Why Is Nobody Talking About This?

[@CobusGreyling]

The real question isn't "why men are leaving the workforce" but "why are 95% of salaries not worth shit anymore" - what used to buy you a decent home and a livelihood that could feed a family barely pays a single dude's bills nowadays.

[@Triscraft]

I was talking to my dads aunt who is in her 90s the other day.. I was telling her about how excited i was to be moving to a new place with lower rent.. she told me how when she first moved into her house her rent was and im not kidding... £1.50, A MONTH... it sounds absolutly unbeliveable nowdays. Just imagine like going outside. finding a £5 note on the floor and being like "Cool thats my rent sorted for the next 3 months."

[@erwins_arm]

The billionaires need to pay for their 10 yachts somehow, come on!

[@RTXonerix]

@@Triscraft Exactly 👆

[@ChiliM4n]

​@@Triscraft when I looked at apartments to rent, I visited a 2 bedroom apartment for 1'700$. The building was a concrete "bunker" where the cellar was unusable due to mold. The toilets and kitchen were renovated, however the building itself was in a bad shape. Then a grandma came by on her bike. She told me she lived there 15 years ago and she paid 600$ a month. Basically what happened was that all around new modern buildings were built. They weren't allowed to tear down the building I visited because it was protected. So they just raised the price to match with the new buildings.

[@SplittingAtomsTV]

Exactly this. In the last 2 decades the price of living has multiplied, groceries cost many times more now, taxes and rents keep increasing, cost of energy and fuel is thru the roof, THE ONLY THING that does not rise with all the costs is our wages.

[@xVMouseVx]

-low pay -low value -low status -high stress -high standards -high pressure -no appreciation -no time -no future -no incentives -no significant other -no house -no support -no family Gee I wonder why men are opting out of working

[@dindunuphenwong]

-no fucks left to give

[@darkriku12]

When if both working and not working gets the same outcome, it's obvious what happens next.

[@Mr_Elevation]

@@darkriku12damn that’s a quote

[@positrack99]

This hasn't changed in 100 years. What changed is the laziness of the younger generations. I see the poor work ethic everyday.

[@Leandros135]

@@positrack99wrong

[@CountVonVlad]

The funniest thing about this news piece is that they never actually interview any young men in America on why they're choosing to stay unemployed It's only boomers and women giving their 2 cents. Fucking ridiculous.

[@AEB1066]

Most of the guys doing it aren't going to talk to researchers because they assume that they'll just be called toxic and problematic again.

[@PARAN0IDxGERBIL]

This is a fantastic point. It’s as if men who have checked out of society are this untouchable class that is not even to be spoken to. We can talk about them from a distance and discuss how they are a problem, but actually getting close enough to exchange words is out of the question.

[@chasemer6]

It’s because they don’t really care about this topic. It’s just a video that can make them money.

[@danilooliveira6580]

they are using statistics that they acquired by taking with men... how do you think they got their data ? thin air ?

[@ashersdad1755]

Because they dont care its only being talked about because there are both employers and female employees that dont like it

[@captainholy1558]

-looks at job listings -applies to all -No emails -no calls -no answers -men sad

[@Snerdles]

- women most affected

[@GregPiggot]

In the UK we have job centers and alot of the listings on the websites they tell you to apply from have been reposted for years lol. They are just there for the sake of it. Completely fake listings😂

[@captainholy1558]

@@GregPiggot *Puts on Tin Foil hat* Honestly, I think, it's just for these agency to report to the government, just to make the current administration, in charge, look good.

[@Darkness-l1b]

Story of my life . Degrees do nothing .

[@Dantethegrey621]

@@Snerdles get the hell out of here I’m not buying it

[@TheRealXartaX]

> Take away all future prospects for your people > People stop caring > Pikachu face

[@LaFonteCheVi]

*For men Literally everything that incentivizes men and makes them happy has been destroyed.

[@MiaMizuno]

For men? It really can be globally here.

[@DrHakennase]

Im a HVAc Guy in germany worked for 13 years in it and make good money. But i see no vision for the future. I got my 2 bikes some good cash in the bank and thats it

[@MacSmithvox]

​@MiaMizuno I'd agree that it's everyone, but men are by far the greatest affected.

[@erwins_arm]

Surprised Pikachu face*

[@clanmacmillan4483]

Juice ain't worth the squeeze. Whether you work full time or not, unless you're making 6 figures you're either living with a ton of roommates or home with your parents.

[@rogerbartley2225]

That's about the sum of it. The Juice just ain't worth the squeeze.

[@Under_The_Sun_Podcasts]

100%, and even making 100K and single, I won't try to buy a house due to BS rates and unaffordable inflation. Grats BlackRock!

[@niiteshayde]

Realest shit I’ve ever read 😅

[@Morfe02]

I think the Big problem is not just the prices but the fact is ALL service House? Pay rent Movies and series ? Pay suscription And a lot a lot of more shit like that you OWN nothing and consume

[@SH8M8N]

the top gon learn soon that if only a few minority can win in society, the majority will make sure nobody wins

[@MrFreonize]

Most men have realized that they are not going to get married and have a family, so the incentive to work hard is gone

[@agamersinsanity]

the market is changing as well and inflation

[@kazeith]

Idk about other mens, but I work so that I get money. I'm trying to not get married so that I can enjoy my hardwork money whatever I want. Call it selfish or individualist, I couldn't care less.

[@jeeperscrikey8269]

What are you talking about?

[@reanschwarzer2187]

@@kazeithright but you don’t need as much if it’s just you that’s the thing

[@raisti6608]

@@kazeith "Idk about other mens, but I work so that I get money." Come back when you have asked yourself, what you need this money for, besides consuming and fulfilling your own desires. If you reached that point, you suddenly realize how pointless it all is, when you don´t have someone besides you (if its a men/women/x doesn´t matter). Until then, enjoy your blissful ignorance ;) There is more to life than just consuming ;)

[@beefcheekz3845]

My dad saved up hella money and stopped working about a year or so ago. He’s been super happy. I’ve noticed a 180 in his happiness because of this. Even with him having 20 plus years as a maintenance mechanic for big machinery. Worked 12 hr days 6 days a week for as long as I can remember. I hope he never has to go back to work.

[@meddings222]

We are caught in the middle of " automation can replace a large portion of jobs, freeing people" and " if you don't work, you don't deserve to eat"

[@Nioclas64]

We are caught in the middle of automation and dirt-cheap foreign labor, with no third option because corporations and the government are destroying any small local businesses, the managerial class is the enemy of the native populations of every country, they will bring about an unholy union of corporatism for the rich and communism for the poor.

[@vulkanofnocturne]

@maltheri9833 I haven't noticed 'AI worship' just a new technology that could change work like the last time a new tech happened.

[@danilooliveira6580]

in the past automation created new opportunities, because it made living cheaper and opened new markets for people to apply themselves. but that trend stopped, now automation not just doesn't generate a net positive of new jobs, but also reduce job availability in some cases.

[@AJ-zy9jf]

You expect a free handout? Figure it out, there’s tons of jobs everywhere 😂

[@Skelterbane69]

@@AJ-zy9jf There may be jobs, but the employers ain't hiring. Try jobsearching for a week and you'll see it.

[@The_Man8719TwitchTV]

As a single dad raising my daughters solo I realized the odds are stacked against me in Canada when I sat down with my work-search case manager and she was trying to get me into a school/training initiative and to both our shock it was only for mothers. . . I told her maybe I should just identify as a mother ? She didn’t laugh 😬 Oh Canaduh 🇨🇦

[@BlueTiberium5198]

I laughed 😂

[@maugwei]

Brother we left Canada for Texas. So have any others. Get out while you can.

[@wiaf8937]

just do it. for your children's sake. lol Wishing you all the best, dude!

[@kawkasaurous]

No lie, do it. If they deny you then sue and live off the lawsuit money

[@misao6397]

Canada is a whole other circle of hell compared to our issues in the US. Honestly worth checking options to leave imo. It's just a worse version of the US.

[@mikelastname9583]

When I applied to be a firefighter, I had to get a 90% to pass the civil service test. Women had to get an 80% to pass the same entrance exam for equal opportunity. When I entered to boot camp for the reserves, women could be slower and weaker and have equal opportunity. I say either raise both to the men’s standards, lower to the women’s standards, or some new point. When I went back to college using the GI Bill for my degree in Chemistry, I applied for an internship during the summer between my junior and senior year. I was told that I couldn’t apply because I wasn’t female. Internships essentially guaranteed a job when you graduate. I have been also passed over for jobs because of my gender even though I was more qualified. I see it happen all the time.

[@qozia1370]

Yup. I'm my engineering course being a woman means multiple internships to choose from, while us men suffer for months to find an unpaid internship

[@Pikachu-kw4fv]

And I, as a female hate this because it is actively hindering progress. This is happening at universities as well but like these people are the people who do research for the future. Screw gender just get the person who is most qualified. And this applies to any field of work. You should want the best.

[@luizmonad777]

Just identify "as a woman", woman is a felling isn't ?

[@acemax1124]

When men are treated as disposable second citizens what do think will happen to that society 🤷🚩

[@explorerkiil]

@@luizmonad777 Had a friend of mine do this to get some of the privileges and it didnt go too well for him, some wouldnt accept, and the relationships between him and women on the accepted places were hellish

[@lobstermooch5365]

I work a factory job as a machine operator and a die setter. I own a house, a car, a savings, health insurance, retirement plan, etc. One girl i was in love with called me a loser and i have no ambition because i work in a factory. A lot of men go through the samething. No one cares for us.

[@shazzshank6393]

yet she probably works as a cashier lol ah i'm also sick of this world dude

[@shazzshank6393]

but if you really own a house etc it's really weird that someone called you that

[@lobstermooch5365]

@shazzshank6393 she had a pretty good job as an accountant. But she didn't even tell me the real problem. She told me a lie that stressed me out and i broke down crying in front of her a few times. She fake comforted me. She then broke up with me over this lie. And then later told me it was because I was a loser.

[@shazzshank6393]

@@lobstermooch5365 happened to me once or twice, but not any more, im too old to behave this way. She wasn't worth your tears bro, save them for someone worthy :)

[@xtrwombat4876]

These jobs expect you to sacrifice so much of your time and energy without anything in return. The modern workforce is absolutely ridiculous

[@gaius2451]

A culture that fosters hatred and resentment in its fighting age men is not one that is built to last.

[@youngc570]

Why the full court press for girlbosses.

[@NotYourEcho]

@@youngc570 Because the state sees that portion of the population as the easiest to manipulate. When women are polled, the #1 concern they have is fitting in with societal norms so they get group acceptance? Well, who has issued the majority of the hard referenceable rules for what's accepted/not ? A) Govt

[@stevenforrest4373]

When young men do not feel the love of a village, they will burn it down to feel it's warmth

[@xbrakx]

This is the point where a charismatic leader comes in, tells men they are valuable etc and creates an army of super devoted men willing to do the leaders bidding by whatever means necessary...

[@galixeesgrotto5805]

@@xbrakx You see this charismatic leader will more than likely be some rich guy that has sympathy and he will start an actual war. War is profitable and when everything is said and done there will probably be a clean slate at the end but then some guy will show up to get rid of this charismatic guy in the name of the good of the people. And the vicious cycle will continue. HOPEFULLY after the manipulators have been removed. But we all know that wont happen.

[@michaellombardi5831]

Men are tired of everyone shitting on them and telling them to like it.

[@antman9501]

its true, bro. women sit at home making millions on only fans and men work two jobs to earn not enough to even pay bills.

[@SweetOne968]

@@antman9501women don’t sit at home making millions from onlyfans. It’s only really the top 0.1% of women on onlyfans. So no woman is really making that kind of money. Instead, the school environment and the work environment heavily supports women because of feminism and this makes it a difficult environment for men to get involved in.

[@Tina-mt9cl]

You've had it good forever, it's our turn now. You can be offended or not like it but nobody cares how you feel, it is irrelevant, the harder you resist the worse it will be for you... Best just accept it.

[@madmerlot841]

Everyone being women.

[@pughpunk]

@@Tina-mt9cl lmfao what a joke

[@CondemnedInformer]

I can't buy a house. I can't support a family. I work to eat and rent. I hate my job and it's likely to be replaced by robots in the coming decade. No politician is talking about that fact that a huge portion of the working class has no higher education or skill outside of their vulnerable jobs, what happens to them?

[@PixelSubstream]

If it's anything like the time those miners lost their jobs. The answer is gonna be "learn to code." And spend 4 years getting used to a job that is going to be replaced with an AI anyways because everyone corporation is trying to undercut each other to the bottom

[@ktothej1]

Life’s a bitch and then you die. But hey, at least weed is legal in Canada so you can stay stoned as the world goes to shit.

[@scorpion07070]

"Learn to code" No wait, AI is killing those jobs too.

[@luizmonad777]

@@PixelSubstream you cannot learn to code in 4 years, it takes an entire decade to start to get good, people have no idea how absurdly hard it is, anyone can do simple mathematics like trigonometry, but being a mathematician is an entire different game. The demand for programmers was never that high to begin with, it was companies with 0% interest money just inflating the number of workers to prove that they're growing. Those weren't even doing anything useful. Now its all gone because 0% interest money isn't there. Also, Elon musk firing 85% of XTwitter and the thing still work as badly as before showed how bad people working there were. Real programmers aren't being replaced with AI, data entry clerks are, and frontend developers that create user interfaces, something that could already be automated without even using AI if people weren't that stupid. But C-suit managers need people to manage to justify their salary , even if their entire task is useless and could have been replaced by software already. Also the entire job of frontend is basically keep changing the interface of a site for no good reason every 6 months, its just busy work. Of curse the media is going to try to push, you learn how to code. But the quasm between 6 figures and them earning barely $30K/y is going to be brutal, and they're never going to be given the tasks that move you from a mere coder to becoming an engineer. How many technicians fix cars versus how many engineers work creating the cars, that's what's going to happen.

[@Sy0exec]

"Learn to code" is something you would have said 20 years ago. Too many programmers competing for the same jobs now.

[@RaffalJus]

Wasted my twenties studying and now I’m about to waste my thirties being unemployed.

[@Spartan-Of-Truth]

Same! 33 male here and this is why we’re starting to do our own thing. Be smart. Work against the rich. And build like-minded communities.

[@fintherebel5000]

I'm about to be 24 a few days from now and not even the crappy low paying jobs are hiring i have no future and i am probably gonna be stuck living at home for most of my life, Retirement is now next to impossible the cheapest rental near me is at $800-$900 a month and i don't see a reason to contribute to this society anymore there is no perks nor rewards for doing so its only abuse and straight up mental torture.

[@justinbailey1756]

That's alrignt , they'll be plenty of work for you by your retirement age. No need to rush anything you're going to need your energy

[@timgibney5590]

Do something. ANYthing! I discovered "Larry Winget Shut Up STop Whinning and GET A LIFE" when I was in my 30s and that book changed me. I got anygry and took every temp job and 12/hr job I could get for awhile. In the old days getting a college degree gave you a crappy job but in an office instead of a factory or mcdonalds. You need to take the bad jobs and then grow out of them after you can show HR you can make it

[@jackmclane1826]

What did you study? Gender "studies" and psychology? Certainly not welding and engineering.

[@getouttamyrowboat5658]

Women being given everything in the workspace is a big problem. I've worked as a machine operator at my current job for 10 years on 50k a year and was happy until 2 years ago. No body ever gets bumped up to a better job yet 2 years ago we got the first woman to work on the shop floor and she was instantly sent on courses and bumped up to the best paying job. They Ignore the fact she can't do most of the job because it's too heavy and now pay her close to 6 figures. The point where I fully knew I was leaving the place Is when they got the second woman on the shop floor. She has been there for about 3 months and has instantly been picked to go on courses to train as and engineer/fitter in the factory. Something they have NEVER done in the 25 years the company has been running. That coupled with the constant real time pay cuts year on year are reason enough for me to take my efforts elsewhere.

[@Spacecadet690]

dont tell them why youre wuitting, just figure something out and give em the 2weeks.

[@BrutusAlbion]

@@joodajoo Way to miss the point and focus only on your ideology

[@Adamantos-Elean]

YOU NEED TO SUE THEM FOR GENDER DESCRIMINATION, THEY WILL SETTLE.

[@Adamantos-Elean]

@@joodajoo and you are the reason society will continue to crumble.

[@BrutusAlbion]

@@Adamantos-Elean You need to be able to prove it. Unless they explicitely say it (and have it recorded) or have it written down, you have no case.

[@sentryscrub]

As a male in my prime age working. Nothing makes me feel more appreciated at my job like the pizza party for all my hard work. I asked for a higher raise but that would cut into the pizza party budget.

[@libertyprime5965]

You guys get pizza parties? I sell a quarter million dollars of product every 2 months, and I have never had a pizza party or any thing above my 50k a year salary

[@MeatVessel]

But what if it’s pepperoni? That’s better than earning more to support a family right?

[@UniqueTechnique29]

Stuffed Crust?

[@MrDiscreet100]

For me it’s bagel day 😂

[@XiaolinDraconis]

This guy is forklift certified, he clearly knows how things work.

[@Dadum-bass]

You can either not work and be poor, or you can work and be poor. And everyone wonders why no one wants to work.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

It's not even that. I want a job, but contract jobs often do not even last a month and they lay you off, but over here you can't return to unemployment for a few months once you picked up any job. Unemployment provides healthcare, and healthcare provides me with affordable meds for asthma.

[@cakatica88]

Right, work 40+ hours a week and a whole months pay check won't even cover rent for a studio apartment, let alone utilities and food. If I can't pay my bills either way, might as well go with the option I can get the most enjoyment out of, it's my one life and I'll be damned if I spend a third of it making some lazy, overly wealthy, not doing shit, douchebag more money, while they toss me pennies

[@DreaMeRHoLic]

I just watch/read educational things half the day, do a little workout and then take my time to cook my own healthy food (germany not US by the way) I worked most of my life but I'm tired of the missing respect while I do most of the others peoples work as well, because they are busy thinking about how they can find a way to make others do their work. Most of the time i just say "why isnt that done? Ok, i do it myself real quick..." but nobody ever says "thx for doing what i should've done weeks ago" but the next time this situation comes up they will then say "well, last time you did it, so this time you can do it as well... i really got a lot on my hand". The last time I worked I called the person out and it went to HR and they confirmed that i was right but forced me to do it anyway and the person who complained got promoted while they just offered me an extrention of my contract that i didnt accept. I know from ex coworkers that the company has lots of problems again, because nobody is there to fix problems anymore, because as a former "raid leader" I was able to overlook and solve issues in teams and create structure+ helm out where help was needed. Now they just got people who yell if things dont work... I'm not sorry for beeing lazy and happy. Today i watched how AI is used to research the language of animals (whales and elefants for example) and I'm thinking about joining the coding project "earthspecies dot org" I'm so done dealing with peoples problems all the time

[@phillipkoch5751]

I understand the healthcare part of welfare but if you're healthy why would you want to just do nothing!! Even a low paying job would have to be better than being broke and rotting away doing nothing. Just sitting around all day doing nothing would drive me insane. I'm in Australia we get paid by the government if we can't find a job so it's different. If you're on welfare here you can get up to $400 a week paid into you're bank account.

[@sk8legendz]

@@cakatica88 your ending comment of not enriching another while you slave in poverty is really the big thing here. nobody is getting anything out of this. we were sold a false bill of goods and everyone is seeing it now

[@teosandev6116]

Since women are underrepresented on the front lines in wars, both historically and currently, I feel we should rectify the situation.

[@AdviceandAdventures]

😂

[@The_world_is_not_worthy_of_Him]

Don't worry, the new draft law got that covered.

[@Matthew-zu6tm]

Equally in Arlington.

[@flinch622]

Liz could use the experience, I hear.

[@salkoharper2908]

Every company only wants to hire 3 types of people. 1. Top 10% highly educated White collar. 2. Women who have been given artificial leg up. 3. Migrants who will work for slave wages.

[@Brandon-pi4hg]

4. Minorities who have been given an artificial leg up. Single white males get the stick the worst but you're wrong for saying that

[@sk8legendz]

10000000%

[@NotYourEcho]

*DING!* *DING!* *DING!*

[@EBMproductions1]

Wow the slave wages one hits hard man as i see it in my country and i do bouts of recruitment so i see the numbers.

[@Lucyhehe_]

Do something only you can do for work then Stop competing for jobs that billions of other ppl can do too

[@codeelkins]

I'm a guy in STEM research, and I agree with Asmon. I hear the phrase "We need more women in STEM" all the time, despite over half graduate school enrollments being women. Not to mention specific research grants intended only for women. So you do get a sense that the cards are stacked against you as a guy, whether it's true or not. So I think that incentive structure is definitely a factor, because it distracts away from a merit based system.

[@ghevisartor6005]

I hope you speak up everytime that braindead phrase is said. I dont care if you risk your job, you are enabling such misandric rethoric.

[@Broomer52]

The grand irony is rather than equality women have just placed men into the same position women used to be in.

[@messybutmeaningful]

Whether it's true or not? We can establish it is true, so no need to be modest.

[@butwhytharum]

i mean how much does OF pay vs being a scientist? fuck you pay me. comes to mind when it comes to this...

[@churblefurbles]

and its the rule, "what have they done", nothing of note at all.

[@AiisakaTaiiga]

new generations are tired of the rat race, because they don't even dingle a piece of cheese at the end.

[@cic3000]

underrated comment

[@hotrodhunk7389]

Yeah I was in a really good union before. Pension the whole works. After 4 years I looked at my pension fund. I only had 1.75 years invested into it... You don't lock it in until 5 years vested. And the more I looked around guys around 3 to 4 years they would be looking at them like a hawk for any reason to fire them. Once guys got past 5 years they seem to chill out on it. But I see their business model. Promise you everything and then more. But you barely get any work even though you're making tons of money per hour it doesn't add up to much at the end of the year. Then most likely unless you're the most strict rule follower ever. They'll find some BS reason to fire you.

[@jkenwell]

New generations never developed a work ethic. They don't want to work and they shop at outfits that automate and provide the absolute minimum of jobs. New generations just need the shovel to bury themselves.

[@DeathlyQuietVA]

Wait. THERES NO CHEESE!! ANGY!

[@Nioclas64]

I work the bare minimum now because I got tired of working 24/7 showing up early staying late being the best employee etc, only to not get promoted because 'we can't replace your current position' or not getting a raise because 'corporate won't let us' only to then be immediately offered a raise when I try to quit showing that my bosses could have gotten me a raise and just didn't want to ask or try, not get any reward, or have employees who don't do any work or don't even show up half the time get treated great. In contrast, I have to deal with female bosses that are talking shit behind my back, stirring the pot, asking me to do literally everything, writing me up when I haven't broken any rules, etc It is a rat race to the bottom. It is clear that if you don't put in any effort or care you will not only be paid the same but treated better than those who care and try their hardest.

[@Fefnefef]

"women do better in a failing school system" oh fucking amazing

[@1alayzzia]

My son was one of two people who got a chamber of commerce scholarship. When we went to the dinner, we sat at the same table as the other recipient. The other mother gushed to me about her sons field of study. (Humanities). She then asked me what my son would be studying. Once I I told her that he was to become a motorcycle mechanic, she stopped talking to me. There is no respect for the physical jobs that keep this world running. A bunch of poor and middle class people have become mindless idiots by buying brand name bags and sending their kids into outrageous debt to pay for ridiculous degrees. We live in a world where an HR manager gets more respect than a plumber.

[@raidtheferry]

By no stretch of the imagination do I personally respect an HR manager even 1/100th as a mechanic. Believe me, I hear you, and as absolutely true your sentiment is, there still does exist those that haven't fully bought into this contemporary bullshit. I'm just barely hanging on and honestly this gave me a little nudge to keep fighting this fight, thank you. I'm sure your son is a great man.

[@captain5104]

Speaking of plumber....reminds me of this story how a guy (plumber) got called at 1am for an urgent job. Some fellas toilet system clogged and busted and backflowed into his house flooding the bathroom and about to flood his living room. Plumber heeded the call and when he arrived the homeowner answered the door and gave him a condescending look and said, "Damn, you sure do have a pathetic job". Plumber just walked away and went home. I think these type of folks can't learn even when they're about to drown in shit....they just have to drown and hopefully others will learn from the fools corpse.

[@1alayzzia]

@captain5104 That is an awesome story! It makes me very happy. More men need to do this. I know it's hard when you have a sense of responsibility to your job. For the reason in that story, I personally worship plumbers, lol! And lineman and garbage collectors and sewer workers and all of the men who make it work.

[@1alayzzia]

@raidtheferry I could be delusional here, but I think it might actually be changing. Companies and society in general are beginning to realize that they don't need all the useless jobs. The DEI crap is starting to fall. Hopefully, they'll get the hint that it's far better for the section manager to do the hiring than some idiot chick who has no concept of what the job is. My son and his contemporaries are around twenty-four years old. They all have real productive jobs and have no respect for those who do not. I guess society has become so stupid that the natural inclination of the young to rebel is turning them into sensible people l o l.

[@bluebird3670]

I’d argue that being a plumber is harder but pays better than being an HR manager. In the end of the day too the HR manager is going to bed stressed and mad at everything and the plumber is going to bed with a good workout and a good paycheck. Blue collar is underrated and misunderstood but it’s hard mentally and physically.

[@wojak168]

I'm a former corporate recruiter, almost all the postings companies had us make were ghost jobs to "fill the pipeline" and the ones that were "real" were already filled by a candidate the hiring manager preselected, usually a college friend or an extended family member of theirs or some other company employee, we were forced to conduct interviews with people already knowing they were going to be rejected purely as a formality and eventually all the companies we worked for shut down their recruiting departments, fired all the recruiters and outsourced their fake recruiting process to Indians overseas

[@Tiwack01]

shit should be illegal

[@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato]

Im a guy who wants a job I can tell you, its not lack of wanting to work Its employers refusing to hire people cause lack of job experience or connections

[@DeShawnGreen2001]

@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkratoits easier then ever for companies to bitpick when potential employees are literally broken down to a success/fail percentage.

[@JackCarsonite]

​@@Tiwack01H1B and J1 visa Fraud is illegal. Our justice system has gone woke.

[@rasgotiriebud]

You did that to people? I’m glad they fired y’all then

[@borismaric130]

Most of them think what's the point work hard for average pay and you still cant buy house or get a wife men used to work hard for their families

[@Kasuar-s6v]

exactly there's no PURPOSE and forget about retirement

[@jamesjonnes]

You can't have a wife even if you have money because she'll divorce you for dissatisfaction after a couple of years.

[@Nioclas64]

I wouldn't risk getting married anyway, if they leave you they'll take half your money and stuff, better to just keep her as a girlfriend so you'll only have to pay childsupport, and fight for full custody so you don't have to pay her that because they never spend it on the kid, if your kid needs stuff its better to pay for it directly.

[@andrewgrow5711]

this is exactly the reason 40 years ago you could work a summer job to put yourself through college NOW, work hard and you still can't afford education still can't afford a home/property can't afford health insurance, dental/vision can't put your kids through college and you can't make any kind of retirement Work hard for nothing, or don't work same result

[@Tonicshades]

@@andrewgrow5711Eventually mass people are gonna start taking empty homes, you don't want to make it affordable well now it's free.

[@nightfall1152]

Bro why work 40 hours a week when you can't even afford a house , a family , nice things , vacation . We happy with our side jobs or temporary jobs

[@The_world_is_not_worthy_of_Him]

"Bro why work" --40 hours a week when you can't even afford a house , a family , nice things , vacation . We happy with our side jobs or temporary jobs-- fixed it

[@nightfall1152]

@@The_world_is_not_worthy_of_Him XD

[@TheStrengthScholar]

There's not really a win condition for a lot of men in our society. Men primarily work so they can get a house get married and have kids but almost 50% of marriages end in divorce and being able to buy a house is out of reach. Men don't need much to be happy when they don't have to provide for a family so they do the bare minimum. On top of that they can essentially choose between being in poverty while working 40 hours a week or being in poverty while doing nothing because wages are so low.

[@cryptdk2400]

My win condition is death. That's the day I stop having to work and can sit around doing nothing.

[@ohjay7612]

nailed it

[@TheStrengthScholar]

​@@cryptdk2400 God, I relate to that. Like, even when you're making above the median wage where I live you are just making enough to perpetually pay rent and never own a house. Apparently we live in a society where "we will own nothing and be happy" I'm still waiting for the happy part.

[@cryptdk2400]

@@TheStrengthScholar I'm working on purchasing my older sister's 1 bedroom house, and if it works out I'll be living off of about $500 (after bills but before gas/food expenses) for every two weeks. This is with a full time job doing computer programming which is technically a "skilled" job. We're beyond F'ed.

[@TheCappucinochannel-os4ne]

The real number is 25% . Take into account repeat offenders. But just to put into context how shit that still is you have less of a chance to end up with your spouse than surviving D day.

[@silasroberto6121]

The "funny" thing about gender diversity on jobs is that male dominated jobs are made more acessible to woman, but female dominated jobs are not made acessible for men.

[@topophil]

No male teachers, for instance. Maybe that also has an impact on all of this? Hmmmm

[@haoujudai]

That's the whole purpose of DEI. To exclude men out of jobs.

[@marikishtar]

Gynocentrism lol, but if we point it out, we are the "incels"

[@jasonyun1158]

@@donventura2116had bunch of females friends starting from grade school to college end up being a teacher. Most of my male friends are either unemployed, or working in STEM fields. Also the standard for teachers are low because there are more low income and areas that don’t care about their kids education like inner city Philly and Chicago. I had to volunteer at a local middle school in Philly, and 8th graders had no clue how to do multiplication or division. 8th graders.

[@Keel_Ur-Zelph]

@@topophil Most of my teachers in life were males. Is it really that bad in the good ol' US of A?

[@Arnaere]

I like how the boomer lady just jumped to claiming that you're mentally ill if you don't work for 10$ an hour as a delivery boy with zero benefits, constant disrespect from society,and no prospects for advancement. Companies in her day would pay for training and pay several times over the dollar value of what we're paid today. Unreal statements.

[@caesarczech7920]

She is trying to gaslight people into being obedient slaves

[@theredscourge]

In her day, there were 50 applicants for every job but homes were cheap. Now there's help wanted signs everywhere but homes are expensive.

[@rogerm3708]

The average woman is an economic deficit and now that men are competing with them, it affects them most

[@SynodicDelta]

Talk about being out of touch. Employers scrape the bottom of the barrel on purpose to save money. Then complain about the quality of the work etc instead of -investing- in their companies by offering entry positions and training etc.

[@xChimkin]

she's a boomer. it's a given

[@elenhin]

My experience is that the workers generally have far higher IQ than the bosses, but they also have a conscience. Which those soulless creeps and psychopaths do not have. They climb to the top on top of corpses.

[@YawaruSan]

My depression isn’t going to be cured by job training, and I’m so sick of people that only care about men’s health insofar as they need men to do things for them. The core of the problem is this: society doesn’t want to help men, it wants to “fix” them and I don’t want to be fixed. If this is all society has to offer, I’ll pass.

[@TheAwesomeness1123]

Job training to a well paid career that you can support yourself and then some can definitely help cure depression. No sitting in the training won’t but having a better life will.

[@Votlon]

Stay strong my dude, your worth it

[@jacknickolstine3355]

Yeah, like a toxic woman who actually hates who you are but likes the way you look.

[@metalhead11t6]

I had a huge argument with my lady over this shit. "I've always thought that men...." Bullshit, you want someone to do it for you cause it's a perpetuated, out dated practice of gender roles in our society. Needless to say, a break up is near and she will learn ALLLLLL the things that I did when they go undone.

[@엉덩이먹는사람]

I'm really not trying to be an asshole, but you *can* cure your depression by yourself, if you believe otherwise, then there's the problem

[@Under_The_Sun_Podcasts]

Having Children is directly related to this. Before, Families would grind jobs they hated specifically to have a better life for their children. If I do not have children, that motivation does not exist.

[@dreamerlotus]

Goes full circle because raising a child now is financially diabolical with childcare being astronomically expensive, grandparents and parents still having to work past retirement.

[@Under_The_Sun_Podcasts]

@@dreamerlotus I never wanted children but it almost seems like it's being purposely discouraged recently, which is never good.

[@SHISH_STYLE]

​@@dreamerlotusit's not diabolical, it's actually the easiest it's ever been in history

[@Nurix09]

​@@dreamerlotusyeah, many people just straight up cannot afford having children.

[@davidstephens3235]

Nah, there are plenty of kids with deadbeat parents.

[@sirtrevis]

As someone else on here said, Boomers and a chick talking about young men's problems with no consultation with young men. Wolves talking about the sheep's problems.

[@rooster1012]

Incels that want to sit home and play video games while their mom still takes care of them at age 30 is the problem, I left home at 17 joined the Army and never looked back these losers nowadays are just plain lazy and that is the fact.

[@sweatywraith8242]

Wow almost like old white men have been doing this forever.

[@erastal]

​@@sweatywraith8242 so because white men have been doing this since the before times, men now don't get to be in the conversation because of something their grandparents did? Are you one of those people that didn't get a college education?

[@leinonibishop9480]

And you’re just as wrong as the other person. They consulted experts that have been studying this field for years (which means they’re older) and they referred to a questionnaire filled out by the younger men about why they aren’t working @ 2:20.

[@einfachignorieren6156]

​@@sweatywraith8242juicish not wyp pepo

[@ProfliteYoutube]

dude, i have BEEN expressing my experience that the workforce is over saturated and the housing market is just STUPID. my city is currently spending millions on new apartment homes everywhere and NO NEW JOBS ANYWHERE. not only that but I'm a skilled certified blue collar worker and I get turned away from every job.

[@Taskarnin]

If you’re a contractor they’ll pay through the nose for you

[@shazmodeus2795]

why would working age men continue to participate in a society that on the daily tells them how much they hate them? That's the real question.

[@milan51259]

Applicant should not worry too much. He will be long fired before he gets a raise, mobbed out from friends&family colleagues, who work for themselves and the boss, and he will never reach being 65 in that company anyways.

[@michaelfinger6303]

cause thats what men do, get the f... on with it and make it anyway...

[@mchonkler7225]

So I can buy more guns and build a compound in the woods.

[@milan51259]

@@mchonkler7225 Squirrels like: omg. he's back again. Go, go, go!!!

[@shazmodeus2795]

@@mchonkler7225 I like your thinking.

[@Pandaoniman]

They skip the fact that the adjusted wage for these men with at least a bachelor's degree rose $6,000, while the cost of living has more than doubled. Of course, skirt the fact that unskilled labor jobs that exist are being given to illegals who can afford to be paid less, due to special government assistance and incentive programs. Of course, don't forget that the largest male demographic by race has no incentive programs for education assistance or hiring.

[@TheDocLamkin]

Yeah bro this is some dumb shit. If they no longer need unskilled labor why are they importing it by the millions?

[@Kanaleah]

The people steering the ship are incompetent, driven solely by emotions, and what feels good. When this problem gets too much of a burden, it will snap, and it will snap as disastrously as it ever possibly could. They will be wondering for decades why, because they could never see the answer staring them in the face. Because they don't want to admit the truth, and never will.

[@Kanaleah]

​@@TheDocLamkinThey need it, they just don't want to pay fair wages for it. They're there to make voting blocks and cheap labor. Serfdom, basically.

[@momatotsosrorudodi]

​@@KanaleahThey're not incompetent, they're malevolent. They're perfectly capable when they want to.

[@geoxeph]

Taxation is theft

[@jayhosh8126]

I just want mfs to know, it isnt because you failed, the country failed you, corporations fucking it all up. I've done A LOT and suffered A LOT and have hit 6 digits at one point just to still live with parents due to costs of everything and the rocky unstable workplaces. I'm 34. It's absolute BS and you aren't alone at all.

[@Robert_D_Mercer]

THANK YOU; finally another f'ing MAN in the comments. it's torture. it's literally hell. Yet people like asmon, the people sitting in front of a PC talking enjoy the fruits of our labor.

[@Hoodini0126]

I'm the same age and this is the realest shit ever.

[@skdeathxlife]

@@Robert_D_Mercer Yes asmon is the problem not your government fr fr

[@ahardcorejedi2968]

Needed this. 34 married 2 kids in a trailer I can bearly afford atleast we are happy with one another

[@zecharius]

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." - JFK I do believe we are at a point where we must now ask: what the fck has this country done for us, after all what we have done for it? Nay, I won't even include myself: after what you guys, the hardworking people, have done for this country, what is this audacity to spit on your hard work?

[@AbigailOliviaq4l]

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[@SophiaChloé6f]

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[@LoganGabriel6m]

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[@bmbmw69]

Men work for a family. The family has been destroyed by our society.

[@Ohenry92]

That's what FOX wants you to think. In reality they aren't getting paid enough. See the Boeing Machinist strike as a great example. No one wants to do factory work for $26/hour in Seattle.

[@Hertz2laugh]

Men let the family get destroyed. Too busy consuming social media, burning time being entertained instead of producing anything, and chasing streaming careers.

[@gtertgvsdfv4904]

family destroyed by society, what are you talking about??

[@dfwTxRen3Gade]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Hertz2laugh our government is literally subsidizing single parent households. Literally incentivizing women to divorce their husbands in return for government benefits. Please explain to me how the “Men let the family system get destroyed” when there are numerous contributing factors besides irresponsible, non-present fathers.

[@Oskar-sr3lq]

True

[@digitalsublime]

It's not automation, not yet, it's lack of incentives, men used to sacrifice for a girl, family, to buy the house, for a future. When all that is unachievable for different reasons incentives are gone. So the conclusion some get is, why even try? if I can scrape by living with my parents or doing occasional work.

[@mtpender69]

There's no carrot any more, only the stick.

[@digitalsublime]

@@mtpender69 and we ourselves hold the stick... funny

[@GodWorksOut]

That was all an illusion anyway. It’s not real happiness. Most men have realized when all their needs are satisfied, and after they pursue their wants, there is no reason to work more. I make enough to pay my bills 6 months in advance, invest 30% of my money, and enjoy my hobbies. There is no need to do more. I’m doing fine.

[@digitalsublime]

@@GodWorksOut It varies on location... where I live economics are shit

[@sten260]

well if your parents are willing to pay all the bills and you can just live in their house until retirement sure, but most parents are not going to agree to this unless you pay your share (which means you need money, which means you need job)

[@gabrielpro4671]

As someone who works 6x1, Just don't fall for this trap, I don't have a life, I can't workout or take a decent day off because the only day to rest I need to try to fully recover. Modern slavery.

[@Stopaskingwhyandjustreadit]

That sucks. I hope the magical genie you're waiting for to save you and change your life for the better shows up soon.

[@xandrixcreed]

​@@StopaskingwhyandjustreaditWow. I bet your fun at the parties you don't get invited to.

[@-illusion2d-116]

@@xandrixcreedAyy he is a dick but he isn’t wrong. Having a job without having a plan is planning to have no financial security

[@lxs077]

I used to work like that, not worth it. Now I look for the easiest job I could get and try to enjoy the smaller things in life lol

[@SirBladewind]

Bro break out like I did. Find a trade. I swallowed my pride and went into nursing and now I make enough money I can actually relax a little. I still work long hours but that's mostly because I care about my patients and co workers. It's not about the money. And I don't hate my job anymore. Find a trade you enjoy or get a STEM job and you'll be so much happier.

[@bub6871]

The problem isn't the work, it's the pay when you look at inflation. I can't afford to live alone unless I live in the ghetto, and then I'm one problem away from losing monopoly and just going back to my parents. And then add in I'd be alone because dating is insane. None of this is worth it.

[@gregniel]

"We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives." ~Chuck Palahniuk

[@BugTrainerCody]

~Tyler Durden Fight club

[@AlexanderAudition201]

This is a wise man who knows this quote.

[@Mageblood]

If only we were drafted in a world war, that'd be so cool

[@EBMproductions1]

Read my mind add in a bit of the purge and we see what is coming. Again i will always say Fight club was ahead of its time.

[@doubledoubleusmokymirror4d405]

We aren't even real anymore

[@SH-ev3vx]

A study was done with a class at a school. They "took" the good grades from the A and B students, dropped them down to C grade in order to "redistribute" to the D and F students a boost them also to C grades. The A and B students had common sense and decided it was unfair to work hard if they only get a C, so they did shoddy work or no work at all. Soon enough everyone was getting F grades because there was no high grades to take and redistribute. Sound like a familiar economic/governmental situation?

[@pkmntrainernumbers8111]

B-b-b-but that's not the REAL way. You just gotta try again and it'll work this time 🙄

[@Ouvii]

Too bad grades can be earned solely through hard work. Wages are already the way you describe in the experiment: there are so many workplaces where you are lazy and get paid the same as the hard worker. You don't get a higher wage for working harder unless your pay works the way that it should (it usually doesn't unless you are self employed or something.)

[@josephbrown9685]

Great explanation of why socialism does not work.

[@resti409]

communism/socialism is about equal conditions, where everyone has the same start. That is, some students went to a tutor before school, and others did not. The goal is to give everyone a tutor, and not to equalize their grades at school.

[@redridingcape]

​@@Ouvii There are jobs where your work can actually be tracked quantitatively. My recent job was picking orders for food in a refrigerated warehouse using a headset. They tracked your picking speed and you had to get at least 90% of the standard quota to not get fired, if you got above 100% you got incentive pay and if you kept your month average above 100% you become eligible to be trained on other jobs in the warehouse. That job had a LOT of turnover, lol.

[@buddylord3276]

There is less incentive to work. Higher suicidality in men, lower testosterone, higher unemployment, higher levels of depression Etc These are different bullets from the same gun

[@vukkulvar9769]

If they want men to work, raise wages and solve housing crisis.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Sadly Women are proudly declaring they don't need men. One of them even presented to me how Mckay is creating an all Female Rigging team this last February.b They'll all regret it.

[@Morfe02]

@@buddylord3276 bad education Not "degree" im talking about House family education And the list continues

[@TheEZOOD]

Don’t forget the millions of illegals mostly male being imported from 3rd world countries.

[@digitalsublime]

It's not automation, not yet, it's lack of incentives, men used to sacrifice for a girl, family, to buy the house, for a future. When all that is unachievable for different reasons incentives are gone. So the conclusion some get is, why even try? if I can scrape by living with my parents or doing occasional work.

[@flipletape9706]

Can't believe the mental gymnastic they'll convince themselves of just to avoid realizing that they need to pay people more.

[@flipletape9706]

It's basicaly mental illness at this point. They rather lose more money trying not to lose a little money. Meanwhile their CEOs are clearing amounts of money nobody would dream of for the same amount of work if not less. I bet they're enjoying it now. But it's just a matter of time before it collapses spectacularly for them.

[@emultra759]

Think of it in the gaming term "breakpoint". If a two-handed sword does 40 damage, it needs 2 hits to take out an enemy with 50 HP. You need +25% to get to 50 damage, so anything less than that is effectively wasted effort. This is what's happening to young(ish) people's earnings. They have no reason to work harder if it doesn't result in e.g. buying a house. If you're stuck renting an apartment no matter what you do, it makes sense to work LESS instead of more and enjoy the additional free time instead. Of course, this means no family formation, no future, and eventually no civilization. So that's a problem. But don't blame young people for abandoning a grind that used to yield a house but now only yields burnout.

[@bobowon5450]

that's one thing i've noticed where i live. Either you are homeless, or you're a rich home owner, and basically nothing exists between. the gap is so huge that why even bother putting in effort if it isn't going to get you over that cliff?

[@riordanbrown9557]

are you a vermintide 2 gamer? thats the only community ive heard this term from

[@tgs5725]

@@riordanbrown9557 The term "breakpoint"? It's in any game with RPG elements. I mean literally every game lol.

[@martinsch]

You are so right. I'm fine with my salary as a single dude, but in order to buy a house and be able to support two children I'd have to double my income and work until close to the point of retirement first. I probably won't be able to even get kids at that point, so there is one potential motivation to work harder eliminated. Better to just minimize work time so I can play through all the Yakuza games before Putin blows up the planet instead.

[@Luminousplayer]

I love gaming examples lol

[@screenname7140]

dehumanising job, unsatisfactory wages, no pride in life

[@SenpaimustNotice]

W take comrade

[@xecyc7951]

Literally all there is to it, but 90% of the comments here are about blaming DEI and women lol, you can tell that these people don't get out of their houses. Gotta use their own rhetoric against themselves, comments like these will fly over their dumb heads

[@SenpaimustNotice]

@@xecyc7951 I think it's insane how they see their standard of living plummeting and instead of blaming the powers that be, they just turn their anger into an in group, in this case women, immigrants stealing the jobs etc. people in the same position as them

[@quiethate]

I got my first 40 hour full time job a week ago last year. On the application it stated “17-18/hr to start.” I’ve been here a week over the year I’ve been here, no raise, still at 16. Take 1 day off I lose half my check. I’m miserable.

[@phoenixfire8226]

@@xecyc7951 it's not women's fault, it's the systems in place that discriminate against men in favor of women, and also against white men in favor of minorities that are leading to the current crisis. when this branch breaks it's going to be absolutely catastrophic, and i don't think we're more than a decade or two away.

[@mtpender69]

There's no carrot any more, only the stick.

[@SurfingSerpent]

And you best prepare to get WHACKED BOWAH! It really shouldn't be this way.

[@agamersinsanity]

i would say the stick is gone as well. x)

[@mugthemagpie3001]

Wage slavery. It is called wage slavery.

[@mtpender69]

@@agamersinsanity The stick got off-shored.

[@azorahigh3218]

I said that exact phrase to a manager once. She laughed for a few seconds, then the hamster wheel started turning, she walked away with a confused look and never gave me much shit after that.

[@ramboturkey1926]

im my welding class in high school we had a recruiter come in for oil pipeline welders and the only person he talked to was the one chick that was just there to sleep through the class and get credit

[@sirisaac6225]

Maybe he was flirting 😨

[@ElectricityTaster]

HR bullshit and employment interviews that force you to become some sort of actor even for a fast food job is not exactly helping.

[@lilbench5834]

Its a Game u gotta play along with, When Applying for a Job, When going to court to fight a Case, When getting a girlfriend, Its all a Chess Move and u gotta play Actor

[@dindunuphenwong]

how dare you not want to get paid less to hate your job and be nice to everyone that hates you and your job and pretend to be happy while nobody cares

[@Stej-i7m]

Yeah the whole resume system is crazy to me, you have to do everything perfect or it might get scrapped. Quite soulless if you ask me

[@ElectricityTaster]

@@lilbench5834 OK. Want this bottle of milk for your cereal? Do the dance. I'm the cashier. DO THE DANCE.

[@nikolaizaicev9297]

@@Stej-i7m It is not "soulless" it is plainly dumb, due to the system's laws and interdependency. People's performance is not an island, it is a network, connected to the performance of other people. You might hire a top performer, and he will suck badly, because Johny, his buddy who did all the dirt work for him in an old company is not there anymore. Take a dude with worst performance you have ever seen, put him in a group where everyone is trying to help other ones, and you might get an A star performance out of him. The whole dumb idea of tryint to select "good" workers, stems from false theories and principles. But they try to repeat that over and over, because as you saw in the video, the amount of money spent ot training is not even a 1% of GDP.

[@shaun1293]

Most labour jobs weren't automated, they were outsourced.

[@bladedicedragon]

The few that aren’t outsourced are mostly automated

[@austinm5630]

Most labor jobs were both, actually. When they moved the Ford Explorer factory from Michigan to Mexico (one of the very few that got outsourced to Mexico actually, most go to southeast Asia) they also reduced the headcount. What used to take nearly 2,000 Americans to build now takes less than 300 Mexicans to build, and they produce 20% more of them in the same time. This makes sense, when you think about it. While you're already incurring the expense to move a whole factory across the world, why the hell wouldn't you spend just a little more and replace the workforce with machines that require neither vacations nor health insurance? As long as you're going to have downtime in production, you might as well make the most of it. Still, it's usually both. The idea that the vast majority of job loss is the fault of immigrants or outsourcing is a political talking point with zero basis in data. And if you want to place blame where it REALLY belongs, the correct target if your ire would be Wall Street. Companies that aren't publicly traded almost never engage in this kind of activity. If they don't need to juice quarterly profits every quarter, they don't do crap like this. The day the NYSE is closed down for good the entire world will improve, if only marginally.

[@juancarlosflores7376]

Specially with the influx that we had.

[@UpToSpeedOnJaguar]

Low skill manual labor jobs are automated. High skill manual labor jobs are automated.

[@bprosperie]

@@austinm5630 Outsourcing and immigration is certainly the reason for the suppression of wages, how could you argue otherwise? If we didn't import labor, CPI would be over 100% the last four years

[@stinkyseabass]

Love when boomers tell me "You're just lazy" . I'm so fucking tired of older generations calling us lazy. I graduated high school top of my class, have been working since the age of 15 (now 30). Excelled at EVERY job I've ever had. You know what that got me? MORE WORK AND NO MORE MONEY. We are not going to continue to work our asses off while others get to "check boxes" for these large corporate companies and get paid the same to do 1/3 of the work. We are TIRED. Once we all decide it's not worth us breaking our backs to achieve the same outcome others are getting doing nothing, it's over. And I surely don't need a 65 year old who could provide for his whole family with a HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION telling me I'm lazy.

[@ronaldmcdonald9322]

🔥 💯

[@redridingcape]

I'm curious, what did you do with the money you earned? It sounds like our life trajectories were similar, but I ended up with a ton of money saved up. I'm 27 and have 60k saved for retirement, 20k saved for an emergency fund, and 80k saved up for buying a house. I started working in the summers from 14 to 18, wasted 2 years in college then dropped out, then I've been working with no college degree since then and saved up my money. I haven't made more than 55k per year so far.

[@stinkyseabass]

@@redridingcape well considering I never made anything over $15/hr until the age of 22 due to my stateswages ranking among the lowest in the country, I was never able to save much money. I literally had to tell myself I was deserving enough to spend the little money I did have saved to get a car I liked, which was about 22k that I had paid off by the time I was 25. The problem is the wages here compared to the cost of living does not enable you to be able to save money. This becomes a very depressing rut where you cannot save enough to move to a location to give yourself more opportunity. Im not saying I’m the best at saving money and I’m sure there’s always things I could have done to squeeze a little more out, but that would be living a life of extreme frugalness that I was not willing to undergo due to the fact that I could die tomorrow in a car crash on my way to my horrible job. Yes I want to make it out but I also want to feel a little alive ya know?

[@TheShadowBannedBandit]

@@stinkyseabassThis. One of my favorite quotes of all times comes from Civ6, “wealth consists not of great possessions, but few wants”, I love it but I disagree with it because my ass was done born against my will, I’m forced to be here unless I axe myself and that’s no fun, and on top of all of this my species sucks. I’ve come to understand life is indeed very fair… after all there’s a lot life has to offer if you earn it. Humans are what lacks fairness, we make things difficult for ourselves and others unnecessarily. At the end of the day we haven’t evolved past natural selection… she’s just taking her sweet time.

[@stinkyseabass]

@@TheShadowBannedBandit life is a beautiful and miraculous thing. Although I find myself frustrated and beaten down by the constant negativity and greed of humanity, I still come across good people. They are out there. We just have a major shortage of love. If others were simply more compassionate and not enticed to bring in their riches off the backs of others who starve, we’d be in much better shape. All I can do is continue to explore this big floating rock and try and keep a positive attitude knowing we are apart of something extraordinary.

[@JoeChang1999]

4:40 thanks for pointing out that women nowadays have a systemic advantage. I work in tech, and I saw some female colleagues still complaining there’s a gender discrimination against them and they are paid unequally. But they are being paid the same as me so as other men in the same level. So not sure where’s the income discrimination. On top of that, the hiring process clearly favor women. The company hires CS grad who has showed that they have the capability of doing the job. The company also hire non CS grad and invest time and money to teach them how to code, but the code quality produce by people from such program is just not as good as a CS grad who spent 4 years mastering the task. And of course the majority of CS grad hires are male, and the majority of non CS grad hired to such program are non CS grad. So it’s clear which gender the system favors… (I think having more female in the industry can be a good thing, but I’m annoyed hearing female colleagues complaining there’s a gender discrimination against them because from my perspective, it’s the complete opposite.)

[@NatiiixLP]

None of the jobs that didn't require higher education actually require higher education. They just set an arbitrary threshold since college degrees became so abundant. This means that anyone who wants to work in one of those fields need to get themselves into unreasonable debt just to compete in a market that's actively hostile towards them. There's no winning move.

[@Pikachu-kw4fv]

But why? Your wage is lower if you dont have a degree so why should a company want to hire someone with a degree if its not necessary? It baffles me

[@NatiiixLP]

@@Pikachu-kw4fv "Your wage is lower if you dont have a degree" Says who? There is no such rule, obviously. They simply increased the requirements without increasing the compensation. In fact, with respect to inflation, the compensation is now worse than it was, but the requirements are at an all-time high, even for very basic jobs.

[@ZOMBIEo07]

I was thinking the same. Why is it that some useless braindead desk job a kid could do, where you fill out excel sheets or answering phones needs a college degree?. Its insane!

[@lilbench5834]

The College degree means much less u Need 2 Just prove yourself and Years of Experience just for entry level

[@NatiiixLP]

​@@lilbench5834 That brings us back to the chicken-and-egg problem. You can't get any job without prior experience, even less without a college degree. I feel like this corporate machine is rigged against the common man.

[@leqeque7383]

Society is failing real hard, real fast

[@danyurr5304]

intentional

[@RDV333]

We're all just pretending civilization isn't imploding, it's a fun exercise.

[@unlimited971]

Lzt s pretend that s the first time it happens. And if it wasn t intentional and unavoidable.

[@terencem9962]

The WEF saying 'you'll own nothing and be happy'... Seems as though this would explain a whole lot about this whole staring straight into the abyss, but leaders doing nothing except hit the gas to accelerate the problems. Why would they go to all the bother of creating that whole plan if it was just some theoretical exercise? And then, if we are all going to 'own nothing but be happy' who owns the stuff we rent? We need some change and soon i think

[@RD-io6sm]

That's what you get when you ignore inconvenient truths for this long. When the game is rigged or the grind is unbearable, don't be surprised when people just give up and disconnect completely.

[@xenohans9364]

If you lack a purpose, you lose your drive to improve. Then the depression kicks in , and you slowly lose the will to live. But not enough to end it immediately. You let things and yourself fall apart, hoping nature takes its course just in the most quick and painless way. I'm digging myself out of that hole. But it's a long, hard fight some days to even go to work just to keep living. There's plenty of others in a far worse situation.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

I feel that. I often try to word what I feel but you did that perfectly. A lot of people do not understand that some contract jobs here (Poland) can kick you from being poor to "debt poverty". Oh yeah if you have debts, you are not likely to be hired over here in Poland and you are not capable of even opening a single-man business.

[@xenohans9364]

@mugthemagpie3001 That's the dumbest reason I've ever heard to not hire someone. It's a win-win for an employer. You're helping someone, or if kindness isn't enough, you now have an employee that will work hard just to keep the job.

[@Daytruin]

This is me. Jobs pay bills barely and just depression. Breath is just a clock ticking as i have no joy beyond new game coming out but even those are low quality these days. So much i need but cant afford. Death by poverty is slow. Not happy and finding the will to dig myself out of a bottomless hole is slipping away. Hoping things turn around.

[@Felnier]

You got this man, I believe you can do it and you will be an even better version of yourself than you thought possible. Depression is logical, but it's hyper self-awareness. Try to do stuff for other people, some kind of volunteer work. It breaks the depression loop, gives you purpose and place in the community where you can make a difference, and you also get to meet some really kind people who care.

[@impaledface7694]

After that you drug yourself up. Then it feels worse. Then the thought of swinging from the tree a couple times occurs but you realize it's bad for your relatives so you don't do that. Then it's just anger and pain. If you get lucky you find something that isn't destructive and makes you happy.

[@nickzema4683]

In many cultures it's normal for several generations to live under same roof.

[@robforskinstein]

That isn’t a cultural thing in America since we’ve had such good economies in the past.

[@AravisX]

For the guys who aren’t working I definitely understand. I worked on cars and got paid 13.50 an hour. I was destroying my body for money that wouldn’t even pay rent. Now I deliver parts for 17.50 an hour and that’s still not enough to pay rent. I’m 30. I live with my dad. I’ll never have another gf or my own place. Dropping out of the rat race is the only way to win

[@LilDangPoot]

I can relate to this almost word for word. You’re not alone man. I appreciate you posting this.

[@apurbadeb6479]

That's a quote there Dropping out of rat race is the only way out ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@TheRationalist.]

Nah there are still ways to make good money. I make 100k as an unskilled laborer at 32. I am a route sales rep for a bread company. Get into a trade or become a route sales rep. The hours are long but the money is great.

[@xretrobox4203]

HEB has reduced cashiers in order to make the Butt family billionaires. Hours were cut then a few

[@justgivenofox9543]

I’m in automotive and I’m still in it but not working in a shop. I’m trying to get my own store in the national quick lube chain I’ve been working for for almost three years. Even making $20 an hour to do oil changes and flushes and just talk to people, the work isn’t terrible but fuck man. I went to college and there’s no job in automotive for me to use my automotive management degree with how much experience you need to be a manager or service manager. I spent the first two years out of school working in shops and the money just isn’t there for everything you need to know

[@nemesisalex9424]

Who knew diversity quotas favoring women would make men less likely to find a job?

[@lisamarieschnee]

It's not really the quotas. Women entering the work force in general led to doubling the number of people searching for work. Pair that with automatization and globalization and you got way too many people looking for too few jobs. That's why wages have been stagnating despite the huge increase in production (GDP).

[@DaOverman00]

@@lisamarieschnee But that does affect certain areas, like in Australia there is a roughly 20% advantage in getting a job interview just by having a female name, there are immense biases against men.

[@rerako4755]

Yea I get the joke about this. Its a cluster fuck of modernization.

[@lisamarieschnee]

@@DaOverman00 Yeah it adds to the already tense job market but I wouldn't put it as the main reason.

[@danilooliveira6580]

they are not talking about "men not finding work", they are talking about "men not working and not interested in finding work when they are between 18 and 25"

[@fishyfishx]

CDPR just announced scholarship - only for women.

[@serban2139]

How's that... legal?

[@Fr00stee]

​@@serban2139because if it's in poland it may be legal

[@mryellow6918]

​@@serban2139 Yes you are allowed to pick who your give scholarships to, that's kinda the point

[@shinodamasaru7945]

I thought that was Ubisoft?

[@RDV333]

This happens in colleges and companies all around the west, it's called positive descrimination and it's based on the writings of John Rawls. It's not a secret, it's a goal.

[@demetriusferris7732]

I love how a High-school Diploma is considered, "Low education," holy cow

[@MrBrewman95]

Because it is. It is the bare minimum. 😂

[@brett4932]

It is low education. It's quite literally the least that you can do. You can graduate high school with one eye open if you simply show up - sometimes. Not even all the time. It's really disheartening to read comments like yours because I can tell without even needing to know you that you have no internal drive or concept of what it takes to actually be a better version of yourself or succeed in life. I'd be willing to guess that you've never applied yourself or taken responsibility for your life or actions if you truly think that a high school diploma is a decent bar to set for self-education. You simply have to do something, anything after high school to continue improving. Doesn't have to be college, but a trade cert., learning how to start a business, something. As a high school graduate, you provide virtually zero utility to any company other than low-skill, low-value mostly physical labor. Is that really that hard to understand? Apply yourself. Take some pride in what you're doing and some self-responsibility for your actions man.

[@MirjanaPucarevic]

Bare minimum is elementary school bc.high school is not mandatory.​@@MrBrewman95

[@Kit-kk9cb]

@@brett4932 dude some people are built to do physical labor. it's what made this society strong. now you're giving him sh*t for being the kind of dude who would have, absent machines, assembled your furniture?

[@brett4932]

@@Kit-kk9cb yeah you're missing the point completely. Anyone in the trades that's a success is not some dumb schmuck. They're savvy in other ways and often times excel as business owners and their willingness to work hard. Which is skill beyond the very baseline level of comprehension that getting a high school diploma requires. Education comes in many forms and in many ways, but it all comes back to willingness to put in the time and the effort. And what I rightfully gather from OP's original comment is that they perceive a very, very baseline level of effort to be acceptable. Which it's just not if you want to succeed. They're surprised that a high school education is not enough to succeed when it's incredibly unsurprising and should be very not shocking. And that all comes back to effort, responsibility and accountability. You get out what you put in.

[@Ucj334esd]

The work: Entry Level, 10 years of experience 38 years of tenure required.

[@user-pc5qj2ix2c]

The wage: minimum.

[@shinodamasaru7945]

Even Twix costs a lot.

[@newfaith912]

@@user-pc5qj2ix2c The wage: decided after probation period.

[@enchantededition6879]

We share a Twix once a month.

[@Under_The_Sun_Podcasts]

Always been like that. People finally got tired of it.

[@DEVINROWLANDSON]

That's a pretty big potential army of men who aren't incentivized to participate in your society and aren't exhausting themselves with employment either, could easily spark a revolution, that's why they are worried.

[@mc80466]

Yeah because all those men too lazy to work are gonna suddenly be motivated to revolt…that’s a joke

[@denkerbosu3551]

People still in denial that men run civilizations.

[@PodJeeMC]

That's what I was thinking too.

[@LucaBrasi-gq5rf]

It already is a revolution. Millions of men refusing to pay into their bankrupt system. That’s billions of dollars in tax revenue.

[@BeardLAD]

They’re intended to fight FOR their oligarchic oppressors… …want a house, fresh water, food, fuel, a wife a life? Want to know more? “Homes For Heroes”

[@everwake2689]

Nobody can afford a house unless they inherit one or get a six figure job, so why work hard?

[@Stopaskingwhyandjustreadit]

So you're eventually qualified for a six figure job?

[@serban2139]

​@@Stopaskingwhyandjustreaditso you're saying that someone who makes double, triple or more than a teacher or nurse is more qualified at their job than the nurse or teacher are at their job?

[@charlesbrown4483]

@@Stopaskingwhyandjustreadit You won't. Also "six figure" isn't enough. Sure if you're in the south or the mid-west making $400,000 you're doing pretty good. But how many people is that? 0.001% of the population?

[@warframewarframe5095]

How about get a 6 figure job?

[@Tonicshades]

God coming back anyways so we'll finally be able to afford a home for eternity, the ones who made life terrible here will be toasty underneath, hope it was worth it.

[@stevend8785]

CPA here. My field has about five years left to exist. Education doesn’t make you safe either.

[@StarkBeaumont]

not like hard working middle aged men are appreciated much by employers anymore

[@shinodamasaru7945]

I've seen 70 years old man still working in franchise store getting his congrats from CEO. A voucher and extra rest time. No raise or bonus.

[@TH-yt6xv]

Recently retired from military and got a local job for some extra fuck it money and can confirm, hard work goes unnoticed and the moment you show it, they’ll demand it. Bare minimum will get the same wage as maximum effort

[@dks80721]

Society doesn't appreciate men anymore, not just employers.

[@shinodamasaru7945]

@@TH-yt6xv why they need to pay more if you can have a dedicated worker who works hard for hefty pay? Btw, thank you for your service, sir! o7

[@TheMaw365]

@@shinodamasaru7945 Yep, just 2 weeks ago we had a guy get a pat on the back for 25 years on the job. Didn't even get an extra day off work or something. They print a generic certificate off a work computer and write your name on it. lol. I did ten years and nobody even noticed. It's crazy. We used to have emloyee of the week/month, got to have free breakfast with the boss, events in our canteen and now the place is devoid of any and all incentive to do more than the minimum.

[@robertbrand5410]

Men underperforming, women most affected.

[@marikishtar]

Gynocentrism

[@nocturnaljoe9543]

@@marikishtar *Real*

[@dindunuphenwong]

Women dominating the workforce, production screams to a grinding halt.

[@nocturnaljoe9543]

@@dindunuphenwong Bro, they are not even dominating the work force. 95% of all hard labour is still done by men.

[@intorsusvolo7834]

Correction: “Men not able to overperform”

[@worduprussia8298]

I think they underestimate the number of men that are perfectly happy living simple, humble lives outside of the rat race and societal expectations. Peach brah!

[@dainhelbert4983]

Exactly, I don't have a family to require me to stress over so I choose as much of a stress free life as possible

[@SammySam7x]

All you really need is a car, a good pc, and maybe a gym membership.

[@itisi2615]

@@SammySam7x I don't need all that, all I need is my dog.

[@NotBlackWolf]

Yeah that attitude really fucks you over when you find someone and start a life together in your late 20s early 30s and you're almost a decade behind career wise. Gotta work stupid hard to go from unskilled low paid worker to skilled worker with a decent salary. The years skating by in an apartment playing video games were fun, but looking back, they were such a waste too. 😅

[@HolyMacaroni-i8e]

@@SammySam7x And a place to live

[@Jo-oo1mx]

17:36 thats a great point. Im from the Nez Perce tribe in Idaho. Most reservations are leftist. That ideology doesn't line up with our traditional form of government and society. Women are the priority now. They get ALL of the opportunities. Youre treated as a 2nd class citizen if you are a native male. Our society used to support men, women, children and elderly equally. But the men were the providers and the protectors. They were vital. The young men had a healthy environment to grow. They had coming of age rituals for the boys. Masculinity wasnt a bad thing. Being a hunter/fisherman wasnt a bad thing. Being a veteran wasnt a bad thing. You were honored. Now youre seen as a scumbag or a sellout if you do those things. Its really sad how modern American politics have ruined our way of life.

[@Jo-oo1mx]

Our military prowess defines the Nez Perce people. Pre and post colonization. We were the dominant force in the region. We took on the 7th cavalry with the apoloosa (a Nez Perce horse) and Springfield lever action rifles (state of the art at that time). Our warriors have fought in every American conflict since then. We have people serving right now. Nobody cares. It's all about leftist propaganda now. All it does is alienate the men.

[@Ender7j]

I retired from the military ten years ago. I was a fighter jet mechanic and when I got out, I went and got my Bachelor’s in CS (recently graduated). I spent my forties retraining. Retraining isn’t hard if you really want to do it. What’s hard is realizing there is no place for you, unless you are not a white man. Apparently, I’ve been a racist and woman-hating slave owner and just refuse to admit it. The problem is there is no place for us.

[@garjensen]

That's disheartening. I retire from the Air Force next year as an aircraft mechanic also. I have my degree in IT and I'm white. Any advice?

[@revelation2-9]

Then one day, for reason at all, a new Austrian painter was born.

[@NotYourEcho]

@@garjensen " *Any advice?* " Yeah, somewhere other than "the west". Try Hungary

[@zippo32123]

Look for smaller dod contractors, they are incentivised to hire veterns (you still get that point) if you have a clerance which you should leverage that. those are hard to get and no amount of school can replace not being a f up.

[@ultimateDOOMPOOL]

They unironically want you to "game-end" yourself so the government can take your place and corporations can exploit your family.

[@grd1184]

Prime age men… they make it sound like we’re cattle or something

[@warren3174]

we are

[@jonontube]

Tax chattle

[@gramt4685]

Notice how mainstream media such as CNBC starts talking about it now? Men are quitting the rat race they delicately orchestrated for them.

[@rebeccaconlon9743]

It's in reference to health

[@RDV333]

The work force is treated like cattle, so it's not that surprising.

[@Cavemanphilanthropist]

The investor class has sold out society. Our entire economy is explained via stock market results. CEO's get massive salaries and bonuses for knowing when to lay off X amount of their workforce to maximize shareholder profits.Cutting their own salaries is never an option. Women don't care because they will choose to be with whomever has money and provides security and they are experiencing their golden age in all areas of the workplace, so the working man shamefully bows out and quits the game.

[@krankvegann]

It's prime time if you are part of the 10% men in economics, dating, labor or anything else, the rest of men are kinda getting fucked. THIS IS THE FREE MARKET, BABY!

[@Topgorilla_]

@@Cavemanphilanthropistsounds like you have bad taste in women.

[@DDracee]

bit of a problem with your math, if only few men "has the money", how can most women find such a man?

[@Cavemanphilanthropist]

@@DDracee debt, they lived rich but they were in fact in massive debt. Also they date multiple women at a time but these days that only drives up their value in the meat market. Women don't have a real issue being the second fiddle if the guy has money. Its not like they are breeders these days, I have only dated one or two women ever who valued family life. EDIT: The statistics bear this out, last I heard only 33% of women were single and looking and 66% of men in the same age range were. All the stats that Asmon lists show this same trend, college enrollment, internships, hell look at movies these days...female and LGBTQ centric roles are front and center and male roles are cartoonishly macho in a stupid way.

[@Suesco]

it has nothing to do with CEOs and everything to do with real estate. our parents generation bought up all the houses, got bailed out when the investments failed, got to keep the houses instead of being forced to sell them on the open market, which would drop the price, and then they maxxed the rent using price fixing algorithms to turn all their children into indentured servants.

[@sarahsmith3016]

Society is going to crumble due to corporate greed. It’s almost like they should just fucking PAY US A LIVING WAGE

[@adamcape8451]

Why aren't men in the workforce??? Better ask a 70 year old woman for the answer. SMH

[@leinonibishop9480]

They consulted experts in the field and referred to a questionnaire filled out by working age men about why they aren’t working. Try to keep up.

[@belligerent2941]

@@leinonibishop9480 Or maybe they could have just asked the men that aren’t working genius

[@Haceyes]

honestly the old guy give pretty good answers

[@perlundgren7797]

@@belligerent2941 Hence "questionnaire". As for an overarching analysis, let's put it like this: If you're going to have heart surgery, would you want a surgeon or anyone with heart disease to perform it?

[@cmdreteri7791]

They would have hired a man to do it but they couldn't find one

[@Mirkk47]

Them a few years ago: "Men are never going to mentally check out of society. We don't have an issue of how we treat men. You are being dramatic." Them now:

[@specialtofu]

Entry Level Job: 1-5 years of related job experience required

[@heelmoxley365]

There was a vape store I applied for where you actually had to be a vaper to get the job

[@UpToSpeedOnJaguar]

​@@heelmoxley365honestly, kinda checks out. If I wanted to sell cigars at a tobacco shop, I'd want somebody who themselves enjoys cigars responsibly.

[@NeroNORirl]

more like 5+ years of experience and without having sick days required. If you ain't the best empolyee from the preivous experience, you ain't getting that new job either. Then you take to long to get a new job and you're screwed and outdated. Fuck it, it's not worth it. I'll rather live in the woods than work for a company again.

[@kokocaptainqc]

you have to be a programmer to get a video game testing job at minimum wage

[@NeroNORirl]

​@@kokocaptainqc yep, that's me. i was a programmer for news websites. Then i realized i was the lowest paid worker on the entier house and i had 3 fkn other news websites they outsourced me to take care of aswell. On top of that they thought it was a good idea to outsource me to a programming team that was making auto generated websites. They worked with C#, something i hadn't touched in 10 years. Guess what? I trusted them and helped code a program they could replace me with. It did not work though, locals are pissed at them nowdays and half the workers have quit that newsite or been replaced by bots. They also went down from 3 to 2 news papers a week. Protip; build yourself something that can replace the job. I got my own company nowdays and i just drive around fixing old people pc problems. It's so much more chill and pretty good pay. I do not take jobs from other companies, fuck that i only fix private home computers.

[@jake_of_the_jungle9840]

The theif of joy is comparison. You can’t be mad at someone else in the real world for having something especially if you don’t know what they’ve been through to get it, there is enough for everyone to have everything if we can make it happen but it does take work. If you’re not happy now just being alive you’ll never be happy

[@HeavyMilkSyrup]

Ex carpenter here. The fact that I left the industry for the insurance industry and have made more money, connections, in 1 year here than 10 in the construction field. Could be that companies think $20 an hour to build houses is still acceptable. When that wage isn’t sustainable for a 3 until family.

[@Ffs0rz]

Depends where. In Nebraska it would.

[@Lthe1]

Yeah, I worked as an electrical apprentice and for a general contractor for years and every company wanted to pay me minimum wage or barely more, and that was in California where rent is crazy high on top of the low wages

[@therealjessejames111]

@@Ffs0rz $20 doesn't pay for anything where i am at. starting wage is $25 but realistically you can't live off anything less than $40 unless you have some other sort of benefits or a spouse who works too.

[@Ffs0rz]

Move.

[@basse9914]

What do you do in insurance?

[@stephiec4062]

The problem is women used to be homemakers while men earned decent enough wages to support everyone in their household. Wages decreased drastically at the same time women joined the workforce, so now everyone is working for horrible pay.

[@biner01]

Yes, this is known. Productivity has increased, but wages haven't.

[@MyN0N4M3]

Yep, workforce almost doubled and yet productivity didnt (excluding what we gained in productivity due to automation). And that is because women dont do the actual work. They sit in their office (or nowadays homeoffice), fill out som formulars, create some excel sheet or power point, then drink coffee are on the phone with other women and complain about the men at work. Basically women nowadays do the same thing they did before they were even allowed to work, they just dont do it for their husband and family, they now do it for a boss at a souless corporation that would instantly fire them if they could get away with it. And who suffers the most? The guy doing the work, that now has a massive overhead of management and regulation that always makes sure that he is the one to blame for everything and at the end of the month he gets paid barely enough to make a living. I work at a railway company in the EU and in the old pictures you see these proud railroad workers and at the railroad stations all the ppl that used to work there for these companies. Nowadays the railroad stations are basically empty, we have far more traffic, far less ppl (working outside) and yet we can only dream of buiying our own house one day, while the workers back then managed to all build their own house, have a family, of not just 1-2 kids but 5-8 children back then. How in the world is this possible? Well, I know how much the ppl in the office earn for knowing literally nothing, having no responsibility whatsoever and being able to do their 'work' from home at a time that they themselves can decide. They earn more than the ppl risking their lives when they work on the rails. This is such a sick system and I dont blame any guy that does not want to even try anymore.

[@Pixelasi]

Fun fact: in the Illuminati New World Order book, women won't be housemakers anymore.

[@lemonlupinreuben5362]

Wages were depressed because women joining the workforce meant that the labor force was effectively doubled, tipping the scale in favor of the companies

[@Alexander-iq5yq]

We got double the income per household when women first entered the workforce. It must've been great at the beginning. Then everything doubled in price when rent seekers realized they could suck it all up. Now everyone is working, nobody can build a family efficiently, and nobody can enjoy the extra money they earned because it ended up in the pockets of landlords etc.

[@boneyardghoul931]

idk why these boomers are surprised they did this on purpose

[@ultimateDOOMPOOL]

They don't care, they keep saying "I'll be long dead when that becomes a problem"

[@thesandman775]

​@@ultimateDOOMPOOL Except now, they're the loudest complaining idiots when they can't get something repaired on their house and wonder why a. No one wants to work anymore and b. Why young kids can't buy houses anymore when they did it with "20 percent interest rates".

[@hydromancer4916]

@@ultimateDOOMPOOL I have a boomer co-worker who regularly says this. It's not a meme. (and she's not even one of the smart boomers who played the real estate market, she's working retail in her 70's 💀)

[@ragnardanneskjold7675]

Boomers 💩 the bed and let everyone else lay in it.

[@cn9707]

Yeah the people who paid $6 and a bag of chips for a house worth $4 million now aren't exactly the most in touch people.

[@slaayerr1]

Issue is depending on where you live, a lot of the average wages arent average anymore. Grew up seeing plumbers and electricians needing to work retail at 80 to make ends meet. I make $30 an hour in NJ and i literally make ends just meet because rents are 2k a month, car loans are usually $400 a month, phone is $50, groceries are ridiculous, old houses are being torn down and replaced with massive million dollar houses, and our gross pay is halved with all the forms of tax. Essentially my only option is to continue saving up bits of money and buy a house out west because the coasts are unaffordable for so little. Only way you fix that is pushing out most of the current politicians and government officials and instate hopefully better ones with new regulations on what they can do.

[@Laerei]

Btw, women have been in the workforce since the 1910s in Europe and 1940s in USA. That's because of how many men died in World War 1 and 2, leaving many necessary occupations unfilled and the only way to fill those positions was to hire women. That's when the great shift of women going from housewives to joining the workforce happened. And it stuck. The women's rights movement only began of unfair pay and treatment at work. Initially the movement was very justified. But lately it has turned into where women are being given privilege over men and men being pushed out of the workforce. These two things are not entirely related but partial relation is there. Men are bing reduced to low pay difficult blue collar grunt work while women occupy more and more of the easy white collar jobs with higher pay. No wonder some men just quit entirely. They see no future in work where they get paid peanuts but in return get taken everything out of them that they have to give.

[@fluffystagbeetle4526]

These are the kinds of things that cause society to collapse. Large group of people taht do the difficult dirty work collectively opting out because theres no reward no family no purpose etc

[@pylotheric9777]

it's only been happening recently huh.... is it a coincidence?? 🤔

[@CyrilCommando]

It's what happens when you give women an inch. I wouldn't be surprised if the "mistreatment" they experienced back then was _exactly_ the same as today. An unwelcome flirt.

[@liarwithagun]

Women have always worked jobs, it's just that it used to only be "low class" (i.e. peasant) women that did it, and only the worst off of those low class women. Some eras in some places it was more or less of a percent of those women who worked. It's just that women used to pursue not working because it was a sign of social status. The difference is that now every women works because the industrialists 100 years ago convinced women at large that working themselves to the bone like men did was the actual key to high status. Just like the jewelers convinced them that an overly expensive waste-of-money rock was needed for a marriage to be legitimate, instead of spending that money that is actually valuable like their children's education or a house. The fact that women at large entering the workforce allowed the industrialists to massively depress wages over time due to the massively increased labor supply couldn't have been the real motive for the origins for all this, surely? The fact that this has taken on a life and ideology of its own since women bought the lies so long ago just compounds the problem.

[@ciriadeflora]

I got a promotion at work last year. It was initially between me and two men. I worked my ass off to prove I qualify for it for over a year before it became available and even covered the position for no additional pay for at least 6 months. It isn't management, but a small bump in salary and extra responsibilities with some team leadership training. Despite the other two men having some experience, but not as much as me, I was still picked. Some days, I question if I was given the promotion because I am a woman. I am one of two women in my department. One of the other two men applied for a spot once it opened up a year later, the other staying where he was at.

[@YeahSureLetsGoSeeYamcha]

At my trade job, I work directly next to the older generation of workers every day doing the same exact work. In 2005, they added a clause to the contract where hourly pay was capped at around 60% of the maximum of the workers who hired in prior to 2005. They are now making over 60$ an hour (and it raises 3% every year per their contract) while we’ve been stuck at 35$ since 2016. It’s pretty easy to see why people are losing interest in work…..

[@SurfingSerpent]

It makes sense why job hopping is the meta. You get more gradual salary increases. It hurts companies' long term culture, and thus their output of new things is worse.

[@LordRykard9376]

Wait till you learn about social security...

[@CyrilCommando]

$35 an hour is insane money. It's what a bachelors should pay minimum, but most bachelor's jobs list 35-43k.

[@4everscifi]

@@SurfingSerpentyup. I switched from permanent to contract. The company I worked for called me back after a few months and offered an extra $4/hr because they were desperate. If I was permanent it would have been 2-3%, which is less than inflation. Sticking around at a job puts you in a losing position.

[@georgec5212]

@@CyrilCommandohis point is the boomers who already have houses and will get social security are making twice what they are while they could retire tomorrow. Working the same job as someone and making half is annoying as hell, they scientifically proved if feels better to make less but more than your peers than to make more and be paid the least

[@TravisPluss]

There literally are external forces against me/us. I didn’t choose to leave my affordable apartment, they remodeled and I had to move somewhere that takes half of my take-home pay. I was financially secure and getting ahead in life for 9 WHOLE MONTHS in my entire life! And it was taken away from me. This country can rot.

[@AngryAlfonse]

This is how I feel. I was getting ahead for a few years as a software engineer, until I got laid off in December. I've been looking for a job ever since, but the white collar job market sucks right now. I could get a McJob, I'm not above it, but it won't pay my bills. Luckily I have a couple opportunities that look like they might pull through for me in the next month or two, but in the meantime I've had to wreck my savings lol.

[@AngryAlfonse]

@@donventura2116 honestly I don't even know where to start. Were you freelancing through some sort of freelancing program? Because I've looked at places like Fiverr or Upwork, and they're full of people expecting 100 hours of work for $20

[@Level_Eleven]

Your final sentence was the plan all along. War has changed.

[@Jo_nii_san]

@@AngryAlfonse maybe downsize ur bills and when u bounce back plan for moments like this like other ppl do. like im not saying u made a 100k as a engineer and decided to make ur bills at the end of the year total 99k but I am saying when things get better maybe try not to set urself up to not pay ur bills. idk if u got that degree understanding how oversaturated ur field is but maybe keep that in mind for next time

[@Jo_nii_san]

that does sound rough. when they give ppl affordable housing they should also help them structure a way to get ahead... but also sectioned housing is different then normal apartments its a bit harder to evict u.. I wonder how they kicked u out. in most states they can ONLY readjust ur payment once a year(not every 9 months) and u will know when that time is coming its the same for most other leases as well. ppl outside of affordable housing also have to deal with rent increases. but there are ways for u to work for a better oppourtunity. if ur willing to move... there are areas u can rent rvs for a few hundred a month or the same price ive seen sect 8 apartments go for. and theres no waiting list. its not pretty but its a way to work any job to build up money to invest in other things or secure 2.5x-3x rent for a normal apartment the same way other ppl have to. ik saying just move is a lame response but ppl outside of sectioned homes DO get kicked out bc of rent increases I recently had to move bc of one actually... but I was aware of that possibility in the same way u should had been aware of a rent increase

[@davidperson9288]

28:08 As a former worker in kitchens, your take is true. The pay sucks, the customers suck, the managers suck, the coworkers suck.. I worked kitchens for 9 years in my early 20s... it left me with a ripped apart confidence, lacking of ability to see the value in hard work, numerous pain now that I'm closer to 40.. back pain, knee pain, messed up feet, hip pain, constantly pain in my hands and fingers.. all to make minimum wage and barely pay for my apartments rent at the time.. now with the inflated price, I couldn't even afford a place without having to work 2 or 3 jobs.. which begs the question why do I need an apartment when I'm never there to have time to myself?... food for thought.

[@networknomad5600]

I love how when anyone brings up the downsides of women in the workplace, they're immediately called incels. When in reality, the only ones that benefit from women in the workplace are the corporations who can pay everyone less due to having more potential and realized hires.

[@masterkraft4746]

that's what happens in dictatorships .... if you speak bad about the regime, you will be shamed, socially ousted, and ultimately cancelled and reported

[@mikelitten7489]

Exactly. It’s basic supply and demand. Double the work force and suppress the wages.

[@kdjnhdojgdjjdhrge7824]

The others that benefit are the management chads who can add to their harems.

[@na_haynes]

@@mikelitten7489 now they can't have families, naturally immigration is an extension of feminist policy.

[@DatAsianGuy]

@@mikelitten7489 it's work inflation. Like you said Double the workface, cut the pay in half, because you gotta pay double the workforce now... except now men are slowly fading out of it. so perhaps the ladies will get a benefit from it and get higher pay, but they sure as hell won't marry a SAH-Dad lol

[@Psitropic]

Women were pushed into the workforce in order to double the amount of taxable wages.

[@Cyanoblades]

Women also get paid less to do the same job as man, they often don't negotiate their wages. I'm sure this is a major contributor to the shift to woman in the workplace, pretty much everything is about money.

[@boldCactuslad]

heh, i wish. no, it was to half the price of labor. the government wasn't playing us, they're too dumb, the corpas were.

[@ArantyrDarkhand]

@@Cyanoblades No they DO NOT GET PAID LESS... this is a myth. Reality women from 18 to 30 get PAID MORE for the same job.

[@majimasmajimemes1156]

Wrong. It was to keep industry running while men were fighting in WW2, and afterwards they just kept them employed to reduce the leverage of the now expendable workforce.

[@b-spiral8314]

​@@ArantyrDarkhandwasn't it Google that did an investigation in their company when women were complaining about wages and they found women were getting paid more? It's like propaganda they're spreading now

[@2CentsPlus]

Hilariously enough Even the women who are in the workforce that are out earning men Still claim that they don't want to spend a single cent of their money to help support a family. They say once they find a man who makes more than them they will put all of their money in the escape plan account and just live off him.

[@KtT-sn8cy]

I don’t know who ‘they’ are but women aren’t really a monolith, there are very many who want to build families and aren’t overly stingy with the salary of their partner You just aren’t speaking to quality women clearly, if you speak to them at all

[@DaOverman00]

@@KtT-sn8cy A classic response "You just aren't talking to quality women". This is definitely TRUE, there are some good women out there who are kind, empathetic, generous and family oriented, but they are not the norm, the normal woman is heavily propagandized and believes they are superior to men.

[@KtT-sn8cy]

@@DaOverman00 I feel like your exposure is exclusively from activists on the internet, I’ve never met a women who believes any gender is superior. There are online extremists but it is not the norm

[@2CentsPlus]

@@KtT-sn8cy You are absolutely correct; they aren't. I didn't feel the need to specify that my statement was referring only to the women who actually say these things. However, I forget this is the internet, and common sense isn't all that common. also kinda hard not to speak to a woman when I'm married to one lol.

[@jamespadgett8660]

​@@KtT-sn8cywomen want men that out earn them so he can financially provide for her, regardless of how much she makes herself. The data is there. Half of all women have a "backup guy" in mind in case her current relationship doesn't work out. It's over.

[@revdogma]

I know im late to this party but one big one is that companies dont want to train people any more. There used to entry level positions avalible for technical jobs where you were educated on the job. Companies have gotten so used to relying on higher education that no one trains for almost ANYTHING any more. For low level low paying positions thewy want a 2-4 year degree.

[@NovaIIDBZII]

today we had an All Hands Meeting with corporate and they couldn't STOP talking about all the FEMALE promotions and opportunities for them. I wanted to say something like "ur blatantly discriminating us men because our gender"

[@istivanp8747]

Honestly? We need to start throwing it back in their face This last year in an employee engagement survey, I used the anonymous feedback section at the end to lay into them about hypocritical hiring practices and workplace culture with DEI, and prefaced by saying 'I am relying on the anonymity of this system to convey this, because I do not -- in spite of your initiatives of 'safety' to bring up concerns -- feel safe enough to put my name to these words, and I will know if this comes back to me.' 'Men in my immediate cohort feel discriminated against, and they do not respect these initiatives -- not because they are any sort of 'phobic', but because they are common sense Men and they see the hypocrisy on the ground level.' Luckily I have not received any backlash from this. It needs to be said in more forms.

[@Medicine91]

Sue them

[@Fabio-ji9ve]

Just quit. Let them have an all female company and see where that will lead them

[@GodTierAsta]

speak up trust me if ur feeling that way so is everyone else

[@regisshiv3542]

But you kept quiet :/ Basically you agreed to all of this.

[@Fettucine-us9pz]

DEI employers dislike white men I'm brown but still see it

[@dd-uy5lx]

lol ok. Nothing to do with that, DEI dont care if you can pay them less. They know they cant so, man staying home. Jobs are figuring out, oh shit no work force.

[@danielmaster8776]

Maybe someday they'll add brown people into the white category. They did it with Irish, Jews, Italians, Arabs.

[@ronniebx4664]

How about light brown-ish. Cinnamon skin?😂

[@unkono]

​@@danielmaster8776you forgot Asians

[@Lou-jl4ov]

@@danielmaster8776 not

[@brunoboksic9696]

I'm from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and the US is literally becoming that--learned helplessness on a societal level. No matter what you do, you're fucked if you're not in the top 1-5%. I saw this play out in my society and it will only get worse.

[@salkoharper2908]

My mother left Tuzla for a better life in England. Now I live in a small rented flat in London and got replaced from my job by a cheaper migrant. Many people in London who are Polish, Bulgarian, Turkish etc are going back to home countries because standard of living it getting better, while it is getting worse in the Western countries. I have a neighbour who is Polish, he is building a house in small town and have 4 children. All he is is a plumber. In England now, you have to be a millionaire rich man to do that. Don't come to the West brother, stay in Bosnia and try and make things better for your community and family.

[@justsomeonepassingby3838]

I was recently checking if moving from western europe to bosnia was a good idea Do you mind if i ask some advice ?

[@nikolaizaicev9297]

@@justsomeonepassingby3838 Trade one sh....t hole for another one? What a great plan. Go to Russia instead, and that is not a joke. You need to go to a country that meets these criterias: 1. Can survive by itself if the world's economy collapses ( that is going to happen in the comming 5 years) 2. Is strong enough ( nuclear) to defend itself. 3. Has enough land and affordable houses. 4. Has a relatively large population living in it. 5. Has a decent education and economy. Bosnia and other countries will fail on several of those factors. In the coming years the world will split into economic blocks = 1. Europe + USA 2. China, Russia, India 3. The other ones. Look at the state debt and prices in Europe and Usa and look at same indices in Russia. How do you think, where the live will improve with the time and where it will get only more worse? The new law allows to get a green card in Russia quite easilly.

[@leezhieng]

They called it Late Capitalism.

[@CookieMonster-l5o]

18:25 no Jordan Peterson is absolutely an exemplar of the lifestyle that he supports

[@JustinChong-w9y]

I hired new sets of interns every term and the government literally pays more money as subsidies to your company if you hire women. My CEO specifically asked me to hire women as a result.

[@bren42069]

That should not be legal

[@lethn2929]

There are always people who justify this in the comments and shit on men like they should shut up and take it and they're shocked men are all leaving because that is what is happening, thank you for at least being honest because the maths I've been doing on this myself is disturbing. None of these shit heads are going to talk about it honestly because especially if they're older they benefit from these policies and they know it.

[@broidkanymore-zc4lt]

what the ####

[@mrjohnnyk]

@@lethn2929 Most of them are just bots or people who are paid to push the contrarian replies in comments sections like this.

[@anomalyraven]

Regardless of your gender, most people just work to survive these days. I'll never be able to afford to live life like my parents did in the 70's. Mom worked as a hair dresser and could afford buying an apartment and travel the world. Try that today. I'll probably be working until I die.

[@Arizona-ex5yt]

Yet, you probably own an iPhone which would have been considered sci-fi magic back in the 1970s. You have access to better healthcare. You have a longer life expectancy. Poor baby.

[@l33tninja1]

At the rate business are trying to replace workers with AI and automation id say you will be jobless before you die. Just means you will die starving on the streets ignored by the elites who won't let you have food or anything else because they feel you don't have a right to it unless you are rich.

[@tomnehek]

Hairdressers make six figures easily.

[@user-ip6wq7vr7m]

Currently looking for job number 2 just to afford a apartment, my job I have now I can't meet the minimum earnings just to qualify applying for a apartment, even rooms for rent are from 700 to 900$ a MONTH just to give you an idea of what it's like.

[@Rainsoakedcoat]

@@Arizona-ex5yt that's next level apple stupidity. "YOU HAVE IPHONE SHE! BE HAPPY BE HAPPY! WAAAAH!"

[@Topaz723]

Too many situations in which a person works 50 hours a week and still can't earn enough money to afford to be independent which creates a sense of hopelessness. A mechanic should be able to support their family working 40 hours a week. In modern America, they can barely support themselves.

[@grantbarratt3944]

14:50 No, it would not be accurate to claim that most mammals have males that provide for their mate and offspring. In fact, in the majority of mammal species, males do not contribute significantly to providing for or raising the young. Sure it’s fair to say it’s the case for humans, but to what degree varies widely from culture to culture.