ASEXUALS AREN'T LGBT? | My Thoughts on the Debate

[@TheSnowBallet]

I'm sex-repulsed asexual and I would NEVER complain about an LGBT space having people discussing sex or kissing in public or whatever. The idea that we want to change the way these spaces work is a strawman argument. I think LGBT+ sex education is important. I support the sex positivity movement. All I want is for people to grant me the same respect.

[@TheGothicRichard]

But why invade their space. Create an ace space so your voice is heard and prioritized.

[@Mel-qr5ob]

My country, the ENTIRE COUNTRY, has 100 aces. Organizing a Ace Pride, wouldn't work.

[@kathcities5863]

Gideon of the Galaxy asexuals 👏 are 👏 LGBTQ+ 👏 ✨🥰 🏳️‍🌈 and should not have to NOT be part of an lgbt group :)

[@TheGothicRichard]

@@kathcities5863 I don't see a link to LGBTQ for asexuals except for those venturing into transgender identity.

[@ethanchadwick4774]

@@TheGothicRichard they aren't heterosexual

[@jessica-mh3os]

I'm on the fence about this, I don't want to be a part of a community that just hates on people like me. That isn't what a community is for, people gatekeep too much and I'd rather keep my distance tbh

[@faaaa__]

That is my point too. And I get so frustrated of how much some of us can accept just to be able to claim that they are still part of that community. Even when the masses claim we are part of it just when it benefits their narrative of being "inclusive" but we're still being questioned and rejected on the side. I rather not have that at all. But it seems like everybody else is afraid of addressing this. I'm glad I could find another opinion similar to mine. 💜

[@ManubibiWalsh]

Good news: exclusionists are a minimal minority of the LGBTQ+ community and more than 80% LGBT+ actually got what the community is for.

[@faaaa__]

@@ManubibiWalsh Unfortunately that hasn't been my experience, I seem to encounter the "minimal minority" most of the time, and from the experiences from other Aces they feel the same. :/

[@ManubibiWalsh]

Fátima Glez you mean online or at pride or in LGBT+ spaces?

[@maximellow5745]

Yeah, same. Back when I identified as a lesbian the lgbt community was my bedrock. Now that I know I'm an asexual trans masc nonbinary person, the community just turned hostile. It's exactly the same as in cishet spaces. I get hated on, called snowflake and told I am mentally ill. No wonder people keep creating little extra communities.

[@Monaster01]

I'm asexual, aromantic, and transgender. If I still don't count as LGBT+ then whatever.

[@theviewer6889]

Same.

[@bob-uv3ls]

@@rogerwhite95 is the fact that they are aro and ace bothering you in some way? Because that makes zero fucking sense, you were just straight up rude and stating nonsense that had nothing to do with their orientation, please stfu

[@user-os3ll7ff6y]

@@rogerwhite95 "try open up to life"? you really think we *choose* to not feel romantic/sexual attraction?

[@bruh-wg8hq]

You do count. Trans is lgbtq, but also aro and ace are too.

[@xxx_assasin_xxx2312]

I'm an aroace and I'm agender do i count as lgbt or not?

[@daydream1066]

I am asexual, and yes, I am repulsed by sex. However, I am repulsed of ME engaging in activities, not other people. I know it's an essential part of just being alive, and people can do what they want (as long as it's legal and consensual!) So, not even sex repulsed aces are policing others, it seems like just an excuse to not include us because we are different. Thank you for advocating for us! :D

[@trainosaurousrex4472]

Same

[@magma90]

Same

[@dweight7891]

same

[@cradica]

Not sexually repulsed (though a bit traumatized by my experiences) and I don't believe I'm asexual though I may be aromantic

[@JhericFury]

The idea that we'd all be offended by talk of sex is hilarious. I personally find it kind of fascinating, just as long as it doesn't involve me, and obviously I'm 100% for anything that brings people joy, you wanna talk about it? Fight for it? March for it? Educate about it? I'm totally on board, just don't make me have it and we're golden.

[@gothic_nix]

Yeah, I don't mind talking and joking about sex but once I was on a LBGTQ+ group who sent pics of people having sex(like close ups of the genitals doing it) and it made me uncomfortable but when I said something I was called just a snowflake or some said I'm oppressing them and saying that I'm saying they are not allowed to express their sexuality which honestly hurt because I never meant to offend anyone but it made me soooo uncomfortable to see two people having sex.

[@RooftopRose079]

Here, here. People can talk about it all they want. I probably won't personally join the discussion because I find sex boring and chore-ish like when I was young and my mom told me to do the dishes. But if people want to-have at it!

[@AnOriginalYouTuber]

Totally. I simply don't relate to intimacy. My feelings for it are null. They don't go either way. Just please stop pressuring me into a relationship. Its really tiring trying to convince every busybody that I'm content being single.

[@wuzittooya]

It’s gotten to the point where I want to defy the LGBT community altogether. I see the same exact exclusionist behavior with truscum and transmeds. I’m tired. I’m just so tired. Im asexual and genderqueer. By definition, I am not cis or straight, therefore, I fall under the LGBT umbrella. I do not invalidate or threaten other LGBT identities simply by existing. 😞

[@AnImmortalCreator]

Wouldn't say it's as simple as that

[@lmmetal8537]

It is sad when those who have been discriminated against still choose to discriminate against others. They see being aphobic as being socially acceptable, much like homophobic once was. They fail to see the parallels.

[@denisemayosky1955]

@@lmmetal8537 It's like people can only feel "part of the group" if they have somebody else to look down on. And they don't look down on those who did it to them in the first place. They turn to "kicking down", feeling like excluding others makes them special somehow, telling them "YOU can't be part of OUR group!" Thus they become "normal", like the ones who excluded them in the first place. I mean, otherwise why would we care if we're excluded? We all want to be "part of the group", and we learn really fast that the way to be included is to be like the other members - and that entails excluding certain others who aren't "normal".

[@kpaxian6044]

Also ace...I feel like the LGBT community has a lot of in-fighting. Aces are often put in another camp because while we are by definition not straight, a lot of people who consider themselves LGBT think asexual people don't stand out as much, or something. I actually don't care about labels and I am fine with someone considering me part of the LGBT or not. ❤

[@meepmoop945]

I once had a talk (or well, discussion in insta comments) with someone who wanted to exclude aces (but thought they were valid, so they said). I tried figuring out where that came from, and it eventually came down to that they were scared someone would fake asexuality and use the LGBT communities money to then use for their selfish good and just- it was such a weird fear? If someone wanted to steal money they'd pretend to be the most stereotypical and the most accepted kind of person in a community, not someone who's hardly accepted. They were also mostly scared a bunch of straight people would pretend to be ace and then ruin the party like that. And they tried to dismiss any struggle Asexuals face. It was just... It really seemed like they didn't think aces were valid at all. All their 'doom scenarios' could happen too with bisexuality for example. It just sucked.

[@CynicalZielony]

The funny thing is there's people who actually believe that of bisexual and pan people, and there's also people who think that's true with trans people. Oddly enough, when you ask these people what they think of political lesbians, they don't seem to have a problem with them.

[@CynicalZielony]

@oof bidoof Essentially, it's women claiming to be lesbians as a form of protest. People have an issue with it for many reasons. The main one being that it implies being a lesbian is a choice. However, the types concerned of people "faking" their way into the LGBT+ never really bring them up.

[@faaaa__]

You know what is funny? that there are a lot more cases of people faking being asexual because they don't accept their real orientation because it is taboo (in their religious family for example). That pisses me off because they don't see anything wrong with doing that, and then they are like "oh no I was just gay and I knew that but I couldn't say that because people would judge me." And even I gave my honest support one time, because I know how we face difficulties for being ourselves but for them is just and quick fix for what they need in the moment. EVEN WHILE WE'RE BEING REJECTED FROM THE LGBTQ+ COMMUNITY! Isn't it crazy? for me it is anyways.

[@meepmoop945]

@@ciobalina7445 ... English is my second language and I forgot to put that phrase in quotation marks... It's a saying for as far as I'm aware. Also don't shove that narrative onto me, I'm a bi ace, but I think it says a lot that I've experienced more shit over being ace than over being bi, both from inside and outside the community (granted, I live in a country more accepting than most). Asexuals were already part of LGBT during Stonewall. I care greatly about LGBTQ+ acceptance as a whole. Don't act like you know people on the internet just from one comment

[@honeypot9867]

I know that ace people are valid (just like homosexuals, they’re basically natures way of population control) but I used think that ace people shouldn’t be included in the lgbtq community bcs none of my ace friends had been beaten so hard they were forced to switch schools, like I and my girlfriend at the time had to. I’ve since come to realize how hypocritical that way of thinking is. I had my reasons for thinking the way I did, but I was also a dumb teenager who thought they had the world figured out. My point is that most of the oppression that ace people face first comes from ignorance. Such as myself. It wasn’t until i further researched the matter that I realized my faults. And i apologize to everyone who has been discriminated against fir being ace as most of us don’t realize the damage we have done/still doing. If you have read this far, I hope you have a wonderful day❤️

[@MsRockPhantom]

Any kind of goalposts that are raised by exclusionists are met by asexuals, but the goalposts are moved constantly, just to make sure we'll never be included. Being LGBT or not is a moot point anyway. Nobody is going there because they think it's cool, the only thing that is in common with everyone in the community is that we are rejected from the 'norm' of cisheteronormativity. And we definitely are, just by being asexual. I completely agree with your point that we should stop engaging in this pointless debate and just make sure we help each other (asexuals and the overarching LGBT community). There is no authority on who is in the group, but if we help we are a part of it, it's that simple. People keep clutching their pearls over the resources we supposedly take up but they never think about what we bring to the table. We are more people than anyone believes. Some of us have financial resources they can invest in LGBT issues, some of us can organise events or services that will help everyone involved. We are not just beggars for help. Though we need help from a bigger group to get our voices heard, we are also valuable members to have. This is also disregarding the fact that a lot of us are LGBT is additional ways to being asexual also.

[@nonbinarybeauty]

This part

[@zeefaaldown3231]

💕

[@faaaa__]

Preach!

[@peachiichipchiii]

Which goalposts exactly?

[@MsRockPhantom]

@@peachiichipchiii exclusionists have changed the definition of what it means to be LGBT+ multiple times to exclude aces in particular (though they use the same methods on bi pan and nb people too). First it was : "we don't have a problem with asexuals, just the heteroromantic ones" which was already shitty enough. Then they added aromantics to that, then they decided that people who just used asexual as a label without specifying whether they were queer in other ways had to be out also. They also began to say that asexuals had no history in the community and they were new additions and taking up space for no reason. They also said we face no oppression or difficulty from being ace. And when they were met with sourced rebuttals to their arguments, they decided to come clean and just claim that asexuals in general were not LGBT+, and that they needed to stop taking up resources. As I said in the original comment, the goalposts changed a lot during the entire debate, and were met each and every time by asexual people. We are rejected by cishetero society for 'just' being asexual (yes even when we're heteroromantic), we have had a history in the community, we are queer because we are asexual and we don't need to prove we're queer in any other way to deserve a pass (this is also true for people who are 'just' aromantic btw). We face discrimination, erasure and pain at the hands of society. And we need resources to help us. But as I also said, we are here as members of the community to help also. We can provide help to our siblings in the ace community and in the queer community in general.

[@atree4487]

Someone (a friend who is pansexual) once told me that asexuals aren’t part of the LGBT+ community because it wasn’t discriminated against and that it was basically just being straight. As an aro asexual, I was really confused and hurt because, while I know I don’t face systematic oppression like they do, I still have people constantly telling me that I shouldn’t quit it before I hit it, ill find the right person eventually, I’m just making stuff up, there’s no such thing, etc. also, asexuality was literally considered a mental disorder until 2013 when it was taken out of the DSM-V

[@trainosaurousrex4472]

Exactly! A lot of us have been told this stuff for our entire lives knowing full well it ain’t gonna happen. Only to be told that we don’t face any kind of issues for it as people are saying that they’re literally proving the point!

[@tn420animations9]

Your friend is right

[@tn420animations9]

Um they are not proving any points you are not oppressed yall try to compare it with what trans and gay people face

[@erectilereptile7383]

asexual women have it worse than men, hot take

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

@ErectileReptile, wow, how sweet, I’ve always viewed Asexual males as having more problems than Asexual females. They are always trying to pretend you guys are Gay. Look at poor T.E. Lawrence, they often put him down as gay despite him know G. Bernard Shaw who could have easily hooked him up with Oscar Wilde, Also Francis of Assisi, everyone insists he got laid during his soldier years. Going off to live in a cave, having pets for best friends, definitely they’ll say he got laid.

[@conduite6721]

Mate, you mean a lot to me. I can be very insecure and sometimes I feel like I'm not valid, but you remember me that I am very much a worth person!! Thank you mate!

[@johannes2650]

remind* sorry, not sorry

[@conduite6721]

@@johannes2650 Sorry, I'm still learning english. Had no idea I had to use remind there. Thanks!

[@ksdtsubfil6840]

Not sure if I'm too late here, but as an LGBT+ person I think Asexuality IS part of the LGBT+. Asexuality is not a choice, therefore it is different from celibacy, and there is some kind of gender instability in being ace because it's not cis-het conforming.

[@thatonemoonboy]

I'm Asexual and sex-repulsed but if I saw something about sex I wouldn't complain at all, I would just leave. And I absolutely think Ace people belong in LGBT+ because that's literally the thing for different orientations than straight, and we aren't straight. (Not saying that straight people should be excluded from LGBT+, just saying they are not LGBT+ theirselves)

[@TheGothicRichard]

Are aces discriminated against anywhere?

[@JeppeBeier]

Gideon of the Galaxy yes

[@WellPreparedTreeFrog]

Malakai Zodak Yep, actually. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2bKeYN-mr98h7c

[@NoxAtlas]

@@TheGothicRichard I can tell from experience that discrimination against asexuals exist. Psychologists do believe that a lack of sexual attraction is a mental illness or based on a trauma like sexual abuse during childhood. And there is a reason why the term "aphobia" exists: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_asexual_people

[@lavendermeadow1381]

I'm an asexual woman who works as a psychologist/psychotherapist and can confirm, asexuality is not a disorder. PEOPLE: If any therapist tells you otherwise and relentlessly questions your sexual orientation even though you know it is not the result of a traumatic event etc., I'd highly recommend you to get out of there ASAP. I would never question a clients (a)sexuality. That being said, I have met people who deem it "unnatural", or called me a "prude straight" with "no sex drive" and excluded me from the LGBT+ community, and I agree: 'Acephobia' is sadly (still) a thing. 😞

[@rowena7892]

I think part of why LGBT exclusionists go so hard on this argument is that they think homophobia/transphobia is The Problem, where in actual fact it is a symptom of the wider problem - Hetero/Cissexism. As in the sytsem that gives birth to all discrimination faced by those who don't fit the standard of "Normal Sexual Behaviour". So when you have a group that is only considering experiences that look like theirs they end up dismissing a lot of nuanced experience and discussion as 'not relevent'. This is where we get the idea that the community is only about facing homophobia and transphobia. I see it in regards to ace people but I also see it a lot in regards to Bi people in M/F relationships or aimed at NB people.

[@briarblack8442]

Rowena ^^^

[@seatheparade]

100% this!

[@lauriekruczek]

Plenty of hetero asexuals.

[@fruitcxkes9932]

I'm asexual and sex-repulsed, and I'm genuinely sick of seeing people saying we don't face discrimination and don't belong in LGBT. We do face it, yet we get ignored and pushed out of the very community that is supposed to make us feel safe. It feels like we're stuck in the middle. We can't live normally because people view us as "mentally ill" but we can't go to the LGBT community, because a lot of them say we "don't face oppression" and that we are "basically straight". It can feel lonely. I'm glad that there are LGBT people who say we are part of it, but from those who say we aren't LGBT, it gets lonely.

[@gothic_nix]

I feel the same. I want to be part of some group that will protect me and give me support. I was on a WhatsApp group for LBGTQ+ people and even there I was questioned if I'm truly asexual because I'm on antidepressants and the contraceptive pill for horrible period pains and irregular periods and not to talk about they would spread pornographic images (close ups of people's genitals while having sex) and when I said it makes me uncomfortable I would get attacked and told that I'm oppressing them and saying they can't express their sexuality.

[@AnOriginalYouTuber]

@@gothic_nix Asexuals possibly could seem strange and foreign. The identity is not fueled by feelings like straight or LGBTQ+ people's. I recently started learning about the community and there's not much hostility here. While that's awesome for me, its not very useful in a culture war I'd assume.

[@honeypot9867]

I’m gay, so obviously I have no idea what it’s like to be discriminated for being ace, but if I had to guess the reason, I would think that people say that your not simply because acesexuality is a fairly new term so the discrimination you face isn’t really reported on in the same way that discrimination against gays is. Idk if that makes sense, I just wanted to give a new perspective. It’s mainly ignorance that drives discrimination. It’s sad but true, there’s so little science that backs acesexualality so few people actual know and understand what it is

[@AnaLu07]

@@honeypot9867 Thank you for your support. Our discrimination is not the same as other lgbtq+,but that doesn't mean we don't suffer prejudice. For example, i'm heteroromantic,and people wouldn't look different at me by holding hands with my boyfriend (if i had a boyfriend). But when you say you are asexual, people immediately start making assumptions about you, like: We were abused or had a trauma,we have mental illness, we have hormonal disorders, they ask if we have genital organs,or too personal stuff ("do you masturbate?",for example), they invalidate us saying that we are lying, or that it's impossible or we just "haven't found the right person". Also, the asexuals who are romantic are afraid we will never be loved. The ones who are bi or pan have more chances, but i'm heteroromantic, i'll never get a boyfriend!!Since guys only care about sex. I'll never be loved. As a romantic, this hurts.

[@honeypot9867]

@@AnaLu07 oh no that’s not true. It won’t be easy but you’ll definitely find someone💛 I’m so sorry to hear the things you face, like I said it’s mainly ignorance. But if you keep fighting the good fight and keeping your head as high up as you can at this moment I’m sure it won’t be to long before you meet someone. Stay strong ☺️💛

[@macguffinmuffin1156]

I think we're at a point where a "LGBT" category just doesn't cut it anymore. The term gender/sexual/romantic minority (GSRM) is more inclusive and also does descriptiv a better job.

[@denisemayosky1955]

That is much better! You'll probably still have whinybabies crying that that isn't "exclusive" enough, but...oh well!

[@lprocks555]

LOVE it when people want to exclude aces from the lgbt+ community/pride but are totally fine with brands showing up with their rainbow logos and meaningless gestures of support just to sell overpriced pride-themed products (instead of, i dunno, actually hiring lgbt+ people?). the more corporations get involved with pride, the more expensive it becomes to celebrate it, until it's just a handful of rich white people paying a fortune to see their favorite pop star perform. because that's TOTALLY what stonewall was about

[@faaaa__]

Amen to that

[@heatweve]

say it louder!! anticapitalist aces unite

[@niamhart221]

I'm asexual and I don't see myself as LGBT, especially being heteroromantic myself. I don't really want to be LGBT to be honest, and I just can't be bothered with it because I'm just tired of it you know? I still see myself an ally though.

[@faaaa__]

Because it doesn't feel like a welcoming place, which is sad.

[@lillustpotion]

Exactly. I'm an aromantic ace and go through life presenting as a heterossexual woman. I don't feel like I am accepted in the ace space (I'm not 'tumblr edgy' etc etc) and don't really want to beg to be accepted into a club that doesn't want me. I'll live and die an ally but that's it for me.

[@honeypot9867]

@@faaaa__ unfortunately, there is no such thing as a 100% welcoming community or at least I’ve never found one. It’s sad to think really, but anyone with an ounce of common sense would never say You don’t belong in the community because your ace and therefor don’t experience sexual attraction the same way someone else would. I hope the community grows more welcoming and understanding for you❤️

[@xxx_assasin_xxx2312]

I'm an aroace agender am i lgbt+?

[@cradica]

I think I may be the opposite, aromantic heterosexual.

[@TaeNi95]

For example: A gay person in a hetero and non-accepting family will feel alienated when his brothers will talk about fckn a girl and talking all sexual about girls in general. Maybe the dad makes jokes about not having a girlfriend yet. Maybe the mother expects grandchildren soon. All this pressure. And the need to come out. BIG PLOT TWIST: Asexuals feel the same pressure. My grandparents always ask me to bring my boyfriend. They say they had their first kid my age. My mum thinks it's a phase and that I will like men. My colleagues talk weird ass shit about sex that I don't even wanna hear it' so private and intimate - and I am always afraid they will ask me stuff... About sex and relationships that *I don't have*. So I can identify wayyy more with anyone NOT heterosexual (for example gays) - because I am also NOT hetero.

[@dionysus913]

Dear LGBTQ+ Community, I know that there may be some clashes between us sometimes, but I want you people to know that we love you and don’t mean you any harm. We just want to be accepted, just like you. Think about it this way; We may only be 1 percent of the population, but we’re still 70 million strong. That’s almost 70 times the United States Army! So, it would be mutually beneficial for us to work together!

[@N3k0Y0m1]

Well.. In my opinion, they are. If there not accept by some people and have many misconceptions about.. Then It deserves to be in the LGBTQ+ community, people like you are valid and do not deserve these things! Ace or not I support you, I'm not ace, but I support you people! :0>

[@pearlescen]

What confuses me is how the community bases their argument on struggles? lgbt+ is about sexualities! Why should struggling even matter? And also how they jump into this argument with no proof either. 1, your not an asexual, you can’t tell us whether we struggle or not. 2, if you did some research you would find out that we probably get more hate then any other lgbt+ member. 3, you’re literally making us struggle right now, so your being a hypocrite.

[@EcholocationX]

They really think this is the opression olympiade...

[@pearlescen]

@@EcholocationX ikr

[@RooftopRose079]

Everyone has to measure their angst and oppression these days and make you just as miserable as them.

[@tineke4134]

Exactly! LGBTQ+ is supposed to be a safe space where non-heteronormative people can understand each other’s struggles. Just like any other non-heteronormative people, asexuals have been told it’s a phase, you’ll get over it, you haven’t found the right person yet, etc. we’ve felt like something is wrong with us because it’s not the “norm.” I know that asexuals don’t face the same kind of oppression as other identities, but, imo, a lot of the experiences are similar.

[@locolectrix]

"More hate than any other lgbt+ member"? I'm sorry but I missed the part where people are forced to be sexually active and face severe legal and societal consequences if they are not up to and including the death penalty. You're pretty much free to not have all the sex that you don't want. I also have never heared of people going after Asexuals like "They are asexual, lets beat them up!" while this happens with LGBT all the time and all across the world and literally on this low level of "reasoning". By all means, be Asexual and feel comfortable doing so, but you're pretty much your own community.

[@verticagg2840]

Loving what you've got to say and appreciate hearing your perspective. As we fight transandry and other bigotries, Ace' struggle is equally valid, and none are free until all are free. Just found this via lbgt subreddit and just wanted to say love your style and especially the Baphy shirt!

[@faaaa__]

Thank you for opening the conversation. I never knew people felt like me about feeling rejected by the community and not even wanting to be a part of it until I saw this video and read some comments.

[@blackcatbunchie]

One of the crappy things about discovering that I was ace was I found out who I was during a huge ace exclusion effort online. Even major nb and trans mutuals I followed was some degree of acephobic, and gave out word for word, "aces take up resources and space/distract issues from real LGBT problems/speak over other identities" I can't begin to describe how disinclusion felt so bad. Just when I had started the discovery, something I'd become excited about. However, joining pride events in public seeing other ace and aros out there, with their allies and fellow members, seeing how you aren't excluded was the remedy to that pain. The big thing I learned is that online can be available and at demand but bad for aces, but effort to be irl, in public spaces with lgbt marches is where all that exclusion dies.

[@scrappykoko4871]

There 's so much toxicity in social media

[@vriannewojtowicz8408]

it doesn’t make any sense to me, as an asexual lesbian, the notion that aro/ace ppl aren’t a part of the community? i really don’t get it. people explain it to me, but their reasoning sounds…stupid, honestly. i’m proud of both of my identities. 💜🖤🤍

[@trilliumi2082]

We just want to have a place in the world and to be known.

[@wiktoriaf3388]

I've learnt so much about sexuality and atraction from asexual community!

[@thereebstir9572]

I mean like if you wanna talk about kissing and stuff, good for you man. As an ace, and aro, I dont really care if y'all talk about it. Heck I ship my own ocs, so like I don't wanna participate in anything like that. Tldr: As an ace and aro, I dont really mind if yall kiss and stuff.

[@sophbliss]

I'm transitioning to female, bi, but also I'm ace and that's important to me. If it's not LGBT that doesn't make sense to me. Some people lose libido on hormones, and I have a low libido to begin with.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Hi! You’re welcome here!

[@ADevilFromHeaven]

Thank you

[@ZeTrystan]

I appreciate your energy. The ''they will log out and not care but you will think about it all day'' sure is a great perspective to just... ignore bullshit opinion of non-important people.

[@lawrnc]

Interesting! It resonated with me, as a bisexual guy, about seeing sexuality outside heteronormativity, as I think also among gay men we need to have deeper conversation about sexuality and our expectations. I'll defintiely try to ind out more about asexuality

[@doukzu]

I've always thought it weird that some people try to say ace people aren't lgbt. They make a point of oppression, without realizing aces do experience oppression even if not to the same degree, and by gatekeeping, are partaking in this oppression. That and while I technically am lgbt regardless of my asexuality due to being agender/nonbinary, when I do go to pride I focus on my asexuality as it feels like the most important part to myself in terms of my identities. So it contradicts itself for people to say that ace people can't be part of lgbt but then have ace trans/homoromantic/etc. people waving the flag around in pride and being fine with it because those people are lgbt in other ways, yknow?

[@adreinlobby9826]

I was looking for black alt channels and found yours! I love your vibe and I’m also ace so this feels like a lucky charm

[@rancors1]

I think people should do anything sexual and legal that they desire. It's not my place to judge that. BEING judged for not wanting sex is another matter. Don't try and put people under your umbrella if you can't respect their differences. No one likes a two faced hypocrite.

[@nkelly5851]

Thanks for sharing your voice on this topic! You had some wonderful thoughts. And nice look by the way, your taste in makeup and clothes is excellent!

[@zayzay544]

Missed you and love your videos ❤ have learned a lot from you

[@zo4658]

I remember someone linked me an article about why aces shouldn’t be included and one of the “points” was we would take away lgbt specific resources (suicide hotline calls, homeless shelters etc.) and I just thought to myself how stupid that was. Like who are we to decide who takes priority over who based on their sexuality and just because someone’s ace that means they don’t deserve help as much as the next person with those issues

[@libby_lue]

Aces also have some of the highest suicide rates in the community, so the argument falls flat because of that too lol.

[@lawrnc]

Really well articulated! It's not a zero sum game, there should should be space in the community

[@honeypot9867]

I tried to do a little more research on the science behind being asexual ( just my general curiosity) and I was very disappointed to find nothing but personal responses. I put the same questions into google but changed asexual to homosexual and found all The science behind why homosexuality is common in all animals. ( it’s a form of nature’s population control if you were curious) but absolutely nothing on asexuality. How are we suppose to expect those who are misinformed about asexuality to understand when there’s no information out there that is backed by any science. Does anyone have any good articles, I would love to read them. Also any personal stories are valid, (obviously) but that’s just not what I was looking for ❤️

[@ManubibiWalsh]

Absolutely. And to think I used to feel sick, get massive bouts of anxiety, lose sleep and feel my anxiety flaring up whenever I ran across a dumb exclusionist teenager on tumblr... now it's just hilarious. Like every time I read something to the effect of "aces aren't LGBT" I imagine them having some kind of idea that there's a global LGBT HQ and that the LGBT community is some corporate entity with a CEO and members get their own VIP card... it's ridiculous, it's like "oh yeah, you think I can't come at pride? Like you can stop me? You and what army?" LMFAO. I'm LGBT, yeehaw, whatever. I don't care what some random nobody on the internet thinks about it, it's a fact and they're gonna have to suck it up and be quiet about it. LGBT organizations and bigwigs are including us (thanks to the effort of people like you and other activists!) so I'm really not concerned at all. Nowadays what I do is read essays on the asexual perspective and how radically different it is from everyone else's and asexuality applied to queer studies, I think that's billions of times more interesting than whatever bullshit "discourse" some insecure teenagers spend their whole days getting so upset about. Their battle is lost anyway, so whatever. They can eat my shit.

[@char932]

if ur straight and cis ur actively shutting down lgbt people's voices so don't even think about calling yourself an ally stop trying to crawl into our community if you aren't even gonna listen to us

[@scoobydollar638]

@@char932 oi shut it, I'm an NB panromantic asexual, not all asexuals are heteroromantic >:/

[@char932]

Scoobydollar the way i never said that...if you’re attracted to the same gender and/or not cis then youre lgbt but if youre neither of those then ur not lgbt that’s all i said

[@ManubibiWalsh]

char you think I give a shit for some white teen’s opinion? Think again. Lmao

[@JeppeBeier]

char how is anyone oppressing you by being asexual? And being asexual does matter as a normal relationship often isn’t possible. We also live in a world where sex means so much a lot of people get bullied for being virgin even if it’s by choice, so dismissing asexuality as not having any problems is just ignorant.

[@silvia-90_]

I think we should have our own community, and somehow we do, the problem is that we are a small group of people.

[@denisemayosky1955]

Exactly! There's strength in numbers. To relegate us to the side is to say "You're on your own. Good luck getting anyone to listen to or care about you!"

[@gotoil4819]

You're a very good conversationalist. I appreciate your posts.

[@JaneBergPhotography]

love this, thanks for speaking out 💗💗💗

[@zesucculent7564]

i know i'm late to this video, since it's been over a year, but watching this has actually made me cry tears of joy bc finally! after all this time, i managed to come across an actual asexual who talks about this issue in depth :') for context : i am panromantic asexual - i cannot feel sexual attraction to others (with aesthetic attraction in its place instead) but i am romantically attracted to anyone regardless of gender (meaning, i'd love to date them regardless of who they are) normally i can handle the comments from people outside the community, but when it comes from within, it just hurts?? so much?? it's absolutely painful to see that the space that we thought was safe just tries to invalidate us :((( (thankfully most of my friends are LGBTQIA++ and are completely supportive of me, and vice versa since we're all comprised of different gender identities and sexual orientations, so asexuality is no stranger to us despite me being the only ace in the group :)) for the people who talk about the "oppression olympics" and that we weren't oppressed enough - that is completely false because : 1) you're doing it right now 2) the reason why you can't see it is because people fail to acknowledge asexuality, and thus it becomes "invisible" 3) i'm am most definitely sure that there were alot of asexuals (most especially applies to aromantics) that were forced to get married and procreate, despite that not being their wishes honestly, i think the "oppression olympics" is inherently stupid in this case, since i'm pretty sure everyone in the LGBTQIA++ community has faced some sort of oppression and not only that, it completely invalidates the suffering of others. also this issue is literally just biphobia but for asexuals, and unfortunately also happens to others who are pan, non-binary, agender, etc. (don't even get me started on the demisexuals and the problems they face as well) honestly we should just try to help each other out. rather than using our built up hatred from our oppression to gatekeep and invalidate others, we should use it to understand them more and because we have experienced this sort of bigotry, we should know what it feels like to be invalidated by others and not commit the same mistakes like absolute hypocrites. once again, thank you for this video 🖤💜🖤💜🖤💜🖤💜

[@cradica]

I'm kind of the opposite I feel sexual attraction (primarily of the opposite sex) though beyond appearce wise I don't think I've ever fallen in love with anyone. Though I'm still open to it.

[@alegria1813]

I really appreciate your aesthetic

[@lemoncakesandmoonpies]

Thank you for this. I used to use the ace label, but I can see now where some of my issues were misguided and built on misconceptions. Still learning but thank you

[@cradica]

Same

[@kageakuma3009]

I agree with you 100%, it took me years to realize I was asexual. I'm sort of what you could call sex repulsed, but my opinion on that is that's only when it deals with me. Other people what they like to do in private as long as it is consensual.

[@0racle.sunrise3570]

Considering that some asexual or ace-spec people are lesbian, gay, bi or/& transgender, yes we are LGBT. I mean, here I am, a biromantic ace-spec.

[@cfergusonyogi]

Thank you for saying what needs said so eloquently

[@The_Savvy_Satyr]

I just want to say thank you for this.

[@johnnydeppaddict12]

+Yasmin Benoit Thank you so much for your thoughts on this! :)

[@MilaBelen]

Perfect video, also I LOVE the way you look and talk 💖 💖

[@turquoise_sky]

The definition of queer, from Oxford: “denoting or relating to a sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality and gender, especially heterosexual norms.” Based on this, ace people are queer. As an aroace, I consider myself queer. I have faced questions from friends, family and coworkers as to my sexuality, including being asked “what’s wrong with you.” I have lied about non-existent boyfriends to try to fit in, and be “normal”. No one can tell me I’m not queer and don’t belong under the rainbow.

[@cradica]

I believe I am aromantic heterosexual (and least given as far as I know about sexuality) so would I qualify as queer?

[@daqueenbobo]

@@cradica I guess. But I understand if people would be peeved if you were the main speaker at a Pride event, you know? Not because you dont experience discrimination. Just because you dont really share the same history, needs, space etc. For many lgbt people, straigt cis people have been the cause of so much trauma.

[@barryledgister4496]

@@daqueenbobo I think he`s saying aromantic and asexual identities do exist within heterosexuality...so these identities aren`t `queer` by that definition. Homosexuality is queer because it doesn`t exist within hetersexuality. Most of the `queer` identities can exist within heterosexuality...non-binary, demisexuality, bigender and agender...they are not outside hetero identity.

[@wallaceshawn-zk8iw]

I'm Aro/Ace so many would consider me Queer

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

Hey just subbed to you. I am trying to learn more about my asexuality and was recommended to your channel. Good video!

[@Lina-cj8rf]

Its so weird how people exclude us because we are less oppressed . Yes we are less oppressed but thats only because we are fortunate enough that being asexual is just way more lowkey. People usually dont straight up ask you how often a week you have sex or who in the office you would like to fuck. But believe me if being asexual would somehow be way more obvious people would hate on us just as much as the rest of LGBTQ. Most of us arent able to come out to a large part of our family and acquaintances. I wouldnt even take a risk to tell my parents. No I wouldnt even think about doing that to begin with. How can you not be oppressed if you arent able to freely show everyone you know who you really are? A lot of us are also living and pretending to be something we are not to hopefully live in peace. Just today in the asexual reddit community I read yet another comment from a dude telling us he is so sorry for us because we are unable to experience something as beautiful as sex and we should get therapy.

[@Amphitera]

agree 100%. You can't oppress something that isn't really visible. Aces do get hate, maybe even more so in my experience. And it would be even worse if more people knew aces do exist.

[@elizabethfrootloop7814]

Hey some of us are trans and ace. Glad for us all to work together.

[@laurieberry4814]

I work at Giant. It’s LBGT friendly. But not asexual friendly. No one has anything nice to say about me. I don’t care. If they feel that asexual is illegal, then ha ha ha. That is nonsense. People treat me like I am mean. So am sorry that you’re hurt that I don’t get turned on.

[@LightestKing]

Personally I understand the feelings of asexual people and them just wanting to have a sense of community but I just don't feel like that community is the LGBT, historically and legally asexuals don't face the same discrimination or issues that progressed gay rights, you're not legally forced to kiss someone, have children, or have a sexual relationship with another person. While gays have been forced out of marriages and forced to hide their Truth for fear of being killed. The kind of "discrimination" that asexuals experience is at the hand of families and people believing in societal standards of relationships, that's not the same as being discriminated though. Asexuals and aromantics just don't deal with the same things that the LGBT+ community represent. And the idea that the queer community need to accept any and EVERY deviation from societal norms regarding sexuality and marriage is just stupid.

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

You've not had people tell you that your identity isn't real. That's what we have to put up with. No one denies the existence of gay people after all. And look at all the straight people and celebrities that want to be your allies. They don't lend their support to us. Look at all the representation you get. Gay characters in almost every tv show and movie. The DSM didn't gaslight your community and label your identity hypoactive sexual arousal disorder. Then there's the fact that aces are more likely to be virgins and there's lots of virgin shaming in the world. We end up conflated with incels since most of us are single too.

[@alltimebubble7837]

I agree fully!

[@ystava686]

Thank you for this video.

[@tvfantatic3957]

Hi, I just discovered your channel and I love your content. It makes me feel like I'm not as alone as I had believed, especially since I just discovered my Asexuality more recently. My mom told me the other day that I should become an activist for Asexuality, because I was ranting to her, and that's actually something I would love to do. But I have no idea how. Do you have any suggestions?

[@theviewer6889]

See if there are any local asexual groups you can join. If not, see if you can start one.

[@tvfantatic3957]

@@theviewer6889. Thanks.

[@pavlinazitkova]

Great video. 👍🏻👏🏻

[@dcfan1939]

Your accent is amazing, what is it? It sounds simultaneously Amer and Brit

[@tannisarkar8334]

i agree with you.

[@newestbarbee3250]

Do u plan to be childfree for life or any type of consideration towards having kids. Btw great content!

[@trainosaurousrex4472]

I’m an acearo and according to some people that still makes me hetero?

[@anjachan]

its not really a "normal" love life. So I would say it is lgbt. But in the end ... everyone can have their own opinion. no one should get hate because of that.

[@AnOriginalYouTuber]

I don't want to get involved with the hostility nor coddling. The harassment and uninformed concern can get a bit tiring however.

[@lloroshastar6347]

LGBTQA+ is a statement, it means that anyone who isn't heterosexual is united in how they have been oppressed by a society that is trying to normalise heterosexuality or even in some extreme cases criminalise anything that isn't heterosexual. Asexual people aren't heterosexual so they fit that demographic, it's as simple as that. Those who are trying to exclude asexual people are no different to the people who identify as LGB, a group that believe not being heterosexual exclusively means being lesbian, gay or bisexual. The majority of people who do this however are anti-trans and only really identify as LGB to publicly hate trans people.

[@denisemayosky1955]

Exactly! They're siding with the haters to say in essence "Yeah, THOSE people don't belong cuz they're not acceptable! Can I be part of the 'cool kids' now? Can I? Huh? Huh?"

[@paull.rogers4562]

Should we be included? Yes. Should we force ourselves in a group and spend our money trying to fit in? For me, no. It will be safer for others that I don’t. I’m ace but I’m also that guy people don’t want to confront. If I’m not invited to a party it’s best I stay home.

[@QWERTY-gp8fd]

go include urself. i am ace NOT gay.

[@nyannyan8402]

All l got to say is......thank u

[@ZerryBerrytheSpaceRaccoon]

As an aroace, I honestly just prefer literally anything over being smexually active. That doesn't mean I hate the concept of the naughty stuff. Like the sultry activities are nice and all, but video games, drawing, and being greeted by a cute dog are much cooler. :)

[@1973Washu]

50 years ago you would have been pushed into being a nun or a priest if you were ace , it was seen as being one of the signs of a 'vocation'.

[@ElleNullVoid]

Are you British or American? You have traces of both in your accent.

[@AnImmortalCreator]

Well The lgbtq+ community is about gender, gender transition, gender attraction. So to me I wouldn't say the absence of attraction in certain regards is a part of it? All I know is that there is a new community for people that are on the aro/Ace spectrum

[@AnImmortalCreator]

Also being non-cis and not hetero doesn't make you automatically lgbtq+ for those people that say it

[@أأسماء-ج5ع]

Well if you're asexual you can identify as lgbtq or not

[@terrancenash5726]

You’re pretty

[@pawified]

I'm ace + Straight and I don't belong to LGBTQ because I'm straight + ace ?

[@junkoenoshima2756]

Well you aren't allosexual (opposite of asexual) so you are in the community

[@cradica]

Well I'm aro + straight. Do I belong?

[@daqueenbobo]

@@cradica If you want to I guess. I just dont think most lgbt peolpe would feel much of a kinship with you(unless they are ace+another identity). You still matter tho and if you really want to belong, then its probably because you need it.

[@cradica]

@@daqueenbobo I remember someone saying that simply saying asexuals aren't LGBT because they are oppressed is discriminating against them

[@nightskystars0762]

I think the reason a lot of people exclude asexuals from lgbt is because people say asexuality is a spectrum and make so many sexualities where u can develop sexual attraction and romantic attraction like demisexuality. Idk if demisexuality is real or not but nowadays people who are completely normal and experience sexual attraction like the majority take on the label demisexuality to seem "moral" and claim to be lgbt. There are also tons of sexual orientations other than demisexuality now in the ace spectrum where u do experience sexual attraction and it's clear that ur allo but cishets claim those labels and use lgbt specific slurs and act like they're lgbt. Idk sometimes I don't think asexuality should be a spectrum.

[@cary9479]

Why not? Demisexuality for example meen that you don't feel any sexual attraction without a bond so you are completly asexual if you don't have this bond. It doesn't meen tgat you want to wait ore tgat you say sex only if you are in a relationship becouse this people feel sexual attraction but choose not to react on that. And I don't think anyone wants negative attention. By the way, demisexuality also exists among homosexuals.

[@nightskystars0762]

@@cary9479 you're not lgbt just for being Demi lol. This community is not a joke

[@cary9479]

@@nightskystars0762 I never said that it this community is a joke bit demisexualoty isn't normal they are the most of the time asexual it is like you would say that bisexuality isn't lgbt+ becouse they could be attracted to the opposite gender.

[@cary9479]

@Fallen Fellows No. Drmisexuality means that you aren't sexualy attracted to anyone if you don't have a strong emotional conection with someone. And Pansexuality means that you are attracted to all genders but the gender of this person doesn't influence the attraction bit bisexuality only means that you are attracted to the two binary genders.

[@nightskystars0762]

@Fallen Fellows uhh what did u just say? Bisexuality can be attracted to all genders. It's been defined that way for more than a century before pan label ever existed. I am bi and I am attracted to all genders. Also ur pan definition makes no sense lol. Wtf is "gender has an influence"? Please stop being biphobic and using biphobic definitions to define bisexuality. Just because there's a prefix "bi" doesn't mean it is limited to two

[@sadgurlpodcast___7692]

FACT

[@SallyLock103emeCaris]

[@bg6b7bft]

You;re going to go in and bring the mood down? Nah, mate. I'm not Vegan.

[@kallamarsspouse]

Can you leave vegans alone. Most of them say nothing about their eating habits. What do you get out of being rude to them? (I'm not a vegan by the way.)

[@Amphitera]

thinking every veggie will preach about their diet is a stereotype. But hating on them seems to be en vogue right now. how about we teach ALL people not to preach their personal beliefs to others? that includes all ideology/religion followers.

[@grantflippin7808]

Ace here. Can we not. I don't want this. My ace friends don't want this.

[@CyborgNinja7]

This woman is deeply disturbed.

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

You are.

[@BPEJS24-7]

I've never understood the inclusion of asexuals into the community. why does there even have to be a "community" for everyone anyway? are we really THAT insecure that we need encouragement for ourselves from loads of other people? if we were really proud or comfortable with ourselves, we wouldn't be baiting for acceptance wanting to make everything about us. now having said that, I personally don't believe that Aces should be included because it's a completely different stance. there is intimacy involved in other orientations, there is none in asexuality. personally, due to the misconceptions, ignorance, and out-of-place and unnecessary inclusion into the LGBT+ community, I have somewhat denounced the ace-related terms. from a drive/desire/interest perspective, sure.. no interest, no drive, no desire. but from a natural/innate/philosophy/belief perspective, I am 100% anti-sexual and sex-repulsed. I feel most other orientations are disrespectful and have an unhealthy herding instinct and conform to too many stereotypes and are rather obnoxious, even when claiming "inclusiveness and diversity and acceptance". making themselves out to appear hypocritical. I believe in order to be truly Asexual, Aromantic, or even Anti-Sex such as me, you must also be an individualist and somewhat misanthropic. but definitely secure. and I don't see that as many communities want to preach the values of diversity and inclusiveness, and then put restrictions on what those are. I'm done with labels, and terms. I am male, I was born male, I will always be male. I'm just a natural state. I reject the terms, I reject the words. Its' just easier to use them instead of having to talk someone's ear off with an hour long explanation that just ends up becoming a rant and debate. Not interested in that. so bottom line: the constant saturation of sexuality and forced social agendas involving a not all that clever marketing scheme with he rainbow pride merchandise and the butting in with all the LGBT related terms and inclusions, I am done with the asexual status. I am against sexuality in all forms, against romance, and against any inclusion at least for myself. I am content and satisfied with being a lone wolf. I was born a he, and I go with nature, science, and biological facts, not emotion or my own opinions. I don't need flags, terms, labels, or a group of people to feel better about myself. so enough with the cultish body soup and muddled terminology. I am repulsed by sexuality and annoyed by the forced political and social arguments and chosen identities being shoved down my throat. okay... rant over. I truly don't mean any harm here, just giving my story. (and no, it has nothing to do with my spiritual or religious beliefs or how I was raised or any negative past experience. nobody's ever brought it up to me and I have never brought it up to anyone either. as in my mind, every topic is in it's own lane. no overlap between one subject and another.) I endure a LOT of criticism as I receive more hate for my views on sexuality than anything else. I've seen people put their sexual side over MUCH more important things in their lives. I don't know why it's such a defensive topic. one more reason I'm disgusted and in full opposition to it. seems more of a control system than politics, religion, and any other divisive, cultish, oppressive mindset out there. just saying. no disrespect intended, just telling you the way I see it. I do not understand or can comprehend the logic used by those that include the term.

[@cradica]

I remember being called a homophob for saying that some say aces aren't LGBT

[@BPEJS24-7]

@@cradica they'll call anyone that when they don't like or agree with you. They're quite "phobic" of anything that doesn't have to do with them or is in their little bubble. Insecurity galore!

[@spadegachaoof5611]

My question is asexuals love at all???!!

[@CuteLilEldritch1010]

{Spade Gacha Oof} Yes, we just don’t feel sexual attraction, we can still have physical attraction, romantic attraction, platonic love, etc.

[@spadegachaoof5611]

Shugari Soul oh okay 👌

[@faaaa__]

of course! Do you know the different types of love there are?

[@lillustpotion]

Jesus christ. Love and sex aren't the same thing. Of course asexual can love.

[@Luciiii_285]

Yes. We can love people romantically and platonically If the person is aromantic as well, they still feel platonic love

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

"You don't need to start playing the oppression Olympics with me, white gay men" is the same thing as saying "I'm more oppressed than you, fuck off," and is a weird fly in the otherwise-pleasant ointment that is this video.

[@YasminBenoit]

Actually, it was more like saying, "I don't need the Oppression 101 because I've been black for 23 years." But interesting interpretation.

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

@@YasminBenoit Well, it would have been more like that if you didn't single out a group to make that point to. If it was just about your own experience, you'd have just said, "You don't need to start playing the oppression Olympics with me." Directing it at one oppressed group makes it about you vs them. It's you saying that there is no point playing the oppression Olympics with them because you'd win.

[@YasminBenoit]

Okay, you're entitled to your opinion.@@YourLoyalDeserter

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

@@YasminBenoit Fair enough, nice video.

[@ashleysosa161]

If you’re cishet you’re not a part of the community

[@Jules-qz7es]

I also think asexuals are not lgbt. I recieved drama from another asexual about that and I don't understand how people who don't have sex can be labelled with people who do.

[@stoyanpetkov3853]

Jules It is not about having sex or not Some asexuals even have sex or don’t mind it, they just lack some aspects of normative sexual attraction. Besides sex does not define being LGBT. Sexuality and gender does.

[@Jules-qz7es]

​@@stoyanpetkov3853 Maybe, but I am an aromantic asexual and I understood that as the only way to be asexual. i think the biggest part of asexuality is being sex repulsed so an asexual having sex is like an oxymoron. It doesn't make sense and science does not allow for an oxymoron to exist because of the contradictions. Science also doesn't allow for an oxymoron to exist because it goes against reality and logic, therefore people will only use oxymorons as figures of speech.

[@Jules-qz7es]

​@oof bidoof No no, not true. Asexuality is about not having sex, why we have asexual reproduction with some plants. They do not have sex but can reproduce, and this is called asexual reproduction because there is no combination of male and female inorder to reproduce. People cannot reproduce asexually, sperm and ovary is needed so there is no such thing as an asexual human being having sex, that destroys science. Therefore asexual people having sex are not asexual, that simple.

[@sigma2789]

@@Jules-qz7es Are you trolling??

[@Jules-qz7es]

@@sigma2789 No, lol, I don't troll. I want to bring common sense and rationality to people through using science and logic. If I used the bible to explain asexuality/eunuchs people wouldn't listen. So I used the most common sense to explain asexuality to them.

[@BT-su1yf]

Transphobia: a trans person goes on a date with a man, and reveals halfway through the date that they are trans. The man beats and kills them. Acephobia: someone says a mean thing to an ace person.

[@theviewer6889]

Acephobia: corrective rape, conversion therapy, being considered a medical disorder, a higher rate of being the victims of sexual assault than both the general population and 2nd highest rate within all minority sexualities, etc. Fixed it for you.

[@BT-su1yf]

@@theviewer6889 absolute nonsense. made up or arbitrarily inflated numbers in order to claim victimhood status, drawing attention away from people who experience real oppression.

[@lottapitchy9625]

@@BT-su1yf I think it’s funny how you’re the one shouting “fake news” lol

[@theviewer6889]

@@BT-su1yf So if these don't count as oppression then the corrective rape, conversion therapy, etc. faced by gay, lesbian and bi folk don't count as oppression either. Guess LGBT folk aren't oppressed by that logic.

[@BT-su1yf]

@@theviewer6889 oh look, another person blathering about corrective rape and conversion therapy with no proof or statistics about them being regularly occurring, institutionalized things.