Cliffe Classics #4 - Give Me an Answer

[@CKD3332]

This was 25 years ago, i was locked in jail as a 16-17 year old. Wow, these discussions were already happening. I'm 41 now and the light is finally shining through. My grandmother told me about God in the 90s, she was a devoted Christian if only I listened to her more.

[@bradleye1964]

Part of you did listen. God gives the increase.

[@qunizz6465]

It’s ok bro. I’m 21 and at 14-18 I was runnin the street. Trying to be someone I clearly wasn’t. Sold drugs. And was sleeping around and then I met the Lord. And my grandma always taught me biut the Lord and even taught others in church. If only we would’ve listened 😂but see. You now have the ability to relate to those who’ve been behind bars and felt like there is no way out. Now you can come to them from a place of understanding. God uses the misfits most of all!

[@ephemeralenhancement9445]

I went most of my life completely turned away from God. I didn't even give it any thought; the world around me said it wasn't so, so it wasn't. But when I was at my lowest I prayed and he saved me! I look at all these videos too and think "Wow, I was wasting my life away while God was still working." It's a humbling thought that reminds us that not everything is about us, but about the Lord.

[@jackcarnes9437]

Your testimony can help people! When I wasn’t a devout Christian I remember people telling me to follow God so I don’t waste my life and my time. That really helped me!

[@shamelssmedia4376]

I to was in prison at 16-19 as I was tried as an adult. Thats when I first heard the word Salvation. A seed was sowed but still I didn't truly listen. I was born a Catholic and did all the schools and rituals they offered but nothing was really taught. It wasn't till I was 30 facing life plus 20 years in prison did I turn to Christ and live for God. I am now 47 and I have been a Pastor for 9 years now and Lead a Motorcycle Ministry and I get to serve in my home church. God is good, Loving and forgiving! God Bless You!

[@christianresearchproject]

"The shirt that you wear, did it come out of a tornado passing through a cotton field?" Classic Cliffe 😂, he as always the gifted and blessed wordsmith. God bless buddy!!!

[@Louis76-z3i]

😇

[@charlescharliecharlotte]

lol! He is so funny and smart ❤ I would love to have a conversation with him

[@narutofan360]

My favorite cliffe is aggressive cliff pulling people out the logical hell Fire that there in.God bless us all in the name of Jesus!!!!

[@bonnie43uk]

Heh, he certainly got more heated in this video than any other one I've seen in a while. The guy in the black leather jacket seemed to be quite calm in answering Cliffe though.

[@stewwweee]

@@bonnie43uk You are still here? I only read your name and you should have opposed Cliffe .

[@bonnie43uk]

@@stewwweee I'm not quite sure what you mean exactly Stewwweee?

[@stewwweee]

@@bonnie43uk I am not a native English speaker ..but am pretty sure you know what i meant . You always disagree with Cliffe at the end of the day so why waste your time and effort for so many years following him . I am very curious and have never met a person like you in my life. You always side up with people who oppose Christian world view and say Cliffe is wrong in the end . So why waste following him for so many years. I have seen your comments from the old Cliffe videos till now .

[@bonnie43uk]

@@stewwweee Ok, so you're asking why I waste my time disagreeing with Cliffe's point of view, that's a fair question. I was raised up to believe in Christianity, it played a massive part in my early life, the fear of Hell was an integral part of me beginning to question what I was being taught, over time I thought more about the whole subject of whether or not a God exists, it's something I think about a lot, probably because of my upbringing, it's not something I can shake off. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me that it's not true. That's a big deal isn't it? Don't you as a Christian believe that I am hellbound.. whatever that entails, .. is that a big deal to you that non believers are going to Hell?, is it something you care about at all? Truth matters to me, and I want to know as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. So the question I would ask you is, how do you go about determining what is true, and what is not true? This certainly isn't a waste of my time, i love having these conversations, I'm sure Cliffe enjoys debating with Students aswell, .. have you ever seen any student be convinced by his arguments?. I'd be interested to get your views. What is your native tongue btw?

[@SymbolicBelief]

These classics are amazing. It’s super interesting to see the change in people’s decorum from the 1990s to now. I would argue there are many aspects that have changed. Here’s a few I noticed: 1. People actually asked better, more thought out questions back then. 2. People were more passionate. 3. At the same time, although people argued more passionately, they were also more polite in the way that they interrupted less and let the other person finish their point before speaking again. They also seemed to hear out Cliffe more before responding. (Increased attention spans). They also asked their questions In a more respectful, tasteful manner as a whole. 4. The crowd was more respectful. Laughing less at points they disagree with, not interrupting, less chatter in between the debates. More just being present in the moment and watching the “show” and listening to each speaker without getting emotional. Super, super interesting. I think it would be interesting to hear Cliffe speak on the changes on society / college students throughout the decades of debating them. Please keep the classics coming.

[@wurzelbert84wucher5]

Now imagine how it will be in 2040, if nothing changes.

[@YouLikeThat14]

5. No one's on there phones... Which coincidentally is the basis on why things are different. Add cell phones back then and the world is the way we live now. It all stems from technology.

[@robertwomack1411]

When I see the recent videos sometimes I can’t even understand what the young people of today are trying to say They can’t keep a thought in their head They say the word like three times per sentence It’s very interesting to hear the college student of the 90s articulate vs how uncomfortable the youth of today are talking to an actual person …any actual person

[@daviddivad777]

wow 1997, what a veteran and legend in the game of apologetics. God bless this ministry

[@bryguysays2948]

Yeah, notice how much better the respect level is.

[@zealot777]

Word!

[@angelbrother1238]

Cliff is an inclusivist and talks like one but then he says he doesn’t know how those people who never heard of God get judged . I think he doesn’t do that because he is scared of the backlash that he would get from the exclusivists who say that anyone that doesn’t proclaim Jesus as lord and savior is going to hell whether he heard of him or not . Inclusivism was the view that most of the early Christian’s believed in

[@JohnWilliams-pk7ci]

Cliffe the Clown has had the same pathetic script all this time......what a joker he's never learned a thing in all this time........what a creepy weirdo this excuse of a man is..........uneducated fool.

[@daviddivad777]

@@JohnWilliams-pk7ci God bless you

[@wurzelbert84wucher5]

He saw the death of thinking 25 years ago and he was 100% right. His analysis of the reason behind it is on spot as well.

[@txbill2512]

Loved that guy in the leather jacket. He didn't even understand his own argument. He tried his best to throw Cliffe off but Cliffe stood firm and kept coming back to the basics.

[@factenter6787]

Yes he sure tried to throw Cliffe off a cliff😂

[@christianresearchproject]

Who? Fonzie? Yeah, he needs to grow up a bit.

[@jerodwilson.]

Pray for the guy in the jacket that he softens his heart

[@Skyscraper2015]

​@@factenter6787Exactly what I was thinking after reading the main comment.😂😂😂

[@domcruise274]

He’s a Christian now

[@Disciple793]

It's amazing how right Cliffe was when he said, "What I see in our culture today is the total death of thinking," regarding tolerance. That was 25 years ago.

[@bonnie43uk]

if that was true my friend, atheism would be dead now, but it's thriving.

[@jessebryant9233]

We know live in a zombie-culture full of committed career trolls who refuse to learn... like Bonnie.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@jessebryant9233 refuse to learn? What should I learn from you Jesse?

[@jessebryant9233]

@@bonnie43uk All the things you've refused to learn would be a good place to start. Not just from me, but from dozens and dozens and dozens of others. But no, you just refuse to learn and return to troll, saying the same old things on the next video posted. And so eventually, everyone heeds some biblical advice... (Proverbs 14:7)

[@bonnie43uk]

@@jessebryant9233 I've been learning all about the Burgess shale this morning Jesse, fascinating period of history.

[@SV-wb8kh]

Cliffe nailed it when he said we live in a increasingly brain dead society.

[@ramptonarsecandle]

As secularism and atheism grow the world is becoming a better place, the shackles that religion has placed on man can finally be banished to the past. We no longer need the control that religion exercises over us. Religion is a non-falsifiable hypothesis that puts forth no useful predictions about how the nature of things should be if the theory is true, and so it cannot be tested or falsified. It is a belief system, not a knowledge system. It does not explain or predict observed facts.

[@nathannicotra8668]

Crazy

[@phoenixgamer1565]

Cliffe is one of God's mightiest warriors for evangelism. Outstanding job.

[@reansonnor]

Wow, Cliffe’s take on tolerance, peace, the death of thinking, and concession because of relational issues in our lives has TOTALLY materialized itself 25 years later! Bravo Cliffe !

[@Quiet_Observer]

I never believed in predestination. I knew this was even before I was born. 🙂 I love Cliff and I bless his ministry.

[@timothychichetti347]

One of my top 5 favorite channels on the tube

[@dejavudisciple]

What are your other favorite channels?

[@timothychichetti347]

@@dejavudisciple oh mannnnnn, Great question....... So this channel, Also mma guru Locked on dodgers Reasonable faith And.....hmmmmm Kevin Samuel's ......it changes a bit all the time. But Cliffs channel is probably my favorite

[@tituskiptoo1664]

Give me the other 4 if they are like this

[@tituskiptoo1664]

@@dejavudiscipleahhh I just asked too but I seen it

[@MajorTom546]

Cliff’s patience and grit against these questions are through the roof of heaven

[@Ale_0103]

It’s interesting how Cliffe articulates some very clear points and these people don’t understand him and they’re among what I would believe is the most educated population in America.

[@andriod090]

Keep in mind… this video is 25 years old. These people are those who are *now* between 40-50.

[@tsananeomeno7963]

What would be an example of a "clear point" that Cliffe made? Do you mean by 'clear point' an _evidentiary fact?_

[@jakeschwartz2514]

College kids are DEFINITELY not the most educated population. Most indoctrinated population maybe… but certainly not the most thought out when it comes to their worldview

[@spooky6902]

These kids are in college precisely because they aren't educated. Which is why they are cliffe's target audience

[@thedoctorkellyshow5252]

The most indoctrinated people

[@troyp5208]

Early years Cliffe got easily aggravated and I don't fault him one bit. Now, this man has the patience of Job. God bless your mission field, Cliffe!

[@joachimhavefaith6310]

I put on a Cliffe/Stuart video a lot when taking naps. Thanks Cliffe and Stuart, you have really helped me a lot with your videos :)

[@joachimhavefaith6310]

I just realize that comment could be seen as I'm saying that I put on your videos so I can go to sleep xD Not what I meant :D Your videos are good when taking a "nap" since I just need the audio :D Just avoiding misunderstanding lol

[@temporaryaccount5307]

I turn on Assembly of Called Out Believers for the audio. Advanced Messianic Jwsh Scripture and study amd it’s amazing. Just like Chuck Missler who is (was) even better.

[@jsr4320]

Cliffe is like the best chess player😊. He chooses the most difficult venues (universities) to establish the existence of God vis a vis Lord Jesus and beats them/ students & professors hands down. It is very difficult to do that especially when your surrounded by the best brains in the land. More so since its very to difficult to educate individuals who are educated may be different fields but have their own world views and opinions about life and how we came to exist. Evolution on the other hand giving them a lame explanation ( i.e. life by accident) they are left with no better option and thus seek evidence about God. What we should notice however is they do ask for evidence when it comes to theory of evolution since that's been categorised under 'accident'. So Cliffe takes all the pain to explain God and wins them over whether they accept God there after or not is entirely up to them, but he's done his job. Keep it going its so nice to see educated people discuss in a logical manner as opposed to the offences street preachers face when they confront atheist, gays, other religious people etc. There are certain students nevertheless during Cliffe's sessions who behave rudely. All the very best Cliffe👍👏👏

[@jrcomputerrepair8795]

Keep Preaching out of 4 walls the world .. need more than ever !! Super Fan Here !!

[@Malhaloc]

Me - I'm hungry The guy at 12:40 - How can you know you're hungry? Have you ever experienced a universe where you didn't need to eat? If not, there's no way you can truly know if you're hungry or not.

[@Aurora3831]

Jesus is the only Answer Jesus is the way and the Truth and the life 🙏✝️🕊

[@jasonnoble7302]

How do you know that?

[@Aurora3831]

@@jasonnoble7302 Because l know He lives And l know the things He has done for me And He walks with me everyday He gives me strength to make it another day He is my Savior and my God🙏

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@Aurora3831 That’s just restating the premise of your assertion It doesn’t answer the question For example If you asked me “hey Jason why did you cook eggs for breakfast?” and I said “because I cooked eggs for breakfast Aurora That not an answer is just restating the premise of your question So how do you know “Jesus is the way the truth and the life” ect ?

[@Aurora3831]

@@jasonnoble7302 FAITH Heb 1:11 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen If you are lost and need answers Read your Bible and you will find your way Give your life to God and pray and the truth will set you free and God will give you a new life with Him. Read the book of Acts and be filled with the Holy Ghost and then you will find your answer, And you will see how real He is The Lord said ask for wisdom and He will give it to you, Search and you will find Ask and you shall receive, Trust, Hope,Faith, Believe 🙏 I hope you find your way. You will find all your answers in the word of God I hope you like my answer

[@Aurora3831]

@@jasonnoble7302 Heres another answer Why do l love eggs? I would say because l love eggs, just like l love Jesus. I would say l am hungry, just like l am hungry for more of God, and l would say eggs are protein, and God gives me strength. Yes God is the Way, Truth and Life I hope you find your way

[@TinManSimRacing]

Cliff makes so much sense. If you use your brain and go deeper than the surface like most people do then you will see that every individual has individual characteristics that are not able to be recreated ever in life again. Nobody can live that same life you lived even if they did everything you did the exact same time you did them. We will always experience each experience we have differently than all other people on earth. That can’t be accident and it can’t be our body and mind automatically firing off neurons making us think or move a certain way. That means we were created by a higher all knowing being which is God.

[@8Qxd3f11]

1997… man 😮 This man has been out there many years before that speaking to people and spreading to word of Jesus and right now in late summer 2023 he’s still doing it and now has his son Stewart by his side. This guy is a national treasure for this life of dedication.

[@godislove025]

Cliff was years ahead regarding the tolerance discussion! God bless you

[@stewwweee]

Cliffe is on fire here

[@QD1OF1]

These poor students, they try but the Holy Spirit is in Cliffe. Love it.

[@Faithful1]

This 1997 Cliffe would scare off todays college students if he was still like this now. Stuart is a lot less aggressive

[@micharlflynn4404]

Spot on Cliffe. These false doctrines need to be exposed for what they are corrupting. Gods truth. They need to recant their teaching and repent and believe on Christ.

[@lilbasedboi]

Thank you cliffe for this topic at the start of the video. GOd bless you, a saint

[@rosietheriveter1]

You can tell how old this video is based on the yellow Wendy's cups!! 😂😂 Thanks for posting this. We need more Cliffe in the world.

[@blackhaze8233]

Happy to see more uploads more often.

[@Skyscraper2015]

Sjoe, this was definitely a tough crowd. Thank you Lord for raising up Cliffe and giving him the strength to speak the truth in love to these students. I pray you would reach into their hearts and turn them in the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ to yourself through the work of the Holy Spirit.

[@fernandocuriel124]

WOW! The late 90s! Times Fly

[@captainsalty5688]

Take me back!

[@fernandocuriel124]

@@captainsalty5688 I’m tired of this Woke and Great Reset decade.

[@trevorwells8407]

I've seen most all of Cliffe's videos over a span of the last 5 years and this one's in the top 3 of his best, imho

[@johnp9581]

Cliff I love arguments you defend, you are good.

[@miguelsalinas5273]

The truth will set you free..yes it will!!

[@Josiahministries]

Love these old videos, keep them coming

[@michaeldbalance]

I'm taking a lot of mental notes from Cliffe. He speaks very well, and understands the Bible

[@THABISOMAEKO]

I love how people are gathering to explore the concept of theology rather than being ignorant.

[@SteloPacino]

We really need more of these today. I value these discussions over churches. Open discussions everyone talking freely.

[@larzman651]

SALVATION IS ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST 🙌

[@ChariotOfFaith]

19:09 - Praise the Lord! Another beautiful masterpiece!

[@massunger1]

Been watching Cliffe for well over 10 years now, I never get tired of seeing them, what a great blessing!

[@supbruhbear3619]

Fired up Cliff is based!!! Nice work sir.

[@KevinGomez-rn8mz]

Keep em coming cliffe. Amazing videos

[@NCSLIM1]

This channel deserves more subs

[@mathiasjameson9574]

3:15 This man truly listened ! I hope he found Jesus and is walking in faith today ! What an intelligent man

[@aviatrix8183]

There is no question predestination is biblical. Eph 1:5, Rom 8:29, Eph 1:4-5, John 6:44, 2Tim 1:9, 1 Cor 2:7, Eph 1:1, Jude 1:4

[@Sammiekelz]

The students then are totally different from the kids nowadays. More conversational and respectful.

[@naninani2795]

wow proper , mature , and respectful conversation , imagine now days , no need to imagine at all

[@active.disciple1369]

Beautiful just beautiful 👏 love these videos

[@estherrosario2511]

Thank you. God bless you😇

[@ayolawrence1241]

More please 🙏

[@gordonscott4783]

Cliff is the man! He is such a good debater.

[@saintrhoads3375]

I’ve watched 1-3 and this is by far the angriest he’s gotten 😂

[@edwinmineros4848]

Absolute truth applies every where you go. And there's nothing that can contradicted. God bless from so el salvador

[@jlettizard6465]

The predestination discussion is a difficult one. I wonder what Cliff would say about this passage from Romans: “Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭21‬-‭23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@bany512]

it might seem difficult, but only if you know just the Calvinistic interpretation. so, let me tell you a few things about Romans 9: - there are chapters before and after Rom 9, so please read everything in context - the audience for Paul are Jews that think that they will be saved just because they are Jews, not 21st-century gentiles concerned about soteriology - youtube search: Romans 9: A Non-Calvinist Interpretation by Evidence Unseen , or check other interpretations - most importantly, compare how many times Bible directly contradicts the theistic determinism a.ka Calvinism, with how many times it seemingly supports it. lastly, God Bless You, no matter if you are a Calvinist or Non-Calvinist

[@bany512]

@Our Savior thanks 🙂

[@bany512]

@Our Savior yeah I deciphered that one, and now that you mentioned voice correction, I think instead of Robbie The Savvy, you wanted to say tech-savvy, hehe :)

[@bany512]

@Our Savior yeah, sometimes the progress is regress, what can we do.

[@Woofers360]

Yeah I don’t understand how he can deny some important doctrines like that, I agree with him in saying we shouldn’t worry about whose elect or not elect but completely denying Gods sovereignty altogether is not the correct way about it

[@iglesiaperfecta]

Love these discussions

[@jeremybeaty624]

Am I the only one seeing that in these older videos people seemed to disagree more respectfully and intellectually, and the new videos show more disrespectful disagreemeents based on feelings instead of intellect?

[@dragontalontsiawd]

Praise God, I'm glad to see the seeds sown through God's loving and living word. When was this? 80s? Early 90s? I'm going off of my living experience.

[@captainsalty5688]

Mid to late 90s I'd guess

[@manuaiipondraken8376]

Powerful staff. Glory to God.

[@felixardin8824]

Thanks you Cliffe

[@salfusco2731]

Cliffe gets me fired up when he gets tired of people 😂

[@terryhenderson3424]

I salute my brother in Christ cliff

[@pearltrickvictorious4101]

I wonder where are these people at right now?

[@landen99]

If I write a book at your birth describing your entire life but seal it into a time capsule which doesn't unlock and cannot be opened until your death bed, and when you read the book on your death bed you find that it perfectly describes your life, the book, the dried ink on paper, never forced your decisions; this illustrates omniscience. Omniscience is knowledge of everything for all time from the very beginning of time.

[@hablaf12]

The balance of God’s sovereignty vs. man’s responsibility is so tough. Scripture doesn’t really try to reconcile the two in a clear and elementary way. We must look at the Word altogether and submit to it, rather than become attached to certain doctrines and view scripture through a warped lens

[@Generatorman59]

What a load of crap! You would think that a god would make it perfectly clear when it comes to eternal salvation. It's like god is saying, "You all figure it out. And if you get it wrong, I will light you on fire."

[@hablaf12]

@@Generatorman59 I think you misunderstood my point, and are talking about a different topic altogether. God does make it perfectly clear when it comes to eternal salvation. My point was about how exactly God's sovereignty ("GOD pre-destines, GOD'S elect, GOD is the potter") and our responsibility ("MEN should repent, unless YOU believe that I am He, work out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling") are not reconciled as plainly as 2+2=4. Therefore, we affirm God's sovereignty and praise Him for it, but also submit to the commands and imperatives toward us, and preach to others to do the same. If you read this, please reply and tell me if it makes sense and whether you think it is biblical or not. I want to make sure I am not completely off my rocker, which very well may be the case lol

[@Generatorman59]

@@hablaf12 Yes, you gave a good explanation. However, I totally reject the proposition for the existence of a god due to a lack of sufficient evidence to warrant a belief. What I was referring about in my previous comment was how different denominations of Christianity can read the same bible and come up with entirely different interpretations. It is mind boggling how some Christians will say that Hell is a place of eternal torture, others will say it is just a separation from god. And still others will say that it is a place of torture, but temporary, then you will be annihilated. Some Christians will read certain stories and say the events literally happened, while others will say it is just symbolic. However, most Christians will say you need the Holy Spirit to guide you to the meaning of scripture and they still come up with conflicting interpretations.

[@Generatorman59]

@@hablaf12 One of my sticking points about the interpretation of the bible is on the topic of slavery. I point out Leviticus 25:45, which says, "Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you..." And most Christians will say that nowhere in the bible does it say that the Israelites can buy children. And I ask them to read it, it's right there in your holy book. And they still insist that they are not to buy children.

[@Woofers360]

Thank you❤❤❤

[@ellerbeessentials6197]

The death of thinking has come full circle. Shallow peace at the cost of truth.

[@jonathanspeed7006]

ACTS 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

[@IzzyMann]

they guy in the leather jacket just didn't get it at all. super sad. thanks as always for the upload

[@isaacyn8256]

Cliffe had short temper in the beginning but seem to get better with age.

[@foxdestroyer6970]

Yeah for sure.

[@playzfahdayz]

Nothing wrong with moral indignation. _Patience_ would be a better word.

[@MichelleHaley810]

so so good!

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, so that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but will have everlasting life. ~ John 3:16

[@bonnie43uk]

I am quite prepared to perish at the end of my life Ryan, death is the natural process that comes to every single living creature, including human beings. Everlasting life is a human concept some religions have invented, go check it out, Valhalla, Heaven, Nirvana, there are lots of them. It's a nice thought for a lot of people. The flip side of heaven, if you believe that, is that God has also invented a place of everlasting damnation for those that don't believe in him. What kind of a monster would invent such a place?

[@GraftedOliveBranch]

@@bonnie43uk I'm sure you've had that explained to you a thousand times already, Tom. I understand that you're a lonely old man living an ultimately meaningless existence, always searching for somebody who will give you the attention that you so desperately crave, but that person isn't me, Tom... Take care buddy. Goodbye.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@GraftedOliveBranch Heh, I'm certainly not a lonely old man, and I'm certainly not living an ultimate meaningless existence, everyday is an adventure for me, I love life more than you could ever imagine, I am due to retire in about a years time, but I still intend to carry on working in the job I have as people depend on me, and I love devoting my life to people who are not in the best of health, it's incredibly rewarding. I get to meet the people of all ages and they tell me incredible stories about their life. Take care Ryan, I wish you well. Look after your health, it's something we tend to take for granted, you'll miss it when it's gone.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@GraftedOliveBranch how would you like to be the person that depends on bonnie43uk?

[@Generatorman59]

@@bonnie43uk "If it takes the threat of hell to make you a moral person, then you are not at all moral, you are just a coward who responds well to threats." -- Leo Wolf

[@davedavid2914]

Love you cliff God bless

[@Josiahministries]

Cliffe is so awesome back then. These kids need an intellectual smacking to wake up from their indoctrination camps.

[@jasonnoble7302]

Really? What predictions can we make using the God hypothesis?

[@Josiahministries]

@@jasonnoble7302 what do you mean?

[@robmc120]

@@Josiahministries Dont engage the troll, he doesnt want to know, he wants to infinitely argue with no proof of his claims. God bless, brother.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@Josiahministries Rob runs away from people who challenge him in good faith he doesn’t honour 1 Peter 3 15 I’m sure you will I don’t think Rob is a true Christian 🤷‍♂️ What should we predict using the God hypothesis ? If God exists what kind of things should we predict to happen or not happen?

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@robmc120 Don’t tell other people what to do Rob It’s very very rude !! Don’t be afraid Rob We can have an honest conversation if you stop being dishonest and engage in good faith I’m here waiting for an answer to my question of What should we predict using the God hypothesis?

[@ethanbarrow5286]

20:17 She really hit him with “animal says what” and didn’t get a response. That’s hilarious.

[@ChariotOfFaith]

Revelation 13:8 refers to “everyone whose names have not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life.” The concept of pre-destination right there.

[@CJBlake-ym6ky]

Interesting find, thanks

[@lilbasedboi]

Mathew 24:24 tho

[@BrianBadondeBo]

@@lilbasedboi they contradict, big surprise

[@lilbasedboi]

@@BrianBadondeBo well totality tho. So not really

[@BrianBadondeBo]

@@lilbasedboi mm yes really. Because it's authors have different, contradicting convictions, and depending on who ruled at the time, whichever books were added or taken out, or even how things were phrased were malleable.

[@SHADOWSCOOp2829]

God is good 🙏🏼

[@korpse6rinder]

It would be great to see a religious person use questions and phrases that aren't loaded. They claim to be honest while being as disingenuous as possible...

[@jessebryant9233]

Can you provide an example of this "loaded" bit of which you speak and explain why you think that is wrong or unfair?

[@korpse6rinder]

@@jessebryant9233 of course I can but unfortunately you're a known troll. I could provide the time stamps and what they said but you would still play ignorant.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@jessebryant9233 I see your confusion. A loaded question is any question that an atheist won't answer because the answer MIGHT have implications that they are just too lazy to deal with.

[@jessebryant9233]

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Oh! Gotcha! Thank you for clearing that up. And I would add... Or just too afraid of!

[@korpse6rinder]

@oursavior3358 thank you for proving my point.

[@THABISOMAEKO]

Lecture and doctor of theology❤️

[@bonnie43uk]

Cliffe always tells the students to "read Matthew Mark Luke and John for themselves", those accounts do not ring true to me, they read like invented stories, people are free to believe them if they wish. Do i have the complete free will to dismiss them and go on my merry way, or is there a degree of coercion and threat involved.. in saying there is a penalty to pay unless I accept the stories, if that's true, my free will to dismiss them is being heavily compromised.

[@amethystjade405]

You do have the free will to dismiss them but then you have no way of going to heaven without Jesus, Son of God. Like it or don’t, it’s just how it is. Now you’ve read the ‘stories’, ask Jesus, Son of God of the Bible to meet you then be patient and wait for His response. It would be foolish to reject Him before you’ve reached out to Him.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@amethystjade405 This is where we differ big time Jade, .. you sincerely believe in an after-life of some description, aka, "Heaven" ( and Hell I guess), I do not believe those places exist, as far as i can tell, this is the one shot at life we get, when you die, you die, it might sound pretty fatalistic to you, and I can see that, .. it's nice to think we're all going to meet up in some wonderful after-life paradise, but there's no real credible evidence of such a thing, .. same as Hell, whats the proof Hell exists, and what exactly does Hell entail? .. it very much depends on what Christian you ask. As an ex Christian, I have reached out to Jesus on more occasions than I can remember, it was the sound of complete silence that made me think perhaps it's all in our heads. Maybe this character doesn't really exist outside of our imagination.

[@shadowcolorado3668]

I follow your logic & i get what you're saying - but i can't get around those guys doing a complete 180... First - running, hiding, cowering and disillusioned by seeing Jesus's death - And then willing to face imprisonment, torture and execution. People don't do that for something they know to be absolutely false. They had nothing to gain. No financial reward, no power, no earthly prestige, no property and no perks. Something powerful happened to turn disillusioned cowards into bold martyrs in 72 hours.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@shadowcolorado3668 I get what you're saying shadow, but, like i said, those stories to me just sound like invented stories, esp all the magical stuff, if you buy into it from an early age, and everyone else has bought into it.. you accept it as true without using your own critical thinking skills. I could write a fictional story about men who faced torture and execution unless they lied, .. and they all refused. A good writer could easily make up such a story and make it seem real, even though none of it actually happened in real life. We humans have written some incredible tales of the endurance of mankind over the last few thousand years.

[@dentonhahn2907]

Hello, if they were invited stories, what for? Why would a group of Jewish men invent a story that ostracizes them from the community, from society? As you look at history you clearly see SOMETHING happened, the question is what? What threat? It is a relationship, either you love God or you love yourself, it's not a threat you are experiencing God's common grace every day, food, love, health, life, all good. Without God there is no good.

[@okhaeadeleye5313]

This Cliff was fired up!!

[@RoydMwenda]

Cliffe is amazing

[@daddada2984]

To God be the glory

[@shaniquetotanty2042]

So true Cliffe so true

[@JulianLowly]

😂😂 bruh cliffs face when he said “to preserve the genetic pull”

[@ricardonogueira6473]

Legend says that that that guy wearing a hat at 24:52 is still rasing his hand till today 🙄

[@captainsalty5688]

😆

[@i_assume]

Look at this neat, handsome young Cliffe haha

[@johnroney4616]

🙂👍💯🇺🇸✝️⛪ master apologist pastor cliff

[@chelseabartlett4151]

God Bless Cliffe's patience with these people and his passion for teaching them about Jesus' ❤️

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

Proverbs 18:15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.

[@LBoomsky]

When they talk about there being more to life than matter and energy they should really bring up the consciousness experience. It really runs contrary to the ideas of materialism, as I could go on and on about how logically absurd being an observer of this reality is for the context of physical reality - it's an entirely new thing with crazy implications. If I was just a body I wouldn't be experiencing things from the perspective of myself, as there would be no self from which there is observing. It is why we are not machines or robots or nonliving matter, we exist as more than thought because such thought has a ""thing"" of some kind (that ""thing"" being oneself) observing it. We care about others because we know deep in someone else's mind there is a life being lived, and it is an experience BECAUSE there is a THEM. Whether or not you believe in a god you can acknowledge how special and valuable this experience is.

[@LBoomsky]

attempt #30 of me trying to write about consciousness and just repeating myself because there aren't enough words in the field i'm describing...

[@keepthechange2811]

......God does know exactly who chooses what from the creation forward.

[@jasonnoble7302]

….. So God doesn’t know everything?

[@jasonnoble7302]

….. So God doesn’t know everything?

[@keepthechange2811]

@@jasonnoble7302 All knowing all powerful all holy and all justified. I wasn't trying to be mysterious. God knows every choice that every last person would or has made.....from since before the creation forward. That fact does not negate free will.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@keepthechange2811 No? Then It does negate evil

[@factenter6787]

If he said in the late '90s that thinking is dying in America, then thinking has not only died but rotted down to dust by now (early '20s).

[@JamesRichardWiley]

She pointed out the contradiction in the doctrine of predestination vs free will. The contradiction only appears if you reduce God's infinite power. If you maintain Go'd infinite power then free will is always under God's control to give or remove. Christians who get caught in this dilemma don't notice that Christianity is presenting a contradiction which you must solve.

[@Generatorman59]

@Our Savior So, God had 400 years to deal with the Canaanites before his people arrived to inherit the promised land. This is what I would have done. In that 400-year time, I would have cut the water supply down to the point that would cause the inhabitants to have to relocate to other regions, far away from Canaan. Then, when the Israelites arrived, I would have made water more plentiful for my chosen people to flourish. Instead, what God actually did was to allow the original inhabitants to flourish in Canaan, only to be literally hacked up to pieces by the Israelite armies. So, why didn't God think of my plan? Is it because he isn't smart enough? Was it because he is inept? Was it because he was still learning to be God? Was it because he just didn't care? Was it because he wanted to prove a point at the expense of the Canaanites? Or was it because he is evil and immoral? Oh wait, maybe this God actually doesn't exist and none of this really happened. Now, there's a possibility.

[@sidwhiting665]

The guy at 11:36 is missing the point, but in a way it's not totally his fault. Cliff is saying that matter and energy are not eternal, but the mind behind their creation is eternal. That is how you can get "something from nothing". In his mind, "nothing" only encompasses matter and energy, but nothing doesn't encompass God. . While there was no matter or energy before creation, God--the transcendent being who is outside of space, time, and matter--did exist from eternity. It's a fine distinction but one that I didn't hear Cliff make as clearly as he could have. Christian apologist Frank Turek gives a bit more detail with this argument that might help the young man understand: Turek says that space, time, and personal attention did have a beginning and were created, but the being that creates space, time, and personal attention was space less, timeless, and the embodiment of personal attention....and that being is the one and only one uncreated thing: the "prime mover" posited by Aristotle and fleshed out as the God of the Bible by Aquinas. That is God and nothing comes before him or created him. If we think about it, that actually is the most common sense explanation. . Every other theory relies on "it was all an accident and we have no idea how it got here" which is kind of depressing because it makes the whole struggle of survival and thriving boil down to basically a futile gesture that ultimately has no purpose or meaning.... a cold, dark universe that will burn out after quintillions of years and no one and nothing will care that we were ever here or that anything we did was in any way special or meaningful. It also dispenses with ultimate justice, in that a person born into a low station who is used, abused, and left to rot has no hope for the future: it's all just mindless suffering at the hands of those who are more powerful and cruel. That person has no reason to believe that their lot will ever improve or that they will receive justice for what was done to them. Christianity says the opposite: the righteous judge of the universe will restore justice and equity, if not in this life, then certainly in the next. Much more hopeful for those who have no power and no prospects here in this life.

[@Generatorman59]

Allow me to start out with a few questions. Why doesn't the universe appear to be intelligently designed to people who actually study the universe? Why isn’t intelligent design an established theory in science? Are you proclaiming that you know more than any of the leading cosmologists in modern time? “While there was no matter or energy before creation…” You apparently have not heard of virtual particles. I invite you to research this topic. You may learn a lot if you keep an open mind of what science tells us. “God--the transcendent being who is outside of space, time, and matter--did exist from eternity.” You are making a baseless assertion here. There is no way you can demonstrate this. You see, a lot of folks define a god into existence. And when they do, they give this god attributes like being capable of creating a universe. They also define this god as being necessary to our very existence. Then they look around and see the universe and they see their existence, and they say that is proof of his existence. This is so circular, it should make anyone dizzy. “That is God and nothing comes before him or created him.” Wait, you don’t know this. This is yet another baseless assertion. Why the special pleading? If this god could have always been here, why couldn’t the universe have always been here? Why are you limiting the cause of the universe and you are not limiting the cause of god? “Every other theory relies on ‘it was all an accident and we have no idea how it got here…’" No, this is a false dichotomy. You are making the argument that either god created everything or everything came about by accident. You obviously have not come prepared, have you? The universe could have come about by NATURAL means. There are many theories in science that details possible origins of the universe that do not violate any known laws of physics and do not require a creator. The Big Bang could have just been the start of our local universe, which is theorized as being part of a bigger cosmos that has always existed. That is just one of many ideas that is currently being observed, calculated, and modeled. Just because we have not yet figured out which theory describes the actual origin, we shouldn’t just throw up our hands and say a sky daddy did it. “it makes the whole struggle of survival and thriving boil down to basically a futile gesture that ultimately has no purpose or meaning…” As for me, I’m good with the fact that there is no ultimate purpose or meaning to it all. That just makes the only life we are sure we have just that much more meaningful. We all make our own meaning, there doesn’t have to be an ultimate meaning. “Christianity says the opposite: the righteous judge of the universe will restore justice and equity, if not in this life, then certainly in the next…” Let’s be honest here, you really don’t know if this is true. You believe it to be so because you want it to be true, and it offers a great appeal. And besides, if this god of the bible is real, I classify him as being a moral thug. But that is a topic for another discussion.

[@spooky6902]

You're making a fallacious argument from consequence. You don't like the consequences of a secular worldview, so you don't accept it. Thats irrational. It's the same as if I said that I don't want to be accountable to the Christian God, therefore it's not true. That's irrational. You've got a pessimistic mindset. I don't believe there is any ultimate justice or purpose or indefinite fate and yet I can live a happy life thankful for what I do have.

[@giarose6493]

Amen 🙏

[@Alesanction]

Him and Stuart really do look alike

[@Skyscraper2015]

I am curious as to what has happened to all of these people. If for instance that guy in the leather jacket and pony tail did have a change of heart at some point. This happened about 25 years ago i think. How has any of their lives changed? Was it for the better? Could any of them look back at these experiences and say that these made a lasting impact? And the chap with the tolerance discussion, wonder where he is now? What he is doing? What is his spiritual take on life now?