The Twitch Th0t Epidemic & Its Consequences | Asmongold Reacts

[@IIIlllIIllIlIl]

There's a big difference between someone looking for it and someone stumbling upon it.

[@poorswiss]

This comment should get 10k likes.

[@DerusGrindz]

You don't even have to stumble. I firmly believe it's just part of being labeled as a male on the platform. Make 2 new accounts, one male one female, and the male will have that sexual content front of page without looking for it. Female accounts don't get that.

[@z33thr33]

Twitch was literally made as a place for kids. It's ridiculous moderation levels are justified as being to make it a safe place FOR KIDS,.

[@riverlady982]

I think "stumbling upon it" is still putting it to nicely. Even on this platform I constantly have the algorithm shoving videos into my feed and suggestions that I would never watch, have never watched and will never watch because it's often either inaccurate or it's obvious/soft propagandism. Even things like tainted 'documentaries' when it's actually just ancient aliens or some kind of DEI agenda/ideas sprinkled throughout or completely tainting some or all of the historical validity by often removing the topics or examples from some or all context.

[@padarousou]

It's almost like asmond said that exact same thing in the video

[@Sharky1147]

Basically what everyone else said: The site is 12+. Either stop pretending to care and allow sexual content and make the site 18+ so it follows the rules like any other website or ban it altogether. This really shouldn't even be an argument. Just don't try and act like the content these people are making isn't sexual in nature.

[@Xfushion2]

Asmon at one point said that they should ban the kids, but then kept saying weird things like _kids should not intrude on adult spaces, I'm not going to censor myself because children are present_ but said that the age restriction didn't matter. So which one is it? if you want an exclusive adult space you don't allow children period. If you don't then you don't get to complain when people point out that having +18 content is inappropriate since there minors present. Let's be real the reason why white-knighted for the Twitch cam girls is because his friends with several of them.

[@tomwells5220]

Literally, no matter what the rules are people will push them to the absolute limit, the only solution is a full ban or age restrict the site

[@ploed]

Facts.

[@axelbruv]

​@@rickmel3883Because if it has porn on the site, it's a porn site.

[@poutineausyropderable7108]

​@@rickmel3883 Kids warching and playing 18+ games is fine. The rating is prudish as fuck. And for a while, they were the only good and complex games thats more then just another platformer. But sexual content is everywhere. It does no damage in small amount. But it does pile up and fuck people after years. Mangle your brains. Overthrows it's chemistry. Rewrite neuron pathway. And some kids will watch it every day from 13 and up. That cause damages. But violent video games? It doesn't. It's much less potent dopamine.

[@shoeboots]

I'm usually a fan of Asmon's reasoning. This one's a bit of a miss. He's accusing her of making assumptions of how many kids are watching as the flaw in her argument while he's also making assumptions, which is all a distraction because Twitch lets 13 year olds join, which makes it fair to say it's for kids and not an adult space.

[@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar]

You clearly got triggered and didn't fully listen. He specifically said and I quote, "kids should not have access to social media, period, except for platforms that are curated specifically for kids, like KZbin kids". This is his what should be argument. The following is his be truthful about what actually is happening argument about who is watching, not about if they should be or not. His following argument that you reacted to, about the numbers of watchers, is a good argument about how the stats were shown of viewership, and is not a what should be argument. The stats should be arranged to 13-17 viewer amounts, then 18-24, and so on. If you don't do this, you mix adult viewer amounts with child viewer amounts, which is a different argument than what should be done.

[@shoeboots]

@@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar Oh look someone is calling me triggered while typing a paragraph comment in a 9 month old video...

[@Soulja4ChristWeAreAtWar]

@shoeboots that's not an argument. Lol

[@S8N6]

@@shoeboots very intelligent reply well done

[@Squiggy1223]

If you became smarter in those 9 months then congrats!

[@NiramBG]

Asmon thinking kids are a "very small portion" of twitch viewers is actually the funniest joke in this video.

[@NiramBG]

If twitch bans kids it dies. Simple as that. That's why they haven't done it. Twitch is still primarily a video game streaming platform and guess who consumes the most video game media.

[@AkaiKnight]

right, didn't twitch get popular in the first place from younger kids watching streamers play minecraft and stuff like that?

[@alexjustalexyt1144]

Exactly, as a kid I was subbed to 100s of youtubers and managed to watch every single one of those videos being uploaded, as an adult, I can't do that anymore. Why? kids just have A LOT of time, so even if kids make up a small portion of the audience they contribute way more than the other age ranges. There is also the fact that the data can be heavily skewed because surprise surprise, kids lie about their age to make accounts. You know how their is such a thing as a "loud minority"? Well with kids and teens I would call them the "active minority" because the matter of the fact is, they don't need to work, they aren't busy, they have time to fucking burn.

[@tommax1626]

Most of all it don´t matter, even if it is 1 kid on the whole platform you would still have to take measures.

[@outerlast]

what's funnier is, i don't think he cares how many portion it is. just say stuff to sound convincing

[@snapees]

“I think the amount of kids watching Twitch is a very small amount” Pretty much the most out-of-touch statement in the video. 💀

[@jessicad7680]

Trueeee. I work with kids as an allied health professional and almost 100% of the 8 year old kids i see, talk to me about the stuff they’ve seen on twitch.

[@JayRM714]

I have a 9 year old son and hes wanting to use twitch but I wont allow it. Asmon has always pretty much been an out of touch loser. I mean we're talking about someone that rarely leaves his house...

[@peartry]

Not to mention you don't need to have an account to watch streams on twitch

[@TheNumbers97]

@@jessicad7680yea then ur talking to like 2 kids and one of em watches twitch

[@jessicad7680]

@@TheNumbers97 Kids around this age start to be super influenced by their peers. So if one other child in class watches Twitch and seems more socially accepted, other kids will begin to pressure parents to let them watch it or will just go online to watch the streams. Its a relatively difficult battle for parents because you don’t want your kid to be a social outcast because everyone else is on social media, but you also don’t want them to be exposed to porn. Twitch as a platform 100% should stop turning a blind eye to this

[@melodawg2k211]

Asmongold when men expose themselves in public to young girls: 😱 Asmongold when women expose themselves on a website with tons of kids for money: 😊👍🏼

[@wafu6058]

"I think the number of kids on twitch is a pretty small amount" Asmon really changing what he believes every week to suit.

[@wessltov]

Redefining what it means to be a variety streamer

[@Gutzzzzz]

Idk the actual demographics but it has to be mostly kids who tf else has all that time to watch streamers😂

[@JayRM714]

Hes a freaking ghoul that never leaves his home. Dude doesn't have a clue what goes on with anything.

[@danawhiteboy]

@@JayRM714that’s what happens when u live on the internet 🧟

[@Marcus-ss4gn]

twitch is a pornsite that also happens to stream games sometimes. Keep the freaking kids out of it. Let adults have places for themselves. FFS the whole web doesn't have to accommodate kids. It will never do that anyway. Oh by the way I too once a child, and I remember specifically searching for porn on the internet when I was in middle school. Kids are not idiots, they are not stumbling on this content, they are looking for it. Welcome to reality, work on your parenting skills.

[@takumifujiwara9181]

Can you imagine the angry response from parents if it was half naked adult men streaming to under age girls.

[@mr.p4236]

we need a shameless hero to take one for the team

[@danielli3288]

isn't that just twilight

[@TheTriforcekeeper]

@@mr.p4236 We already had that hero. Tectone!

[@JustAnotherAlchemist]

You mean... literally any boy band?

[@summer7603]

@@mr.p4236 Its Asmons time to shine

[@neveq123]

*asmon seeing objective statistics* "I don't agree with this..."

[@MultiChrisjb]

You can manipulate stats to support pretty much any position. And the stats showed it wasn't mostly kids anyway..?? 42% of ages 16 to 24.. so if you assume it's evenly distributed over those ages, only 16% are under 18. A 'site for kids' doesn't have 84% adults on it.

[@DaedStarr]

Yeah, I usually agree with him on most things and he normally has a good objective view of things, but on this he has some weird blind spot bias about it.

[@DaedStarr]

@@MultiChrisjb It's not counting anyone under 16 though when the site allows anyone 12 or older to join. It could be 50% 12-16 and we wouldn't know.

[@MultiChrisjb]

@@DaedStarr true, but it makes it a nothing burger. It's not evidence for or against the idea that twitch is primarily for kids.

[@yt12356]

Asmon comparing the kids searches on pornhub to twitch is rotting my brain, everyone on pornhub are there to watch porn, there are kids on twich who are just there to watch video games who are being exposed to inappropriate content that they otherwise wouldn't have because of these women.

[@Sauceyourgranny]

Cuz he's friends with morgpie

[@orionp.9476]

uhmm it would be very disingenous to pretend kids would "otherwise" not be exposed to sexualized culture because of twitch, but I get your point.

[@stephenfrench5242]

Thank you. Well said.

[@dnw009]

@@orionp.9476 It's the argument of just because they can get it with a single google search on plenty of porn sites does not mean it should be allowed on Twitch. The exposure will likely happen otherwise but that doesn't make it permissable for it to happen on Twitch, X or other 13+ social media.

[@yourneighborhoodfriendlyme4242]

@@dnw009 So you just admitted what you want is functionally pointless and wont protect kids anymore than how things are already. Thx.

[@Dirtyro0ster]

Never been on twitch. Made an account, set age to 12. Went on just chatting. Multiple softcore porn streamers in the first 10 options. Twitch needs to be held accountable to advertising porn to children. It shouldn't even be visible.

[@jacobsnipes5164]

Yep and dudes like him will defend it because he thinks he has a chance

[@Mike_Dubayou]

why you make an account and set the age to 12

[@snipes503]

@@Mike_Dubayou Bruh. You can't be serious. They're just checking for themselves to see if it's true. You know the thing people should do more often on the internet.

[@snipes503]

Sometimes I feel as if a lot of websites these days have an algorithm that is too heavy handed. I clicked on one of the "boobie streamers" back in the day and they were recommending me random streamers like that for almost two weeks afterwards.

[@Chippaization]

Plus you HAVE to click on their stream to block them and need to deleted your browsers cache data for their channel to stop even showing up is BS. By then the algorithm has got ya

[@elenhin]

This was the most awkward cope I've ever witnessed. Shoe is completely correct.

[@lobot6894]

About most stuff in the video aside from her random, "muh capitalism bad" inserted rants. Idk how she manages to shoehorn in her awful economic policies into every critique she has. Aside from that, she's correct.

[@dapperdangerous-l9i]

@@lobot6894 shoehorn0nhead?😵‍💫

[@mockep]

Asmon, suggesting that adults in a space designed to incorporate teens should control their behaviour to ensure the safety of children is EXACTLY how society works. If you want to swear, drink, smoke, flirt, hook up, etc etc then you go to places DESIGNED to be 18+. Suggesting that Twitch is outside of these rules "because some people in the teen bracket might be 24" is so far from the point.

[@mockep]

After watching this video I can pretty much guarantee that this is your worst take of all time. Yikes.

[@nybsfp7486]

Yes, this is an absolutely terrible take. But Asmon went from an asshole awkward teen that played video games 24/7 to a rich and famous version. No real world experience or growth. Just luck. So he really doesn’t have any authority to speak on parenting or childcare

[@mockep]

Agreed, it just blows my mind that gambling = too far for kids but children being exposed to porn is totally fine for him.

[@Psycorde]

​@@mockep People really underestimate the damage that exposing children to sexualized content does. I've been on the receiving end of it and still dealing with consequences entering my 30s.

[@mockep]

@@JuT11 there are plenty of 18+ places on the internet? Are you thick? If twitch wishes to be advertised as a teenage friendly platform, then they have an obligation to ensure the content they provide is suitable for teenagers. Of course parents have a level of responsibility too. But if your teenager says “hey can I use *insert app with a 13+ rating* here”, there’s supposed to be a level of reassurance that the app is in fact suitable for people that age. It doesn’t help if the system is tailored towards introducing kids to inappropriate content from the go. Imagine if they started introducing pseudo strippers at ice skating arenas, jungle gyms, laser tag etc. without advertising that they were incorporating adult content. Does that sit right with you? If so then lol.

[@rustyshackleford3357]

Holy shit, just because something is possible, that doesn't mean you have to make it super-easy. There is nothing wrong with wanting as many walls as possible between sexualized content and kids and anyone taking the other side of that argument really needs to rethink what they think they're accomplishing by breaking those walls down.

[@fhyss6100]

How can someone be so wrong... when a movie is rated 13+ (or whatever the rating depending on the country), it means ALL the content included is viewable for a kid who is 13, because he should not see anything inappropriate. It absolutely does not mean a parent should go to the movie and cover his/her kid's eyes when something inappropriate comes up. That's basic logic. Same goes for social media... if it says 13+, dont allow 18+ content and blame parents. And what you're saying is in fact extremely dangerous, because you're forgetting that in any interaction between an adult and a kid, the ADULT is responsible for what he exposes to the kid, or what he says, etc. It doesn't matter what lack of parental monitoring got the kid there, no adult should do this knowing kids could be watching. I state for the record that i like pretty much all your other content, but on this one you made me vomit a little. Have a great day.

[@mufasafalldown8401]

Porn on a site for 13+ kids (also many younger) should absolutely be censored. Either make it an adult site or get that sh* outta there.

[@Sensei_gojo]

However much I agree with that premise, it’s incredibly difficult to draw the line on what is and isn’t porn. We (by that I mean the west) have a very different standard for “appropriate” clothing and what’s not sexual than compared to other non-western countries. A 13 yr old kid could very easily due it to an online clothing store or some Victoria’s Secret model or some shit, lol. Same thing with anime and how much nudity you can really show before it’s literally just hentai

[@Tyronom]

But why is violence accepted then? Why is violence ok, but nudity not?

[@elderwiz3165]

What site are you talking about? As far as I know that's illegal on a scale of life in jail to execution pretty much everywhere in the world.

[@kopicat2429]

Personally don't care myself. Don't use twitch, and wouldn't let my kid anywhere near it even before all this. Why the f. would I let my kid get semi attached to a complete stranger who's probably 18 or older and doing all kinds of shit I can't possibly keep track of? Any parent who lets anyone younger then 16 on there are nuts. The drama is fun to watch though.

[@ndt7379]

Asmon really argued that they should just ban all kids from Twitch instead of the female streamers who even he knows intentionally break the rules to make more money, and was entirely serious about this take. What else can you say?

[@sesanti]

A few years ago Twitch had mentioned 70% of their audience was 13-16 kids, so it's not a minority that's exposed to these child predator women.

[@padarousou]

No they didn't.

[@GhostlyNomad130]

WTF Are you talking about? Does your average Kid watch twitch like I used to Cartoon Network and Disney channel?! My assumption is NO

[@jalenwalker8790]

@@GhostlyNomad130um yes. Are you like 40 years old or something? Teenagers are absolutely on twitch as much as people use to watch Cartoon Network.

[@punchmexx]

Child predator women is a bit much. These women care about the money, and adults have the most money. I think the fact there are kids on twitch doesn't mean the viewers of those specific streams are majority kids. 16+ at worst which for extremely light "porn" (honestly you'd see 90% of this stuff if you went to a gym or popular beach) isn't terrible. (in europe were I live 16 is the age of consent, same in a lot of the US, 16 isn't a baby so again I hardly think these women are child predators, and I hardly think its "dangerous" for these guys to be watching that content.)

[@bullettime1116]

Calling them predators is a reach, they are money chasers is what they actually are

[@zephyas1699]

I mean what did people expect when he dates and donates to OF models on twitch, he has a conflict of interest, of course he’s not going to flat out agree that there is a problem and try to justify as much as he can get away with justifying.

[@yewknight]

When your stance is pro adults exposing themselves to minors in a space minors congregate, you are wrong. It is really that simple.

[@skivvytv6229]

You and shoe should collab and build some strawmans together

[@keyki9832]

@@skivvytv6229 how is that statement a strawman?

[@RayneClouds]

Exactly! Not sure why people can’t grasp that porn, on a site approved for 13 year old kids, isn’t okay.

[@rh7474]

@@skivvytv6229 It's not a strawman. Asmon believes it's ok because he doesn't think his content as an adult should be modified to with children in mind even though he shares the platform with them. It's the wrong opinion and it isn't living in reality.

[@iamacharliest]

@@rh7474 His stance is that children shouldn't be on these platforms though. He said that at the beginning.

[@_deepcalm_]

asmon generally has fair, level headed takes - but he has a weird take in regards to this topic. he was very vocal against gambling on twitch, and one of his main concerns he brought up a lot, was minors being exposed to gambling via steamers. but in regards to pornographic content, his stance has generally been that parents need to do a better job at monitoring what their kids look at online. i understand that his greater overall point is that the girls are just doing what twitch allows and ultimately it's up to twitch to change the rules - but he was very vocal about how he felt twitch should change their rules in regards to gambling. when it comes to the porn, he seems to not care either way, and dismisses it as misplaced outrage and/or bad parenting. i understand he makes a habit of dating OF girls who also stream on twitch so maybe he just doesn't want to come off as a hypocrite in that regard, but his out-of-character cognitive dissonance on this topic is glaring.

[@Akister]

spot on, I reckon it has everything to do with him being personally interested in OF streamers and not wanting to get on their bad side/ejected out of their dating pool

[@harryfbrice]

People gonna people. Asmon is a Min/Maxer kinda guy so wasting energy changing people or company's platforms ain't worth his time.

[@MillennialKiwiGamer]

Gambling destroys families bro. You're comparing Gambling to softcore barely porn porn. Stop it.

[@Chippaization]

@@MillennialKiwiGamer ....do you not know how much men throw at women for attention? people dump even more into OF and subs than gambling on twitch

[@br1425]

Also the take that it’s not “mostly kids” is a weird one. Yes technically it’s not mostly children, but direct from Twitch Advertising: 21% of the platform’s users are between the ages of 13 and 17.

[@otterlyfresh2886]

Asmon literally cannot stop simping

[@Wolfy11188]

Why would the solution to this be to remove the kids from the site who in this case you would call the "victims" and not the women who are taking advantage of them who are the borderline " criminals"? Also I had a child's bank account from the ages of 12-18, it wouldn't allow me to make transactions on things that are exclusively 18+. I couldn't buy fuel, I couldn't buy alcohol, I couldn't buy tobacco or lottery tickets or adult content (yes I tried), the card wouldn't let me even if the store wanted to. What that very account would allow me to do if I chose to is to purchase a twitch subscription or bits because the site is once again, advertised as being child friendly. Asmon throughout this entire video is defending women that are knowingly exposing themselves to minors and honestly it really isn't a good look.

[@SlavaBohu]

They pay asmon to promote this shit too, that's why he supports it, just look on his "ex-gf" and this new asian girl.

[@Wolfy11188]

@@SlavaBohu I mean I don't believe for one second that Asmon is personally gaining anything from this situation, personally since 2019 I haven't watched a single twitch stream because I simply got sick and tired of this very thing. He does however no doubt feel a desirable need to defend twitch itself as it is his bread and butter but this whole video really changed my opinion on him. It is a fact that these women know they are doing this in front of children, it's the equivalent of walking into a theme park with a blind fold on, taking off your clothes and then saying "Oh I wasn't aware there were children here because I was removing my clothes for the 18+ people". That is what he is defending here.

[@bullettime1116]

i just believe parents should monitor their kids more and this shit should be delegated to a category and banned if its outside of it. that or just label the site as 18+ and boot the kids out

[@kha4911]

Because Twitch isn't a safe space for kids to begin with??? He covered this in the video already, you remove the thots, congratulations! Now you just have to remove every other problem involving kids. You remove the kids? Well now, you can't have a problem with kids if there are none.

[@outerlast]

it's like, when you really, really want the "criminals" to give you some sweet honey, you'll persecute the "victims"

[@Catalinddm]

Damn. Love Asmon's takes on things, but when he has an L take, he goes ALL IN.

[@kopicat2429]

He agrees with most of she says. It was actually very little that he straight up fully disagreed with. He sure as heck didn't defend any of these girls at all. His opinion is simply that it's easier to get rid of the minors, then to change every single content creator on twitch. Because after you get rid of the nudity, there are still a million more things you have to get rid of in order for twitch to be a safe platform for minors. So how is that an L take? Or is it your opinion that it's OK for minors to interact with strangers that's most likely adults, and potentially quite interested in children? OK for them to learn all kinds of crazy swearing and horrible words? Get addicted to gambling? No, way easier to get rid of the kids, then to try and make it actually child friendly.

[@rvt_h3d]

most of his points are direct contradictions to themselves@@kopicat2429

[@Catalinddm]

​@@kopicat2429 my bad. I agree with most of the video, but when he has an L take he goes in. 1:08:00 and there were to other points but I'm to lazy to search them up. Cheers

[@DerusGrindz]

​@@CatalinddmHow is gambling not harmful for everyone? Or that porn < gambling for your mental health? Morning is harmful for sure. But it's in no way ruining lives as easily as gambling.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@DerusGrindzmost functioning adults to gamble online because a twitch streamer told them to. Gambling is bad, but it isn't about whether or not these vague concepts are bad, it's how it effects kids

[@LAQueenBee0313]

This entire situation is just beyond stupid. There is no way you really think an 11 year old kid is going to put their real DOB… we were all 11 at one point, you bet your ass I was lying on almost everything. The argument “says 12+” on its own is just stupid, as if 10 year olds are going to say “aww shucks. Looks like I can’t download it” I mean cmon now, be realistic.

[@ZeekeDM]

Zack is so smart about so many different things. I don't understand why he decides to stoop so low to defend women praying on younger men for money. Twitch advertises as a 13+ website, I should not be able to see tits on it at all. It isn't "censorship" to get pornographic content off of a site that isn't porn. It's just moving it back to the correct area.

[@aykan5621]

Because he watches all of those girls

[@Lekser]

Because he is around these people, his current wannabe girlfriend that comes to his house often is OF girl

[@Psycorde]

Yeah, he's usually pretty insightful and fairly consistent on a lit of stuff. But we do know why he's protecting thots, he was and is in relationship with some of them.

[@haydencantthink]

I don't think we should be hating on 'twitch thots'. It seems pretty weird that Twitch advertises their platform to kids despite having nsfw content on there. "Don't hate the player, hate the game" applies here. Edit: then again, the fact that twitch girls are using twitch and displaying nsfw content is pretty unethical especially when there's pornographic livestreaming websites for *adults only* that exist

[@alexjustalexyt1144]

@@haydencantthink you can hate both imo but yea the focus should definitely be more on twitch and twitch staff who make the rules and enforces the rules.

[@Isaxus12]

Calling video games "children's games" because of their age rating, but not applying the same logic to Twitch...

[@jacobsnipes5164]

By that logic why is he playing them if their childrens games right?

[@highlymobilehobo4161]

@@jacobsnipes5164 games only have a minimum age rating, but you can play them til your 90 if you want.

[@kha4911]

I'm guessing you say this because things like fortnite and minecraft are considered children's games? That's because their audience is primarily children, not because of the rating, the statistics from 2019 show that Twitch's audience is mostly adults, so why would it be considered a platform for children?

[@dodder044]

@@kha4911 he's not saying this - he's saying that Asmon does, which he does routinely. the point being is he's shifting the goal posts constantly in his opinion on this topic, for what reason who the fuck knows

[@kha4911]

@@dodder044 Yes, asmon calls them children's games, why is that?

[@LongXue]

Shoe: Twitch is for gaming, at least it's used to be. Asmon: I don't think twitch is for gaming anymore, primarily it is a gaming website tho. yeah..

[@BigNothingMonsterMan]

Doing "it is what it is" to giving children porn and profiting off of it is a insane L

[@Dumb-Comment]

What? What you gonna do? Tell them to stop? I don't think I have the right to tell what people can or cannot do, they do whatever they want. Yes it's wrong but it is what it is

[@Turianz_]

@@Dumb-Comment Your handle perfectly suits you

[@khaalmalki4039]

@@Dumb-Comment No it is not. If this was an adult site then sure it is what it is if children lie and make fake accounts to access it, however Twitch has a minimum age of 12. The pornhub argument doesn't even make sense.

[@VitchAndVorty]

@@Turianz_ I think that's the whole point...

[@saltworth2570]

Who gives a fuck? Its not their responsibility to enforce what your child watches.

[@rickfsu22]

I love when asmon says he disagrees with what she says and then explains why he actually agrees with what her said in a 5 minute rant about something random he compares it to.

[@matthewf1979]

5D chess to keep the blue hairs off his back.

[@Rosispergia]

Yup. On this topic he is just biased because he is friends with them. He will never have an objective take

[@Banished-rx4ol]

@@RosispergiaThe funniest part is a good portion of his audience are kids he often says for people NOT to say their real age. He also dates a lot of E-thots and has them as friends so I can see how hypocritical it would make him seem.

[@outerlast]

that's called "intellectually dishonest". the actual one, not the phrase he likes to spout when encountering people who disagree with him.

[@itzTheChachi]

Biggest L take from Asmon, mainly bc it contradicts what he always says about how kids should not be allowed on social media. But overall he gives really good points on his own perspective but it’s not a good take overall.

[@megageek8509]

Weird take Asmon. Twitch is accountable for the content it allows and the users it allows. It has allowed 13 year olds and porn to collide with zero f’s given. Its on them to either change the age limits or the content.

[@13ofus]

By your logic the internet as a whole should have a age restriction because a simple google search of porn can net you an unprecedented amount of porn with the simple click of "im 18" Damn wow i sure never lied when i was 13 and wanted to watch porn.

[@alexguillen28]

Weird take, hold parents accountable for what their kids use

[@heheheha1997]

@@13ofus the internet is not an entity, it is a medium. that's like if a movie theater posted porn on their walls and people said to remove it because kids go there and you said "well by that same logic we should just ban the whole world because you can simply walk to a strip club and see the same thing." Certain things are advertised and kept in certain categories. If something is advertised for 13 year olds it should not include porn, simple as. Either raise the age you're advertising for or remove the porn. I don't know why it's so hard to understand.

[@13ofus]

@@Spirit_Circle It is not but you know what has porn and lets children collide with zero f's given? The entire internet literally everywhere. Any kid can go to google and type porn as i said before and you get it. So according to OP the ENTIRE INTERNET can choose to either add an 18+ age restriction for access to the whole internet. Or you ban anything even slightly risky. My comment from before was not hard to follow.

[@13ofus]

@@heheheha1997 Not at all. IMAX theaters had in the first room frozen or some shit and in the 2nd theater porn with nothing stopping you except a blind deaf guy that all you have to do is poke him in the stomach to confirm you are 18 and you get in there are only 2 solutions. 1. You age restrict the theater as a whole so only 18+ can enter 2. You remove porn entirely in a movie theater setting it sounds to simple but if you change so instead of porn we are talking about comedies as a whole suddenly you can't watch any comedy unless you are 18+ or comedies are banned. But again movies theaters are not the internet they are not comparable. Some cleavage on twitch wont even be the worst thing any kids sees in a day. We were all kids before just think back to then and realize how little of a problem this is.

[@kanosig]

Missed the entire point at the start and talked about it for 10 minutes anyway. Twitch literally excluded 13, 14, and 15 year olds from their pie chart of age groups. There's zero reason to do that if it doesnt look bad. For all we know when looking at that graphic, 90% of Twitch users are 13-15. Forget the very obvious large number of people under 13 simply lying. He's right that they can do the same thing on any website, but that's an entirely unrelated point.

[@guillermobernabes4979]

But you forget that the children can lie about their age and make an account like how kids made a Facebook account saying they’re 18 without a background check and parents don’t pay attention to what the kids do

[@roberttractortaylor]

That's what I was thinking. Every other form of demographic reporting I've ever seen is children, 18-25, 25-45, and 45+. To me, seeing a demo breakdown like that screams of data manipulation

[@roberttractortaylor]

@@guillermobernabes4979but Facebook doesn't allow nudity.

[@Brad-ut1ro]

@@guillermobernabes4979that’s besides the point. Yes, they can and do. A LOT. It’s still begs the question; y is Twitch leaving out an entire age category? It’s impossible to make a genuine argument when they intentionally make everything vague or simply omit the most important info.

[@RedScyther]

You catch a lot of big Ls in this Asmon, I get you're tryna sit on the fence but.. jesus christ.

[@yewknight]

We gone so far towards “girl power” that we are cheering adult women for exposing themselves to children for money.

[@hughmungus431]

Ya you know what that's called? SA

[@SkipBaley-hb6nc]

Hey bro, it isn’t SA when a woman does it. Cardi B. represent, am I right? Fellas…?

[@zzzzzzz88]

@@SkipBaley-hb6nc LOL

[@MrSkillShotZ]

i would blame the girls if twitch didnt keep changing policy

[@scarletsletter4466]

As a woman, I object to you calling this “girl power.” The vast majority of women, even attractive ones, are NOT exposing ourselves on Twitch or other soc media. It’s a tiny minority that you see, & statistically, women are actually more conservative about protecting children than men are

[@Stevo.100]

35:50 "it's not a double standard because girls consent to being sexualized" But why is it that when I don't sexualize these consenting women I'm considered a sexist? Asmon misses the point for the millionth time.

[@Aleyck]

So the standard is actually this: "Sexualize me when I want to be sexualized, and only when I want to be, or you're sexist. Also, sexualize by giving me money."

[@endofexistence2149]

Asmongold while i love his content is literally 0/10 when it comes to dating and social behaviors of women. Hes always off mark about it and his opinions are literally flying off the front of his brain as he is speaking.

[@roxstar5088]

As a girl who had worked in the adult entertainment industry for years. I'm all for more sexual freedom. However there has been so much problems around this kinda content where the girls raked in so much money and with such armies of fanatics, that it's not healthy. For example we had cases of animal abuse, the whole sniperwolf fiasco and many more cases where these girls mobilize their viewers against another person they don't like. These girls don't take responsibility for their actions, the don't care about their consumers, they think they are above the law etc etc. So the more spicy content is not the problem, the personalities it promotes is the problem. The fact that the things they can get away with is purely based on how much money they make for twitch os also the problem. The fact that the rules are not enforced equally. Etc etc. And the fact this becomes the norm so girls will stream less as they think they can't compete if they don't go nude. And guys comes into the chats of girl streamers expecting them to go nude because thats what girl streamers do right.

[@gonzalocornejo9267]

my boy is slowly turning into idubbbz story from based to simp, defending what cant be defended to get some.

[@abruptend8993]

Sorry Asmon, but the "it is what it is" is not always the right mentality to a lot of things, just because life is generally shit doesn't mean you don't strive for something that is not shit.

[@James-nh9us]

Asmon would hope if he saw this comment, ngl.

[@_TheStormThatIsApproaching]

I think this whole mentality comes from the fact that deep down Asmon dislikes change or is afraid of change (or both)

[@alexzander1142]

If you think about it, this twitch stuff doesn't matter. Once you switch off your phone/pc this stuff doesn't affect the majority of people unless Ur job or life is tied to twitch

[@alexzander1142]

@@_TheStormThatIsApproaching nah, he's just just defending them cause he's friends with some of them, or hooked up with them ig. Not gonna sugar coat it : royal guard

[@cedricjohn1302]

Yeah it really bothers me of the mindset of “kids will always find a way to find porn, the parents need to be responsible!”. Bro letting it be and not doing anything just simple makes it worse 😕

[@riverlady982]

He keeps disagreeing with her and then argues with himself until he's agreeing with her it's, very confusing. Just admit you agree with her. 😏

[@Jbgunner2024]

Did you forget that he was reacting and considering the situation live and in real time?

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

@@Jbgunner2024he’s still capable of forming a coherent argument, like most sane people, without a script. The fact that his double think led him back to agreeing with her then posthoc trying to rationalise himself back into the opposite view shows his conv it is dissonance on this issue. It’s ironic because one of his favourite quotes is “you can’t rationalise someone out of a position that they didn’t rationalise themself into.”

[@roseredux7267]

Thought I would never say this to you but... hope she sees this king. This was a really awkward attempt to white knight for the twitch girls who are very clearly in the wrong. Shoe's points were fantastic. You sounded desperate and out of touch.

[@H1LTO]

Of course he is. Dude doesn't leave his house or know how to take care of himself. His gaming takes are great but shit like this, he's clueless.

[@alexjustalexyt1144]

New to Asmond's clip and am a fan but from watching some of his content and content about him and he probably has a bias because he is a friend of these type of "twitch thots" so this is probably him just not wanting to basically agree with Shoe so he doesn't piss his friends off. Whether intentional or subconsciously, of course, this is all speculation though

[@katto1937]

@@H1LTOHe does leave the house, to date his onlyfans girlfriends

[@halo1crysis]

Money and thots can change a man's life.

[@zzBaBzz]

@@H1LTO He's average at games at best roflmao.

[@Rasmanit]

"Are we assuming that the 40% are between 16-17". Are you assuming that young kids don't lie about their age when making an account on anything? How many people lied on their age when making a MySpace or Facebook account when they were young? Yeah a fuck ton. "I don't think it's full of children, and I don't think children existing on a website means that every other adult has to censor their speech and their expression because children could be present". Except it means exactly that when the minimum age of the website is 13 and it isn't that there "could be" children it's that THERE IS. Asmon usually has good takes but his take on mature content on Twitch is so dumb. Places exist for mature content Twitch isn't one of them.

[@cedricjohn1302]

The fact that his take is also “yeah well you should have better parents that teach you not to go to porn related content” yeah sure, but I still think a website still has a responsibility to at least make sure to give them info that twitch has ADULT related content if their still advertising this to kids at 12 years old as a MINIMUM age to log in.

[@Grimmance]

Asmon ignored the fact that KZbin has KZbin kids, yet does content restriction and flagging for sexual reasons

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

he cant criticize his friends and acquaintances

[@Mike_Dubayou]

I asked on reddit one time for the opinions of those who had run websites that had age requirements, what percentage of your users said they were born on january 1st. I made it clear that I just wanted to know what percent of users did what I did, and just click the year and flick down on the scroll wheel to get a random year. The average answer I got was between about 40-50%

[@SaintSchield]

​@@Mike_DubayouI do this because I'm lazy, not because I am underage. We are not the same.

[@dylansplunker9081]

this was just so hard to watch. theres no way any adult man with a brain can make contradictions like this on this subject

[@grrman]

You're wrong on this one Asmon, and Shoe is pretty much on point. The pornification of Twitch is a huge problem and shouldn't be permissible or encouraged in any capacity.

[@doves5457]

Asmon profits off it ofcourse he’s not gonna sh1t on twitch

[@grrman]

@@doves5457 Yeah, that's certainly true. Imagine if he'd put his principles first, for the betterment of Twitch

[@idoname]

I agree def a problem every streamer who actually works their ass off should do something about if possible.

[@just1it1moko]

@@doves5457 and are we gonna ignore the elephant in the room of Asmon's new "gf"? he's definitely biased.

[@гачимученник-б5в]

his gf is ethot so he will obviously defend it.

[@Frostyfern]

Guys yall gotta remember asmon dates these women, so cant really be shellshocked when he defends them.

[@PolishGoblinn]

he can because his views on this are pro predatory, and dating a predator doesn't change the fact that being a predator or supporting one is bad

[@SackyBalls444]

I don't think anyone is shocked, just disappointed. Man doesn't even try to hide it lol

[@BlueA]

@@SackyBalls444 Yeah defending pokimane or twitch is expected, like he defends Blizzard at everychance he gets. But defending porn being advertised to kids is a step too far

[@padarousou]

Cause he understands it's just an occupation in a booming market. Only ones complaining are the jealous incels

[@gomahklawm4446]

So gross.....

[@shockedb]

yeah i’m actually sick of asmon turning the other cheek to half of this stuff to appease e girls

[@strayzao]

he always go out with girls that do of so its kinda predictable

[@williamj8061]

It's actually really disgusting how you downplay this with irrelevant tangents and frequent whataboutisms. Being out-based by a woman who looks like she lives in 2007 is crazy.

[@Seen-ux8xe]

💀

[@schweizer3301]

Shoe catching a stray here dam

[@blakegallegos1064]

It's one of those situations where asmon being used to a legion of dudes agreeing with him and telling him he's right makes him think he's right about something...........that's he just isn't.

[@sharrick1208]

he's so wrong, anyone can go onto twitch you don't need to make an account. I can go onto twitch without signing in on any browser and watch any stream on the site

[@jacobsnipes5164]

People like him never go outside and are on the internet all day so hes really out of touch

[@kopicat2429]

@@jacobsnipes5164 Hahaha. Yeah, the guy is terminally online and on twitch all the time. So he's totally out of touch when it comes to twitch, which he spends all his time on. Whatever you are smoking, I want.

[@bitupr8458]

@@kopicat2429 And because he's on twitch all day, he's obviously going to defend the actions of twitch. He's way more biased for this because he's also in that space, his girlfriend is literally an OF creator lol

[@kopicat2429]

@@bitupr8458 Well, he never really 'defended' them all that much. He agreed with most of what Shoe said. It's just that his opinion on them hasn't particularly changed over the years. The fact he doesn't really care one way or the other. The fact that his opinion was the same before this new girlfriend of his doesn't appear to be something people remember. Instead now, it's ONLY because of his girlfriend that he's defending it. Which he's not. He's just not outraged. Nor does he really care. Which is a problem for everyone else. They want outrage. They want everyone to condemn it. They want online personalities to agree with them. They NEED people to agree with them. Whatever that opinion might be, or they go absolutely bat shit insane.

[@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873]

@@kopicat2429 Thanks to you I can go to sleep knowing there is at least sensible comment here

[@corbin_4738]

19:30 When he stopped counting and scrolling, there was at least 4 more girls at the bottom that he didn't count. Haha!

[@hiroshisama]

Rare Asmon L, Shoe is right on this one, sadly Asmon was outclassed this time, he mostly never attacked the arguments, he mostly deflected or just refused to address the points

[@bLuGhOsT_]

Common Asmon L

[@randomhero6365]

His only "points" latley are reflecting with "come on what are we talking about here? Are we really gonna believe _____" and that's all he says

[@Sig509]

yeah, he tired to dillute her arguments with a long speech, but not realy making a point

[@domerame5913]

@@randomhero6365 that's his famous facts and logic

[@Thedarkbunnyrabbit]

No, people are just incredibly stupid because they panic over the idea of kids seeing naughty stuff. If they don't scream "THIS IS WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!!!!!! WRONG I SAY! I AM SO OUTRAGED AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" at the top of their lungs they'll be accused of being a kid enjoyer, so Asmon's usual W take is ignored. Asmon is right. It's not anyone's problem but the parents, and if people don't want kids seeing that stuff on Twitch they should just ban the kids.

[@ForeverFridayVideo]

Broken window theory. Asmongold is wrong - if you think this is an issue, be sure to speak out. Also, no offense, but asmongold saying kids don’t watch the site is out of touch…and he defends porn way too much.

[@yewknight]

No lie. Porn is ruining boys and men these days. We need spaces on the internet that aren’t just trying to get men addicted.

[@yewknight]

@@rickmel3883 whataboutisms are a very facile tactic.

[@zuleo_gaming]

@@yewknight No, religion ruins people. Fear mongering the afterlife - only fools fall for that scam.

[@BasedProletarianJacob420]

@@rickmel3883Why can’t it be both that are ruining mens lives? The manosphere grifters and the porn industry are both trying to make money and take advantage of the fact that the internet isn’t regulated enough.

[@rahvu420]

@@rickmel3883 Why did the "manosphere" ever came to be?

[@ginger_jeezus]

Asmon thinking his convenience and anonymity is more important than children being exposed to sexual predators is insane.

[@TheRealCartman2]

@@BlakeN-o6lor a smart person!

[@MrBottlecapBill]

I would argue that if you're allowing your kids to watch porn on twitch YOU are the sole source of the issue. Rather than violating MY rights.........get your own home in order. Having everyone's rights violated to protect the few is literally stupid logic. If you're next argument is to tell me you can't be monitoring your children 24/7 they how the hell would you expect someone else to do it? It all comes down to nobody raising their kids properly. It's that simple. Twitch, twitter whatever are ONLY going to do what it profitable. Never put your faith in someone else to do your parenting.

[@SilvD3X]

Bro doesn't want his favourite section being censored. Also his GFs losing viewers/income or leave him for being against it. He CAN'T agree because he's IN IT, by decision. He's stuck.

[@1shogunate696]

I think Kaise already losing viewership, her last vod only has 123 views, the one from yesterday, well, 33.2k views. Asmon being in the thumbnail drove those people off I bet 😂

[@Jiub_SN]

Classic, little bro can't think of a counter because asmon thinks those under 18 shouldn't be allowed on and he's pissed that streamer man wants him to get banned

[@panicnow14]

Ah yeah, I remember all those OF models saying "we're gonna deliberately expose ourselves to minors on twitch to make money off of them". Unless that's actually deliberately what they're doing but that seems really stupid and transparently illegal. I just think the discourse is weird because people are gonna use this issue to say dumb shit like OF should be outright banned or porn should be made illegal in its totality. The only thing that matters is that everyone involved is of legal age. Everything beyond that is just moral grandstanding.

[@jgomez9426]

If they labeled this behavior as grooming it would stop. Lets be honest if your target is young men and women then that is exactly what you are doing.

[@kaimojepaslt]

what grooming means, i'm not a native english speaker

[@mkazaa]

​@@kaimojepasltit's like getting close to someone who's young so they slowly start to like/love you but in a weird way. So if a teacher met a kid and made them feel special and then when the kid turned 18 and starts dating the teacher you'd call that grooming.

[@user-unknown1705]

@@kaimojepaslt basically mean leading someone with "reward" or "reason" toward doing something for you but in most case it is used for leading kid to do nsfw with or sent it to you. In short : manipulation

[@malchir4036]

@@mkazaaThat's not at all what grooming means. Grooming is sexual manipulation of minors.

[@Rosispergia]

have a look in the news at how many female teachers got arrested for having relationships with minors at school? Their numbers have increased insanely in the past years

[@thefox7427]

“Kids can look up spicy content on Google, so it’s acceptable on this video game streaming platform”. This logic has more holes than Swiss cheese.

[@dai6419]

asmond was really not cooking with this one, hes collabed with alot of these hotub streamers so ig its natural that hed defend them

[@calimantis]

Asmon doesn't have L takes too often, but when he does, man are they massive L takes

[@schweizer3301]

Yup he goes all in

[@bakakaizoku]

As of today the dictionary has a photo of Asmonbald next to the letter L

[@sujoywilliam2905]

he always takes an L when its about degenracy

[@kiuhh1118]

Majority of his takes are bad and come as a result from using very biased media/sources that more often than not are completely bullshit. This one take in this video is just so hilariously bad though that even you can easily spot the hypocrisy and lack of knowledge about this topic hes trying to give opinion about, but the reality is, thats how majority of his takes look like to people actually researching things that he talks about. I like asmon as a videogame streamer, and thats how i got into his channel, however he gives off that random old uncle that bases all opinions exclusively on life experience and nothing more when it comes to his outside-of-gaming takes.

[@MGC-XIII]

@@kiuhh1118he also got a lot worse after his mom died sadly.

[@Mallard942]

"Kids are always going to be able to see this stuff" is not a good argument for not doing anything we can to prevent it. Frankly, it's hard to argue that the adults getting access to it is worth it if it also means kids have easy access. Why not just ban porn entirely? It's clearly not doing anyone any good, and if we can't keep it out of kids hand's specifically, shouldn't we try to get rid of it generally?

[@ThatOneNando]

As a parent, I want to offer some perspective. Twitch presents itself as "a community-centric live streaming service focused on gaming, entertainment, creative content, and more." In its promotional efforts, it highlights its position as a premier platform where gamers, creators, and viewers can come together to enjoy live content, exchange ideas, and foster communities across a variety of interests. Is it the responsibility of parents to educate their children about navigating the internet safely and wisely? Absolutely. Should we also expect social media platforms to honor their commitments by adhering to the laws of their operating countries and their own terms of service? Undoubtedly. These are the standards we rely on. While Asmon didn't explicitly state "keep your kids off the internet entirely," his viewpoints suggest a lean towards extreme caution regarding internet use by children. This perspective, while rooted in concern, might not fully address the practicalities of modern digital life. What Twitch needs to consider is straightforward: either explicitly categorize the platform as suitable for adults only (18+) or enforce stricter measures against streamers who produce content that verges on being pornographic.

[@jonathanmitchell5171]

This is it. As a parent of very young daughters that’s stumbled from cool math games and Barbie videos to Chaterbate then redtube on a school issued iPad is deeply concerning. I caught it because I check. Yet all of my parental controls and observation was no match for the internet. All I could do was ask the school not to allow them to bring the iPads home because I cannot moderate their hardware like I can my own iPads. Also if it’s listed as 12+ then this content is slipping through parental controls for that age range

[@genevievec.8002]

Not a parent, but I totally agree. Twitch needs to be either family friendly, at least within reason (not cinemax style) or it needs to be adult only. If Twitch wants to let women (or men) bounce their bits on stream, fine, but make the minimum age much higher. If they want to keep the kids there, they should ban the heavily sexual content. Kids would still slip in if they went adult only, but it would be against their rules. Personally, I think we have things like OF for the people who want to make and consume specifically sexual content, so why not keep that content relegated to off their platform.

[@Ornithopter470]

​@@jonathanmitchell5171 just a tip: you can set up network controls on your router that will mitigate most of the issues with actual pornographic content. You don't necessarily have to do it on a per-device basis.

[@andrewhood4640]

Also, keep your children off of the internet without supervision. Don't expect a company to do what's best for YOU. They will always make the best financial decision for them

[@Blackmore278]

I agree that kids shouldn't be on social media, however how can you say that kids are "intruding" on adult spaces when these social media sites advertise themselves as 12-13+ ? In a lot of cases it is the adults that intrude on kids spaces, i.e videogames primarily intended for children getting deluged full of adult content. Shoe is right when she said everywhere has become the strip club, we have removed all safe spaces that used to exist for kids a lot for the time for the sake of "inclusion" and "openness". As an adult I refuse to blame kids.

[@Blackmore278]

@@unversedhero6028 Yes we all know that Mario was intended only for a 21+ audience. All of the earliest game consoles and accompanying video games were primarily advertised to and played by children.

[@Hethalean]

​@unversedhero6028 so dolls are targeted to the parents?

[@Blackmore278]

@@unversedhero6028 Can you reread my comment? "videogames primarily intended for children getting deluged full of adult content". Is Mario not a game that was developed, marketed and played by predominately children? Ergo Mario is a videogame for kids. Do you not see how that conflicts with your statement "Videogames were never for kids"? I don't understand how you are not getting something so simple, other then to be excruciatingly contrarian and pedantic.

[@jdarokhajiit9153]

​@@Blackmore278because your premise is false, there are some game that are for primarily children but the majority of video games are made for people (kids and adults both). Just because kids can sign up for social media does not mean that most social media is aimed at adults is false.

[@Blackmore278]

@@jdarokhajiit9153 If most social media is aimed at adults, then kids should not be allowed to join. The same way that games aimed at adults should not be played by children. Adults should not insert adult content into games primarily made for and played by children. Adults should not intrude on social spaces, forums, websites intended for children. I don't see where I am inconsistent.

[@kakeup]

It's absolutely the parents responsibility to moderate their child's Internet use. I have a 12 year old daughter and her phone is set up in a way where she can't download new apps or even Google anything without my putting in a password, her laptop is set up with parental controls so she can Google what she needs but adult sites are heavily moderated out and I get a weekly report which details what sites she has accessed. She whines at me sometimes about her phone because her friends all have tik tok and Facebook and she feels left out which sucks and i wish that wasn't the case but i think that is the lesser of two evils and having her being upset with me somtimes is the price I pay for her being safe online, I also talk with her about online safety all the time, making her aware not to give out personal information or never send anything to anyone which you wouldn't be comfortable for everybody to see etc; hopefully she will thank me in the future.

[@jacksonconstantine5740]

She will. Thank you for being a good parent.

[@stephenfrench5242]

glad the comments are calling out the bs. such a biased take because he dates solely onlyfans girls

[@DerusGrindz]

What does that have to do with children?

[@Jiub_SN]

There it is folks. I don't even like Askon but you kids are really fighting for your lives down here. I'm married, I don't watch twitch, and I pretty much exclusively use KZbin social media wise. Saying "porn should be there on a website with kids on it" is a stupid take and is reducing it to "feels good thus is good" is stupid. He's right in saying if you have a problem with it the solution is to make the site 18+, because regardless of if topless shit is banned kids are going to see topless shit and nothing will change. You're a guy, can you tell me how old you were when you saw boobs online? Everyone I know except for religious kids with helicopter parents saw naked women online under the age of 12, many under the age of 10. And when I say this I mean they went out of their way to find it. As he said in the video, that legitimately isn't even the worst kids are exposed to . Many of my friends watched shit from wars in the Middle East and other nsfl shit. Basically, you want to make a website kid friendly when it wouldn't do a damn thing. Even if you ban titty streamers they'll still stream and still advertise their only fans and their Twitter, the only difference will be a kid won't see tits on twitch itself

[@DerusGrindz]

@@Jiub_SN That was a really long monologue.

[@TheSlapology]

@@Jiub_SN yea but to see naked women we had to go on a adult site, or steal a porn mag... not a streaming platform

[@HomeAloneGaming1]

who he dates should not prevent parents from ensuring that their children are not exposed to unsafe content...i found his conclusions to be concise and well thought out.

[@PixelKatana]

Unfortunately Asmon can’t be unbiased on this topic. He has a lot of friends on Twitch who participate in this and other very recent reasons to take this stance . IYKYK.

[@HomeAloneGaming1]

can you give a timestamp example where you think he gave a biased opinion and back up your opinion with some conclusions of your own?

[@caduhidalgo4996]

​@@HomeAloneGaming1 Here's the timestamp: 0:00:00 - 1:41:02

[@nopenahman7380]

32:40 "i try to avoid the mindset im better than anybody else" a few moments later... "yeah you're a loser who needs to start worrying about paying for additional health insurance instead of video games"

[@pepelag7278]

Geez, Asmond is so petty sometimes. He's reaching to defend these women. Shoe brought up excellent points, some I never even thought about before. He really added nothing to this discourse lol.

[@BxBxProductions]

shoe's hilarious and top tier, always been this consistent at pissing people off 😭😂

[@aidiruikki]

lol ofcuz asmon gonna defend those girl he date and friends with them too , he live just by catering to them ..what a sad men he is lmao

[@Kurozu1991]

Did you expect anything else from Asmonbergstein?

[@ndt7379]

It's crazy how bias he is here. At the beginning it just looks like he's having a dumb take, but as the video goes on, he's outright just bending over backwards at every point to defend them. He even defends the random Twitter comments attacking guys as being gay for taking issue with the metas. Seriously, how low can you get here? EDIT: What makes the last part with the Twitter comments even more crazy is the dude literally has other videos where he goes off on localizers and other internet figures for doing the exact same thing on Twitter when they're being criticized.

[@Stevo.100]

So it's a normal asmon video?

[@RowdyRafe]

Asmon has to defend his tastes in women in the video

[@gomahklawm4446]

So gross....

[@MultiChrisjb]

timestamp?

[@TheCringiest]

We're all angry. But we're not angry at each other. We're angry at this life. We're angry at how we should be fixing things to make our lives better. And I'm not talking about the climate or shit like that. I'm talking about how you don't want to get up in the morning. And how your life is so hard that it doesn't give you any time to enjoy it.

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

parents should be aware of what their kids are doing AND grown adults should understand how to act appropriately in areas where children might see them. Big L take dude

[@bsx132]

You're assuming the 'adults' doing the streaming AKA onlyho's don't want children / teenagers to see their stuff.

[@IkethRacing]

This is like saying criminals should understand how to act within the laws. Is society a utopia to you?

[@VirtualGuerilla89]

​@@IkethRacingI disagree with asmon but are the th0t streamers criminals? That's a really piss poor comparison.

[@bc9554]

@@bsx132 They definitely do. Kids are part of their income

[@chichichichichichiOwO]

They dont care tho, all they care about is the money ​@@bsx132

[@OCRSpartan66]

The reason Shoe circled the stat is that twitch doesn't track underage viewers

[@Jiub_SN]

No shit, they can't. Asmon said himself that that means you can't make any claim using those statistics because you can't be sure what number of users are under 18 or under the provided percentages. It's not solid evidence for anything

[@TheTomoyaNagase]

@@Jiub_SNyou mean "no shit they are keeping it a secret" if they are 13+ then why aren't they tracking from that age why are their messures starting at 16? WHy is there no seperate category to track underage like any other statistic of age would normally have? because they want to hide it.

[@caduhidalgo4996]

​@@Jiub_SN Actually, I'm with Apple on this one. Apple declares Twitch to be 12+ for a reason: Every time you submit a request to update your application on their app store, the update is triaged by someone at Apple who said "There's kids using this app. So, 12+". Even the Apple reviewer knows something so basic that it's the fact that "Twitch has a big quantity of kids in their platform", and Twitch themselves either can't or won't actually get metrics that corroborate this...

[@genevievec.8002]

​@@Jiub_SN Bro, I think you missed the point. Twitch HAS data on ages, as indicated by their presentation of the stats they did give. However, they excluded the 13-16 year old range. This means that all the other ranges could make up a much smaller percentage of the actual overall user base. Additionally, they chose to have the first range be 16-24, which does make it impossible to know how many of that 41% are under vs over 18. Asmon is correct that we don't know how many users on Twitch are underage, but Shoe has the better argument, which is that the information in question was intentionally veiled.

[@352vagrant]

It's the parents job to monitor what their kids are doing and it's the creators job to not post questionably adult content on a not 100% adult site.

[@ThisOrThat13]

Jesus Asmond filled 30mins before Shoe could get 10mins into her vid. Hot topic for him?

[@SkipBaley-hb6nc]

Wonder why that is…? *goes back to watch some of his other new videos* Oh…

[@lukashenrique4295]

​@@SkipBaley-hb6ncyea 😂 shame, we're watching Asmongold Retail ver but I miss Classic Asmongold

[@just1it1moko]

@@SkipBaley-hb6nc I love how asmon feels the need he needs to protect this girl somehow, I know my money would be on her if they were in a fight.

[@FocusStrife]

Asmon absolute L argument. Literally too scared to let the video play too long and chooses to dissect small segments of arguments in order to skew the discussion and daze the viewer into mis-remembering the point made by Shoe Asmon has mastered the method of winning an argument alone in his room without genuine discourse or criticism. His desperate attempt to defend Twitch shows in this video where his most valid points are made against Shoe making Jokes or slipping in a Troll for laughs

[@shadowpathfinder7723]

As someone who just started watching his KZbin videos, he seems like he's one of those people whom are so smart they believe themselves outside the realm of morality. All of the "logic" he uses seems like it has something like "rational immoralism" as the core foundation. Very strange seeing everything that stodgy ancient Conservatives have been saying about heathens coming true

[@snipes503]

It really shouldn't be hard to engage with her points. She's the last person that wants to ban lewd art or pron. She's just asking for it not to be in easy reach of kids. Twitch is doing the equivalent of my grandpa sliding his playboy mags under the couch instead of locking them in his room. Yes I found them at the age of 7.

[@neoxblackgold]

it's funny how you didn't present any arguments in your comment either. I have watched the entire video when it was released by Shoe and now as a reaction from Asmon, he reacted to the entire video as it is, so you're just lying.

[@LA.20]

Oh I don't know why he pauses the video, maybe react and provide his own insight and opinions whenever an argument topic has been provided in the video. You know like a proper reaction video. Lmao

[@EndersupremE]

@@LA.20 he doesn't even let her finish an argument. She speaks five words and he's already making an hour essay on it. Like the whole "these 40% aren't minors" with the audience graph when Shoe said that twitch is a predominantly young male space and the graph proved it. She never said that 40% were minors

[@murmuratingmemories]

I just love how many people are now realizing that shoe was based this whole time

[@Valsin]

Asmon legit defended for a solid 10 minutes that sexual content on Twitch, a website to which kids go to watch someone playing a videogame, is completely ok because "kids have access to these things on other websites", comparing it to PHub search results, an actual porn website. This is just baffling to me.

[@darkhorsedre]

I think its the problem with thinking on ones feet - articulation. He made that connection to show that kids are searching for game characters on porn sites, thus they are accessing porn on other platforms and it is unfair to single out Twitch. He also makes the point that the twitch thots do not have many ads nor occupy the top streamer spots - they are using twitch as a lead generator for paid platforms like OF.

[@Jiub_SN]

Yeah dude, you're so close to getting it I feel bad for you. The ethots are minor on twitch, you'd have to go out of your way to find them. His whole point is that kids will see naked women regardless and that he thinks kids under 18 shouldn't even be on the platform in the first place. The only reason I could think of that you wouldn't get or agree with that is if you're under 18 yourself

[@Valsin]

@@Jiub_SN Yeah dude, it's really hard for kids to click the "Just Chatting" section XD.

[@shawnmorris9175]

he makes some good points and some bad ones like anyone else the one i think everyone should see as the takeaway instead of just ASMONBAD is that underage children should be the ones under restriction and not grown adults buti can see the argument on the flipside the work before family culture has made it socially acceptable to neglect raising your kid and monitoring what they are accessing but socially acceptable doesn't mean correct and i feel like a lot of people dont make that connection

[@Valsin]

@@shawnmorris9175 It's not work before family culture. It's from the moment kids have a phone with internet access you physically cannot control 100% of what they see on their phone, that is completely unrealistic and an argument made by someone that has never had to raise a kid. Kids are unsupervised when they go to bed, when they are at school, etc. You can't spend 100% of your time controlling what your kid does on their phone.

[@alexvollkommer1598]

bro im 6min in and i cant do this anymore NO twich shouldnt allow what they allowing right now, not farming me today buddy

[@mufasafalldown8401]

Asmons take on this subject is pretty bad imo. Just towing the twitch line and defending fellow streamers basically. But yeah that stuff needs to be contained to adult sites.

[@spudanky]

so yawl missed this 9:00

[@mufasafalldown8401]

@@spudanky and later he says he doesn't think anyone should be censored and it's the parents fault for letting their kids on the platform. (29:10) An extremely poor take when the age limit is 13. Instead of saying Twitch should cleanse their site of softcore porn, he places the blame on parents.

[@themanbehindyou.216]

​@@spudanky That's also a pretty bad take lmao. Brother treats social media as if it were a driver's license

[@spudanky]

@@mufasafalldown8401 so what about twitch being the least offensive site that this is happening on? You don't care about tiktok or twitter or instagram having the same, if not bigger a problem when it comes to children viewing adult content? Why is there seemingly more backlash with twitch compared to other sites. I don't understand the inconsistent outrage. Seems like Asmon is advocating for consistency, which would help greatly in protecting kids from adult content. As a parent tho, I think he's right that ultimately it does fall on us to be responsible for what our children are viewing. That's not an insane take at all.

[@zachbunch8701]

The only thing that makes it twitch’s problem is that they advertise to people under 18 while supporting this issue

[@Banjoooooooooooooooooo]

After his new gf showed up recently on stream, i understand why he has such a shit take on this lol

[@sfygy32]

You forgot the ex?

[@PixelKatana]

Is Pink Sparkles a joke to you?

[@Banjoooooooooooooooooo]

I've only been watching asmon for a few months, i had no idea about his ex but now it makes even more sense 😂

[@blazewardog]

​@@PixelKatana I would have assumed he would have learned at this point. Although I also have yellow fever so I can understand why he gave it another chance.

[@PixelKatana]

@@blazewardog He has every right to date whoever. The problem is that he can't be objective about the topic and still chose to cover it with a terrible take.

[@Bumblebeetunes]

Didn’t he just have one of these “take over his stream?” To be clear I’m only going off the title. No way I can watch an hour of that topic.

[@viniiciuslm]

yeah, wonder why he's so biased, pitiful

[@ndt7379]

It's precisely why he's doing this.

[@jacobsnipes5164]

@@viniiciuslmbefore the fame you can tell he never talked to women or got with them so now he thinks he can

[@zzBaBzz]

wasn't it the nasty one that kept insuting her mod and stuff?

[@VitchAndVorty]

@@jacobsnipes5164 The power of money.

[@ZaerdinGaming]

If we are going to do anything, we should implement device level age verification. Any device should be certified as 18+ with the initial setup process asking if this device will be used by someone under the age of 18. This can also be used to gate social media or other age restricted content as well. The other alternative would be doing something through your ISP and/or phone provider for content filtering. By default, everyone should be assumed to be 18 unless told otherwise.

[@TheChronboy420]

To say it's on the parents to make sure their kid doesn't see bad stuff is "intellectual dishonesty". The only way a parent can stop a kid from accessing bad stuff is to either be constantly looking over their shoulder or to completely take away electronics. Both of which would harm the kids development and also not fully stop the kid. In middle school I was getting around the firewalls on school computers and any kid that wants to find bad stuff will regardless of parental effort

[@Fenix1o]

Holy cow. how did this man turn a 27 minute video into an 1 hour and 41 minutes?!?

[@aidiruikki]

1 hour to defend those Of girl lol

[@rehmsmeyer]

​@@aidiruikki- he defends them because 1/100 times he has a chance to hook up with one of them.

[@moshpit89]

​@@rehmsmeyerWe're currently witnessing 1/100 times

[@alexzander1142]

Ultimate farm

[@aidiruikki]

@@rehmsmeyer and just other day he went out with asiannunnyx and morgpie lol ofcuz he cant said anything “bad” about OF

[@kwerby3285]

10 minutes in Older guys being creepy with underage girls: bad (yep no issue there) Older women exposing themselves to underage boys: no problems at all (wait what?)

[@tabytha7636]

Ah not wanting adults to take advantage of minors and actively seek them out Makes us Puritans..... Like do people actually hear some of the words that come out of their mouths??? Yes, we're so puritans because we don't want pornography to be advertised to children😮😮😮😮

[@feyrie]

The internet makes me lose hope in America sometimes. It’s crazy it’s getting to the point where there’s adults who genuinely don’t care about minors.

[@Jiub_SN]

@@feyrie why bring up America at all kiddo, stupid take, read the above comment and please stay in school, this generation is genuinely starting to worry me

[@panicnow14]

I think people are simply saying it's not the responsibility of content creators to sanitize what they do because some kids might be present on a website their parents shouldn't let them on anyway, advertised age rating be damned. Obviously individuals targeting kids should be punished accordingly but there's zero reason a child should be on a site like twitch in the first place, and for that very reason. It's a circular argument because nobody wants to take their share of blame. As a completely outside observer I think none of this would be a worry at all if most parents didn't just park their kids in front of computers and trusting any website to be trustworthy enough to appropriately entertain a minor.

[@tabytha7636]

@@panicnow14 there are plenty things that you said that I do agree with but has nothing to do with what I am saying in my original comment. So we can talk about everything else that you've put if you would like to know my opinions on those. What I am pointing out is that I am appalled by ppl calling people Puritans for feeling outraged or disgusted when people are purposely advertising pornographic material to children. And no, it's not The contents creators responsibility to sanitize their content because children might see it unless they are purposely targeting that demographic. As sure you can say it's not their responsibility, but what are their intentions for purposely advertising their pornographic material to children??? Let's not treat adults like idiots like they don't know what type of individuals are mainly on certain platforms. If we woke up tomorrow and PBS kids website started advertising pornhub on it, I do not feel like parents being outraged and disgusted is them simply being puritans. Sure PBS can start doing that all they want It's their website and they can do whatever they want on their website. Yes, parents should always be watching out for their children and looking at what they are allowing their children to be on but I don't feel like if Walmart started advertising their adult toys in the children's section should we simply just be okay with that because parents should be watching their children. More than one thing can be in the wrong. More than one thing can be guilty. More than one thing can be talked about in the same situation. And we can question everyone's intentions in that situation. Especially when their intentions feel very pedophilic.

[@panicnow14]

@@tabytha7636 am at work currently. You raise good points. I'll have to finish watching the video and come back to you. I feel like I'm missing some context.

[@Banished-rx4ol]

Funny how asmon was so against gambling because it could affect minors but bends over backwards when it comes to softcore porn then suddenly its okay.

[@andrastefanescu1376]

IDK why there is so much fuss about under 18s seeing naked people. They see themselves in the mirror every day and they have hormones and there is a law that is very subjective about consent in some countries at 18, in some others earlier. There is no real consensus because the truth is it depends on the person. I grew up before smartphones but i did get sporadic access to stuff my parents also thought i shouldnt have had access to. I do not feel, never did, and i also have no reason to believe i have been traumatized by it. Quite the contrary, because there is stuff i needed to know and explore at my own pacing and not through a creepy adult having an uncomfortable conversation with me, and the only reason it would be uncomfortable is because the adult would make it so. I think people should make a difference between kids seeing things on their own, by themselves and out of personal curiosity, and adults actually manipulating them into sexual situations, which is a power balance issue and therefore abuse.

[@spazalicious5208]

every shoeonhead video makes both political parties absolutely fume in anger, so you know shes right about something.

[@ForEverydayPeople]

Watching her get big on KZbin from her older, goofy videos makes me feel like such a boomer I swear. 🤣

[@spazalicious5208]

@@ForEverydayPeople same dude, back when "third wave feminism" was the worst thing since ww2

[@mariusevander2214]

Just to play devils advocate. "Or she's right about nothing."

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

Or perhaps she’s wrong about everything? Both have equal chances of being true.

[@huckleberryjam4975]

​@@mariusevander2214It actually grinds my gears sometimes when people do this "Oh I made people angry, that must mean I'm right" when it's clearly not the case.

[@pepelag7278]

This was honestly one of the worst reacts I’ve ever seen from you. You are so blinded by bias. She was on point 100% and you were reaching for disagreement.

[@shablat54364]

Almost like ya boi has a vested interest in twitch thotts lmao.

[@itachitsukuyomidcuo9853]

Hilariously watching Asmon getting destroyed by a literal video... Imagine if he had to talk to her and debate this point in real time 😂😂😂😂😂

[@animewarrior3]

He'd get a shoe on his head

[@inb4loss]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Asmon is not this very intelligent, unbiased bastion of opinions. He very much has a bias and uses kid gloves whenever he is talking about an issue that effects his fellow streamers. This really stupid side of him comes out every time something is rightfully critical of streamers, he will bend over backwards and interrupt whatever video he is reacting to 2-4x over it's length just so he can disperse the actual point long enough to obfuscate information and insist he is right. The man will interrupt a person mid sentence two-three times just to continue to build on his point if the person in the video is in danger of finishing theirs. It's a very intellectually dishonest way to react to anything.

[@MrBeetsGaming]

It's not "intellectually dishonest" it's his opinion.... On his video, on his channel..... Whether the criticism is "rightful" is a matter of opinion and he's allowed to have his, the fact you don't like it doesn't make him "not very intelligent."

[@ChrisZukowski88]

​you lose your right to an opinion when you start banning everyone who disagrees with you. ​@@MrBeetsGaming

[@inb4loss]

@@MrBeetsGaming Here, let me help with your reading comprehension. I didn't say he wasn't very intelligent, I said he wasn't this very intelligent, unbiased bastion of opinions. I am saying he is not infallible as a inhumane structure that only puts out well reasoned and unbiased takes, he very clearly has a bias. As for whether or not he is being intellectually dishonest I don't care to explain the myriad of ways in which he's just flooding the discourse with strawmen and fallacies by adding a whole 1hr20 minutes to a 25minute.

[@chichichichichichiOwO]

​@@MrBeetsGamingyes however his opinion clashes with his own opinion. He hates gambling on Twitch because kids are on the site yet....is fine with porn on the site because there are no kids on the site?

[@Bmacthesage]

​@@ChrisZukowski88exactly, it goes from his opinion to an echo chamber. It's frankly pretty annoying to me when he does this.

[@jonathaningram8157]

Losing anonymity on adult website is something I'm all for. People should be accountable for their degenerancy.

[@stolz_ar]

Asmon is just trying to play both sides. Shoe0nHead is right on almost everything. I do agree with Asmon about children and social media 100%. But saying that softcore porn on Twitch is small is FALSE. It's a BIG part of Twitch, just not the biggest.

[@cenciqt6045]

idk buddy maybe check your algorithm cause when I scroll mine like 1/50 is a female streamer let a lone a female streamer with her clothes off

[@peartry]

​@@cenciqt6045 idk buddy, I just went to twitch with no account and scrolled three times on the just chatting section and there's already one female streamer shaking her ass on the bed. The only thing that attempts to stop me is just a "are you sure you want to watch this?" kind of prompt with no requirements to enter a legit account

[@cenciqt6045]

@@peartry maybe dont scroll just chatting??? I'm on twitch to watch games. If you're on there to look for gaming you are going to see gaming

[@erxan4163]

​@@cenciqt6045but asmon said its not gaming website . Also , he is not scrolling on shake your ass , he is on just chatting. Nothing sexual is supposed to be there

[@PentaHousen]

​@@cenciqt6045so you are saying he shouldn't go to just chatting? So why it exist if he don't suposse to go there.

[@blankblank224]

of course he defends porn in Twitch he gf/ex gf and friends and co workers all do it.

[@SlavaBohu]

100%

[@summerrunner1755]

This is on brand for him when he defended gambling cause mY fRieNds

[@wesleytietz4506]

like for when he "compared the boob pics for free to finding a $5 or $10 or a quarter." LOL!

[@Netsuko]

Yikes. This is pretty messed up coming from Asmon. "The amount of kids watching twitch is a small amount". Dude... it's not. It's REALLY not. And regardless of that. Twitch still IS rated 13+ they absolutely have a responsibility to the content that is on their site RATED FOR KIDS. Dude come on, you are better than this.

[@strategygaming5830]

And his argument is that you should ban kids… on a site still mainly advertised as for gaming which is a major hobby for only kids and young adults.

[@pmaestro]

@@strategygaming5830 "strategy gaming" says gaming is mainly a hobby for "only kids and young adults" -- that's because gaming MAINLY took hold with millennials -- few boomers give a fuck. Millennials are entering their 40s. in 20 years, there will be a lot of gamers in their 60s. great "strategy" from a great mind. go take a nap.

[@padarousou]

It is a small amount proportionally. The problem isn't access, the problem is parental moderation.

[@CactusBrannigan]

@@padarousouif it’s rated 13+ it should be moderated as such. Simple as that. If a movie was sold as 13+ but contained tonnes of soft core porn/nudity it would be a problem. The same standards should apply to online content too

[@YouthfulCrusader]

I think both gold and shoe needed to do some more research to smoothen out the evidence, because practically sticking to opinions and grasping for straws half the time is not enough.

[@MicDubTV]

I think it's wild that everyone's issue is that kids are on Twitch rather than pointing out that these women are trying to get guys onto their OF pages or porn sites regardless of age. Like, let's be honest here. A ton of us have watched porn for years. But, many of us have also been addicted to the point where it's debilitating. These women are exploiting that whether they know it or not. I feel like most of them probably don't even care as long as they get their bag. Yes, exposing kids to this shit is even worse because you're just trying to hook these guys at an even younger age.

[@lilnapkin462]

I enjoy this channel. This is the first video I’m stopping 20 minutes in because of all the L takes

[@carpelunam]

Nice to see Asmons comment section has completely revolted against him in regard this opinion he constantly reiterates, not too long ago I used to an overwhelming agreeance with him.

[@malchir4036]

@@AD-tj6uu that for some reason has big boobs and recently went to his house.

[@yewknight]

He is so out of touch on this one.

[@gonzalocornejo9267]

@@malchir4036 on point xd, he could get some of that, he is a streamer with a ton of money, what do u expect, OF girls are into that and only that e.e

[@TheHermit47-di7gf]

That's because many people are finally starting to wake up.

[@bobburgers5199]

TERRIBLE takes, my guy. You don't even let her finish her point before "ACTUALLY-"ing it. You are so biased here.

[@ryanwinsor1689]

You realise we are hear to listen to him speak? You can go watch her video without him in it pretty simply

[@chocobo_3414]

​@ryanwinsor1689 you realize we are here to comment our opinions on the subject, right? If you are here just to listen to his voice you could just not open the comment section.

[@theespartanff3188]

​@@chocobo_3414Then why is everyone crying "so biased" if we are all just here giving our opinions? I don't agree with alot of his takes here but thats not the same as saying "Lolol big L bro, so biased"

[@bobburgers5199]

@@theespartanff3188 He's biased in this situation because of his personal life, not just his opinions. He is friends with a lot of the type of women who make this kind of content. He's being a white knight.

[@JohnDoe-ws4iu]

53:30 asmon is biased as a twitch streamer, her point is that the primary viewers of the female sexual content are men, which is 100% true, then he Segways to a point about advertisers even though that is completely irrelevant. He is being intellectually dishonest, as per usual.

[@petartodorov6000]

I know this comment won't reach Asmongold( or even is editors) but... Zack, I hope the Chinese honey trap is worth ruining your reputation with such takes

[@DragoonWarrior790]

Asmon: This problem is prominent in many online places, so we shouldn't even try. Wtf? Asmon: "Can't you make that argument with driving, and can't you make that argument with alcohol too?" How much more disingenuous crap is he going to throw out? I shouldn't even have to say this, but driving and alcohol are not the same thing! In South Dakota, you can start driving when you're 14. You only get a learner's permit, but you're still driving! Alcohol is still 21. Not even 18 year old people can (legally) drink.

[@Sig509]

While limits vary in different countries, and states I guess, Baldy is wrong also because, THEY ARE ACTIVELY ENFORCED. Sure, some people do bypass them, but there are serious punishments if for example a minor is driving while younger than the driving age, or is buing alcohol (where the punishment is even stricter for the seller). Sure, not every gets caught, damn, probably a small pecentage is, but there at least a deterrant exist so I have no idea why Baldy used that comparison.

[@DragoonWarrior790]

@@Sig509 Good point.