The Truth Behind Oral Health Products and Your Mouth’s Ecosystem

As promised, today I elucidate the facts on a certain mouth care protocol that is being talked about on the web. I will comment with my opinions of the products and why you should steer clear of them. This kit creates more disease, more problems, and more long term health issues. Listen to today’s podcast for my full analysis and for alternative recommendations.
Topics Discussed:
04:54 - The complete mouth care system protocol
06:05 - Zellie’s Mints & Gums
10:17 - The Closys pre rinse
14:43 - Crest Cavity Protection Toothpaste
16:54 - Listerine
20:00 - ACT mouthwash
22:54 - Negative impact of using this protocol
26:32 - Dr. B’s recommendations
26:57 - When using this protocol makes sense
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[@dr.elliephillips]

Mark. I DO NOT recommend the GUM HEALTH Closys. I recommend ONLY the Ultra Sensitive. I agree that the GUM Health formulation is horrible. How about we DISCUSS the things you dislike about my system of care. I would be happy to do an interview with you! 🦷😁👏

[@__-zm5wr]

Dr. Ellie, please make a response video to this criticism. There seems to be a lot of mistakes and misunderstandings on the dr. Mark's part here.

[@runae7368]

@@__-zm5wr Yes I second that. The more we know the better we can make informed decisions.

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

I would love to see a discussion between the two of you 👍

[@dr.elliephillips]

@@melissajanaemiddleton6811 Me too!! 😁👍

[@dr.elliephillips]

@@__-zm5wr I have invited him to a discussion - a two or three way discussion could be ideal! But Dr. M does not know my "story" - why I developed this system to save my Mom's teeth - in the 1960s. I think he sees me as an opportunist or something. Only people who know my story understand that this all began at the start of my career because I knew early loss of teeth - in women - was linked to early onset dementia (which was prevalent in my family). My mom was 45 and told to have all her teeth extracted and dentures. Creating this system was to preserve my Mom's mental health. This has never been about teeth, conflict, or marketing products. We were successful with my Mom and she kept those teeth 50 years-till she died at 95 , and with minimal Tx over those years. (She eventually fell and died from the injuries and multiple surgeries). Seeing her success, I began suggesting this strategy in my office in the 1970s. I was able to see and be stunned by the effects and how these products worked. I have never received any payment from any of the companies - not even thank you! As Faculty at the University of Rochester I worked with a researcher involved in the xylitol studies of the 1970s. I suggested we replicate these studies at the U of R, but every year my grant application was denied. Eventually in frustration I left the University, took my 401K and started Zellies xylitol company - to teach about xylitol directly to the public. This was the 1990s (before the internet, social media or Amazon). My husband was furious with me - told me it was a waste of time. But I was lucky to get my product into Wegmans Food Stores - and was invited to teach oral health to their employees during the 2000s. I kept up with the science of oral health - which is a love and passion and became the founder of AAOSH about that time. I have many, many dental friends who support my system, understand my passion, and know my desire to help people enjoy oral health. I was the dentist whose "system" helped Bristle testing company's heal their Sjogren's patient ("Wendy") to eliminate strep mutans and develop a wide diversity of oral bacteria, and for the first time in her adult life - enjoy oral health! Current fears about Listerine and the use of mouthwash with regard to Nitric Oxide are not correct. The study headlines were bad and some studies were later disproven. The hype is not clinically substantiated. Thousands of people have used my system - many of these people for over 40 years. Within this group are people, like me, who have not even had a dental cleaning in all that time. We have tested the diversity of healthy bacteria in our mouths. We all enjoy stable, sustainable oral health. This is pretty remarkable as we are aging, yet maintaining perfect oral health. I believe all dentists should at least be intrigued by this.

[@dr.elliephillips]

Oh and if you’d like to know more about the results we achieve with Sjogrens patients and Periodontal patients I have microbiological testing results.

[@vandamedeiros1101]

I just received the kit. I was excited till I saw Chlorine… Do you know how bad Chlorine is for any humanbeing? It goes directly into your system via our mouths. I left the city to live in the countryside where there is only well water and my well water is amazing! I have no chemicals or chlorine in my well water. And now I’m looking at the ingredient of everything and I want to cry. I should had looked and investigated better. Anything we put into our mouths goes into our blood stream and obviously our whole digestive tract. Even if it fixes one thing it causes other things. I have a handicap/ special needs son and I can not use this kit I got today on my child. I will have to find another way. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@dez6278]

Is that posted somewhere Dr. Ellie?

[@hollyc5]

I believe Dr. Ellie Phillips recommends CloSYS Ultra Sensitive Unflavored Mouth Rinse. Ingredients: water, stabilized chlorine dioxide, trisodium phosphate, citric acid.

[@dr.elliephillips]

Yes. I make it as clear as possible I agree that the Gum Health formulation is toxic.

[@sarahb.6475]

Citric acid is most likely from corn.. Bad for corn allergy.

[@trianglesandsquares420]

@sarahb.6475 everything is bad for everything allergy

[@suklee1400]

@@sarahb.6475 Mostly derived from citrus fruits, not corn.

[@RustyBobbins]

@@suklee1400Citric acid is made from a mold grown on corn. You’re thinking of natural citric acid but companies don’t use that when making products, they use the corn derived one.

[@Elizabeth-d1n]

I've watched this video three times now -- and that's because I am completely confused by two public-facing, online dentists and their recommendations. Dr Ellie is sincere and compelling. But so is Dr B. Rather than subject consumers to this confusing debate, I'd love to see dentists (and doctors) and other health scientists come together to figure out what exactly is true and what can be discarded.

[@julesprice5805]

Listen to Dr. Burhenne!!!! Go watch his interview on The Primal Podcast. His knowledge is beyond stellar. And that in my opinion makes him highly qualified and more qualified than Doctor Ellie. Or Doctor Michelle Jorgensen. Which I've also used because she has cleaner products

[@rgcol]

@mark - I just started this protocol and my teeth feel the most healthy it has ever been. I was concerned about using fluoride toothpaste, however my own dentist recommended a fluoride toothpaste as well ( Colgate total). Therefore, I don’t understand why you are so against this. Given it’s applied topically and not swallowed ( as you would with tap water with fluoride). I do have bleeding gums and my own dentist told me I need mouthwash to kill the bacteria. So I don’t know how you believe anyone with germs should not use mouthwash, to kill the bugs in the pockets? I feel your advice makes sense for those that have no issues with their teeth - however I don’t see it working for someone like me that has bleeding gums. One point I do agree with is that everyone has a different profile - I have not had many cavities ( 2 in 45 years). Therefore I do wonder if a fluoride mouth wash is required in my case. That said, if a many have used the system and it’s worked - what’s the problem?

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

A couple of quick tips that work for me: If I eat or drink something acidic, especially close to the time to brush teeth, I'll swish a mouthful of water with a pinch of baking soda. Also, I bought a bag of pure xylitol crystals and after a meal i take a small spoonful and swish it around for about a minute. Cheaper than buying gum or mints, and tastes good too!

[@huengo2481]

Good idea

[@MaryBywaters]

I think that it recommended to leave your mouth for 30 to 60 minutes to let your saliva come back to a neutral ph as the dr above said before doing anything.

[@DSandy111]

I bought a bag of xylitol to replace sugar in my coffee. But i found it makes my stomach upset. So instead i take a spoonful and mix it in water and use it as a xylitol rinse which i spit out.

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

@@DSandy111 Good thinking! There is no need to swallow it in order to have benefit for your teeth. What I do is take a spoonful straight into my mouth and let it dissolve. I swish it around as long as I can before spitting it out. I think using it full strength like this gives the maximum benefit.

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

@@DSandy111 Oh, just another thought... coffee is very acidic for the teeth (and stomach!). I suggest adding a pinch of baking soda to your coffee (I think it gives it a smoother flavor also!). But also, after any acidic beverage, I will take a hefty pinch of baking soda in a little water and swish it around my mouth to buffer the acidity and protect my teeth 😃

[@jackattack4851]

How do you feel about using hydrogen peroxide as a mouth wash?

[@ReseteaLaSalud]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:03 *🔍 Dr. B discusses a dental protocol being promoted online and aims to provide insights into its potential risks.* 01:26 *🛑 The protocol claims to be a complete mouth care system, but Dr. B highlights concerns about its broad applicability and lack of customization.* 02:58 *💡 "Zelis Mints and Gum" is the only product in the protocol Dr. B partly endorses due to its xylitol content, although he advises caution regarding some ingredients.* 07:20 *🦷 Dr. B discusses the "Closest Pre-Rinse," highlighting its intended use before brushing but expresses concerns about its chemical composition.* 11:09 *🪥 Toothpaste recommendation includes criticism of "Crest Cavity Protection Toothpaste" due to fluoride content and potentially harmful ingredients.* 14:21 *🚫 Dr. B strongly advises against using Listerine mouthwash due to its alcohol content, essential oils, and potential negative impacts on oral health.* 17:54 *🌱 The "ACT Anti-Cavity Fluoride Rinse" is criticized for its fluoride content and inclusion of potentially harmful ingredients, contradicting optimal oral health practices.* 21:44 *❌ Using the recommended products twice a day can disrupt the production of nitric oxide, leading to adverse health effects.* 22:23 *🛑 Following the recommended protocol may increase the risk of oral and systemic diseases, supporting an industry that does more harm than good.* 23:05 *🦷 The oral microbiome plays a crucial role in oral health, and it's essential to nourish and support it rather than disrupt it with harmful products.* 24:00 *🚰 Instead of using mouthwash, using water and focusing on good oral hygiene practices like brushing and flossing is recommended.* 25:09 *🔄 In extreme cases, a protocol like the recommended one might be necessary for a short period, but long-term use is not advisable for general oral health.* 26:02 *💡 Nano silver mouthwash or toothpaste could be considered in extreme cases as an alternative to the recommended products due to its targeted action and fewer harmful ingredients.* 26:44 *💰 Simplifying oral care with basic yet effective products like a good toothbrush, flosser, and simple toothpaste can save money while promoting oral health.* Made with HARPA AI

[@MaryBywaters]

The mouth rinse is Closys or as they spell it CloSYS

[@AdamHelb]

If he's going to criticize he needs to have his facts straight. Dr Phillips does not recommend the Closys Gum Health mouthwash. It's the Closys Ultrasensitive which is quite different.

[@flyingsodwai1382]

19:36 I read the book that goes along with the kit. There are most definitely reasons for all of it. There are studies to back up all the claims, although they are all from pretty long ago.

[@runae7368]

Thank you for reviewing this. I've been having much confusion between you and Ellie mouth care system I'm using her system but including night time flossing and during the day time I use coconut oil as a quick swish. I've been doing this for 3 weeks now. For the first time I have teeth sensitivity on all my right side teeth. I'm going to have to go back to hydroxyapatite for the sensitivity and short coconut oil pulling and daily flossing until my sensitivity hopefully improves. I would like you to address the gum massage technique she recommends for brushing.

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

Hydroxypatite is amazing stuff! I've been using a tooth powder called Shine from OraWellness, and my teeth have never felt better!

[@dollynagrecha6792]

does this powder shine (oralwellness )contain hydroxypatite ?is it a herbal product ?

[@austintone]

Please share what brands of toothpaste and floss you recommend.

[@mamaahu]

She says not to add the flavoring to the Closys rinse. It's the flavor packet that has the ingredients you object to in it, I think. Certainly the sucrolose which is not in the rinse itself. The rinse does taste a bit chlorinated on its own. Thanks for that info.

[@dr.elliephillips]

This is Dr. Ellie and this GUM HEALTH is a new (and horrible) Closys product i warn people NOT to use.

[@flyingsodwai1382]

26:43 I actually recently switched from this protocol to one closer to your recommendations. The reason being is that we didn't evolve with mouthwashes so it seems counterintuitive to me that we all of a sudden need them. Not using mouthwash doesn't seem to have had any negative or positive effects.

[@aurelienb9109]

Water with a little bit of sodium bicarbonate proved to be efficient for increasing salivary pH and not harmful for the microflora in a 2017 study.

[@MaryBywaters]

I am using the listerine and brush then finish with a xylitol rinse. Whilst my mouth feels cleaner after I clean it later it feels not so good. At night in bed especially. I don't have the Closys so I'm thinking must be the Listerine. It burns and tastes awful.

[@MaryBywaters]

@@aurelienb9109 Increasing the ph? I thought that the aim is for it to be neutral.

[@aurelienb9109]

@@MaryBywaters Bacteria responsible for caries thrive in acidic saliva, so increasing the pH a bit may help to counter that.

[@Kristina-yr6xg]

​@@MaryBywatersyou should not use the Listerine prior brushing, its too acidic...useit after brushing and the xylitol after listerine

[@marciareilly7661]

I’ve had great results using her protocol, I found you through an interview she did with you , maybe this was released before the interview but I was under the impression that you both supported one another!

[@r.k862]

Mark please set up a meeting with her because we the people want to see the discussion you two will have for the sake of health

[@thevioletfog]

She doesn’t recommend the gum health one… your review is not correct. I love her system by the way!

[@riss3927]

I do really love this detailed perspective, being clearly more well-rounded and holistic than the one you are referencing. Started watching this video to see if I could get your stance on the Closys that is recommended by her, but clearly this is about the incorrect product. Ingredients in the recommended one are: Water, Cloralstan (stabilised chlorine dioxide), Trisodium Phosphate, Citric Acid). Kind of odd to leave this up when others have also commented about this video reviewing one of the products that she also recommends avoiding? I do hope you two can have an interview discussion as I think a lot of us are quite curious. I can't get behind the essential oils in any of this junk, incuding any Xylitol products all of which have eo's in them. I just swish with water with dissolved xylitol granules in it. I am curious if your Fygg has eo's in it - I thought I was safe, but it really tastes like there are some in there. The label is NOT clear.

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

I'm just 2 minutes into your video, and I'm so glad to hear you address this confusing protocol! My attitude has been to take what that dentist has shared that makes sense to me to have value, and to ignore the rest. Thank you!

[@dr.elliephillips]

He is completely wrong. I specify not using the Gum Health Closys.

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

Perhaps. However, with all due respect, many of the products you recommend are a chemical annihilation of the mouth's natural healthy microbiome, and that puzzles me because it is in opposition to your stated ideology about same! Not to mention the artificial coloring, fluoride and sweetners (saccharine??!!). Makes zero sense to me! I've learned a lot from your general information, and I use xylitol religiously, but I knew enough about the ingredients in many products you promote to ignore them! If you can explain your reasoning, my ears are open!@@dr.elliephillips

[@Jasmin.flawaa]

I will continue using your system because it has worked well for me ​@@dr.elliephillips

[@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027]

Mark, make the video with Dr Ellie happen please

[@lovinglife3954]

Thanks for this discussion. Dr. Burhenne, I don't see any product links in your video details.

[@isaack5047]

Hello Dr B. Question about Xylitol: Does it need to be made from Birch wood .. or can it be harvested naturally from non-GMO Corncob extract to do its good job in our mouth ? I have easy access to the latter form.

[@MaryBywaters]

Same here.

[@sallysmack9372]

What oral protocol do you recommend? And please leave product links.

[@Jasmin.flawaa]

None!! lol he only attacks other people's protocols

[@wtorresroman]

I’ved been using Dr. Ellie’s recommended system for 4 months now and is going well for me.

[@jennifermichaud446]

What is your take on essential oils (cinnamon & peppermint) in toothpaste & if I use a diy baking soda oral rinse. Do these EOs get rid of good bacteria as well as bad?

[@mamabear9389]

I have this same question. I would think they would destroy both good and bad bacteria but don’t know for sure.

[@dez6278]

Dr. Ellie has said they don't kill the good bacteria. Some EO do kill all bacteria and viruses, like tea tree oil, iirc.

[@POWERPOT55]

Could you review pur gum?

[@carolinesterling9307]

The zellie’s xylitol mints are making me feel dizzy, bloated and nauseated. I’m frustrated because I’d like to get the benefits of xylitol. Any suggestions? Thank you 🙏🏽

[@jakobw135]

Is the Jason brand of toothpaste and oral care products - good to use?

[@PenelopeRyder]

@markburhenne,dss I am in the UK on your website I see PUR as Xylitol then in the video you mentioned PPL and I am not sure where I can get PPL would you let me know. Thank you

[@soriano3361]

you guys should obviously just have a conversation here for us to see

[@debbietaylor1141]

I would love that.

[@runae7368]

went in to the dentist yesterday after using her protocol for three months. I had a hard time with the toothpaste so it was a rough start. No change in most places but the pockets got worse in the back. I'm getting a deep clean today and another one on the other side next week. She says that her system will remove tarter and calculus under the gum if I stick with it for six months to a year. I can't take that chance so I'm getting it removed today before I end up at a periodontist with bigger problems. I can't imagine what ingredients she thinks can do that in these products. I changed my diet and my teeth didn't have any plaque or tarter on them outside of the gum area. I just need to address the area subgingival.

[@jakobw135]

Would using some salt and baking soda with water, make a good rinse?

[@MsVivian4979]

I use an Oral B electric toothbrush. Arm and Hammer Peroxicare toothpaste and a water pik flosser. My dentist tried to give me a rinse for drymouth and I said no. She was so mad and told me that the next time I go in I would have lots of cavities. I don't have many cavities now so I don't believe her and I know mouth washes aren't recommended. I eat a vegan diet and drink water so I don't know why there are problems with dehydration. Any insights? Thanks for the video.

[@annasobkowiak3885]

Dear Doctor, thank you so much!!! Explaining all details of dr Ellie protocol is pure gold for us, thank you again. Now I can better understand what to do with my money to get best oral health possible 🙂 ...and it's not buying and using pesticides for sure 🙂

[@julesprice5805]

I started with Dr. Ellie Phillips books and recommended products for three people due to all the great reviews, but definitely wasnt happy with any of the toxic ingredients because I only use organic, chemical free, earth friendly products normally. I really couldn't get past the feelings.I had about the toxic ingredients every time I use the products so I discarded everything but the gum, mints, and xylitol packets. I found Dr. Michelle Jorgensen and her products were much cleaner and organic, however since finding and watching Dr. Burhennes interview with The Primal Podcast, I'm sticking with his recommendations. The amount of knowledge and information he shares in that podcast is staggering and just downright impressive!!! I've never felt so educated on a subject matter except for Dr. David Brownstein on iodine and everyone needs to know that information as well. Thank you Dr. Burhenne for having such an interest at an early age and for educating yourself full force and sharing it with us!!!

[@jakobw135]

What do you think of Jason toothpastes?

[@Z0Bear]

What are your thoughts on vitamin c toothpaste?

[@joanroth8594]

Please discuss. Finding Dr. Ellie also led me to Mark, both of whom I like. I have been following Dr. Ellie's protocol, despite the dyes and alphabet soup chemically ingredients. I am about ready to stop because of this video as well as Andrew Huberman who thanked both of them for their input toward his podcast, but at the end of the day, he came out strongly against alcohol rinse. Every day we are learning new things about microbiome, gut and oral, and the bad as well as good bacteria. It makes sense that killing all bacteria is not smart. Dr. Ellie, why use alcohol? And, is Mark correct that there are pesticides in the rinses? Mark, I thought I heard you say that nano hydroxyapatite was also good for whitening, not just cavity prevention.

[@kymng2665]

What’s the brand to xylitol gum Dr. B recommended in this video? Pur?

[@lanael7278]

As a chemist, I agree with your analysis of this dental system 100%. Could you talk about ozone use for dental health?

[@studentaccount4354]

Ozone is very bad for human and cell tissues. It is bad for lungs and a known pollutant. I heard about this so called therapy. That can be dangerous.

[@marklang4122]

What about the gum massage routine she promotes?hat looks like it could be beneficial. Please advise. Thank you.

[@hagbard72]

Can't find PPL gum on amazon canada. I've been using PUR. My teeth, according to me new dentist, are a mess. Says I need 4 units of cleaning, this after only three months from my last (two units), with the previous dentist. Wants me in every three months, and says my underbite is due to a breathing problem (huh?). Thinking of looking for another new dentist.

[@dez6278]

What are units of cleaning? Is that a deep cleaning, broken into quadrants?

[@aurelienb9109]

What about using pure ultra-ventilated bentonite or kaolin clay with water as toothpaste?

[@iLegitimize]

Visiting and having a conversation with an experienced and thorough dentist will always be what's right for any individual's oral health. Whether someone uses 5 mouthwashes a day or uses hydroxyapatite toothpaste should be discussed with a professional that can assess and understand their situation. It would be nice if there were more competent dentists involved in the KZbin/online community that can share their experiences and knowledge. I find both of you incorrect in some ways and correct in others, it's frustrating to want to learn more about this topic but have such conflicting opinions from qualified professionals. But then again, that is the world of modern dentistry it seems.

[@arnoldvankampen3672]

I would like to know the effect of sweetener on ones blood sugar level. As I understand it, even the sweet taste will trigger a glucose release, which in turn would trigger insulin release. So one more contributor to the sugar level roller coaster?

[@lovinglife3954]

I have similar questions, and how it intermittent fasting.

[@dez6278]

Layne Norton quoted a study saying it's false, just 1 small study backed that up while a meta-analysis (a review of several large studies) found no blood sugar or insulin response to tasting something sweet.

[@veritybarrow498]

Thank you for this video. I am so disappointed because i have just tried to source all of this stuff in desperation to stop/heal my receeding gums! I now want to send it all back (i bought in bulk!) Could you PLEASE recommend what products we should use in the UK? Many thank in advance

[@baja7419]

Aren't detailed discourses like this supposed to be presented at Functional/Homeopathic/other like minded dental conferences? Or have dental conferences also become so corrupted and jaded that truthful White Papers that go against the narrative never see the light of day? I understand that certain chemicals at certain concentrations have a toxicity, but I don't think extrapolateing from different chemical compounds gives us the most accurate or complete picture. If the commercial products which Dr Phillips suggest are all so toxic wouldn't we see a trend of higher tumors of the gums, tongue and mouth? The products even as Dr B stated have been around for decades. If the protocol is compounding and accelerating this toxicity level wouldn't there be even more cancers? Why do so many people give testimony that the results give a positive outcome and are so repeatable? If there is specific research that shows the specific commercial products are dangerous and the research findings are reproduceable then let's see those papers. Otherwise we may leave ourselves open to being accused simply spreading FUD (Fear Uncertainty & Dought). Hopefully we are seeking the full and complete truth and best way to care for our oral health. Also, our family buys products from both of the Dr's.

[@mamabear9389]

I wish someone would speak out about dog toothpaste. They have the same problem. Toxic ingredients that destroy the oral microbiome.

[@dr.elliephillips]

Explore a product called TEEF. Never give xylitol to dogs.

[@mamabear9389]

@dr.elliephillips Thank you. My dogs eat a carnivore diet and have great teeth at 15 and 16. They get raw meaty bones and chunks of meat which require them to chew. I also brush their teeth with coconut oil or ghee. As far as TEEF, I would caution people that one formula contains sodium bicarbonate which alkalizes stomach acid. This is very problematic for dogs, especially those that consume raw meaty bones which require stomach acid to digest them properly. It is also bad for dogs with kidney issues. I believe they started making a formula without sodium bicarbonate. Most dog dental problems are a direct cause of eating kibble which is high in carbs and causes the healthy mouth bacteria to become pathogenic. Fix the diet and you fix the teeth.

[@gringoroko]

Also isn't the recommended dosage for xylitol 6-10 gram per day and not 6-10 mg??

[@Annee1111]

I did that protocol 4 months. Just had the most painful cleaning in my life, and yes the dentist found another cavity to work on….I left my dentist over this. Switching dentists anyway. Thank you for your info. She claims it works for her and her kids.

[@runae7368]

I go in for a three month check in to see if anything improved. I'm very careful with the ACT because it will stain teeth with dead plaque. I also added midday coconut oil and xylitol swishing. I also continue to floss once a day in the evening. I like to hear from people who both had success and failures with the routine. I don't believe in one size fits all protocol plus genetics plays a huge part in what we are prone to. Sorry you had bad results. Wish me luck.

[@margokruger9096]

I didn't have success with the protocol. My teeth became so painful and sensitive. One size does not fit all....

[@MaryBywaters]

@@runae7368 Good luck X

[@lindsayfarquharson2446]

I followed this protocol for about three months until I started to get dark staining inbetween my teeth. I stopped but then developed little bumps all over my tongue and a dry rough area in the middle of my tongue . After about 6 weeks I got a thick white coating on the front half of my tongue and on my palate. The roof of my mouth felt numb and slightly swollen and I would get a sherbet-like taste in my mouth. After about a week, it shed but would return and then shed again. I also have a cavity that needs filling. I am taping my mouth at night and using xylitol to try and keep my ph steady. I’m dry brushing in the morning and using Boka toothpaste at night after flossing. It’s slowly improving but I really regret doing it.

[@runae7368]

I'm having tongue problems now at about three months of use. I'm laying off everything except a very mild toothpaste and some salt water rinses for the gum inflammation. Also, eat foods that are alkaline.

[@MaryBywaters]

@@runae7368 What about the xylitol? Not using that either. I was thinking about using a salt water rinse before brushing.

[@dral22]

So you don't recommend oil pulling with coconut oil?. I've been using that method for years, and my teeth are healthy.

[@runae7368]

I've seen him use it in his protocol.

[@dez6278]

Dr. B, I do wish she'd explain more about the chosen products because she says we're preserving the microbiome and that Listerine's essential oils don't kill the good bacteria but kill the bad bacteria (strep). I wonder if the 21% of alcohol is too diluted to kill the good bacteria? (The Closys also advertises "kills 99% of bacteria" and doesn't specify that it's just the bad breath causing bacteria, as listerine does. Listerine still says it's as effective as flossing but has a * and down at the bottom beside the * it says "above the gumline". I have the Walmart store brand of Listerine, same exact ingredient list and same % of active ingredients and it's pH is 6. Closys Ultra Sensitive and Act both have a pH of 7. (You were naming the ingredients from Listerine, but said they were for the Act.) Oh, Poloxamer 407 is a color dispersal agent. It's in a liquid rx medication I take. I'm concerned, I have some pockets, the 2 deepest were 4-5 and they said I need a deep cleaning, with scaling and root planing. I've had so much aggressive dentistry that I'm super anxious at the dentist and I'm trying to avoid the deep cleaning. My gums did bleed back then, a couple of years ago after I'd neglected my teeth for 6+ months when my mental health was poor. I think the Act is staining my teeth, brown between them, and yesterday they were more translucent, with only the center of a tooth not looking translucent. Can you tell me if this means they're losing minerals or being damaged by this? I'd love to see you both discuss her system! (If we're preserving the microbiome, why do 2 of 3, or all 3 mouthwashes kill 99% of bacteria? If I have gum disease maybe it's best to keep using them?)

[@angiehernandez5505]

I've been using Dr. Ellie's protocol for one year. Although i was reluctant because i didn't like the ingredients, it did make my mouth and teeth feel amazing, and it cleared a sensitivity that I'd had for 7 years. I did have to get acclimated to the Listerine. Dr. Ellie does warn to not overdo the listerine or you could have undesirable effects. Recently, my teeth are feeling a little sensitive. It may be that the duration of the protocol depends on one's specific dental issues. Obviously, everyone's needs are unique. Also, aside from the xylitol mints, these products are not Dr. Ellie's oroducts, they are products that she recommends.

[@fderijk6195]

it would be great if you both can do a full on interview toghether.I always go with alternative, but for some reason ellie did rethink a lot on her mouth care system and it was so convincing that I bought it.I would be great to find out wich alternative we can use for closys and act because it is so expensive to buy from amazon these things. what about oxyfresh? they use sodium chlorine?or can we make closys ourself if we buy stabelized chlorine dioxine? al these things....I think you both can truely inspire eachother

[@abbiec6057]

Thank you

[@margokruger9096]

I am so relieved that you are talking about this. I followed this protocol, but after 2 weeks had to stop because my teeth became ultra sensitive.....so much pain. Still trying to recover from it.

[@Stormlucy111]

Can you talk about nanoparticles in hydroxyapatite which according to some articles are not at all safe.

[@Pinkpandacoat]

PEG isnt banned in the EU. It was in your MRNA jibby jab

[@runae7368]

I know right? That was my first thought too.

[@mamabear9389]

I am glad someone is finally exposing the toxicity of her recommendations. I eat a carnivore diet. No plaque, no gum disease and all I do is brush with plain water and floss.

[@dr.elliephillips]

He is completely messed up with his evaluation. A quick call to me or better yet a conversation would so help him. 50 years of clinical experience should interest him.

[@runae7368]

the active ingredient in Closys is stabilized chlorine dioxide. You reviewed the wrong Closys.

[@ThisMoment11]

I really wanted this protocol to work for me but I felt sick to my stomach from it, she recommends the original listerine, 29% alcohol, it just absolutely knocked me out- it hurts actually.. felt sick afterwards and had chest pain- poured everything down the drain.

[@wendyscott8425]

This sounds like way too much trouble. I use a Slate every night and an electric toothbrush twice a day, and my teeth are lovely at age 78. I do have some receding gums, but that started happening years ago. Oh well. I also use toothpaste with xylitol and xylitol mints and gum when I feel like it.

[@MaryBywaters]

What is a slate please?

[@simabennifla8650]

Thank you

[@gj9736]

Dr, Burhenne I know exactly who you are talking about and I totally agree with you. I fell for her hype and did try her “protocol” for only 2 days which irritated my entire mouth equal to having burned your mouth by eating something very hot. It gave me a very sore tongue, the roof of my mouth and all the inside of my cheeks. Needless to say I trashed everything and went back to my trusted toothpaste I have been using for years which DOES NOT irritate my mouth, also this dentist suggests not to floss because it is “bad” for you which I find absurd! I floss 2 to 3 times per day and also use my water pick 2x per day besides brushing 3x, I have been doing that for decades because I am one of those people that always has quite a lot of calculous buildup behind my lower front teeth. I would NEVER EVER not floss because that’s a good way to loose your pearly whites! I could kick myself for being so gullible but thankfully I came to my senses rather quickly by having a very sore mouth for 1 week after trying her “protocol”! 🥴

[@annbp2502]

I agree with this doctor, I have tried this protocol no one told me nor am I in favor of any character, I am in favor of truth and health, this protocol destroyed my oral health, now I have burning, bleeding gums and no progress regarding cavities, I feel CHEATED.

[@runae7368]

I'm in recovery from the system too. I have candida on the tongue and needed an emergency deep cleaning. She insists her protocol will remove calculus under the gums which is an out right lie. Only a mechanical removal by a hygienists can remove cement like tarter under the gums. She also makes the false claim that Listerine doesn't kill good bacteria which is a lie as the company itself says it kills both good and bad when I asked. She has some good advise on food and how to eat but all her protocol is based on antidotal evidence and no real studies.

[@ligiasommers]

I agree with you completely!!I saw one video of that professional and I was chocked : she tells people to use mouthwash( known for its problems ) but not to floss , not take off tartar , she claims she can reverse gum recession but if you watch the full episode she says she can , maybe , stop it from getting worse ( very misleading and perhaps not very honest ). Thank you Dr B for addressing this difficult situation and for being a gentleman, even though I already saw her name mentioned on the comments 🙏🏻🌷✨🙏🏻

[@benjaminkestner]

You ever notice how KZbin interrupts these kinds of videos with commercials more then others hmmmm I wonder why ......I'm just waiting for the Dr to get to his next point so I can be interrupted by a crest ad

[@LouReed9]

You dropped the ball on this one Doc. The Closys recommended by this woman does not contain cetylpyridinium chloride. Nor does it contain fluoride. Seems like you have a personal vendetta or something. At least get the facts straight.

[@miabeia3117]

I started following her until I looked at the products and said no way is she really recommending these products! Is she is a fake dentist?😳

[@dr.elliephillips]

This is Dr. Ellie I originally licensed as a dentist n the UK, worked in Switzerland where I learned about gum massage, xylitol, and nutrition for oral health in the 1970s, Worked in my own office for 10 years - where I formulated this preventive system through patient education in a high decay population, including older adults and special needs children and adults. I came to the US and specialized as a Pediatric Dentist and a Cosmetic dentist (AEGD) at the University of Rochester where I worked under the researcher who conducted the original xylitol studies in the 1970s. Frustrated with the lack of interest in effective prevention I left the University in 2004, and went into Private Practice. I have been a dentist for 50 years. In 2002 I founded a xylitol company called Zellies ( before Internet or Amazon etc.) I have a lifetime of educating patients, pregnant mothers, and health professionals. Judge me - but I'm not fake. I felt it was important to reply to you because this seems a pretty challenging community - who for some reason think I am out to gain something. I developed this effective system of care early in my career and share it simply because it is so effective for people who have ongoing dental problems. I get nothing from the companies. I actually do what I do as a mission of love.❤‍🩹

[@yoheff988]

Tried her system for 8 months straight, result: An absolute zero, a complete waste of time money energy and above all hope!

[@ConquererWarrior]

I purchased her mouthwash Act and then learnt about the ingredients as I do much research. Once I discovered the effects of this, I threw it out

[@melissajanaemiddleton6811]

Now that I've watched your entire video, I have to say I agree with absolutely everything you've said. What is so confounding is that this dentist whose protocol you are reviewing actually talks about the necessity of supporting the healthy microbiome of the mouth, and how that helps to keep the s. mutans controlled, among other benefits. So WHY in God's green earth is she recommending a protocol that defies her very recommendations?!? It makes no sense at all!! And she has said verbatim that these products such as Listerine and the Crest toothpaste do not disturb the healthy microbiome. This is an utter non sequiter!

[@joanroth8594]

Mark does make errors here....these companies sell more than one formulation of product and Dr. Ellie is very specific about the need to use the correct formulation to achieve the 'synergy' she claims works. But, although in a time gone by this might have been the best you can do, I think it might be dated. Just make the gut parallel....we knew so little 5-10 years ago, about good bacteria and boosting the immune system, etc. Who knew about sour kraut! lol

[@WebDesignSocal]

Hey Mark! Ellie is saying that you reviewed the wrong Closys product! If you are going to critique, at least get it right. She recommends the Ultrasensitive, not the Pre-rinse that you reviewed. Please confess your reckless lack of attention to detail and review the Ultrasensitive. Also, you said that you were going to recommend alternatives to each product. But you didn't recommend a toothpaste. Please recommend a toothpaste and cite the percentage concentration of nano-hydroxyapatite contained in it. I've heard 10% is the minimum needed. Boka only has 2%. Then just fyi, the timestamps on your video are off. All these errors are due to lack of attention to detail and taken together they severely impair your credibility. It makes me think that if I went you your office you might drill and fill the wrong tooth.

[@karent.8245]

For PETE'S SAKE who/what are we to believe? Ya'll should be ashamed of yourselves! Trying to one-up each other just like children on a playground. You do need to pay closer attention to the products that Dr. Ellie recommends. She specifically mentions them. You're critiquing the wrong ones.

[@joerockhead7246]

this sounds a lot like an oral health care routine i tried last year. I wound up with brown stains on my teeth. i was horrified! fortunately my dental hygienist was able to remove the stains. I immediately threw all the products out and kissed this routine goodbye.

[@wildcatwildcat7531]

Wow, that's exactly what happened to me.

[@Miguel-ws9zm]

It’s the cetylpyridinium chloride that stains your teeth! Used to use it all the time and always got the brown stains…I’ve stayed away from it since then because of that, but this video has now reinforced that idea in my mind even further.

[@joanroth8594]

Wow, I thought it was tea and coffee stains. I think I need to drop this protocol right away!

[@runae7368]

@@joanroth8594 The cetylpyridinium chloride is in the ACT so you could do what I did and switch that out for the therabreath fluoride which doesn't contain that ingredient plus it has xylitol in it.

[@dez6278]

Same thing is happening to me, just over a month in. I'm getting Closys Silver, which has fluoride, and going to use it instead of Act, which has the ingredient that stains.

[@Elizabeth-d1n]

Dr. Mark, please do your homework before critiquing Dr. Ellie's system. Have your facts straight re the products she recommends, and please don't waste our time as you search online for ingredient lists -- be prepared beforehand and have your internet tabs open and ready. In fact, buy the products, have them in front of you, and critique them directly. I'd love to see a discussion between you and Dr. Ellie, as you both are committed to your way of thinking -- but this sideline attack without getting your facts in order seems out of line.

[@Kristina-yr6xg]

Alcohol in Mouthwash cause high blood pressure? No, its regarding the mouthwash with chlorhexadin in it.

[@fderijk6195]

mark, you really do not get what ellie is teaching...it is not ok to analize it al wrongly, and she has a very good reason for not following the closys mouthrinse after brushing.she made her own unique system

[@dlu8666]

Too many ads!

[@oscarverwey]

Then use youtube premium 😂

[@JuliaCordero85]

Kind Sir, where is your research is ANY better AND your not willing to do a round table? Sounds like you're jealous and upset you didn't come up with this. Way to be a grown man hater.

[@trejea1754]

Dr. you wasted a lot of time arguing against ingredients in a formula you claim Dr.Ellie recommends. Do your research and at least know the product you are supposed to be talking about.

[@MilaBrightSmile199]

🦷🪥💎

[@geoc1005]

He misrepresents and denigrates Dr Ellie's protocol but doesn't offer anything to do instead and he doesn't respond to the fact that her system WORKS!! Why doesn't he talk to her?? Until such time, respect lost.👎

[@gardeniainbloom812]

From what I can tell he got only one product wrong (the closys she recommends is the ultra sensitive not the regular) everything else was correct. He offered better alternative and method too. So no misrepresentation but an honest critique which we should all be grateful for. That said I'd love to see a discussion between them. You have to admit 3 mouth washes yet no flossing is weird.

[@desmondo7042]

Thanks, always wise to hear informed information. 👍👍🦘🦘

[@kymng2665]

What’s the brand to xylitol gum Dr. B recommended in this video? Is it Pur?