“Stolas Is A Good Dad”

[@charlie8829]

Ngl stolas could have narcissistic personality disorder. Like honestly name one thing he has done for someone else that wasn’t to his benefit. No seriously any stolas defender in the comments, please try to tell me, and I will call bullshit on it.

[@imgalxe]

@@charlie8829THISSSS

[@SphynxyXVII]

Thank you! Oh my gosh! What's even funnier is, in the titular episode where Octavia is introduced, there was a lot of fanfare about how his speech sounded 'real...' only for him to abandon her to argue with Stella in the VERY NEXT EPISODE SHE'S IN. Nast!

[@solac0lyte]

that is not what npd is

[@gadgettop23]

man i hate stolas as the next guy but let's not diagnose characters with a disorder when we don't like them. NPD is actual thing and people who have it are constantly stereotyped as violent evil people. its just kinda of ableist ngl. but I agree he is a selfish asshole.

[@Jdudec367]

hm...I doubt he has that and like...what about him breaking the deal with Blitz? Wanna tell me how he only did that to benefit himself?

[@8onnie8oyz]

I just hate how she is only ever used as a plot device for Stolas. Her biggest trait is having daddy issues.

[@NAZRULISLAM-kz6yc]

EXACTLY.

[@thomasramirez5132]

Funny how you say that when in hazbin hotel, we are constantly reminded of charlie having daddy issues. Even though she doesn't have any issues nor Lucifer is... Bad to Charlie? Vivziepop really likes the whole daddy issues concept.

[@NanakPrasad-be4yi]

Man I think vivziepop has daddy issues that why we have 3 terrible fathers in helluva boss and hazbin hotel only good father figur is alastor

[@KarmaticWasHere]

@@NanakPrasad-be4yiAlastor is *not* a good father figure 😭. He’s at the hotel and pretending to be a father figure at all in order to manipulate Charlie to have made it easier to make that deal

[@8onnie8oyz]

@@thomasramirez5132 At least Charlie has other traits that overshadow that.

[@utiskie4900]

stolas is the kind of person to make a mistake, apologize, then do it over and over again and keep apologizing but never change his behavior

[@Gaïa235]

Like if bojack horseman was a gay owl!😔

[@epikchicken4163]

He is that person 😔

[@Light-ro5bp]

He is like the Shawn Dawson of hell

[@PhoenixMerlyn69]

My uncle…

[@cherryshoda4910]

And that's on Manipulation!

[@theresidentialrat]

I feel so sorry for Octavia. Her parents are divorcing, her dad OPENLY flirts with blitz in front of her and he blatantly ignores her in favour of blitz or Stella

[@IsabellaMathew]

It’s sad

[@ifeeldead463]

And so far, Stella is seemingly apathetic towards her, they both sucks 😭 Hopefully she ditches them both when she hits 18

[@Fallofthenights]

As bad as Blitz is he still cares for his daughter so much and is always atentive to her dispite how mean she it to him, he would burn the world to find his own daugter

[@rvfflez]

@@Fallofthenightsliterally Blitz would pick Loona over Stolas any day. But with Stolas he pays so little attention to Octavia and more to Blitz.

[@FionaThorny]

Same, especially since I relate to Octavia since my parents divorced when I was 9 and they’ve been fighting a lot ever since.

[@Marrianno]

"Sexualizing isfine, as long as its done to men appearently" is SO true in fandoms, omg. I think the best example of it whould be Astarion

[@mysryuza]

As an Astarion simp, I can heavily confirm. Ascended Astarion scares me tho-

[@katrinsorokatkat1597]

@coopidI remember him being a slave That why he has protecting mechanism against any affection towards partner He has ex, who is a vampire zombie You can fix him with effort

[@van_ol1056]

While sexualisation is bad regardless of who it happens to, sexualsation for women has worse consequences and is part of r*pe culture which mainly targets women. More than 95%+ of r*pe happens to women by men. Dress codes are stricter for women bc they are more sexualised. For men it's seen as worse bc there's actual strong structures that cause women to be r*ped and constally harassed on a larger and more violent scale.

[@Nigh_Temptation]

@coopid He's so much more than his sexuality, and that's why I love him. He's a giant DORK. He's a very "go with the flow" kinda dude. He likes to embroider. He makes bad jokes. He can be sweet when he wants to. Even if you aren't romancing him, you get to a point in your relationship where he's very ride-or-die and down to clown for you. He's overdramatic and prissy. Many "fans" of his are disrespectful towards his character by disregarding everything else that makes him great (the good and the bad). They turn him into a Sarah J Maas character or something straight out of a Coleen Hoover book. Like... do these people not like their men with personalities? Do they just want a dude to quote pickup lines at them all day?

[@Sakuurei]

But then when it comes to valentino x angeldust....

[@StarBunny4]

I honestly just feel happy anytime someone calls this man out because most people wanna call out blitz’s shit more than his.

[@deathbyglamourr]

@@StarBunny4 HONESTLY REAL i think hes the worst character in hb hes a bad partner, a bad father and a bad husband. everything is excused with " oh hes gay " or " oh stella is bad " like I THINK ITS WORSE THAT HE CHEATED HE COULD HAVE JST SIMPLY ENDED THINGS OFF NORMALLY

[@StarBunny4]

@@deathbyglamourrRIGHT- like you said it yourself when Octavia turns 17 you could divorce and end it all-, like at least do that first that cheat.

[@deathbyglamourr]

@@StarBunny4 I THINK HE COULD HAVE JUST. LIKE. WAITED TILL VIA WAS 18 AND THEN SKIDDADLED AWAY 😭😭😭 my ex friend was an AVID stolas defender and literally had a stolas x blitz bag BRO I WANTED TO PUKE 😭😭😭😭IM SO GLAD THEYRE OUT OF MY LIFE FOR OTHER REASONS

[@ratsandmice1612]

Fr. It's so easy to call out blitzo because his stuff is obvious. Blitzo isn't a good person at all. He stalks his co-workers and steps their boundaries many times, and he's kinda creepy, and he's hurt people. BUT! Blitzo is gonna change. In an apology tour, we see blitzo talk about genuinely being sorry and that he wants to change. Meanwhile, stolas get babied by the Fandom and the writers, and because of this, stolas doesn't get any character development.

[@StarBunny4]

@@deathbyglamourr I would respectfully cry if I had a friend that never tried to see the other side of the story

[@stellas.lipgloss]

I wish Stolas was as caring to Via as Blitzø is to Loona, especially because Loona is older than Octavia and she’s also way more aggressive ( ? I guess ) than her. when Stolas was obsessing over Blitzø / arguing with Stella, he was completely neglectful and dismissive towards Via’s emotions even tho the trip to loo loo land was originally supposed to be to cheer her up. but when Blitzø was upset over what happened with Stolas after their date at Ozzie’s he still immediately went to pick up Loona from Beelzebub’s party.

[@Sillybook_faires]

FRRRR BUT THEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY "blitzs is such a terrible dad" HOW? THIS MAN CARES MORE ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER THEN STOLA EVER DID?

[@emptinessitself]

​@@Sillybook_faires Blitz is fr the better dad than Stolas could ever dream to be xddd

[@Marrianno]

Honestly fair point. Blitzø is willing to put aside everything for Loona. He had a meltdown on his dream stage at the though of Loona being taken away. He was willing to put his work and everything aside to give Loona a shot for her health. Blitzø is hundred times better parent than Stolas

[@inxinfate]

@@Sillybook_faires i assume you mean terrible and not terrorist LMFAO

[@Mi-dm2ks]

Yeah, he always puts Loona first, her health, her well-being, for blitz is main priority no matter what

[@Melodia-ge8ib]

Blitz on the other hand NEVER prioritizes Stolas above Loona. Stolas can't even do that to his own BIOLOGICAL daughter who is STILL A TEENAGER. Meanwhile Loona is adopted and a grown ass woman and time and time again Blitz puts her above himself. (I mean ffs he sleeps in the couch while Loona has a bedroom).

[@Spelliot_Dragons]

exactly! you make a great point i didn’t even realize! stolas harasses so many people and makes weird comments to and around his own daughter. and he can’t make up for that, kids shouldn’t even know what that should mean, yet stolas says weird sh*t so much that octavia doesn’t even need to question it!!! “what the fvck dad!” and he literally says “language”?!?! LANGUAGE MY A$$, YOURE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO BE CENSORED. i applaud blitz so much, even at bee’s party he made sure loona was having fun and being safe. that is… until he got hammered.

[@chelonianmobile]

@@Spelliot_Dragons Dude. While he still shouldn't be talking like that around her, she's seventeen, not seven. She absolutely does and should know what sex is.

[@SecretMagician]

​@chelonianmobile put yourself in her shoes and see if you'd feel the same if your dad started flaunting over his side pieces privates at breakfast...

[@Spelliot_Dragons]

@@chelonianmobileright, i think you make a splendid point. teenagers should know what that means, yet it still does not mean he should be talking to his daughter about him and blitz in such a way, octavia should just live her life without an overly-s£xv@l dad.

[@SymphonyDaBeanD]

@@Spelliot_Dragonsi agree! while shes “old enough” to understand, its still gross to talk like that in front of a person in general

[@endlessmyth7040]

I wish people also called out Stolas' mistreatment of the imps too. He throws the staff around like ragdolls and literally talks down to Millie and Moxie "Not you guys! I wanted Blitzy to save me! Not you little ones!" How do you think Blitz feels when he sees Stolas mistreating his employees for being imps? How do you think he feels seeing him toss his butlers around because they're "just imps". They point out the clear power imbalance between Stolas and Blitz repeatedly. During Blitz dr*g trip he has a hallucination of being chained and collared like a dog at Stolas feet. He considers teaming up with striker because he resents the fact he's forced to serve stolas for the book (monthly hook ups). The grimoires is literally necessary for his source of income. Blitz sees the relationship as purely transactional BECAUSE he is an imp! Also the self loathing and being unable to think Stolas really loves him, but I'm focusing on the imp thing. When Stolas gets called out for it by Blitz his response was: "I don't see you like that" but he literally treats him like that. Throughout the early episodes most of their interactions were purely s*xual. Of course Blitz felt that way! What I'm trying to say is, I wish people held Stolas accountable too

[@Glitchhusky9304]

@@endlessmyth7040 thank you

[@Cirrus_illois]

My exact thoughts, even if he does see Blitz differently to other Imps, isnt that a massive problem? ‘Oh no, I respect *you* because we have a relationship’ it’s not good enough. Also a side note, when Stolas puts out a cigarette on Blitz’s horn I like to imagine it in human terms, your partner putting one out on your hair. Sure it doesnt hurt but its majorly disrespectful.

[@Jdudec367]

when did he throw one? I only remember him choking one in seeing stars. we see Stella do that more tbh. I mean we also see Stolas ROMANTICALLY flirt clearly with Blitz and try to protect him and get rid of the deal for him so he does love Blitz. Still yeah Stolas should have treated him better really.

[@endlessmyth7040]

@@Jdudec367 I meant it more metaphorically, but him not reacting to Stella throwing one is a red flag imo. I might make an entire paper listing all the awful things Stolas has done. I'm only on episode 6 and have two pages

[@Jdudec367]

@@endlessmyth7040 I mean...he did react and dodged it too. Well...eh I'm good for now really.

[@stinkymrsnow..............]

As much as I like the “You’ll be okay” song, I really don’t like how Stolas puts his relationship problems before taking care of his own daughter. Poor Octavia

[@toja1309]

RIGHT!? even Blitzø cares more about Loona than about his relationship with Stolas!!

[@rock87992]

Maybe because relationships are a new experience to him and his daughter was already the center of his life before the cheating. So no surprises he has management problems since he's pretty immature emotionally and of course this condition will lead to problems

[@TheoneandonlyThatrose]

I think over the years he just became more absent in Octavia’s life Wich is just so sad

[@msk-qp6fn]

I think a lot of the nuances in stolas's family in season 1 was essentially revamped or ruined in season 2. We see that with stella and how stolas treats via.

[@LiteraryVamp]

This show is so well written in the worst way possible. It clearly sets up Stolas as a horrible person (like he was originally intended) and they WANT to make it funny and seem quirky. Certain scenes are funny to me, but that’s because they’re absurd. Like, it’s obvious Stolas is the bad guy and he’s just *that* bad of a guy to everyone it shocks you and makes you laugh (like when he’s on the phone with Blitzø and Octavia). But with the idea that they want it to be funny AND make Stolas seem like he’s in the right, it’s bad. This entire show can be easily fixed if the intention is to show how a manipulative person in power can remain in power, guilt trip you and not change, but still get what they want and the ending is to show that while Blitzø did things wrong, he isn’t the ONLY one in the wrong. The idea of Stolitz being the end goal is horrendous. I’d love for Blitzø to realize he wasn’t the only one in the wrong with his relationship and become a better person from THAT rather than be guilt tripped and ripped on by everyone saying that it’s HIS fault alone. AND PLEASE BLITZØ ADOPT OCTAVIA YOU’RE A MUCH BETTER FATHER THAN STOLAS SHE DESERVES SO MUCH BETTER

[@Spelliot_Dragons]

exactly!!!! octavia deserved so much better, your observations are amazing, and i think you’d be an amazing writer! your knowledge on writing is actually insane, you’re insanely smart and talented.

[@LiteraryVamp]

@@Spelliot_Dragons SNJFJKDNS Thank you!

[@Harudodo]

I’m really hoping the stolitz story up to this point was one big set up and Viv is going to pull the rug out from under us in season 3 and turn it all on it’s head and finally portray Stolas in the way he’s supposed to be 😂 After all, Viv did say that the pilot portrayed Stolas as a villain because that’s what he was originally meant to be…but he doesn’t act any different now from the pilot. So…..

[@syppy7416]

thank you!!! I swear to god Hazbin and HB are just Screams of Silence if it was a franchise the comedy and drama aspects are good on their own (or at least can be) but with how they are they can't really be put together and yet the hellaverse insists on having its cake and eating it!

[@dazzlingdexter5060]

I mean he defiantly not in the right. But the new episode absolutely punished him

[@MaryDoezAnything]

The fact that Blitzø is a better father to his ADOPTED daughter makes me think stolas hates his own blood ngl And stolas fans will be like *"oh but he has depression"* but it doesn't mean that they have to ignore their daughter bcoz of a call like what?

[@HebiHouse]

Or they'll say, 'Oh but he's gay!' So are we upholding the stereotype that all gay men are only thinking about sex and don't care about anything else except for their own orgasms?

[@ineedcoffee7564]

That’s not even a valid reason, why do some fans think that? because Blitz DESPISES HIMSELF And is clearly depressed and he still treats Loona, who treats him like crap on a daily basis, with all the love and care he can give her So no Stolas doesn’t get a pass cause he’s depressed

[@HebiHouse]

@@ineedcoffee7564 b-b-but he sad gay birb!/s

[@ineedcoffee7564]

@@HebiHousestill No excuse

[@HebiHouse]

@@ineedcoffee7564 /s meant to indicate sarcasm

[@SammyRobinson62232]

Based on some leak storyboards. Octavia will get mad at her “dad” but it’ll be painted as a way where it’ll futher victimize Stolas. As I believed Octavia was manipulated by Stella and her brother Which makes me mad since Octavia has reason to be angry but the show won’t allow her to without babying Stolas even more

[@Dragonmongamer]

@@SammyRobinson62232 When will the writers stop babying Stolas? Good god

[@LipikaM-ze7ol]

​@@DragonmongamerI hate stolas's guts like dude Try to be a NICE dad , he firstly cheated on WHILE HAVIG A WIFE , like bro divorce ur wife then CHEAT? Also he's an ass father to Octavia

[@darkpersona1462]

Well they are just storyboards right now, who knows maybe that bit will be scrapped by the time the episode comes out.

[@Dragonmongamer]

@ I have my doubts about that, since the writers and the fandom have leaned so heavily into the “Stolas is a uwu depressed gay boi and its everyone else around him that’s the problem” thing. And I doubt that they’re gonna stop now.

[@darkpersona1462]

@@Dragonmongamer actually the writers have already admitted the Stolas is a problem as well, he’s just not self aware yet (check the description of apology tour.)

[@Marrianno]

What also takes away "good dad points" from Stolas is that he brought Octavia to LooLooland in the first place. It's a place that she absolutely despises, and I don't know how dumb Stolas is to mistake his daughters fright and crying for tears of joy. Like, Stolas shouldn't be so emotionally dumb

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Plus Octavia literally said *"I would rather kill myself."* when Stolas said they could go to Loo Loo Land. She was nothing but dismissive to the idea and Stolas just brushes off her blatant protests as teen angst. He also broke his promise that it would be *"just the two of us."* by bringing I.M.P, specifically Blitzo.

[@waves2378]

@@PlanetZoidstar he also spent that time teasing Blitzø and playing the damsel in distress just to have his "knight in shining armor" save him.

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

@@PlanetZoidstar Stolas has a secret language! I only know a little bit, so I'll translate 2 sentences English: "ew, hell no! I don't wanna do this, I'd rather DIE.'' Stolasish: "OMG YESSSS! I TOTALLY WANNA GO! English: "please stop talking about my body, I hate it, and we're in public. I don't. Wanna. Have. Sex. With. You." Stolasish: "FUCK YEAHHHH this is sooo HAWT! I REALLY wanna ***** you in the ***** with my ****, and ******....*******!"

[@jonquilgemstone]

​@@waves2378And Octavia did admit she liked it, but only back when her parents "didn't hate each other" (openly, at least). So he basically took a good memory from her childhood about a happy family, and stepped all over it by bringing his affair partner and constantly reminding her of what ended that "happy family" she grew up with.

[@NikkiMStudio]

And there's also a part in the trailer for the future episodes where she's telling Stolas he doesn't love Stella, he doesn't love her, and he only loves Blitz. Which I honestly LOVE for her to do which also means there's the chance she's gonna call him out on every shitty thing he did & how hypocritical he is.

[@chelonianmobile]

He doesn't even love Blitz. He barely knows anything about the guy and is blackmailing him!

[@Deskahacker666naserio]

I think Stolas doesn't love blitzø, but he only feel lust for him (Sorry for my bad English ;_;)

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@chelonianmobile Stolas only loves himself.

[@kemi_smith]

​@@Deskahacker666naserioYour English is good

[@aqu44mariii]

i personally think stolas does love blitz, just in a more s3xual way

[@coffeecaku3281]

On my birthday? Stolas Slander? Yesss, so lovely.

[@chitae8551]

Happy Birthday🎉

[@KNuraim]

Happy birthday 🎂

[@MarieSarahRicky2]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY :DD

[@esterukesup6850]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! 🎂🎈 💕

[@imgalxe]

Sorry i missed this, happy belated birthday!

[@Sparkythewolf1997]

I hate how he calls her 'that girl' in his argument with Stella. What kind of dad refers to his kid, who he supposedly cares about, as that girl.

[@Dragonmongamer]

He could’ve said something like “our child” but no.

[@seyspectra]

„The girl“ would be okay, but „THAT girl“? THAT’S weird. Reminds me of the murderer who killed his wife and toddler kids to be with his mistress and kept repeating during interviews „how worried he was about the disappearance of „Shannan and those kids“. During the days they were missing, he called Shannan at least three times because he was so worried :(„

[@laobok]

@FloraDArtCat This comment is basically a non-sequitur. You're really just looking for a fight.

[@heropath34.vaselisc.35]

hmm for bookworm he was bit a very out of touch own sentence control..... Oh yes ! he was written by middle aged fujoshi!

[@waves2378]

I unfortunately saw leaks of the final episode of season 2, but they made me think about a big difference between Stolas and Blitzø: how they handle fatherhood. And the main aspect is that unlike what Stolas has done with Octavia, Blitzø has *NEVER* put Stolas or anything else above Loona. Everything that happened at Ozzie’s left Blitzø feeling depressed about his relationship with Stolas, but he put that all aside once he recieved a call from Loona saying she wanted to come home from a party. He dropped everything and was there in a matter of minutes. When Stolas was kidnapped in Western Energy, Blitzø tried to ignore it (granted, neither he nor Stolas understood the severity of the situation at that point) because he had to help a terrified Loona get a vaccine. He sent Moxxie and Millie to rescue him, while he stayed with Loona to comfort her before getting her shot. He even actively avoids exposing Loona to his relationship with Stolas because it shouldn’t be something she’s a part of. And you know what? Loona has *NEVER* doubted whether or not Blitzø loves her. She even calls him “dad,” and this is with the knowledge that she was adopted when she was pretty much a full-grown adult. Stolas, however, has put his relationship with Blitzø, and his divorce proceedings, above his care for Octavia. Stolas brought Via to Loo Loo Land as a way to get her out of the house and spend time with her, but he instead spent it teasing Blitzø and playing the damsel in distress just so Blitzø could “save” him. He also forgot about his promise to see Azathoth’s tears with her in favor of being petty while moving Stella’s stuff out. And, he doesn’t care about exposing Octavia to his relationship with Blitzø, even making very vulgar remarks while being perfectly aware of her presence (the only man who can f*ck me, my big-d*cked-Blitzy). And, unlike Loona, all of this has left Octavia doubting whether or not her father loves her. *LEAK SPOILERS BELOW* That’s why Loona is still with her father, while Octavia left hers behind.

[@HebiHouse]

Good for Via. Stolas sucks and perhaps Stella is the better parent.

[@waves2378]

@@HebiHouse thats a bit of a stretch. Stolas has shown that he cares for Octavia. It's just that he's never done so in front of her. When he found out she ran off to the living world, he showed up at the I.M.P. office ready to murder Blitzø and his employees. When Striker mentioned her, Stolas threatened him. He even stayed married to Stella just so she could have a normal childhood. Stella stayed married to Stolas just to continue her lavish lifestyle. And besides, if Stella loved Octavia as much as you said, I don't think she would have referred to her as an "egg" that fell out of her or *LEAK SPOILERS BELOW* Prevent Stolas from calling her.

[@HebiHouse]

@@waves2378 Stella married Stolas because that's what's expected of her. She didn't have a say. She only had one purpose, give birth. That's all. Continue the Ars Goetia royal line. Stolas, yes, was frightened when Octavia escaped to the human world-but completely forgot about her as he was watching Blitzo fail at stand-up and be a misogynist at that studio.

[@waves2378]

@@HebiHouse I know that Stella was forced into the marriage, just like Stolas was. What I said above was why they *STAYED* married after Octavia was born. And even at the studio, before Blitzø went on stage, Stolas said to hurry it up so they could continue their search for his daughter. The reason they ended up their to begin with was because they were kidnapped and couldn’t cause too much of a scene in public, otherwise Blitzø’s cover would have been blown and the whole “demon” thing would have been revealed. Not to mention Stolas (even if he was disguised as a human) would have been in trouble too because he would come across as a human who knows about demons and kept it a secret.

[@HebiHouse]

@@waves2378 they still stayed way longer than needed be because Stolas was too busy laughing over Blitzo's stupid jokes. The only reason why Blitzo left to go find Octavia... Was to go find Loona as he remembered her and wanted to be there for his daughter.

[@-MonoKuma-]

"B-but he is trying 🥺" I don't give a flying fuck

[@imgalxe]

@@-MonoKuma- real

[@noheruuu]

real

[@hiiloveu1521]

Well his best is not fucking enough!!! Hope this helps

[@sasaki999pro]

"Trying" is something you do for peers and superiors the child should be "Trying" The parent on the other hand needs to be "DOING", for a Parent trying isnt good enough. "Trying" does not wash away a life time of misery from a stunted growth in the formative years of your childs development. If you would put ANYTHING before your child as a parent then you do not deserve to be one. Wether you discipline or nurture your child, and however way you maintain your own physical and mental health, it should always FIRST be in service to THEIR developmental well being as they mature into adulthood, and always second, if not NEVER, for your own convenience. Example, if you drink to destress and be less hostile towards your own child telling yourself "Its for THEIR sake", that is a habit they will see and pick up on. They will internalize you using alcohol as a shortcut to achieving mental wellness. *_This will stunt their growth._* Parenting is a responsibility that demands excellency, its just a sad fact of life that majority of parents that exist do not meet that standard. _Stolas is one of them._

[@Orangecat_doesquads]

Hes trying, just at the worst times and keeps going back to what he used to do. That isn't a very "good dad" trait.

[@TooningIn2008]

“But OPPPPP, he is tRyiNg his bEEEEEEESSSST uwu” -Stolas stans

[@Genshin_Addict69]

Pls nononononoononononononononononononoonoononoononononononnoononNononononononononononononononononononoonononoonnoonononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononon

[@Goovdluck687]

Like no he ain't.

[@alderlopezcastro4928]

Same with Lucifer fans. He made no effort to reconnect with charlie after 7 years

[@Killa1012]

Queer person making the points:

[@PlanetZoidstar]

The fact that LOONA of all people used that argument pissed me off too. That doesn't seem like Loona talking, but the writers talking THROUGH Loona.

[@Mi-dm2ks]

"Omgggg but he loves her 😢" yeah that is just the bare minimum from a parent

[@imgalxe]

@@Mi-dm2ks MF FR IM AN ASSHOLE BUT I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY ID BE A BETTER DAD THAN STOLAS

[@squidmochi7811]

Also, you can love someone and still be fully capable of hurting them, even if it was most likely unintentional if that makes sense?

[@bigjok3929]

​@@squidmochi7811 "You always hurt the one you love"

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Cringe

[@ch4r..ed1tzz]

@@Marvelfanatic3658???

[@Chocofr0st]

“B-But…he loves Octavia!🥺“ Yeah, he’s a parent. That’s literally the bare fucking minimum.

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

Cringe

[@Glitchhusky9304]

Just because hes gay doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out if we want people to be equal then don't baby them using there sexaulity as a excuses

[@Genshin_Addict69]

I legit see some ppl say “HES TRYING HIS BEST HES THE BEST GAY OWL”

[@Glitchhusky9304]

@@Genshin_Addict69 again being gay doesn't excuse actions that are toxic it's annoying how people would defend him because of that. It just makes everyone in the lgbtq look bad

[@Genshin_Addict69]

@@Glitchhusky9304 IKR 😭 also I forgot to put the see after legit my bad-

[@Glitchhusky9304]

@@Genshin_Addict69 it's cool

[@x.x_c4nn1b4l.cupc4k3z_x.x]

people do this with Catra too. i'm tired of people babying abusers just because said abuser is gay

[@memory.3015]

I’m so glad you pointed out how he was dirty talking to his partner in front of his underage daughter because that was the part where I have the most problems with “People want our money and our bodies..” THAT’S JUST CREEPY AS HELL

[@chelonianmobile]

Correction: dirty talking to his EMPLOYEE who EXPLICITLY DOES NOT WANT HIM TO BE DIRTY TALKING TO HIM.

[@memory.3015]

@@chelonianmobile OH SHIT YOU’RE RIGHT

[@squidmochi7811]

It totally went over my head when I watched it, but now that I think about it its just...gross, and Blitz was also constantly telling him to stop as well

[@Gojo_miku]

At first I thought it was funny... But it's just gross

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

"people want our money and our bodies" reminds me of how an adult principal will tell an underage schoolgirl she can't wear a short skirt because it excites the boys

[@kristianbanks6450]

I find it so amazing How Blitzo is a way better fatherfather to Loona: his adoptive daughter than Stolas is to his own flesh and blood.

[@The_local_iansan]

I’m so happy that it seems that later in season 2 Octavia seriously loses it and gives Stolas a reality check

[@Myapanna]

Sadly she is barely getting any type of screen time rn even though we get a decent amount of Stolas episodes (checks out about him tbh)

[@chansfeet2500]

As an Octavia enjoyer, I'm looking forward to it, but I'm not looking forward to how the fandom will probably start attacking her and defending Stolas over it.

[@Comet346]

Viv even said that Stolas has no self awareness, so hopefully Via and Blitzø will do something

[@The_local_iansan]

@@chansfeet2500 that’s so real tho there going to use the “but Stolas was doing his best!!!” Excuse I’m so happy that at least part of the fandom can call Stolas out on his bs!!!

[@The_local_iansan]

@@Myapanna yeah Octavia needs more screen time!!! Not Stolas I’m so tired of him tbh

[@jelly_elli]

"Why does he hate her more than he loves me" hit me so hard when I watched this episode

[@BooknQuill1]

"Oh but Stolas is trying his best 🥺" I couldnt fucking care less. Also, I haven't seen the entire video yet but I know its good :D

[@CaramelOnFire]

They only praise him because he's gay, sexuality seriously shouldn't matter when it comes to assault and just being a shitty dad.

[@justzombie7594]

If this is his best, then what is his worst

[@BooknQuill1]

@@justzombie7594 EXACTLY

[@Wolf_Blob]

Literally concerned about how fucked this man is (not literally, because we know how). The marriege itself ruined Octavia's life, and then keeps making it worse with Blitzø's deal. Like dude, keep your dignity atleast on your daughter's face.

[@CaramelOnFire]

the way he is wrote is just sad

[@saikigay]

people seem to forget that trauma is not an excuse for horrible behavior. yes Stolas is a victim of years of abuse and all sorts of things but he’s still a grown man who is completely responsible for his own actions and does not need to be babied by the fandom. TRAUMA DOES NOT EXCUSE SHITTY BEHAVIOR.

[@nicolo1the1author]

Please say that louder for the people in the back👏

[@js8qp2pwisos]

Not Stolas literally strangling the imp that holds the phone while arguing with Stella and then turning around like "Ive never looked down on imps Blitzy idk why you hate me so much 😢"

[@Thatgeeky_Artist]

Blitzø may be a shitty person, but he definitely deserves the award for best dad. Im a little annoyed how in apology tour, Blitzø gets "called out" for "not being there for him". Blitzø not only sent people down to save him, but he prioritised his daughter. I wish he would've explained how he was thinking about his kid first, putting stolas on the spot.

[@ghostslayer1981]

Yeah. What annoyed me to was how he also immediately got pissy that Blitz didn't tell him he was almost killed by the same assassin earlier, which.....buddy, YOU DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE YOU WERE IN DANGER. You literally just wanted Blitz to come dashing in like it was loo loo land, and only realized you were legit in danger when Striker actually started hurting you. Neither of you thought your ass could get hurt, and even if it's pointed out Blitz knew he had an angelic.rifle, he didn't know he had other angelic weaponry because at that time, Striker only used fists and his normal knife. And the rifle itself got confiscated by Moxxie, so....what the fuck is the issue. The whole arguement was just Stolas blaming or tearing into Blitz over stuff he could barely if even be held accountable for, and Blitz not even trying to really defend himself or call Stolas out because he got too emotional

[@SirToaster9330]

I keep forgetting that Stolas was acting sexual in front of his underaged daughter, that’s lewd action in front of a minor, he could lose total custody of her or she could file a restraining order

[@BlooMonkiMan]

Assuming it works like that in Hell, and even if it does both of her episodes state that she doesn't want Stolas to leave, which means she would likely not cooperate if a CPS agent tried to take her.

[@Spelliot_Dragons]

@@BlooMonkiManthat doesn’t matter, it’s a show and vivsiepop had free will to make the show, even though in hell it wouldn’t be bad, if he can cry over blitz being a “bad person” he can control his words around his ahem ahem ahem, young daughter.

[@alastry]

I really like and relate to Octavia as a character. In my opinion, she is one of the most interesting people in the Hellaverse. The problem is that we never really get to see her personality on full display. In every episode she has appeared in, the reason she is there always ties back to Stolas. She is always being used as a plot device to help further the notion that Stolas has screwed up as a father in some way. Which is true, he has screwed up. Stolas constantly proves time and time again that he lacks the empathy and thought to give his daughter the attention she deserves and to see things from her perspective. He never spends any time with her and is very neglectful, he constantly fights with or insults Stella with Octavia present with no regards as to how this could make Octavia feel, and the fact that he openly talks about sex in front of her when she is a minor and asexual is disgusting. The way Stolas acts around Octavia is really disturbing and she must feel so lonely as it seems like her father never makes the effort to spend any time with her. But having a strained relationship with Stolas can't be all there is to her character. In my opinion, Octavia should get her own focus episode where her relationship with Stolas isn't the central plot. Or an episode in which she finally puts her foot down and has a proper talk with Stolas about his behaviour and how it makes her feel. I really want to see her open up again similarly to how she did with Loona in Seeing Stars and would love to learn more about who she is as an individual. I think this could be accomplished by having Loona also be a part of the episode as I feel like they have a sisterly type of bond. After sorting out her relationship with Stolas, we could maybe get to see more of what she is like seperate from him. I would also like to see Stella and Octavia interacting more as we never really see the type of relationship they have. I always hear people saying that Stolas is a better parent than Stella because he puts more effort into being a father. But I don't understand this take because we haven't really ever seen Octavia and Stella Interact on screen, so we don't know how good Octavia's relationship with her mother is compared to her father. I think people mainly say this to try to make Stolas seem like a better parent and person than he actually is because they know he isn't good at being either. I also think they say this to make Stella look like more of a villain to fit their 'Stolas is a victim who can't do anything wrong' narrative and downplay his shitty actions. Honestly I just hope we get to see more of Octavia in the near future as she seems like one of the most underused and underappreciated characters in Helluva Boss. But the writers don't seem to know what to do with her character which is upsetting as I think she has so much potential. I really hope she stands up for herself and her boundaries eventually because I am honestly sick of how bad of a father Stolas is. (Also i hope you have fun at NYCC! Your cosplays always look so cool!!)

[@skipping-stone.x]

I like how Stolas's dad is terrible and his mom most likely isn't even there for him, while Blitz's dad is also shitty, but his mom actually seems like a loving parent. I think it makes sense why Stolas doesn't even know how to take care of child (still NOT an excuse), while Blitz somewhat knowing what he should do

[@jonquilgemstone]

Paimon was way better at "daddying" than Stolas, despite barely even spending time with him at all, arranging a predestined marriage for the sake of a precautionary heir, and having an all-business approach with his words. The bar is literally on the floor with Stolas.

[@MushroomLVR-Gacha]

-he's a good father- He used to be when she was little..

[@a.monach7602]

*One singular time.

[@Ljabbd]

*On screen.

[@derpsdeluxe]

Her Seeing Stars scene with Loona hit close to home for me and not even in the way they intended (out of everything it’s surprisingly the meteor shower line) which is sad but funny. Stolas’ behavior would make their shared scenes tragically realistic if it weren’t for the writers constantly ignoring his flaws because “it’s ok, Stella’s horrible!” or “it’s ok, we need more Stolitz fanservice!” It’s also ironic he was upset with Blitz when Blitz was getting an important shot for his daughter. Even though Stolas didn’t know, the irony that Blitz would put his own daughter over Stolas meanwhile he’s busy openly flirting for an entire day with an affair partner in front of Octavia is too insane to ignore.

[@Glitchhusky9304]

@@derpsdeluxe THIS JUST THIS OMG I DIDNT REALIZE THE IRONY THANK YOU 😭

[@SecretMagician]

I said this elsewhere, but there was a LOT of missed potential in Seeing Stars. From someone giving Loona a reality check with realizing all the good Blitz does for her compared to Octavia, and Loona, and Octavia, finding each other far earlier in the episode because Loona feels like finding her will put her back in Blitz's good graces (judging from the fight earlier in the episode). Loona and Octavia have a "Girls Day Out" together (would be better than more Stolitz confusion and relatively pointless Sitcom shenanigans), and both of them develop in opposing ways (Loona appreciates Blitz more after realizing it, while Octavia starts to feel more distant from Stolas because of his behavior).

[@derpsdeluxe]

@@SecretMagician That would’ve been a great way to go about it. After all Loona and Octavia are in the thumbnail of the episode yet don’t get the screen time they need because the episode is crammed with Stolitz. Seeing Stars is honestly one of the episodes with the greatest potential for its characters but falls flat cause it’s trying to cram too many stories into one.

[@eestifan4ever]

​@@SecretMagician i think it's interesting how their sutuations mirror each other. Blitz is overprotective parent, stolas is neglectful parent. Blitz basically saved loona's life when she was 17-18. Stolas made octavia's life worse with his affair. And it happened when she was 17. Both blitz and stolas were depressed after a failed date at ozzie's. But blitz put all his feelings aside, came to the party the minute loona called him, and was there for her when she needed him. While stolas dissmissed octavia's words and feelings and was too busy fighting w stella instead of listening to his child. Blitz prioritized loona's health and safety over stolas' in Western Energy. He was there to comfort and help her, and this shot was very important for her. And he still sent M&M to save stolas i mind you, he still cares, he just puts his xhild over anyrhing else. While stolas was goofing around with blitz when his own kid WENT MISSING. Why didn't he use his powers to escape? Why was he fine with wasting hours on a cringy reality show instead of searching for his daughter??? Blitz was somehow more important to stolas than octavia. Blitz was the one who fought humans and was willing to continue their search, not stolas. He didn't even notice dissappearance of his child at first, wtf. Octavia always forgives her dad even when he's clearly in thw wrong, while loona is agressive to her dad (ik she loves him, i just wish she appreciated him more). This talk could develope their characters ao much. And it would be a perfect foreshadowing for [spoilers] Octavia leaving stolas and calling hin out.

[@nolongerbee]

"What kind of parent has intimate conversations with their partner when they know their kid is around?" Simple, a bad one.

[@KattinIsBrocken]

Dude, I can't help but feel bad for Octavia. People keep on sympathizing with Stolas while ignoring how much he emotionally neglected her, and even talked sexually around her. That sorta stuff leaves an impact on you and not a good one. Octavia deserves better and shouldn't be blamed by the fandom just because her father makes her depressed and it causes her to lash out. I know she's 17, but she's still a minor and has probably been neglected for most of her teen and pre-teen years, IF not her whole life.

[@equulitz]

not really, stolas only recently started doing things against his family's favor lol. which is why she's shocked with his behavior and thinks he "might go somewhere she can't find him", she trusted stolas and now it's odd he's doing this. stolas didn't have anything in his life to put before octavia, until blitz came in.

[@KattinIsBrocken]

@@equulitz Ok, but the reason I say that is because we don't really see much of that besides a couple of flashbacks of him putting her to sleep and one checking on her, and I don't feel like that's enough. Even then, Stolas is still neglecting her, and saying that it happened when Blitzø came along seems kind of inconsiderate when you're reminded that Stella and Stolas have had high tension in their relationship all this time. Yes, it's Stella's fault, but there could've been more instances of Stolas neglecting Octavia that we haven't seen. Given by the way she acts after all, it seems like sort of a reoccurring thing.

[@equulitz]

@@KattinIsBrocken i don't think stella and stolas had the high tension going on for 17 years (in front of via to observe), she does say "when my parents didn't hate each other" and stolas doesn't seem the type to make the abuse visible to octavia, as he states he endured it only for octavia to have a normal life. octavia was under the impression that she had a loving family until stolas ruined her family by cheating on her mother. that's all she knows. i mean, maybe her mother neglected her, maybe her dad did treat her badly in the past too (even though i don't think that's the case) we don't know that but i don't think it occured often before he discovered he could do something for himself once and chase blitz's company (in the worst ways possible but not today's topic to handle)

[@van_ol1056]

My parents talked sexually around me and I thought that was normal until I read the comments here. For me I didn't care but I guess others aren't used to it

[@justcath3r1ne]

Ironic how Stolas said language everyone when he’s saying the most sexual sh!t in humanity

[@dragonempress8367]

That's the only reason that scene made me laugh😂

[@js8qp2pwisos]

He literally said "fuck" just 10 seconds before she did, right infront of her 😭

[@Goji_nuggetyt]

Freakiest owl in all of fiction 💀🙏

[@Roythegoat401]

and then he wonders why his own daughter and Ex-Wife hates him 💀

[@itsyourgrillhere6401]

Nah and people try to excuse the hate for Stella bc she apparently SA’d him which…no? They both clearly didn’t want to do it but due to their duties they had to have a child but knowing Viv she’s probably gonna try and make something out of her ass to make Stella more of a bitch just to further the main relationship and make Stolas more of a victim, literal wattpad writing (correct me if I’m wrong with stuff I kinda stopped watching after a few episodes of season 2 bc it was so ass💀) Edit: watched the newest episode, I stand corrected LOL

[@Fyolai_is_more_real_than_me]

​@@itsyourgrillhere6401 the realest shit i have ever heard. Tbh, I'm sick of the way Viv builds Stella up, making her a 'total bitch' and Stolas a 'miserable victim' to sail the Stolizt. But little did they know that just made me a Stella 'fan' tbh.

[@Roythegoat401]

Yo thanks for the likes guys!!

[@TheOneAndOnlyEuca]

@@itsyourgrillhere6401 Viv trying not to be a wattpad writer (unsuccessfully) 💀

[@Fyolai_is_more_real_than_me]

@@TheOneAndOnlyEuca At least they failed successfully

[@ana.wordswordswords]

that blitzø phonecall in front of via scene shows stolas as shitty to TWO people at the same time. both octavia and blitzø were very much uncomfortable and caught off guard by what he said. absolutely insane how people see stolas as a good dad even though hes so OBVIOUSLY shitty and him being shitty is a literal PLOTPOINT

[@ana.wordswordswords]

also him saying “language!” to via and blitzø like 10 seconds after he said “big-dicked”😭.

[@LyssaJo-dw3mx]

Really love this review!! As a child of divorce with daddy issues, I’m sick and tired of other Stolas fans defending his actions. While he is a gay man with childhood trauma, that still doesn’t excuse his negligence towards his daughter in any way, shape or form. Although I am admittedly a Stolas fan myself (because I kinda relate to him at times and I find him entertaining), I also understand why people don’t like his character. Hell, sometimes I even consider him to be my guilty pleasure character. Even though I sympathize with him, an explanation of someone’s actions doesn’t equate to a justification of their actions.

[@van_ol1056]

I thought he was being ironic or even endearing when calling Blitz his "little imp" 😭 Like when you have a short partner and call them your little gnome or sth but it's clear you don't care abt how tall they are

[@LyssaJo-dw3mx]

@@van_ol1056 I believe that was his intention but it just came across as condescending. The man is very socially unaware which is understandable considering his childhood.

[@van_ol1056]

@@LyssaJo-dw3mx yeah I also believe that. For Blitz his social status is actually making him insecure. You don't make jokes abt sth that person is insecure abt. With Blitz not talking abt his feelings it doesn't help. With the sexual stuff it was pretty obvious eh was uncomfy

[@nooneinparticular1664]

the problem isn’t that Stolas is a bad dad, it’s that the showrunners want us to believe he’s doing a good job

[@odothedoll2738]

The Gangnam Style joke got me

[@imgalxe]

@@odothedoll2738 IM GLAD HAHAH

[@flarestriker2005]

Fr lmao. W song too, tons of Elementary memories 🤣

[@Dragonmongamer]

Me too.

[@Bandoras]

Honestly as someano who was raised by a single father and a single father alone, it's heartbreaking to see people defending stolas' disgusting behaviour even more when they say stolas is a good father when hes absolutely not. A good father would do anything in their power to make their children feel better if they are feeling down, a good father would prioritize their child over their god damn sex partner, a good father wouldn't spent time fighting their ex for whatever useless reason.. i feel so bad for stolas' daughter, i can't imagine the pain someano who relates to her feels when they see how the fandom sees stolas as a good father.

[@UnholyGrave834]

Anyone who said Stolaz was a good father seriously needs therapy...

[@Ghost-bp7zt]

Welp I thought he was ,but looking at things more realistically he isn't. Some people don't have good dads themselves and actually don't know what a good dad is (at least that's the case for me) .

[@k.h.production22669]

Stolas literally left his teenage daughter lost in a giant city in basically a different dimension for _hours_ because he cared more about gawking and giggling at his little boyfriend than he did searching for her, he didn't look concerned or hurried _Once_ durring the show And don't even talk about his powers being "limited in the human world" that is both stupid and a major f*cking plothole (plus a different conversation all together)

[@js8qp2pwisos]

Did he shut down like, a whole building while rescuing Blitz from the dhork agents??? Like thats literally the most powerful weve seen him and that was in the human world 😭

[@k.h.production22669]

@js8qp2pwisos No, the dhorks pushed an emergency lockdown button, and that's why the building shut down, Stolas pressed a button to deactivate the lockdown later He did, however, know Blitzos' exacts location in a different dimension, summon himself into the human world within his full demon form, _and_ create a portal back to hell all without the use of the book (which Stolas claims is the main reason for his limitation)

[@muffiechu]

When my parents divorced they cared more about telling me how awful the other one was and hating eachother than anything else. I really feel for Octavia, both parents are in the wrong

[@SpiceHoundG]

Sorry for projecting But I hope you get through this, you're not alone ❤ As someone with divorced parents and always pressured to stand up to the other parent, I feel you 😭 I'm so sorry you had to go through that, even tho I'm not forced to choose, I'm with my parents 50/50, I still feel like I'm forced to choose, my mom cares and convinces me to step out of my comfort zone and ask my dad for basic stuff that I don't have at his house, but then she goes back to shit talking him and putting me down for "defending" him And my dad has a ego that he's the best dad in the world and yet if it's not convenient or I don't kiss up to him, he will blow up on me and lash out. That's just a summarization of the toxic traits of both of my parents

[@Opalhibiscus]

You forget him saying “we” are rich and “we’re” hot, people want “our” money and “our” bodies. To Octavia.

[@Opalhibiscus]

And “the only thing the Goetia family wanted from our marriage is already seventeen so it’s over I’m done” kindve shows he was waiting for her to be 18 to leave and have his parental duties take a backseat. That’s effed up he should’ve been honest.

[@missyvespersvicepresident4462]

​@@Opalhibiscusfunny fans go off on stella for resenting her only purpose to "lay an egg" but they ignore tolas calling Octavia a thing!

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

@@missyvespersvicepresident4462 he didn’t call her a thing, he meant that the family only wanted an heir out of the marriage, nothing else

[@missyvespersvicepresident4462]

@@Cr4ving__nachøZ "the only THING in the goetia family WANTED from our marriage IS ALREADY SEVENTEEN " he is talking about Octavia, stop being dense please

[@gOat_GrandMa]

"Was for THAT GIRL to have a normal life" Im looking back at that line now

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

I think part of the reason people think of Stolas as a good dad is because he looks better than most of the dads on the show. Blitz’s dad was willing to sell Blitz to Paimon, and his reaction when he thought Paimon wanted Fizz tells you grievous bodily harm was something he fully expected to happen to whoever got sold. Moxxie’s father was also willing to kill his son and sell him for money. By comparison Stolas ignoring his daughter’s feelings but generally keeping her safe looks good. But yeah Stolas is definitely not a good dad. Especially when we can see how much Blitz cares for Loona even though she’s only his adopted daughter. I agree it would be nice to see Octavia rebel. They haven’t really shown us any interaction between Stella and Octavia. We know Stolas has no problem letting Octavia stay with her mother, because he tells Blitz that Octavia is at her mother’s when he invites Blitz over after the date at Ozzie’s, so while she may not be a great mother Stolas doesn’t consider her a threat to Octavia. We also know Octavia is upset by the divorce in general which to me suggests she has a good relationship with both parents. The only time we see Stella have any sort of negative behavior toward Octavia is when she tells Stolas to go comfort Octavia when Octavia is calling for Stella. A lot of people say this is Stella being neglectful, but she might have just had a bad night and been tired. Also I’m kind of impressed that in all of Stella’s anger towards Stolas she’s never once thought of murdering Blitz for seducing her husband even though it would probably be very easy for her.

[@HandyK902_]

The fact that Blitzø never put Someone or *ANYTHING* Above Loona is much better than Stolas Being a literal bad father to his biological daughter.

[@GLITZNGOR3]

POSSIBLE //TW// Yeah i love Stolas, but with the dirty/sexual language/words used, and just straight up talking about sex in front of Octavia. it's disgusting, unacceptable, and irresponsible, and can take a huge negative affect on the child. I speak from experience. My father has done this, and still does do this. He has shown me p*rn of cartoon characters, has used me as a sex therapist, has made sexual comments about minors in a movie we were watching, and asks my sister disgusting, and sexual questions. She is 14, I am 16. And I can say that it's taken a great toll on both of us. PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS TO YOUR KIDS.

[@Glitchhusky9304]

@@GLITZNGOR3 I'm so sorry that happened

[@MarieSarahRicky2]

Jesus, that's gross, I'm sorry that happened.

[@SymphonyDaBeanD]

i hope your okay❤

[@Flopnotes]

🫂

[@AUCreatoer]

I hate that they kinda invalidated Octavia's feelings in the 'Seeing the Stars' ep by telling her that Stolas is "trying", yeah, he tries but he continously (even if unknowingly) neglects Octavia in favor of something else that it just sucks. Atleast let Octavia feel hurt and maybe NOT forgive her dad so fast after he literally went back on his word on "Loo Loo Land"? He told her he would stay and care for her but he continues to show the exact OPPOSITE of it. Ugh. Poor Via bro.

[@Tally_Core]

THISS!! LET VIA BE MAD AT HIM IT DOESN'T NEED TO. E IMMEDIATELY RESOLVED. I'm supposed to believe the teenager with conflicting feelings over her dad is just over them and cool with him now bc older girl she barely knows said "He's trying alright." After he's literally proven he's not doing a good job at that?? It irritates me so much lol

[@AUCreatoer]

@@Tally_Core RIGHT?? LIKE LET HER BE MAD!! SHE HAS ALL THE RIGHTS TO BE MAD AFTER ALL THE SHT STOLAS PUT HER THROUGH!

[@jaykrow]

@@Tally_Core Real, I see that this is a problem in both helluva and hazbin. Lucifer's and Charlie's song was cute, but shouldn't she be a bit hesitant instantly resolving things with her father since he didn't even try to make an effort to reconnect for with her for years. Sometimes conflicts are just solved way too quickly or just completely ignored like what happened at Ozzie's between blitz and stolas and everything just suddenly everything's back to normal between them in seeing stars.

[@Tally_Core]

@@jaykrow No bc that bothered me too with Charlie and Lucifer, like he was good enough to her throughout the show to warrant that quick of a resolution. He ignored her for years and was pretty unhelpful until the finale of the show. I don't know why Vivzie can't just let conflict drag out a bit and not try and rush characters reconciling.

[@serperiorandtheanimator9216]

You know what’s sad? Lord garmadon is probably a better father to Lloyd than stolas is to Octavia. At least lord garmadon clearly cared for his son enough for him to not want to join him in evil and to be raised by good people. Like he loved his son so much despite being literally corrupted by darkness itself.

[@imgalxe]

@@serperiorandtheanimator9216 ninjago ref based

[@serperiorandtheanimator9216]

@@imgalxe hehe- also I want to point out that after lord garmadon became just garmadon and was freed from evil, he tried to be an active influence and father in Lloyd’s life. Give him his teachings that weren’t corrupted by evil. He didn’t spend his time bitching with misako, he was like “I’ve spent too long without my son it’s time I’m back in his life because I am well enough to be back in it.” Again, W garmadon, L Stolas.

[@chelonianmobile]

Swartt fucking Sixclaw was a better dad. He literally forgot Veil even existed and didn't even notice when he left him on the roadside, but he didn't go out of his way to rub his affairs in his underage kid's face in lewd language or promise to take the kid to a literally-once-in-a-lifetime event all the kid's life and then ruin it.

[@heartlake_jynx.]

NINJAGO MENTION YESSS

[@lavender_angel8213]

As a ninjago fan, THANK YOU!

[@T_E_G]

The way they always write Octavia sad as usual, then happy with her father and thinking their relationship is settled... Only for them to do it again. Like someone give Octavia some actual loving parents. Or just anyone who will treat her character right instead of the fandom and even creators hating her. Also that Gangnam style part had me weakk 😭

[@xiesie_xiesie]

Octavia's soooo getting adopted by Charlie and the crew. Still dysfunctional as heck but family

[@jonquilgemstone]

I would love for a twist of Paimon stopping in on her 18th birthday, noticing she's miserable with her family, and then giving her a new castle to move into by herself without all the drama. Then going "I'm so good at grand-daddying" and leaving once he's seen that she's content with the freedom.

[@EccoDrago]

the treatment of Octavia in HB upsets and frustrates me to no end. she is so clearly a victim of her circumstances, but the writers (*cough* Vivzie) will never truly acknowledge that, because to do so would be to criticize Stolas. so thank you for doing what the HB team won’t.

[@lavenderscavenger]

i honestly relate to octavia because of how stolas basically neglects her and cares for blitz WAY MORE than his own daughter. he is a terrible father, yet another reason why I’ve always hated him.

[@WolfthatRocks]

The truth is, Stolas is NOT a terrible father. He's not a GOOD father, or a GREAT father, but he's not a bad or terrible one. He's just a HEAVILY FLAWED father in desparate need of a wake-up call.

[@eestifan4ever]

​@@WolfthatRocks yes. He is a bad father and desperately needs a reality check. Sounds fair? You can love someone and still treat them terribly

[@aqu44mariii]

"stolas is a good dad" no, stolas is trying, but not really hard. trying doesnt mean good

[@nookiepookiedookieWHAT]

THIS‼️

[@AlfredFJones1776]

Remember when Helluva Boss was about taking contracts and going to Earth to assassinate human beings with silly antics along the way and wasn't a weird silly gay melodrama? Wish we could turn back time....To the good old Daaaaaaays.

[@srslydoatm9251]

As someone who despises Stolas, this is feeding me. Great video!

[@Flopnotes]

I love Stolas but I respect you

[@srslydoatm9251]

@@Flopnotes Thank you 😊

[@isabellazambrano6333]

I actually hadn’t realize just how utterly disgusting and disturbing that scene with Stolas f*tesizing blitz IN FRONT OF HIS MINOR DAUGHTER was… especially when the reason she’s upset in the first place IS bc of Stolas cheating on her mom with Blitz… you made such a good point calling him out for that and I just overall appreciate this video bc I used to love Stolas but I’ve only now started to realize just how much of a twisted person he really is. You said it perfectly, he quite literally prioritizes his seggsual desires over his own daughter… and that is just so sick and twisted…

[@lidis3165]

I really want Blitzø and Octavia episode, where they idk talk, and do stuff together kind of like father and daughter or smth, or just like friends.

[@imgalxe]

@lidis3165 YES THIS

[@lidis3165]

Also, i feel like with Blitzø she could talk about her problems, cause when your parents are a mess and they instantly have fights and argues with you in the picture and you hear everything, it kind of shadows your own problems and they seem not really important(know by experience), when Blitzø never actually spread the tea to Loona about him and Stolas shit as far as i remember (also he doesn't like to talk much about his problems), so he could just listen to her, give some advice. Idk i feel like they would have had really warm dynamic.

[@mariahevans6940]

Also like. Stolas being at that Blitzø hate party and I’m like “did bro forget he has a whole a$$ CHILD”

[@Cr4ving__nachøZ]

I think it was set on a weekend, maybe she's at Stella's

[@pittygamer2536]

Stolas slander is always welcomed Also thank you for explaining why he's not just a selfish character (degeneracy) but a terrible dad

[@moonstonehersisters]

FINALLY! SOMEONE IS BEING HONEST AT STOLAS' ACTS! I'm so tired of people saying that Stolas is a good dad forgetting his uncomfortable actions when he was with Octavia on Loo Loo Land. I wish Octavia had more character development, she only appears every time when she has daddy issues.

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

1:05 NGL Has much has this scene shows how much of a bad father Stolas is. Blitzs and Octavias reactions are one of the funniest gags in the show for me.

[@yintoons7807]

You can tell they tried to pull a Goofy Movie moment in the Loo Loo Land episode. You know, Goofy taking Max to a theme park while not realizing he's not a child anymore, he has different interests now. Too bad Stolas is neglectful, unlike Goofy who is a loving father who would never forget about a promise made to his kid. "Oh,but he's trying 🥺​" well he sucks at it. Can't even do the bare minimum. He's too busy chasing imp tail to be a decent father.

[@geeker6350]

I hate how Stolas' blatant parental negligence and classist fetishization of Blitzø is excused because of his 'tragic' backstory. Just because you were born in a gilded cage doesn't give you the right to entrap others in there with you.

[@imgalxe]

@@geeker6350 you’re based asf for also being subbed to Michelle McDaniel

[@CattoDerek]

“I’d rather kill myself.” Me too Octavia. Me too.

[@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669]

Someone give this girl a hug for the love of God

[@hubertberrum6242]

are you talking about Octavia?

[@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669]

@@hubertberrum6242 Yes

[@hubertberrum6242]

@@ronaldmacjokerfeliz2669 well in that case I freakin agree, give her all the hugs she needs

[@WillieManga]

I mean, Stolas already did. And so did Loona, I think.

[@venusstar2963]

That moment when you realize that Paimon and Stolas parent in the exact same way, just that Paimon's style is less sugarcoated. Hell, you can make the argument that Paimon, even while being an obviously bad person and father was still more attentive to Stolas's interests than Stolas is to Octavia's.

[@jonquilgemstone]

Paimon was busy and businesslike, Stolas just likes airing his dirty laundry out in front of his child. They are not the same. Also, Paimon never made false promises, was honest about family matters without being too emotional about it, and even put his whole day on hold when he saw Stolas was upset on his birthday. He also paid attention to what (and who) Stolas reacted positively to and responded accordingly. On top of that, he stayed with Stolas until his "new friend" was delivered, despite not wanting to deal with him. Paimon literally prioritized his child's feelings over his own for ONE DAY that we know of, and he did more for Stolas in that one day than we've seen Stolas do for Octavia through the whole series. With Stolas's pattern of behavior, his singing and apologizing was basically his pleasant way of saying "cease this bitch crying," except when Octavia is still sad afterwards he doesn't go the extra mile to make SURE she feels better. If I had to be raised by one or the other, I would pick Paimon over Stolas. And yet, the narrative wants us to coddle Stolas and use "his dad said bitch" as an excuse for how badly he treats Octavia.

[@PinkiePieSprinkles]

Imagine how amazing it would be if we find out that Stella is an amazing mother when with Octavia

[@Flopnotes]

If I'm not mistaken, Stella was abusive, correct me if I'm wrong

[@PinkiePieSprinkles]

@@Flopnotes to Stolas but never seen to be bad to Octavia

[@Flopnotes]

@@PinkiePieSprinkles we never saw what was her relationship with Octavia (except some parts in the helluva boss episodes, but it still didn't reveal her relationship with Octavia), she may be good, or abusive, but I doubt that she will be a good mother

[@PinkiePieSprinkles]

@@Flopnotes it would be a nice surprise if she was😋

[@thewhitewolf3426]

I also want to point out the writers just CAN'T write around overpowered characters. Stolas is an absolute MONSTER in terms of abilities. And yet, at every, possible, fucking, turn they pull new restrictions out of their ass just so that Stolas won't solve the plot in 5 seconds. To me it just screams that maybe the plot itself has very piss poor writing quality.

[@YeniferJustiniano]

Exactly !

[@lumiauroras6741]

That's because it has

[@draconicfeline6177]

It's bad writing masked by flashiness, cheap emotional shots, edge, and LGBT baiting

[@idk_man3491]

"H-he's trying his best though 🥺🥺" don'ttttt careereeee

[@SashiSash]

I absolutely feel TERRIBLE for her, not only is her dad selfish, aka the Loo Loo Land incident, but also how he of course, is a hypocrite, his father took him to the circus and he hated it, he took Octavia to Loo Loo Land and she hated it because she was fucking TRAUMATIZED by the Robo Fizz, and since she was a child at the time, she probably told Stolas and Stella about what happened, she looks to be around, 3-7, so that hatred and sadness stuck for like, YEARS Something else I'd like to point out is the trailer, Octavia haters are gonna go WILD because she said "You never loved mother, and you don't love me, you love HIM" even though Octavia is right, Stolas defenders and Octavia haters will join forces and absolutely HATE on a 17-18 year old girl

[@Harudodo]

How anyone can hate Octavia is wild to me. Mild dislike maybe but hate? Girlie slays

[@SashiSash]

@@Harudodo she slays so much

[@JayRedGear]

@@Harudodo She's slaying but no one wants to admit it.

[@artistanthony1007]

Umm you realize that Stolas no longer has interest or thoughts on Blitz anymore and tell me why she would believe those who didnt show love to her?

[@moonronic]

"i would really like to see that [stella and octavia interacting]" galxe you cant have a moment or god forbid an episode dedicated to developing and adding naunce to a potentially interesting dynamic between two female characters (by themselves?! without them mentioning male family/partners)! this is the deviantart yaoi show! viv will explode

[@cainesrealwife]

I was actually a massive stolas defender before I disvorced your channel but you made me see how he also did mistakes and I was a Blitzø hater before but now I understand him better actually your videos are so good I never thought I would change my opinion about Stolas and Blitzø but ur like awesomesauce at explaining things tysm

[@ghostcrackers]

One of hazbin amd helluva's main writing grievances is that charters you're supposed to like are hyper sexual and it's supposed to be funny but in the same show villaonous characters you are NOT supposed to like are on the same level of crass ness.

[@Ireneanimations-star]

I love and hate Stolas at the same time. I love him because of Bryce Pinkham's INCREDIBLE voice acting/singing and the character design, And hate him because of his personality. I agree with EVERYTHING you said in the video - Stolas is the character who had lines that made me feel very uncomfortable. I do like Stolas - he's one of my favorite characters, but I refuse to defend his actions. He is in DESPERATE need of character development. I feel so sorry for Via.. I'm looking forward to her standing up to her father in ep.12

[@SymphonyDaBeanD]

agreed, his voice actor is COOKING

[@DylanoRevs]

With all these takes, Stolas would've been a great villain for the show :D

[@hubertberrum6242]

he was gonna be one

[@Earthborn.elves.]

Honestly I feel like he’s intended to be a good dad but is a victim of ✨bad writing✨

[@FUMOANIMATOR]

stolas WILL NEVER BE A GOOD FATHER IN MY EYES, NEVER EVER EVERRR 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Dr0wn3dthesilly]

HELP THE "EYY SEXY LADYY" CAUGHT ME OFFGUARD- Also love your content- excited for your video on mastermind :)

[@messyjoy899]

I hate the fact that Octavia doesn't get any episode of her own that isn't related with Stolas in some way.

[@mysterysunfurled]

Uhh she's not a main, Blitz and Stolas are

[@messyjoy899]

@@mysterysunfurled Moxxie also isn't the main character and yet he gets episodes related to him.

[@mysterysunfurled]

Not solely to him, Truth Seekers and Ex's and oohs had him alongside Blitz, the campers episode had the plot of Blitz's sister. Besides as a member of IMP he's closer to a main character

[@messyjoy899]

@@mysterysunfurled That's is exactly what I also didn't like about those just like with LOO LOO Land and Seeing Stars. Whenever a character that isn't Blitz or Stolas gets an episode their storylines are always also half focused on them. And just because they are side characters that doesn't mean that they don't deserve at least one episode of their own especially when they play important part in the story or in the actions of the main characters. Loona at the least got more focus in Spring Broken and in entire Queen Bee episode, even if Blitz also later joined the party, and she isn't as prominent as Blitz , Stolas or the rest of IMP.

[@CamariStar]

One thing that bugs me about Stolas is that he waited a season or two to give Blitz the crystal that'll allow him to travel legally. HE KNEW Blitz was traveling ILLEGALLY with his book. He LITERALLY got caught by humans. He didn't give him the crystal for safety but to see if Blitz would still see him or not. That's so fucking selfish of him.

[@HauntedDiego]

Would it have been better if he was the antagonist? I think so.

[@SirEmuTheDapper]

apparently Stolas was originally meant to be the antag, but was shortly changed to a protag after Viv thought he and blitz would be a good couple, shitty move in my opinion

[@HauntedDiego]

@@SirEmuTheDapper same

[@Looona_fan]

​@@SirEmuTheDapper Who the hell thought that was a good idea? "Okay, so you know how I built this guy up both in design and personality to be an antagonist? I was thinking instead we could revove most of his antagonistic appeal because I want to make a woke ship."

[@SirEmuTheDapper]

@@Looona_fan idk man/gurl but I think Viv and her workers fetishise homosexuality…

[@karennieto1477]

well, at least he doesn't blame Octavia for their shitty home whatsoever I'll give him that...Watching Helluva Boss would be way more painful if it reminded me of my own parental issues

[@ThevoicesaregettinglouderTABBY]

Honestly I love this review of Octavia because as someone who has divorced parents when I first started watching Helluva and saw Octavia, I was hoping it would be handled better and that the show would feel like it's ignoring Stolas's actions towards Octavia. Anyways banger video and have a good time at Comic Con

[@ab1ga1lll]

people need to realize that stolas is not an innocent little angel. yes, he can still be a good character. but a good character needs flaws. i don’t think that he’s ignoring octavia on purpose, but he’s definitely ignorant of her feelings. he absolutely is trying, but he needs improvement. like becoming more considerate of his daughter’s emotions, and paying consistent attention to her. i hope that this was intended by vivzie, because i’d love to see him develop and become a better father.

[@NinaStory-ce5dm]

Extacly stolas was abused by his ex wife and father he don't know now to be a good dad but that don't exusce this

[@mysterysunfurled]

This I totally agree with!

[@AB-en7ee]

I don't think Stolas really cares about his daughter nor provide therapy for her I feel as if stolas is just doing this 'Dad' persona to strike his ego and feel good about himself and have some delusional way of having some kind of nice aesthetic when this is genuinely just f4cked ip

[@AB-en7ee]

*up*

[@AB-en7ee]

Stroke

[@meratra2678]

honestly that makes a lot of sense lmao

[@van_ol1056]

I don't think his daughter needs therapy just bc her parents get divorced. Bc the circumstances are gonna be the same. I think it's better for them to go to family therapy tbh. I do think he loves her a lot but this "horny for Blitz" thing for comedy is pushed into the episode too so it just ruins the relationship. He does try to talk to her and seems to care Just my opinion though

[@Willie_vroter]

You are just exaggerating stuff now

[@ilikeoreos-o7o]

Stolas is the worst helluva boss character imo. The way he acts around his daughter is so gross. I just.. can’t feel sympathy for him. Many would say Stella is the worst but at least she is actually portrayed as a villain. I can’t stand when a character who is clearly doing bad shit is written as the good guy and never properly called out. And so many people just eat it up.

[@Mohico-San]

No shit! Just like the majority of the characters from Dragon Ball.

[@epikchicken4163]

Agreed, at the very least can we get an ACTUAL apology from this tall ass bird, please.

[@Mohico-San]

@@epikchicken4163 I sure as hell hopes so.

[@AimlessOf]

Honestly, in my opinion he's no way better than Stella....i think they are both bad equally

[@Turmoil6]

Just like the characters in Dragon Ball? Do you mean Vegeta?

[@cupcakelife2362]

Honestly I'm so glad that there's Stolas Slander out here. Stolas is both a manipulator, in the form of apologizing or putting others down because of his status, and he's neglectful in the form of he doesn't even know what his own daughter likes or listens to. I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but when Blitz had to go on that sitcom, why did Stolas stick around so long? Like it probably lasted hours based on the reactions of the audience and he could've just left a few minutes in to go look for his daughter, but he was too busy simping.

[@Bard69]

1 word: Doofenshmirtz.

[@8onnie8oyz]

Elaborate

[@Bard69]

@@8onnie8oyz Doof is bsically a better version of Stolas 1. He and his wife are divorced but they don’t argue 2. He brigs Perry the Platypus along with him almost everywhere but he still tries his best to focus on Vanessa(His daughter) 3. Even when he is focused on Perry he still puts that away to focus on his daughter like the time he asked Perry to help him make his daughter birthday the best. 4. Even if he sometimes ignores his daughter he loves her no matter what and will do anything to protect like the time he lured bees away by making himself the target.

[@8onnie8oyz]

@Bard69 Definitely agree. Doof is someone who could've gone the path of being a bad dad but instead chose not to be like his parents.

[@kodzuken_yt8392]

Doof is peak villain dad, you can’t get better than him

[@littlenice-ve5pb]

justice for octavia

[@Samurai-es5wh]

Honestly, it's no wonder that Stolas was mad that blitz didn't prioritize him over loona in western energy, because he neglected Via all the time where as blitz made it a point to care for loona when needed. Also I think your wish about octavia snapping at stolas will come true because one of the lines, she says "you never loved mother, you don't love me, you love him!"

[@chelonianmobile]

Stolas literally cannot comprehend not being everyone else's priority. It's malignant egotism at its worst.

[@Samurai-es5wh]

@@chelonianmobile At this rate i'm just gonna say stella is the better parent from time to time just to be spiteful, because judging from dialogue it seems like stella actually puts in the effort to spend time wiht via on weekends

[@Antitcestarmy]

Honestly Via deserve so much better cuz Stolas is being disgusting and im glad ppl call him out for his behavior

[@coasterclimate2004]

What's made me angriest about stolas is how he was treated originally versus now. In the first season, he wanted relationships, but was a bad person and made everything about him. This made what happened in ozzie's satisfying - his actions were biting him in the ass, and he completely deserved it. But season 2 has completely rewritten it - its practically season 1 rehashed but instead, stolas is a victim, and he didn't do anything wrong - he was just trying to be happy. The problem there is that season 1 already happened, so it feels like vivzie is just gaslighting us into thinking that he is just a poor man who just wanted love and the best for his daughter, whereas in reality he was willing to sexually exploit his "lover" and neglect his daughter just so he'd feel better about himself and his own shortcomings. Most shows do move from lighthearted to serious as they go on, but they do it over multiple seasons, and complex themes are gradually introduced. Here, they were dropped on us like an anvil. And for those people saying the animation and songs are good, I say this: those things mean nothing if we don't care about the characters and the story. I used to be a fan of helluva boss, but nowadays, when I watch episodes, I watch them just once and then try to forget that they happened.

[@redtailarts101]

I've seen people make memes like "Octavia when stolas doesn't pay attention to her for 2 seconds:" and it's like... That's a gross mischaracterization. Stolas went to Loo Loo Land specifically in a poor attempt to cheer up Octavia and didn't spend hardly any time talking to her or paying attention to her. She put up with it the whole episode before leaving because Stolas flirting with Blitzø and taking her to stupid childish attractions made her uncomfortable. Then, she and Stolas had an ANNUAL TRADITION of seeing the meteor shower together that she looked forward to every year. She marked it on her calendar and drew a little picture of the meteors, her, and Stolas. But then he was so busy yelling at Stella that he forgot about their tradition and wouldn't let her get a word in. Her getting fed up so quickly is likely both due to time constraints on episodes, and because this isn't a one off incident. We don't get to see a lot of the family dynamic but I'd wager Octavia gets forgotten about and brushed aside often. She has a right to feel hurt that the annual tradition she and her father had was more important to her than it was to him, that she marked it on her calendar but Stolas managed to forget.

[@JeffersonTehCat]

And remember, he’s saying this in front of his ACE daughter

[@lumiauroras6741]

I don't the people in universe know that she's ACE, the more pushing issue is that she's a minor. Also most in my friendgroup are ACE and we talk smexually all the time...

[@Numbuh900]

Octavia really needs some fairy godparents, poor girl deserves better