Asmongold Calls Out All Female Vtubers

[@nyos22]

"men are like this." If ANY of the fujo baiting male vtubers came out and announced they had an irl gf, I expect the exact same reaction from the female fans.

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

Lmao no. The female fans would straight up kill someone. Fujos are insane, ask anyone who knows. You WANT male fans because female ones are unhinged.

[@Hazamatoxin]

Yeah fr, it's bad on both sides of the isle but for different reasons.

[@thatoneguyyouthinkshouldbe2431]

@@Hazamatoxinelaborate please, I’m retarded.

[@Kyugorn]

I'm sorry... FUJO-baiting? That's a thing? I have never encountered anything like that anywhere.

[@nyos22]

@@Kyugorn Who do you think Vox's 2 hour long "boyfriend asmrs" are for?

[@viktorfrecska1820]

Its not just men tho. When Joey (the anime man) announced that he is dating Aki, he immediately lost more than 20% of his female audience

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

This generation doesn't know every male rockstar kept their relationships secret because of their female fans.

[@alexdhamp]

​@gr33dl0cknein3 Same with male idols in S. Korea...their female fans (akgae and/or sasaeng) go absolutely nuts if they find out they have a significant other.

[@SGT676]

Some time ago Vox from Nikisanji had to tell his fans he doesnt know them and hes not their friend. After they started to harras another Niji vtuber because she dared to speak to him. Of course hed shortly go back to the BF experience thing.

[@IKIGAIofficial]

Even when Asmon got a girlfriend, a lot of his viewers got mad at him and stopped supporting him. 😂 But thats more of a parasocial relatability thing than a parasocial dating thing.

[@yumin_pluto558]

@@SGT676to be fair, Vox is an asshole and he only made that statement after hard farming for parasocial points for his entire time as Vox. People who farm parasocials the most get the most blowback from stuff like that, because that’s the audience they’ve encouraged and fostered. Also from what I’ve heard his “I’m not your friend” speech rubbed people the wrong way, even those who weren’t as passionate about him or parasocial with him.

[@RaccAttack77]

To be fair the whole Rushia thing wasn’t JUST because she was married. That whole thing was a total shitshow

[@Matthew_Y]

Yeah, she was an abusive, gold digging yandere who also cheated on her husband.

[@Power-9Hunnid]

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[@assaulthetz]

She is doing GFE content and when busted she is rolling around fk around Cover and give information at the 3rd party, few months after that, revealed that she's married and divorced, doing domestic abuse and killing a cat. Yeah, it was crappy alright.

[@rafresendenrafresenden.1644]

@@Matthew_Y that are still just rumors

[@SaganTheKhajiit]

Yeah for most international fans it was more about the abuse to her then husband, rather than the husband himself.

[@rangehottv7254]

"Men are like this" To be fair I think the impact also depends on your personal branding. The more you reel viewers in by being flirty/sexy, the more people are going to be disappointed when the immersion is ruined. It's like pro wrestling, people know it's not real but they don't want their fantasy ruined.

[@adlernelson285]

Yeah, but as a pro wrestling fan, you have to acknowledge the reality that Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns are friendly backstage at some point. You can't be getting toxic if that information comes out outside of a match or promo.

[@Sikex243]

​@@adlernelson285I don't think OP means that people get angry that their immersion is ruined. More like disappointed or sad.

[@joeyginise6051]

fair

[@Orthane]

Vtubers: Farm Parasocial viewers and do things like Romantic ASMR Also Vtubers: *wHy ARe ViEwErS uPSeT I HaVE a BOyFriENd*

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

That only happens with tourist vtubers tho. Real vtubers understand The Game.

[@CoalCoalJames]

@@gr33dl0cknein3 LOL~ Gatekeeping the fake avatar game~ now that's a good laugh, thanks man.

[@Mooxieclang]

​@@CoalCoalJames Keep the gate on all your hobbies is a good motto to go by 🤷

[@McKae00]

​@@CoalCoalJames Gatekeeping is good for everything.

[@probablynotdad6553]

PARASOCIAL FAKSS >:DDD - Finana literal moments before killing her career permanently, can't even get above 300-400 viewers now.

[@izuko5857]

I mean to be fair on the Rushia situation she leaned pretty hard into building a parasocial relationship with her viewers. Selling wedding rings and other stuff like that along with the whole GFE thing.

[@RyuSaarva]

People keep mentioning that rushia wedding ring merch like it´s something special, while the entire nijisanji crew sells those too.

[@vergillives9890]

​@@RyuSaarvathe difference is Rushia is the Girl Friend Experience in every iteration she does and shes the yandere

[@JanitorScruffy]

Holy schnikes that's wild. Yeah I feel like that's courting a very specific, very deranged audience.

[@pixymisa8087]

One current member of Hololive is pretty widely known to be married with children, and it doesn't hurt her popularity in the slightest.

[@edrimuspage9667]

​@@pixymisa8087 who that? I'm not doubting, but would like to know. Figure it's Moona, but not sure.

[@dannyd.9932]

“Don’t be a simp, bros” -Pippa

[@jamminninja8924]

glory to pippakistan?

[@pixymisa8087]

Capipis: Simp harder!

[@SaganTheKhajiit]

Better yet: simp for ber boyfriend too.

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

@@SaganTheKhajiit Cuckpipis? I mean, for our smelly little sis, sure.

[@sirmidor]

Weird to bring pippa up, she's done the same sort of things: Talking about how she's definitely a virgin and never had relationships, despite literally streaming with her boyfriend as her PL.

[@TheMercian13]

Rushia strongly pushed the parasocial relationship on her streams, so that was a self-inflicted wound.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

Yeah, if you're going to be a streamer be honest about all this from the start and understand what will happen.

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

Rushia was 100% GFE and even sold engagement rings as merch.

[@zato-1766]

They kind of all do tbh. That's why I don't have a ton of sympathy for most East Asian style idols when they get heat for dating. Their entire brand is fostered on developing parasocial relationships and it's really weird that this is becoming normalized.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

@@zato-1766 fair. I guess I draw a line between parasocial friendships and romance. I'm not even drawn to the later at all.

[@__BlacklotuS__]

i can fix her

[@OutlawViIe]

This is gonna be a nuclear hot take but: No, it doesn't suck that men are like that because men just want to believe in the dream of having a family and being happy. What sucks is women won't accept the fact that selling that waifu/e-girlfriend image to men doesn't work when they know you're with someone else. Most men believe it or not respect a relationship BECAUSE THEY WANT ONE. So no, it doesn't suck that it falls apart when men find out you're in a relationship, if anything they're demonstrating a respect for your relationship by not pursuing that ideal or fantasy further.

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

The entire premise of vtubers is, as it was conceived, "anime girl that is for (You)", it stems from JP idol culture and has the added layer of separation from reality that's a Live 2D avatar. There's a mutual unspoken contract between vtuber and vtuber fan; vtuber never breaks immersion or character and the fan maintains his suspension of disbelief. The new generation of western vtubers, and I'll say this in the nicest way possible, aren't real vtubers, but content creators or e-girls with an anime avatar. Most don't even understand the very basics of the medium, and they don't care to know. People reading this may get offended, or project emotions onto these words, but these are just facts, no opinions were stated.

[@OutlawViIe]

@@gr33dl0cknein3 Nice opinion but you just agreed with what I said. The men are there for the illusion. Revealing you have a significant other, breaks the illusion and pulls them out of it. Women being upset that these men then leave to find someone else to watch and hope they one day may have a shot, is not bad. That is them both coming back to reality, and accepting that this person is an actor, and not available. It's a respectful thing. Hence why I said, no it doesn't suck that men stop watching non-single women when the intent of the content is the illusion of them being single. Real virtual tuber or not.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@gr33dl0cknein3 i kinda agree, I remember when I first found holo-en they were talking of how quick they gave up on the "idol" image lol

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@OutlawViIe I don't think dude was disagreeing, rather agreed and wanted to expand on that idea with his take of the illusion that's being sold by the japanese to accommodate to the male wants.

[@OutlawViIe]

@@denkerbosu3551 He invoked a no true Scotsman fallacy and had to disclaim it with "and I'll say this in the nicest way possible," followed shortly by "People reading this may get offended,". It's pretty obvious it would be seen as rude and inflammatory, which probably means it's a disagreeable point made from a subjective opinion. Which flies in the face of it being stated as "just facts". If you want to find the foundation flaw look no further than "vtuber = anime girl".

[@Harmonica-9944]

I find it funny that if guys find out a chick is taken they’ll lose interest, but when guys are taken they often get more women wanting them lol

[@DoctorWasabi96]

it all comes down to the subconscious ( instinct )

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@DoctorWasabi96 ultra female instinct: he's wanted ---> he must be a good catch ---> I want to catch him.

[@Александр911-х6л]

This us why some dudes have a fake marry rings

[@GuilhermeDiGiorgi]

Yeah, because if a girl is taken, the guy is like "damn, I'll have to fight another guy to get her, it's honestly a pain, I'm out" and let's face it, most girls are taken. If a guy is taken on the other hand the girl is like "hum, that's rare, this one is taken, there must be something good about him for another girl to want him, I think I want to find out what she saw on him..."

[@-jay-2993]

@@GuilhermeDiGiorgimen being taken is not rare lmao also that just makes women look like assholes for going after a taken man

[@koidayo]

meanwhile Henya followers actively friendzoning her on a daily basis 🗿

[@Jes9119]

And Bao.

[@okami-chan9772]

Genius dayo!

[@CarlosAlbertoGarcíaJiménez]

She too NEET dayo.

[@icaruswindrune7116]

Iori as well (from what I've seen). They can be brutal lmao

[@user-um7jx9mc2r]

Parasocial viewers only apply to people who propagate sexual/borderline sexual things. Vtubers that are wholesome/normal don’t really cultivate an environment for weirdos

[@ardabruh1340]

Who would've thought even simps have standards of not wanting to simp for a taken girl

[@darklelouchg8505]

They simp because they want someone, simple as that. That they move on when someone is taken, seems like the better way to handle it then seething or doing something crazy. Honestly it's all a bit sad to see across the board imo.

[@ShiningDarknes]

@@darklelouchg8505 Right? At least they aren't creepy about it. At least they just move on, more fish in the sea and all that.

[@boxbox0000]

NTR bros: "Wait, we might be onto something here."

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@boxbox0000 imagine thinking you can steal away a streamer from her irl bf. Like, that's even below simp.

[@Dankus_Memeus_II]

@@darklelouchg8505yeah why is this such a problem lmao like they should be moving on. Oh but these vtuber need to have that clout and simps lusting for them to boost their egos they could care less about their relationship

[@wangusbeef86]

"Oh no, single men no longer interested in me upon discovering that I'm not available" so sad 😢

[@FourEyedFrenchman]

I guess it beats finding out that your favorite vtuber is a dude with a voice changer lol.

[@christianalanwilson434]

it smacks of her caring more about now having fewer fans to weasel money out of really

[@kopicat2429]

I suppose I can understand the sentiment. At least for a content creator. Unless the content is purely sexual, it is a wake up call to many. That they never actually cared about her content. She might think that people will initially tune in because she's a girl and possibly hot. But hope they will stay because of the content more then anything. At least I'd hope any self respecting content creator would have that mindset.

[@samnsamole9448]

honestly if you feel some kind of inability to watch pixels on a screen because you want to imagine yourself in a relationship with those pixels and it hurts you, uh [redacted random offensive statement]. seriously normie brains are just not built to withstand using the internet and technology

[@kopicat2429]

@@samnsamole9448 Erm, watching a V-tuber is being anything but a normie by definition though right? A normie would hardly even know what a v-tuber is, let alone actually watch a video from them. I agree with the rest of the comment though.

[@Unsc.Helljumper0]

Vtubers when building parasocial relationships have parasocial consequences. "Oh no how could this have possibly happened?!"

[@nickd6303]

I believe it was called the "wedding ring effect" as soon word is out that she's in a relationship it's like putting on the one ring becoming invisible to all men with her presence only to be known to the ring wraiths (other women) and the watchful eye of Sauron ( the Internet).

[@ninjatango]

Poor ladies. Stuck with the same amount of attention they deserve, like men get by default.

[@batteredskullsummit9854]

The opposite is true for men, funny enough

[@savejeff15]

I would actually not be bothered if Alana had a boyfriend or husband. I just don't like when they are included in the content. Im here for alana entertainment not thirdwheeling

[@ryanwood6754]

Agreed. This goes for male or female youtubers. I'm here because I like you and your personality not your spouses. Doesn't mean I hate their spouse etc its just I watch a few youtubers now who let their significant other get involved and they have zero charisma or are the exact opposite to the original youtuber and it effects the content. Sometimes you get lucky and they both are like each other. For instance stimpee and his girlfriend make similar hilarious content and I enjoy both of them but they usually try to keep each other out of videos unless they just happen to be on the same server etc

[@Eidolon5150]

Because she is a professional yapper, she isn’t one of those GFE vtubers.

[@savejeff15]

@@Eidolon5150 I think you missed the point of the video and my comment a bit

[@Weird-Person-24]

Agreed. I personally don’t care if anyone I watch is in a relationship. As long as it doesn’t damage the content then it’s all good. I just like listening to some of Alana’s content because most of her opinions are reasonable. Also, I don’t watch the news all that much. So, I sometimes get informed about new things when watching these videos. 👍👍

[@Real-Name..Maqavoy]

Same. But so many folks can't phantom that they life a happy life. And most of the times (not all times) will pull the; "I-can-fix-Her" card. But I digress.

[@TheGelatinousSnake]

Selling a fantasy. No longer providing fantasy, then why expect buyers? Solution, sell a different kind of fantasy like humor?

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

Female comedians? That’s real comedy right there. 😂

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

*mind=blown*

[@FrarmerFrank]

Pekora wanted to prove she could could be successful being funny and not relying on her looks (super model level...its why she needs to watch herself around certain girls....especially Marine with the running gag of trying to get Pekora to sleep over at her house but she doesnt trust Marine😹

[@LKRBooks]

@@Spectacular_Insanity I wouldn’t say fanfan is a comedian but she’s fucking unhinged to the point I don’t think she needs to sell a fantasy… cause the fucked up things in her head seems to sell

[@user-pr6zj9du9t]

A lot of the time, these streamers will not even be selling this fantasy directly, yet lonely dudes will project their fantasies onto them as their ideal partner. It's unhealthy. Hell, even selling this "girlfriend experience" is inherently unhealthy, and should not be a surrogate for trying to overcome one's social challenges. Besides, it's also utterly insane to me that so many people think they have an actual chance with these streamers who don't even know they exist. The same can be applied to people who fawn over celebrities. Funnily enough, I'd wager every single "girlfriend experience" VTuber has been in a relationship before, because you can really tell when a woman is inexperienced with what makes men tick(nothing wrong with that of course), so it seems really unlikely to me that a pure, virgin lady would be so good at pressing the correct buttons.

[@fnvf3]

Personally under the impression that people can follow/unfollow for *any* reason as no-one owes streamers anything. As long as the streamer in question isn't getting harassed by the ex fans, it should be perfectly fine.

[@ShiningDarknes]

40 is less than 1% of her folowers, she was attention seeking plain and simple. 1% is nothing, if she lost 10% then that would be a bit more understandable to make a post going "woe is me, it's so hard being a female vtuber openly in love." I have no sympathy for her situation, does it suck that some people left? Maybe, but honestly you don't want those people anyway if only less than 1% left. FFS that is practically just a round of follow-bot purge numbers lol.

[@tumamaencosplay]

@@ShiningDarknes Keep in mind, the 40 people leaving because of her BF reveal were most likely not only regular viewers, but as people parasocial enough to leave because of that, were also most likely big spenders. She didn't just lose 40 viewers, she probably lost like 60% of all donations.

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

@@ShiningDarknes Okay but, what does that have to do with what OP said tho? OP said viewers can drop out for any reason, which is true. Did he insinuate it was a big % of her audience? And it sucked enough for her to sad post about it, soo.

[@ShiningDarknes]

@@gr33dl0cknein3 ok

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@gr33dl0cknein3 I don't think dude was arguing with OP, just wanted to leave his own take too lol

[@RazielTheUnborn]

Amouranth stated her husband forced her to do OnlyFans. Said she never liked doing it. Got sympathy, viewership increase. She was, and is still doing OnlyFans despite the husband no longer being in the picture.

[@IFlairI]

Yeah she just lied about that, she said she didn't want to be naked all the time, and a month later she started again with her onlyfans content and her "towelfights" on twitch, sadly many believed her.

[@Xparkman30]

I don't believe any sad story of any of those female streamers, it's all bullshit made up to sell a product.

[@revolvingworld2676]

@@IFlairI She is smart, since she was seen as a victim and “forced” to do OF she has the sympathy points from white knights, and isn’t seen as a wh-re for Simps. And since she no longer is in a relationship she’s back on the market for simps. While also attracting sympathetic views from other women who were also abused. And more sympathy donos and can claim she is still doing OF for some psychological BS reasons and still getting thirst simps and OF money.

[@liarwithagun]

@@revolvingworld2676 It also provides "evidence" against her husband in divorce court and potentially lets her keep more of the millions a year she was making. The whole thing was just a show so she could keep more of her fortune, and she didn't give a crap about unjustly tar and feathering her husband to do it either. Not that I respect the guy who stayed married to an woman who started doing 0nlyF4ns.

[@GeorgeMonet]

@@liarwithagun It does not provide evidence in divorce court. That shit would be thrown out instantly as hearsay by any competent lawyer. It would be nothing more than "he said she said" unless one side is doing something like using the videos to show that Amouranth had bruises in the videos or didn't have bruises in the videos to prove that she was being abused/was not being abused.

[@thatotherguy8138]

No one wants to MARRY the Town Bicycle. People are quite willing to RIDE the Town Bicycle.

[@FluffehStuff274]

5:50 Fun fact: the term incel was invented by a woman. It originally was gender neutral and meant to be positive. She operated a mailing list to distribute writing on the collective experience of people who felt they were getting left out of relationships and how they could deal with it in supportive ways. It then got co-opted and taken over by the internet to be a male term. So Alana is correct to not use femcel as a term. It would also be redundant.

[@johnjonson6377]

I mean let's be honest even if the term was intended as gender neutral the "involuntary" part is most applicable to men so it's no wonder it got slapped on one of the genders.

[@tonyb7615]

​@@johnjonson6377yeah but only because most women only even talk to a small percentage of men. Femcel can exist as the inverse since the lexicon has changed to it being a male attribute. And both are misused more than ever because many just opt out, especially men now. That makes it voluntary, not involuntary. Like me, I'm attractive and can get chicks. I just don't wanna bother %99 of the time anymore.

[@woodenmetal2977]

The term incel doesn't even make sense when you think about it. The "cel" part is short for celibate, which is a voluntary choice. That being said, an "involuntary celibate" is contradictory. A person cannot be forced to make a voluntary choice - it wouldn't be voluntary anymore.

[@cernunnos8344]

It also became a slur and used to cut down any man with genuine criticism of feminism because a few r**ards did horrible things, while the term is still claimed by legit men advocacy groups which discusses men's rights and men getting abused by women

[@inciacci549]

It just turned into a buzzword for people who dare say "women bad." People would call a man with wife and kids an incel.

[@ryanwood6754]

Im 50/50 on these cases. Its sad that there are people who will ditch a youtuber or streamer just because they have boyfriends or girlfriends. But at the same time there are many streamers and youtubers who try to lure single people in and do the whole parasocial relationship bullshit for money and then cry when people leave once you reveal the truth

[@johnjonson6377]

I mean it depends how you build you community, they type of content that you make and so on. For girls it's even harder to avoid this and when you add vtubing into the mix it becomes impossible. From there on you just adjust expectations and hope for the best.

[@luddite31]

i never heard of this particular vtuber and know nothing about her but- her design really looks like a character from a romance manga. that seems misleading.

[@ANPC-pi9vu]

I feel sorry for the ones who just were not self aware about the brand they built for themselves and what kind of audience they attracted. Sometimes people who don't do GF/BF experience content still just appeal to lonely people who become obsessed and kind of push the content creator into filling that role in small ways, being needy for emotional validation in donos and such. A person who is just too nice and accepting can accidentally end up with unicorns trampling their personal boundaries and then turning on them viciously the moment the fantasy is disrupted in any way.

[@DanielRoloff]

i know what you mean, i stopped watching a few streamers because they went too far into the whole fanservice & "romantic partner asmr" direction. i followed them because they appeared in collabs with other streamers i watched, and i liked the synergy, but once i catched their own streams, i realized it's not the kind of content i'm interested in

[@RavenL1337]

@@johnjonson6377bro really think being an female vtuber actually makes it IMPOSSIBLE to have relationships? BRO stop using big word were you know your exaggerating and pulling shot out of your arse! the English side of vtubing unless you build your community around the GFE shit or lewd content, the audience will have an healthy number of well adjusted people! only if you do build your community that way you will loos followers!

[@generalseal6948]

remember every girl on the internet is actually a guy and every attractive girl already has a boyfriend you just dont know about him

[@johnjonson6377]

"He is NTRed he just doesn't know it yet"

[@ScottLovenberg]

And every child is an FBI agent.

[@Александр911-х6л]

Lmao. This second rule work IRL too😂

[@gampie13]

This simping effect is why we originally had the "there are no girls on the internet" rule. It was about making the merit off your argument be what matters, and not who

[@stevelucky7579]

Men: Boy the possibility of a relationship with this woman is INCREDIBLY low, but it’s still a possibility. Female Vtuber: this is my boyfriend! Men: The male code has spoken. I am sorry little one, BEGONE woman!

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Its so incredibly low I just treat it as zero so dont mind if she has a life.

[@R3x_Ashes]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714seriously. Youd probably have better luck winning the lottery

[@RusticRonnie]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714it basically is. unless you go to conventions then its like 1%.

[@kammerj4ger348]

As some ppl here in the comments have mentioned, the whole Rushia thing was mostly about her Sick offline behavior. I remember a that Rev made one or two Videos about it. And about KZbinr's in General, i dont care about their Relationships. I find it rather rather nice if they have healthy relationships. On the other hand, sometimes im kinda courious who wanna live with someone who streams from inside a Petri dish 😂

[@BitterSweetChili]

the most normal thought-train. vtubers? youtubers? tvpeople? its how you build the relationship with your audience.

[@TurtleChad1]

What to avoid if you're a female vtuber Don't show your face Don't show your relationship

[@youtubeenjoyer1743]

pipkin pippa is breedable regardless

[@christianalanwilson434]

*What to avoid if you're a female

[@bjornsteelside]

@@youtubeenjoyer1743 Okay but she has different branding. She could take no showers and be obese and still retain a decent amount of her audience

[@CyanDumBell_MC]

That applies to most female streamers too tho

[@1234_Flux]

Kson shows her face though

[@lilia-ai]

the entertainment industry is, after all, still a business, it's a transaction. and if the customer is not satisfied, they will leave. so it all depend on the customer base that you build. if the customer is vegan, they will revolt when served meat instead. i know a japanese vtuber, that is being extremely open about being a mom, she even say in the intro that she live stream after putting her child to sleep, and everyone is fine with that.

[@trawll8659]

I know of another English vtuber (forgot the name) that is open about it as well, it all comes down to the expectations you set as an entertainer in the end. I think some of the indie vtubers just don't really see streaming as a business as much as a hobby and that what they portray will have an effect on the type of audience/customers they attract.

[@bigblockman11]

sounds interesting what's her name?

[@izuko5857]

@@bigblockman11 They might be talking about Otsuka Ray

[@lilia-ai]

@@bigblockman11 the vtuber name is Mayura Kirisaki, she is a mom, with husband and kid. if you scroll down on her video section to 4 years ago, you will find her intro in english.

[@Feanor1988bis]

On the EN side it reminds me of Vexoria.

[@TouhouNazrin]

" omg guys we need to normalize X thing ! " This never turns out well

[@VVabsa]

I mean, it's all parasocial. Dudes just need to adjust their expectations as it's just a 3d anime model on a screen entertaining you. Then again, it's with most women within that industry, even modelling. It was a thing back then that models were asked to be more flirty *on contract* to keep guys hanging around. That's simply how men work.

[@johnjonson6377]

​@@VVabsaBruh if they were that logical they wouldn't even bother watching them and the industry wouldn't be as big as it is. You need socially awkward dudes with obsessive tendencies for this whole thing to work. Even Alana isn't free of that, her situation is just slightly different but not too much.

[@VVabsa]

@@johnjonson6377 Not even that. Just dudes is enough. Any straight guy wants attention from and spend time with (what they percieve as) attractive women. The anime girl factor is just another market. Having awkward guys on it is just a bonus since they tend to be more dedicated.

[@clayandros2038]

​@@VVabsa how about we stop woth the generalizations yea? There's a whole side to this situation with women that is the exact same

[@VVabsa]

@@clayandros2038 You can't involve everyone if you want to talk about a certain demographic of society. Certainly not is said demographic is often scorned more for giving too much or too little attention to women. Blatantly "stopping" that discussion wouldn't help, it only makes it taboo.

[@GiblixStudio]

men: "oh you're in a relationship. yeah I'll just leave you alone. bye" women: "oh you're in a relationship? I'll take that as a challenge to ruin your relationship, because I think I'm better than your current GF. you should be with me instead of her" but yeah it is the men that are the "creeps" that's just how life is. Not surprised many guys will unfollow and stop subbing to a girl that says she's in a relationship. Especially when you factor in the sickening "shipping/parasocial" culture that is going on. Now also factor in that increasingly amount of people have trouble separating fiction and reality.... If Femcels don't exist. Then Incels don't exist either.

[@zukabazuka]

dude those exist on both sides. Its not exclusive for women to go after men who has a girlfriend.

[@RaifSeverence]

​@zukabazuka it's a lot more common for women to be attracted to men who are in a relationship, though. Op is correct when he says men are gonna leave women in relationships alone.

[@Jugement]

You do realize that InCel means involontary celibate right ? What she meant by there are no femcels is that a woman can always find a partner. And while not fully accurate, it's certainly much, much, more than it is for men, simply by virtue of the difference in attraction levels between both

[@EpicBattleToaster]

I hate how no one gave the context that the reason why Rushia was fired wasn't because she's married .it sure does sound like it when it was revealed,but the real reason is so much worse.

[@TMG55JJS]

The biggest problem is vtubers that intentionally do and say lewd things 24/7. They inherently build a fan base that has many parasocial fans that expect too much.

[@Darkcelestrian]

No. It's the fact of viewers wanting to be in a relationship with the vtuber/streamer/idol/ect. They could be the most wholesome type of internet personality and viewers feelings wouldn't change. Parasocialism is the main thing that fuels this type of status, same with celebrities, and/or those that are favored by many.

[@Neonmonkey42]

​@@Darkcelestrian The girls leaning into the parasociality know damn well what they are doing. It's a business strategy and the point is fame and money. Then when it backfires, and it always will, they cry about how the evil gooners are trying to control their life. You play with fire, you get burned. Stop acting like these women aren't adults.

[@rebeltheharem7028]

@@Darkcelestrian I disagree with this. The majority of them see them similar to celebrities or stars. The "fandom" is the same way. Most of them don't care that celebrities are already married, they still like them regardless. It's the streamer that fosters such an extreme parasocial fanbase. It always has been, because they can ALWAYS cull the stalker unicorns. If they don't, then you can't blame those fans for ditching the streamer. If a streamer does nothing but relationship ASMR or other cringe stuff like that, then they are fostering that fandom. For everyone else, its always been a small part of the fandom, not much different from the general populace. The problem with idols (in Asia), is that they DO sell themselves with the GFE experience, even if they don't explicitly say it (because its more money). But they don't have to do that, as long as they are fine with making less money. It's always the streamer's choice in what kind of fanbase they cultivate.

[@jaidora]

I disagree, a lot of times these out of context sayings feel like a slip of the tongue or they're being extra friendly with other female companions for content. That's not to dismiss that they do intentionally egg on the innuendos but it becomes a double-edged sword for the type of audience they want to establish. If you're a lewdtuber then you can expect lewd things, if you're more into raunchy and mature content then that's expected, but you can't blame it entirely on the vtuber when its something that comes from either the game they're playing, the audience, or their syntax.

[@The_Queen_Chrysalis]

It's a LOT of them (really the kinda "mid level" vtubers, not too big, but not small either), like 95% or more of their "clips" and "moments" are all suggestive poses, phrasings, or stories involving something lewd, and when you call them out on it or someone comes in leaning into that lewd, they suddenly get all defensive about it and just farm those donations and clicks, knowing EXACTLY what they are doing with their reactions.

[@RyuSaarva]

Lewd vtuber surprised that her audience does not like it that she has a boyfriend..

[@BitterSweetChili]

... but had less backlash than others of her kind. yet.

[@soopy4021]

😮😮😮😮😮😮😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😲😲😲😨😨😨😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

[@ian251]

I think it's crazy that this is news for some people. A significant number of guys don't get any attention after their teens if even they got some after 12, much less romantic interactions; so they desperately look for molecules of crumbs of attention from whomever will give it to them, and the tiniest chance of having a relationship with those people is what keeps them alive. So yes, this will happen every time.

[@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ь]

Adding to that female streamers that playing around with flirting and erotic stuff, fully expecting normal functional healthy adult on the other end - when in reality, there some tormented, starving hollow entity

[@luminous3558]

Its kinda why Guys and Girls will never see eye to eye because their experience is just so utterly different. One is drowning while the other is dying of thirst.

[@iamnotyu5548]

sad reality.

[@Ghost-yd7ep]

BRUTAL, but TRUE..

[@nappa1413]

no it doesnt happen every time, not everyone is delusional, especially when it comes to internet imaginary anime girls

[@I_am_ENSanity]

When you make your money off of para-social relationships, you have to hide your irl relationship.

[@notinusesoon4975]

most ppl dislike nyanner because she is a shytty person not because she has a bf

[@Jugement]

The fact of the matter is that to dis'like' her you have to be emotionally invested to begin with. I'd say it's a mix of both

[@xXxRaVeNcRoFt_LuVrr69]

My issue with this from the streamers side is it smacks of feeling entitled to viewers. This shit is extremely competitive and any given reason a viewer watches you is irrelevant to your bottom line. You as a content creator are more than welcome to publicize your relationship status. The only thing stopping you is that you want those viewers. If you really think "parasocial" viewers are bad, then you should be glad that you've filtered those viewers out.

[@BitterSweetChili]

im with you. better push those people out, safe everyone from a toxic "friendzone"/parasocial relationship.

[@ShiningDarknes]

This particular one is giving off very entitled vibes. She lost less than 1% of her followers. Not even subscribers, followers. Subscribers I may understand, those hurt financially and 40 subs is not nothing, that is a bit less than a day's work for me at my 9-5 (assuming twitch, that is roughly $100 a month to the streamer) but followers don't actually give you anything other than a base to maybe see that you are streaming. 40 active viewers? That would be a problem. That is a lot of concurrent viewers for a 7k channel. She is literally better off without those 40 people, the fact she didn't lose more means she has a solid foundation, heck 40 followers is practically "they were just doing routine purging of follow-bots" territory.

[@TwojaStaraIFrytki]

Asmon looks like he's talking to Alana, when he looks to his left

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Are we sure he's not?

[@denkerbosu3551]

I bet Alana was happy with the positioning.

[@garudanathanael5257]

​@@denkerbosu3551😏😏😏

[@irisheartt]

I don't think the majority of single men watching vtubers or female streamers actually believe they have a shot, at least not consciously. I think there is some level of romantic attraction, and when the streamer reveals that they are taken that attraction just dies. It's just male psychology.

[@oweneldridge8813]

It's definitely a soft role play fantasy more closely related to video game roleplay where it's a destressor than delusion.

[@johnjonson6377]

I am of the same mind it's not even the romantic aspect as much as the ambiguity and the connection people make in their heads.

[@kos2919]

Yep, even Markiplier lose some the moment he told people about her gf. The one who transitioned well without losing viewers was Pewdiepie. Maybe because he introduced her when he's still smaller.

[@holdingpattern245]

I think it's weird that this is not the standard assumption, that people jump straight to total contempt.

[@DatAsianGuy]

@@kos2919 To be 100% fair, I don't even remember a time where pewds wasn't with Marzia. And I watched him on and off since I was a 11 year olds or so.

[@friendlyhobo6483]

Meanwhile you have Cottontail giving updates the last time she has done it.

[@SC-zq6cu]

because her viewers are there to hear exactly those things

[@Hammybread]

Its more like when you put yourself out there as "I'm your mommy/girlfriend anime waifu, love me, watch me." Then go "I have enough following now, no actually i'm a real person guys please understand" Surprised you sold the "I'm your mommy/gf" bit but pedaled back on it? yeah expect to lose viewers and followers from these kinds of men.

[@Goblacado]

So someone with just under 7k followers loses less than half a hundred and…that’s an issue? Maybe if it was 4000 there might be an argument to be had, but 40? Deal and move on or keep seething, the choice is theirs

[@SkinUpMonkey]

Them 40 most likely actually watched them which is a bigger deal since they not rolling in viewers.

[@JanitorScruffy]

@@Goblacado I have like 700 hundred telegram followers on a meme channel the other admin posted a feet meme and we lost 13 followers. Still haven't forgiven him for denying us that 700th follower.

[@shibomi1]

I'd be interested in knowing how bad it affected their concurrent veiwer count and donation earnings

[@alexbowman4392]

40 casual viewers wouldn't matter, 40 active donators would be noticed very quickly.

[@ShiningDarknes]

@@alexbowman4392 Yeah but she said followers. People lose followers all the time. 40 viewers that don't donate would be a larger blow than 40 followers that probably don't show up often anyway. 40 viewers is nothing to sneeze at for someone with only 7k followers that is well above average for the sub-10k follower streamers. But not even 1% of followers leaving is a very negligible impact, if anything she will be better off with those 40 idiots gone. The fact it wasn't 400 or more is fantastic news, it shows she actually has a very strong following of people that like her for her, not the fake fantasy of "possessing her."

[@KiraSlith]

"How many are in secret relationships" I would bet easily half or more.

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

Most of then are, they are just intelligent enough to hide it.

[@ninjatango]

@@gr33dl0cknein3 Nope and nope.

[@I_saw_that956]

It’s just the cost of the business, when you make yourself the product (ie streamer vtuber whatever pseudo relationship job) some people will see you as that, a product. Meant to be a certain way

[@deathnz1]

Its because you advertise yourself one way to a certain type of viewer, It helps you grow but you then break that and those people watching for that reason will leave. I think if you have a good personality and people watch you less for that reason, competitive gaming or something and you don't shove the relationship in peoples faces then you wouldn't lose as much. With Rushia she advertised like girlfriend as a vtuber and even had wedding ring merch. Also lost more because she was abusing the guy.

[@grymns]

The biggest vtuber in twith is Ironmouse, who physically can't have a relationship, so yeah, it all comes down to what kind of people you've gathered

[@jt_manic]

same thing happens to streamers that do “giveaways” they get followers for the giveaways, stop doing them and surprise surprise those followers leave.

[@lexfrost4394]

These bother me because it feels like begging for attention. I've seen other VTuber couples embrace it and not be ashamed of it. Even the fan replies are different energy. "Poor baby..." vs "LETS GOOOOOOO!"

[@beastofthemount414]

I remember on one of Vexorias posts about a "date" with chat, and just about every comment on it was not talking to a married woman as Zolon is the ultimate bro its also in the bro code.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@beastofthemount414 based chat, Zolon should be thankful of having such bros.

[@SinRealm]

I managed a VTuber before. And part of marketing plan was never associate with other men. Because female VTubers are usually followed by lonely men. So as he said, "know your audience"

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

Correct.

[@youngimmortal4719]

Another aspect of it is the loneliness, people who don't know how to get a significant other or who lack the confidence. They take comfort in someone of the opposite sex (who they like, in whatever fashion) also not having a significant other, even if they don't realistically think they have a shot.

[@Jes9119]

At the same time, how are they supposed to test their shot if parasocialism is as frowned upon as it is? What if the fan/follower shoots his shot in a supa, reply or whatever to a streamer whos personality he genuinely enjoys and finds attractive(even without knowing what she looks like), gets the best possible result on the first or after many attempts and then nothing else? All that rizz is wasted and the potential relationship connection is lost. Especially if the streamer has either joked or admitted to her loneliness and attempts at finding a relationship? People are far more willing now to move around the world for someone else just for a chance at happiness. After all, irl celebrities get married and date non celebs. How is a streamer dating a fan/follower any different?

[@chabꟊ]

@@Jes9119brother, there is no avenue to set yourself apart from anyone else in this situation, that’s the difference. Celebs meet potential dates at the gym, famous bars, and parties. This is a 0% chance situation. You can easily meet some chick in an mmo if you wanna take that route.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

Skill_Issue.exe

[@Jes9119]

@@chabꟊ That's all fair, well and good 'n all but at the same time a large majority of vtubers or streamers are introverts at the end of the day. They may put on the show they're not when doing collabs, that still doesn't change anything at the end of the day. Even with that bit "meet some chick in an mmo" yeah, that's great you share one interest but that could be the only side of her you see unless you can coax her out of that, which you may not be able to if that's her comfort zone or sole interest. That brings up what I was saying about shooting your shot and getting a positive result that goes nowhere because a lot the time, streamers don't use their streamer socials as their personal ones, they may in dm's but we will never know. So to say there is no avenue to set yourself apart or there is zero chance is a bit pessimistic because to even get the positive reaction means you have something about you that sets you apart from the rest. You never know until you try. Then there is the situation where the streamer could be dating a fan and we would never know because they could be keeping it to themselves while maintaining the same kind of fan/streamer relationship to save face with the rest of the audience. All I was originally talking about was something I've noticed and had been on my mind because it made me genuinely curious about it. Since without getting a positive response then getting the dm with their personal details, how would that actually pan out for both parties when you take into consideration both sides amount of loneliness and the very negative response any community gives to any amount of parasocial behavior.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@chabꟊ wasn't there a japanese idol that married a super fan or smth? Dem japs do they know their business lol

[@SoccYT]

In regards to vtubers having partners, they are deserving of the ability to date and love who they want. I'm fine with that, what I don't wanna deal with is someone flexing their relationship to me. It would be the same irl for friends i know. Also another point I wanna make is if you make your brand as a vtuber catered to a specific audience type and then you change that of course people are gonna dip. This isnt exclusive to vtubers period, just look at the horrendous bud light situation. I personally enjoy vtubers not really as sexual objects but moreso because I enjoy the fact that alot of them enjoy the shit I do or can be relatable in the things they talk about. In fact I'm one of the very few that finds it very hard to wanna buy vtuber merch because alot of them are super sexualized which is a huge turnoff for me.

[@KiraSlith]

"Where the mods push away new people" Asmon calling out Kirsche's Nym like that is WILD.

[@tumamaencosplay]

Oh I know how that feels, the mod of my Kamioshi banned me from both chat and discord right after she learned a song only I ever requested and sang it on stream. And that was after being a regular for a whole year.

[@denkerbosu3551]

What did this Nym do?

[@dullahandan4067]

​@denkerbosu3551 I am new to kirsche but I assume Nym is her husband. Only a guess based off what little I have seen

[@KiraSlith]

@@denkerbosu3551 Tends to throw around channer insults at fresh viewers, quick to throw the hammer, runs a social clique across both the Discord and Twitch (KZbin is safe though, for now).

[@CrextComicConsent]

Vtubers also need to remember that they're not who they act out on the screen, and communicate that in a good manner. The actor can be in a relationship, but the vtube character can still be single.

[@inertjohnjunk]

For me personally, and I am risking being mocked for this, but hear me out: I absolutely despise when female vtubers just absolutely ambush you with a boyfriend cameo, but I have absolutely NO interest in the vtuber herself romantically, I have no illusions that I would even have a chance. It's more that I am comforted by the thought that lovable, funny, cute, SINGLE, girls exist. I stopped watching Nyanners because the way I learned she was in a relationship was because her bf just came in out of nowhere, said "hi" and Nyanners responded with "hey babe", and it was such a whiplash when I had gotten used to her being like "Hey I'm like you guys, single and lonely!"... Is that pathetic? I won't say it isn't, but claiming that only creepy parasocial freaks will be filtered by relationship announcements is seriously copium.

[@HamHamHampster]

Yeah, you can't sell the relatable loner experience, then turn around and reveal you are in a loving relationship all along.

[@Shullz-yj1qn]

"Damn, since im started as a loner girl , and some of my viewers wont like me to have a boyfriend, i probably will prioritise their feelings over my own fucking life and never ever will date anyone" .

[@inertjohnjunk]

@@Shullz-yj1qn Damn, that's a cool strawman you got there. You sure beat the shit out of it too.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@Shullz-yj1qn or maybe keep that to yourself, and never bring up you bring single again. But that would require bare-bones work, and god forbid your expect a f-streamer to do just that lmao

[@OzixiThrill]

@@Shullz-yj1qn If you're selling a product (the relatable loner girl experience in this instance) and then you stop selling that, don't be baffled when your former buyers stop coming around. And the worst part about your "counter" here? It doesn't take much effort to keep any personal life details a secret. One can absolutely be in a relationship and not tell anyone for years.

[@piedra7040]

The "Can we normalize vtubers with boyfriends" is always funny because no matter how you try to normalize it, it's only getting worse, i'm in the vtuber community since the begining and 7 years ago people used to "forgive" this more than now, but now there is more unicorns than ever. Because i'm in the community for soo long i never cared about that but if you want to be a vtuber/streamer some day, the best thing you can do is say you have a boyfriend since day 1 or never ever say anything about relationships, if you don't then good luck trying to build a new community after they all left, you can't change the system, just adapt to it.

[@ShiningDarknes]

Yup, far better to hitch your wagon to the unicorn that will shell out regardless of your relationship status than one that is only giving you money because of a delusion.

[@morewi]

definitely agree. I also don't care if they aren't doing GFE content. I'm not into it myself but no one wants to be scammed.

[@HamHamHampster]

End of the day, unicorns are the ones donating. The vtuber business model is unsustainable with casual viewers alone.

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

@@HamHamHampster This, pretty much. The bulk of a vtuber's income is parasocial whales or just very dedicated fans. You don't get that level of support without intentionally tugging at people's heartstrings. Play the game, but don't complain.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@gr33dl0cknein3 nah, they want that cake and eat it, don't you know?

[@matejbosela9093]

Witcher 3 background music, spicy fox version, Asmongold react.... we are eating good, boys!

[@mlodyowiec5683]

The best kind of music, gwent music

[@darksagus]

I've seen the hostile mod thing many times. it happens in girl streamers with less than 100 viewers usually, where 90% of the chat is mods talking

[@tumamaencosplay]

Happens to mid-sized vtubers too. My Kamioshi pulls 300-900 per stream, and yet, on one Karaoke night she chose to sing a song only I had ever requested (aka, she prob simply wanted to show some appreciation back from my year of faithful watching), and then I was banned from both the chat and the discord channel.

[@generalgarchomp333]

The one dude basically asking Filian out in donos and getting sniped for it by the mods was wild.

[@Ayuima69]

I see nothing wrong with this. 40 people left of their own accord and didnt make any drama. Shes only looking at it as a bad thing and not seeing how bad it could have been.

[@MarshPlaza]

This is exactly the main premise of ep 1 of Oshi no Ko. If people saw that and still were surprised about this, then... wow!

[@ghostlyrazgriz5228]

If a vtuber or streamer has a boyfriend or girlfriend. They need to have a certain vibe. The ones that get away with it are like one of the bros. Someone you see as a friend and not a lover.

[@Александр911-х6л]

Yup.

[@Imdedmate]

6 in the morning and a new alana video dropped, life is good.

[@Mattadork]

9pm for me

[@Bigpest1090]

11 at night for me

[@pelonmorales4031]

@@Mattadorksame right here.

[@Moff00388]

1 at night for me

[@pieandchickeneater]

My rule of thumb for guys is if a women has such good social skills to build and maintain a large audience online for a few years she is either: In a relationship or a lesbian (not mutually exclusive).

[@Feanor1988bis]

Or Numi XD

[@EriaAri]

​@@Feanor1988bis Numi? Good Social Skills?

[@solidspikes123]

Yeah I think that is true for vtubers, but not all KZbinrs. I watch a lot of vids in the business and finance niche and they get their audience by providing valuable information. Streamers and KZbinrs in the entertainment niche though I would say that is true.

[@Jose_Doe]

​@@Feanor1988biscope

[@Jugement]

​​@@EriaAriIf you think it doesn't take social skill to build a following of 300k+ when your content is basically your personality, you're onto mad copium. The fact of the matter is that she successfully made you and a sizeable part of her audience fully bite into her persona, and that alone takes quite a lot of social skill As most popular streamers, she has more charisma and social intelligence than the vast majority of people. One really has to be deep in cognitive dissonance to give into the tale of the shy gamer girl only opening up to her 20k concomitant viewers

[@cooltjh4]

most men would ride the town bicycle, not many would MARRY the town bicycle.

[@denkerbosu3551]

The town bycicle would hate anyone that wants to marry it, too.

[@vergilsleftbuttcheek4098]

Why would you marry a bicycle? It's only got two wheels. Marry a car, it has four wheels and a joystick.

[@SmuggyOcelot]

I think it really depends. Honestly I don’t care if a vtuber is in a relationship, or have children, as long as it doesn’t affect them negatively (like abuse or extreme stress) or how entertaining they are-I’m not out here looking for a parasocial gf situation, I’m looking for someone fun/relaxing to listen to and watch Vexoria comes to mind. Though she can be lewd, she’s been married a long time and her community actually respects that-though there have been a couple times where her community has jokingly said, “nah I don’t want to intrude on the 14 year relationship” and she’s responded with, “JUST ENJOY IT DAMN IT” Sansin has a child that participates occasionally, but it’s part of her streaming image. Chat immediately calms down when her daughter invades her mom’s stream-it’s very cute, and adds to Sans streams

[@why7654]

I still remember her old intro

[@Rogeryoo]

It's now her outro, só not much to remember just yet.

[@Jester8492]

​@@Rogeryoo I miss her old outro

[@en-men-lu-ana6870]

@@Jester8492 You miss the piss, do ya?

[@SuperTailsMiles]

​@@en-men-lu-ana6870 he just misses

[@MossyCloomp]

Don't worry, most vtubers are too stinky to date, but they're hella entertaining. Keep doing your thing Alana. 👍🏻

[@arizona_anime_fan]

i think it comes down to expectations. if you create a community as a streamer with a parasocial gfe/bfe thing going the majority of your community will react really negatively to the news your an actual human being with a life. I like to point to Kobo in hololive. in her first stream she talked about wanting a boyfriend on every continent. in her second she mocked out chat for being single and virgins making it clear she had a sex life. this filtered her community hard, and she's still the most popular ID and one of the most popular hololive girls around. It's about the expectations set by the streamer. I think the worst thing a streamer can do is to piss off everyone. if you have a life let people know you have a life. if you want to be a gfe/bfe then you absolutely cannot let chat know you have a life. and if at some point you change your mind and want to cross over, you're going to alienate your fanbase. Koronii wasn't wrong to want to collab with men. what she did that hurt her was collab with men, get some kickback and then chicken out and pretend it never happened. this pissed off the gfe fans AND pissed off everyone who things unicorns are dumb. it was like playing in the middle of the road. do i think any of this is fair to the streamer? nope. but that's just how fans work. it's sad but it is what it is. who you are or perceived to be as a streamer, sort of creates your audience by itself.

[@trawll8659]

Who you are perceived to be is for the most part a result of what you put out into the ether. I would recommend any streamers that are in relationships to make it known when they start to filter out people that might think otherwise.

[@Feanor1988bis]

Depending on how the mocking was, I might have left too despite not caring at all whether a streamer is a virgin or not. Obviously it turned out well for her, so I can't fault her for it, but things can be said without being an ass about them. More to the point, this is very much a case of reaping what you sowed: build your boundaries early, set your rules, and your community will be shaped by those.

[@decwow]

I cannot see how it isn't fair to the streamer at all. This is the natural consequence of these choices.

[@BouncingTribbles]

This is just how relationships work, most people want to know what to expect when interacting with other people.

[@tumamaencosplay]

While I absolutely agree on setting the expectations early on, I do feel that actually mocking (aka, not just a joke) your audience is in bad taste. There are several vtubers I only casually watched the clips of, that I got completely turned off from and never watched clips of again, simply because of how they treated their audience at one point. It's being ungrateful of the very privileged lifestyle they get to enjoy thanks to their fans' donations.

[@WhyName]

No need to normalize it, it is already completely normal. You just won't have the same demographic appeal. That's your problem.

[@pdpgb]

By "Japanese idol culture" he means the industry where there are idol agencies that these girls are signed to and in their contracts they're actually not allowed to have (public) relationships. It's not just potentially losing fans, it's actually against the contract. I assume Vtubers with agencies like Hololive have the same clause in their contract.

[@KDannXII]

I think it also depends on the audience you cultivate. If you do GFE or parasocial content, you would lose a lot of followers.

[@VictorFox250]

This

[@grymns]

I find it hard to view myself in any kind of relationship with any of the vtubers i watch, i mainly like vtubers because it's more pleasing to the eye for me

[@BitterSweetChili]

true, so true

[@smievil]

must be rough knowing partner is gonna stream all day though

[@trolleymouse]

7:52 - It's pretty easy to explain why guys shut off when they find out a woman's taken: they aren't looking for a fight. Like as much as the shitty meme of "When she's taken it's just 1v1" gets shared, guys don't actually want to fight over anything they don't have to, so they generally distance themselves from a taken woman unless they're too lost in their own fantasies. This is why so many women use "I have a boyfriend" instead of "no" when strange guys approach them; because the Do Not Compete clause is a real part of the bro code.

[@Kisanamoto]

all of them? 90%? Life doesn't stop, this is just a job, a job where Immersion is important.

[@fatalheart7382]

Actually, no. This is a good thing. They shouldn't be lusting after someone's wife. It's good they left if they can't handle themselves. :0

[@traductus3337]

... wait ... so those who leave are the normal ones then?! ... Oh god ... O_o

[@fatalheart7382]

@@traductus3337 It depends on why they are there. XD And it should be easier if you consider yourself a friend of the vtuber. :0 Sure, reality is disappointing, but that doesn't mean you should run away from every thing that's hard. :0

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@fatalheart7382 ...idk the way you said it sounds like the ones staying simply haven't given up. Btw what you're describing are "beta orbiters" the ones waiting for her to "break up so they have a chance"

[@fatalheart7382]

@@denkerbosu3551 Well, if you follow Biblical teaching, it doesn't matter if they break up. A woman is called an adulteress as long as her husband is alive if she marries another person. The only solution for them is to wait till her husband is dead to have a chance. XD

[@Jugement]

​@@traductus3337The self aware ones to be exact

[@EagleClipCh]

It's becoming more common that vtubers are using the term "friend a" or "roommate a" to skirt around the term boyfriend

[@laurencefraser]

Humm... given that the terms were being used for quite a while for, you know, actual friends and roommates (and then the term 'roommate' gets used for the human behind the avatar as well).

[@pedrofelipefreitas2666]

I don't think so, that'd be way too obvious, most of them just steer away from mentioning it.

[@iamnotyu5548]

extra points when they claim its a gay room mate. i watch 5 vtubers amd seen them colab with dozens of others. around a dozen of them have gay room mates....what are the odds?

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@iamnotyu5548 i mean, if they love in san francisco...

[@bogdananghel2498]

This sort of thing affects only the people who think they might have a chance with the virtual anime woman/man. But, from what I can see, they left quietly, no boycott or harassment in sight. What is even the problem?

[@brtt150]

It's not that they think they have a chance. It is that they are using the vtuber as a substitute for (in this case) female interaction/attention. They know it is an illusion deep down and they just don't want it broken because they rely on it as a coping mechanism for their struggles. Yes it is sad but also not unexpected either

[@denkerbosu3551]

No, that's not how it works at all. Have you never met someone that DOESN'T want to see other couples at all? When their friend gets a gf, he feels he's getting less time to them? There are plenty of reasonings for this, so that "only" is to gratuitous.

[@bogdananghel2498]

@@denkerbosu3551 Even if I am not exhaustive in my inclusion of whoever is affected, it doesn't change the fact that the vtuber was the one who made the connection between the drop in followers and the relationship announcement. In other words and without any other proof, correlation isn't causation.

[@crycrcfyhf8862]

Its weird because it’s over the internet and they never had a chance to begin with but if you apply their action of just no longer watching to real life it’s the normal response. If you’re talking to a woman and you find she married naturally you’d stop pursuing that person. And that’s the correct healthy response to have.

[@denkerbosu3551]

No no, you gotta throw resources at her because of her personality and talent!

[@zaytham760]

The parasocialism with Rushia was extra bad because there was a line of engagement rings in her merch to pretend being married to her. Normally, yes the crazed Idol fanboys would freak out about a relationship, but this... this is extra... Here's a Copy/Paste of some of the shop. 《Set Contents》 ◇3 Birthday Merch ・Bride Rushia Acrylic Stand ・Couples Mugs 　Art by 魚 　Size: Mug (Heart-shaped handle) ・Lifelong Engagement Ring 　Size: Ring/Approx. H21 mm x W19 mm (Equivalent to US size 4, UK size H½)

[@pensmith]

Meanwhile Nene: "Husband collection!" lmao You can do it. You just have to have fans that are okay with it.

[@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ь]

People cry when viewers leave because of such silly reason... If you normalize this: People would cry because how irrelevant they are and lacking viewers It's not like if you break parasocial relationship people would return to you, since they weren't for your content in the first place

[@denkerbosu3551]

F-streamer self-sabotaging? How could it be?!

[@Xx1devilgod1xX]

It's also a content issue, once you post about your relationship anyone who sees said post starts thinking that's the kind of stuff you'll be posting regularly and not everyone cares about other people's love life.

[@xepher3642]

Vexoria is a great example of it working out, she was pretty transparent about being married and having kids, then built her persona around it, now her husband and kids show up in streams, are part of the vtuber lore, and it's all super wholesome.

[@darthvengeful4948]

Whenever this subject comes up, I think of Vexoria the sun eater. And I absolutely love her as a fan. She's a vtuber, she's a mother, she's a wife in a happy and comfortable marriage. Her husband is her moderator and the only time when her kids appear on stream is when they're saying hello or good night to their mother, or participating in their dad's pranks She is a wonderful person and a great content creator.

[@Wandering_Joe]

The only vtubers who are "allowed" to do it are the ones who have made it clear from the start that they're in a relationship. Example: Vexoria

[@indiana47]

Others can and have entered relationships during their time as vtubers without backlash.

[@Wandering_Joe]

@@indiana47 Yeah but its a gamble. What works for one doesnt work for another. The safest bet is to already be in a relationship and make that clear.

[@indiana47]

@@Wandering_Joe I wouldn't call it a gamble and, like many other commentors on this video have said, more so dependent on the audience and relationship that is fostered such as the "GFE/BFE." I would say with vtubers, western audiences are also much more likely to accept it compared to Japanese ones given how vtubing is far more tied to idol culture in asia.

[@wpelfeta]

I don't think it's a gamble, but more that they cultivate an audience that doesn't care. It's probably harder, and you'll have less viewers than otherwise, but there's plenty of viewers out there and not all of them care about stuff like this.

[@thegreatgonzales6813]

Or Rosedoodle or even Nyanners to a degree.

[@gr33dl0cknein3]

9:00 That's the key takeaway. You 'can' disclose your relationships from the very beginning, but then they wouldn't be tapping into that parasocial crowd. And a lot of vtubers knowingly pander to that market, directly or indirectly, because they know it's good for business, but then cry "muh parasocials". They want to have the cake and eat it too.

[@ProfligateGhost]

The mods for v tubers are the ultimate gooners. They're just playing the long con.

[@bobjones2723]

I think another part of it is in their minds. It goes from hanging out with a cute girl they like to hanging out with somebody's girlfriend which in a normal case is culturally unacceptable or at least kind of frown upon

[@gundamzaku]

I do not know some else have this experience but when your single for some time and your friend are in relationship you become a third wheel of the group. I stop because of that. It is not fun to be third wheel when they are loved dumpty all the time. When vtuber have a boy/girlfriend that break the immersion.

[@FluffehStuff274]

I'd be surprised if most streamers/content creators didn't have a relationship behind the scenes or at least the successful people do. 1. Because this is just a normal thing and 2. They have a successful business. They have literally proven that they can decide what they want to do, apply themselves and succeed in a competitive field. Plenty of people find that attractive, hence the simps that don't want the illusion broken.

[@heymorado4372]

I agree 100%. Lotta weirdos out there. However, the absolute dream is to be happy finding some cute gamer girl that only you know who she looks like under the avatar. Most weirdos dont go so far as to act on it though

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

"People can't imagine themselves in a relationship with you if you have a boyfriend" Nah, the NTR fans would just imagine harder

[@ConsNSG]

Asking to normalize being a relationship just means they want to talk about it on stream, and unicorns aside, most men don't want to hear about a girl's love life. No doubt there are a lot of VTubers out there who are in a relationship but don't talk about it.

[@clkwr]

I mean yeah its a fantasy, same as rolling for waifus in a gacha game. (Almost) No one thinks its real, but if you shove the reality in their face it breaks thw fantasy.

[@blackbird42]

As much as parasocial aspect is an issue, I don't see a problem with stopping watching content that is not what you signed up for, whether its for a good or a bad reason.

[@yeetteey7445]

Their fault for not choosing the meta build

[@marcrose2651]

I had a friend who was so desperate for a physical connection with a woman that he’d engage with both Vtuber and OF girls in the hopes something would click, and I have a lady friend who’s obsessed with fictional characters like male Vtubers that she finds it impossible to converse with real men, she can only engage in prolonged conversations with us through our Xbox and Discord chat rooms and parties

[@tomgates2896]

Honestly I think I love streamers/youtubers even more when they have funny/weird couple moments. I remember when AliciaxLife, really drunk called her soon to be married husband midstream to ask him if she could peg him on new years eve or their honeymoon. x) that was good, funny and adorable content.

[@aoihitori]

Is it the point of vtubing was to separate your persona from your private life? You wanted to make content while being anonymous? I guess vtubers forget what vtubing was. Also to chatter, this is not love advice, this is business talk. Love had no place in Business. 😂

[@BoscoBop]

yes, and i prefer it that way. especially when the vtuber plays a character.

[@OldMarius-gn5kk]

if they start with publicly announcing as not single , this problem wont exist.

[@denkerbosu3551]

They can simply get one afterwards though. The solution is not bringing this up, or do so and not act surprised when fans lose interest lmao

[@furyforged2559]

I am in a relationship with the animated character not the actress playing the animated character.

[@Voltlighter]

7:45 There's a natural urge to throw investment at women who appear single and available. A fanbase that is by any vtubers metric "healthy" as in, people are showing up to every stream, signing up for membership, making creative projects, engaging on social media, and of course directly throwing money through superchats, merch, etc. is almost certainly parasocial. Ruin the immersion, the investment disappears. People become immediately less attached and they move on.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Regarding "men phase you out when they realise you are taken and they can't get with you": Yes. This is an unavoidable consequence of women expecting men to make the first move. You cannot reasonably expect men to put in the effort to get to know and platonically connect every time they shoot their shot even when the woman isn't available. How many taken, "independent" and lesbian friends do you expect the average guy to have, 400? Do you even want every man who approaches you to keep chatting when you're not available? No woman wants *_that_* much attention unless she's a psycho. If you do not lose interest in men because they are taken or gay, that just means you never approach them looking for romance, expecting them to come to you instead. If women don't like it, they can take initiative themselves, which would be the solution to like at least 40% of their dating/dealing-with-men problems, but 90% of the ones complaining would never do so.

[@justinwilliams7148]

Revealing a husband or bf will instantly tank a female vtuber's following. Vtubers and Idols flirting with other females must appeal to the lesbian fetish or not trigger the jealousy reaction in men that causes the mass unfollowing.

[@darklelouchg8505]

The answer is both. The jealousy/threat response isnt as honed versus female on female. I am reminded of when a friend was asked this question, and he responded woth 'Would you be upset with more chocolate on top of your chocolate?'

[@shibomi1]

Because most simps believe that they still have a chance even if the person is gay. They think it's just a phase and that one day, that woman will want to settle down with a man and start a family. And if they donate enough, it could be them one day.

[@tbk2010]

Honestly it depends on the archetype they present. If you sell yourself on sex appeal or innocence, being in a relationship just doesn’t feel right. But if you’re more a motherly type or comedic ppl probably don’t care as much.