[2.6] The Curse of Khaenri'ah - A Genshin Impact Theory

[@Ashikai]

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[@Zarozian]

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[@simpleyetcomplex]

Sweet. Also did you have a discord up and running or are you apart of a discord and is there a possible link to it so I can possibly join it and read what they got pls?

[@smg7401]

I was thinking that we have the fatui in the story but we have never seen fatui and the abyss at the same time its kinda wierd how they never apear together in a quest its like they are in completely different worlds in the archon quests we fight the fatui and when we are with dains we fight the abyss while our brother is only with abyss and doesn't seem to have any connections with the fatui so why are the fatui in the story why would we need a second villan? And why the two villans of the story who have a single enemy are so unrelated to eachother? the only time they are connected is child

[@smg7401]

Im trying to say that there is 2 possible things 1- the abyss and fatui are super connected and they are going to have a big reveal 2- we fight with fatui to help gods and civilians of teyvat and we fight abyss because of our brother and they are completely unrelated 3- we dont care about any of them and we would kill anyone and anything for materials to upgrade our weapon lol

[@smilejetpacks3]

@@Zarozian pls give dainsleif

[@userAsiral]

kaeya was supposed to be in the chasm exploration team... gotta love this guy, he never stops being sus

[@colleennewholy9026]

"he's grounded" Like Kaeya... How did you let Klee ruin your expedition! XD

[@psychott6]

@@colleennewholy9026 she was the bomber... soo unfortunate kaeya lol

[@anaplaysstuff]

@@colleennewholy9026 Considering how he tends to give her ~ideas~ who's to say he didn't do it on purpose?

[@oblivion9584]

Gota hand it to him, that was a good way to avoid a family reunion. Still that means he has ways to know what happens in a whole other nation to a place where no ordinary people can go.

[@videopolice432]

Oh... OH SWEET MADAM! IT DIDN'T EVEN CROSS MY MIND!

[@krispiek4084]

I'm so glad you talked about how the MC Traveler is experiencing Teyvat and connecting with the people because I've been really thinking about Venti's line of "what does freedom really mean when demanded of you by a god" and how there seems to be a reoccuring theme in every nation so far of some kind of liberation for the people and I think that that is gonna be a main reoccuring theme throughout the rest of the game.

[@nelaepowt]

when you mentioned venti's line, my gosh what a throwback

[@userAsiral]

I mean it's really Dainsleif's line

[@franklynnn]

@@userAsiral … venti literally said it.

[@ladyvoso6392]

@@franklynnn so did dain !!

[@saladman6433]

@@ladyvoso6392 dain is quoting venti

[@dajiahao9630]

To think that perhaps, like how the traveler has grown fond of the people of the seven nations, the twin also spent enough time with the Khaenari'ah people to the point that they regarded Khaenari'ah as their own homeland. Imagine Keqing, Kazuha, and many other playable characters being cursed and turned into hilichurls. Would the traveler not also do everything they can to revert the curse, at whatever the cost? The twins are interstellar travelers who hop from one world to another. It is interesting to see they both ended up growing so attached to Teyvat that they they'd risk everything for the sake of people within.

[@nabieladrian]

We truly forgot this. Teyvat might not be Twin Traveler's birthplace, they also Travel beyond worlds for whatever reason. But the memories we've experienced so far here tells us that it's not the destination that matters but the journey itself. Our Abyss' sibling even never told us to stay in Teyvat forever. It just implied that they won't go anywhere until it's done.

[@ejokurirulezz]

this is not why they consider khaenri'ah homeland.

[@ejokurirulezz]

@@nabieladrian yeah, travel between worlds they;'re sent for project Ark. do you think mihoyo randomly rebranded to hoyoverse?

[@shadowlitten547]

@@ejokurirulezz the project ark connection is just a theory

[@TheRoseFrontier]

Oof...yeah, that really hurts when you put it that way. We were presented with an interesting little moral dilemma with that Chasm archon quest, on whether it's better to save the few at any cost, or to just leave them be to avoid causing more pain. But if you really saw those few as people who meant something to you, would you not be so desperate to try? Even if it really isn't the best decision for them, if you were thinking logically about it? (oh my it's human transmutation all over again isn't it 0_0)

[@Cherry-vz8go]

i think most genshin theories just boil down to kaeya being incredibly suspicious they probably don't give us much kaeya content because he's so important to the overall story. they even tease us by calling dainslef a distant relative of kaeya and saying kaeya was supposed to go to the chasm but got grounded for blowing up good hunter with klee

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

I honestly hope they come up with increasingly silly reasons for why Kaeya isn't part of the super important Kaehnriah Quests™ like "Oh we're exploring the secret, hidden ruins of an ancient civilization pertaining to Kaehnriah in the newly uncovered secret underground of Mondstadt" And were like foaming at the mouth because shouldn't the Knights be here? You know KAEYA!!!! THE CAPTAIN?!" and Hoyoverse will look us in the eye and be like: oh well Kaeya actually had to go to dragonspine to bring Albedo...fairy dust🤭😌✨ so yeah"

[@ZE.brigitte]

Amber🤝Theorist "I bet Kaeya have something to do with this"

[@zertvert]

"Kaeya's the last hope of Khaenri'ah becasue he has uncorrupted memories of Khaenri'ah" Well, the Abyss is going to have to work fast, before kaeya corruptes the memories with his drinking habits

[@catlin3949]

LOL who knows maybe he drinks so much to lessen the overwhelming memories of Khaenri’ah?

[@psychott6]

@@catlin3949 venti type beat

[@InanisNihil]

@@catlin3949 consider this... one of her videos she made a good cause for the "radiation poision" from elements and why only some people which have vision dont suffer from negative effects like normal non vision bearers do.. well beer which kaeya drinks alot of.. has YEAST in it.. YEAST IS A FUNGIS.. and funguis .. many types actually have increased growth with exposure to radiation.. and FUNGI IS A MAJOR/MAIN ingredit in nearly all medicens especieally in relation to our brains.. as evolutioniont and other fields of science.. seem to highly support that human evolution and consumption of FUNGI directly played a massive role in our brain developement.. so maybe all the fungi/yeast kaeay drinks soo much stimulates his neuro network and growh and thus constantly repairs damage effects from the curse if he has it.. hence why he could have perfect memories cause his nerouns are in a constant state of repair/growth fungi have a uique ability to absord radation and convert it into energy to use for itself..

[@catlin3949]

@@InanisNihil WAIT YOURE RIGHT that’s smart

[@camillecutler6868]

Abyss order: "We need uncorrupted memories of Khaenri'ah" Kaeya: *gets a drink in the background*

[@drpaimon2369]

Little thing I thought of: What if keaya's "excellent blood" actually implies that he's not very pure khean'rian, but rather he has other blood that nullifies the curse. Another backup for this theory is that he looks completely different than how khean'rians are described, with a very pale skin. Perhaps his father was cursed, but because of his mother's "excellent blood" keaya isn't.

[@userAsiral]

Intresting...my theory is that he and his family were in the abyss at the time so they wouldn't get cursed there - Plus he says something after Crepus death "This world is truly fascinating" which makes sense... In a line from the traveler or something I don't remember says that Kaeya is bronzed from working so much in the sun.

[@Ashikai]

Yup, that's very possible too!

[@alanea5860]

@@userAsiral well his grandfather was pirate kaeya otself have pirate features like eyepatch +earring ... its quite posible hes from some " sailor" so this actually makes sense :D

[@petrichorrs]

That's so interesting!! Could be true.

[@jonathanwilson5355]

This is giving me flashbacks to that one cat with a blue hat theory about the fact that Kaeya may be part nathlan, but anyway-

[@FireFistance]

I wanna point one thing out. Khaenrians were all known to have a blond hair and an extremely pale skin. Kaeya has a dark blue hair and even darker skin tone. His royal Khaenrian blood might've matched with some other non-khaenrian rare blood from his other parent, thus preventing the curse.

[@ManiyaVinas]

Really where is it written that they are arians? Lmfao so kaeya was literally a breeding experiement?

[@SheWhoIsOnTrial]

​@@ManiyaVinas Welp, I guess it worked 😅

[@nox6687]

If the curse really is not being allowed to be remembered by the world (via the leylines) then that reminds me of the Seelies, whose bodies were eroded into unrecognizable forms and their civilization lost to ruin and forgotten. What if this isn't the first time this happened? Maybe that's why the Princess and the Pygmies is a legend, it's telling of a story older than all of this.

[@Ashikai]

Ohhh!! Wait but that's so sad... I've always thought that some of the stylistic choices on the seelies matched the hilichurls, specifically the neck floof... But wouldn't it be wild if they were like all the same thing...?

[@morlock2012]

Yeah, I was thinking something vaguely similar. This is amateur stuff, and apologies if I'm unconsciously plagiarising, but... There's the idea that Teyvat is a kind of Ark, sustained via the leylines, to protect from some cataclysm. Fine, but Erosion isn't 'solved'. What if the workaround is to have the protected world on a closed loop? People live and die, their history is captured in the leylines, and eventually the stars/irminsul fruit. When erosion takes too much toll, the system resets, using the leyline memories as a seed/template. If that's the case, Khaenri'ah memories being barred from the leylines means it won't came back in the next reset. Indirectly, it might also explain Khaenri'ah's crime - chemia (sp?) tries to create life, but what if it risks introducing *new* life into the closed cycle? That could be bad, and explain Susty's wrath. (or, I could imagine a plot where Khaenri'ah is the trigger for each cycle's reset, and Susty is trying to stretch the cycle this time) Maybe chemia even created the opening for the travellers to come through to begin with? If not, it offers a reason for Susty to stop them leaving, because they changed this cycle but are taking their memories (arrogation of mankind?). As an aside, it might also explain the thunder sakura timetravel thing. Hand-waving furiously, what if Makoto worked out how to edit the restart template, to add the seed on the next iteration. And Ei didn't remember the Sakura because it hadn't been there on all the previous iterations?

[@themagikconk]

That could mean that the travelers are royal seelies, which completely withstood erosion because they were the prince and princess in the battle pass cutscene, hence having the most pure royal blood to withstand the downfall of seelie civilization.

[@ovp3606]

@@themagikconk This is the theory I believe. Specifically, I think they are t children of the Seelie that fell in love with the Outlander. Who I hc as a goddess, because of the twins being divine. And them having og Seelie ancestry makes sense why they both don’t resemble them now. Because those Seelies are husks. And why they are guided by those same spirits. So yes, Teyvat is their homeland, but they probably didn’t live there if this is true. Because the lovers were separated. It’s possible that the twins went with their outlander parent and separated with the Seelie. I.e. they went to their original world. Another thing to point out is they are implied to be royalty of their homeland. So the Outlander might be royalty, maybe even their deity. If they are a god. TLDR: Twins are kids of the Seelie & Outlander. Were separated from Seelie parent and went with Outlander to their og homeworld. Who is probably the god of that land. Were raised there but born in Teyvat. That land was destroyed so they came back but didn’t realize it was their motherland.

[@cckatgurl19]

(12:28) So regarding apples and forbidden knowledge... What are the implications of Venti loving apples? Took this straight from the wiki: "He also enjoys apples, considering them to be the fruit of the gods, jokingly stating that he would refuse to go to Celestia even if he was invited because their apples are bland and the water foul, which would make bad cider." It's interesting how the god of freedom is paired with a *forbidden* item. Just more sus Venti behavior, huh?

[@lyn1114]

He's also known, from the comics, to have gone into deep slumbers like Snow White. He honestly kind of looks like her too lol

[@franklynnn]

i mean, it could just be a reference to the tree of knowledge from the bible? a “forbidden fruit”. it makes perfect sense that the god of freedom would want to be FREE to eat something forbidden.

[@onetrickponysona2613]

its because he loves cider. he's an alcoholic

[@devilchildmike4]

"the apples are bland and the water foul",, Celestia is the Death God's Realm from Death Note, confirmed!! /hj

[@gabrielabatista6016]

I got Venti, and yeah, he says that on his favourite food voiceline; which, now that you mention it, is very curious. Like, it always intrigued me that he mentioned that the apples in Celestia are bland and the water is foul; it's rather weird that the residence of the Gods doesn't have the most delicious food and all of that, so maybe all that grandiose and magnificence they have it's just a facade after all, pointing further into "Celestia is the villain" theories. Also, following the parallels of Apple = forbidden knowledge, what would that mean for the fact that Celestia's apples are bland? Perhaps it's not true knowledge, just whatever they want people to think it's true?

[@danielbernardo2028]

20:39 about the "abyss didnt know kaeya exist", remember after the fight with dvalin, we met Kaeya at Good Hunter and he told us that he had an encounter with the Abbyss Order sneaking inside Mondstadt and "somehow" he got an intel from them about the "Princess"

[@FairyFreak100]

I might be wrong, but I think the point was that they don't know that Kaeya is connected to Khaenri'ah, even if they do know that a calvary captain named Kaeya exists? Maybe he's just no one special to them. Gotta wonder who his father is tho...

[@danielbernardo2028]

@@FairyFreak100 Yeah I thought of that too. But what Kaeya said back then is suspicious. First he called his encounter with them "fraternizing" and never said he defeated them. Second, he did acquire an intel about the leader being called "prince/princess" but he never said the reason why the abyss were inside the city. So im thinking maybe, just maybe, the abyss were there exactly for him.

[@levelupcastgaming]

Now I just realised that "She" that Dain referred in the end of Travail trailer might be referred to the nation of Khaenri'ah not Lumine or a person. Khaenri'ah is the motherland and feminine pronoun is also often used to a nation.

[@shanedoesyoutube8001]

Then you have IRL mondstadt Ze vaterland, not mutterland

[@nutmegonastack]

Could also be rhine maybe!

[@Akiro367]

The story was sad to see the hilichurls just sitting there just waiting for their time and hafden sacrifice himself to stop the ritual years later the soldiers still doing what they were told to do 500 years ago

[@emperormaxwell432]

I think him jumping on that machine thingy might actually prove that what the abyss did actually worked. He was he only one who got a "full dose" of whatever they were doing and so far is the only case where a dead monster revealed a human soul.

[@anirudhchaganty9545]

@@emperormaxwell432 Souls aren't uncommon in Genshin. Souls form from the energy of leylines which can be seen in Raiden's story quest. If what abyss did was truly working , why would Halfdan sacrifice himself

[@Gnidel]

However, there are two kinds of "ghosts". One reincarnates, another is a leyline memory. This means it's possible for reincarnation to interact with its own past self, or at least memory of it.

[@emperormaxwell432]

@@anirudhchaganty9545 Yeah but there is a big difference between the leyline spirits and Halfdan. The leyline spirits were all humans who died and were brought into the leylines. There is nothing that suggests that monsters that die go into the leylines. If Celestia curse's purpose is to prevent Khaenri'an citizens from being reborn and keeping the memory of Khaenri'ah alive via the leylines then when halfdan died, there would be no spirit of his human self to be filtered through them. The fact that there was a spirit at all shows that what the Abyss was doing or at least potentially attempting to do actually worked because it weakened the curse enough to salvage some part of the human halfdan.

[@dreamingahopefuldream4439]

That scene really broke my heart too especially knowing we beat up hilichurls on the daily because the local crybaby NPC begged us to. Hurts even more in the scene where the device is activated and you see the hilichurls and knights writhing in utter pain and Dain says "They're in agony" like damn Hoyo you're making me feel bad about beating them up :C

[@levynoire2392]

Having just finished, I’m wondering if the idea that the twins are bringing back the homeland might go beyond Khaenriah and be referencing the original united civilisation entirely. Like how Enkonomiya is a remnant of that civilisation, could it be possible that Khaenriah came to be from the people who survived the cataclysmic event of the second divine throne (Celestia taking over) and retreated underground for thousands of years until they formed a godless nation and built up enough power to challenge Celestia. This backfired ofc, but perhaps our twin sees the revival of Khaenriah as bringing back the last remnants of their own people. Defeating Celestia could lead to the Primordial Ones return or simply Teyvat returning to the state it was before. Maybe thats why Khaenriah challenged Celestia in the first place, because Teyvat was originally theirs. It does conflict with the idea that the twins traveled the universe and stuff before coming to Teyvat, but it could very well be them returning too. Only what they find upon arriving is a world completely different from their own. It could answer some of the sus things like why did the twins end up in Khaenriah and not any other place on Teyvat, why do our powers already exist as a collective of all 7 elemental energy’s that form light. Theres no definitive idea on how advanced the original civilisation was too. You could say it parallels Honkai and its story with the pre-civilisation that was destroyed vs the current one.

[@kisa4748]

Maybe the twins' homeland was more of a mobile home? One of the unique black serpent knights you can find called the Traveler a "heavenly envoy" before saying he get his vengeance, so perhaps their "home" was high in the sky, or higher.

[@lucius8868]

It makes sense that the twins are often associated with stars or maybe comets? Like they could have been orbiting the world of Teyvat during all those years since the very first civilization was destroyed by Celestia and then, for some reason, they crashed into their world but they don't remember it because it is completely different to the one they lived in. Also the story of the battle pass might be about them both after all since Venti mentions that there was a kingdom amongst the heavens🤔

[@wolfx.2546]

More plausible than them being from Khaenriah, yep

[@tomikun8057]

or the "Truth of this world" is actually not them traveling across the universe but through time. They go to space to seclude themselves and not affect an area where people reside in then just go back down. You could see the life and death of the stars like that.

[@jaxlone997]

Maybe the twins were part of the “family” of the gods that came first and united the three worlds, and the 7 elements were created at the genesis of Teyvat? The Gnosis were later created for the Archons to each have a complete mastery over 1 of the elements. Maybe!

[@turtlebowl]

There is only one truth, but thousands of ways to interpret it. Twins don't share the same thoughts, and it seems as if the traveller is far more interested in returning to the stars and travelling the cosmos than going back "home". Then again, dainsleif did say that the abyss twin "no longer travels", so it's suggested that the traveller will need to make the decision to either clip their wings (which have only been sealed for now) and stay on teyvat, or regain their wings and fly freely across the cosmos to tell the tales of teyvat (referring to the end of the 1st Zhongli story quest). God I wanna hug the traveller 😭

[@franklynnn]

i mean- in reality twins don’t share thoughts, but this is a fantasy games. we don’t know the rules of their reality.

[@ejokurirulezz]

yup that's the plot, as generic as sao.

[@raychumon]

the kaeya theory well just keeps getting deeper and deeper... him being a memory back up for khaenriah is such an interesting concept, but it makes me wonder if the royal blood really is his (ie, he is actually a descendant of the royal family), or.. maybe if it (whether 'it' is blood or something else) was forced upon him. i also wonder if he himself is aware of this and has memories of khaenriah, bc it may work kind of like injecting a memory chip under someone's skin. they may have it in their body, but that doesn't mean they know what's in the chip itself. that may also be why he is seen as khaenriah's last hope, but at the same time according to mona he believes he's done with his past and his origins and apparently doesn't realise it may very well come back to haunt him yet. maybe something needs to happen to 'trigger the catalyst', so to speak, which may make kaeya 'remember' things about khaenriah and could be what leads to the possible betrayal arc everyone thinks he might have in the future (tho i still personally think he's more likely to fake betraying us and uno reverse card as a double-double agent in the end LOL) I GUESS WE'LL SEE ANYWAY thanks for another great analysis, i am so stoked for part 2!! your videos are a treat every single time!!

[@catlin3949]

Him being partly unaware ties in with mona saying “he believes he’s made a clean break from his past, but one day fate will catch up with him” so he doesn’t know that the thing making him khaenri’ahs last hope is inside him or something!

[@haamta]

I've always, *always* wondered how Kaeya managed to grow up and age normally from child to adult. Especially since the Khaenri'ah disaster happened 500 years ago - how is he alive today? Did his family line somehow escape before the disaster and were then safe? Was Kaeya cryogenically preserved as a kid somehow? Did he time travel with his dad before the event?? (haha crazy but Im grasping at straws here) So many questions but still, so few answers... T_T Also, looking forward to part two! :D

[@Darkerooz]

Its why i think that he is the last hope because he was cursed too at the time, but something led to his curse to be removed and start aging again. The fact that the avyss order doesnt know kaeye means that the second they will kaeye will be their main target for learning how to bring themselves back

[@dreamingahopefuldream4439]

The idea of him being cryogenically preserved is very interesting if we're leaning to the idea that he has memories of Khaenri'ah. That would mean that's why he is 'their last hope' as he is someone who remembers the homeland.

[@ManiyaVinas]

It is still weird? I thought Kaeya would be the descendants of one of the Khaenrians that didn't get cursed

[@AOKellyJr]

*Really* looking forward to more Kaeya centered story quests.

[@Eenkin]

On the note of the possibility that the thing preventing/reducing the effects of the curse could be inheriting royal bloodline, it made me think of Kaeya calling out specifically inheriting his grandfather’s eyepatch as “solid proof [they were] related by blood”… Then immediately had a gross thought that maybe it’s not the eyepatch but inherited the physical eye. Though that’s likely not the case at all. After all, the context for it was to prove to Paimon that his grandfather was a pirate (followed by the flimsy reasoning that it’s like children inheriting their parents’ hairstyle).

[@cassandrawasright1481]

Doesn't he also have a voice line where he says "Haha, since I have an eyepatch hiding my eye like Fischl, I must also be a descendant of royalty" or something like that? So the idea of his eyepatch being a hereditary feature is at least a joke he tells a lot, and may contain a kernel of truth. And isn't Fischl's hidden eye allegedly some kind of magical artifact? (of course, this would be true of the literary Fischl, not Amy) Meanwhile, the Deathly Statuettes dropped by Husks depict a figure with one glowing eye---perhaps a historic ruler of Khaenri'ah, definitely someone important to them. So yeah, I think it's potentially legit that the physical eye is a magical artifact that has been passed down through Kaeya's family.

[@dreamingahopefuldream4439]

I'm inclined to believe that while Kaeya is sus and lies all the time, that there is truth and implications in what he means. I really wish Hoyo would put him in more stuff so he can keep dropping more potential lore

[@DrCocofruit]

@@cassandrawasright1481 I just had the thought of Pierro hunting him down for that eye if Kaeya's existence became more public

[@aurone7235]

you know what the memory part reminds me of? zhongli's first quest, when he tells the traveler about havria, i don't remember exact details, but the gist of it was that by telling the story to the traveler, the traveler will carry it to other worlds, making sure their story, their memory, will live on forever(or much much longer than if they didn't learnt it) which is interesting, and a point i think is important to talk about.

[@mikkomuukka1755]

My own headcanon is that the curse is that they have been removed from the "Light Realm Leyline Network". It would explain why the bearers of the curse "become one with the darkness", because they do not have the power of the Light Realm to fight against the power supplied by the "Void Realm Leyline Network". The reason why the Water Fountain gives some respite to the curse, is because it is full of the "Light Realm Energy". I think that what has kept Dainslief sane is because he has the "bough" of a Irminsul Tree of Light Realm Energy, that suplies enough light energy to keep him sane, that has been grafted into his right arm that has same sort of color in his art as the Irminsul Trees in the domains have, after you have given them resin. Immortality of the curse is caused because concept of "life" is a concept of "Light Realm", if you do not have concept of "life" you can't die, only be destroyed. Hilichurls are also devoid of other light realm concepts like "creativeness", that is why they appear a little better than animals. It would also explain why a curse of Celestia causes Abyssal effects. It is not that the Celestia gives Abyss stuff to people, which would make no sense, they just take the Celestia stuff away so that the Abyss stuff takes over. And of course both "Light" and "Dark" are both needed elements in the world, so it would imply that there might be a curse that sewers your connection to the Void Realm.

[@user-py1mo7hl6f]

this is such a good headcanon/theory, I like that this touches on Dainsleif’s weird arm that looks like the ley line(?) trees in domains :)

[@alanea5860]

chinese companies amost never mentiond eath in games .. usually they dodge it by becoming "one with darkness" or "one with nature"

[@psychott6]

And that curse from void might be the heaveny principles (idk what im talking bout)

[@alanea5860]

@@psychott6 err khaenriah was destroyed for breaking heavenly principles ( also translated from chinese as natural laws) they got cursed after war

[@psychott6]

@@alanea5860 k

[@qbee2985]

Ngl, I’ve been waiting for this all week haha

[@tordg1356]

Same lol

[@farajmuzakki5179]

Haha, same here

[@ambrosepenman2542]

Coming back to this video after learning how the Irminsul is able to manipulate any written (actual) records of the world, but leaving the fairytale ones alone because of how it is written in a special way, the abyss order's interest in these fairytale books makes so much sense now.

[@sannasanna962]

Exactly

[@pond_of_koi874]

adding onto the whole blood theory when you think about it Kaeya’s c4 works very similarly to an abyss lector/herald, because while an argument could be made Kaeya would be more similar to an abyss mage the activation requirements are diffrent. With abyss mages they start with a shield while Kaeya only gets his shield when he’s at low health, similar to an abyss lecto/herald. Based on the abyss lector/herald’s dialog they definitely seem to have had some sort of high ranking position in Khanria before it fell. so if Kaeya was some sort of royalty him being more like an abyss lector/herald would make sense. Adding to that Kaeya looking more human like also makes sense when you consider the exist of enjou. Adding onto the theory that the thing Dainslef was talking about was blood, it would explain why Dainslef apperence wise looks very similar to an abyss herald. It also could explain why someone like childe would not only develop extreme bloodlust but also explain how childe obtained foul legacy. When you consider that the abyss order still considers itself part of Khanria along with the fact that if the blood would only be given to high ranking people (ie.royal guard) it would not only explain by the black sepant nights are visably different from hillichuls (who are the civilians of khanria). Dainslef being the royal guard captain would mean he would likely have more of this blood in comparison. It also would explain why halfdan and the black serpent knight seem to at least retain some of thier memorys. However going back to Dainslef being the royal guard captain we can assume he was give much more in comparison. going off on a bit of a tangent, the abyss sibling calls dainslef a traitor to Khanrian. this was initially interpreted as Dainslef might have not been there on the day of the cataclysm, but thanks to the chasm we know this is likely false. When comparing dainslef’s design with an abyss herald there are many similarities so his “betrayal” might mean that he betrayed the abyss not Khanria. Again going back to the theory about the blood needing to be pure, it again explains why the knights designs though diffrent from the abyss lector/heralds still shave many similarities. perhaps the more pure the blood the more one looks like someone from the abyss orde, and this may factor into the whole form thing. using enjou as and example, maybe enjou had purer blood compared to your everyday abyss herald which is why he can shift between a human an abyss form. With Kaeya having the purest it might mean that his human “form” will work normally and kaeya ages just fine. (which makes me the the blood might have some leyline property’s but i digress). Edit: sorry for bad spelling/grammer =w=, childe is a bit of a weird case to work with but an explanation i propose is that since Childe is from teyvat that whole purity rule doesn’t really apply when he changes into foul legacy. Also the form itself does seem to effect childe’s health so maybe there might be a compatibility factor. completely unrelated but when comparing his foul legacy form to a knight he shares more similarities with them compared to an abyss lector/herald

[@Sophaloafah]

I have a somewhat similar theory that the Khaneri’ahn royals had some sort of special type of blood that could counteract the curse and it was distributed out like how Muzan in Demon Slayer would give more of his blood to the higher ranking demons of the Twelve Kizuki, and since Dainsleif was the captain of the royal guard, he received more blood and was therefore able to counteract the curse.

[@joyzmaa]

looking forward to it! what i have in mind before seeing the vid: khaenri'ah actually got what they wanted (ascension on a population scale) at the cost of destabilizing the world (causing the monster attacks which were held back by defense mechanisms they were not aware of but damaged). they were also not aware of erosion and the power needed to withstand it which lead to different outcomes across the population (different kinds of hilichurls, awareness etc) battle at khaenri'ah was a containment operation rather than punishment/retaliation etc

[@everdream653]

Okay, so hear me out. Heterochromia. After watching this, I had a thought on Kaeya. I always thought he covered his eye because it showed abyssal corruption. But what if, like you suggested, he isn't even cursed? It makes sense. So he's not hiding evidence of corruption. If this is the case, what is he hiding then? Whatever it is, it has to immediately identify him as a person of interest. Heterochromia. The thing is the eye we can see already marks him as someone from khaenri'ah. So what about the covered eye marks him as someone more? Someone different? My guess is being heterochromia marks him as royal, or, maybe something else or something even more than royal. If royal blood makes someone special. What about it makes it special? What if royal blood is ancient blood? I could go on forever with this train of thought. But yeah, something to think about.

[@userAsiral]

I always thought that abyssal corruption and the curse are different things Like when the abyss lector says to Dainsleif : "You reek of a corruption familiar to me"

[@Jullieett9]

Also it would make sense, since he says that his eye under his eye patch is "fine", so if it's fine, why would he cover it? Also this texture that covers his eye, doesn't cover anything else, only his pupil so it might be different color, too easy to spot, too easy to recognize.

[@suxzne]

you are 100% right. i saw a video where kaeyas eye was brown and it had a star similar as the one on his arm. they showed in game proof

[@Sophaloafah]

@@suxzne That’s actually his glove texture 😂

[@suxzne]

@@Sophaloafah nah the star

[@harmonialarts]

before the premier: imma call it, ashikai is gonna have a frustrating time understanding how the curse functions in specific detail. Like if turning into a hilichurl is a gradual thing or instantaneous, is the filth they turn into when they die similar to the calamity filth or is this the essence of the abyss in a way, did all 7 archons need to be present in order to cast the curse of immortality? how does Kaeya exist as a Khaenri'an and a kid who grew up with Diluc? Are there Khaenri'ans who had a family with normal Teyvatian people after the cataclysm 500 years ago which establishes a population of mortal curse free 'Khaenri'ans'? its 12 AM where I live so I need to sleep After watching video: Nice ashikai didn't over think the curse this time and of course any Khaenri'an discussion will need to include Kaeya. Did not expect the the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies to be a Snow White rip off with one less dwarf but ok. On the topic of the Abyss Order's plans, I thought it was pretty obvious based on the clues given from previous encounters that they wanted celestia destroyed and Khaenri'ah restored. Also considering how the game keeps telling us that we are outlanders/aliens in Teyvat, I don't necessarily think their homeland is Teyvat or located in Teyvat but rather the Primordial one is someone who originated from the same place as the Twins and established which is known to us as the ancient civilization that collapsed that based on the similar architecture eventually became Sal Vindignyr, Enkanomiya and Khaenri'ah. I'm even more convinced now with Dainslief's statement about the similarities between Khaenri'an architecture and the upside down city as well as the calming effects the fountain gives. Khaenri'ah may be very similar to their original home, its probably why our twin is calling Khaenri'ah their homeland now and wants to revive it as their only hope. Also curious thing about the Inteyvat. Traveler Lumime had no idea where the flower came from and just had it on when she woke up. (Also pretty curious how it can resonate with the elements???) Now I'm starting to think the Twins did travel and stayed in Khaenri'ah together before the cataclysm, but for some reason the Traveler has forgotten all about it. But the problem with that theory is that Dainslief doesn't know us very well and treats us like a strangers who happens to be siblings with an old friend. But then again Dainslief's memory is 'failing' as well which is ironic as someone who knows a lot about of things about us. Also the thing about the Hilichurls is that not all Hilichurls are Khaenri'an. Some of them used to be humans from other civilizations similar to Khaenri'ah. Ukko is a priest in Sal Vindignyr, and there just so happens to be a Frostarm Lawchurl of the same name. This isn't a coincidence now surely? Maybe they want to break the curse for these Hilichurls not only because they want the citizens of Khaenri'ah to be free but to also learn about the truth. Because those who know about the truth are sentenced to either death or eternal silent torment.

[@alanea5860]

we dont know i curse comes from celestia or archons but we know there was never 7 archons in Khaenri'ah we know 2 fought there 2 didnt and we dont know anything about actions of other 3 immortality itself likely isnt main purpose of curse ... its mentioned curse destroying what they are immortality itself just prolong their suffering check prometheus from mythology .. eternal punishment is 100x recycled already kaeya : ...... its basically uncomfirmed he mentioned Khaenri'ah in one sentence .. and itsa just what father told him it can be truth it can be lie ... even if its truth we dont know when they left ... if before or after fall .. but more likely before cataclysm ... that would atleast explain wh he didnt changed into hilichurl but he clearly isnt cursed so his 500y age would make no sense he is one of earlyc haracters with close to zero background behind them so he is walking plothole + retconed by later stories about Khaenri'ah .. and no there are no other khaenriah characters ...dainsleif is only person that isnt heavily mutated .. we also know dain + sibling was killing hilichurls shortly after cataclysm so mutation had to be very quick or instant how dain avoided this fate is mystery

[@quietguyjosh4643]

So i kinda had an "Aha !" moment the abyss sibling is right they refer to the former people returning the the natural cycle (aka death and rebirth) our sibling knows they will die but is trying to save the souls of the people part of what gave me this thought was the fact that when the amplification device was lit up it look suspiciously like the ascention material the traveler uses for constellations and then i remembered that the traveler had a purification ability that they used in the davalin quest now our sibling has traveled the world and regained more power what if thier purification ability is way stronger and is being used not to cure the hillys but to remove the curse from thier soul the traveler and sibling are beings from beyond and might be divine like dain said the curse effects the cursed at a higher level of existence but if the traveler could purify davalin couldn't our sibling purify the curse not save them from dying but allow the former people to return as souls to they cycle of death and rebirth it even worked with halfdan he took the purification directly into his being and his soul was freed as a result im soo sure of this I just had to write it down here

[@sweetflowersucrose9839]

17:25 The certain THING that prevents the curse from hitting The people like a truck are actually old ley lines branches that they likely snapped off of a big ley line. That’s why when you evaporate members of the abyss that are mages, they drop dead branches of ley lines. It is likely the only thing that allowed them to remain intelligent are those branches. The normal citizens likely could not get their hands on them quick enough so they were affected much quicker than the lector’s, herolds and mages who managed to score some. Since the people of the homeland were deprived of the ley lines, they have to keep one on them at all times in order to slow down erosion as much as possible. EDIT: I was getting primos in Enkonomya and ran ran into an abyss herald, I killed it and it also dropped ley line branches. So all members of the abyss that are trying to prevent the curse that is literally drawn over top of their existence from turning them into a hillichurl, they just need to grab some ley lines branches ASAP. It helps! But it doesn’t stop it fully. At least they still get to keep their intelligence and some of their memories by using them.

[@sophiawright4337]

Yooo I think you've cracked it fr

[@teyvatvagrant6334]

After the 3.3 interlude quest and the information we got regarding the preservation of information in the form of a fairy tale, to prevent them from being altered whenever somebody messes with Irminsul .. your insights on the pale princess and the six pygmies makes even more sense !

[@chrischris3279]

One thing I am really hyped about is Pierro, the first harbinger, because we know he is also from Khaenri’ah and we don’t really know his take on the abyss order

[@fumhall3264]

He can't be Kaeya... right? riiiight?

[@Sophaloafah]

Where did you get this information? Just wondering, because I want to do some more lore diving.

[@Eb-sq3jd]

@@Sophaloafah its confirmed now from scaremouche and an artifact set i think

[@Sophaloafah]

@@Eb-sq3jd Oh, I've known since the Fatui Trailer came out because of his mask and pupil shape. I wrote that comment before the trailer came out.

[@stardiamond2403]

Maybe that's why zongli was kinda relieved that we get to keep the history of teyvat in the end of his first story quest, because he knows its only a matter of time when they themselves or to be specific the tsaritsa will challenge Celestia and they may suffer the same fate as kenriah we literally were the back up just like he said so if something happens he was glad and maybe the abyss twin's plan might work out just as planned but it needs a proper way to do it

[@SADshrimpforever]

In the world quest Jinwu mentioned that their explosove expert from mondstadt was grounded and not allowed to come (klee) and the captain that was supposed to some with her (kaeya) was geounded too, so I think Kaeya deliberately knew what was happening in the chasm to some extent and wanted to go, using klee as an excuse to be apart of the mining team and go inside.... so he definitely knows what's happening

[@ShotgunPlotBunnies]

Kinda brings a different meaning to Zhongli's obsession with recording/preserving history.

[@Elbylicious]

I'd like to propose a possible addition to the blood-theory. In Nordic and Germanic legends (I know him from the song of niebelung, which also features Alberich) there's the very popular character of Siegfried, who is a hero and a dragonslayer. After he slayed the dragon he bathed in it's blood which gave him invulnerable skin. However, during the bath a leaf fell between his shoulderblades, leaving a little area that was still vulnerable. His rival Hagen tricks Siegfried's wife Kriemhild into showing him where that spot is and kills him by stabbing his heart from the back through it. I propose that Dain is a parallel to Siegfried, in that during his duty as the captain if the royal guard he got in contact with the royal blood. Maybe he failed, a royal was slain and some of their blood got splashed on him: everywhere, except for the parts affected now. Similar to how the dragon's blood protected Siegfried.

[@zimagzeravla]

One of the 3 star claymores even references this story, the Bloodtainted Greatsword's story reads: Legend says that after slaying the venomous dragon, The famed hero bathed in its blood, for he desired invulnerability. Sure enough, he became untouchable. Be it swords, be it spears, or be it rain of arrows, He laughed and shrugged them off. Eventually, his foes learned: He had borne his prized greatsword on his back as he bathed And now, his back bore a great weak spot, the very shape and size of that sword. So you might be onto something.

[@Ashikai]

Man we really are just reliving the ring cycle aren't we?

[@AutismSharks]

the more i learn about kaeya the weirder it is that he’s a 4*… the dude is SO important to the lore. like one of THE MOST important characters lore wise

[@khionearcherone7367]

My dominant theory for a while has been that pre whenever celestia came to teyvat, this was the homeland of the twins. For some unknown reason they left, or this older "teyvat" was destroyed and maybe the purpose of the sustainer of heavenly principals taking away the traveller's powers (and memories as it seems) implies that celestia is afraid the twins will be able to restore the pre-celestia teyvat. I'm not entirely sure how this work for the abyss twin and something i kept thinking about was why the sustainer of heavenly principles kind of, let the traveller go? Sure they took our powers but after? We woke up in teyvat for the most part unharmed, and you can almost say the same for the abyss twin who is also more or less ok and not trapped in some divine prison or whever the box thing susty used to contain them was for. Another thing about kaeya i that if anyone remembers when you come back from fighting dvalin and you meet kaeya near good hunter who says that he spotted some of the creatures of the abyss order inside of monstadt. He claimed that the attack at the front gate with the hilichurls was a distraction. If we assume kaeya wasn't lying to us (which i kind of think he was) then why would the abyss order do that? This would have to mean that they'd given up on using dvalin right? I mean they shifted their main focus elsewhere rather than trying to stop the traveller, venti, diluc and jean from curing dvalin. Also, kaeya also asks us not to mention this to amber, but if it really was the abyss order being inside of monstadt that he was fighting, why not tell amber? Wouldn't she be glad he protected the citizens of monstadt? And how come no one else saw this supposed attack? This is also the first time we hear about the "prince/princess" of the abyss order. I think that kaeya was trying to hint at something but we didn't realize it at the time. That entire scene is just soooooo sus i keep thinking back to it trying to make it make sense

[@sabrexi7228]

The fact that Hilichurls were not a new thing with Khaenri’ah means that there could have been countless other civilizations that Celestia just…deleted. What if Hilichurls had been around for a lot longer than that, and dozens of civilizations were destroyed, hundreds of thousands of years of history gone because these people were too close to the truth? Is this what Honkai is?

[@Ashikai]

Honkai just means disaster or cataclysm. In HI3 it can take the form of plague, floods, nuclear disasters etc, and sometimes they take the form of herrschers. So yes, in some ways, that is just the Honkai.

[@Creed108]

Dainsleif 1.4 : There is no coincidence in this world , everything was planted along ago. Dainsleif 2.6 See Halfdan : Maybe its just Coincidence or Miracle, No one knows this cursed better than i. Looks like not just abyss sibling was stubborn, but Dainsleif too

[@kiseki3541]

I find it odd how there's only six pygmies and not seven, considering the story is references the snow white and the seven dwarves and with genshin's obsession with the number seven so i find it odd theres only six dwarves i feel like the 7th dwarf is alberich (kaeya's grandpa) the reason why he got removed in the story, i dont know either

[@userAsiral]

7th dwarf was left uncursed ~

[@Perepeteia]

@@userAsiral cuz he never stole "the apple"?😂

[@Birdsong231]

Consider this: Humans don't think equally, we are a very complex species. I don't think this seventh dwarf would target one person, but instead take into account multiple people who disagree with playing God by creating life and inevitably provoking Celestia. What if Kaeya's father was just one of those people, and decided to give his son a different life by sending him to a time in the future (via some kind of time-bending method) to where Khaenri'ah no longer exists. To a time where he thought it would be safe and peaceful. We keep forgetting that Kaeya, as a child, would see it as abandonment. But in the eyes of a loving parent, it's giving their child a better chance at life.

[@kiseki3541]

@@Birdsong231 ohhh the time travel aspect is really interesting i never thought of that! yeah, i agree that the 'seventh dwarf' is more likely a representation of a group of people who disagree with how celestia runs things :0

[@desert_rose888]

What if the twins came from ancient Teyvat, the one ruled by the Primordial One and its shades (maybe they could be godlings themselves), and after millennia of traveling came back to their homeland but could not recognize it because Celestia had destroyed the old civilization and taken over Teyvat. While our chose twin is sleeping from exhaustion or whatever, the Abyssal twin traveled the world and uncovered the truth. Maybe that's why the Abyssal twin called Khaenri'ah their/the homeland because before Celestia, it was theirs. Also the reason why the Abyssal twin is so set on the chosen twin exploring the world is so that we can jog our memories because it seems that we have trouble remembering things after the Sustainer attacked us. If this theory is correct, it'll explain why we do not recognize the architecture of the old civilizations, and even is amazed by it while the Abyssal twin knows better. By traveling, we will gain back our lost memories just like how we did in the 1.4 quest, and will one day remember our home. Also, maybe the reason why the abyssal twin chose to reside in Khaenri'ah is because that country is the closest culture to the old civilization's culture. And maybe Khaenri'ah attacked Teyvat with the abyssal creatures because they were trying to take back Teyvat for the godlings. Maybe the creatures were ancient Teyvatian flora and fauna before Celestia. However, artificial beings can never replace the original and will most likely have side-effects and drawbacks, which is the corruption in their bodies. Celestia sees this and knows that Khaenri'ah knew because of the appearance of ancient creatures, which should have been eradicated, running free in Teyvat, they rallied the Seven to destroy Khaenri'ah under the guise that Khaenri'ah is arrogant and wants to take control of Teyvat. The Abyssal twin sees this and decides that they should leave with their sibling because even though Khaenri'ah reminds them of home, it isn't really home and would rather protect what is left of home than a replacement. However, after the opening scene, the Abyssal twin took it personally because not only did Celestia destroy their homeland once, but twice (because if Khaenri'ah succeeded, the twins would have called it their new home). But hey, that's just a theory. A Genshin theory. (This turned into a mini fanfic idea lol If anyone wants, they can use this idea. Please, credit me though. Thank you!)

[@okularnik125]

The whole talk about memories fading away when you mentioned Cecilia actually struck me that Mihoyo did something simmilar to Durandal aka og Kiana. In chaoter 28 there is this Stigma Space or whatver they want to call it and it has Administrator that somehow feeds on memories of those who failed. Durandal meets whole Homu family there that represents her inner hidden memories and the idk how to call it stripped of memories existence of Siegfried who turned to degradated Homu doll. His memories are all scattered around and he doesnt even remember who he is while his physical body is chained on top of some tower holding onto his last wish. Durandal is only safe from that degradation of memories because of Cecilia Holy Blood in her that allows her use ICHOR without losing her sanity.

[@theotakufangirl]

Every time Khaenri'ah is brought up I am just waiting for the Kaeya reveal... come on Hoyoverse... I am starving for Kaeya content

[@Layra151301]

Watching this video now knowing the most recent archon quest with nahida and the fictional story being one of the most reliable things in teyvat since it doesn't change

[@TheGameRuler]

There's something curious about Kaeya keeping a low profile... the whole "Eye of The Gods" thing on him. His Cryo Vision. This is important because for a long time we assumed the Visions came from the Archons themselves, but later it was cleared up by Ei who revealed that the Archons have no say on the actual matter. So that means it must be from Celestia... But... Kaeya is from Khaenri'ah, someone who may have a high standing by birthright and was seen by what few survivors aware of him (His father particularly) as their last hope... so if it is Celestia giving out Visions in order to spy on the people... why hasn't anything been done to Kaeya? In addition, we have seen that to gain a Vision, it mostly seems to be connected with some form of "quality" within the person that helps dictate what element is sparked within them. Kaeya having one may be proof that although Khaenri'ahn's didn't adhere to the Gods... they were still eligible to gain a Vision. And that makes me wonder "Who's actually giving out the Visions, Celestia? Or perhaps is there another unseen being we are unaware of?"

[@mercury4330]

I think it's also important to mention that Kaeya's vision looks slightly different from everyone else's in Monstadt, with his vision only having two pairs of wings instead of three. So far he's the only character with an unusual looking vision and it feels intentional. ___ I'm starting to believe that the obtaining of visions might be an automated process, sort of like a computer program. Celestia might be the ones who created this program, but that doesn't mean they're aware of every single vision wielder out there. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for Kaeya to be able to live out his life as he does right now given the threat he poses. ... Unless Celestia has something to gain from him staying alive, that is..

[@Darkerooz]

Or, kaeye's vision is fake and he is using khemia while keeping on a perfeft disguise of not being too strong, so celestia doesnt notice him

[@TheGameRuler]

As a reply to both comments above this one: Personally, I like the idea that perhaps the Visions aren't given by Celestia and are something else inheret to humanity's growth. We've seen in the Archon quest in Inazuma that humans can have the potential to wield more than just one vision through Kazuha, it merely requieres something else within them to activate it. I don't see Celestia wanting to give such power and ability to Humanity with how they seem to act... or maybe it's outside of Celestia's "jurisdiction"... afterall there appears to be other powers at work that seemingly defy the heavenly principles rule like Istaroth's power helping Makoto with the Sakura tree.

[@dreybibit]

Kaeya's vision is man made from khaenria. its one of the reason why the nation nuked by celestia since they learn how to harness the power within the world.

[@mercury4330]

@@dreybibit his vision wasn't made by khaenri'ahns, you can read on how he got his vision on his profile, there's nothing to suggest his vision is man made.

[@oscarduron6606]

could this be the reason why hilichurls re-spawn in the exact location every day even if they are killed. since thay cant go to the ley lines they just re-form again after a while

[@userAsiral]

Nah they die. This immortality thing holds up unless you're killed. The difference is they are getting deleted. I don't think Amber could hold up with so many hilichurls camps respawning :)))

[@psychott6]

Just game mechanics

[@bbee6]

the individuality and the importance of each life really is highlighted so much in the story. it seems to create a rift in peoples reception of the story itself. on one hand there is this mysterious MC that seems to have godly powers and is on this mission to save their sibling from this great big looming threat. but so many times we are sidetracked off the beaten path to help one woman, one child, one man, one youkai etc etc etc. and each time we care and we do our best so that the outcome is favourable. which in the end makes genshin less of a story of one godlike creature against gods and creators, and more of a story of a near-divine being coming down to the continent and interacting with each soul individually and learning about what it means to live, love and lose. which personally makes the story so compelling. there is a huge buildup of personal investment and a whole background of reasons why we must fight this or that person. its not because we are a hero, but its because we met ruu, and kazari, and teppei and countless others, and they made us care and we want to lend them our power to make the present and future a better place for others. and i just really friggin love that. the motivation for our actions is a never ending well of inspiration the world brings up.

[@bio-knight]

One thing im interested in is the odin looking statuettes that drop from the new abyss enemies. As it implies some kind of higher power formed the abyss, and the abyss order we know didn’t originate from Khaenri'ah. It would explain why the lector was able to use the amplifier without being effected by it even tho everyone considered from Kaenri’ah in the area was (even dain).

[@jonathanwilson5355]

OMG. just came back from finishing the video, and Ashikai always manages to find the missing pieces in all my theories omg. Everything makes sense I freaking can’t rn- *KAEYA BEING THE LAST HOPE OF KHAENRI’AH ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE NOW HOLY FRICC.* This stupid line has been agonizing me for ages, and you finally laid out the one aspect that I didn’t get. Kaeya is the only normal person from Khaenri’ah, but I never quite understood how important that was. Since Kaeya is potentially the only character not afflicted by the curse, and is potentially Khaenri’an royalty, then that means that Kaeya is the only Khaenri’an alive who will have access to the leylines, hence the sole backup memory drive available OMG. This opens up so many new ideas you don’t even KNOW- *Why are you so good at this Ashikai, seriously. XD*

[@gnam0418]

“Backup memory drive” THISSSSSS

[@Nephtoad]

Has anyone else noticed how the new Serpent knight material drop looks like Odin thus adding more details from norse mythology. Thought that was a cool detail.

[@wildpartyticket]

I'm going to add my crazy theory about Kaeya. The ankle bracelets hint at the shackles of a prisoner/slave. Maybe an overthrown royal blood lineage. Left in Mondstadt due to its history with Venessa. Maybe a wanderers troupe connection.....and that's all I've got.

[@Mangacide]

The most obvious thing that Kaeya has that other Khaenri'ahns don't is a vision. Also this makes me rethink the gnostic chorus thing because now there's a chance that the story is talking about the abyss twin "forgetting where they really came from" so now they believe they are from khaenri'ah and are thus working to restore a false homeland.

[@GOODCHRISTIANBOTTOM]

Watching this bc of the new dainsleif archon quest announced in 3.5 livestream, and this theory is even more interesting especially the fact that kaeya will also taking part on that story, anyway keep up the good work!

[@_mara]

While it's not exactly straightforward, I do think from Kaeya's vision story, he told Diluc everything about being a spy from Khaenri'ah as him revealing the truth played part in him getting a vision. "As the rain poured down, the shroud of secrecy was washed away and all lies were revealed. Kaeya had finally come clean." "The brothers drew their blades, this time pointing them at each other. Kaeya felt that this was his punishment for a lifetime of lies." "But now, for the first time ever, he was facing his brother as his true self." "Though it is a reminder of a hard-fought battle, and the prize that he earned in exchange for revealing the unadulterated truth, Kaeya sees it as a stern reminder that he must live the rest of his life under the heavy burden of lies." I'm really curious, though, as to why Diluc hasn't said anything to anyone or done anything himself about it. I only assume that maybe he thinks not revealing anything yet will help him on his own path, despite having a complicated relationship now with Kaeya, but I'm also wondering just how much Kaeya revealed about himself to Diluc like if he went on to specify that he's a prince (if he is) or to even say that the Abyss is related to Khaenri'ah. Since Diluc appeared in the cutscene when Kaeya confronted the Abyss Mage, I do think Diluc at least knows they're somehow connected. But there are still so many questions! Can't wait to unravel the truth some more and can't wait for more of your theories!

[@LadyOMyth]

Your take on the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies is very interesting. That could be why the Abyss sibling is referred to as rather a Prince or a Princess because they are the Princess in the story. The sibling also did fall into a deep sleep under that of the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles.

[@bellac6311]

holy shit...watching this video after completing the sumeru archon quests and "Caribet" is a wild experience. The theories about the books being a fairytle version of history hidden in plain sight, Kaeya being important in saving khanriah like....Kaeya's surname "Alberich" is the surname of the founder of the Abyss Order!!! KAYEA IS LITERALLY A DESCENDANT "PRINCE" IF U WILL OF THE ABYSS ORDER... sry i just love watching older theory videos to see if the theories still hold up and if anything this theory just got ten times stronger

[@nara-yana]

[7:16] This doesn't seems to be the *Loom of Fate* operation, as both the *Abyss' sibling* (on the flashback) and *Dainsleif* (after hearing about the flashback) have lines to the effect of the two things (1. Operation: Loom of Fate; 2. Gacha Gamble to try and erase the curse) not being related and the events we witness being just a gamble which disregards the Hilichurl's suffering (and the nature of the curse, as it replaces the affected piece by piece - so you can't really "remove" it without killing the cursed...or so Dains says). Totally agree on what *Operation: Loom of Fate* seems to encompass, tho: _undoing / rewriting the past._ It just seems more literal than you think, I guess?~ (Otto pulled it off, duh.) [9:41] We have seem *"Fairy Tales"* (and "Fictional" Novels) being written from embellished and slightly altered *_true lore_* multiple times by now in the game, since *Yae Publishing* was introduced to the story: There's a friggin' Bard turning the Traveller's journey on the Chasm into epic verses, poems and potentially a book like, "right now". It happened to *Noelle* on her visit to Liyue. *Sumida* is travelling the world (went from Inazuma to Liyue) and turning a lot of true stories into "omegaverse fanfics" (lol)... so *The Pale Princess* can, and probably is, partial *canon* in this universe (like pretty much eeevery book we find in Teyvat~ ugh). -She is totally an Elf from the -*-Álfheimr-*- realm in my headcanon fanfic- [17:42] This is pretty much the description of *Sugar's* devil fruit in *One Piece.* Yes, I will cross reference One Piece on every video, Ash. :) As is said on that series: *_"A man dies... [only] when he is forgotten!"_* This relates to the concept of "inherited will" - which correlates to the Devil Fruits (there) and Ley Line memories (here) and seemingly makes more sense for the people over that side of the world than for us westerns with a Christian upbringing, sadly. [20:48] *Kaeya* wears an eyepatch. According to *Oda* (One Piece author), an eyepatch is the greatest possible symbol of a pirate, so he didn't draw a single pirate _to this day_ with an eyepatch. Wanpissu correlation theories confirmed!!1one (ahahahaha jk) ... Also, the King of Pirates (on Luffy's opinion) is the person with the most *freedom* possible ever. *Khaenri'ah* was a nation which tried to live free of even the heavenly principles, soooo their people seem a lot like Luffy's definition of *pirates* to me! (... it started as a joke but makes too much sense.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Eve* ate a forbidden apple from the serpent (devil); *Snow White* ate a poisoned apple from the witch (evil); *Luffy* ate the Gomu Gomu no Mi, a devil fruit; *Uncle He* ate Mushrooms. *COINCIDENCE?! I THINK NOT!!1* [29:03] ... _/Rolls eyes at Ashikai._

[@Ilwenray85]

First things first: sorry for my English! I hope this wall of text is at least understandable. On the topic of Kaeya, they changed his name in a curious way. While a lot of them are derivatives of Karthikaeya, the God of War (he is typically represented as an ever-youthful man, riding or near an Indian Peacock, called Paravani) in Japanese he is called ガイア as in Gaia, both the World Tree and the Earth Goddess. And it is that deliberated translation to Japanese that makes me think that, just like the Sacred Sakura, he is a paradox in itself and should not exist, created from a seed from The World Tree. Wouldn't surprise me if the method to save Khaenri'ah succeeded in the future and was the moment he appeared out of nowhere in Mondstadt, just like the Sakura Tree appeared out of nowhere in the past and everyone got their memories altered to reflect it. Because the way time works in this game is really weird, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Also, this quest made me really sad: if you are justifying the means with a goal, it will make you blind to anything else. Because the only way those sacrifices make sense, is if is you reach the goal. You must, or it will have been meaningless, and that is something that once you reach that point, is impossible to swallow. Those are the villains that, depending on their goal of course, make me side with in the end. Because if they don't reach that goal, all they did (maybe people they sacrificed on the way) would have been for nothing. At least give meaning for tragedies and victims, not a pointless death before the villain fails, you know? Again, depending on the goal. ****** On another topic unrelated to this, someone told me one thing, and then I found another on my own related to it. And as it happens with wtf! thoughts often, they are now living in my head. First what they told me: the Goblet in Chinese is called 空之杯, the literal translation is Cup of Emptiness. 空 has three meanings: Empty, Sky, and the name Aether (as in the myth Aither, the personification of the upper sky) in Chinese, that also is the name of the male Traveler: 空/Kōng. And the Goblet is the only artifact that can have different elemental damage, like the Traveler. If we think of the artifacts as symbols of the Gods, the Crown is for the Primordial One (as it symbolizes authority more than the others, and in Before Sun and Moon is said that the Primordial One had wings and a crown) the sands are for Istaroth (as they represent time) and then the Goblet is for the God of the Void, because the second meaning of 空 is Empty and the Void is pure emptiness. Can be the Traveler, or the obvious reference we have for the Unknown God as the Herrscher of Void. Hell, even the generic Goblet icon has the same star as the Red Star she appears to right at the beginning. Second, this quote from _Commentary on Plato's Republic_ from Proclus that I found when I was wondering about The Chasm before released: "This Time unaging, of immortal resource, begot Aether and a great Chasm, vast this way and that, no limit below it, no base, no place to settle." [...]Aither was one of the three _airs_ The middle air was aer or Khaos, a colourless mist which enveloped the mortal world. The lower air was Erebos, the mists of darkness, which enveloped the dark places beneath the earth and the realm of the dead. The third was the upper air of Aither, the mist of light and blue of the heavenly ether. The _aither_ enveloped the mountain peaks, clouds, stars, *sun and moon* [...] Don't you love when there are different tales of the myths? Makes my head explode sometimes. The airs/aer... are also called _winds_ too sometimes. Aither/Aether was the first primordial deity, the personification of the upper sky. The word _khaos_ means "gap" or *Chasm* (what she is called too interchangeably) being the space between heaven and earth. And as one of the Primordial Gods, she governs birds. Erebos was a synonym for the netherworld realm of Hades, where the ghost and their memories reside. To add more confusion Aether's female counterpart was Aithre (Aethra), Titaness of the clear blue sky and mother of _the sun and moon_ which is the last aither suggested in those lines, if I am not mistaken. I could be wrong, of course. While in the Orphic Myth, Phanes was the Primordial God born from Aether's Cosmic Egg, Proclus also says that, when Phanes hatched from the cosmic egg, Aether and Chasm were split. Meaning not only the gods but their domains: Aether (the sky) and Khaos (the place in between) fell and mixed with the Earth. What above is below? I don't know, popped to my mind. Now this will live in another random head maybe, you are welcome :D

[@sillysmy]

If one is to accept the Honkai Project Ark theory, then "restoring the homeland" could mean to populate Teyvat with the human genome library that (presumably) Aether/Lumine brought with them on the mission. Perhaps the Khaenri'ahns were the indigenous people of Teyvat and the twins need them in some way to "grow" Honkai humans in Teyvat, such as borrowing some stem cells or whatever. It's possible that Celestia and the current inhabitants of Teyvat's surface are another "project ark" from a different origin, and if so, likely to have arrived before the twins did and have successfully terraformed Teyvat, created a contained, artificial environment, and have populated the place with their version of humans. The genome from the twins' home world are perhaps incompatible with the Celestians' biological makeup and require the Khaenri'ahs' aid to achive their goal. Khaenri'ah might have learned more than they should about the truth behind Celestia and were punished for it to keep them from spreading it. However, the nature of the curse takes effect at a higher level beyond that of the artificial "bubble" that is Teyvat, so it is that to be at a higher level of reality, since Teyvat is sort of like a big controlled environment like in The Truman Show. It is also possible that the Khaenri'ahns WERE the very humans the twins "grew" on Teyvat from their genome library.

[@snez0]

amazing video as always! i wanted to add some thoughts i've had ever since this new quest with dain and after watching this video; i've been thinking that the people of khaenri'ah are descendants of the people who lived after the destruction of the lunar palace, so if, as you said, khaenri'ah was built in the same place as the travelers homeland this could add to it, especially when dain says that the upside down building in the middle of the chasm is older than khaenri'ah but the structure of the building looks the same (quick note: maybe descendant isn't the right word,, they could have made their home in likeness to the lunar palace to reconstruct the time when the lunar palace ruled over teyvat) this also would mean the twins are from the lunar palace, which i've been speculating might be the case for a little while now. can't wait for the next video!

[@ChurchoftheVindi]

You inspired me to read some of the games books, which brought something to my attention- Hilis use elemental energy without visions. As do the serpent knights. I don't know if you've looked into this at any point, but maybe one of the things that made celestia mad was they figured out how to harness the elements without the assistance of the gods. Which is funny considering traveler can also use the elements without a vision... As someone who has a lot of my own tin-foil hat ideas let me know if you actually have time to read these (if no I completely understand, there are a lot of comments). I know comments also help, but if I don't get a response I'll just comment nonsense so you get your comments and it saves me some time. No worries either way, I just love your stuff and want to support you in the best most efficient way. You're videos are awesome, and your personality is adorable.

[@aura7140]

An alternate theory to the blood thing is different areas of Khan’ria might have been more or less affected by the curse then others. So people who were far away from a certain area when the curse was placed might have been less affected than others. Granted, this theory has holes in it, as it doesn’t explain what the thing is that makes one resistant to the curse. Also, I’m going to assume the Eclipse dynasty had a lot to do with whatever angered Celestia or violated the heavenly principles, so the curse might have been focused wherever they were. And Dain, as a royal guard, was probably near the Eclipse Dynasty. But ignoring all that, the curse could also affect time? It could explain why time in the Abyss goes slower, and if we’re assuming that the curse is stronger in certain areas then others, it could also explain the weird stuff going on with Kaeya’s timeline?

[@captaindanger13]

11:05 I was gonna make a Snow White and the 6 dwarves joke when people were talking about the Pygmies book in the comments in the beginning of the premiere because it reminded me of the 7 dwarves fairytale, but I didn't think that was actually the name of the book lol.

[@irevxry7077]

FINALLY an ashikai vid ive been refreshing ur page since 2.6 was released

[@rohithvalluri2944]

The abyss order wanting the pale princess book makes more sense now especially after scaramouche’s interlude quest. Nahida remembers the original story of the wanderer by making up a story with essentially the same data. Maybe the book is a record of something that got erased from irminsul.

[@nunu3026]

While doing the quest I had this idea pop up that maybe our twin was the one that made Khaenri'ah themselves in the image of our old homeland so as to finally make a place for us to settle and call home. Unfortunately Khaenri'ah fell before we even woke up. We dont really know how long we were asleep after all. And it does not make sense to me that our sibling wouldn't wake us up sooner unless they were trying to make a world for us in which to wake up and be happy about. I think that from a storytelling perspective this would be the most satisfying way to separate us from our sibling in ideology and have that emotional "I did this for us" punch with the reveal. They lived through and started to care for this land so they want to bring it back and destroy the ones that took it away from them. But we lived through and started to care for the Teyvat right now so the divide would happen there in this fanfic I am writing :) I dont know. It just makes sense to me. It would also kind of explain why Lumine has the flower in her hair. Either Aether put it there while we were asleep or she put it there herself before trying to escape from Khaenri'ah depending on who you are playing. I do not really know how well this is supported in lore beyond the surface level stuff, but as a narrative it would be really effective.

[@ar19158]

Me hearing her say "it's just a fairytale, right?" after 3.3🙃

[@jinx3709]

I think when the Abyss twin mentioned homeland they meant Khaenri'ah, not theoretically their own Homeworld. _The world you once knew is but dust, and the wonders you knew but rubble. Though you should have your own world, and your own people - lamenting what is already lost_ After losing their own Homeworld they came to Teyvat or I'd rather say, Khaenri'ah and they started their journey from there, so no wonder they are very attached to it and after the cataclysm they are now taking things on their own hands and decided not to lament anymore but to fight with the *fate* and reweaving the *fate*

[@sleepyrose69]

as we know, the archons who witnessed khaenri'ah were sworn to a contract of secrecy. but venti, as the god of freedom, probably wouldn't really like the whole premise of "no matter what we cannot let you say this." and also, he's a bard, and bards retell stories. maybe the pale princess and six pygmies was made by him, disguised as a regular fairy tale, but a secret allegory for khaenri'ah. zhongli said it himself, light novels are precious to historians. this is his way of preserving a history long concealed.

[@KallaTheYapper347]

After watching this theory, I believe that the twins may be children of the Primordial one or the first two humans created by the Primordial one. We know without a doubt the twins don't have any parents that they speak of but they remember being told to be kind and humble by an unknown person. If this world was their original home that means that before the second throne came the twins went exploring off world because they had the power to due so. When they came back home the second throne had arrived was about to wage war against the Primordial one and his shades. The Primordial one speaks with the twins one last time before sending them on their way and prepared to battle the unknown arrival of the second throne. Thousands of years pass and the twins end up returning to their home world without realizing the changes it has undergone after being claimed by the second throne and enter Nation-K and the rest is history.

[@pizzajoke3561]

I have had a singular thought running through my head ever since finishing the iridori festival quest… how does Albedo know what Scaramouche looks like?!?! Plus he checked with Ayato to make sure he was going to draw the right person, so how does AYATO know Scaramouche?! I swear, the writers of genshin just love raising questions and only giving the vague impression that they will be answered… maybe

[@taffy9627]

maybe, the reason why ayato knows how scara looks like is because he either saw scara eliminate the clans accidently or he heard the clans were murdered so he went ro investegate and found him

[@finnthefannibal]

Ayato sent a Shumatsuuban ninja who saw Scara raiding the warehouse

[@Ashikai]

Yae knows Scaramouche and Ayato conspired with Yae.

[@CyanideOwl]

didn't he say he had a help from Yae when drawing him? And Yae is ancient so she would know. She literally met him like a week ago xD

[@Rozthedeerb]

Someone theorized that the "it" was the leyline branches. Ones that you usually find on abyss mages or abyss lectors

[@Ashikai]

That would be really difficult to explain the differences in the shape that the curse takes. Would you just need different size leyline branches?

[@Rozthedeerb]

@@Ashikai I'm not sure. I wasn't saying it because I agreed with it. More so one other person's perspective. And I mean it could explain why they still have consciousness. Isk if you covered it but i think somebody got through keayas eyepatch. And apparently it was all gold vs his other eye which is blueSo maybe the royal bloodline theory has some merit

[@samnable1670]

i have already liked it cause i know its gonna be a banger

[@mini-mei]

I'll add another thing to consider about Kaeya: Whatever "it" is about Kaeya, Diluc knows. And even though knowing whatever it is made Diluc angry enough to attack Kaeya, he never killed him or attempts to kill Kaeya after that first moment of rage. So, even though Diluc hates whatever it is (or felt betrayed by it), he thinks it is necessary or justified in some way.

[@Gus-dj1ub]

Celestia: Curses the people of Khaenri'ah The Abyss Order: That's going straight in the *fucking book!*

[@cofeespear4992]

Honestly I'm glad someone remembered Kaeya and noticed how the Abyss and Dain weirdly didn't look for him or mention him

[@frenchrevenge6406]

For the part about Kaeya being the last hope: Someone glitched into the model of his head and found out the eye behind the eyepatch is red and weird. My theory behind this is, that the eye contains some sort of microchip crystal with all the knowledge from Khaenri'ah, the reason he wears an eye patch is to hide it from everyone

[@AthanaSus]

When you said the traveler connected to the peoples of teyvat on a personal level, i was reminded how even Zhongli entrusted the history or the memories of Liyues to the traveler in the azhdaha quest. Maybe kaeya has a similar ability?

[@3044Smike]

Crazy crackpot idea: Kaeya is a homunculus like Albedo, but made with noble blood as a catalyst instead of chalk. The eyepatch hides a malformed eye upon which the breath mark found on Albedo's neck may be found making an eight sided star instead of a four sided one.

[@shadeofthenight8988]

so is my crack theory that kaeyas purpose was to die undetected so his knowledge of the truth enters the lay lines ACTUALLY not just me letting my imagination go to far and is possible?

[@Birdsong231]

That actually makes sense. Since he appears to jot be physically tainted, evidence being he grew up beside Diluc, and theoretically, that means that, since he can age like a normal human being, he can die of old age. That would mean that he isn't cursed, and in turn that his memories will go into the leylines. You literally found a loophole and I love it! Let's just pray HYV doesn't fill it with something that contradicts it!

[@r0mani]

Okay, so, I have a little crackpot theory about Kaeya. If we assume that the "thing" that Kaeya, Dainsleif and Halfdan possess is really some kind of special/holy blood, what if, instead of royal blood, it is blood that was blessed by the gods? We know that Khaenri'ah was the only nation without an archon and that they seem to be afraid of vanishing from existence because there is no backup of them in the Ley Lines, as Ashikai explained. The rest of the nations don't seem to have these concerns. They have an archon watching over them, thus blessing their blood. The archons themselves seem to answer to Celestia and carry out its orders, which probably enables Celestia to keep watch over Teyvat and confirm that everyone follows the Heavenly Principles. As soon as Khaenri'ah stopped doing just that, they were eliminated by Celestia and the archons. So in a way, only those who answer to Celestia are able to "enter" the Ley Lines. But how did Kaeya, the one who appears to have A LOT of this special/holy blood, end up being blessed by the gods? While the archons seem to answer to Celestia, they don't really seem eager to do so, though. So what if there was an archon who was willing to bless the blood of someone from Khaenri'ah in order to help them avoid their doomed fate of being erased from existence? An archon who came across Kaeya and blessed his blood, thus creating a backup? We even have a possible candidate. Raiden Makoto rushed to Khaenri'ah, which, according to Raiden Ei, was uncharacteristic of her. However, as soon as Raiden Ei showed up on the scene, it was already too late. We know that whatever she saw there caused her to be terrified of erosion. So what if she saw her sister blessing the blood of a child so he could carry on the legacy of his kingdom, only to then witness Raiden Makoto being immediately punished for trying to go against the will of Celestia? What if this was the moment that Raiden Ei comprehended what exactly erosion entailed? How it could lead to being utterly deleted from existence if you dared to go against Celestia? What if she realized that she was the last person with memories of her sister, memories that would be deleted if she herself fell victim to erosion? Now, this theory does not explain how Haldfan and Dainsleif ended up being blessed by the gods. Maybe they just happened to be on the scene and were blessed as well, although that does not explain why they appear to have less special/holy blood. I'm literally making this up on the spot, so please don't look a this theory for too long, it might fall apart. ^^'

[@jucovipicapiedra5124]

We don't know yet how the curse actually works so maybe not every Kaenrian citizen was affected. It may have been something you could evade by just leaving the nation or maybe by other means. We know that Gold was able to at least resist it and Kaeya doesn't seem to be affected if we don't consider that the corrosion might be under his eye-patch. So I think that Dainsleif has some material way of resisting the curse and Kaeya isn't affected at all, which could explain why Dainselif was surprised with how the other Black serpents resisted the curse. I also find interesting that not all citizens form Kaenriah were afected the same way. Normal people became different kinds of hilichturs I guess(or they evolve once they've turn into regular hilichturs), others transformed into abyss mages and some into heralds. Then the balck serpents transformed into husks being the only group with a specific transformation. So how could that work. Is there a direct abyss-hilichturls hierarchy?

[@zertvert]

I feel like eventually it will all come down to Kaeya and he'll become (at least one of) the core(s) of the story. Maybe it's just my hopeful thinking, but the way MyHoYo uses Kaeya (like they are trying to hide him in plainsight, always mentioning him in them most random moments, but never when we'd expect) and the way Kaeya's story is told (compared to most other characters Kaeya's story seems unfinished, like it's simply setting up a premise for later. His story leaves too many open ends and questions)

[@MoonOffSpringC]

Being denied access to the ley lines and thus being remembered reminds me of the damnatio memoriae, a punishment for Roman elites and emperors where they were completely erased from records and any artwork of them was destroyed, making it like they never existed to begin with

[@hallelion]

13:02 "What if the dwarves of this story are the Khaenri'ans?" I have a different opinion: What if the Six Pygmies were the Archons, with one of the Seven either dying or turning sides (Tsaritsa I guess). The "poisoned apples" were the Gnoses, and their positions as Archons being their "curses"?

[@Ashikai]

That's a very popular theory but it requires a lot of other things to be true that I can't make work in the timeline yet so it is currently a theory I don't subscribe to. That could change.

[@kehan6252]

About the cursed Apple, I just realized something. This item was never mentioned in the archon quests or any quests at all but in the Gnostic Chorus, they mention the Genesis Pearl which is also shown along with a snake. The adam and eve picture also shows a snake while eve is giving adam the apple. In the Snow White story, Snow White ate the apple and became cursed. In the Gnostic Chorus, the 'heir' who also looks like a princess (probably not lumine tho) also tried to take the Genesis but 'succumbed to the darkness' which in other words, she became cursed. I wonder if this implies something?

[@notmaylea]

hmm maybe it's the reverse. perhaps the forbidden knowledge isn't an evil thing, rather, it's something special that brings enlightenment to the people of Teyvat--- knowledge that could change their perception of the world, such as "the existence of an original god prior to Celestia" or that "Celestia isn't the true ruler of Teyvat." in the gnostic chorus, Venti, the narrator says that there is "a glorious kingdom established in the heavens" and this kingdom is the one seeking the genesis pearl from the Kingdom of Darkness. using parallelism, we can assume that the kingdom in the heavens is pertaining to Celestia. but consider this: what if the good and evil sides are actually reversed in the gnostic chorus? the genesis pearl doesn't actually cause corruption nor is the Kingdom of Darkness an evil thing. since we say that the pearl is the hidden knowledge, then in reality, the genesis pearl causes the opposite of corruption, because it brings enlightenment and truth to those who find it. meanwhile, the kingdom in the heavens seeks this genesis pearl, perhaps to destroy it or keep it away from ever reaching others. the word "genesis" means origin or mode of formation/creation. in line with the real story, Celestia is hiding the truth about the Primordial One, the original god of Teyvat. we can see why the task of safeguarding this knowledge is so crucial. this forbidden knowledge/forbidden fruit could jeopardize Teyvat's very obedience to Celestia's rule. i think the reason why the gnostic chorus seems so parallel to the real version of events, but at the same time so cryptic to understand, is because Venti has to speak in riddles. think of it this way. the narrator of the hymn, Venti, is the Anemo Archon and he must abide by the rules of Celestia, he just has to tell it in a way that doesn't put Celestia in a bad light. he also can't let Celestia know that he is aware of the truth and as an archon is not siding with them anymore. since this is Venti speaking, we know that he is far more knowledgeable about events in the past, present, and the future (honestly, i think this has to do with his connection to Istaroth, the god of time. perhaps Istaroth lent him some powers or left an item for that allows Venti to tap into and view the timeline of events. or, Istaroth simply told him about the Primordial One, if Istaroth truly is one of the Shades of Phanes.) now back to the genesis pearl. our abyss twin was first to seek this pearl and got "corrupted". this twin believes they are now the leader of the Kingdom of Darkness. in the real version of events, this is the story of our abyss sibling: how they discovered the truth of Celestia and Teyvat, and has now joined the opposition through the Abyss Order. at the end of the gnostic chorus, it also says that another knight was tasked to venture the path where the first has fallen. that line correlates to our goal and mission: we must find for ourselves the meaning of this world. but this time, we will not tread the same path that our sibling has taken. we will create a different fate through our own views of the world, and will side neither with Celestia nor the Abyss. this is because it was established in the archon quests that the Traveller doesn't agree with the methods of their sibling nor do they particularly trust the gods. sorry for the long comment. this is just my perception of the gnostic chorus and how it correlates to the real version of events in the game. i also just wanted to offer a different angle to the "corruption" concept as told by the gnostic chorus. as for the concept of "forbidden fruits", i agree with your comment in the sense that the importance of it in game is the same as that of Adam and Eve in the Book of Genesis, who were punished for eating the forbidden fruit of knowledge. in the lore, every character who has had the misfortune of learning about the real origin of Teyvat and its original rulers were struck down or punished by Celestia. but in the Book of Genesis, there were good intentions behind forbidding Adam and Eve from eating the fruit. in Genshin, we're yet to find out if Celestia is actually just protecting Teyvat from something, or if they are inherently evil and just wanted to rule Teyvat for themselves.

[@TheMew35]

I think the Homeland of the Abyss Twin just means Khaenri‘ah because she lived there a long period of time after their arrival in teyvat and before the cataclysm.

[@FrederickSkinner]

Then why the honorific? It implies royal blood. EVER since I heard "Princess"(in my case) in the Dvalin arc I _knew_ they were not actually "outlanders". The sibling knows this and the MC has yet to discover it. Also remember the sibling saying something like "Home is where we are together". They know something.

[@TheMew35]

@@FrederickSkinner Well maybe I have a different understanding because I play the game in german and some parts were lost in translation but I always thought the honorific as a purely hirachial title within the abyss order. Or its something like the travelers „Honorary Knight of Mondstadt“.

[@khristinem.8963]

The whole Khaenri’ah story is giving me Full Metal Alchemist vibe. 😂 I found you accidentally and I just cant stop watching 🥰

[@LolitaLinda97]

could it be possible that the traveler twins were never really travelling between different lands per say, but more like different times/alternate realities of theri original homeland? so maybe their "homeland" predates primordial times but has been destroyed by celestia and rebuilt over with our current understanding of the teyvat timeline? It could explain why one twin somehow ended up on one "path" through the story (siding with the abyss mages), while another, experiencing the world from a different "reality" came to a different conclusion Also considering Diluc is the only other person who knows about Kaeya's true purpose for being in Mondstat, and has still chosen to stand against him rather than with him, AND continue fighting the abyss order, I think Kaeya's objective might not be as "noble" or clear cut as we imagine. Especially considering that objective is the reason he couldn't comfort Diluc when their father got killed. ALSO also, there might be a chance that Kaeya doesn't have a lot of the "it" thing that is preventing his curse from festering. It could also be that he was artificially created/reborn/induced into a coma and only awoken at the time he was brought into Mondstat. It could be that he was artificially implanted with the memories of the people of Khaenria through Chemia and was only "born" with these memories at the time he was to be abandoned in Mondtstat. It would explain his normal aging seemingly unprompted (seeing as he was just a child but has somehow aged normally since meeting Diluc), and would explain how he's been unaffected by the curse of the rest of Khanriah'ns (it might also explain any future decline he might have due to the curse catching up to him if the abyss order ever finds out about his existence.) Speaking of visions (sorry for all the edits I'm writing down my comment as I watch becausae this brain holds 1 thought at a time), but the possiblity of the people of Khaenriah being able to create pseudo visions through Chemia and bypass the need to recieve Celestia's blessing could be the reason they were punished by Celestia to begin with; since Celestia obviously has a set of rules or code that they follow and enforce, being able to break free of their control through bypassing the need to earn their blessing could be the reason Khaenria was cursed to begin with. I don't think it's too far fetched since the game seems to imply that the Khaenrian's "advanced too much too fast" to the point where they had to not only slowly lose their mortality, but were forced to devolve and disconnect their memories from the Leylines. If any other future civilisation finds out the key to making visions, Celestia's existence and political power would cease to exist

[@leek.7046]

Apples can also have connotations with immortality as a whole. In Norse Mythos it is golden apples made by Idunn (wife of Bragi; patron of poetry. Spring mother and patron of youthfulness) that grant the Aesir their immortality, cause the Norse "gods" aren't actually immortal and actually closer to humans than one might think- If put into context with the forbidden fruit motive, a curse of immortality through forbidden knowledge symbolized by an apple, feels very deliberate. It fits together quite nicely.

[@scaramouche8340]

Please do a follow up on this with the new information in the quest

[@teunbugwood]

yes I also came here after hearing the things in the new archon quest.

[@chaddickhaut140]

Consider in conjunction with the idea of the apple in the story representing forbidden knowledge (similar to the biblical fruit of knowledge of good and evil) the forbidden knowledge that King Deshret and Rukhadevata sacrificed themselves to eradicate. This forbidden knowledge is cursed, and brings death (as per the story and underlying myths). But what is the knowledge itself, in this case? I suspect it's related to humans striving to overcome the limitations placed upon them by the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. Like the alchemists of old, they sought immortality through human achievements, and the Sustainer shut them down and cursed the data related to it. This curse was powerful enough to afflict even the gods/Archons.

[@Wolf_Dominic]

I think this is an interesting one, I think that the sibling was expecting the traveler to go through the exact same thing they went through, but evidently, the Traveler’s journey has been very different from the twin. Another thing that I don’t feel the sibling had was Paimon, i think that Paimon has had a greater effect on the traveler than most people give her credit for.

[@EduardoWeidmanBarijan]

This patch is full of theorycrafting material. Can't wait to see your thoughts on the Chasm nail and the oddly shaped stones, that looks like the Sustainer cube attacks.

[@GeneSysFNLT]

It would be so cool if we actually got 5 other people like Kaeya, to complete the 6 dwarves.

[@LightningNinja2]

When you were describing "breaking fate" I believe that is the end result of paracausality.

[@SweetDee101]

Here's the thing though, kaeya it's from kanri. Wouldn't take mean there is a line that wasn't cursed because the curse happened way longer than 10 or so years ago

[@rodrigo123miranda]

As the video was ending I just realized that as the main twin you are also getting to know Teyvat by traveling and meeting its peoples. There might be a time when the Heavenly Principles or some other God may want to destroy the whole world and this twin can be used as the backed up memory to reconstruct it 😮

[@nicoleannefabian]

the apple lore makes me think of how venti is fond of apples..

[@draconpern4132]

What if royal blood is just a unified civilization technology like a vaccine, and can do all sorts of things like resonate with element, activate teleporter network, nullify cruse. But when the heavenly principle/aliens arrived they stopped people from using that technology. Khaenri'ah was doing research to bring it back, and that's also why they can teleport as paimon mentioned. May be Kaeya's eye has the device to fully reactivate the technology, like the blood is the hardware but the device has software to activate things... And visions are part of that technology.