Asexual Person Covers Ace Rep In The Helluverse

[@Sfwyasmin]

I love how you put ace from one piece in the thumbnail.

[@alastry]

As somebody who is also asexual, I find the lack of positive ace representation in media to be quite frustrating. Asexual characters are often depicted as lacking empathy or having an inflated sense of ego, which just seems like targeted stereotyping. A character's personality or how they view themselves in comparison to others shouldn't determine their sexuality.

[@zealousamourous]

This is a bit off topic but I notice a lot of Autistic characters also have little empathy. Like sure, some Autistic people do struggle with having too little empathy, but then you have the other side that's Too Empathetic and I hardly see that in that in such characters.

[@fishbowlheretic]

check out todd from bojack horseman. amazing ace rep. (and a lot of good and interesting explorations of asexuality and other ace spec people along the way.)

[@fishbowlheretic]

@@zealousamourous newt scamander is amazing autism representation. though he's not canonically confirmed as autistic, his actor has said he believes the character is on the autism spectrum. newt is definitely on the "too empathetic" side. he feels *so* much.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

Yeah as someone who is also asexual and doesn’t drink alcohol I see a lot of similarities between the way people view asexuals and the way people view non-drinkers, that is that both probably have a holier than thou attitude because they’ve given up something most people view to be quite pleasurable but also impure or immoral. It doesn’t seem to occur to them that people might simply be unmotivated or repulsed by sex, or think alcohol tastes nasty, so they assume that we’ve done so because we view the activities as sinful and by extension people who do those things as sinful.

[@dragonempress8367]

Enter steven and peridot: they both feel like empathetic autistic representation. Least, I hope they're autistic.

[@barklols]

Ngl I think the main reason Octavia is asexual is because she’s a minor and Vivzie more than likely doesn’t want people to sexualize her. At the same time, it’s totally fine that she’s ace, but like you said, there isn’t a whole lot of material of her to work with to really dig deeper into that part of her character.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

I think it’s more likely Viv doesn’t have any real plans to develop her character beyond whatever is relevant for Stolas so she made her asexual so she doesn’t have to go through the trouble of thinking up a SO for her while she can claim to have more representation. Asexual characters are convenient that way, unless you’re talking romantic asexuals who can still want and have romantic partners.

[@barklols]

@Gamerbvies at least Alastor is an adult?? Like yea it’s kinda crummy that people make NSFW art of him even tho he’s asexual, but that’s kinda how the internet is. It’s also to note that not all asexual people are sex repulsed and do engage with other people that way, their relationship to sex is just different than others.

[@barklols]

@Gamerbvies no absolutely it’s terrible for sure 😭 I wish people weren’t weird

[@Memberinq]

*breaths* she's now 18

[@terraburrell3843]

To me it feels like an after thought along with Mammon, I'm not ace myself or have anything against the LGBT but what you said makes sense. As due to Octavia not having a character and is there as a prop for Stolas to say he's a "good dad" I still see her as straight cause she's nothing but a prop that exists for Stolas. Mammon too cause he was introduced in the show and we don't know much more about him.

[@kawaiicrossing5047]

I wish people would just realize that love and s*x isn't a package deal.

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

Same. I also wish people wouldn't confuse attraction for love. And as a result, sometimes assume ace people aren't capable of love, which is such a frustrating notion.

[@Not_Angel_lol2]

Fr like- that doesn't represent a person, the love for someone is what actually matters...

[@serenepastel]

Evil vampire simping would be the wildest stereotype to possibly pull out of a piece of media. Or I should probably say the most bizarre

[@reflection6401]

We also have Issac from castlvania. I think there’s an agenda afoot

[@shawerful5209]

Jjba fandom: are you challenging me?

[@r3nnn._]

alastor just swiftly and immediately shutting down angel dust's sexual comments was great tbh

[@themilkcarton2527]

6:44. Yes! Remember how the fandom made Millie bi, even though there were no implications? Then the pride picture came out and people were so upset and confused. There was never a single hint Millie was bi. Her being a little gossipy about Verosika doesn't equal an interest in women.

[@zealousamourous]

Lol exactly, women gossip all the time. I would know, I am one XD.

[@8onnie8oyz]

They were going off of her line in episode 3, where she says she wants to know what sex is like with Verosika. Same with Moxxie and Michael Crawford.

[@fishbowlheretic]

i like that millie is straight because then she doesn't fall into the trappings of the way a lot of monosexual people view bisexual people. no biphobia from our queen!!

[@alexisdied4558]

there was one small thing when she wanted to know what sex with versokia was like in episode 3 but thats literally about it

[@8onnie8oyz]

@fishbowlheretic it's like how a lot of straight people either view bisexuality as gay or being more likely to cheat. That doesn't apply to everyone, though, just a biphobic minority.

[@8onnie8oyz]

Some Aro rep would be great. I heard that Vivziepop avoids it because shippers don't want Alastor to be AroAce. Vivziepop is a shipper, so I don't think she'll want an aromantic character.

[@pepsislushy9255]

Even if we had aromantic characters, that wouldn't stop people from shipping them

[@Tonithealtwing]

Idc about Hazbin at all, but that’s such a BS reason to not write aro characters. First of all, you can be aromantic and allosexual. I am one of those people! Not all aromantic people are asexual. Secondly, just… create a character that you don’t ship with anybody else??? I don’t think I would trust Viv with aroallos though. We would be portrayed as people who don’t care about other people’s emotions at all and just want to bang 💀

[@Ebh55.]

@@Tonithealtwing You don't know that.

[@Tonithealtwing]

@@Ebh55. Considering most people view aroallos as sex fiends, I doubt Vivzie would write one that isn’t considering she can’t even write her gay and pan male characters without oversexualizing them.

[@pandemicprojections7169]

I'm a shipper too but I am also ace. I love romance and platonic relationships the same. QPR(Queer Platonic Relationships) are very nice and Ive even read a story about one. It was an irl story. I would say its not her shipper aspect but how she seems to be heavy in disney and musical styles. Styles that heavily glorify romance and love.

[@odothedoll2738]

I do have an aroace OC named Timothy Boyle who’s a villain but it’s not because he’s aroace it’s because he gazes too long into the lovecraftian horrors and loses his mind. The reason he even finds the lovecraftian horrors in the first place is because he’s convinced his parents who “died” are in another dimension. Part of the reason I made him aroace in the first place is to push the idea that dating relationships aren’t more important than family or friends like is often pushed in the media.

[@laurav5767]

Wow, He Sounds pretty cool!

[@risforrandomandrandomisme762]

-good moral -lovecraftian horror -great representation 10/10 and 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@sonecznikwyborowy6760]

Great idea! I would definitely read about him

[@SodaFrizz666]

Id love to read a story about that guy!! You got some potential dude-io

[@Lemonpanda64]

I have a aroace oc who would was a villain but got redeemed and his name is roadkill and he is a large fluffy scary looking brown cat

[@risforrandomandrandomisme762]

The fact that the 3 only asexual characters in this verse are: -the girl that is barely a character -generic bad guy that is also an a###ole -edgy mf.

[@my.melody.gamingg]

Alastor is also a generic bad guy that is also an asshole lmao

[@H0PEisaL1E]

The show has 3 asexual characters, one of them is in the main cast and the other two are also memorable. Just because it's not perfect and not the exact rep you want, doesn't mean it's bad. You have the right to criticize, of course, but you're like a kid who received free candy and complains that it's not their favorite flavor.

[@risforrandomandrandomisme762]

@@H0PEisaL1E no, is like if they give you literal s###, every single one of this characters is poorly written, they are not memorable, mammon is a generic "oh im the bad guy" dude, octavia is just your generic "im depressed" girl, and alastor is the walking stereotype of the overlord trope, it doesn't need to be perfect, but it should be straight up trash.

[@my.melody.gamingg]

@@risforrandomandrandomisme762 alastor is also the oh im the evil guy kind

[@H0PEisaL1E]

@@risforrandomandrandomisme762 I don't think it's trash. If you feel that way, it's perfectly fine but that doesn't make it the objective truth. I think Hazbin/Helluva is disproportionately criticized. It feels like all you can do is complain about the smallest shit. Don't like, don't watch. There's no need to endlessly dunk on the show like it committed a warcrime.

[@ghostslayer1981]

Alastor being shipped is fine. TADC said it best: you can't stop the shipping wars or the various art that gets made. However, in the show, what's important is that you treat your characters with respect. Angels constant flirting with Alastor being laughed at (and ignored by the people who outcry at Asexual fantasization) and yet the innocent (if they manage to be) ships being slanderized by the internet is a key sign

[@MaxusTheG-Dude9112]

The Portgas D Ace Cameo in the thumbnail in a ACE Rep Video is Pure Brilliant

[@imgalxe]

@@MaxusTheG-Dude9112 GET IT BC ASEXUAL ACE SEXUAL HAHAHHA IM SO FUNNY

[@laurav5767]

​@@imgalxeindeed you are😂

[@kuromiloquendo]

Man I'm so slow that I didn't even get the joke when I saw the thumbnail XD I was like "since when is Ace an ace?" It was only after I read this comment that I realized IT'S A PUN ON HIS NAME HAHAHAHAHA 🥲🥲

[@axolotlfairy2473]

I got this randomly in my recommended and as someone who basically views hellaverse as the embodiment of wasted potential and ALSO loves one piece, ESPECIALLY corazon, and a jojo fan you've immediately earned a subscribe from me

[@imgalxe]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT ITS MY OTHER HALF

[@axolotlfairy2473]

@@imgalxe I WATCHED SOME OF YOUR OTHER VIDS YOU LIKE PERSONA TOO????? YOU'VE GOT SOME INSANE TASTE AND IF YOU OPENED A SERVER I WOULD IMMEDIATELY JOIN IT

[@imgalxe]

@@axolotlfairy2473 I HAVE ONE discord.gg/gDWrRm72 Just not gonna be too active in there for a few days bc im still tryna recover from my surgery

[@Jdudec367]

speaking of Corazon.....I actually finished the flashback episodes with him earlier too

[@imgalxe]

@@Jdudec367I’m not on that arc yet but I’ve seen some of the flashbacks on Yt. I kinda regret watching em I wish I had waited so I could react to them like blindly but damn they were sad. I almost teared up when Cora cries for Law while he’s asleep

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

With Alastair he had originally been conceived as a heterosexual character with a girlfriend who would have been just as evil and powerful as him. So I think this question was by someone who knew that and was trying to prove for whether Viv had any plans of reviving Alastair’s love interest in some form. I do find the “he doesn’t have a lover because he loves himself too much” attitude to be problematic. Probably because that was my mom’s attitude when I came out as aromantic asexual, like of course yes you’re not going to have a boyfriend you’re too selfish to give anything up for a relationship. Honestly when the Angel Dust hitting on Alastair scene happened I didn’t necessarily read it as him being ace, he could also be straight and have the same reaction of “eew no” to being hit on by a gay man.

[@hubertberrum6242]

I think that girl could've be Mimzy from what old art of them showed

[@TabbyAbby]

At least you got SpongeBob, he’s the most iconic Ace character ✌️

[@azulathesunmoonsimp8939]

We stan that little yellow square of autism

[@hubertberrum6242]

to be fair, it's really hard to picture a sea sponge Doing the Hot Stuff, tho I do heard that in real life they can reproduce without any mating

[@Elkensemble]

@@hubertberrum6242Sadly the internet more than makes up for that lack of picturing

[@hubertberrum6242]

@@Elkensemble I see

[@alkaline8681]

When Stephen hillingburg was making the show, he said in an interview that SpongeBob was not interested in romance. It clearly showed throughout the 1 season that SpongeBob loved being around his friends and having fun. Not once did it showed him having romantic feelings towards any of the characters in the show. The interview came out after season 1 btw.

[@VoxiconVoxicola]

Youre the ACE of hellaverse discussions😂😂😂😂😂😂 Alright, I'll see myself out after that one

[@lemonaidd.]

LMFAOOO

[@Oranges2124]

You should lmao

[@I_simp_for_shadow]

LMAO

[@bozopatrol]

Get out now you gotta go

[@mooniera2810]

Honestly, Alastor was my Asexual Awakening because I NEVER found the idea of real-life sex, and recently KISSING, appealing.

[@maplebeingsneaky4052]

THIS!! how can kissing be appealing to ANYONE???? like get your filthy mouth off of my filthier mouth

[@imgalxe]

So real

[@Li.me.y]

Not ace but I also don't find the sex in real life and also fiction, kissing in fiction is fine but in real life, "never going 2 𝕙𝕒𝕡𝕡𝕖𝕟"

[@imgalxe]

Hey just wanna let yall know that 5:25 my voice sounds weird . It’s just because I had to re-record that line and I did it after my surgery so that’s why my voice sounds weird

[@Mumumon]

6:47 Idk this part rubbed ms the wrong way as an AroSpec person, we can still be in relationships yknow. Not all Ace people are sex repulsed and not all Aro people are romance repulsed

[@SydiaDreaming]

Well said

[@DIVINE_WEAP0N]

Real. I left a big comment about this myself. I think it’s just OP being misinformed like I used to be too

[@Hazzer-z2q]

@Mumumon As an ace person, I'm kind of done with people perpetually trying to widen the label for people who don't need it. Why do you say you're gay? Because you only want to be with people of the same sex. Why do you say you're straight? Because you want to be with people of the opposite sex. Bi? Etc etc Yes, ace should mean that you are somewhat sex repulsed or that you atleast want minimal sex, and aro should mean you want minimal to no romance. Yea, I get it can be somewhat of a spectrum, but people have expanded it too far and it just confuses everyone. Now the label doesn't clearly indicate what we want to a potential partner, and it's already hard enough dating ace/aro/aroace as it is. TLDR I ain't dealing with "Asexual sluts" no more

[@SydiaDreaming]

@@Hazzer-z2q Asexual slut? Wtf. What are you talking about? A "demisexual" like me is pretty clear: I have no interest in sex. But if i fall in love, things can change. Falling in love is not so common. And so I'm ace too. Other sex repulsed called me slut in the past, because I fuck3d 2 people I loved dearly in my 35 years of life. Now I could become mean too. I could start to insinuate that "sex repulsed" are just "sex repressed" or traumatized people, not a sexuality. Wtf, if a gay man has 2 straight sexual encounters in his life for whatever reason, yet he want and search for a same-sex, he's still 100% gay. Not bi. Stop judjing others for god sake

[@Tonithealtwing]

While I do agree - I am an aro person in a relationship - I think that way too much aro/aspec fandom content immediately devolves into “oh well ace/aro people CAN like these things so it’s okay for me to basically erase their sexuality/romantic identity in my fan content”. It’s nuanced but I think defaulting to assume that all aro people are romance positive and ace people are sex positive is just as bad as vice versa. We need good rep for both and fandom creators need to learn that an aro character can exist without you needing to ship them

[@howlerbrine]

MAMMON IS ASEXUAL??? I genuinely did not know that, it's almost like the only time some ones asexuality is brought up in the hellverse is when someone is making a sexual advance towards them manufactured to make them uncomfortable!!! I do like the ace in the hole joke Rosie makes about alastor, and I would have preferred that to be his sort of reveal of being asexual instead of angel dust being 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 with him? It was more wholesome and silly and showed their dynamic well without bringing away attention from the matter at hand to focus on his asexuality for no reason. The fact that the two most narcissistic characters are asexual can be worrying but at least Octavia is there it balance it out some what? I do like the acknowledgement that Asexual people aren't automatically aromantic and visa versa but it would be nice to see a asexual character in a relationship? Since no one wants Mammon's stanky ass, Octavia's whole deal is about being lonely and ignored and god only knows what's happening with alastor it does kind of (probably unintentionally but none the less) feed into the idea that asexuals are just lonely and loveless in every way. Being asexual myself I've put a lot of thought into my asexual and/or aromantic characters, even if it doesn't get brought up directly in the story the casual life of an asexual character can really mean a lot to an audience member. It's about the little things too, not just the big picture. It's not the worst ace rep in the world as we've seen. Barely anything. Of any of these characters. But it certainly doesn't get the love and praise of other examples of representation in the show The fandom though. MY GOD THE FANDOM.... Fandom is ten times worse merely comprehending the concept of asexuality let alone handling it

[@fishbowlheretic]

i *want* mammon.

[@howlerbrine]

@@fishbowlheretic 😦

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

Yeah Vivsiepop release a Pride Parade image of all the Helluva Boss characters with their sexualities where it was revealed Mammon and Octavia are ace. I actually find Mammon being ace odd just because of the Fizz sex dolls, but that could be a case where Mammon doesn’t understand why people like these but he knows they make money 🤑

[@Sillybook_faires]

MAMMON BEING ASEXUAL IS SURPRISING I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EITHER. But i agree with your points

[@fishbowlheretic]

@@cathygrandstaff1957 you can be asexual and understand allosexuals. and, well, sex sells. i don't like spicy food but i understand why other people enjoy spicy food. not all asexuals are sex repulsed.

[@panpanmonday3585]

Honestly the helluvaverse representation is just awful like think about it. All the Pan characters seem to be heavily into sex with Chazz, Blitz, Asmodeus, and Husk (who, in my opinion, should have been pan/ace), making the sexual innuendo feel heavy-handed. The gay characters are all twinks, with Angel Dust, Fizzaroli, Vox, and Stolas fitting that stereotype. The bisexual characters are poorly written, with Moxxie being bisexual but portrayed as the pathetic male who needs his girlboss wife to save him. His whole mafia episode was horribly forced. Charlie is bisexual but doesn't even mention her ex or show any attraction to boys to support this. Vaggie is one of the only main lesbian characters, portrayed as a no-nonsense badass, but she solely exists to serve Charlie. Not to mention the handful of LGBTQ+ characters that are used as fanservice. There's little gender representation, and the only remotely significant character in that regard is Millie's transfem sister (which I do like), but she doesn’t truly matter to the plot. If she were written out, nothing would change. It's frustrating because many of the characters fall into stereotypes, and the representation seems to focus almost entirely on sexuality and it does annoying stereotypes.

[@imgalxe]

@@panpanmonday3585 this is a really good point I’d love to mention this in a video if you’d let me. I’d credit you for it. But I am curious about what you said about Husk. He’s not rlly super sexual from what I remember

[@panpanmonday3585]

@@imgalxe it’s stated in Husk’s bio that he’s pansexual, there’s a quote that’s he says-‘Any hole is a goal.’ I personally find it annoying. Also feel free to use these point perfectly fine to me.

[@imgalxe]

@@panpanmonday3585 eh idk him making one sexual remark doesn’t bother me

[@MewGamer-bj9in]

I can’t agree any more I feel like Viv has a weird obsession with this :/

[@platinumg.8614]

​@@panpanmonday3585Compared to other he is pretty tame in sexual commentary.

[@Cyburim]

Not to mention internalized aphobia in the fandom🎉

[@T_E_G]

Unrelated but kinda related 7:12 I felt this same way with how people were making fun of Blitzo and that one girl Emberlynn, obsessing over him and hoping that she'd stalk him throughout the episodes. Like stalking is not a joke, it's genuinely scary. Blitzo seemed so irritated with her, like his character just needs a break.

[@paninihead4662]

Seeing you put ace on the asexual flag kills me hes never gonna escape these jokes 😭😭

[@BeeRitual]

Mark my words Via is about to become an (unintentonal) Villian by the end of this season when she makes Stolas cry

[@UselessGoddess378]

She did (just watched Sinsmas) and he 100% fucking deserved it. Stolas has repeatedly shown that he loves Blitz more than Octavia and puts him above her in all aspects. Stolas was crying like a little bitch because of the consequences of his own actions. He deserved it. Via had every right to reject him when he tried to reconnect.

[@imgalxe]

Hey what do you think of the gameplay? I just figured it was kinda boring if I kept looping the same clips of Helluva and Hazbin over and over. Plus I might have to do this for my future Hazbin Hotel videos bc of copyright.

[@randomfrog6966]

Pixel Gun is peak, I lov it

[@Dantheman-dr7lh]

No lie. my best friend says she’s “ace” and I made the same joke in the thumbnail and told her she’s not ace as in she’s not the character Portgas D Ace and when I asked if she has any of his qualities and traits, she asked “is this a one piece reference I’m not getting?” 😂

[@Sienna_TheGamer2]

6:24 I LOVE YOU SM FOR SAYING THIS! As an asexual myself (who ships him with a character) it’s annoying when people say “Oh He iS aRoMaNtIc/ArOcAe” like shut up it’s not cannon… love this video and the rep is lowkey sad :(

[@bluespectrum1348]

The ace representation in the Hellaverse is abysmal. Octavia is cool but damn she's barely even a character. Mammon and Alastor are both psychos and horrible people lmfao.

[@TheUnmitigatedDawn]

Nah, it's fine Asexual people can be bad people and they can be good people It's true diversity

[@TheUnmitigatedDawn]

The thing that makes Mammon and Alastor unique ace rep is, while they're ace villains, they're completely out of line as to how an ace villain usually is depicted They're usually shown as cold and emotionless yet when you look at both Al and Mammon, they couldn't be farther from emotionless; they're flamboyant af.

[@wildindigoroot]

As someone who is ace i agree with the fact that just because someone is ace doesnt mean they cant date or be in a relationship I also hate that some people think all ace people are sex replused. Some may be but not all are! Ace is a spectrum and not everyone ace person is the same Fantastic video

[@jakedoesyoutube]

Mammon is probably objectum or whatever the term is, because, to quote a MarioInATopHat video, "Do I wanna f*** that money? I do. I wanna f*** that money."

[@fallfawn5765]

I always thought Rosy and Alastair were kind of like Charlie’s adoptive parents, supporting her where Lucifer and her mom didn’t

[@Norizz4557]

SAMEEE IM ASEXUAL!!!!!!!!!!! RARE TO FIND MY TYPE OF PEOPLE

[@perhaps1131]

MY ASEXUAL BROTHERS RISE UP!!

[@Norizz4557]

You liked my comment?!!!! TYSM!!!!!!

[@Norizz4557]

We rise up mwheheheeee

[@Norizz4557]

Thank you thou for liking my comment that's made my day

[@Norizz4557]

Also being aromantic asexual is one if my insecurities :)

[@madmyth3985]

The only props I’ll give to the hellaverse about their ace characters is the fact that two out of the three are men. I’ve noticed ace men are extremely underrepresented in media, it’s often seen as a “woman only sexuality”. It’s just a shame they don’t do much with their asexuality besides the “ace in the hole” joke with Alistair. Personally I’m an AFAB bi Demian with an ace transmasc boyfriend. We only recently started dating but I definitely considered his asexuality before deciding to ask him to officially asking him to be my partner. We are super respectful of eachothers needs and boundaries already though so I’d say our future looks pretty bright. But yes, I’d love to see more asexual men represented in media like my sweet boyfriend.

[@crazycookie4645]

This is a pretty neutral opinion of mine, but I do feel like HH and HB rely on sexual humor so much that the only way they know how to distance a character from it is to flat-out make them asexual. Because if the aren't, then we can't NOT have them be on the giving or receiving end of cringey sexual humor. And even then, Alastor isn't spared from Angel's advances.

[@platinumg.8614]

@@crazycookie4645 I think the exception was Striker. But nothing confirmed by him

[@crazycookie4645]

⁠@@platinumg.8614 Oh yeah, I forgot about him (assuming his asexuality is actually canon, idk). But I do still think they use asexuality as a crutch to counter the over-reliance on sexual humor everywhere else. Like if someone complains about the cringey sexual humor, they can go, "well actually we have asexual characters too, so you can't complain".

[@platinumg.8614]

@@crazycookie4645 Yeah I agree

[@my-nostalgia-is-horror]

Radio rose is my ultimate ship I will die on that hill

[@jasminguiza6227]

Same. I love these two and they are THE definition of Queer Platonic Soulmates…

[@my-nostalgia-is-horror]

@@jasminguiza6227 yeasssss

[@artistanthony1007]

Radiose is better, like Grandiose?

[@my-nostalgia-is-horror]

@@artistanthony1007 no radiorose it’s Rosie and Alastar together

[@artistanthony1007]

​@my-nostalgia-is-horror I was meaning the last as in "You know? Like Grandiose?" and that comment was my name I think is better because it is both Radio & Rose together and also means Grandiose which fits their characters.

[@themeepcreep]

Had no idea that Mammon was ace. That's actually very good for him! We need another "villain" character whose genuinely a bad person and NOT obsessed with sex. I think Alastor could use some work but he's not that bad of ace rep in my opinion. And..I'm very happy for Octavia. I hope her sexuality will be addressed and respected in the show. The only problem I have is that Angel Dust mainly flirts with Alastor in a sexual manner, one of the only ace individuals in HH. That feels wrong for some reason.

[@deathbyglamourr]

WOOOOO NEW GALXE VID!!! im ace too and i think the rep is SO9SOSOSOSOOSOO bad...sorry viv not all ace people are evil also damn I SHIP ROSIE AND ALASTOR TOO

[@cartoonhyperfixated]

as an aroace person I hope to see better rep because atm I feel like she just labeled via and mammon asexual and called it a day there’s no actual situations that shows you oh hey this character’s asexual instead of her js telling ppl yeah these characters are asexual so that in contrast with the rosie and alastor scene makes me appreciate that moment

[@theawkwardpotato1973]

7:15 - I think the scene with Angel and Alastor here is meant to be funny just because of how hard Angel got turned down, like- Alastor just told him "hell no." It's that meme where "the worst she can say is no" and then the she in question proceeds to say the most heinous stuff about the person. XD Angel got slapped down (metaphorically, and I'm sure Alastor was VERY tempted to make that very literal and didn't want to compromise himself in front of Charlie). Edit because I don't think I was quite clear enough: I don't disagree with you about the double standard, but I also kind of get it. I think there's a distinct difference between making a bit (ok a lot) of lewd comments and jokes and doesn't vs... well, what Val does to put it very, very nicely. I'm also not sure how Alastor feels about Angel dust's comments/jokes, or whether he's just dismissive of them or if he just only cares if they're directed at him. (And there hasn't been much flirting with alastor on-screen, mostly just a couple jokes from angel dust here and there) I'm far more concerned with how they portrayed Verosika and her gang straight-up "taking" Moxxie. That... oof. 8:08 - I'm entirely convinced Mammon just cares about money and/or power. He's just cartoonishly evil and that's ok. Octavia... yeeeaaahh there's way too little and Vivzie might've just not wanted people to lewd her, or at least limit the lewdness people would do to her. (r34 is a 'rule' for a reason, mostly just a fact of life and how people are).

[@msmx9088]

edit: this is what actually happened accordin to ayylmao’s vid on the situation. viv said in a different livestream that she wants people to have fun w/ ships so she wont answer if al’s aro or not, & a worker on the show’s prequel comics confirmed he was aroace & said viv was afraid to say it. viv then basically said to not take their words as canon so he may not be aroace anymore but yea she wanted him to be i think one of the actors said al was aroace but then them &/or viv tweeted out that theyre just ace & that was speculation or somethin dont remember. i feel like viv wanted him to be aroace especially since rosie calls him ace as a catchall for aroace (cuz she joked bout charlie being his partner) but ended up changing it so the fandom can go wild w/ ships. cuz of that i mostly see him as aro but i may change my mind if i start seein a spark somewhere. i think i kinda like the rosie idea but i need more time w/ them

[@bethdalby166]

Interesting points. As an aroace myself, I have a lot of thoughts on hellaverse ace representation. I definitely agree that minority characters being villainous doesn't automatically make them bad representation. As you said, there is a difference between writing a minority character who is therefore a bad person and writing a minority character who also happens to be a bad person. About Alastor, I think he falls into the second category, and he has enough depth to his character to actually be good representation if his asexuality is explored a little more. From what I can tell, not only is he canonically confirmed to be asexual, but he is also heavily implied to be aromantic as well, and more specifically on the averse side of those spectrums. He reacted with disinterest or revulsion whenever the subject was brought up. Rosie's comment about Charlie being too young for him when she called him an "ace in the hole" wasn't just a reference to sex, she was talking about dating, about sex and romance as a package. She managed to confidently conclude that Alastor is asexual when Alastor can't even articulate his it clearly himself due to his lack of education on the subject, something I doubt she would have been able to reasonably do if the issue was muddled at all by him expressing much of an interest in finding a partner throughout their (likely decades long) history. Amir Talai has also stated that he wouldn't ship Alastor because he is aroace, and while he has since retracted that to say he has only canonically been confirmed ace, Vivzie has also stated that she doesn't want to reveal Alastor's romantic orientation to avoid problems with shipping, which is telling in itself. Not only is Alastor's romantic orientation the only one not revealed in cannon, but what other romantic orientation would be "problematic" for shipping if not an aromantic person with no interest in romance? I'm aware I'm somewhat paraphrasing, but I would suggest watching Ayy Lmao's video for more context and sources. As such, while I don't think shipping Alastor is necessarily wrong, I can get uncomfortable with how intense the shipping and sexualisation can get and wish there was more general respect for what was stated in the show. I do actually happen to like Alastor, Mammon and Octavia, even if the last two can't really count as ace representation, but I think there is great potential to explore different parts of the spectrum here. Alastor is a sex repulsed aroace. Mammon could be sex favourable (he has no problem selling the Fizzarolli sex robots), but not interested in romance. Octavia could be more neutral, but still wants to find love at some point (imagine the Goetia family trying to arrange a marriage for her). Just some ideas.

[@Tadpoling_the_world]

YAY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS, like the rep in this show really is so bad bro

[@laurav5767]

I swear- as someone who's Ace myself i find it pretty weird and (at Times) offensive on how they write the asexual Characters in this Show.

[@Ruby...X]

I never liked the show, i only got into it because of Alastor (and because i also love his design) , the show is really bad, too much stereotypes, too much of trying to be edgy by cussing and talking about s*x every minute. I just can't, it's not funny it's just cringe.

[@laurav5767]

@@Ruby...X i highly agree on your Points, Like- i found less than a few Jokes actually funny and the Rest is a shitty Disney Channel Cartoon with cursing and Sex Jokes.

[@toonz679]

I love this. I think the only reason to say "bad rep" is for when their character like Stolas is so poorly written that the rep feels out of place or unrealistic. Reasons like that but I could be wrong and you can let me know.

[@stobie9063]

I feel like you read wayy too into the bit from that stream. I dont even like viv that much tbh, but to me it sounded like she was pretty clearly referring to him not having a "love" with that remark rather than his asexuality. I will say I'm not sure if she has the best understanding of what asexualiity is since honestly she sounded almost... confused? At the questions lol, but that part might have been me reading into it too much. Kind of hard to say without more context. But her not "correcting" (??) the comment doesn't imply anything at all imo, that happens all the time over livestreams.

[@kodicore]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who found the joke in s1 e2 with Octavia uncomfortable. Even before it was revealed she was ace, it was weird. She's a minor, Blitz is 30, it was never a funny joke. Who approved that, who let that into the final episode??

[@Disassociated24]

Can I just say that Rosie is the best character in Hazbin (in my opinion)?

[@chooseyourcharacter2698]

Hi, quick correction! While Alastor hasn’t been confirmed to be aromantic, I would say he’s HEAVILY implied to be by the same line of logic as the thing with Ed - that is to say, Amir Talai also had a recent moment where he stated Alastor to be aro-ace and while he’s since retracted the statement since it’s not outright confirmed, in the video Viv is sitting right there and doesn’t correct him and even nods when he says this. Also in the “ace in the hole” joke, Rosie seems to be talking about the idea of him dating Charlie in general, which also implies aromantic, and I’ll have to check the source but I think Prime once released a video of Alastor with both aro and ace colors plus his Valentine’s card also implies him being aro (while all the other characters have romantic/sexual connotations to theirs, his just says “you’re a very deer friend”). Vivzie I think just refuses to confirm it 100% because of potential fandom backlash to shipping (which I think is honestly questionable, since romantic orientation deserves to be represented just as much as sexual orientation and aromanticism shouldn’t just be an afterthought to asexuality). But anyway, as an aro ace person who’s very much on the sex repulsed/romance averse side of the spectrum, I still don’t think it’s an issue to ship him with other characters as long as it’s clear that he’s not experiencing romantic/sexual attraction to them. To me it gets icky when he experiences clear sexual attraction to a character or “falls in love,” but him being in different ship dynamics with more of a curious or queerplatonic vibe is a-okay in my opinion, and aro people can still be in those kinds of relationships :)

[@R0ckyyzz420]

she did say in a stream after someone asked if he was aro she didnt wanna awnser cause "itd upset the shippers" so id be its safe to assume...thats....a yes but she just CANT out her foot down and say when shit is canon or not..like hes ace and they still make sexual art just confirm hes aro and explain it or sum

[@AgathaVara]

I thought it was canon? Like, when the pilot was the only thing we can chew on over and over again. Did she really just change one of her character's sexuality to please the audience? That's the lowest for creating arts, and by lowest, it's my undirected way of saying contemptible

[@R0ckyyzz420]

@@AgathaVara i mean it IS canon he's aroace just by default like anyway. In the show prolly too (considering she hasnt SAID its changed) but either way she should say somethin.

[@stellas.lipgloss]

tbh I’m kind of happy that octavia is asexual bc I’m also asexual and I relate to her but besides that I have nothing to say 😭😭 I enjoy her when she’s on screen, but that’s barely ever

[@alwaysforetells]

In a lot of things like helluva boss but ESPECIALLY helluva boss it seems like labels are thrown in to insist on how much queer diversity is in the show and sell more merch, without putting in a modicrum of effort towards actual representation

[@Kyiromi]

As an ace person i HATE that every single ace representation seems to be "oh no i never want to have sex", like as an ace that is sex positive for me, just feels wrong that 99% of aces in media (not including child cartoons) seems to be aroace not asexual (like as if it was the same thing if you don't want sex, you don't want love) like yhea aromantic can still have sex and have feelings for someone, and ace ppl can still have sex and have feelings for someone. Sexuality isn't black and white

[@DimaPreo_]

I don’t think the scene with Octavia & Stolas is worse because she’s asexual. If she wasn’t, that would still be a form of sexual harassment between a parent & own child. Not to mention the amount of dirty talk he does RIGHT in front of her … and we’re supposed to feel bad lmao? Like the amount of ppl I’ve met whose parents would act like that … usually explain that their parents messed up their view of sexuality. Even their own. Asexuality as an allosexual is rlly nuanced, so I guess it’s too much to expect Viv would do a good job of representing the community, considering her work. Good video! 💃

[@MischiefMeow]

I'm asexual and I think that ace-rep in the helluverse is lame. Alastor could've been great but then vivzie had to imply that he's aromantic too which I think feeds into the stereotype that ace and aro are synonyms, the fact there's no aromantic characters doesn't help. Also always hate RadioDust (Alastor is the sex-repulsed type) I feel like Mammon and Octavia barely matter, Mammon just had the asexual label slapped onto him, he showed no signs of asexuality, he's always fixated on sexualizing the merch he sells (I know sex sells but he even does it to merch that isn't sexual like scarfs) and he has two robo-fizzes next to him during the competition like a pimp, was he just too straight for viv and she got bored of making every character gay and bi? I guess Octavia shows signs when she's uncomfortable by Stolas's dirty talk and doesn't get what he meant by 'wanting their bodies' but I feel like any teen would be uncomfortable with their dad dirty talking, and the fact Stolas even made that comment to his underaged daughter is weird as hell, ace or not!

[@queen_beefox]

You do know people that are Ace can still have sex if they want too, right? Mammon doesn’t have to be sex repulsed to be labeled as Ace, he’s probably either disinterested in sex. Or he does have sex but he doesn’t find anyone sexually appealing to him. You don’t need to be sexually attracted to someone to have sex with them, and you definitely don’t have to be sex repulsed to be labeled as Asexual.

[@MischiefMeow]

@queen_beefox I'm aware of that, I'm sex neutral myself and make suggestive jokes at times. When did I say "you need to be sex-repulsed to be ace." all I said was that some stuff Mammon does contradicts asexuality or atleast makes it come off as a forced label. If you want to argue about points that I actually made, fair. But maybe don't assume I'm making a point that I'm not.

[@queen_beefox]

@@MischiefMeow soo, if we’re going with the logic that because Mammon makes sexualized merchandise for profit, and has two fizz bots of his own (which might just be servants and not sex bots), that means it contradicts him being Asexual, so doesn’t that mean that your contradicting asexuality yourself because you make suggestive jokes sometimes? I don’t really understand the point your trying to make here Also, I know you never said “you need to be sex-repulsed to be ace” but the way you worded it made me think that’s what you were trying to say, I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m just trying to understand your point

[@MischiefMeow]

@@queen_beefox Usually someone who is obsessed with inserting sex in everything isn't a sign of uninterest in sex, the point of asexuality is that our lives don't revolve around it and we don't understand what sexual attraction feels like, and even if he sexualized his merch just for sales, once again, why would he do it to something as unrelated to sex as a scarf if he isn't interested in sex? Those two fizz robots seemed more like a pimp style thing which I'd say is pretty allosexual, like when people mention Mammon having traits of all sins those robots are what people point to when they say lust. Now to be fair, I will say that Mammon didn't show any signs of actually wanting sex, but let's be real NO ONE would guess he's asexual if we weren't told, partly due to what I said, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Viv just slapped the label on him just for points. And yes I know sex positive asexuals also exist, but once again Mammon showed no signs of actually lacking sexual attraction atleast for now, so he could easily pass as being allosexual, atleast Octavia showed something before being confirmed.

[@puppydogs68]

I hate when characters are revealed as a certain sexuality by the creator and then their sexuality plays absolutely no role in the series. I really want Alastor’s asexuality and touch-averse behavior to become a major plot point and part of the reason why Vox hates Alastor. I rarely see my sexuality (aroace) reflected in media, even if it’s confirmed, they’re usually just…there. Al is a major character, I hope Vivziepop actually explores his asexuality and to what extent it affects his life, relationships, and others around him.

[@cyanity1017]

You know part of me feels like vivziepop and some of the team just doesn't respect asexual people. Because if i remember correctly someone had brought up a behind the scenes clip or something where blitz's voice actor Brandon literally made a sexual comment about octavia. Assuming Octavia was always intended to be asexual, it's just really horrible. And it seems like vivziepop just chose characters she knew that she didn't want to bother shipping rather than actually exploring their identity like with the others. The closest we get is Rosie's joke about alastor being an ace in the hole and him being confused about the comment for one second. Edit: alright yeah the mastermind episode that just came out proved that vivziepop does not respect asexual characters. They literally has asmodeus and beelzebub make fun of mammon for not getting laid so blatantly disrespecting an asexual person, and not even a few minutes later have mammon hit on leviathan and make a sexual innuendo and just erase that one miniscule bit of ace representation that was even there.

[@fishbowlheretic]

even if octavia wasn't asexual making a sexual comment about her would be atrocious considering she's a minor.

[@SodaFrizz666]

Moreso than disrespectful of the ace identity, they don't care for it, and I'm betting they don't because its not as "interesting" to them as the annoying-ass demon yaoi Helluva's become focused on now. They want fanfic potential. They don't have the community's interests at heart which sucks but I have hope for better ace rep in other media! Helluva isn't the only LGBT thing out there

[@artistanthony1007]

I'm a Panaromantic.

[@MillieDuu]

The ace pics r so real

[@CasualUshanka]

This was a nice video :] Hope you get better, wisdom teeth removal hurts real bad :[

[@tultsi93]

And even if Alastor was confirmed aroace, shipping him with anyone still wouldn't be a problem because he's a fictional character.

[@notcoolperson95]

THAKNS FOR POSTING YOUR VIDEOS ARE GREAT TO DRAW TO 🙏

[@monikorasort]

There’s so much aphobia in this fandom and in the lgbtq+ community altogether, and it’s frustrating to see that there continue to be so few good aro/ace characters in media

[@H0PEisaL1E]

You know people ignore characters canon sexuality all the time, right? It's not offensive to make sexual art of Alastor because he is a fictional character. It's possible to accept that he's canonically asexual but create an AU where he isn't. Also, you pointed out that asexual and aromantic are not the same thing, which I agree with, but then proceeded to mix up the terms anyway when you listened to Viv talking. She said Alastor doesn't have a ROMANTIC relationship because he is a narcissist, she already moved on from sexuality and as you yourself said it, they are different things.

[@DIVINE_WEAP0N]

Hmm, good video aside or well, good points being explored here, but multiple things were said to where I had to pause and throw my own bit here because it was mentioned so often that the video lost me. I don’t think asexual means totally repulsed by sex. That would be sex repulsion, which I happen to have in varying degrees at different times, mostly due to trauma. Like, asexual just means a lack of sexual attraction to anybody. Not a lack of libido or disgust towards the idea. It’s a complex topic overall that Idek if I can appropriately get into here bcs the topic is kind of big one, plus it’s err. Ykno. nsfw. But for an example: I generally don’t mind sexual jokes, I don’t mind people being sexually attracted to me, I’m not ALWAYS disgusted by things sex related, however it’s incredibly hard for me to find myself sexually attracted to anybody and it’s always been that way. One of my best friends is the same exact way too. We are just extremely indifferent but have the sexual attraction of a peanut. As a teen I’d always say I’m asexual to ward off sex talk or sexual attention but I grew to learn it’s not the best explanation, mostly for the reason I just described, and it doesn’t accurately describe every asexual persons experience, generalization isn’t a good thing in this aspect but I don’t really blame you bcs I was also misled on it for awhile. You’re also a minor iirc.. Being misinformed about this earlier on kind of messed up my perception of myself and realized itd grow into other problems and even offend some ace people and whatnot

[@yourmourningstar]

It feels like most of the fans and even the creators of the show only like representation for the sake of shipping. 😔

[@hubertberrum6242]

that and MAYBE as fetishes in a way

[@dragonempress8367]

Honestly, representation would make for some great storytelling if viv used more than 2 braincells.

[@laurav5767]

As someone who's asexual too, i find Vivienne's take on asexuality pretty bad- i understand an ace character who just happens to be narcissist, but for her to say the opposite makes her look way worse than she already is!

[@DobriZec]

I love the ace narcissist rep (as one myself) and i also ship alastor x rosie

[@urdum9925]

rosie and alastor world domination

[@RainBearsthatlikelazytrees]

One of the reasons why Vivziepop hasn’t confirmed that alastor isn’t aromantic is because she doesn’t want it to stop shippers, which is kinda frustrating because she’s just avoiding even more representation, not that she does that well in the first place.

[@st4rri_ari]

your voice is silly. like idk how to describe it but your voice is very nice.

[@imgalxe]

Thank you I’m glad, I always thought my voice was squeaky and too high pitched for my age

[@st4rri_ari]

@@imgalxe nah man you sound awesome

[@DIVINE_WEAP0N]

@@imgalxeIT ISNT TRUST ME

[@azulathesunmoonsimp8939]

I’m sorry but AIN’T NO WAY THAT CHRISTMAS TREE LOOKIN’ BASTARD IS ASEXUAL. OVER EVEN UNDER THE ACE-UMBRELLA- I’M ALMOST 90% SURE THAT MAMMON HAS S/A’D FIZZ WITH HOW WEIRDLY TOUCHY HE IS WITH THE JESTER- (Coming from a fellow ace, howdy y’all👍)

[@imgalxe]

@@azulathesunmoonsimp8939 I mean it’s apparently canon

[@azulathesunmoonsimp8939]

It just doesn’t fit in the slightest😭 Viv what the hell??💀

[@artistanthony1007]

He's clearly a form of Gay but Viv thinks Gay means how she thinks, it doesn't because not everyone is Gay for the same reason and I'm a mix of Aromantic and Pansexual, I also may have some few comfort issues for a Pan but I still don't mind that people choose to be whatever, as long as they aint evil or have done terrible things and to extent may not accept them as that because they've gone too far like Chris Chan.

[@The_kashimo_glazer]

I dont think alastor is a narcissist. He only shows that he thinks he better than MOST people, and wanting the spotlight. It would be more acurate to call him an egotist. I personally dont like throwing around the term narcissist because its a mental illness and throwing it around in most contexts its used demonizes people with NPD. Also, alastor so far doesnt show any signs of self hate which is a big part of some types of NPD. Unless vivse confirmed it, then she just sucks at NPD rep(i can add another reason to hate her) Also, PS from what vivsepop (no clue if i spelled that right. Im slightly illiterate) was discribing it sounds like he autoromantic (romantic attraction to ones self)

[@x.x_c4nn1b4l.cupc4k3z_x.x]

i hate the fact that it's so normalized to misuse mental health terms such as narcissist, sociopath, psychopath, intrusive thoughts, psychotic, etc. especially when they're being used as insults.

[@Emma-Queenofhell]

​@@x.x_c4nn1b4l.cupc4k3z_x.x psychopath and sociopath aren't medical terms or conditions. What most people consider to be psychopathy or sociopathy fall under the umbrella of antisocial personality disorder. so I think it's okay to use those terms. It's not ok to use actual psychological issues and terms on fictional people as it stigmatizes mental health.

[@SpiceHoundG]

@@Emma-QueenofhellTo add to that, once it’s on a fictional character, they can bend and use that character to throw these disorders and real life struggles deeper into the mud. It does not have to be purposeful, but it can be due to lack of research or ignorance

[@Emma-Queenofhell]

@@SpiceHoundG agreed

[@DaedricTalks15]

Honestly I think Ace/Aro characters are starting to be more and more of my favorite characters when either writing or watching. (Now before I go on I do feel like I have to say my biasedness since my partner is Ace, so that definitely is a SMALL reason for my liking of Ace characters. Also that I have been in fwb with people before, so I do have my experience with being in those type of relationships.) For some context about me before I go on is that I am an extrovert who is currently dating someone, so because of that I am not looking to get with someone. But just because I am dating someone doesn't mean my love for meeting and talking to new people will slow down. I love getting to know and make small memories along side with new people when going out. Its fun, makes for good stories, and tends to broaden my understanding of things. But what I don't like is when people get jokingly touchy with me and tend to make comments about people's body. I get that with social media alot of things tends to seem either overly normalized and or overly negatively affective. One of those being is the loneliness epidemic. So why is it I enjoy Ace characters? Well for starters I think Ace characters can show you that not everyone you know or talk to has to be a fling. Sometimes people just like talking to others and spending time around them is good enough for them! Not everything I do like getting them a snack, driving them to home, or even complimenting about their looks means I have a secret crush on them and am trying my best to get with them. I just like being there for people and or getting to know them. Also this hasn't been shown in the series aside from that one "Ace in the hole" scene, but not everyone cares nor really enjoys sex. All though I have had my fair share of having intimate partners, I really didn't enjoy it much afterwards. Sure the moments did seem fun and does feel nice to share when brought up, I really didn't enjoy it as much as I thought? Usually it's more of something else like the conversations, the location, how we met, and more hanging out as a whole than compared to that one moment. So to see characters bounce off each other's energy and to make for memorable writing/scenes as compared to a kiss/sex scene is something I want to see more of. Not everytime a guy hugs his female friend, a guy drawing his guy friend, and a non binary watching a movie with his transgender friend means its a hint between the two. People tend to be social creatures and want to be with others.

[@teenyweenypinkitoe]

I never knew that alastor was canonly asexual and not aroace. You have changed my mind yet again.

[@Shojoboy]

I myself am AroAce (though I also might be Demisexual but that’s a different story) but I do love these characters being Asexual. But yeah, we don’t have enough to go on saying these characters are good Ace rep or not and Vivzie’s explanation doesn’t help. I’d love to see media show why being Ace isn’t a bad thing and show the struggles we deal with

[@SydiaDreaming]

Asexuality is a spectrum. Saying that Alastor can't be shipped because he's asexual just because your asexuality includes aversion to sex is ignorant. Asexuals in general are just not interested in sex, it's not that they can't have sex. Especially if they're in a relationship with a non-asexual. Alastor can absolutely be shipped with anyone, since they haven't specified whether he's straight/gay/bi or what type of asexuality he falls into.Yeah, I'm ace too, but I don't repulse sex. I simply don't give two shits.

[@DIVINE_WEAP0N]

YEA! I left a big comment explaining this. I think op is just misinformed

[@dragonempress8367]

Someone litterally told me not to ship Mammon with Stella cause hes ace.

[@SydiaDreaming]

@@dragonempress8367 that someone is VERY ignorant. Also, you can ship whoever you like. It's your inner world, as long as you keep things not weird for real (ex. P3do or necro) in my personal opinion you can also ship Angel with a woman. Who cares. We all know that he's gay in the real world, but that's your inner world. Also, he's just a character, not a real person.

[@KendallChantelle-ff3ue]

Oml, babe. I agree with Alastor and Rosie! They are so goddamn cute! ❤️❤️

[@FallenApprentice]

Honestly, Alastor is my rep character and I absolutely adore him as an asexual: /aromantic. I’m partly so attached to the character (for so many reasons I could write a 20 page thesis but I’ll focus on sexuality here) because fan writings about him helped me find myself and accept that I am normal. I’ve never seen a character like me in media and reading about familiar experiences and his reaction to ADs aggressive introduction in the pilot really resonated with me. RadioSilence works are so familiar to me in my current situation that they make me genuinely upset and the respectful of sexuality fluff with other ships is lovely to read. Makes me feel like I can be loved as a sex repulsed person if someone in a place as carnally obsessed as hell can find a partner. I do get very defensive and uncomfortable with sexual art, I do HEAVILY agree with you there and stories involving compromise on that part are certainly far more engaging and interesting. I adore Alastor. He’s my guy, my day to day, my chummy, steadfast, hotelier :D

[@Northlight14]

Fully agree with the video but I wanna quickly mention something (this isn’t intended to be hate, just a continuation of the conversation). Viv hasn’t said that Alastor is aromantic but she has been in the room with other people who worked on the show who called him aromantic and hasn’t corrected them. I know she did that not long after the show came out but I can’t remember the specifics so sorry about that. Anyway, a lot of people have taken that to be Alastor is aro/ace, myself included, but I can understand others not having the same opinion. Honestly it just pisses me off that Viv refuses to confirm if he is aro or not. Even if he’s not, as an aro person I’d much prefer that because at least I know. But for Viv to let other members of the team call him aro/ace but refusing to confirm it herself, it feels like she’s trying to please the aro community and the shippers at the same time. It’s annoying because aro representation is always going to be more important than ships (this coming from someone who’s a big shipper) so I’d much rather she just said if aro rep was happening or not cuz this feels a little like bait Sorry if this comes across as hate. I’m just very annoyed at how Viv handles ace and aro rep. I don’t mean for any of that anger to be directed at you😅 again tho, love the video and agree with what you said, especially about having characters be bad people that just happen to be minorities

[@Krispykreme15]

I saw ace in the thumbnail and then read hellaverse in the title and I got so confused 😭 I’m ace as well and I’m really dissapointed with ace rep. They usually just give it to the side characters and not to mention how much aphobia there is in so many fandoms. They call it invalid when the whole point of the queer community is to step outside norms and not put everyone in a box..? I love Octavia but I know she’s only around when stolas is relevant so I can bet her asexuality won’t be explored 💔

[@imgalxe]

@@Krispykreme15 see See the joke is

[@Krispykreme15]

@@imgalxeyeah I realised a few moments after looking at the thumbnail 😭😭(also I love the little ace’s popping up randomly)

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

I'm so tempted to write about an "aroace incubus" character concept. Someone who is considered conventionally, irresistibly, supernaturally attractive but wants nothing to do with sex or to have a sexual relationship. All he wants is to have a platonic friend, lol

[@dragonempress8367]

Yesh! Alastor x Rosie!

[@dragonempress8367]

Personally, I see mammon more as Allosexual. But of course, people keep wanting to correct my headcannnon, when in reality, he is horrible ace representation! In one of the staff doodles from the wiki, he had babies with 3 different demon women, and didn't want to pay for the child insurance. Yeah, cause having s*x with different women sounds ace to me! Overall I don't like vivzis representation of the LGBTQ+ community. I often change characters in my writing and the only thing I kinda dig is the world building.

[@TheGodIvy]

Being ace doesnt mean you cant have sex, and knowing Mammon, the guy who actively sold sex dolls, probably doesnt even know hes ace

[@dragonempress8367]

That's the whole problem. These characters don't even know their sexuality. Heck, are you ace? What is the true definition of asexuality? I have a friend who's ace. She doesn't wanna do the devils tango, but makes hilarious jokes about it. That, and we hardly have allo characters, despite vivzi's shows being sex crazed.

[@agustinadelavega7983]

Why is Ace (from One piece) on the thumbail instead of Luffy who is not interested in anyone? (I didn't watch One Piece so I don't know)

[@imgalxe]

@@agustinadelavega7983 bc ace Like asexual… Ace sexual Get it

[@stuffynosepatrol]

6:00 I'd like to point out that Vivzie said Alastor is a narcissist right after being asked if he is in a romantic relationship. If she was implying that he is not aromantic as you claim (which I personally kind of agree with) then that would mean he is interested in romance but can't get into a relationship because hes a narcissist, not that hes asexual because hes a narcissist. as for people getting mad at people lewding Alastor or shipping him with other characters while thinking he's aromantic: as you said before, all sexualities deserve to be respected the exact same, but most people won't get mad at someone for shipping a canonically straight character with a character of the same sex, either romantically or sexually. Characters are objects at the end of the day, I don't see whats disrespectful about shipping Ace/Aro/Hetero/Homo characters with people they canonically wouldn't be attracted to because its essentially the same as taking two action figures and making them kiss. Its harmless and theres no point in getting mad about it.

[@Barakon]

I gotta admit, I didn't even know Octavia was ace cuz there wasn't enough time for that to be evident. But to be fair, I didn't get that Peridot was "supposed to be ace" until a storyboard came out & said it, & I only accepted that months after, once I left the fandom completely & stopped shipping Lapidot & projecting onto Peridot. Now I know that if I'm gonna be projecting onto a character, that what the writers write about them doesn't matter & vice versa, that what I do doesn't matter to them. Both ideas can coexist as different iterations & also I just don't give a shit what sexuality they give Ramon, I'll still do what I want.

[@charlie8829]

“Which to be fair wouldnt be the worse thing in the world”💀

[@MewGamer-bj9in]

I’m Aroace and I’m so glad you made this video

[@MochiJelly4877]

Honestly because their asexually isn’t brought up much or at all within the show it more gives the impression that they are bad people who just so happened to be ace. Comment coming from a hypersexual ace person.

[@mihoren9797]

Rly sorry for my bad English but I rly want to say that I see how Viv doesn't understand that if u r gay I think u don't wanna fck every man. And if u r aroace u don't hate every other person, yo. You just don't feel the same that not aroace people feel for other. I find myself demi on ace spectre when I realized that I never feel *that* way to other people. Only to my partner. We start as a friends and now I'm in love with this buddy so long and only he can made me feel all the ways that other can't. I just don't feel that to other. And never was

[@Emma-Queenofhell]

Alastor is not a narcissist he's a sociopath and thats way worse

[@MillyKKitty]

For the fellow aro and ace gamers starved for aspec representation, play In Stars and Time. Not spoiling who/which are aspec 🥰!!

[@TheGodIvy]

Your saying only aspec when theres aces and an aro character, its both

[@MillyKKitty]

@@TheGodIvy Wait, sorry can you explain what you mean? I'm having a hard time comprehending to respond properly.

[@x.x_c4nn1b4l.cupc4k3z_x.x]

@@TheGodIvy aspec refers to both the asexual and aromantic spectrums. if they said acespec then that would only be referring to asexual characters.

[@katsmith4643]

I feel like a lot of the characters I can see are ace-coded are actually better cannon ace characters 😭😭 like I do not feel represented by Alastor, mammon, how the heck am I supposed to see that mammon is ace😭😭they’re both just mean and so I guess that means they’re ace because they’d say no to sex which is meaaaan

[@al8951]

Mammon especially like why would anyone feel represented by him, hes just an asshole

[@angelinalavolpe_]

Keep up the good work man!! 🙌

[@catastrophe3982]

If you watched Heartstopper, what's your opinion on one of the asexual characters in the show?

[@SunnybutD]

Why Did you put ace in the thumbnail but u didn’t say a single thing about him in the video😭😭 stop I love ace

[@KatieJack7972]

I'm AroAce!! 😁💙🩵🤍💛🧡

[@Tophatguy665]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@missmoon0184]

Viv have a very......interesting view and idea of romantic relantionsh8p

[@Dharpik]

I have an ace char, which, I'd say, has one a dubious thing in his history. And now I started to worry about rep I did💀

[@dayezartland2475]

A month late but you can have evil representation as any minority but it be best to have someone of the same minority in the story that isn't like them. Like an evil ace character and non-bad ace character, same for skin tones and other stuff.

[@Dharpik]

@dayezartland2475 nuh, he's not bad as a person. Im about like... This ace character once in his life just turned around and went to live as a hermit in the forest. And even in contex it feels like controversial part. No, there are several reasons why would he go away, but one of them its that he and his wife had some troubles in relationships (±40-50 years, at least the progress was on the same level, nobody knew there are some other people then "dirty f#gs", sorry for slur.) They divorsed because of different reason, but still. It seems a little bit strange making an ace char, who basically went to alone-like lifestyle in the freaking forest

[@dayezartland2475]

@@Dharpik Being aroace living in a forest is like my dream so you know what I already like this character 🫡 nothing wrong with a hermit ace anyways considering he did have a wife and stuff he seems interesting

[@thatoneocmaker]

Hey, Pixel Gun 3D! It's been a while since I've seen that game