Wait, FROZEN Solved the Dyatlov Pass Mystery?

[@AlexRising_]

Elsa: The cold never bothered me anyway. The hikers: MUST BE NICE.

[@mirjanbouma]

My sides are slain 😂😂🤣🤣🤣👍🏻

[@torrilarsen6503]

That is sick and twisted and you are awesome for it

[@terrirobinson3876]

Alex, you win the internet!

[@morgangrant3479]

It must be nice, it must be niiice. To have the elements on your side

[@AlexRising_]

@@morgangrant3479 I WHEEZED

[@beejeweled02]

lmao caitlin really said "disney did a great job solving this cold case! don't forget the cold case they caused"

[@emma7933]

I know!

[@BBaaaaa]

Love her for it.

[@ConradTwigs]

Why we stan her! 🖤

[@ep6808]

What cold case did they cause?? 😳

[@ep6808]

Nevermind I just finished the video

[@Fauxsushi]

I swear Caitlin needs to make her own podcast called 'no one's asking' where she just tells stories that she finds interesting and she takes no requests. I would listen to that.

[@bayani6302]

oh my god, a caitlin podcast would be a godsend

[@justinefontaine4540]

@@bayani6302 She had one for a while. It's called "Death in the Afternoon" but they haven't made any new episodes since 2019.

[@Zoreta]

Not requests, but suggestions might be fun. There are so many obscure but intriguing deaths, that Caitlin may not know about, but might would find worthy of discussion.

[@scouttyra]

+

[@boboneill4828]

I was browsing and I saw her show about the dam break in LA and clicked it on. Had never heard of her but I was mesmerized! I’ve been binging since. Stories that I realized had fascinated me all my life but really didn’t know much about them (cannibalism)! I want to become a patron but I don’t know how that works. Hardest working person in LA!

[@coreyparson9906]

"All this has happened before and it will happen again." Literal chills. I wish there were more safeguards in place for child actors.

[@kevinmcdonald951]

It did in 1993

[@NA-AN]

@@kevinmcdonald951so far looking at all the child actors whose lives turned out wrong it seems those safeguards aren’t good enough.

[@anactualalpaca7016]

@@NA-AN Look up Judith Barsi. Fucking gut-wrenching story.

[@NA-AN]

@@anactualalpaca7016 I get the impression I’m about to have a depressing day, I guess I’ll read about it.

[@thatsnotmyname9647]

Bobby's mother may not have blamed them, but firing him and not even letting him know? the humiliation of being turned away from the studio, being told that you're too old and have too much acne to be cute anymore. That's a cruel thing to do to a kid.

[@Sassy-Grace]

Especially a kid whose entire self worth likely revolved around his work.

[@happeedaze1]

Just heart wrenching. I literally gulped and had a heart ache when I heard that. This is a other reason I dislike Disney. Not a big deal in my family.

[@JenileaBedelia]

They did the same thing to Michael Jackson. Not Disney. But like... the world...

[@thomson872]

@@JenileaBedelia Actually, his parents did that to him; especially his father.

[@annakeye]

@@thomson872 I would've thought they would have had some legal redress about breaking contract. Regardless, your comment regarding his father is an interesting one because it could be argued that Disney fulfilled the role of a father that he always wanted. Seemingly loving, encouraging, fun, busy and exciting, good food and clothing. But just as his own father had done, Disney turned on him and all the messages his old man had probably given him were reinforced by the poor treatment by Disney. No wonder the guy turned to drugs.

[@CaribouKai]

"And the animators were like, 'That is extremely wacky...and we would like to be a part of it.'" Me, who went to college for animation and know exactly What We're Like: "Yep that tracks."

[@poke-talia268]

Before covid, my school had a haphazard shrine in the main animation classroom. Someone also got drop kicked in there.

[@bananasinfrench]

Seconded

[@adrianazashen]

Me before she said that: "that sounds awesome!" 😂

[@emilycottingham99]

I absolutely love Everyone’s Asking/No one’s Asking

[@ThePattiable]

It's become my favorite

[@AxxLAfriku]

WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HOT girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest KZbinr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear 3mi

[@JCetto.2612]

WAIT WHAT???

[@princeapoopoo5787]

I never ask but the answer I get is not unwanted.

[@sarahaubrey320]

I love it because I get to hear about something that I have no idea about which I love!

[@PeninsulaPaintings]

There's a Bobby Driscoll story in pretty much every era of cinema, and we're FINALLY noticing that it's not a coincidence. Child stars get so much shit for growing up and sometimes getting into trouble, or cracking under the pressure of being constantly surveillanced, treated like circus monkeys and worked like horses - sometimes even being abused sexually, mentally, financially and physically. Terrible parents are often a factor too, but fame can be soul crushing for the young. They're not allowed to be human and make mistakes without being viciously mocked and/or publicly berated, it's awful. I hope we can reach a point where derailed child stars get immediate support from the public, and shame journalists who try and sensationalize their suffering.

[@maryannswanson3832]

Right on!

[@gabbyb9418]

I feel we are turning in the direction of that ideal. But we still make mistakes. I think education is the best solution. Usually people berate or joke around bc they don't understand. Anyone with a developed sense of empathy can learn. Imo, most of the time its pure ignorance of just not understanding how mental health problems work. Like with even influencers. Some have severe mental health issues and people will berate them. Like, people wanting to deplatform Eugenia Cooney for "self harm" when in reality its deplatforming bc she is sick, essentially saying, if you are visibly not well, then you don't deserve your channel. We just have to keep educating and educating.

[@Daisy30y03]

Well said

[@username-unavailable]

How did I not see this comment when I initially watched the video. I have such an interesting opinion to add to this thread. Well I do think we are moving away from commodifying actual people in the form of child stars we are moving towards commodifying people in the form of child stars in online media. And certainly there are creators who refuse to participate in that and refuse to show their children's faces without their children's consent which because their children are under a certain age and cannot speak that's impossible. Unnatural vegan as much as I don't like her anymore- made the correct decision to never show her child face or give the gender of her child. But then we have situations like Daddy of five. Not to mention every single mommy blogger who thinks that documenting their child's neurodiverse meltdowns is helpful to other moms. There is so much endless content online that kids didn't consent to. Even great parents like this person I know in real life who is a teacher she got artificially inseminated and is raising a child on her own. She is so smart well-minded and a loving mother but she post pictures of her kid naked even. I have other friends who have kids and they won't post their kids online at all out of fear of being stalked or whatever and I think that's a little bit far but I also don't know what a healthy Middle ground is. I don't think it's abnormal to want to share pictures of your child with the world and your friends on social media but I also think it's very experimental because we haven't been living through it for a long time we've had cameras and we've had the ability to document precious moments but not share them as widely as we have. I wonder if there are people from like America's funniest home videos from the '80s and '90s who had their precious moments laughed at by wider America how they feel about it now as adults. I just wish there was more data

[@DivineDawn]

Itll never happen in my opinion the worlds getting worse not better sadly.

[@jasonhorton]

This is such an interesting connection. Maybe Disney can solve the Black Dahlia case next?

[@gingergrant1057]

Can you imagine, “Yeah, we had to figure out how long it took for a bisected body to completely drain of blood, for plot reasons, and we figured we could try to solve it during our lunch break.” -Disney Intern

[@OGamerGirl92]

The son of the man who last saw her is a retired lac da (Los Angeles County DA). He firmly believes his dad murdered her still to this day.

[@beckstheimpatient4135]

@@OGamerGirl92 I read that article. Apparently the father was a surgeon, had the connections necessary to have met her, no alibi, and enough psychopathic traits that his son (who put the pieces together after the father's death) is both personally and professionally convinced it was him.

[@OGamerGirl92]

@@cat-tb7nh who solved it because it's still classified as unsolved in the LAPD files

[@OGamerGirl92]

@@beckstheimpatient4135 he remembers her at the house with his dad for something as well when he was a kid

[@m.m.7552]

I feel like the "no one is askings" stories are always the most important ones

[@evilbob840]

I agree, they are less, "no one wants to know this," and more, "no one knew they wanted to know this."

[@gooley9849]

Okay then, WHY IS NO ONE ASKING WHY BILLY LOOKS LIKE WOODY BUT A CHILD

[@KJ-wk9gj]

Caitlin makes some of the most unique and interesting content on the internet...or anywhere actually. She’s a treasure.

[@wordforger]

@@evilbob840 Another good channel for that kind of thing is "Today I Found Out."

[@sandydog426]

Caitlyn has a way of pulling back the curtains of the theatrics surrounding these conspiracy theories that reminds me that there’s real human beings at the center of it all. No grand schemes. No aliens. Just some poor unfortunate people who died cold and scared. Thanks for putting the humanity back in these types of stories and reminding us that they aren’t just fun conspiracy fodder, Caitlyn❤️

[@peetrpeetr]

I'm not the only person who wondered for years about the Dyatlov mystery.

[@ShiftingFixations]

The science is as interesting, if not MORE so than “aliens,” to me. I super appreciative of this kind of stuff, we can learn so much. I hope the Dyatlov Pass hikers families can at least get some closure from having this put to rest.

[@bromptondevice7685]

@@ShiftingFixations I agree. It's like the generally accepted theory about the Marie Celeste is more interesting and heartbreaking than all the alien/supernatural conjecture.

[@sandydog426]

@@peetrpeetr I know! So fascinating.

[@sepiasmith5065]

100%

[@betsysoutherland6069]

It would be so much more compassionate if Disney found a way to keep child actors employed while they go through those awkward teenage years. Internships, training programs, educational sabbatical, anything is better than being dropped like that.

[@maryannswanson3832]

Yes I agree they are the top make-up people. Cover up those zits! And he was still so cute, I'm sure he could have been enjoyed as a teen actor. 👍

[@avah4455]

I’m so sure they could afford it too

[@ds29912]

Yeah. If Disney could they would push them immediately into porn. Disney is perverse.

[@shelbiepollito]

How about just continue showing the actors at these ages? Haha there is nothing wrong with puberty.

[@alleycat616]

@@shelbiepollitoexactly, like there’s not tween shows? If people are concerned about the physical “attractiveness” of children this age that says more about them than anything else…

[@atan7260]

"All of this has happened before and it will all happen again" yeah that's creepy in the context of dumping child stars for growing up.

[@rhyfeddu]

Weird. That line was used prominently in the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Was that some odd homage to Peter Pan? If so, I don't get it. lol

[@Arcana_Jester]

@@rhyfeddu Second Star to the right?

[@rhyfeddu]

@@Arcana_Jester "All this has happened before, and will happen again." 🤖

[@Arcana_Jester]

@@rhyfeddu lol Yes I meant that was the homage meaning (or they were hoping you wouldn't notice). Also making a way-too-subtle creepy reference to child stars.

[@dougspidermanhappy]

South Park’s episode about Britney - she’s mistreated until she dies horribly - shows everyone moving on to Christina Aguilera at the end. Been a long time since I saw it, but it’s definitely what we do with some female stars and child stars.

[@mywalterego9248]

I worked at a camp for three years with a grandson of Bobby Driscoll. Spitting image and always quick to laugh, he reminded me of Peter Pan. I told him that one day and he told me who his grandfather was and the fate of his patriarch. Sad story. Thanks for highlighting it.

[@matthewfloyd2195]

What makes Bobby Driscoll's untimely death much more sadder is that while he was dying alone, he found himself in roughly the same area that he had acted in 20 years earlier. In 1947, Bobby Driscoll had the leading role in The Window, basically film noir's version of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. That seriously underrated film, made for RKO Studios, was shot on location in New York's Lower East Side, back then the site for tenement buildings. Within twenty years of The Window's production, the same child star who played, worked and acted in that neighborhood would be sadly found dead roughly in that same area, albeit in the next neighborhood, East Village. One wonders that when Driscoll was dying, had he thought back to his childhood, and of the simpler times he himself had whilst making The Window. I hope that he died thinking about happier memories and at peace with himself. R.I.P. Bobby Driscoll

[@coyoteartist]

I'm going to hazard, he might have gone to that location deliberately.

[@elizabetha3936]

Same. I hope his last moments were peaceful.

[@coyoteartist]

@@elizabetha3936 I hope that too.

[@noneyayeast]

@@coyoteartist of course he went there deliberatly, deliberatly to get some of the good heroin they was pushing back then!

[@sunflowers730]

What does that have to do with dyatlov pass?

[@kodythomas9880]

It’s so wild to hear Britney’s young, deeper voice before they started forcing her into that baby voice affect

[@isabellind1292]

She still uses her baby voice but turns it on and off. It's very strange for a woman of nearly 40 yrs old.

[@GirtheAlienGoldfish]

@@isabellind1292 Because it's iconic. She's a genuinely good singer, though.

[@isabellind1292]

@@GirtheAlienGoldfish I'm talking about her talking, lol!

[@iheartart0827]

apparently she was supposed to be at christina aguilera's level of vocals, but apparently it would be hard to have her sound like christina so they decided to make her use the whole baby voice to make her stand out.

[@ohno7153]

@@GirtheAlienGoldfish but it fucked up her voice though since it isn’t her natural pitch.

[@rainb214]

Gotta love that bit with Disney breaking the contract 3 whole years early for puberty like no one involved in setting it up along the timing they did had any idea that kids grow up. RIP poor guy

[@LusiaEyre]

He probably did not glow up enough to their liking. He turned from a cute kid into an awkward, spotty and squeaky-voiced teen instead of a "dream-boat" you can re-market as a heartthrob or something. And they didn't want to wait for him to turn into a butterfly.

[@___LC___]

In the meantime, studios had made movies with actors such as Mickey Roonie, who is no looker. Bobby could have played many roles or done voice acting for Disney, but instead they threw him out like trash...then he died and was unceremoniously buried in a mass grave. Some might say those who rest on Hart Island have also been thrown away like trash. The first child in NYC to die of AIDS is another to be placed on the island. Buried away from others and under 14 feet of earth, as people didn’t know how transmissible HIV was at the time. It is one grave that can be easily found, as it was placed far from others.

[@shockingheaven]

Sounds like the people who get puppies and them throw them out once they've grown because they "didn't know the dog was going to get that big".

[@rosiejl2798]

These days they just give child stars hitting puberty serious medication that is meant for severe acne and turn a blind eye to diets that turn into eating disorders to delay children from physically developing.

[@johannaheider5155]

Its said that he got a very bad case of acne (which wasn't too easy to hide apparently), so they couldn't have known about that when making the contract, but yeah that whole story is awful. I'm also surprised that they could just break that contract so easily

[@TraciHinesMusic]

Thank you for taking about Bobby Driscoll. Not enough people talk about him and his life and talent. The real life Peter Pan’s story is so heartbreaking. I hope he is at peace now and knows how much he has impacted generations through his performances, especially with that film. Love your videos Caitlin. ❤️

[@lucystaryear4152]

Didn't expect I would find one of my role models here. 😅 Traci Hines following Caitlin Doughty? No way, my day is perfect! 😅❤️❤️❤️

[@mamawchip9426]

I pray that those “religious pamphlets” found with his body brought him to accept Christ’s gift of salvation before he passed.

[@etopr4986]

Lol dead

[@NordicFireDKK]

@@mamawchip9426 i hope we fix our society instead of hoping for an afterlife that may or may not exist. If God really cared then people wouldnt suffer the way that they do.

[@omniphage9391]

@@mamawchip9426 sickening

[@jessicahare5910]

That was one of the most empathetic and compassionate breakdowns of child stardom that I have ever seen. You have a beautiful soul, and I really appreciate you.

[@pammgurl]

yes! I love Caitlin, she's like that cool aunt I wish I had. One of the nicest

[@misspat7555]

Can confirm that being told how wonderful you are until X point, then finding out that you can't actually make it in the world of adulthood, is devastating, and I understand how a person could end up trying drugs to escape the bitter, lonely agony. Bad enough to be told from toddler hood what a "bad, stupid, worthless" etc. person you are, but even worse to find that the adoration of how wonderful you were was always temporary, doomed to end as you aged... Not into a retirement home, but simply through adolescence and into adulthood.

[@ishy7856]

So many child stars were used abominably. So horrible Disney wouldn't help his mum try to find him.... so much wealth... so little caring

[@ash_tray]

As a heroin addict 2 years in recovery… the compassion in your voice brought me to tears. Not the story itself, though it’s heartbreaking. But the way you spoke about him.. you said “his illness got worse”.. it truly is an illness. We do not want this life. Thank you for your kindness

[@hypochlorite]

probably don't even remeber making this comment, but congrats on 3 years sobriety!!

[@undrwatropium3724]

I'm also 2 years clean from heroin and meth

[@rlyrosy]

i hope you're still doing well now :)

[@Egress00]

Congratulations! That's amazing ^^

[@Egress00]

​@@undrwatropium3724 that's amazing too! Congrats (:

[@SouthPawArtist]

Bobby Driscoll’s story is heartbreaking. So sad that some people made him think he could fly but ended up making it difficult for him to think happy thoughts.

[@lizzychrome7630]

This should be pinned.

[@McSquiddington]

What's even sadder is that the climate that allowed for cases like Driscoll's to occur is still largely tolerated in Hollywood. He was one of several other child actors who were bullied or abused into giving out exactly the kind of performance directors sought (see Mickey Rooney or Judy Garland, for example) and who were never properly compensated for it. The modern era's given us former Disney heartthrobs pulling stylistic one-eighties as a sort of unvoiced and desperate cry for help. Again, see Spears and Cyrus. The most we've ever gotten is MeToo's wave of testimonies, and Harvey Weinstein's trial, if any roughly-related and adjacent forms of retribution are considered. Hollywood's frustratingly good at hermetically sealing its victims inside its own bubble.

[@O_Ciel_Phant0mhive]

exactly....the hypocricy.

[@LyralioRC]

@@McSquiddington On a lighter note, your comment reminded me of how Stanley Kubrick protected the kid actor in The Shining from the scary stuff to such an extent that he only realized he'd been in a horror movie when he caught it airing on tv at the age of 18. (Yes, I know on the other hand he was absolutely horrible to the main actress, but the above always gets a chuckle out of me.)

[@kirstywright5228]

I literally thought you meant several children convinced a young boy he could fly which lead to him jumping to his death.

[@PunkExMachina]

This reminded me of the original voice for Snow White. Adriana Caselotti. She went uncredited for her voice work bc Disney thought it would spoil the illusion. And Disney was so insistent on maintaining that “illusion” that she wasn’t even allowed to appear on radio shows. Essentially blacklisting her from the industry.

[@germyw]

What illusion? Where they trying to say that people should believe Snow White was real and that was her voice, even though she’s a drawing?????? To the point where this woman never could work?? Crazy

[@tanjahorvatserbiaoldslavsh4685]

Hollywood/Disney contracts are lifelong from the start.

[@___LC___]

@@tanjahorvatserbiaoldslavsh4685 lifelong toxic

[@Jacob-Sophia]

And still refuse to credit her to this day. She isn’t in the credits on Disney+.

[@alp5260]

signing a contract with Disney, sounds more like selling your soul to the 😈 brrr...

[@XxdipstcklovrxX]

driscolls line "this all has happened before, and it will happen again" gave me chills. i feel so bad for him.

[@rubenleon5011]

Carlos it actually wasn't Driscolls line in the movie it was the narrator. Bobby of course played the teenage voice of Peter pan the narrarator who said that line had a deeper adult voice. Not trying to start anything just shedding a little light. You're not wrong though about it being creepy and sad how history repeats itself esp in regard to child stars ✨ 😪

[@nowherels64]

The whole Frozen-solving-Dyatlov-pass thing is up there with Jurassic Park modelling accurate walk cycles for their dinosaurs and confirming scientists' theories on birds being descended from dinosaurs! I feel so sorry for those hikers though, and Bobby Driscoll. Excellent video.

[@orange222...]

It's something that sounds good on the surface but doesn't hold up much with any scrutiny. Slab avalanches will "meld" with the snow underneath it if there is nothing between the two "bodies". If there is an object the object will either be covered/flattened or stick out above the avalanche...like taller trees. You can see from the pictures of the dyotlov pass this didn't happen. Also if there is no avalanche activity in an area, that means none, a different type is still an avalanche. Don't know why people are falling for this. Heck the skis are still upright in the pix.

[@XWierdThingsHappenX]

I find it so cool that Jurassic Park was the first to find an accurate running speed for trex. Because the at the time believed speed was too fast and didn't look right on the model. Movement using a model and having It look right to us is a pretty useful tool to use.

[@Catherine.Dorian.]

@@orange222...And werent the bodies radiated if I remember correctly? A lot of it doesn’t really make sense and, if my memory is correct, they wont even let people go there which makes it even more suspicious

[@Nevertoleave]

⁠@@Catherine.Dorian. technically a lot of things are radiated. Bananas. Granite countertops. Cell phones. What matters is the type and amount. Without knowing that we have no idea if something is being omitted because it makes the story scarier or if it’s actually important

[@Catherine.Dorian.]

@@Nevertoleave Wasn’t the whole thing before cell phones? Not sure what they could’ve possibly had that could’ve made detectable radiation. Plus the condition of some of the bodies, them running basically undressed into the night.. it’s just weird

[@WhitneyDahlin]

I feel so bad for child stars. The kid that played young Anakin in episode 1 of Star wars got teased mercilessly for it his whole life. He's mostly a recluse now.

[@ginnrollins211]

I heard he recently got arrested for either drunk driving or reckless driving, forgot which one.

[@goodgriefff]

for real? what’s his name?

[@ginnrollins211]

@@goodgriefff Jake Lloyd.

[@kattkatt744]

@@ginnrollins211 The reckless driving was five years ago and it was because of a psychotic break. He has since been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

[@fantastmic]

Thank you SW fans, you lost your tickets money and ruined a life.

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

"So they helped Gaume modify the special snow code" Me: Do you wanna build a snow code?

[@valentinewiggin7782]

Come on, let's simulate.

[@patrickbuick5459]

MI6 helped Crack the snow cone err snow code!

[@theblackvalkyrie69]

*It doesn’t have to be a snow code* ...okay, bye. ❄️

[@caomunistadoggo4129]

LMAO

[@ladylalazarus]

I'm a Batman fan, and Bobby Driscoll's death reminded me of Bill Finger who died poor and alone...he was the true creator of most of the Batman mythos which Bob Kane claimed and lied about for years. Truly both heartbreaking stories. Edit: Also, I should've mentioned this earlier as we are in the deathlings' comments section after all :): it was believed for a long time that Bill Finger was buried in a paupers' grave on a potter's field, but what actually happened was his son claimed his body, and it was cremated. The son then took the ashes to a beach in Oregon, put it in the sand in the shape of the bat symbol, and let the waves wash it away from the shore.

[@ThirrinDiamond]

God i will never get over the injustice done to comic creators, especially the earliest ones

[@ladylalazarus]

@@ThirrinDiamond Agreed! Even Superman's Siegel and Shuster's story was sad. For Bill, I cried when I watched the documentary made about this. It's so overwhelming how it was the fans who fought for Bill Finger and Batman's history despite the big companies trying to silence it; I now get chills when I see his name credited in Bat-media. The first was with Batman vs Superman, now, I'm so hyped to see his name in The Batman. 💕

[@georgiapapadimitriou8887]

This is some coco real life story !

[@ThirrinDiamond]

@@georgiapapadimitriou8887 oh speaking of coco, the family of who the grandma of coco is based on said they dont want money just recognition that disney came, stole their grandmas life and likeness and left but nope! Disney refuses to ackowledge her UwU

[@ladylalazarus]

@Andrew Gray Hi! With the character's long history and legacy, it would be pretty difficult (for me at least) to sum it up here in the comments, so I recommend watching the documentary Batman and Bill (it's on Hulu but can be found here in KZbin). If I remember correctly, even Bob Kane acknowledged how he downplayed Bill's involvement after Bill's death. It was known since the first ever official comic-con(young Michael Uslan was there, too). There's also footage of him showing sketches that he claimed he drew as a kid that just doesn't add up regarding timeline, skills, and previous stories he'd told. As for those who definitely have more authority to speak about this more than me, haha, like Dr. Travis Langley, Kevin Smith, and Michael Uslan(now executive producer of the Batman film franchise), they are all in the documentary as well. I think the Batman 75th Anniversary art by Paul Roman Martinez featuring Kane and Finger sums it up well. While we don't deny that Bob Kane created "Bat-Man" in 1939, it would not be the Batman we know today without Bill Finger adding key elements like Robin, Catwoman, Commissioner Gordon, Gotham City, the Joker, and even his costume. Today, the creators are credited like this: Bob Kane with Bill Finger. With what Batman means and stands for for many people, it's understandable why many fans are mad at Kane. They *are* technically co-creators, but Kane took that away from Bill, his family, and the fans.

[@fealubryne]

I remember as a chronically ill, overweight, bullied and depressed teen being perpetually irritated by Britney Spears. She sort of represented everything I wasn't, everything I wished I had. But then she "went insane" and I sort of rolled my eyes and forgot about her. But then she made a comeback around the time when she released Circus, I sort of looked back on both our lives. And as an adult I realized, even without knowing all the details I knew now, that she was perpetually in the spotlight. I'd had my own meltdowns but they were never public, I'd had my own struggles and nobody but my family saw. And then I realized we all have difficult times in life, but she was never allowed to have them without outside eyes on her, without people judging her every move. It sucks.

[@Daelyah]

Likewise with Paris Hilton, although I didn't really covet so much as buy into the BS "image" that negative media painted about her...then as an adult, gradually learned of how she had her privacy violated by someone she trusted. When she tried to sue the former lover, after finding out he secretly taped their intimate moments to make money on the side, the former lover somehow managed to convince the media to tear Paris apart instead. She was painted as promiscuous, demonized for trying to protect herself, and it really traumatized her.

[@DarkElfDiva]

Same for me. I fucking HATED her when I was growing up. But when all the bullshit she had to deal with came to light, I felt sorry for her.

[@wasabij]

Every decent person realizes that we should have left Brittney alone at some point

[@nettewilson5926]

Seems like we all have our burdens and the grass isn’t always greener. Though sometimes it really is…lol

[@nab-rk4ob]

Thank you so much for the forgotten story of Bobby Driscoll. Disney was no different than the rest of the Hollywood studios, they just hid it better.

[@___LC___]

They still try to hide it, but are so shady.

[@margybenavides9056]

I learned about Driscoll's story about 4 years ago when I did a report on Hart Island. I was so sad to learn what happened to the actor behind Peter Pan, one of my favorite childhood movies. At the end of the day Disney is still a ruthless studio. Bobby Driscoll deserved better.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

They didn't hide it, though... They just shouted down with hype for "The next Disney Classic" instantly... The right people got paid under the table... and anyone who disagreed got ruined. Everybody knew that once you had a contract with Disney, they OWNED your ass, and would dispose of you like garbage at the drop of a hat... Few careers avoided ruin from them in the hey-day... AND they only survived for already having good connections outside of Disney, so no need for anything more than a "by the movie/show" contract.. The only "hiding" was the excruciating amount of "facade" put up as a "Family oriented" entertainment base. ;o)

[@brodieroomojo]

dont forget the nazi connection and the extreme racism

[@brunhilda180]

Disney doesn't really need to hide anything, since they get to almost everyone when they're young, and most people don't like to "ruin their childhood". That's why they always get away with shit like this & will continue to do so. And if they do get in trouble, they can just throw money at the problem.

[@LadyNekoshema]

Omg Bobby Driscoll! My sister and I found out about him in our late teens and became obsessed with groups petitioning Disney to acknowledge what happened and to make him a Disney Legend. I'm so happy you talked about him, it was awful how he was treated simply because he was growing up.

[@CIslas-im1um]

No matter what though, Bobby probably wouldn't be getting royalties anyways. Disney is a company and most companies just use people.

[@SuperMonkeeGirl]

The history of child actors is very interesting. You’re right about Driscoll most likely not getting royalties. In those days, children’s best interests were not being properly protected. It wasn’t till years later when those laws started being formed..... and now I want to go research to check my memory of the facts haha

[@DollyKauionalani]

"Just another dead junkie". That has to be one of the saddest things I've ever heard. RIP Bobby.

[@stevem.o.1185]

ACAB, never forget. If you doubt me, look into the case of Sandra Melgar, who is currently doing life in prison for the "murder of her family" while she was bound and gagged in a closet for 14 hours. They never even bothered to test the random DNA they found, they just psychologically tortured this poor woman for days, despite all of the evidence pointing elsewhere. It's sad that the brutal truth is that even if you are completely innocent and just watched your family get murdered, you should call a lawyer before 911. And NEVER talk to cops, ever. Not even at a damn community barbecue, that shit can and will be used against you. Or even worse, Mumia Abu-Jamal, a journalist who spent 30 years in solitary confinement (basically being buried alive with food and oxygen) because he got a little too close to police corruption. It's well known that junkies, drunks, and prostitutes are known as "the less dead" in American police parlance. The rabbit hole goes much, much deeper than George Floyd. Defunding the police IS the compromise. Also remember that juries are fucking stupid, or else they would have gotten out of jury duty. Walk a thin line if you're in the USA. If I was still living there, I would never dare write this comment. First amendment my ass, went the way of the fourth amendment a long time ago (when was the last time a cop told you WHAT they were searching your car for? Hell, I grew up in a small, segregated community, and I got searched every single time I came out of the black part of town. I am not that old, and that shit is still going on. To add insult to injury, they named the major road in the black part of town after a sheriff known for hanging black teenagers, just willy-nilly style).

[@LadyLakeland]

If you ever want to kill someone and get away with it just kill a junkie. As demonstrated by Kurt Cobain's very suspicious death that was immediately ruled by the Seattle PD as a suicide by a crazy junkie no questions asked.

[@nobody8328]

Lady Jay, or a sex worker. So, so many serial killers have never been caught, or even noticed, because they target the lowest of the low. The cops won't even look into a missing sex worker or drug user, who disappear all the time, and they rarely bother to have a post-mortem exam done unless there are obvious signs of violence. Our government doesn't care about people with no resources, and we, the population, don't seem to care enough to force the issue.

[@DollyKauionalani]

@@stevem.o.1185 except for the scan part, I agree with you, and it's so sad.

[@DollyKauionalani]

@@LadyLakeland the evidence just absolutely does not match up with murder. I understand that st the time they hadn't really had major homicides there and their police department wasn't used to processing murder scenes, or wasn't equipped, or whatever their excuse was. I whole heartedly believe he was murdered, and nothing will convince me otherwise.

[@ashleya3731]

We asked for the first half of the video but NEEDED THE SECOND HALF. Bobby Driscoll's story NEEDS to be told he deserved far better and the only thing we can do to honor him in my opinion is to share his story and prevent it from occuring again

[@Retrojulie]

I wholeheartedly agree!

[@Danny-mg1hu]

The Russian army is what killed those hikers. Feel sorry for Bobby ouch. That girl Lauren also didn't live long.She lived only to fifty seven years old

[@lynderherberts2828]

Hey, Caitlin. I believe you covered the Dyaltlov Pass incident better than anyone else I've heard during the last 7 years. Kudos!

[@alphagiga4878]

Also I don't think it could be yeti's for one reason, the radiation

[@marhawkman303]

@@alphagiga4878 The radiation is the easiest thing to toss out as being important. One of the hikers had handling radioactives as part of his coursework. Yeah talk about "boring" explanations! Some of them were (slightly) radioactive before they left town. To me the biggest turn off for the avalanche explanation... is that it was literally the FIRST thing people considered... and subsequently removed from the list of possibilities.

[@alphagiga4878]

@@marhawkman303 I mean I don't know an avalanche appears to be how it happened and the radiation from thorium lamps, missing body parts scavenging from animals and some of them missing clothes, well when one gets too cold they get hot and they take off their clothes in an attempt to cool themselves down

[@marhawkman303]

@@alphagiga4878 Except that thing with the clothing usually doesn't result in someone leaving their clothes in their tent.... more so as a group. Which is seemingly what happened. Yeah, missing body parts? a lot of the dead weren't found for several months after they died. Being frozen is the only reason the corpses were even mostly intact.

[@juliethanksgiving5426]

@@marhawkman303 Several bodies were found face-down in an ice-free stream. Due to the fact that they were found only after a few months, the tongue, eyes and faces simply decomposed

[@Carolynnawilliams]

Thank you so much for talking about Bobby Driscoll, and Hart Island. I went to high school with his granddaughter and found out his story through her. This is an interesting story, that needs a platform, both to save Hart Island from degrading, and to get some justice for Bobby Driscoll.

[@nanii22]

oh damn! didn't realize he had kids.

[@hannuhlynn]

@@nanii22 12:25 ;)

[@Gelca510]

That's so sad about Bobby Driscol. It really shows how the entertainment industry treats their celebrities when they are no longer wanted. Truly terrible 😔

[@ericaallisonc]

It's a business, what else do you expect? Most large companies don't care about single employees, as everyone is replaceable.

[@Gelca510]

@@ericaallisonc It doesn't make it right. I've had a job that eliminated our department and lost our job the same day. The least they can do is give a notice. Plus he couldn't continue his career because no one would take him. At least I was able to move to another job in the same career.

[@LordSStorm]

Not just entertainment industry. For the most part no company cares what happens to their employees after they are gone. And honestly I don't have an issue with it. No one told you they would (excluding pensions). I'm responsible for my actions. Yes Bobby was a human and didn't have the support system he needed, that's not on Disney to make sure he did (at least not after he was no longer employed there), that's on those around him and himself. Would it be nice if Disney and other entertainment companies like the NFL took actions to help prepare people for the day they leave? Sure. But I don't hold them responsible for not doing it. It's not their job. Never has been.

[@BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow]

@@LordSStorm I mean, Disney fired him three years before his contract. Like, what's the use of a contract if companies can just ignore them? I think such things are illegal in most other countries now.

[@Gelca510]

I also feel that child actors are put at a disadvantage because it's all they've ever known. They are forced to grow up fast and other instances of abuse are known. It sadly makes them susceptible to drugs. Yes they are responsible for their actions but so many suffer and struggle.

[@sydecarnutz972]

Actually, the radiation in their clothing was because many of them lived in a town that suffered a Soviet nuclear accident and some of those students helped in the clean up. That is what contaminated them. The thorium in the lanterns would give off only very low level alpha particulate contamination.

[@annad8823]

My heart hurts... Bobby was truly, Peter pan, the leader of the lost boys and he will forever be a lost boy himself... R.I.P. bobby

[@tonyamitchell9632]

Anna D That was beautifully said .

[@goodgriefff]

my heart

[@gracehaven5459]

Very sad. We should all be treating our people in addictions recovery with more compassion and love. Shame on Disney for dumping him with such indignity. I get that it is the way of the business but christ don't just use him and lock him out of the front door like a 2 dollar hooker asshats.

[@RadenWA]

As sad as it is I don’t see how Disney has anything to do with it, I’m sure he’s paid decently for his roles and being fired is just part of working life in general. The question is why isn’t anyone teaching him how to manage that earning and lead a non-celebrity life?

[@RozyPoyo]

@@RadenWA because.. because he's dead. Very, very, dead.

[@katieiafolla8613]

FINALLY someone is talking about the boy who never got to grow up

[@LilianTejada]

@seiom jvony she said she was quoting the last line from Peter Pan.

[@Nehu_22]

@@LilianTejada 16:18 It's at the beginning

[@tt8807]

I really need some of Caitlins education on the topic of King Alfonso wanting his dead wife as Queen! For the love of Pupfish, EXPLAIN!!

[@beckstheimpatient4135]

Won't somebody think of the Pupfish?!

[@scouttyra]

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[@Nikki-lodeon]

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[@JulesJukes]

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[@triciabarr4620]

SAVE the Pupfish!!!

[@Maridun50]

The story about Bobby Driscoll - who I never heard of - was absolutely heartbreaking. I'll never look at Disney in the same way. Shame on them. RIP Bobby Driscoll.

[@griffenspellblade3563]

If you look at the stars from Disney's live action kid shows they often have this issue. Hell, there is a reason Disney decided to mint it's music stars in house after promoting the boy bands of the 90s ended badly.

[@kimmccarthy7747]

Sadly, all the studios that used child stars acted the same way. Jackie Coogan and Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland, and Elizabeth Taylor all suffered in their child star careers. No doubt Bill Mumy and Kurt Russell could tell a few tales as well.

[@tunesquicklee]

disney's done plenty of other terrible stuff that'll make you feel conflicted about enjoying their movies ever agian. i recommend you look into it!

[@nephicus339]

Surely they've gotten better since then. *looks at the news on Disney* ...or not.

[@ZeroGravityFuneral]

This is the story that made you distrust Disney? It's a disgusting company deserves to be ran into to the ground and pissed all over.

[@JoWalkabout]

It's sad the fact that there are people who die on the street or whatever that are never identified and there are people who are still searching for their missing loved ones, and that a lot of them will probably never connect.

[@serpentinewolf7085]

It’s not sad to me. Death is death honestly. If people really cared about those homeless or unidentified lived ones they’d have known where they are. Or been looking already at least.

[@johannaheider5155]

But couldn't they find them through the fingerprint thingy like they did with Bobby?

[@medjeds]

@@johannaheider5155 it took years and getting motherfucking disney to help out to find this,, reality can be cruel.

[@guntaf1349]

The unidentified dead should be DNA tested.

[@serpentinewolf7085]

@@guntaf1349 No thanks. Who pays for that? I’d rather give couples dna tests for free if they’re expecting children. I wouldn’t waste government funding in the dead. Not like that.

[@LINKINservicedog]

I have driven almost 13 hours because of the death of my grandson, and I’ll say that I listened to so much “Ask A Mortician” videos on the way. Because of these videos, I feel much more educated on the subject and I’m hoping I’ll be able to give support emotionally and I pray I can help with the planning of services. This is a first for me.

[@itsajokeright]

Sorry for the loss of your Grandson. It must be very painful for you and his parents.

[@lesliehopkins3353]

I'm so sorry. 🌷

[@danaott2849]

I'm so very sorry for the loss of your Grandson..😔..⚘🌹⚘🌹

[@jodivandyk3649]

❤ Hug.

[@carola-lifeinparis]

I am so sorry for your loss

[@Hair8Metal8Karen]

I was thinking about how Britney Spears is pretty much a modern day Marilyn Monroe just last night. It's heartbreaking to see someone be in such need of help only to find mocking and sensationalism

[@apriltaurean3668]

The same sad conclusion came of the voice actor for Jiminy Cricket (Clifton Avon "Cliff" Edwards: June 14, 1895 - July 17, 1971 nicknamed "Ukulele Ike"). While he was not a child actor, he was made famous for "Singing in the Rain" and a few voice parts, including the conscience of a nation's generation. He died penniless and his unclaimed body was donated to the University of California, Los Angeles Medical school. Fortunately, someone figured out his significance and Disney got involved in paying for his grave marker while the Actor's Fund of America bought his body from the medical center and a proper grave site. It blew my mind to discover such a beloved icon became a shooting star ... and burned out.

[@manuxx3543]

Half life's Eli face is of an homeless dude they never found again

[@LadyLandsknecht]

REQUEST: Iconic Corpses of the Radium Girls Also: how can you safely dispose of a radioactive body?

[@___LC___]

Lead liner

[@madnatty]

Lead liner and concrete poured over the coffins. I know this thanks to Chernobyl mini series!

[@gateauxq4604]

I would be very curious to find out what happened to the Radium Girls when they died too. I could read this thick book or I could just have death mother read it to me-a sweet lullaby. No really-I usually watch Caitlyn’s videos before bed. They’re mind if relaxing 😅

[@hjt091]

Fun fact: Marie Curie's notebooks are still considered unsafe to be handled without protection

[@pieter_kok]

For some reason I once found myself reading through my country's regulations on handling radioactive remains... I can not remember what I was originally looking for.

[@javierortiz82]

Not a fan but I love the fact that the world has finally realized the fact that Britney Spears had been abused and her life had been shattered by the greed of others, I whole heartedly hope she can find happiness for her and her sibblings.

[@AnonYmous-ih4vw]

Lmao for a second I thought you meant you weren't a fan of ask a mortician and happened to be an obsessive brit fan who found a video that had a .2 second clip on britney lmaooooo I was like wow! That's a real fan!

[@KaiInMotion]

Anon Ymous Trust me Britney stans will find a way. 😭😂

[@mysterylady67]

@@AnonYmous-ih4vw 😂 I thought the same thing until I read your comment, thanks for clarifying javierortiz82's post, 😂.

[@KimOfDrac]

And yet everyone is still just a "conspiracy theorist" no matter how many things turn out to be true that's been said in advance. Just saying. I've been a stupid tin foil hat for many years and no matter how many things that are brought into the light by us we still remain "stupid tin foil hats".

[@SoulShiner1115]

100%. When Hit Me Baby One More Time came out, I remember telling people there was a special place in hell for her parents. I was only 18, but even I knew that someone was responsible for her and was ok with flaunting her underage body for money. I’m all for grown women expressing their sexuality, but not 16 year old girls.

[@lizzychrome7630]

This was harrowing. Imagine surviving something that unexpected, at first, and fighting so hard to save your friends and yourself, only to end up as another statistic. Bobby's story was also quite depressing.

[@faireweather3082]

I really appreciate your dedication to pronouncing the Mansi and Russian names properly. It really shows how much effort goes into these creations!

[@molly2297]

Thank you so much for talking about Bobby Driscoll. His story is absolutely heartbreaking, and I feel like not enough people know about him.

[@lazyhomebody1356]

This makes me feel good for immediately knowing who he was!

[@Krfification101]

I didn't know about him. I had never seen Song of the South (not sure how long it's been banned) or Treasure Island. My heart breaks for the children whose lives are destroyed by Disney turning them into Celebrities and then dumping them without so much as a "Thank you for your service."

[@Jm96RoCk]

When 'no one's asking' its usually because we don't even know any better. Thank u mother u have provided Britney Spears.

[@rottenhat8813]

Caitlin my parrot absolutely loves your valley girl voice, everytime he hears it he just screams and yells out in joy

[@demetriatorowus9735]

omg so wholesome!! What kind of parrot do you have, if you don't mind me asking?

[@rottenhat8813]

@@demetriatorowus9735 a budgie, oddly enough whenever he hears Caitlins voice he just starts chirping, I think he is becoming a fan as well

[@demetriatorowus9735]

@@rottenhat8813 I have budgies too and they love high voices, especially my male budgie! I'll have to pay attention to their reaction to Caitlin next time I'm home but they seem to really love Jimin from BTS's voice, notably in the song Serendipity. Also, ironically, they love the Frozen soundtrack.

[@rottenhat8813]

@@demetriatorowus9735 that's adorable, whenever Caitlin does her Valley girl high pitched voice he goes byts, he often lands on my phone and pecks at the screen

[@demetriatorowus9735]

@@rottenhat8813 that is the cutest thing I'm just imagining it!!

[@onefinalfightt]

The Bobby story was very sad. It’s really disgusting what Hollywood does to so many. And I hope Britney is receiving the support she needs to live a happier life on her own terms.

[@jamesharris9528]

I feel like the world needs a Caitlin Doughty history podcast. She's one of the very few people who can explain stuff in a way people can understand. Thanks for making all of us smarter.

[@llamacorn-iu9mq]

That would be amazing!

[@jamesharris9528]

@@llamacorn-iu9mq any ideas on making it a reality?

[@Fragrantbeard]

Are you familiar with Ologies by Alie Ward? You might like it.

[@jamesharris9528]

@@Fragrantbeard I am, I love podcasts that make me a little smarter after I listen to them.

[@JeannieLorene]

AND makes it entertaining! Love it!!

[@Up10tionslay]

I worry about child stars a lot... When a little kid gets famous, it a lot of the times doesn't end well. The parents end up rich and the children end up traumatized.

[@joywebster2678]

Just last month I watched in horror as a friend streamed his excited daughter going through video interviews for a teen TV show. Girl is 12 and pretty, her audition was bad. But the studio called back wanting her to continue....etc. it felt wrong to me but her Dad and her were so excited. Finally came down to fly to Atlanta, and pay a big chunk of money to be in the final 2 on set interview. I think it was scam, a cruel one.

[@christopherlawley1842]

Michael Jackson is a good example

[@Thomasnmi]

Jackie Coogan's experience resulted in the "Coogan Law" to protect child actors

[@shariwelch8760]

I grew up very near Hollywood - just a half hour drive away. As a kid, I was approached a few times to be in commercials or to get started "in the industry." But my parents always said NO. No way. I was mad at the time, I wanted to be a child star so bad. But there was no budging them. Now I'm in my 50's and I couldn't be more grateful to my parents, because now we all know what happens to kids in Hollywood. It would have been a terrible experience and they knew it.

[@Up10tionslay]

@@joywebster2678 that is terrible oh my god

[@InfiniteText]

Peter Pan is such a sad character in many ways. The theory that he's an angel of death claiming ignored children is one I really enjoy. J.M Barrie might have based him on his dead brother but even after he was a big success Peter Llewelyn Davies, his namesake, was also followed by the shadow of Peter and had an absolutely miserable life. So miserable he ended up killing himself. Somehow the fact that the Disney Peter Pan voice and actor ends up on a hard-to-find lonely island in an unmarked grave is just another form of the sadness of Peter Pan taking another lost boy

[@ericaallisonc]

I mean... no one forced Driscoll to start doing drugs, he did that to himself and paved his own path into an unmarked grave. He likely could have continued to be a good actor, even after puberty (it's not like puberty lasts forever), he just seemed to give up, as if working at Disney was the peak of his existence...

[@sarahlynch9596]

@@ericaallisonc when he was snubbed in every attempt he made? There was no consideration of treating him as a person. He was a minor and there was no warning, no further support. He was used and then thrown away. It sounds like he really tried to make a life but when you start out super young in the entertainment industry, your sense of reality is distorted. You don't have a strong sense of self because you always played someone else. There should be a lot more mental health support for young actors for this very reason. Addiction to drugs and other substances happens because of a lack of connection, a lack of support. He shouldn't be demonized for his suffering. That was a little boy who participated I 9 different projects by the age of 9. That is incredible. His death and being forgotten is such a waste.

[@catharineredacted4931]

@@ericaallisonc he was likely given drugs as a child a lot of old child stars talk about it that would make it way too easy for a adult addiction Disney is also known for making it very difficult for their actors to get work after them but even IF that didn't happen to him (unlikey since he was back before children had labor laws to protect)

[@nikkilynn559]

Reading your comment gave me goosebumps. So sad but so true.

[@WeCanCos]

The character was based on Michael Davies, Peter's brother. Peter was dragged into the spotlight for sharing the character's name. The character is somewhat cursed. Michael died from drowning while swimming with a friend. Peter threw himself in front of a train. Bobby died alone and anonymous.

[@robinsonkaspar3395]

Bobby Driscoll makes Judy Garland’s life seem bright and cheery by comparison. The studio system was (is still) vicious, ruthless, a celluloid Moloch devouring children that we keep on shoveling into its fiery maw. Edit: Bobby died with alcohol and religious tracts, but no heroine. He probably died trying to kick the habit alone. What misery

[@maximusdork3336]

Withdrawal sadly might have contributed. Especially if he was trying to kick it himself.

[@lisam5744]

Growing up in Southern California, the little, dirty, untold secret at Disneyland was that cast and crew were badly treated, fired without cause (or for some flimsy Disney-only rule...look them up, they're insane) , etc. It may have been the happiest place on earth for tourists, but it sure wasn't for employees.

[@___LC___]

They really do treat their employees horribly. Most can’t even afford housing.

[@tameramorrison8966]

I have a friend who interviewed for a job in the accounting department at Disney when she was in her 30s. They wanted her to have a pelvic exam. Apparently they were looking for hidden children that may interfere with her ability to work. Yuck, no thank you.

[@silverstarfinder]

@@tameramorrison8966 she could have/should have reported that. It’s super illegal.

[@erinaustin2157]

It wasn’t just Disney though. At that time,and even earlier, it was kinda common. Happened to Shirley Temple and Joan Crawford to name 2, but there were more. Especially kid actors.

[@8.21productions9]

I don’t know if california is an at-will work state, but if they are, you can be fired basically without reason and it’s all legal.

[@loudestdreams]

I watched Peter Pan again not even a week ago and was sitting on the couch wondering who the voice actor was. After a quick google search, I fell down a rabbit hole of article after article. It’s tragic what happened to Bobby and how Disney threw him aside simply because he was growing up

[@Fall_Spectacular]

Wow, the no one’s asking bit was great. I feel so badly for Bobby and his the way his mother found out about his death. So tragic and unfair. Disney owed him more.

[@soxpeewee]

Disney is pretty evil. The founder was a misogynistic Nazi

[@bunzeebear2973]

Seems Disney's attitude was "I OWN you."

[@courtneyfarrell8922]

that line “all of this has happened before and it will all happen again” gave me literal chills

[@Hippietreehuggerchic]

If we're going to be honest today, I may as well tell you that 'NO one asked' always takes the cake. ALWAYS.

[@msrandomgirly]

Being the disney adult I am, I was literally asking out loud "is she going to talk about Bobby Driscoll? YES ITS BOBBY DRISCOLL!"

[@___LC___]

Iconic Corpse

[@sushifiggy]

Hey kid, I went to mortuary school to apply and talk to them. My cousin is now the county coroner so it runs in the family. I had worked for an undertaker for about a year so I knew that it wasn’t going to freak me out. The school actually 𝘋𝘐𝘚𝘊𝘖𝘜𝘙𝘈𝘎𝘌𝘋 me from attending for two reasons. 1) I was a female and since most small towns funeral homes were owned and operated by men, their 𝘞𝘐𝘝𝘌𝘚 wouldn’t like me working in close quarters with their husbands 🤷‍♀️, and 2) 𝘛𝘏𝘌𝘠 said that I didn’t have the right 𝘗𝘌𝘙𝘚𝘖𝘕𝘈𝘓𝘐𝘛𝘠 for it 🤔. I discovered you about a year ago . . . You have the 𝘚𝘈𝘔𝘌 personality! But this happened in the late 70’s, so go figure.

[@thePassionatePK]

I am so sorry that happened to you. :(

[@sushifiggy]

@@thePassionatePK ty sweetie

[@ElementalWhispers]

Hope you ended up doing something you enjoy

[@MortMe0430]

You were sadly and quite literally ahead of your time! My current mortuary school class is about 75% women. Even in relatively-conservative Pennsylvania. So times are changing, if that makes you feel any better:(

[@maddieb.4282]

@@MortMe0430 this totally made my day to hear. You ladies are badass!!!

[@MsBabbi]

Isn’t one of the most confusing clues about the Dyatlov’s pass incident that the footprints leading away from the camp showed them walking down the mountain in a slow and orderly manner? Not running, not dragging themselves after sustaining massive injuries, but calmly and seemingly calculated to try and survive the night?

[@mollyoldfield746]

They were probably in shock, shock and put you in a very calm state but you're not quite there, which could explain them walking slowly away down the trail

[@QueenOfCatsX3]

@@mollyoldfield746 also head injuries can really confuse the hell outta you. ur brain getting rattled can make thinking logicially incredibly difficult

[@nj.7325]

also they were very injured, maybe that's the best pace they could manage.

[@dylanneely91]

Or the fact that the campsight was neither buried nor disrupted? I mean, I doubt it's supernatural but anything that would have mashed them up inside of their tents (as supposedly happened with this hypothesis) would have left enough of a clue that it wouldn't have been a mystery for half a century.

[@angelikapotree2741]

@@dylanneely91 Not to mention according to the autopsy, 2 of them had injuries - like pierced heart that would not allow them to walk so far. Suggesting they become injured after getting out of tent.

[@vincentisvintage6522]

“Peter Pan is my fave oh what’s this about-“ *stares vacantly* I want to lie down

[@evangelinanave]

Same...

[@klisterklister2367]

i'm thankful that i now know, this might sound strange but i get tentatively happy whenever i learn something like this. the idea of watching disney movies without any knowledge of what happened behind the scenes scares me more than learning the truth.

[@hollyfisher8811]

Is anybody else with me that Caitlin SO needs her own show on "The Discovery Channel"🤷‍♀️?? She is such a NATURAL Presenter and absolutely has the BEST voice of anybody on KZbin👏🤩!!

[@harrietcraig7817]

HELL YES

[@hollyfisher8811]

@@TheMcspreader Good Point🤦‍♀️:)

[@mybetterhalf6373]

AGREED. SOOO many channels are emceed here by peeps sounding like Eore..... or worse.

[@MarkTrombly]

Discovery would make her focus only on the alien angle.

[@MissLilyputt]

Too bad Discovery Channel and TLC are mostly shock reality television. Caitlin’s videos aren’t scandalous enough, crazy enough or click baity. It would’ve been much better if they were still educational channels.

[@brianpratt3224]

Donnie Dungan the voice of Disney's Bambi (when Bambi was young) became a Marine drill sergeant. Served 3 tours in Vietnam and was awarded a Bronze Star and 3 purple hearts.

[@jonimaxson1729]

Okay, this just made that one SNL sketch with The Rock as Bambi even more hilarious.

[@lnsflare1]

I choose to believe that his voice never changed from his Bambi days.

[@Anna-ok4nd]

The Marine Corps has Drill Instructors, not drill sargents.

[@brianpratt3224]

@@Anna-ok4nd This was before 1971 when they changed the title

[@ellenstewart3720]

I recently heard of Bobby Driscol and his demise, but the Disney rumors about abuse goes much farther than mentioned. Kids should never be alone with these Hollywood creeps.

[@zimriel]

Natalie Portman is out there now saying she wishes she hadn't been in Besson's "The Professional". Her parents were close to her on-set, so she didn't get creeped on... but she was in a creep's movie, so she's been getting a lot of fan mail by paedos.

[@liulfrmcshane]

Huzzah, Death Mother has blessed us with more excellent content! Edit: I am so glad you discussed Bobby's case. So many kids have been screwed up by short-lived early stardom. Horrible.

[@beckstheimpatient4135]

In an alternate universe Caitlin is the Night Mother - passing on assassin contracts from within her little cozy 'box'.

[@BlitzsieLDiscoLSnow]

@@beckstheimpatient4135 Now I can never think of her the same way. Thanks for this information. Hail Sithis.

[@kennethlambert1837]

Caitlin, I just wanted to thank you for the perspective you've given me over the past few years. My dad died of Covid in February and we had a puppy die two weeks ago. In both cases I had the confidence to view the bodies thanks to your channel. It wasn't easy, but I'm extremely glad I did it. For the record, the puppy was actually way harder.

[@MariposaRedimida]

I can relate! Sorry for the loss of your father and pup. I was just thinking how painful it was to lose my first dog. More painful than losing both of my grandparents (aged 75 and 96). I just wasn't really close to either, but I lived with my dog and had him since I was around 6 years old. Will never forget Igor 💞 or my grandparents, of course.

[@m0onm0th]

I'm sorry for your losses.

[@mysterylady67]

@Kenneth Lambert I send you my condolences Sir. 🙏 🤗 ❤️

[@Mxmusicaddict]

My sincere condolences for both losses. My mother and I both survived covid somehow. Luckily, she was spared any lasting effects but I ended up with brain damage. The University of California San Diego is studying people like me so I'm at least glad I can be helpful. I hope they both rest in peace. My heart goes out to you.

[@emmad4308]

@@Mxmusicaddict I'm glad you and your mother both survived, though the brain damage isn't very cool of it. Kudos to you for volunteering yourself, it will really help out big time. If you end up having memory/concentration issues because brain, I'd recommend looking into ADHD resources because those of us with mild to severe ADHD essentially live with permanent concussion symptoms (brain functioning wise, no headaches but everything else cognitively wise). From what I've heard brain fog/concentration issues from brain damage from covid seem eerily similar to what ADHD is like in some ways for some people, so idk I'm not an expert just someone with ADHD who noticed this. Might be helpful, might not be, but regardless I wish you and your mother all the best!

[@jennabreland5261]

So Peter Pan will never be the same, that line is so prophetic and sooooo tragic

[@melanieortiz712]

Just one more reason not to watch it on top of the blatant racism.

[@notforsaletoday1895]

@@melanieortiz712 Blatant?

[@BrennaDraws]

@@notforsaletoday1895 The native american sterotypes. I mean that and the story was written by a kiddy diddler.

[@spookyaliens6286]

Also the part where the dad is abusive towards the nanny dog

[@notforsaletoday1895]

@@BrennaDraws Oooof.

[@bitume]

Went on a date with a guy that was doing his doctorate theses on snow mechanics and indeed Disney works with labs studying snow, ice and water for their renders, so interesting

[@RomulusMorgan]

Rip Judith Barsi, and all the other child stars who were stuck and expected too much of, and scared.

[@manband20]

The single-saddest moment in the history of Hollywood. All it would have taken was ONE PERSON to step in and try to help and she might have gotten the help she desperately needed. It makes me physically sick just thinking about it.

[@Scorpia161]

I had to google Judith's story and boy howdy am i sad now--absolutely inexcusable.

[@corvus1970]

Oh man... what a horrible story.

[@danarzechula3769]

Always amazed me that shirley temple did ok

[@Sunnybunnypi]

@@danarzechula3769 my grandma knew her! I think it had a lot to do with her family watching out for her. Not that other parents of child actor’s didn’t care... they just maybe just were ignorant to what was happening. Although, in the case of Britney, some Disney parents are malignant narcissists

[@wonderwend]

The only woman who can educate me about tragedy yet make me smile at the same time. Love you

[@MariposaRedimida]

Yes, that's a true gift! Love you, Caitlin!

[@ynntari2775]

Isn't it amazingly interesting how the budget and motivation of an animation film made an undescribingly more accurate snow simulation program than the budget and motivation of every governmental and military initiative.

[@guyman1570]

It's also artists vs scientists ways of thinking and portraying things perhaps.

[@morganwrd14]

Bobby Driscoll's story is so heartbreaking. Growing up, Peter Pan was my favorite movie and when I grew up, finding out what happened to Bobby just broke me. Watching this brought that back.

[@emmarubacava]

Stories like Bobby's is why I found it so feckin' confusing when people say Disneyland is the happiest place on earth. The people who work for Disney sure ain't happy.

[@klisterklister2367]

this ^

[@emmarubacava]

@@manuelh.4147 thank you for your insight

[@MikeJBeebe]

"died penniless and buried in a pauper's grave" -- how many amazing people in history, super-famous in their prime, had the same epitaph?

[@Ulyssestnt]

Great equalizer indeed..sometimes that is.

[@bejbimama6689]

Mozart

[@MsSarahKelly]

It’s so true and sad. Tesla, Mozart (as someone else stated above. I was actually going to say his name also before I read the comments above). So sad.

[@ruvoodoo155]

Why is it that the "No One's Asking" story is usually more interesting then the "Everyone's Asking" story? As always.....GREAT VIDEO!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@anelecky]

"Everyone's asking" pleases the algorithm, "no one's asking" pleases the viewers

[@Roguefem76]

5:28 "That is extremely wacky... And we would like to be a part of it." What a flawless line, perfectly delivered for peak comedic gold! 😁🤣😂

[@jessicagutowski1271]

The Bobby Driscoll story is so sad. It hurts my heart that anyone’s life ends in such a way.

[@plantsntrance5513]

Whoa. The Bobby Driscol story was basically my dads story. My dad wasnt a child actor or anything but he grew up pretty wealthy. He got addicted to drugs and lost his family, his job and all of his money. He was found dead at age 50 on the side of the freeway in Los Angeles.

[@jodivandyk3649]

😢

[@notforsaletoday1895]

That sucks.

[@klisterklister2367]

sending love and support to you

[@julianndavis9415]

People get labeled as useless or bad. It’s actually the drugs that are evil. Sorry for your loss

[@AndreaHa]

Addiction is a beast of an illness... I've struggled with it myself. Also I lost my father when he was in his early 50s. It's really too young to lose a parent! Hope you are doing well. 💜

[@walksuphills]

I have a soft spot for Britney Spears stories; perhaps because we were born only 2 days apart. Which means she will be 40 this year, in case anyone wants to feel old.

[@maxsync183]

40 and still wrapped up in a bullshit legal agreement that isnt helping her

[@nickyblue4866]

@@maxsync183 who cares?

[@idontevenhaveapla7224]

@@nickyblue4866 people who can see how unfair & cruel it is?

[@thatjillgirl]

@@nickyblue4866 People who recognize that if it can happen to Britney, it can happen to anyone?

[@anitabraykeer777]

Imagine just being cast out like that without even being told for getting ''too old'', by the way he was 16 when he was let go so basically still a kid, incredibly cruel for anyone to go through that. This was also during a time when mental health was very taboo and there was still a lot of stigma and fear surrounding it so it likely would have been difficult for him to open up to anyone about the pain he must have been going through. Such a cruel industry that eats up talent.

[@guitarchick10]

Your effort in pronunciation is always so impressive! Also Disney has eyes everywhere, you're a brave one 😅

[@daalelli]

Exactly what I was thinking, on both counts.

[@emiliecoteb7]

I hope Diznay enjoys free publicity. 😆

[@marishkaaable]

Author Mary Roach has a book called "Stiff" describing how human cadavers are used in various ways in the name of science, which includes using them as crash test dummies, as Cailtlin mentions. It's a good book, I'm sure many deathlings would find it interesting

[@katherinkeegan8601]

There is a business called death farms. The farms were actually part of the plot in a "Bones" episode. These sites scientifically study donated cadavers under various circumstances. Most of the farms have bodies in situations that most murder victims are found in. Ever wonder how they determine how long a body has been buried by the rate of deterioration? How they determine how much blood is absorbed by carpet, clothing and furniture? These farms are major research for forensics methods.

[@marishkaaable]

@@katherinkeegan8601 Yup! Mary Roach also talks about death farms in her book. It's pretty disturbing but interesting and useful for forensics research.

[@captmashpea]

Love that book so much!

[@acmejia]

Dear Death Queen: I am just finding out Prince Philip will be buried in a fully degradable coffin (wollen, if I heard correctly). That is actually great news for such high profile funeral. Hoping you will make a video on it at some point in the coming months.

[@SunyiSideUp]

Bobby Driscoll's story is one of the saddest stories of Hollywood chewing someone up and spitting them out. It happens over and over again. The sad part is, when you try to get the public to have compassion for these people, a lot of people throw out the "they're rich and famous, so who cares" argument. But some of them aren't even rich, mostly because the system is set up to line the pockets of the studio and record execs more than the performers (even to this day. Even, sometimes, when they are rich and famous. Look at that Scarlett Johansson situation. Any time studios can cheat a performer out of money, they'll take.)

[@cotton-Dave]

Suny--Read the book "Idol Truth" by Leif Garrett. Everybody connected with his life including his parents (but NOT his sister) should have died a horrible death in a cold and dark dungeon!

[@nj.7325]

rich people have emotions too, can suffer abuse, they just have more of a chance to escape it. abuse that happens stays with you. obviously not having resources is infinitely worse, but we should still persecute the perpetrators. It's not okay to exploit kids, how can anyone not care about other people who haven't hurt anyone (unless they have).

[@SAOS451316]

from carl switzer to bobby driscoll to britney spears, most child actors get discarded and meet bad ends. drug addiction is almost ubiquitous. macaulay culkin is the only one i can think of that got the help they needed to recover and get their life back together.

[@thebookwyrmslair6757]

Robert Downey, Jr; Molly Ringwold; and a lot of the child actors who stepped back out of Hollywood. There are a LOOOOTTTTTT of kid actors whose stories are full of tragedy and struggle, but there are more than a few who had the ability to set it aside and go on to live a contented life outside of Hollywood.

[@ayesha36]

Mara Wilson is also pretty outspoken about her decision to quit child acting and pursue a normal career/life.

[@thebookwyrmslair6757]

And Miyam Bialik!! Yes, she came back onscreen thanks to Big Bang, but she was an author and researcher.

[@bromptondevice7685]

@@thebookwyrmslair6757 Jackie Coogan was deprived of all his earnings by his mother and stepfather but went on to get child actors' legal protection, became a war hero and eventually played Uncle Fester in the TV Addams Family.

[@thebookwyrmslair6757]

@@bromptondevice7685 That's AWESOME!!

[@SebastianGrimthwayte]

Thank you, Caitlin, for always reminding us of the humanity of each person.

[@goodgriefff]

i love this comment 🤍

[@___LC___]

Bobby Driscoll: Iconic Corpse I feel like we should try to get a marker out on Hart Island for him, even if no one knows where he was buried. At least the first child who died of AIDS has an angel.

[@Divergentreble]

I've had into the unknown in my head for days. Fun fact disney didn't create Mickey mouse he just took credit for another man's work.

[@NaomiDollxoxo]

"All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again" gave me goosebumps. When will we learn?

[@AdamCKA]

As long as money exists, never.

[@LadyCynthiana]

I just found you and I must say you are an incredibly compelling storyteller. I love the way you emphasize the humanity of people who have been overlooked in life and the story of Bobby made me choke up when thinking of not only him but everyone buried beside him who died lost and alone.

[@maggpiprime954]

This went from satisfying to heartbreaking.

[@MildeAmasoj]

This checks literally so many boxes of my interests 1) Ask a Mortician 2) Frozen 3) The Dyatlov Pass mystery

[@midgey50]

As sad as the individual death of Bobby Driscoll is, it makes me think of all the others that have surely been buried on Hart island who really did have some out out there who would’ve wanted to bury them, to know where they were and mourn them. But they didn’t know.

[@___LC___]

The first child who died of AIDS in NYC is buried on Hart Island, away from the mass graves and under 14 feet of earth. They didn’t know enough about the virus and out of fear buried the child on the island. Also, people who have been used as cadavers for medical schools that lost papers for chain of custody, or the family no longer can pay for burial, are also buried in Hart Island. I believe some of NYC’s indigent dead also end up as medical cadavers and then buried on Hart Island. NYC is rather secretive about all those buried there and it is nearly impossible for family members to visit the island, let alone the public. One would think that if medical schools receive such a gift, they would pay for burial. Others who have family members learn their family member was hastily buried there are able to have them disinterred and moved.

[@lazyhomebody1356]

Scary and heartbreaking. Lost souls with people who still wonder and weep for them

[@angeljedifaux1838]

That was the most disgusting way to find out youd been fired. That business is disgusting and so heartbeealing to know thing like that still happen

[@Exclamsquared]

You had me in the first half, not gonna lie. Lol. Slow clap, Caitlin. I have never been more impressed with your ability to make relevant, modern connections with history while reflecting on death. Instead of providing us with a sense of closure, you ended on a minor, discordant note and left us to ruminate on pop culture and our own consumption of it. No coddling. No attempts to make us comfortable. Brava, madame. Et al: Subscribe to this amazing woman’s Patreon, ya’ll.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

You just somehow connected a Disney film to a real life mystery that boggled people's minds for decades.

[@bowsnties6192]

She didn’t connect the film to the case, two Scandinavian ice scientists asked the animators of Frozen to simulate a avalanche to understand what happened. She is retelling it.

[@Defender78]

@@bowsnties6192 the abrupt shift from the Frozen students to the Disney kid was kind of abrupt... I was like huh?

[@Exclamsquared]

@@Defender78 I agree, her ability to go from Frozen clickbait to something actually important was extraordinarily impressive.

[@bowsnties6192]

@@Defender78 that’s an interesting connect, absolutely. But she didn’t connect frozen to The missing kids. I was just correcting them

[@LuvMePeople]

They were two stories about Disney, so they're connected but im viewing Disney as an entity tho lol Imo I think the last part of the video is about thd USAs societal issues.

[@duogemstone]

The dyatlov pass mystery like so many never has been all that mysterious when you stop and actually look into it and never has been. It was just one of those stories where someone made up a bunch of weird theory's about something that was pretty much understood and the weird theory's soon overshadowed everything else.

[@CrazzyLaddy69]

Kinda like Rowenoke. They went to live with native American tribe after Mr White had been gone for Three Years. A long time to wait for supplies.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@CrazzyLaddy69 - Heck, the colonists left a message, yet nobody went to the nearby Croatan Island. It became 'Roanoke, the lost colony.' Must have been a really stupid reason not one person investigated further.

[@charlieseen]

Fun fact, the closest Disney ever came to acknowledging what happened to Bobby Driscoll is Peter Pan's appearance in the John Mulaney Chip n Dale Movie. In it, Peter Pan is shown as a Drunk Security Guard cliche. If this wasn't supposed to be mocking Bobby, the writers made a hell of a series of coincidental choices

[@s.s2510.]

Really? Thanks for sharing that

[@LostStarzOfTheSky]

Yeah I felt a burst of fucking fury seeing that

[@littlefox_100]

Yea, It's messed up.

[@soccermommyNPC]

Dang, I don’t remember that movie being made at all. Looks like it came out in 2022, I’m surprised Mulaney would be on board for mocking someone else’s fatal substance abuse. Like, the bit is funny when it’s about himself, but pretty low in this instance…

[@charlieseen]

@@soccermommyNPC Yeah, that was the minute I was done with Mulaney. He knows how much drug addiction hurts people from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, yet he still took part in mocking someone who died from it. I don't think I'll ever watch one of his specials again, which is sad bc I liked him before I found out he's willing to stoop that low