We Need To Talk About This Company | Asmongold Reacts

[@vipercoilz]

"Don't tell me you're Robin Hood when you're just robbin' the hood" Asmongold circa 2023

[@Heysiwickii]

Sublime 1990s.

[@FutayuriShironeko]

Fextralife has such an amazing stream it has 23k viewers 2 hr after going offline.

[@Malkav]

With asmon's sass and Charlie's hair combined, the ultimate hero PenguinGold shall be born.

[@Malkav]

@@anthonyjustice447 AsmoistGold

[@xavi8780]

I'd watch a Charlierawrr stream

[@brandondaringer8615]

Pengold

[@zacharyvestal4430]

Moistmongold

[@UnofficialHammer]

Hair line*

[@Soul-Burn]

According to twitchtracker, they have 27k average viewers, but only 800 active subs. Much smaller channels (sub 500 viewers) have usually have around that amount of subs. So pretty it's obvious these people aren't actually watching the stream.

[@SithisLich]

If you told me Charlie and Zack where brothers i'd believe that.

[@travisahhs11]

Both are very clearly intelligent people, if they were to form a team they could have a phenomenal channel.

[@jackabsolute5525]

Yeah. They seem to be literally borrowing each otners wardrobe.

[@AstonMartinStig]

​@JayGC My brother has a full head of hair, I do not. Too bad we can't quick save and reload to roll again in real life.

[@johangou]

but the second brother is just silly sometimes yet the first brother is completely dumb

[@Chalkstix]

Twitch should probably remove the embed feature, or at least change it so it doesn't affect viewer count. They won't. But they should.

[@m.j.e.5245]

Whats more insulting than the embeds are them copying eachothers content and not having any good faith takes to come to a reasonable conclusion. Lazy content from both

[@directrulefromgamerchair3947]

Why would they do this? More viewers = more ad income

[@clashwithkeen]

@@m.j.e.5245 guys I found the shill

[@rastagaming9000]

That might be a solution, but knowing the internet business, it's very hard to get traffic for your Twitch channel just being there. Competition is too high. It great feature for people who target keywords and get a ranking on Google, then can lead them to Twitch. This might be the only chance for some people ever get traffic. Business is tough.

[@kavinh10]

the only people it affects are the streamers competing with the top spot it doesn't affect the vast majority of streamers. And its frankly the same as people hosting another stream imo, no one can "abuse" it without effectively having admin access to a large wikia-like site. The only people who should have a say about it is twitch since it affects them directly and they've already ruled on it.

[@Wighafoc]

I remember looking for a rare drop armor in Elden Ring, and ofc fextra was the first thing that came up. I clicked on it, and it was literally one sentence just saying that it was a rare item.

[@atrocious7766]

You won't catch Charlie talking about Opera GX doing the same thing though because they're his sponsors.

[@Valaghlyn]

You legit got me curious, what does Opera GX do that is "the same thing"? I'm using Opera GX and I've never seen embedded stream anywhere. I've just scrolled through the homepage, which I usually don't; I have new game release, upcoming game release, browser games, games recommendation, youtube creator recommendation (I'd guess people they sponsor), Asus product recommendation, stores like steam and humblebundle and then news. I've seen they recently(?) got an Opera GX personified vtuber(or ai? not sure) stream, but it isn't on the homepage, it was small window at the corner asking me if I'd be interested in watching the stream. Also the homepage is fully customizable to remove what you don't want on it... 🤔

[@Robotlien]

@@Valaghlyn They did this once with their new VTuber that was debuting once and the viewer count reached up to 75k or something like that, a majority of those viewers were embedded through their browser upon just opening Opera GX. This was talked about quite a bit a little while ago, like maybe a week ago.

[@Valaghlyn]

@@Robotlien I see 🤔Guess I didn't pay attention to the homepage enough to see it embedded somewhere when it did happen

[@atrocious7766]

@@Robotlien Honestly, it wouldn't have been so bad if they had not bragged as if those were legitimate viewers. It speaks volumes about how effective embedding manipulates viewer count to see Aura averaging 2k viewers per stream as opposed to the 75k on debut.

[@Robotlien]

@@atrocious7766 Yeah, but people would be talking about it regardless as we can't see what viewers are embedded or from twitch itself, I get your point tho, there wouldn't have been so much talk about it if they hadn't bragged about it for sure.

[@zarahandrahilde9554]

Always fun to see the goblin duo yammer about the same thing💜

[@flux_casey]

Gonna say... I've stumbled onto the Fextralife wikis from time to time. I had *no idea* the guy running it was a streamer. I didn't know that was a thing at all. But apparently I've secretly been a fan of them for years! Such a secret even I didn't know about it! Wow!

[@gryn-main]

if you're using adblock then no you have not been a fan for that streamer.

[@kavinh10]

@@IAmAzarath its a "problem" only to the top 0.0001% of streamers who frankly are rich enough as it is. Twitch has ruled on it and says they aren't removing a feature because a wikia site with millions of views might emb a twitch link on it.

[@tequilawhiskey]

​@@EddiXPyeah im not getting the hate for the site. Ive used them for years without much problem. Its certsinly better than fandom which makes my phone try to kill itself.

[@BraveFrontierRemeberer]

One thing that always annoys me is when you see a video link for a video and it leads you to a random part of there old streams and it pisses me off to no end because it doesn’t even show me what I wanted to find

[@davidl4312]

I'm so confused about this. I use the wiki for BG3, doS2 and PotR and thought they were good. I also watched a ton of fextralife videos and build guides on youtube. So, the wiki sucks? If it sucks, then no one would use it and there would be no problem. If the issue is embedding, then its a twitch problem, right? This entire saga confuses me. Sssniperwolf exists guys

[@HandsomeKing808]

I’m just surprised how fast you beat AC6 with your Mech Tank!

[@Sheepdog_Alpha]

LOL I spit out my coffee bro

[@lilramennoodle8056]

Mech tank is way easier, except for some bosses. In general op

[@syntheticEEV]

You can also have bots on a server open hundreds of tabs on their website, and each tab is a viewer. Their main source of viewers aren't even organic. That's the truly insidious part of this. ITs very hard for twitch to catch this kind of viewbotting, as it doesnt happen on their website.

[@akindel6590]

What is wild is this issue is something that harms advertisers the most, but only honest streamers will care about.

[@razerscale3590]

It also hurts the viewer if advertisers stop paying as much for ad deals and streamers have to implement more ads to make the same amount of money

[@kavinh10]

"honest streamers" you are joking right most of the people on the front page would sell their audience defective products and cryptoscams in a heartbeat for the right price. audience don't care ya it runs in your browser it uses next to no bandwidth and you're using a wikia site to begin with. the only ones complaining are the millionaire streamers who are mad they have competition so they want to start up drama using their fanbases

[@razerscale3590]

@kavinh10 imagine calling fake viewers competition. Imagine having a website and just deciding you want everyone who visits your website to be counted as a twitch viewer. So now you don't have to be a good streamer to have a lot of viewers. You just have to have a lot of people visiting your website. Imagine if other companies with much much more popular websites did this. Then regular people would have absolutely no way to ever get on the front page of twitch

[@odotawaissaku3755]

That is Twitch's fault. All fextra is doing is promoting his stream on his own website. He's fully within his rights. It's not his fault that Twitch counts those as viewers.@@razerscale3590

[@schmegulon]

say what you want about reaction videos. at least asmon manages to make 21+ extra minutes of content with it

[@darklikeashadow6626]

Twitch should just create a button that needs to be pressed on an implemented stream for the people on the external website to count as viewers. Simple solution. Let's see how many "viewers" they get now.

[@dustybikes86]

most other embedders are doing so relevantly, like a company embedding their official stream on their website, that makes perfect sense, or a streamer embedding their stream on their personal website that is about them, that makes sense.

[@razz5841]

You say advertisers are getting finessed, but what kind of advertisers doesn't have their own metrics and tracking to see if the ad was worth it for them? If they keep sponsoring them, they probably see the worth in it.

[@luigipunk25]

Remember back in the day when you searched for Dark souls weapons or wiki and such, u got "wikia", (nowdays "fandom?"), which was a truly community driven wiki. Nowdays u only get fextralife and it's kinda bs and mined information.

[@Tiknaps]

I know this is super pedantic, but I'm fairly confident they dont "paste" the embed on every page but rather a parent element that is part of a template they've created so whenever they make a new page its automatically included.

[@heyiceman]

I’d like to see an interview with one or more of their advertisers

[@Castle_Games]

I've been using their wiki since bloodborne came out and it's been fairly accurate for me in bloodborne, dark souls 3, and elden ring but i think after this situation I'll avoid using their site from now on.

[@AlastairGames]

there are better sites to use

[@EddiXP]

​@@lfcbprothey can't! It's so pathetic

[@EddiXP]

​@@velraven8944they have become so miserable

[@N3r0ThlHeavyMetal]

@@EddiXP Facts.

[@xcenex479]

⁠@@EddiXPwhat reuploading? his video is double the length of charlie’s video lol

[@sebastianwhatever4182]

Their sekiro, bloodborne, wo long, ds1-3 and god of war wiki was complete accurate for me. Didnt know about all this shit. I even used some of their builds. Mainly used their wiki to find weapons/armors and some shit for playinum in BB/sekiro. Havent seen any incorrect info, seriously. Im surprised they are such scumbags. This is sad.

[@Daniel_bmc]

Same for me I always thought the wiki was great and I still do but it’s interesting seeing the other side of this too

[@CrazyGamebino]

I mainly used fex for ds3 maps because I always got lost either looking for a quest boss or quest item in ds3 besides 1 or 2 weapons/items I never actually used the site only actually using it for the higher level titanite’s because I wanted to max my abyss watcher greatsword and dagger and had no idea where to look so I didn’t really pay attention to the quality of the information

[@gabrielgalhano5019]

I think the quality on their wikis depends on the community. They did admit that they can't take full praise for the quality on their actual good wikis because it is community built. Souls community seems to be really commited in helping but according to some people other wikis are bad and wrong so. Yeah its pretty sad because I've seen the guy taking on criticism from youtube comments to make their video better. Even the armored core drama he was not mad at people for disagreeing with him.

[@gilney.mathias]

I use it all the time too, since its almost always the first link on Google, and yeah, most of the info seems fine, but there are a bunch of pages with placehold text or outdated info, since, i guess, after the game hype end they dont update the pages anymore... I just finished Remnant 2 and i found a couple of those problems, even tho the game isnt even that old and its a really good game with a good amount of players...

[@Firkey73]

Won’t someone think of those poor advertisers! Asmon has a TON of money in this game and that’s why he’s so passionate about this. OTK and Mythic rely basically entirely on ads and sponsors to exist so it make sense he’s going to defend his bottom line and his millionaire streamer friends. Don’t like fextra? Don’t watch their stream and don’t go to the site, until twitch makes a stand here nothing will change and all these videos are just rich people flailing being viewer Andys

[@Firkey73]

And leave it to Twitch streamers to think the only place a “community” can exist is within a twitch stream, fextra has plenty of community aspects on the site. And the argument that “who would be interested in the AC6 stream when they are on the guide for DS3???!!” Of course there is no way that someone playing an older fromsoft title would be interested in watching the newest fromsoft title lol so out of touch

[@tavakio]

don't count embed viewers or make it show separately simple for twitch to fix if they care or want.

[@depressedfrog2]

They don't have bots watching their streams, they have bots going into their website, that way there is the embed stream which the bots count as viewers plus they get clicks on their website meaning they can put different advertisments and get money , doubled up

[@OvercookedOctopusFeet]

The only truth i know is that cheesecake is always more pleasant on the way in...

[@authentictaco8166]

All they had to say was “we apologize for any misunderstanding, we do this to show how we are gathering this information and for everyone to follow along”

[@Plus_Escapee]

Spitting game is throwing out a lot of bullshit, like claiming ignorance, faking hard times, faking family trouble, faking legal trouble, or any form of deflective, disarming, or confusing horseshit that makes you such a handful that nobody wants to take you on and correct your behavior. They think they are getting out of trouble, but people who spit game only make things worse in the long run, however, even with a notorious and infamous reputation for being a liar, liars continue to think that they are powerful, and that everyone around them is falling for it, even if we aren't.

[@JasonTan-63887]

Fextralife Elden Ring and Souls 3 are solid. Their youtube Videos are quite soothing to listen to. They also have a very well made, accomplished map of Elden Ring items. Don’t care about their Twitch channel though.

[@zarakitube]

Somebody should make a google chrome add that prevent embedded twitch

[@adrianhenry7631]

The embedding on mobile is even more hidden, its all the way at the bottom, below all the content, so you wouldnt even see the stream, at least on PC you can argue its right infront of you, but on mobile its actually hidden

[@Gennys]

You guys have to realize how much 30K is concurrent.. this is Dr disrespect numbers, or Tim cast IRL numbers on KZbin...

[@dodger7896]

with dark souls 2 items were moved for sotfs so for that only ill give them the benefit of doubt

[@jackmacgillicutty8045]

They gotta stop trying to treat the symptom. If Fextralife loses credibility completely and loses site traffic and so they go away, some other spore will grow in the same loophole; it's fertile ground. You gotta go to advertisers in the interest of full disclosure with your concerns. If advertisers share that concern, they'll put pressure on Twitch. Specific complaints from the money make change. And now you'll look like a hero to those advertisers. Machiavellian, sure, but it works.

[@znationreaper-9948]

Its true imagine your a streamer not even a big streamer and u want to be seen at all this is definitely something to be aware of

[@achillesa5894]

For those of you who are annoyed by the autoplaying stream, you can block it with ublock origin and it will stay blocked forever

[@MJ-vv7ys]

Or just use different site

[@garyboyles5762]

Not only does this detract from the false information from their website, it takes much longer for those like myself to load the page up on my mobile device.

[@irrelevanthero7410]

I landed in Fextralife's stream before for a drops, or give away. I forget which. It was active, but I ended up on their twitch stream 2 months later for a general stream and there was like 20k people in there and maybe 20 people chatting about the game. It was obvious what was going on.

[@Davincibeats]

If they stopped banning everyone who says "Are you using a viewbotter", they might actually have a community.

[@Ganon999]

So, if advertisers are convinced their ads would be seen by 20k-30k viewers when they are really just bots then that's fraud. Not sure how long they can get away with that, unless their sponsors don't give a damn or are too stupid to realize it.

[@acension7437]

8:27 I didn't know reddit bots were a thing before this video because I didn't think anyone cared THAT much about irrelevant internet points.

[@hullbreachdetected4846]

Best way to force Twitch to ban embed function, is to contact all the companies that advertise on Twitch, and tell them that Twitch is promoting channels by embed views, that don't actually watch their advertisements. As long as it's about money, it will happen.

[@Juvenwastaken]

What twitch can do is to create a way to sort embedded stream viewers out of the view count. That way fextralife will have a reality check that their "community" is no more than 20

[@mariosblago94]

but why would Twitch do that? It's literally burning money.

[@Aenahea]

"Addressing this one last time"

[@DecayedPony]

No idea how they still consider embedding a viewer. As stated in the video Embeds are good for advertising your stream, but it shouldn't count.

[@Itsa-sh]

12:20 Although Twitch has a weird way of calculating viewers because ffrom what i've found only the most recent 2 streams are counted, and it wont count (at all) if you have the same stream open multiple times. so having multiple wiki pages open in tabs would work against them i'd imagine, though 31k viewers is still nuts (it could be higher).

[@AndrewTheFrank]

By Twitch allowing embedding they are gambling. When it blows up in their face they are betting that advertisers will not pull out of Twitch hard. If they do however then it could hurt their bottom line to the point of going under. For once advertisers are aware and cautious they wont be able to trust Twitch for a while.

[@thornghoul1486]

They just made a post saying that these accusations are absurd and have proof to backup their claims. If you look at the replies they all seem to be made by bots lol

[@gnomepower7365]

imagine buy a embedding slot on a site in India or China.....

[@marcovidal9782]

If Kick was smart they would make a public statement and ban embedding. Would be a huge power play to be honest

[@centurion7398]

I've used their stuff for Divinity Original Sin 2 for years and never had an issue. Never knew about the controversy because I despise Reddit and generally stick to YT rather then twitch. Good to know I guess.

[@TheMadAtter]

Does Linus Media Group own Fextralife? seems like something they'd do.

[@StoryBound]

when i started d4 i was first introduced to fextra and quickly realized every single build guide was complete trash.

[@aligeda94]

I don't know how many people here played Divinity Original Sin 2, which is another Larian game, their builds in their website are memed on by community. So much so that people start making challenge runs with their builds. It was that bad.

[@BrokoFankone]

Guys, I want you to remember this - no matter how hard life gets out there, just know that each of us is always watching a Fextralife stream, somewhere, somehow, on some device, in some tab. This keeps us all connected

[@kaisokusekkendou1498]

Isn't the solution to this to just make advertisers aware of this? They are the ones who stand to lose the money: their ads are not even really visible to those viewers. Their money spent is essentially wasted. They get upset, money stops, and see how fast this gets changed.

[@whiskeysour1179]

I'm no coder but it seems to be that a reasonable fix, without removing the embedding, would be to put a timer on them so that each embedded window only plays for two minutes or so, then turns into a link to the twitch stream proper. But I guess a code monkey could climb over that wall. This whole controversy is hilarious. The internet is scam land, always has been.

[@freshoutafolsom20]

Me a 30yo man who's used reddit for like 10yrs and im just now in the year 2023 learning about reddit updoot bots

[@ryoriotwow]

Even the CS 1.5 bots would occasionally write messages.

[@KwispyKweme]

To be fair, i didnt know reddit bots were a thing. It makes sense that there would be, ive just never thought about it before because i dont use reddit.

[@Pickle2345]

4k Charlie, 1080p Asmong. Same attire, same beard, same hair.

[@MindOfTim]

Jonesrly I didn't know reddit had a bot problem, but I've literally been on reddit like 4 times, each to get information on something achievement related and left. If this person uses reddit often they should be aware I imagine

[@daqimber]

i am a gamer (MMO, RPG, ARPG, 4X games) and i never heard about Fextralife

[@rubenasandwich2842]

Ds2 has two different game editions. Regular and scholar of the first sin which are basically two different games

[@pikldBeets]

I was wondering when Fextra would get too big for their shoes. As a long time user, you could see the push towards money from the site, while at the same time, having half-assed articles with comments screaming for edits or even more info. This all comes from the place that was supposed to be the lexicon for games that accounted for community interaction for secret hunting. It’s a sad place to visit sometimes, and even their yt videos seem low-effort or unenthusiastic sometimes

[@2004jpepper]

New to Asmongold and was like... where have I seen him before? These guys look like brothers 😅

[@SweetJP.]

Fextralife is super annoying. not only is the info not always right, but the twitch channel thing on top of it, slows your pc if you don't have a top one. I've seen myself in a situation where my game suddenly is lagging and I notice i've had fextralife up without stopping the stream. They need to be destroyed

[@sunteraze]

In order to be counted as viewer on Twitch in embed source, you have to be logged into Twitch. If you watch in incognito mode any embed stream of Twitch, twitch will not count you as viewer as you are logged out of service. And we all know, most of us don't logout from Twitch after we are done watching our fav streamer. So, if a 1 person opens 3 tab, he will be counted as 1 viewer not 3, it's been tested.

[@Nicaveli]

rehashed news reddit recap meta is cancer

[@mikenewman9959]

dark souls 2 is special case. it has 2 versions, original and sotfs. obviously wverybody plays scholar of first sin, but wiki remains

[@superblanco444]

Bunch of bots on his community page. They’re all defending his guides when that isn’t even what people are annoyed about 🤣

[@Sinraye89]

Embedding part is not an issue and is blown out of proportion. Embedding twitch stream is literally just marketing. Most popular steam games have a stream embedded to them on steam. It promotes the streamer, the game, and tells you whether they are online. It’s literally working as twitch intended, it’s just that fextralife is super efficient using this.

[@corneliussmiff2773]

FextraLife Wikia has never let me down on a Dark Souls 3 question, thats for damn sure. I cannot comment on any other game to be fair.

[@DronenorD]

Just cause you play an ad on a sporting event and know that people walk away from the tv or dont pay attention during breaks doesnt mean youre gonna blame the organizers. Fextra is doing gods work. Jelousy is a sin

[@b1-0s]

On YT the embeded autoplays don't count TW should fix it's poopoo literaly they have to add a few lines of code for that

[@grovie5121]

Yep. And soon they'll be able to make ai communicate in their streams with one another enough so to make it seem more legitimate. It's a shame this isn't taken seriously by literally everybody that has the power to do anything about it.

[@WokioWolfy]

It's a long process, all it takes is too many doing this and causing adverts to question everyone they promoting stuff on.

[@criticalshotstudios]

They get lots of preview copies of stuff and use that for their info and once the game comes out they info dump like crazy with patched out info

[@geko1410]

Salt and sanctuary wiki from fextralife, its the most complete, not a sold out just fact, if they feel from grace too bad.

[@restinginn9906]

If I saw the fextralife stream in a small corner of their website I’d immediately question why my adblock didn’t block it lol it literally looks like one of those automatic ads that play.

[@thebloodycrow364]

They're also accusing your and Charlie's communities of "Brigading" and using it as an excuse to hide comments on their YT channel claiming it's against TOS. I have a screenshot of it.

[@rsmorex]

I've never heard of it every time I look for a game tip I search youtube or add the word wiki in my search and I've only ever really ended up on a fandom page

[@MacwinsTV]

Are editor's using BG3 music ?

[@regulus8560]

TBH twitch needs to limit the amount of ads that play consecutively, i have gotten 9 ads to play one after another, this happens a lot on towelie's stream which i use for drops since he streams pretty much all day.

[@ehwick8175]

The more I listen to this discussion the more I realize that this scam works because gamers are pretty braindead... "why do we pretend to care about the sponsors?" Because somebody is going to eat the cost of that revenue and its not going to be the sponsors my friend... It will be your favorite streamer, yourself or will be reflective in the quality of the products surrounding the ad (stream, product being advertised, etc.) Just look at all the games we hate now and how shit quality is a result of needing to generate money. Use your brains gamers.

[@Phenomanon]

I have never even heard of Fextralife. Been gaming regularly for 25 years.

[@hylanderOP]

I never realized that imbedding was essentially view botting. I just thought they were trying to diver traffic from the website to the stream.

[@sugorogue]

both of you need to make a podcast called "White Shirt Duo"

[@Vo0Do0972]

Used it for elden ring and ds2, was always fine except for the annoying video ads and twitch streams playing non stop

[@Hungrymage]

I remember going to their stream when new world launched, made it worst possible quality video, muted them and played new world while waiting for my cosmetics to unlock, then turned them off :)

[@bigbelly8649]

The Raw power of these 2 white shirts... words cant do it justice.

[@SameDifferenceZD]

At the end of the day though, this is all on Twitch. Yes Fextralife is clearly abusing the game here, but regardless wouldn't any entity with both a stream and a website want to advertise that stream on their website, and wouldn't embedding be the best way to do that? What ultimately stops that practice from being considered innocuous is Twitch erroneously counting these 3rd party site visitors as "viewers."

[@No_remorseless]

i just checked the twitch channel, 15 minutes before their stream. 21,562 chatters. Community tab has 101 accounts viewing (excluding streamlabs, nightbot and Fextralife)

[@roriopm]

I would have thought the advertisers would be concerned about this. Like, they're paying for 30k viewers but people actually seeing their advertisements is much less. Most companies don't like to waste their money so this is kind of a surprise...

[@odotawaissaku3755]

We don't know if they're paying for 30k viewers at all. That's just an assumption. That info is between fextra and the advertisers. Charlie is running wild with just speculation

[@fanwilliam7725]

They know about this embedding process, that is why they hide the twitch window in a corner and muted, that way the people who are using their site will have no idea. If they make the screen larger or unmute the embedded twitch, people will notice it and close the website. This hurts their viewer count.

[@Hokagemikehawk]

God I hate that and Fandom. So much ads it’s so garbage on mobile and the streams don’t help too

[@doesntmatter6084]

There’s no ads on twitch embeds? I’m gonna start making an html file with a twitch embed for the stream I wanna watch to get no ads

[@wpelfeta]

As a viewer, I don't care. Like this affects me such a miniscule amount, and there are way more important things to worry about. Like Twitch having way too many ads and bad bitrate.

[@Four4Reddit]

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