As HONEST as we know how to be... | The TRUTH & M. Russell Ballard

[@Ner-Waz]

Thanks!

[@Spawn303]

They are lying about lying. It makes me sick.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Yeah, it’s pretty horrible!

[@hbendzulla8213]

So true, they are lying about he lying. That happened from the early beginning and never stopped.

[@danielmoore4024]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON In what you've very quoted you refute yourself. When Ballard said "we now have to The Joseph Smith Papers" he confessed they did not know. So, I ask you this; How can the church leaders hide something they didn't know? "the beginning of time" You show your desperation taking that literally, Ballard was clearly talking about today's church leaders. You greatly lose credibility by narrowing your scope to unrealistic expectations about humans. You've pointed many faults in leaders out which involve memory, humans do forget things but we have you talking as if leaders can't forget things, an unrealistic expectation about humans. By you pulling fragments of church videos out and using them fragments on more than one video your memory failed you, you now have contradictory videos showing you're a deceitful liar yourself. One video you claim J. Holland said one thing then in a separate video you said that J. Holland didn't say it. This is why I don't have much trust in exmembers and members trying to do something against the church from within, you all contradict each other, you're all found manipulating information. The only anti-church material that has any respect from me is the CES Letter. Unlike you, Jeremy urges his readers to do their own research and not just take his word for it while here you are saying "just trust me and subscribe", you gaslighting. I've listened to an interview of Jeremy Runnels and his intentions were clearly about bringing more information to the table, not the intention to deceive readers by using fragments of information. If you're the knowledgeable member I assume you are you have clearly on numerous videos intentionally misinterpreted what you quoted, like here of Ballard knowing all the history when he had said they didn't know as they didn't have The Joseph Smith Papers.

[@truth.speaker]

"We're as transparent as we know how to be" No explanation needed

[@dreibel]

Yep, they're transparent - you can see right through them!

[@truth.speaker]

@@dreibel true 😁👍🏼

[@honder1866]

“Just trust us.” Yeah…no.

[@truth.speaker]

@@honder1866 have you heard that one of the biggest scams in modern history has recently been exposed. It was a return missionary called Trevor Milton. He stole billions from investors by lying about his car company. It's like a modern Joseph Smith

[@flyingspirit3549]

So, .... the leadership of The Church Formerly Known as Mormon does not know about consolidated financial statements?

[@sc766]

LOL. "Lie upon lie, here a little and there a little" .. this should be their new motto 😂

[@vanosaly4]

On my mission in 2015 it was the official instruction from the mission president that we were to ask everyone we talked to if they wanted to be baptized. We had to make goals, track, and, report how many people we ‘challenged’ daily. Several weeks we had a daily goal of 15 baptism challenges! Not a feeling on my part.

[@s_h4717]

Thank you Nemo! Your content is so helpful to me and my mental health. Well done.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I’m so glad!

[@cc-mk2hp]

"We are as honest we know how to be" You either are or you are not. I have personally seen the multiple versions of the first vision. I have seen many evidences of lies which l know that they know about. They indeed are liars. " Trust us" No , don't trust them. They have known since the beginning of Church. This comment "Since the beginning of time" He is so lost in his lies he is completely disoriented. 😜

[@markkrispin6944]

@@cc-mk2hp They will all burn in Hell.

[@TS-iv9ml]

​@@cc-mk2hpthey all are

[@thesc0tsm4n9]

it's kinda toxic and scary that they're saying to not research to fact check the church.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Yeah, it's not great!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

It is their modus operandi. Do not trust truth. Trust us. We will never lead you astray...Come on really????????

[@KerryBurnham-o8x]

During my mission in 1971 we memorized and delivered the six "discussions" word for word as written. The "baptismal challenge" was written in near the end of the first discussion. Even though the challenge was written into discussion #1, neither I nor any elder that I worked with brought up baptism that early in the process.

[@darrenclifford7892]

Well done. Thank you. I remember feeling relieved when they said Mormon was great. Then they turned it all around. Temple restored then gradually changed every few years.

[@sjpinson]

Wow! "Just trust us." Why would I trust a demonstrated liar? Well done in exposing these lies.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Exactly Sam! I said the same thing to my Stake President.

[@fordfairlane6580]

"Just trust us." Famous last words of liars.

[@inChristalone1960]

Thanks Nemo.😊 They still have my family.😢💔 Your channel is such an encouragement. Bless you.❤

[@waynewestern4658]

Elder Ballard was my bishop, Sunday school teacher, and Priest Quorum Advisor. He never mentioned anything about multiple accounts of the first vision, stated that all native people to the Americas were Laminates, that Joseph and Emma Smith marriage was a love story for the ages, and that Blacks were denied the priesthood because they were fence sitters in the pre-existence. I do believe he told me what he thought was true because that is what he had been taught. Elder Ballard should have stated we will always be honest when someone has the evidence to prove we that we lied instead of we are as honest as we know how to be.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

No way!!!! Thanks for sharing!

[@jimhalpert3428]

I was asked specifically by my mission president to invite people to be baptized on the first discussion. I did so once and only once in front of a member family and they were appalled. I felt like an idiot. PS the person said no and never talked to us again!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thanks for sharing this!

[@kyleepratt]

I was in the Massachusetts Boston mission from Jan 2007 -2009. President England told us specifically that we should invite people to be baptized at the end of the first lesson. To do otherwise was to be disobedient and to risk losing blessings. He also specifically told us that the spirit would never tell us to skip that invitation. If we thought or felt like we shouldn't ask, he said that wouldn't be the Holy Ghost. Dude taught that he, himself, could dictate the actions of the Holy Ghost because of his Priesthood authority over the missionaries and the mission.

[@aaronlund4250]

When I was in the mission field we were instructed to invite people to be baptized on their doorstep before teaching the first discussion. It was very awkward, but I was obedient because it’s what I was supposed to do. I don’t feel great about it now.

[@LibRoseITM]

Trustworthy people shouldn't need to say "trust me". They show that they are trustworthy through their actions. But he knows that the church's acrions have shown that they cannot be trusted. So they need to command that teust instead. It's disgusting.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Great point!

[@fordfairlane6580]

"Trust me." Famous last words of a liar.

[@desleyinnis9250]

How wonderful it would be if the brethren actually were "as transparent as they know how to be" where the expenditure of tithing funds is concerned. We would all still be in the dark regarding the hoarding of 100 plus billion dollars had a whistleblower not made the fact known. To honour those members who pay tithing, surely it rests on the shoulders of the brethren to be honest and transparent regarding the distribution of funds. Which funds contribute to a high salary and standard of living for each of them.

[@martinandersen9810]

Never once, and not at any time, has the church said it would tell you where every dollar goes. I pay tithing because it is a commandment and I receive blessings from doing so. The fact that we now have funds in the church needed to build a multitude of temples is just a great benefit. Now I, as a worthy temple goer, can participate in temple ordinances wherever I am in the world. Thank God for leaders who make this all possible.

[@hbendzulla8213]

@@martinandersen9810 Martin, if I may ask, how old are you. My E.S.P. says not even 40.?

[@martinandersen9810]

@@hbendzulla8213 Your ESP is a bit whacked. If you doubled your guess you would be closer to my age. But time and experience count for little unless you are also humble and willing to let God prevail in your life.

[@hbendzulla8213]

@@martinandersen9810 sorry, I could only judge age by the statement you made. I’m older than you.

[@martinandersen9810]

Oh how nice

[@ahashdahnagila6884]

Oh, oh! There's that snake in the grass [at around 10:35] AGAIN saying, "Just trust us." Every time Ballard says that, I KNOW he is hiding behind something unsavory. (In my life-experience, only grifters, scammers, and deceivers say such a thing!)

[@susanbergman9765]

They must know that they are deceiving or lying. I can't imagine that they are part of the upper hierarchy and are so old and have not been exposed to all the historical documentation on their church's misdeeds.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

They assuredly know!

[@Spawn303]

BH Roberts brought it to the forefront. They have known for sure 100% since the 1920s.

[@sgee-vc1hz]

Ballard's reply, "Where will you go, what will you do? Can I have your underpants??"

[@Marco-xu1ss]

They are gaslighting, which mixes truth with falsehoods, whilst appealing to emotion on the part of the gaslighter aka the Church to dig-in on denying wrongdoing.

[@huffpappy]

In order to be a higher-up leader in the church. one needs to be a master in the use gaslighting, and perform it with impunity and immodesty.

[@greatamerican4190]

“Trust us, we will not and cannot lead you astray” sounds a lot like “we are infallible”.

[@bonojennett]

Was it stated with some reference to not leading the members astray from the basic tenets of the "Gospel", like faith in Christ, repentance, baptism, enduring, etc.? Because I know they've diverted things like that before.

[@joetaylor8687]

That's EXACTLY what they're saying.

[@johnrowley310]

Put your trust in the arm of flesh, I mean the corporation...

[@peterpatrick620]

. . . thank you for your podcasts . . . insightful and refreshing . . .

[@ChrisFBartlett]

A lot to process here. The idea that the church can disavow any previous prophet because “God’s most important prophet is the living one” seems to throw into question every point of doctrine that has been “revealed”.

[@robinnetto6794]

Nemo I appreciate your calm matter of fact nature in presenting facts. I can not do what you do in going to church:0( I tried for a few years. My heart hurts over the leadership and the trust members have in what they are taught. I have to know in my heart they truly believe it is the “ One True Church” . I see a world of division , hurt and blame and I must put my energy into ways I can create love and acceptance around me. Not that you don’t. I spent 15 years leading programs to help people here in SLC and then in Ca. To wake up. Some did. Some left broken marriages or fixed them but now I am 71 and see those that lives are totally given by Mormonism can not leave.😢Love you Nemo.

[@lcheeky598]

Nemo I have commented several times before and you may remember I am not, nor have ever been an LDS member but I live in a very LDS community in Idaho USA and was married to a man whose entire family was and he was born into but rejected Mormonism (sorry don't mean to insult anyone) at a young age. He passed away from cancer at 30 so he is no longer with me. Also, I have family members that are LDS so I know quite a bit about the religion. My point is that I do go to a non-denominational Christian church and have a personal relationship with Christ. My "two cents" is that my pastor teaches right from the Holy Bible and tells us to check everything he teaches against scripture and if what he teaches doesn't line up, to run as fast as we can from him and the church. That seems to be the exact opposite of what your church leaders are telling its members. My heart breaks for LDS people who are being lied to and gaslighted. I know my opinion doesn't mean squat to anyone who is LDS, I just wanted to point out the difference in what my pastor says. Thanks for the great content. I do learn a lot about your history and beliefs

[@MJ-td3ij]

agree you and your pastor. I decided several years ago to test what these leaders say against scripture and every time I do they consistently come up woefully short. I want out of this deceitful church. My eyes can now see and my ears can now hear. I am getting to know the real Jesus.

[@lcheeky598]

@@MJ-td3ij I am so happy for you. It is all about a relationship, not a religion. God bless.

[@ELCAPATAZ]

Bro! You are spot on!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you!

[@johneasler9967]

Always great, truthful videos! Keep up the good work and keep TELLING THE TRUTH!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Much appreciated, i'll do my best

[@danielmoore4024]

John Easler, In what Nemo's quoted he refutes himself. When Ballard said "we now have the The Joseph Smith Papers" he confessed they did not know. So, I ask you this; How can the church leaders hide something they didn't know? "the beginning of time" You show your desperation taking that literally, Ballard was clearly talking about today's church leaders. You greatly lose credibility by narrowing your scope to unrealistic expectations about humans. You've all pointed many faults in leaders out which involve memory, humans do forget things but we have you talking as if leaders can't forget things, an unrealistic expectation about humans. By you all promoting pulling fragments of church videos out and using them fragments on more than one video your memory failed you, you now have contradictory videos showing you're deceitful liars yourselves for promoting your own lies. One video Nemo claimed J. Holland said one thing then in a separate video he said that J. Holland didn't say it. This is why I don't have much trust in exmembers and members trying to do something against the church from within, you all contradict each other, you're all found manipulating information. How do you validate Nemo's contradictory videos? The only anti-church material that has any respect from me is the CES Letter. Unlike you lot here, Jeremy urges his readers to do their own research and not just take his word for it while here you all are promoting Nemo saying "just trust me and subscribe", Nemo gaslighting. I've listened to an interview of Jeremy Runnels and his intentions were clearly about bringing more information to the table, not the intention to deceive readers by using fragments of information. If Nemo's the knowledgeable member I assume he is he has clearly on numerous videos intentionally misinterpreted what he quoted, like here of Ballard knowing all the history when he had said they didn't know as they didn't have The Joseph Smith Papers. How do you validate Nemo's manipulation of information to deceive you as well as members? This is what makes you all lose your credibility, the very fact you use lies and manipulation to get your point across.

[@ryanhollist3950]

When I was a missionary (1998) the second lesson was about baptism, and we were basically required to ask investigators to be baptized by the end of giving that lesson.

[@Cody-McDaniel]

Oh wow I cant believe he said that about inviting people to baptism on the first lesson. This was such a huge problem for me on the mission. I was against this, and I was reprimanded for not doing so through out my mission. Always getting into trouble on our weekly numbers because it was one of our key indicators, where we would report the number of first lessons and first contacts, and then report the number of invitations to baptism. If the numbers did not match we were called out for it.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Wow! That's crazy!

[@williamstilgoe61]

My mission was 1980-82 and I remember being challenged to do that and thought it was not a good idea.

[@kristopherbarker3282]

My Mission was the same way, and I feel like me & the Mission had different priorities. I wanted people to experience Christ even if they didn't join, while the Mission seemed to just care about Numbers (all new Missionaries were given this talk by someone from the Missionary Department that said "if you really care about people, you care about Numbers")

[@msemmahale4608]

While I did not fudge the weekly numbers, I know that other missionaries did. I wish I’d been WISE enough to do this. Let those obliviators back in SLC (or mission central) believe we are doing the numbers, and then just do what seems ethical with the people you teach/contact. It would have been a win-win. While I was out, I was on a mission to OBEY since that seems to be the cardinal rule in the Mormon church.

[@GeorgeMaj15]

Same. This first segment made me very angry.

[@rebeccabello3103]

They DID lead ME astray!! I joined the church in 1970. They convinced me that God deemed the blacks unworthy (ready?) for the priesthood. I joined despite the fact that I had a much beloved black stepfather and half black brother. I'm so ashamed!! Ultimately, I was responsible for my actions and should have known better. I fell for their love bombing. I can't imagine the heartache I caused my family only to find out today that it was the racist beliefs of the church. How could I have been so naive.

[@johnrowley310]

You mean you gave up your chance to become a god and have eternal sex on your new planet. What can I say...

[@rebeccabello3103]

@@johnrowley310 Oh God! I was only 18 but still, how was I ever that gullible?

[@Laguero]

The veneration, or disparagement, of the term "Mormon" depends solely on the particular taste of the leader of the Church. But no matter, because that nickname will never go away.

[@kyleepratt]

Absolutely. If nothing else, it is impractical to expect people to say "members of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" when they can communicate the same thing in 2 syllables. If you want Mormon to go away, Pres Nelson will at least have to change the official name of the church to something shorter. Or offer another nickname that's 5 syllables or less.

[@scottbrandon6244]

Missionaries used to invite investigators to join the church at lesson number three. I have the flip charts.

[@annaclark5196]

As I was watching this video I remembered that I ATTENDED THAT FACE TO FACE and where Ballard says there has been no attempt to hide anything from anybody, you can see when the camera pans over that I am TOTALLY NODDING MY HEAD TO THIS. OMG if only I could scream at my past self through the camera that the church isn't true!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Whoa!!! That’s crazy!

[@martinandersen9810]

But the church is true Anna. It is the best we have. That is why NEMO stays in it I believe. Me too. I love it.

[@annaclark5196]

@@martinandersen9810 I mean, I think its obvious that the church has a ton of problems and lies A LOT. How can something be true if it's both dishonest and harmful?

[@martinandersen9810]

@@annaclark5196 There is definitely much which goes on behind the scenes in the Church that you and I are not given access to, and I am appreciative that I am not brought in and consulted in every respect. I have so much to read and study as it is without being made a part of every decision. This year I have already read all of the Standard Works again at least once and studied many aspects of church history over and over, and I don't have time to nit pick on every consideration before the brethren. I am so appreciative that they are doing the best they can to keep us on track. I just want to know the mind and will of the Lord as to living the gospel which He has made available to the church to the best of my ability. Have you read both volumes of Saints yet? These are marvelous books, but they show me all kinds of warts on the members and on the leadership. That tells me these people have always been human, like me. We do the best we can with what we have. We go forward - not backward.

[@aloesecretinc]

These leaders are so dishonest it makes me sick. They openly lie to the flock, lead the flock astray, then tell them to not question the leaders.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

He actually got suck in getting that first lie out : you can tell he is fighting his minds knowledge of that . Anyone educated in body language can tell you from his mannerisms and speech if they are lying. It's subconscious ,no way to hide it.

[@jacobopstad5483]

"...apostles who know the history of the church..." They conveniently know everything about church history for this but then use plausible deniability when it suits them.

[@MrBillmechanic]

GOOD JOB, NEMO. KEEP UPYOUR GOO D WORK. WE NEED IT.

[@GoFergis1]

“Just trust us” as apostles who have traveled the world. Authority trumps all.

[@TroyLeavitt]

When I was a missionary in the late 80's, the early invitation to baptize was then used as a reminder to the investigators who accepted it that the other things they needed to do were also necessary to receive baptism. For example, if the investigator had some difficulty accepting the Word of Wisdom or Tithing, (which came in later discussions), we would remind them that they had already committed to baptism and these additional commitments were merely part of what they had *already* committed to do. I believe (but I would need to verify) that this method of using the early commitment to baptism (Discussion 1) as a way to ease/leverage the later commitments (discussions 5 and 6) was explicitly called out as useful tool in both the Missionary Guide and in the Discussions themselves.

[@apostatelizzy6836]

That’s fucking disgusting. It is SO manipulative. It’s called INFORMED consent for a reasion! You can’t get someone’s consent for something, before they know what they’re consenting to, and then when they learn the details and have problems with it, use the fact they have already consented against them!!! And they think they are the epitome or morality?!?! 🤦‍♀️🤬

[@parkerplace2910]

@@apostatelizzy6836 I also served in the 80s (84-86). In addition to getting an investigator to commit early on to baptism, it was often times a whole family. Page 8 from my missionary handbook, (we called it the white Bible)...."You have been called to teach all people but you have a specific responsibility to seek out families. The family is the eternal unit in the gospel. When an entire family is taught, they are able to fellowship and strengthen each other."

[@sheliabryant3997]

Truly despicable.

[@ResilientWon]

I am so very, very thankful I wasn't raised in The Church.

[@chrissessions6108]

This one was a banger. Much love to you, Nemo, from Salt Lake City, home of many an ex-mo.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Cheers Chris! Are you coming to the THRIVE event in Provo? I am speaking there :)

[@chrissessions6108]

Wicked. I might need to attend now.

[@donnyhelvey]

Loren Dunn came to my mission (1983-84) and told us to commit non members to baptism on the initial tracking door approach. Going to have to get my journal out and find that meeting. It was awful doing that to people. The shocked look on their faces was horrible.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I've seen that look, it's not a good one!

[@bradleyvaughn1605]

I met 1000 people on my mission and never asked anyone to be baptized. I think that I had a successful mission.

[@blarsen8]

Integrity does not equal loyalty... It means doing the right thing, even if it's hard.

[@rstevenhanson]

This one video alone should be enough for anyone to seriously consider the veracity of the church. And this is only the tip of the tippy top tip of the iceberg. At the end of the day, what people feel to be true, and what they want to be true will trump what is actually and factually true. Great job, Nemo!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you! You make a good point, often it can be difficult to overcome our emotional attachments to a certain narrative!

[@matthewbrown3722]

The veracity of the church does not hinge on the integrity of the apostles. It never has. Only those who have not the Holy ghost rely on the arm of flesh. The gospel of Jesus Christ is what is needed for the Church to be true. Even in his ministry, Christ called Judas Iscariot, fully knowing what role he would play. However, the church Christ established was and is true, independent of the integrity of the apostles. Much of what was restored by Joseph Smith has been altered or misrepresented. That is what Nemo is illuminating with these videos. The real question is, how far back in the history of the Church, did this begin. In fact, the very 'history of the Church' is suspect. As Nemo has demonstrated with his videos. We can only discern through all of this with the promised comforter. The Holy Ghost. I applaud Nemo for bringing these subjects to light.

[@rstevenhanson]

@@matthewbrown3722 The comforter is not a dependable bearer of truth. Or the truth doesn't matter to God. It's gotta be one of these for the church to make any sense to me.

[@matthewbrown3722]

@@rstevenhanson You are aware that, what you've stated, contradicts Jesus Christ's promise to his disciples as recorded in the new testament of the Bible. The Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost or comforter is the only way to know the truth of all things. Including the veracity of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints.

[@rstevenhanson]

@@matthewbrown3722 Fully aware. I've also contradicted Rowling, Tolkien, Lucas, and other popular authors of fiction.

[@touretteslife]

Oh I was definitely told to invite people to be baptized quickly, even on the first lesson. Served in the UK in 2005

[@reedolson9308]

They’re liars. Thanks for documenting this Nemo.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

You're very welcome!

[@suzannedehaven6775]

No they are not

[@TS-iv9ml]

​@suzannedehaven6775 just memory, facts, and number challenged 😂 when you live in a glasshouse surrounded by wind annointed egos, you can think and say anything you want and believe the masses accept it. Hard to get oxygen to any brain cells when you live with your head in the sand

[@suzannedehaven6775]

@@TS-iv9ml is that how you live?

[@TS-iv9ml]

@@suzannedehaven6775 no sand here

[@A331FN]

I served in Alberta, Canada in 1971-73. The program of the mission was to challenge for baptism at the doorstep. I was a somewhat contrarian district leader and we made a tongue-in-cheek Super 8 video of two Elders carrying a big corrugated tub full of water up to the doorstep, ringing the doorbell, and using “the master’s way” script on the cooperating member. We later showed this clandestinely at a zone conference. There was widespread concern by those there about the practice-the missionaries, except for the AP’s, were largely opposed to the door approach. All for numbers.

[@JaguarKnight110]

So I’m more of a secular member like you and yeah I like how you are trying to hold the leadership accountable.. keep up the good work

[@ZelphBallard-bg9mt]

exactly what I was taught when on my mission

[@steveambrose2349]

May I add too…Ballard was a career car salesman. Good car salesmen exempted of course. Need I say more?

[@GoFergis1]

I served from 1990-1992. I still have my 6 Dissions booklets. Lesson 2 specifically states to invite the investigators to be baptized! It’s there in black and white

[@denisethrondsen3399]

You have some really good points. I don’t trust any of them. What’s next? We change The Book of Mormon to The Book of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? That’s a mouthful.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It would be a mouthful, but then they would just tell us we should put christ's name "back" into the book!

[@honder1866]

As regards the 1970 James B. Allen article from the Improvement Era, the article itself has been hidden. Zero Improvement Era articles are available on the church’s website.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Great point, I can find works referencing it but not the article itself!

[@MichaelWalmsleyJr]

Come on NEMO give this guy a break. Everyone knows you shouldn't take the words of a top car salesman literally... even if they are an apostle. As an professional engineer I've learned from experience that honesty and integrity seem to mean very different things in different professions...

[@trusty1rusty]

Under Bruce McConkie in Australia, [1963] it was part of the missionary lessons to do so during the first discussion . . .

[@ahashdahnagila6884]

@Russ Turner I remember that, in the 1960s, too: here in the U.S.

[@kyleepratt]

Did you know an Edward England? McConkie was his mission president too, and he told us to always ask at the end of the first lesson (he was my mission president 2007-2009, Boston).

[@Charalldredge]

I can say, good liars ( or perceived good liars) always start believing their own lies. I don’t ever expect any of these “leaders” to ever come clean and admit the entire truth. If they had I would have had the entire historical truth and would have never converted.

[@Richard_Rz]

Shifting baptism blame theory: Because a false convert who leaves is not faith promoting and takes the wind out of their sails when they leave and give factual reason as to why. If the missionaries believe the investigator is highly committed (otherwise known as someone with low access to information) they are empowered to wait to test commitment? How is following the profit still a thing? SMH. So many wonderful people being led off a cliff.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

interesting theory, thanks!

[@wanderingwyoming5030]

Served in Charlotte NC 1989-91, this infuriates me. We were pushed by all levels of church leadership to commit to baptism in the first discussion. Now they are trying to place that on the missionaries? Being raised in the LDS church, integrity was a key value. Where is their itegrity?

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Hear hear!!!

[@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565]

The church spoke of the various versions in an article in the Liahona in 1970, wow, super transparent. Am I going to have to start reading the entire church library of all times to hunt for the truths? This is ridiculous. Comment to several members about a man putting his face in a hat to translate, many will laugh, then say it was Joseph Smith, they won't believe it.

[@donnyhelvey]

Notice he said a professor and not a prophet or an apostle. They never tell what’s really going on, just the “anti’s” and the apologists.

[@markjensen8456]

To one of the most obvious examples of fallibility is when Brigham Young taught that Adam was God and then Spencer Kimball said this was false doctrine. How can a prophet teach false doctrine if they are infallible? Bruce McConkie went so far as to say that if we follow the prophet Brigham Young on this issue, we are damning ourselves. But no, prophets can never lead us astray!

[@martinandersen9810]

It is all a matter of perspective and understanding the topic.

[@MJ-td3ij]

The scriptures still teach that Adam is a god. Read Abraham 4:1. It says the Gods went down and formed the earth. In the temple that was Jehovah and Michael (who is Adam) that went down and formed the earth. So Adam was a god. Joseph Smith said so (he produced the book of Abraham). And Brigham was just following scripture. To this day these fools at the head of the church don’t even realize that.

[@jeffharrington7525]

I did my mission in 1978-80 and even then our mission handbook encouraged us to ask people that "if they were to come to know the church is true, would you be baptized "? We would often add the caveat that we know they may not know now, but when the come to know it is true would they? Anything to get that yes. I don't remember what that little white hanbook said on the subject. This was the mission handbook (big black binder) we were given for our particular mission.

[@ruleten9575]

I converted myself. I'm glad the missionaries asked me to be baptized soon.

[@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565]

An apostle said that the missionaries who baptized you were wrong, so you weren't supposed to be baptized.

[@danielmoore4024]

@@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565 In what Nemo's quoted he refutes himself. When Ballard said "we now have to The Joseph Smith Papers" he confessed they did not know. So, I ask you this; How can the church leaders hide something they didn't know? "the beginning of time" You show your desperation taking that literally, Ballard was clearly talking about today's church leaders. You greatly lose credibility by narrowing your scope to unrealistic expectations about humans. You've all pointed many faults in leaders out which involve memory, humans do forget things but we have you talking as if leaders can't forget things, an unrealistic expectation about humans. By you all promoting pulling fragments of church videos out and using them fragments on more than one video your memory failed you, you now have contradictory videos showing you're deceitful liars yourselves for promoting your own lies. One video Nemo claimed J. Holland said one thing then in a separate video he said that J. Holland didn't say it. This is why I don't have much trust in exmembers and members trying to do something against the church from within, you all contradict each other, you're all found manipulating information. How do you validate Nemo's contradictory videos? The only anti-church material that has any respect from me is the CES Letter. Unlike you lot here, Jeremy urges his readers to do their own research and not just take his word for it while here you all are promoting Nemo saying "just trust me and subscribe", Nemo gaslighting. I've listened to an interview of Jeremy Runnels and his intentions were clearly about bringing more information to the table, not the intention to deceive readers by using fragments of information. If Nemo's the knowledgeable member I assume he is he has clearly on numerous videos intentionally misinterpreted what he quoted, like here of Ballard knowing all the history when he had said they didn't know as they didn't have The Joseph Smith Papers. How do you validate Nemo's manipulation of information to deceive you as well as members? This is what makes you all lose your credibility, the very fact you use lies and manipulation to get your point across.

[@titabutoauru-qm7ev]

Keep down the bad things and always expose the truth

[@wendellsurpr4987]

This church is so comfortable lying,that it is normal now.

[@runalongnowhoney]

"Just trust us"

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It’s a no from me!

[@blmdadventures6007]

“Just trust us.”

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Yeah, no thanks!

[@jy285]

Excellent content, Nemo!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you kindly!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Got a good one for you! I had been inactive for at least four to five years. Met a lovely Senior Elder couple and decided ok maybe I'll try it again.... First Sunday the bishop asked me if I were interested in being baptized. Um no did that in this church over 20 years ago. They don't listen...unless it's the sound of the wind in their heads.....

[@kathleenwharton2139]

We are ALL Sinners Saved by Grace! None of this really matters! If everyone follows their own conscience..they will learn..one way or another! My conscience told me to stay away from the church but I was born and programed Mormon. It was a challenge to learn to follow my own conscience but I am finally learning!

[@yorgasor]

One of my favorite lies is when Hinckley said in an interview, when asked why the church isn't transparent about their finances, that the church thinks that information should only be shared with those that made the donations, not the whole world. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHjOpYuMaJlpfZo&ab_channel=BomoNomo Also, when the church says they "disavow" all the previous "theories" about black people and the priesthood, to disavow something means that they take no responsibility for it. They're not saying the theories taught by prophets and apostles for 130+ years as doctrine were wrong, they're saying they just refused to be held responsible for what was said. So, if you're ever called in for a disciplinary hearing or have a bishop's interview, just disavow all the things you did that were wrong, and that should be good.

[@almasomerville1070]

Consistently great points. Amazing

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you kindly Alma!

[@ezrawest6043]

Your video made me let out an inappropriate guffaw. You're hilarious 😂 Really enjoy how you let them have it with evidence. 👍

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I appreciate that! Cheers!

[@AJ-et3vf]

Ughhh, the lying is so utterly repulsive. Thanks for these content!

[@marleymae6746]

Inoculating the young folks…shame on them. Love their lies are being exposed.

[@lucasyates1893]

"Hide" means the apostles haven't spoken about it to the church. So much is hidden.

[@amandalunt4325]

The clip with Ballard and Oaks pisses me off so bad. I am so angry at them!!!

[@bonegrubber]

I was taught at every district meeting, zone conference and even when an apostle came and spoke to us... I think his name was Russel M something that we were to be bold and follow the spirit and Invite everyone to be baptized at first contact. Of course it was emphasized to teach them the basics but it was BAPTIZE BAPTIZE BAPTIZE. By the way if anyone wants to fact check me... I attended a mission wide meeting October 19th, 1998 and took copious notes. I was all sorts of hot and heavy over the fact that Elder Nelson came in Argentina Rosario Mission

[@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565]

Russell M. Nelson is the current president/CEO of the mormon corporation

[@jeffreyelliottcruz8095]

Hey Captain Nemo, listen, I served a faithful mission in the 70s and their were some books out re getting the investigator to commit early. My mission president Norman Olsen was against an approach which did not include education and sustainable commitment. When I returned home , my roommate Randy had served under M Russell Ballard and knew him very well. ( Randy said, correctly, he believed one day Ballard would be a general authority. This was in the early 70s) More to the point, Randy often indicated his mission president which was M Russell Ballard was against rushing in with lightening quick baptisms ( which was a popular approach by some at the time) Thus, Ballard was antithetical to such an approach and according to Randy who served under Ballard, the approach was adopted as long term commitments, education and local church community and support. Randy's Ballard lead missionary approach was two pronged holistic approach, a spiritual and social or community fellowship. A long term and honest commitment to baptism and conversion which included integration and fellowship into the ward and stake community. This approach clearly from your quote was carried over as a mission president to his apostolic ecclesiastical calling. This is what I know and what I can tell you.

[@amazonwater7778]

Check backgrounds and more for all leaders and check and more transparency on the temples. Truth we are in times of truth the Mormon church in the last days.

[@kenny-gee]

Blame everyone else . Then They are never wrong. Hence why they can never lead us astray

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Ah, I see, I consider myself corrected! Hahaha!

[@carlhawks2915]

I am certain they will want to share Joseph's story about God sending an angel with a flaming sword threatening to kill Joseph unless he engaged in polygamy, which apparently included marrying underage girls and other men's wives secretly, while lying about it publicly in the church's official paper.

[@kimberlysmith3874]

If you publish something in 1970 in one article but teach only the one vision ever since that is still hiding it. Especially if they emphasize current teaching over past teachings. Is that article on the website? How many people have had any access to it?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It’s not on LDS.org, it’s on Internet Archive

[@ResilientWon]

One door always tells the truth, the other always lies.

[@tupalabraesverdad3998]

What happen to the latest video about england rescue? I was listening this morning and suddenly disappeared, that video is no any longer available? Tell me Nemo what happen?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

The church lawyers contacted me and told me to take them down!

[@MJ-td3ij]

BS… You aren’t serious

[@tupalabraesverdad3998]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON thanks Nemo I live in SL an people here are finding the scam and chapels are emptier not just in England but here in the mecca of Mormondome, God bless you and keep up the good work!

[@Mommadragon1976]

It makes me sad and angry to see the people in the audience laughing and smiling while they sit up there and lie and gaslight those who have pointed out their lies and hiding of the truth. It really hurts my feelings and motivates me to want to expose them.

[@aloesecretinc]

Nelson has lead the flock astray.

[@brentwooden7995]

Just trust us!

[@scottbrandon6244]

At 4:11 re. Church hiding something. How come we only in recent years found out about Joseph Smith using a top hat to translate the Book of Moron? That was not taught to members in previous decades. And for the record, there are eight versions of the first vision, only the first two were published by the church during Joseph Smith's lifetime. In the first version, only God appears to JS. Jesus appears in the second version.

[@bradleyvaughn1605]

In my Mission 1980 President Spencer W. Kimball said that all seven discussions should be taught before baptism.

[@kyleepratt]

Before baptism or before inviting to be baptized? My 2007 mission we were told to invite at the first lesson, but the baptism couldn't happen until all the lessons were taught.

[@scottbrandon6244]

Transparent at 4:45? What about changes to the temple ceremonies without any warning to members? What about avoiding the subject of plural marriage and the priesthood ban at all costs?

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Let us not forget.....

[@hankleigh9356]

I just can't believe that Nemo is still a member!! Like, how has the Church not excommunicated him yet?? Haha.

[@hankleigh9356]

Bytheway, keep up the great work Nemo!! You are fantastic!!

[@RJ-lh1pv]

From the 1986 Missionary Discussions, which were in use until Preach My Gospel was introduced. 1st Discussion Pg 20 You can be baptized As the Lord answers your prayers and you feel that this message is true, we hope you will want to follow Christ by being baptized. Invite: As prompted by the Spirit, you could now invite the investigators to be baptized. (See the “Invitation to Be Baptized” in the instruction booklet.) Pg 22 Baptism Whenever the Spirit prompts you that the investigators are ready, invite them to commit themselves to be baptized. This commitment should be made as early as possible. As appropriate, use the “Invitation to Be Baptized” in the instruction booklet.

[@RJ-lh1pv]

The invitation to be baptized was the expectation, from direct instruction of the Mission President on down. *Not* inviting someone to be baptized was the exception, only to be done in extreme circumstances.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Exactly, thanks for sharing!

[@princessfartsparkles6681]

On the subject of leading members astray, there's also the teachings on previous probations from Joseph Smith, the Adam-God theory, which was taught as doctrine not just as a theory, from Brigham Young, and people on the moon and sun purportedly from Joseph Smith and carried on by Brigham Young. And that's just a small sample.

[@ThomasJDavis]

_"Just trust us"_ is the last ditch attempt of a liar who is out of excuses to hold on to his authority, public respect and influence.

[@desleyinnis9250]

Bringham Young taught that Adam was God. He didnt present it as a "theory" but as a doctrine which he also incorporated into the temple ceremony. Of course the teaching has been disavowed, but it does show that prophets "from the beginning of time" are in fact capable of leading people astray by preaching false doctrines, which does in fact counteract Ballard's statement that they can't and won't lead people astray.

[@scottbrandon6244]

Three other prophets also taught the Adam-God doctrine. Yet I have talked to church leaders who have no idea what it is.

[@isaacconder9901]

The whole Mormon nickname argument is a little weird. My reason being is that people are unfamiliar with our church by it’s real name so they are expressing themselves in ways that those not of the faith will understand.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I agree, I think to stop using the nickname mormon would be to loose some hard won community recognition!

[@msemmahale4608]

It was explicitly taught to missionaries to “commit” investigators to baptism within the first 3 discussions.

[@pauletteforeman2194]

They’re just doing their job which is lying for the Lord. They pretty much covenant to do this when they go through the second anointing. None of them care about the consequences of lies, nor do they care about the people they are lying to. They honestly think it’s what the Lord wants and expects of them. I’m sure they believe the Lord will just sort it all out some day because they believe they are keeping their covenants, and the rest of us are required to have blind faith and not complain. Good thing we know better than to listen to cult leaders who are just going to cult-lead. They are just as trapped as the people who follow them, and it’s all in their minds….

[@marcusharrison6700]

It’s not just difficulties with sustaining, there are other reasons why they wouldn’t let Nemo in a Temple.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Such as?