I really like the appearance of the keyboard, and that you can work a lot with your daw on the computer using the keyboard as port, I would like very much to be able to have one of these keyboards;) greetings!
@dannyadityo20724 жыл бұрын
Hi Sanjay, I really like your review, quick and clear...just quick question, can Arturia Keylab MKII be standalone?
@antoinediaz70823 жыл бұрын
It doesn't make sound in itself
@braveheartbraveheart78 Жыл бұрын
Nice review sir! Do you still recommend this keyboard? Planning to buy.
@logjamstomper12802 жыл бұрын
Hi Sanjay, Good video.Succinct. No messing. However I just wanted to say that as a Cubase user I am a little concerned about the integration into that particular DAW. There is a lot of stuff on the net about various users having difficulties and saying that no matter what they try they can't get it to work properly. User error? Not sure. The jog wheel when used to move position in Cubase has been reported as being slow and not smooth. I wonder if you have any comment?
@geomendez Жыл бұрын
Hello, can you help me please...how many layers of sound can be configured on this keyboard controller so that they run and sound at the same time, could it be a piano+pad+strings+organ? That is, is it possible to run more than 3 layers of sound at the same time? Thanks in advance
@brettrae2 жыл бұрын
Great review! And you have the best radio voice haha I'm brand new to music production and was wondering if you had thoughts on if I should go with the Keylab 49 Essentials or the Keylab 49 mk2?
@Jpaul0386 жыл бұрын
Nice job Sanjay C!
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@hinduprinze336 жыл бұрын
I'm coming over to play with it!
@jonaspersson6254 Жыл бұрын
You said that when midi mapping with Midi CC Learn it is saved for that song only. Ok, it is..but (at least) in Atmosphere it is possible to save and load templates. I have just bought a black Arturia Keylab 61 Mkii and tried to save a template after I had done some Midi Learn for knobs and sliders on the Arturia Mkii. I closed the song and then opened another song of mine. After that I loaded the template I just had saved..and voila...now my knobs and sliders worked fine also in this second song. In Atmosphere I just had to click on "Utility" and then "Load Template". Is not this possible in Nexus?
@mrmatthewortega5 жыл бұрын
I own a 25 key by another brand and the thing I want more of is drum pads and faders. I like the outs on this too!
@michaos14 жыл бұрын
btw drumming on a drumpads is dumb, keyboard drumming is much smoother with more expression control.
@urielestrada12623 жыл бұрын
Sanjay gracias por la información, solo tengo una duda este controlador es compatible con Reason???? Ojala me pudieras ayudar, gracias nuevamente!!
@psbsynthmusic5 жыл бұрын
Awesome review! Thanks much !
@SanjayC5 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You planning to get it? :-)
@ahumblerequest52226 жыл бұрын
Best review ever
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏🏽 I worked hard on this!
@dosbentee2 жыл бұрын
Hi, now that it has been a year more - I am looking for a beginner MIDI piano that will be portable and allowed in economy class hand carry airlines specifically from saudi or canada to philippines, my country. I want something to learn with as a beginner and will last a lifetime - same with roland fp30x but I want it to be way lighter - either synth or real weighted piano. Pls help ❤ I am looking forward to buying this Arturia mkii black 61 keys color to be shipped to saudi arabia khobar. I just bought roland fp30x from a music store yesterday - but i will return it back because good review videos I watched for asturia mkii ❤️ I never played piano but I am really willing to learn. 1.) One also concern is - if you take this piano to your gigs - what is the most portable piano stand for the arturia mkii 61 keys - that can be modified to carry apple laptop too? If not please recommend the best/sturdy portable keyboard stand & separate laptop stand - both should be sturdy and easy to carry. Please refer yravel cases too for the keyboard stand and laptop stand. 2.) Changing that built-in battery how hard is it to replace? Is it easily replaceable in any battery shops? Or the charger? 3.) For travel - please refer to me a hard case & a softcase but padded in case i can take it as a carry on luggage. 4.) What other accessories should I buy together with the keyboard including speakers and such because i do not know well. Assume that I have this keyboard asturia mkii 61 keys and an macbook laptop - what else would i need to buy to complete my initiial setup and that O can play and learn? With much anticipation and excitement, Isagani
@dennistaraporewala2 жыл бұрын
Could I use this with GarageBand? Thank you for your response.
@1jarrais5 жыл бұрын
Great review! Dope MIDI controller!
@benhall22354 жыл бұрын
Ableton is to Live what Steinberg is to Cubase, Apple is to Logic pro and Image Line is to FL studio. It's a brand/company name. Their product the Daw is called "Live" it's a good name especially considering it's strengths as a performance sequencer.
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's true
@mrysSOFTWARE6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good overview!
@SanjayC6 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@shamz20395 жыл бұрын
I really love this guide and review. Im going to purchase this but I really wish there were simpler explanations for all the features. Im getting kind of lost in your explanations, though I think I got the gist of everything.
@SanjayC5 жыл бұрын
Its hard to show everything this keyboard can do. Its very complex. But the main features are very easy to use.
@france4me1172 жыл бұрын
Hi Sanjay, yet another brilliant demonstration as always. May I ask, is this better then the Native Instruments 61 Mk2 for composition of music for movies? Also as I’m intending to get the full addition of Spitfire Audio Symphony Orchestra and other software such as Pianos and Choir’s. Do you think this will work well with the set up? Thank you kindly
@bobcatt22943 жыл бұрын
Knobs you say, that is what you find on a door. Encoders are on synths which are significant.
@michaos14 жыл бұрын
Top-notch review, thanks. Nobody showed Live’s launchpad controls and I’m really surprised how people omitted this super-important feature. How’s the keybed compared to Novation SL MkII? Those are Fatar action keys.
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! It feels almost the same as the Novation SL
@rajkamaljangir36182 жыл бұрын
Hello sir, i recently purchased arturia keylab 61 mk2, which cable do i need to connect it with MacBook Pro's thunderbolt 4 port ? A usb type b to type a cable included with arturia.
@Levijeh4 жыл бұрын
I use my MK II with Reaper and is super easy, even easier than Ableton Live, at least for me.
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that
@alexrodriguez32114 жыл бұрын
Sanjay, thanks for this review. I'm getting started learning piano and decided to get the 61 key version. I especially like that it came with Arturia's Piano and Analog lab. Question: I would like to use the drum pads to experiment with laying down guitar and drum sounds in Live lite. I'd like to take advantage of the NI deals now. Do you think Battery 4 will work well with the Keylab? If this works out, I'd like to invest in Maschine next year when the sales go on. Appreciate any suggestions for a complete beginner. All the best to you.
@ConfidenZe4 жыл бұрын
how do the features work on FL20 ?
@shapourdashtpour633 ай бұрын
can you make one for cubase 12? the keyboard does not make any sound
@finitesound4 жыл бұрын
Trying decide between the 61 and 88 right now. I'm just learning piano but I have produced music for years and am committed to learning. I want to invest in a long term solution and the 88 seems like the best choice. But it's a big price jump.
@SanjayC4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know what you mean. But once you get a good 88, you won't need anything else for a long time. That's my philosophy
@Photographersforyou3 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for the info very interesting. Can I ask if you can use the pads in logic to play back set up chords etc...?
@mjsthx11384 жыл бұрын
Nice video. So if I understand correctly is the following correct: Using studio one I could open a track that uses the Presence Instrument and assign all the presence controls to the Keylab MKii in the user bank?
@HallyFPV2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to split the keybed in to different zones like the SL Mk3? Cheers.
@TomPeracchio3 жыл бұрын
Shopping for a controller. Loving your videos. I think you may have sold me on this one! - Wow, one killer point at the end. the Mini is easier to connect to Ableton. Wow. What about Arturia KeyLab MkII 49 vs Arturia Keylab 49 Essential?
@alvarogamez56224 жыл бұрын
Hello Sanjay. Have you done any review on the Studiologic SL73? Any coment about it? Or about the brand?
@ST1210S5 жыл бұрын
Which keyboard is better Arturia Keylab 61 MKii or Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2? Can you do a video about this ?
@SanjayC5 жыл бұрын
The Keylab will give you more connectivity for synths and more knobs/faders. But I prefer the workflow on the S61 because I produce with software instruments (NKS compatible) more often.
@matthiasdoffek32823 ай бұрын
Hi, ich möchte gerne die Synth aus der Roland Cloud JV 1080 und XV 5080 mit meinem Keylab 88 Elements Live in der Band spielen. Kann man die Synth auch Stand Alone mit dem Aturia steuern, Sounds abspeichern und z.B. über die Pads direkt ansteuern? Immer über DAW (Reaper) und dann mit der Maus Sounds klicken finde ich Live sehr unpraktisch...das muss doch auch anders gehen,oder?