Ashes of Creation is absolutely SMASHING it in 2022

[@TheLazyPeon]

An additional point I forgot to make in this video about the PVE & PVE server debate… - With Ashes being a sand park MMO (Hybrid of theme park and sand box) the vast majority of the content is player driven, usually PvPVE, the advantage of this approach is that players rely less on developer curated content to enjoy the game and many aspects of the game will be highly replay able due to the fact that the interactions between players IS the vast majority of the content… If you add PVE servers to a sand park MMO then players will burn through that content extremely quickly, the focus then becomes on the next Raid, Dungeon and PVE challenge to clear a few times and then you’re done and you unsub til next content update, devs would need to shift their focus to just pumping out raids to keep people subscribed, the game would shift from Sand Park to full theme park (basically what’s happened with New World) A lot of people clearly like PVE only theme park MMOs but Ashes of Creation was never designed to be one of those games, WoW and FF14 are already great for that kind of experience, It’s fine if this game isn’t for you, no game has to be for everyone, but changing core design pillars late into development to chase maximum popularity is a recipe for disaster, for many people the current design direction of Ashes is EXACTLY what they’ve been waiting for, let them have the game they’ve been dreaming about when we’ve already got great pure PvE experiences imo. Either way let’s be honest, everyone is going to try the game because the MMO genre is dead af and we don’t get many new releases to get excited about, maybe more PVE players enjoy the game that you’d expect despite the PVP, let’s wait and see…

[@stickyrubb]

I think you're absolutely right, there's no need for this elaborate debate yet. The developers have shown that they listen to the community and tweak the game accordingly, while staying true to their vision. If the current corruption system isn't sufficiently preventing excessive griefing, I can't imagine them not being open to discussion.

[@evanstowers8529]

You're exactly right and hit the nail on the head. There are so many PvE players now deciding they will never play the game even without the Alpha 2 being out.... ...but I think many of those PvE players will be able to find a beautiful home in Ashes and I think alienating some players is not to be fretted over because regardless the game will stand or fall with TONS of MMO players based on how good it is as a PvX game.

[@silverpact1008]

So many people have been screaming about the PvP, but i've yet to hear a single well-reasoned argument based on community and player interaction. I've heard inumerable people say that open world dungeons won't be feasible because of griefers or PKers, but this completely ignores the fact that the Alliance system allows one alliance to have a PvP focused guild protect the dungeon while the PvE focused guild raids it. Likewise, a similar explanation can be given for every aspect of PvP in this game. If you're a PvE player who wants to enjoy AoC, find yourself a community to be part of that has PvP players willing to sit around keeping you safe. And trust me, they will. There are hundreds of PvP fiends who grind hundreds of hours each month in near-dead games hunting for people they can actually fight. If you tell them all they have to do is chill in a PvE resource area as a Purple tag, and they have free reign to roflstomp any other Purple or Red tag that comes near, they'll be like a child on Christmas. They don't give a rat's ass about your resources. Why would they kill you, a PvE player noot even worth the effort, when all these griefers and gankers are delivering themselves on a silver platter? That's not to say the PvP flagging system has no problems, it's incredibly abusable in certain situations, and I myself, along with many other long-time guild leaders in the community have been racking our brains for quite some time, trying to figure out how to suggest ways to improve the system so that it's not so abusable by large groups. Unfortunately, headway is slow, as a flagging system in and of itself is just a very old game concept. The corruption and combat systems they have are so old school that improving it without a massive change is incredibly difficult. Not because there's no room for improvement, but because it's already so rigid and inflexible in nature. In AoC's current state as it stands, Solo players will suffer immensely. Regardless of any benefits they could possibly give solo players, the entire game is too heavily dependent on player interaction and social hierarchies. This isn't to say there's no room for solo players, but it will be a MUCH more difficult game if you're playing solo. And THAT is where I see the most misunderstandings by people on PvPvE. Too many people account for small player groups in this game. But that's ludicrous. With guilds being between 30-300ish in size, and 4 guilds making up an Alliance, Alliances will be between 120-1200ish players in size. If one alliance locks down a castle and its surrounding areas, raising a node to metropolis, that's a solid 5% of the player population of the entire server having a massive base of operations with roughly 10-15 minutes of travel time in their zone of influence. That doesn't sound like much, but imagine hearing, as a solo or small group player, that the area you're trying to PvP camp in is controlled by an Alliance with 500+ players, of which at least 100 are on at any given time, and it will take them no more than 10 minutes to get to you at any given time the moment one of their players announces PvP combat in their Alliance Discord. You have no means of teleporting away, and all you can do is log off, if you're lucky. Large groups will run AoC. End of story. The size of the group will be a questionable situation. There's something to be said for a well-organized group of 500 going up against a mob of 1200 semi-organized players. But at the end of the day, these are numbers in the hundreds. HUNDREDS. That's not something solo or small group players get to have a voice in. This dynamic of low-mobility, areas of control, and zones of influence, for large groups of players, is what the map and combat structure of AoC was built for.

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

I love the video and I agree with all your opinions aside from your opinion on Lucky ghost not deserving getting the shit he's getting because the real reason people have a problem with him isn't because he has a different opinion, it's because he dishonestly try presenting "evidence" namely being a poll that was set up in such a way that it seems pretty damn clear that the intention was so he could dishonestly represent the numbers of the answers of the poll and throughout his entire video was talking about such a misrepresentation of the information we have about the PVP systems that it seems pretty damn clear especially since he made this a video on his channel in such a "you dont have ta listen to me but really you also do have to listen to me and make the game how i say it should be" that there's no other way to look at it than he's a dishonest prick and especially since he threw in a raid Shadow Legends at in the middle also was just scummy because it's an opinion piece or in other words it was his call to ashes of creation to at least as he claimed, try to save the game and yet he still was going to Market money on that shit? Especially given how dishonest and how much misrepresentation he did, it's so scummy because it seems clear that he specifically probably was being dishonest just so he could get a lot of eyes on the video and get a lot of Raid Shadow Legends sponsor money

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

Like lucky is not the innocent person in this situation and really you should not be defending him. He's a fucking prick who I hope the rest of his subscriber base season for what he is now and leaves his damn channel the same way I did. Oh what's worse is his misrepresentation still could also damage the game simply because he does have a notable Channel and the drama got so big.

[@ElSabio159]

Nice. I'm excited to play this game in 2030.

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

And it would be unironically great then. But lets hope it will be sooner. 😎

[@GravelGamer33]

i am waiting in 2034 you have high hopes man

[@barsnack7999]

imagine how many MTX nonsense BS you can buy until then

[@ShowMeDaWay88]

@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly I am sure I'll be dead the time it comes out 😂

[@terrylaitw840]

@@ShowMeDaWay88 Im glad my grandson will have a good game to play.

[@GrappLr]

Good on you for calling out the clown (calling other people clowns). I was in his chat once, the dude is cringe.

[@jamaly77]

Your name is cringe. Reminds me of 2002.

[@ParzivalMcfly]

I truly hope this MMO works out. As a WoW player from about 2004-2017 I severely miss that feeling of being part of something magical like this.

[@ryansimcock2508]

Hell ya brother! This will be the one

[@Freestyle80]

you will never be 15 again, give up

[@ParzivalMcfly]

@@Freestyle80 hey bud, hope you’re having a good day so far.

[@Freestyle80]

@@ParzivalMcfly not as bad as u mate thinking you can go back in time, i’m happy with the present

[@ParzivalMcfly]

@@Freestyle80 Free, brother. I’m not sure why you feel the need to keep being this way, but whatever has you thinking it’s ok to consistently harass someone on the internet is in itself mentally not sound. Take care and keep on keeping on. 👍

[@gamertherapyconsoleyoursel5804]

I really hope there's a trial period or something, it looks like something that will either drag me in 100% or be a huge disappointment, no in-between.

[@bobtower66]

Someone said the game is just a sub fee with no box price. Guessing it will only be 15 to try it out.

[@popasmurf6834]

@@bobtower66 no you have to buy it (wrong i was mistaken)

[@bobtower66]

@@popasmurf6834 Ashes of Creation will have no upfront box cost, and will rely on a subscription-based model. That is a quote directly from the website.

[@popasmurf6834]

@@bobtower66 yes you are right, i had to pay for pre order to get acces to the alpha2 but on release its just sub to play, hence the confusion

[@gokhant.450]

@@bobtower66 Thats dumb, imagine playing it for 2 years and having spent 360$, that’s ridiculous.

[@nilredowski]

This game looks too good to be true, I think it will never go out of production.

[@TheAmbigatus]

The scale of this game on any level is looking incredible. I really hope all goes according to plan and they pull it off. Thanks for the detailed review!

[@barsnack7999]

scale of the skem cosmetics and delays too with the nice MLM skemmer CEO

[@lawlacast7107]

Dude it's 2022.. just the combat itself is an absolute letdown, don't even get me going about the graphics... there's literally nothing "absolutely SMASHING" in this game so far.

[@TheAmbigatus]

@@lawlacast7107 you're in luck mate, they're still looking for a Senior Gameplay Engineer.

[@lawlacast7107]

@@TheAmbigatus Not even a genius can save this. This is beyond salvation. 10/10 it's gonna flop so hard.

[@barsnack7999]

skale of the MLM skemmer CEO very good cosmetics skem

[@mybroviajero2219]

It is noticeable when a MMORPG content creator is informed. Excellent job Lazy :) Lots of positive energy and a big hug.

[@barsnack7999]

definitely not a skem game wink wink buy our next cosmetics BS pack ples

[@paintspot1509]

This is literally a sponsored ad, of cause its informed.

[@Dualities]

I don't support over expensive cashgrabs with outdated action combat and social systems

[@Dualities]

f** o** fake promotional account

[@jeremyn4397]

Lazy Peon's information isn't bad, but I do think its un-helpful that he calls out Paradox Gaming for one glib comment against Lucky Ghost, when he had many other valid counterpoints to what Lucky Ghost says. LG had heeps of bad informations, saturated with bias that he was pretending not to have, while PG is litterally the most informed and articulate educator on all things AoC.

[@Meathooks13]

Hey, I started following Ashes way back when you did your first video on it. It's come a long way and looking more and more like Intrepid can live up to they hype.

[@WhiskeyAfterHours]

@@barsnack7999 found the patheon, FF14, Wow player lmao.

[@JungKooksTwin]

@@WhiskeyAfterHours is he wrong tho? the game has had a alpha testing but for years continue to sell FOMO cosmetic packages on their store... how is that ok in any way?

[@tom_mirom]

@@JungKooksTwin its not only skins, but assets to the world. Those WILL be NPC as well *inhales copium* and it will be releasing this century for sure

[@WhiskeyAfterHours]

@@JungKooksTwin Another person with another misconception. The skins in the monthly cosmetic packages are all used in the game for NPC and characters. They aren't just FOMO skin packs to get people to buy them before they are gone. If you see something you want then get it. There is absolutely no reason for you to buy any of them if you dont want to. EDIT: I'd also like to mention that there wll be variants of all of these monthly skins in the game you can get from things like achievements or gear sets or cash shop items. Also these skins are not modifiable in any way so you can't recolor them like you will other costumes and gear sets. Nor can you mix and match parts of the sets. its everything or nothing.

[@HavocParadox]

Same and Honestly.. every update they give the game just looks more polished and it's just coming together so well.

[@georgekirkham7989]

Haven't heard many people talk about how GOOD the music is for this game. It sounds so melancholic and nostalgic.

[@GoldenBoyXCM]

i believe and hope its just a placeholder. If it is that piano heavy i will definitely use some music of my own

[@georgekirkham7989]

@@GoldenBoyXCM it's a main theme I'm guessing, I doubt it wil play continuosly throughout when you play.

[@Cleric2k9]

Big respect for mentioning mental health in this video mate. Not enough people actually think about what they're saying before thinking about consequences and so many people suffer with mental health these days (content creators the lot) that people really need to think before they speak. It pays off to be kind as you never know what someone is dealing with in life and what they're trying to do just to get by and live. Love your videos man, got mad respect for your realness.

[@Shazoo1997]

Watched all three updates, and here I am to watch it once more with the man himself. The fact that they made me want to play a ranger in an MMO is truly a testimonial of their great work & vision.

[@hightierplayers2454]

AoC's approach with what I've decided to call "soft conflict" in almost all systems is really innovative. Balancing and tuning these new systems will undoubtedly require quite a bit of public testing time, but the potential of these ideas is higher than our current iterations. Its been so long since we had ANY true innovation in this genre that speculation on this before we get a few rounds of real testing is simply useless and would only be considered by the lowest denominator.

[@barsnack7999]

looool

[@zsquad1081]

Lmao the hopium is strong here

[@drooskie9525]

I think Steven coined the term "soft friction" in the past, but yeah that's the point! He doesn't want it to be like a hamster in a wheel and all you gotta do is just play a little longer and you are guaranteed something. Plus, the soft friction creates memorable moments and meaningful conflict. That's what we are wired for as humans at the end of the day. We want meaning in what we do.

[@Pottoxx]

Comparing this to the earlier playtests they did, this doesn't only look graphically better but also movement and physics wise like ten times better. When I first saw their combat preview I was like "hmm, seems like this is allods online in an alpha stage" the way the characters moved and casted etc. Now if I look at it, it actually looks stunning and it isn't even done nor is it polished at all. But seeing they are already this far in the game, makes me even more hyped for the release. Safe to say that this studio got what it takes to make a great game. We now just have to hope, that it is also a studio who knows how to run and maintain a happy and healthy community.

[@malesulo980]

Smashing expepectations 10 years in a row... This is never-ending-story

[@uspatriot6414]

So happy to see the gathering system. I loved New Worlds gathering. It was very relaxing and enjoyable. Can't wait until Ashes releases.

[@hollix7155]

It's so sad how the good things New World implemented will rarely come up due to the game's glaring mistakes but their gathering system was excellent!

[@uspatriot6414]

@@hollix7155 I agree. It was by far the best gathering system I've played. So relaxing and rewarding. Too bad they rushed to launch and had so many mistakes.

[@TheBrilliantPhoenix]

@US Patriot Unfortunately, this is a fairly common plight of early MMOs - if the project is running low on money then they have to balance the bad press of early release against the massive influx of cash a release generates. This affects almost every new MMO - I played both WOW and ESO at launch, and both were kinda a nightmare? You'd never know it now, as WOW is turning 20 and still tops in the MMO world (though I stopped playing at ninja pandas) and ESO has a vibrant community of thousands (I still play, but not as much as I once did)

[@nordy259]

Imo People are making pvp a way bigger deal then it will actually be. I've played a number of open world pvp games and the vast majority of players won't attack you unless you really pass them off. Yes you will get attacked from time to time but as long as you're polite and not trying to grind in " the best spot" in a node dominated by an elite pvp guild it won't be gamebreaking.

[@Someone--Else]

Ashes may turn out well for some hardcore players, if it doesn't become another never launch game like Star Citizen, but especially with open PvP being a thing, I can not see the more casual player wanting to stick with it long. Considering how dependant it sounds to be on community involvement, if if can't pull in, and hold a big community, that's going to be a problem.

[@Maldanil]

Yeah as a casual player I was really excited until I heard about the PVP. Now I feel like there is no point in even trying the game out once it comes out.

[@NeverAloneji]

@@Maldanil good, the game wasnt made for players like you, theres plenty of other pve games out there for you

[@brianb8003]

@@NeverAloneji wasn't made for you either kiddo. You're just typical bronze tier trash who will be a free kill for actual pvp vets lol

[@gergokerekes4550]

@@NeverAloneji did you go to EA marketing school? games like this, they always die without casuals.

[@megatafnan1984]

@@gergokerekes4550 why casual player so afraid now??back in the day,we dont care who hardcore or casual...just play n enjoy😅if die in pvp...grind again... what's the problem😌

[@Carsondaddy]

Previous MMOs with open world pvp have turned me into a carebear, despite my everlasting desire to engage in FUN pvp. Here's hoping Ashes actually finds that sweet spot that gets my blood pumping again within a fairer system.

[@WatchingFromWork6636]

If they want money, and they do, this dream world of a game catering to PvP and half ass including PvE wont last. Talk all you want PvP focused MMOs fail because their isn’t enough interest it to support it. That community simply isn’t big enough to carry a MMO.

[@fteambjj]

@@WatchingFromWork6636 yeah true. And its for sure gonna be p2w pvp

[@yakuzi7622]

@@WatchingFromWork6636 It's the exact same case with PvE though, you hit the wall then you close the game and wait for next content update, PvP at least has replayability

[@WatchingFromWork6636]

@@yakuzi7622 People that burn through content hit a wall, people that play casually generally don't. Again, this is why MMO's rely on casuals more than any other section of the community. If PvP worked so well in MMO's why does it always fail? Why do game developers avoid it? Because they hate money?

[@alreawon1212]

The thing about open-world PvP is that numbers win, not skill. I think arenas, with plenty of good (unlimited) rewards should be enough.

[@KashQuests]

I’ve watched this over and over while I smash bike pedals and I don’t usually comment on vids unless I love them. As usual, Peon crushes with outstanding commentary. Thanks for continuing to pump these out. You are the reason for my journey with Ashes and your videos never disappoint. Thank you my dude.

[@wesmo_]

It has been proven over and over again that a PVP only community cannot sustain any game. Grief is a killer.

[@tubesism]

What about Valorant? That’s a pvp only game. Or fortnite, or street fighter.

[@meltsjavi]

@@tubesism This is so dishonest lol, completely different genres.

[@tubesism]

@@meltsjavi LMAO

[@meltsjavi]

@@tubesism LMAO

[@anteprs7908]

@@tubesism pvp only mmos pvp only games are diffrent

[@hectorgonzalez8614]

As someone who follow the drama of the comunity,I congrats you for being so respectfull and giving your opinion while trying to understand others opinion, i am really happy to see that still exist people that can have an argument in the internet.

[@squalltheonly]

If they force PvP then this game will die in like a year. Some people just wanna play a chill game and not have to worry about the sweaty tryhards trying to please mother by killing everyone.

[@maxrusty3596]

Then some ppl can play a different game. Most games are what u described let ppl have this one.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@maxrusty3596 they will... and they will keep saying this exact thing. "go play a different game". And you know what will happen? They will go and play a different game. And then YOU will sit there wondering... why is the game dead? You need to understand something... For a whale to survive, you need a thousand+ little fish. Without the little fish, the whales are nothing.. they just die out.

[@Dramn_]

@@akhsdenlew1861 whales don't eat fish you FOOL

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@Dramn_ you did well deleting that comment, it was stupid.. lmao

[@Dramn_]

@@akhsdenlew1861 incorrect

[@MrMcSnuffyFluffy]

I'm glad they're taking their time. The game is looking incredibly awesome.

[@BobFromSeattle]

I understand the arguments you present in favor of the PvP risk/reward model, it makes sense. But no matter how great this game is in all other respects, the presence of non-consensual PvP is going to keep a large part of the market away and turn this into a niche game, not a mainstream game. You say that ArcheAge died due to mismanagement, not PvP, and I would disagree and add that it was really both. Trino sucked, but me and all my friends left the game not because of Trino, but because we got tired of a system that rewarded griefing and allowed even members of our own faction to kills us for our loot. The joy of creating my first fishing boat was completely overcome by the constant boarding and stealing at sea. Screw that, we left that crap behind and never looked back. BDO isn't quite as bad because you can stop leveling at 50, still Lifeskill to your heart's content and NEVER have to worry about PvP. Not one of the big triple-A MMOs have non-consensual PvP, not WoW, not BDO, not ESO, not GW2, not FFXIV. These games all realiize that the vast majority of players want a game that is fun to play and doesn't CREATE anxiety. Yes, there are plenty of players who like that kind of stress and for them, this game will be fun. But I continue to believe that audience is small and gets smaller with every new attempt to solve the problem. Reputation systems have NEVER worked, not in UO, not in Albion Online, nowhere. The price to come clean is always worth it to the griefers and those who profit from PK'ing. So as much as I love what I see in this game, and I enjoy your coverage of it, I will probably pass if it remains as you describe. I get plenty of stress and anxiety IRL, I don't need it or want it in my games. There is a LOT you can do to create a Risk/Reward model that does not involve being killed by other players. Being killed by the environment is plenty of anxiety for me! As always, great video my friend. Thanks.

[@AJR99]

Great video and I agree with you on the PVP being a necessity due to game design, even being a 100% PVE player, personally. I think there are enough elements in the game to deter griefling and ways for PVE players to avoid it that I'll still have a great time.

[@anteprs7908]

but not much content for pvers

[@Kkkkkkkkkk747]

I like this style of gathering. I'm weird player who likes to gather materials and sell them. If the system is great, maybe that will be my main focus in the game, much more then farming monsters etc.

[@rjswas]

Your not a weird player that likes to gather, people like you are what makes the cogs on mmo economy go round 😃

[@RodasMemesLife]

that is the same for me, yeah I like raiding and things like that but I love to see my bag of gold going up every day

[@fortnitefortnite8033]

new world better

[@mynameisforrest]

Really looking forward to see the rogue and summoner!

[@barsnack7999]

few more years and then exit skem like steven did in his MLM skems

[@roller12coaster]

I'm not a massive MMO player, and PvP never appealed to me. However, the way you describe it with contesting certain worldbosses sounds pretty damn awesome. I never looked at it that way.

[@brettmurphy2917]

My biggest concern with ashes is that there will be so many things to do that a number of activities will die due to there not being enough people interested in them. Personally I wont have time to do majority of the things available and will have to choose 1 or 2 things I sink my time into and I also hope that you can still enjoy what you want to do without having to take part in the things you have no interest in. I work too many hours to be a pirate a caravan guard a farmer and a dungeon crawler. I only have enough free time to hop on do a few dungeons every night and a raid once a week.

[@skyhonni]

Yeah that was my thinking too. Including careers, because I feel that not many people will be too interested in some niche careers and then there will be a shortage of those resources. They would have to make every single thing worth doing - which means creating every aspect of the game rewarding, engaging and fun to play. Which, as you can imagine, is a daunting responsibility, let alone hard to implement. I see features being rolled out and then fleshed out as issues arise.

[@antoniosekelez1107]

Actually that's one of the great points in my opinion People will not level multiple toons cause leveling will be slow a d rewarding Also agree you will "specialize" and do stuff you set out to do not being a 1 man know it all or 1 account have everything

[@Xnate13X]

@@skyhonni Honestly, people will flock over to whatever skill or career is making bank. If some can't be done because others are low and the demand is highly outweighed than supply, then prices for that skill will be high. I always do whatever I can make bank on, idc what it is. I enjoy merching and making bank in games. I find that enjoyable. I was back and forth rank 1 and 2 in the world for the cooking skill in Black Desert online for the first 3mo of release.. I ended up quitting the game because that game was a flat out wallet grab and it pissed me off that they specifically DESIGNED things to not work perfectly without purchasing things without MTX. If you wanted to play without MTX(LIKE ME) it was SO much more annoying. I didn't p2w at all. Only spent money on cosmetics.. but as I was saying, making bank and getting rich in games is fun, so people like me will be the ones doing things no one else is to take advantage of insane profits. Don't you worry! :D The only thing that could possibly stop that is that if the needed goods require a set amount of people to start the farming item/resource activity and there are no people around that want to.

[@skyhonni]

@@Xnate13X it would certainly make the economy look like ours-wild and oversaturated

[@luckyjohny181]

I believe it's a strength, different people will want to focus on different things.. and you're free to focus on whatever you want and try on different things to decide what you mainly want to go for. Lots of things to do is definitely a strength in the long run.

[@profanelizard8575]

I was really interested in this game until the force PvP, just not my cup tea. Still hope the game turns out great for everyone wanting that. Now here's hoping the riot mmo keeps it separated lol

[@ashj1770]

Riot is a PvE mmo thats free to play. You're good dw

[@MortyPlayer1]

I was so hyped for Ashes of Creation until I learned about the forced open PvP system. Major turnoff for me ...

[@Babayugah]

It's not as simple as that, look into it. Might ease a little bit of your worry

[@MortyPlayer1]

@@Babayugah It actually really is that simple though. I could be attacked by a player whenever and wherever I would be in the world, with no option to opt out of it. That's pretty much the definition of forced open PvP. I am well aware that there are mechanics in place to disincentivize those things from happening, but the fact of the matter is, it can and will happen. That lack of control over whether players can attack me or not, that's a deal breaker for me.

[@Dramn_]

@@MortyPlayer1 wrong.

[@MortyPlayer1]

@@Dramn_ Please enlighten me, if I'm wrong, then I'll be happy to admit it and if there's no forced open PvP after all, maybe I might end up getting it.

[@thedant0r]

A lot of Copium here concerning their PvP-Design, imo, sorry LazyPeon. If the PvP takes away my time and fun in the evening, -and players will try to find ganks, bugs, exploits to take away my time and fun- i will not play this. If the PvP takes away a hugh chunk of the main playerbase's fun, this game will be niche at best. Furthermore i will not play this at release, because i want to know if its worth spending my money on an PvP-MMORPG. Would this be garanteed PvE or PvP-Opt-In, they would have my money day 1.

[@galacticfederationofficer]

Look, I do not agree with your opinion too often. But here, you are super right. I hope the pvp parts are being kept. It will give this game some thrills. While still allowing you to stay safe. Its a great balance which we should first get a hand on before nerfing it. Thanks for making this good video. I am now finally looking forward for AoC. Also huge thanks for keeping us updated on it so frequently.

[@Schmitzerize1992]

Awesome video son. I really like that you gave us some specific examples why there shouldn't be PVE servers in Ashes. And also awesome that you defend the raid shadow legends ad in the video. Everyone is doing it including yourself so this guy should not get hated for this. But overall I think it is really healthy for the game that there are theses guys which is making you think about what a good game should be.

[@shawn4664]

Love your take on the topic of separate pvp/pve servers. Stay loud on that one, please!

[@Bootsgamesforever]

Peon, thank you so much for touching on the PVP vs PVE debate i am so excited to play ashes because of how much Steven is making it a hybrid and giving pvp a spotlight unlike most games who push pvp players like myself to the side like our fun doesn't matter. For context me and my brother are PVP players and we enjoy it so much for any game we play but we like to play with our uncle and dad who are PVE players. Because of this there was never a time in any MMO we played, like WOW for example where we needed one another. Me and my brother would get PVP gear and our dad and uncle would be doing raids or crafting/gathering, a family divided, but with ashes i can see us having to help each other out to progress and i think that's what makes me so excited for Ashes to drop. Thank you so much for giving PVP players a voice!!!!!!

[@wiliestrogue2924]

Player friction matters.

[@Azuurinho]

i do like this gathering style and i know its in early stages too, that breing said, hopefully the sound engeneering will be just as good as in New world

[@mh442]

"The corruption system" is exactly the same in the meanwhile ancient "Ultima Online". It's a great system and worked pretty well. Would be interesting to know how long one is corrupted after killing his second player and how much it can increase time-wise.

[@WhooptyDoo]

There was an old browser game that no one here even heard the name of. In that game the best aspect of gather-refine-manufacture economy was that any resource (not gear) would drop on death outside of safe zones. The whole game was pretty much based around this concept with professions like miners, marauders (aka gopniks), mercs, traders among others. Each profession giving a bonus to its respective focus (like extra resources drop for miners or extra hauling capacity for traders). This made even the basic resources quite valuable - especially those far away from safe zones - the endorfine boost you got from safely bringing back a big haul to the safe zone was nothing like you can ever get from any modern MMO. Add to that player-created (with resources) shops and industries and you get a completely player-run economy. God what a thrill it was, I really miss the old-school MMOs, one can only wish something like that would one day be created on modern game engine

[@RenzoVGaming]

Literally mortal online 2 lol

[@TwinkleTheRaccoon]

I can't believe how much your channel has grown I've watched this channel since I was 13 I am now 22

[@jamesstewart8663]

Dam, it looks better in every update!

[@gumburgobek]

You are way too hyped about this Peon 😄 I hope the developers will live up to your optimism. I feel very concerned about the high ambition and the timeline of this mmo.. Will follow closely to see if it will be worth to try 🤘

[@SevereArtisan]

The high ambition and timeline is definitely my biggest concern with this game. My second is how will the gameplay loop be at endgame, which definitely needs to be fun, engaging, and not too grindy for people to stick around for awhile. I'm staying cautiously optimistic about this game at most until more is revealed. I'm hoping they study what other/previous MMOs did wrong and make sure not to fall into the same areas.

[@shutenglooten373]

Way too hyped about a passion driven mmorpg that is already funded head to toe that incentivizes risk/reward in an industry that has been bone dry for the past 15 years? Damn you peon!!

[@egrassa1480]

@@shutenglooten373 everybody knows that all you get for getting hype about new mmo is despair

[@gergokerekes4550]

@@shutenglooten373 Star citizen is a passion project too and look at how it is atm.

[@palletbox]

Thanks for the level-headed and logical rundown of this game's progress. It's much appreciated.

[@paintspot1509]

This was an ad, use your head.

[@AzureRoxe]

Lol "level-headed and logical" when he was fanboying constantly since it's a paid ad.

[@takotako3321]

@@AzureRoxe Not a paid ad though.

[@paintspot1509]

@@takotako3321 of course it was.

[@takotako3321]

@@paintspot1509 Nope. It's against US law and KZbin's rules to not disclose sponsored content. LazyPeon has followed this project since the beginning, alpha-tested the game, and is just excited for it. Fanboying? Maybe. Sponsored ad? No.

[@casfe82]

Only recently have i gotten into this watching KZbin content and discoverd how good it is.....This whole world has appeared after i had my first kid 10yrs ago and have i missed out on both all this information so readily available and mmo gaming. I recently got the alpha 2 key for ashes of creation and no waiting for it. I have been watching your videos and really enjoy your over view of this game plus others. Ashes is coming along so well. I am 100% not a PVP player and have 0 interest in it but i can see this game is going to be so large as a solid PVE player i will be able to survive and play this game with out issues i recon. I am super excited about their gathering and crafting systems and exploring. Already upgraded 2 pcs at home ready for 4k gaming for this game. Keep up the good work. High five from Australia

[@BiggestofAs]

Legit really like the pvp aspect ressembling the one in archeage because it opens up so many possibilities to player interaction like caravan guard guilds that depends on merchant to make some money. Unfortunatly, I know this will never happen because the players will be allrounders but a man can dream.

[@auntiepha8343]

I ordered Ashes of Creation Beta 2 in August 2020, can't wait for the release.

[@DoingFavors]

Hopefully I see you in Alpha 2! Have fun!

[@Wizardi1111]

But Naaaaarc, Pantheon is also getting good updates this year and looks as good as Ashes.

[@CatSnievans]

Great vid again! I’ve been following the game since Kickstarter and absolutely love watching their oldest stuff and then the new updates. It’s a night and day difference!

[@Dade-xo9xt]

Zooming all the way out is a great way to show the nitty gritty details of combat. GG.

[@DoingFavors]

My favorite thing about Ashes is seeing the greed of the WoW and FF14 fanbase and the contrast in "PvE" players and "PvX" players. Seem like most conversations concerning ashes go exactly like this "I have played MMO's for 20+ years and I'm very worried about the future of Ashes, I WANT the game to succeed! but it will fail if it still allows PvP in the open world" Meanwhile the majority of PvX players are all over the top incredibly excited and beyond grateful for seeing their dream game coming to fruition, their most comment comments are "Thank you SO MUCH Steven for standing your ground and making YOUR vision a reality" it's funny how we're all seeing our dream game come to life and WoW or FF14 players just seem to keep asking for WoW 2 or FF14-2. It's fun to watch the "Less Toxic" communities of PVE players trying to force a game being made out of sheer passion, into something that THEY want instead of just saying "Too bad it's not for me, have fun guys!" there are so many PVE theme park MMO's out there that are tailor made for this type of player, but the closest we've ever come is Black Desert, Lineage 2 and Archeage. We can have this one, you guys will get your next gen WoW 2 games, they ARE coming.

[@MrKnightlore]

Yes! Love your content and Ashes too :)

[@Chaosball-wc1kk]

It's not even out yet lmao...

[@MrKnightlore]

@@Chaosball-wc1kk Oh isn't it?! I had absolutely no idea - thanks for the heads up!

[@Bluu_Bunni]

I definitely think that having the choice between Tab and Action is the best way to go, especially if there's ways to build into either targeting mode

[@Zederok]

If Tab Targeting is easier and quicker for combat then everyone will be using that and to me this goes against the core tenant of Stevens "Risk vs Reward" motto.

[@sportschool3537]

@@Zederok No, it doesn't... sorry but it's integral that some skills work with tab targeting... you wanna be stuck in PvP playing a ranger against super mobile warrior and trying to hit flick shots like you're playing Apex Legends on extreme mobility mode? it would be simply unfair... you'd miss 80% of your skills while the warrior would mow you down in 2 seconds... Sorry but have you people ever played GW2? Cause GW2 has one of the highest skill ceilings if not the highest skill ceiling combat system... sure, any monkey can play GW2 decently and use the skills but being good at GW2? Really good? Nah... you need mad skills... Tab targeting is not just some outdated method of combat and everything needs to be action, that's bullshit... a hybrid system is the best because it solves the problems of action combat while also keeping the difficulty level and skill level fairly high...

[@tehgdk224]

@@Zederok action combat will be quicker damage onto groups of people imo and tab targeting for going after specific people that may be causing mayhem or hanging back. The action combat has kind of a soft lock if i remember correctly that still locks onto people just aiming close enough to them.

[@HattingmaD]

@@tehgdk224 How will it be quicker? Are they going to reduce cast times and animations if you use action combat instead? No, that's not how it works. The Zederok guy is 100% right, if one method is better, that's what everyone who is anyone will be using. Happens in every single fucking MMO lmao.

[@jamaly77]

​@@sportschool3537 I have no issues hitting people with my ranger in BDO because it has some degree of auto-aim. And aiming isn't hard if you're not used to tab target boredom.

[@AuxxiliaryATC]

The biggest problem I see is that people think all these systems won’t be tested in Alpha 2 and that intrepid, which has been taking feedback and changing things based on that, won’t budge or take what the community says into consideration. Maybe it’s just clickbate videos to make content and I guess that’s fine. People need to just chill…

[@TexasCoffeeBeans]

Peon for future reference, do you think you could put an ad chapter/section in the video for any ads you decide to include so we can easily skip it? I know I would definitely appreciate this and many other viewers would too. I love your videos and keep up the great work!

[@sausje]

The whole PVP system with caravan and jobs, the PK system. Is just straight up a copy of Silkroad Online it's systems, which I loved!

[@TheNEPTY]

I’ll be playing this game over the riot one. This is clearly a passion project and I can get behind passionate people making games they want to play (Old Blizzard) ❤

[@jstncheney]

Old blizzard copied everything from existing games. More like when Mythic or OSI was around.

[@Ad4m89]

Good game if you like PvP, otherwise move on if your looking for something to replace WoW/FF114 Tier raiding

[@JungKooksTwin]

EXACTLY! honestly waiting on them to reveal any sort of story/msq info if there is gonna be any at all. But im expecting this game to have questing thats worse then new world, ill try the game out but its looking like it wont replace ff14 and wow for me when it comes to PVE.

[@ItZMaxo]

@@JungKooksTwin The game isn't out, the pve isn't finished and you're already giving it no chance for the pve xd

[@JungKooksTwin]

@@ItZMaxo thats why i said im WAITING on them to reveal if they are gonna have any story at all in this game.... like OP said so far everything they have shared is looking like a PVP sandbox mmo.

[@Ad4m89]

@@ItZMaxo Read what's planned. Most "raiding /Dungeons" will be out doors with mob taking and always on PvP

[@ShakuNoShana]

Awesome Video, once again. Thanks for keeping us updated on all those titles over the months and years. Really appreciate it a lot man! Keep going, and wish you all the best :) (I am so hyped for AoC, fml)

[@nokename]

I just saw your video from 3 months ago and heard about AoC at all yesterday, and have been absolutely binging all of the livestreams on the AoC YT. I'm hyped.

[@ccloudleaf]

Dude thank you for making me proud to be your fan. You seem to have takes that always hit, and a healthy attitude to boot!

[@peterpan8374]

Thank you for making these well researched videos and for putting timestamps!

[@nordy259]

After every livestream I always wonder "will this be when peon puts out his next Ashes video".

[@TheLazyPeon]

I tend to try and do them every 3 months if there’s been some big updates to keep it concise and easy to follow development for a wider audience, I’d expect the next update vid to be end of year as Steven usually saves the biggest updates for December (Alpha 2 date maybe?)

[@empire5235]

@@TheLazyPeon Yes each year Steven gives us something special for Christmas last year it was the UE5 reveal and I believe it will be an alpha 2 either date or quarter target. The charity event is set to reveal lore surrounding the content that is to be available in alpha2 so all is pointing towards A2 being not too many months away. Late q1 or q2 next year IMO.

[@Azuurinho]

hmm i do think open pvp has great value , a lot of great moments in L2 were due to the open pvp and i totally stand by that. however from my experience playing over multiple expansions is that the bad and unfun moments heavily outwheight the good ones. it always feel like the ppl that defend open flag systems super hard only have in mind the best case scenario experience and hardly take into consideration the other side. i've played l2 since i was 8yo and have been both the super noob that died to anyone to a relatively experienced player that could hold my own shit(never incredibly good tho). i only got through the start cause i had my brothers playing with me and everyone else in the "pc bang" also played l2 only. Even still, my experience is a very lucky and fortunate one compared to the average player that got into the game. Even tho Ashes is NOT lineage 2 and usually its very hard to compare system in different games, i feel like the flaggin system is close enough that comparison has some value, as long as u keep in mind that it IS a comparison. I'm totally willing to wait and see how they will make the system and how they will address some of the problems, but on this system specifically i'm unfotunately kinda pessimistic

[@paintspot1509]

The good times in L2 massively outweigh the bad times and they do this literally because of the flagging system. It was close to perfection.

[@hollix7155]

Also you're videos are excellent! Excited to see you talk more about Ashes!

[@Xexurra]

Like buttom successfully destroyed. Thanks for your vids!

[@Darbokst]

I just think if you look at the history of MMOs the PVP all over all the time even with the flag system, its going to have a lot of players at the beginning but 6 months later its going to have a quarter or less people. People might think they can get passed it in the long term but they wont and they'll just leave.

[@JediTony81]

I had the same reaction to the PvP debate. PvE servers would be a big mistake. I think PvE players are worried about having their (often limited) time wasted. However, I am hopeful that there will be many alternative gameplay goals so that PvE players do not feel the usual pressure to progress at optimal speed. For example, if you want to minimize the risk of PvP, focus on processing raw materials or crafting rather than the gathering in the open world. Also, the bounty system should function to limit the profitability of player killing. I know there is always potential for players to abuse systems for the sake of griefing, but let's give developers a chance to address this before we sound the alarm.

[@Zederok]

You stated "I am hopeful that there will be many alternative gameplay goals so that PvE players do not feel the usual pressure to progress at optimal speed." There is no PvE in the game, it is PvX and PvP is always on, meaning there are no real "content" areas where one can diddle in peace. Ain't no one gonna be playing a monthly sub to stand around in a town all day because from my understanding that is the only safe areas.

[@Aurinkohirvi]

I can't swallow how the archer jumped around and all the light effects of his skills, same as the light effects of superfast whirling swordman in the beginning. That's way too Korean/Chinese looking to me. Edit: Oh, it's a freaking light show all over. I'm totally different with my taste as LazyPeon, I like more realistic looking like Mount and Blade Bannerlord compared to this candy store magic flash fireworks superhero game.

[@paintspot1509]

100% agree. All this pew pew light show garbage just looks nasty.

[@Hylocichla]

I remember three guys who had a weekly show dedicated to this game. Years ago. After maybe 1.5 years or so they became increasingly frustrated by a perceived lack of progress and their show eventually died. The show was called "From the Ashes". One of the guys was a coder working for a bank. Another was an aspiring game developer. I think they eventually left KZbin. Of the three only one still had a channel the last time I checked maybe a year ago. They were the first group to focus on this game, I think. What I remember most was them raving about the enormous progress made the first six months of the game development. Then reality set in. And the game had to switch to a different engine entirely because the original just could not do the job. I think that was about the point that their weekly show died. That was a dark period in the game's history. Their channel was called "The Dungeon Crawler Network". That channel still exists but the three guys who posted weekly about Ashes are no longer there, or were not the last I checked. Maybe the channel now focuses on Elder Scrolls Online but it has not even posted a video at all for three months.

[@heddenr21]

Love your videos bro, your so chill and serious at the same time... Don't get me wrong I'm straight but you have a relaxing voice just nice to hear about a game with you talking. I'm so pumped for ashes god I want NOW

[@chaoko954]

Lucky ghost did a great job of stirring the pot and getting hard definitive answers to some of the things a lot of people were worried about. Not too much of a fan of his delivery, but mission accomplished. Hopefully the ashes community can continue to educate and share info about the game so that the misinformation stops. Great video Peon!

[@Talents.z]

But we already knew all the answers, Lucky Ghost was just too lazy to do even the tinest bit of research.

[@jeremyn4397]

No better source of information than the Wiki followed up by J at Paradox Gaming.

[@DrumRoody]

I can't wait to be disappointed by this game

[@VincWins777]

at this point i think RIOTs MMO will release earlier and destroy AoC

[@ashj1770]

I dunno... a freetoplay model is a really hard sell these days

[@meltsjavi]

@@ashj1770 f2p models from top companies literally make more money? It lowers the barrier of entry so more people actually play your game and more likely to buy things in the game. It shocks me how many people don't understand just how important barrier of entry is.

[@ashj1770]

@@meltsjavi Sure. In the short term. But to make money you need to make the ingame purchases more enticing to the player. This is when paytowin items creep in and "conveniance" items such as bag slots and bank expansions, loot pets etc. I fully agree the barrier of entry is free. The actual ratio of players buying anything however is not. Every f2p mmorpg, literally EVERY freetoplay mmo has one way or another had an agregipus monetary practice to ACTUALLY make money. Bottom line is, if you cannot afford a subscription mmorpg like World Of Warcraft or Final Fantasy 14 for example. Then definitely play something that's freetoplay. Or cancel your Netflix sub.

[@meltsjavi]

@@ashj1770 In the short term? based on what?f2p model has worked wonders for fornite, league, valorant and these games will be here for a while. As for pay2win mmos, this is because a lot of mmos cater to asian audiences, and they dont mind pay 2 win. It should also be said that just because f2p companies do this, doesnt mean that its actually effective. Riot understands more than other companies that your playerbase is valuable, and that for long term profit, youll need to make short term cuts. Riot could make a BUNCH of money by monetizing league, but that may make the game die. However riot can keep the game free and alive, and in the long term make so much more money than any other company. Most companies dont last a long time and most games die. This is why some companies feel the need to monetize quickly (you see this a lot in mobile games) riot does not have this problem. So saying that f2p only works short term is actually the opposite, f2p games actually have longevity, IF the monetization system is done right. Which riot have shown to be able to handle. However I do understand your concerns, ultimately we will have to see how riots monetization of its mmo will play out in order to actually make a judgement.

[@ashj1770]

@@meltsjavi I have absolutely nothing against what you're saying. In an ideal world I'd rather it wasn't subscription based. But at the same time I also understand why it is. I prefer a B2P model myself. But I don't mind the $15 sub fee as its cheap as chips for me. Whether it affects them in the long term; only time will tell for Intrepid if it was a good move of a bad one. For riots mmo particularly, I have zero idea which way its gonna go tbh. However a company like Riot make millions almost every month. Intrepid have a single game.

[@timofaust1315]

Man, I really hope this game will live up to the hype. I mean, we all crave for "the next big MMO" and we did not really have one for the last decade. I really hope this kicks off a major MMO renaissance. A new heavy weight on the market that does well should set the bar higher for all the other companies around and also incentivice them to release high quality MMO products.

[@Heeroneko]

The ideas around the ocean travel remind me of the good parts of trading and exploring in Archeage.

[@fakenamerton2568]

Lol another poo-game tries to do open world pvp despite the last 50 mmos proving no one wants to pvp

[@TheNoobyFraps]

This game is quickly becoming the Star Citizen of fantasy mmorpgs.

[@TheZeyc]

I know Im late to the party But I think the best option for the PvP Server debate would be to do it like BDO. Have a special channel you can join anytime where PvP is always on, where you get a big bonus to drop and gather-rates. My mindset here is instead of the forcing players into Perma PvP which is going to scare away 99% of MMO-Players, do Positive Reinforcement and entice them to chose it themselves. And have both the Caravan and any Boat Adventure always be in that Channel. If anything, another idea I had was to have the Caravans a bit like in BDO too. Where they just go from town to town all the time even without anyone ordering them, with a side-quest where any guard accompanying it, gets some basic payout. Then if you wanna send your own stuff with the caravan you get the option to increase that reward to entice more people. I think this would lead into some interesting interactions where Bandit Players could check the Guard reward to find Caravans that might have some interesting loot in them while also allowing Merchant Players to do some mind games where they increase the Guard Pay for caravans without loot to trick the bandits or just try to get away for minimum pay and put their stuff into a badly guarded caravan.

[@ThisIsErdoS]

Ashes of Creation - sponsor this man!!! Your biggest fan right here

[@stormshadow5555]

It will be fun to be able to play this when it finally releases sometime in the next 12 to 17 years or so…..

[@brandonavellano1836]

Wow !!! Your reviews are top G my friend... So many years listening and watching your reviews! I place you as the TOP and only review channel 100% Wish you get the 1 million subs!

[@spipro6337]

Watching your videos for a long time you are no 1 source of informations about an upcoming or live Mmo RPG,with honest personal opinions and unique humour.You deserve millions of followers Peon because you are authentic and not just a paid doll. Keep up the good work

[@JoneZ2610]

There is no game I have been as excited about, as this. Maybe WoW back in beta 20 years ago, but no.. this is how I dreamt MMOS would be as a kid in the 90s. I CAN NOT WAIT! Thank you for these videos, in addition to Intrepids own coverage, its fantastic to follow the development of this unique and ambitious project.

[@patatacaliente8270]

I'm much more of a PvE kind of guy, but I agree that separate PvP and PvE worlds would be a bad idea. Personally, I like what I have seen and heard from AoC, and I will happily accept the PvP challenge in this one.

[@Zemtex47]

Mate you are woth so many more subs! Watched you for years always fun content. Peace.

[@AbstractMediums]

I agree with you on PVP! Keep it like it is! This is what made runescape so awesome!

[@suko8965]

Thank you for the Update, Peon! :D

[@lacedgames7354]

Just stopping by to let you know you are a great creator, all of your videos are just so dam good. Stay up!

[@nicholasaragon4126]

I'm looking forward to the day when this comes out and makes all other forms of gaming obsolete, cures cancer, and doubles the size of my member.

[@8IDGAF8]

Great video thank you, I actually really enjoyed the darkzone in the division; and I have traditonally been someone who prefers co-op / pve content; but I look back at a game like Rakion, which I loved so much and while it had pve... it was all about the pvp; excited to hear more about the game.

[@moayedalmalki8455]

This game looks incredible. Reminds me of WoW vanilla in its prime! Honestly, if this game comes to consoles then maybe it not just become among the top 3 MMOs but might also begin a new trend of MMO games in the same sense WoW did.

[@nathanleigh3486]

I hope exploration really is random and worth your time, as in even a lv 1 player could get lucky if they are willing to explore every nuck and cranny in the world. And I hope this World is truly random, as in things spawn in completely random places, This is something I've always wanted from an MMO.

[@krylesangerbeaver]

2:35 Talks about collision as a tree just magically slides right through another tree lol

[@Guigasdm]

Keep up the good work! Your videos are very pleasant to watch.

[@slextasy]

Went into watching this video like "oh FFS, here we go again", but I was actually quite surprised. Then I watched the bit with the attacks on the other content creator... Smart idea with the ad spot, mad respect for that, such a great idea; get some revenue from the tears of salty sooks. Commenting for algo too; Looking forward to a life update too, btw; Maybe new goals for the new year coming?

[@derekepperson2448]

2:40 'look at the way the branches ... pass through another tree and obstruct through the ground'

[@couchlion]

Never a miss with videos man great stuff. To the point and well explained and not out of touch with reality with the shpill at the end 👍

[@Cadrieldur]

*John Wick:* Let me know when I can play. *Steven:* All right. It'll be ready Christmas... 2030

[@yourawantedmanmrmorgan7083]

2023 is packed with new mmorpg's kinda hyped to see which one would be the king of the hill