"Kick" Is Poisoning Society | Asmongold Reacts

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[@maxkbec4201]

why ban the platform, when it allows the judge to have all possible evidence of a crime committed live and recorded lol

[@sdbzfan1]

right

[@Justdont693]

No leg work needed

[@selc978]

what judge?

[@Azmania3000]

​@@selc978 judge, jury and executioner. I am Dredd

[@jextra1313]

Exactly, the police need to be notified and handle it. Having video evidence makes their job way easier. If they actually committed a crime, they'll get banned irl (prison)

[@Sixeye_]

Funny how Stake is owned by Australians, but you can't use Stake in Australia. Online gambling is banned in Australia.

[@aldoorn]

I actually work in a bar across the road from the kick office in Melbourne. Programmers come in all the time and from what I gather they have bit of a rockstar job with great money and crazy benifits like trips overseas etc

[@ripandtear]

Have to wash the guilt of profiting from gambling addicts that lost everything somehow @@aldoorn

[@alexdream9342]

same with china and tiktok

[@ripandtear]

@@alexdream9342 do you live under a rock, they have their own that bans all sexual content, basically a superior version

[@CeasiusC]

Good on them, its up to other countries how they wanr to regulate gambling

[@woxoho]

Companies know that people are stupid, and they take advantage of it.

[@Vsg45]

the top 10% make this way. the best consumer is an uneducated easily to manipulate consumer.

[@bhec7715]

Yes, every time I comment on anything I’m reminded how stupid I am. It’s like, they got me 😭

[@mikhail5002]

such is human nature

[@johnconcentrius]

They literally have professional scientists and psychologists working together to find exactly what makes us addicted/respond to things. It's up to us to be aware and make better decisions for ourselves.

[@Cooowop]

Capitalism. Dont wanna be taken advantage of? USE 1% OF BRAIN TO THINK and u will be able to see it coming... Its not people are stupid they refuse to think at all

[@new-bp6ix]

We need to realize that they commit these acts in real life, not online. On Kick, all they do is share proof of their crimes. Now, the police simply need to collect these videos as evidence.

[@tatuvarvemaa5314]

But do they though? It's been proven pretty inadequate at actually getting these people prosecuted or even caught. And even if it does the streamer usually doesn't care and just relishes the attention and only grows in popularity. This doesn't change the fact that kick is actively promoting this behavior and profiting on it, showing other people that they can do this stuff and get away with it. Kick isn't innocent or in any way absolved from this because the police force is failing on that front either.

[@IncognitoActivado]

Totally true.

[@new-bp6ix]

@@tatuvarvemaa5314 Let me ask you one question. If someone is driving a car recklessly, whose mistake is it? Is it the company that manufactured the car or the person driving the car? Keep in mind, the car company does not care. Now, also ask yourself why you follow traffic laws. Did the company tell you they would stop your car if you violated any laws?

[@tatuvarvemaa5314]

@@new-bp6ix Thats not a good comparison to make, nor does it counter any of my arguments. There's a difference between a service you subscribe to and a product that you bought and own. That comparison does not work because Kick is a streaming service and a car is something that is yours and the car company has no autonomy to influence your driving. Kick does have that influence over what is posted on THEIR service and platform and they do use it. They still have a responsibility with their service BECAUSE they have the power to regulate it. What they should do is report illegal activity to the police (save and send a copy of the illegal act done on stream to the authorities), ban the person and that will be all. Because again, that's the ONLY thing these streamers care about is attention and getting banned is the only real way of taking it away from them. And what on earth was the attempt with Traffic laws there? It's in the name, LAWS. If the product encouraged people to break the laws you bet it would get pulled off the market asap, but Kick is somehow different for doing that exact thing? And companies don't care, which is why we are forced to make laws against them (remember the coal mines?), if anything that statement supports my argument even more.

[@Singularity-v5q]

​@@new-bp6ixlet me ask you one thing if a tree falls in a forest does it make a noise? 😮

[@DFalco-nz5tl]

Genuinely confused. The government decided that certain things are crimes. Kick allows people to stream crimes. I fully do not understand how you go from streaming crimes to free speech. The point of free speech is to avoid infringing on the rights of citizens. Committing a crime is the highest level of infringing in citizens rights. What the fuck are we even talking about?

[@IncognitoActivado]

No, it is the society to which these people belong that gave them fame; not the platform.

[@xplorethings]

It's the same with other things though, e.g. online prostitution, which is a crime in many countries too. Free speech is providing the platform for citizens to do whatever they do with it, as long as they do not USE it to commit a crime. Streaming a crime is not the same thing.

[@daniellacomb917]

No, the point of free speech is to be able to publicly critisize the government without fear of reprecussion. You can call the president a loser and they cant do anything about it. Try that in China or even Canada lol.

[@rainyriderr1112]

I can't remember the specific law but it's a long the lines that kick isn't committing the crime. Much like thousands of crimes are broadcast on Twitter and Facebook, but they aren't the ones committing it. This has been argued about Google for decades, should distributors be responsible for the content on their site

[@rozathorn]

What he's saying is, there is a dangerous line between monitoring crime and control. He wants the government to govern the internet and step up.

[@kenkessler301]

I think clearly any illegal activity should be a permanent ban

[@liambradshaw9428]

Why ?

[@ahmedifhaam7266]

@@liambradshaw9428 Why not? I'll wait.

[@lasjames7516]

The internet is international. Try not to hurt your brain figuring that out

[@kenkessler301]

@@lasjames7516 Laws are enforced based on where an individual lives. Bans would be the same. Try to think more than one sentence ahead

[@kkandola9072]

⁠@@lasjames7516​​⁠ if your brain cells worked , you’d understand that it doesn’t matter. It’s a private company. They can set local restrictions.

[@ProdigalBeard]

Two things can be true: kick needs to crack down on ILLEGAL acts on stream, AND, kick doesn't need to over censor people having an opinion

[@yurkafrankvel966]

Thats kinda of impossible imo, kick should just be straight up deleted...

[@kylesawkon4074]

@@yurkafrankvel966I mean there’s no cartel beheading videos so idk what’s the big deal

[@japhalpha]

@@yurkafrankvel966it’s so funny people actually record their crimes nowadays. It’s insane, but I rather enjoy it. Let them display their crimes, let them feel comfortable sharing them, it’ll be easier for the rest of us to recognize them

[@dillyduncs]

@@kylesawkon4074 You're right, nothing less than someone being beheaded constitutes a crime. Just out of interest, have you been beheaded at some point in your life?

[@UncleJazzboTheThird]

@@yurkafrankvel966 twitch sucks, seethe

[@LocalSh1t]

i think theirs huges difference between freedom of speech and committing a crime.

[@tyruswillier7358]

their is, asmon just wanted to twist the issue up to fit his narrative of only the government is trustworthy to punish people now.

[@TheMrFellaTV]

@@AmyZonkers You still did a crime and what the crime itselfs is like for example CP it still makes it illegal sees this brain rot

[@TechnoMinarchist]

​@@AmyZonkersIn many cases the video itself is also a crime.

[@themidnightaristocrat]

That's what the police are for. Cry to them.

[@Temperans]

Freedom of speech only matters when the government gets involved. Also not all speech is protected speech.

[@Generallygeneral]

People that are not terminally online doesn’t even know what kick is

[@idadru]

This

[@schweizer3301]

The terminally online arent a small number

[@Forsakenruler]

@@schweizer3301but there are mentally ill number

[@nine9nine9]

It's literally a top 200 us website, that's more than critically online people

[@lucasljs1545]

These people don't know what twitch is either.

[@ChadeGB]

I usually agree with most of what Asmon says, but here he's just wrong, plain and simple. Free speech isn't the right to go commit crimes and stream them online. Kick is just as responsible for this as other sites that provide access to illegal stuff that you can watch. These sites encourage this behaviour by giving people a platform for it, this isn't about the moral aspect of it, it's about these people committing crimes and streaming it for views.

[@nyne2022]

No, it is free-speech to post it. Posting it isn't the violation unless distribution of the content itself is the crime. Just because someone steals something it doesn't make them guilty of murder.

[@attn.]

@@nyne2022 Crimes aren't free speech, you can't post a snuff film or cp then claim the video isn't related to the crime lmao. Free speech isn't sacred, broadcasting services and companies need to be held accountable. Humans are highly affected by their surroundings, you aren't the independent individual you think you are.

[@ohiograssman1564]

There’s a reason why you can’t threaten someone’s life or falsely declare a fire in a public building, or incite a riot with your speech…

[@Superintendent_ChaImers]

@@ohiograssman1564 Free speech does not protect you against the consequences of said free speech.

[@justianfox64]

@@nyne2022So by that logic you can technically post a Livestream of child molestation and as long as they don't get caught then it's considered free speech.

[@tBeNz0]

23:40 As the father of an 8 yr old, I do agree with Asmons take here, and almost all platforms have integrated parental controls you can use to create their account with. What Asmon doesn't understand tho (since he doesnt have a kid), is that peer pressure plays a huge part with this stuff. Bc a lot of parents dont monitor their kids, you end up with your kid wanting to play a game with their friends but cant bc its age restricted to 13+ for gun violence for ex, and now your kid feels left out unless you let them play too. If you are strict, then they will find a way around you (like we did when we were younger), so you have to walk a fine line somewhere in between. I tend to allow him to play said game but also explain why said game might not be the best for kids to play. And even tho I dont want too, its easier to navigate what content he comes across when i play along with him. (Nothing is more frustrating than playing Roblox on a mobile phone when you are 39 and hot dogs for fingers lol).

[@return_h3669]

In case you are frustrated to play roblox on phone, the other way is use an xbox/playstation controllers (some games or “experiences” have support). Connect them via bluetooth

[@tBeNz0]

@@return_h3669 lol yeah I didnt even think of that honestly. You prob connect it the same way you do to a PC with bluetooth, by holding down ps button and share button for a few secinds until the light blinks rapidly. It puts the controller into "pc pairing mode" so im sure it works similarly for my android phone too. Thx for the tip.

[@return_h3669]

@@tBeNz0 no problem, take good care for your kid 👍

[@metropolismonke]

Is this the trailer for Asmongold on Kick 2025?

[@Azmania3000]

He's totally fishing

[@Oaky]

feels like it lol. When Kick gets blocked in the US, he's gonna cry about the laws

[@gamingman5453]

@@Oakytbf he crys about everything

[@ShadowNexis23]

He knows his viewership would tank if he went to Kick, it's just not worth it when he's comfortable on Twitch

[@Ilasperr]

"They will just somewhere else." - With that logic, why bother moderating any platform?

[@TechGuru666]

there should be no modernation at all

[@TechGuru666]

@@rodolfo_rlf no its pretty good -- for the most part

[@OnlyTidus]

to pretend they don't exist anymore

[@milllkkkk]

@@TechGuru666 rtrd take

[@wilbing8465]

@@TechGuru666 no, moderation is needed but I agree it should be based on law. When platforms enforce rules that are not law they are acting as a publisher with platform legal benefits. Platforms don’t exist if this the case. Just publishers pretending they are a platform.

[@00ABBITT00]

It’s not just kick. It’s twitch, it’s TikTok, it’s twitter, it’s streamers, it’s “influencers”, it’s social media.

[@vualthunterx3611]

Gold...I hate to tell you this but CRIME isn't free speech it's CRIME and even if it is "YOU ARE FREE TO SWING YOUR FISTS ANYWHERE YOU WANT, BUT YOUR RIGHTS END AT THE TIP OF MY NOSE"

[@Yutani_Crayven]

But you see, you can't deplatform crime because Asmongold and I quote "doesn't want billionaires to dictate morality".

[@vualthunterx3611]

​@@Yutani_Crayvennever said deplatform I was just stating Crime is crime not freedom of speech and Even if it IS "your freedom ends when it takes someone else's freedoms away" I never said you could deplatform crime I agree with everything else in the video except that ONE opinion and the Platform can at least take some charge of criminal activate being shown on their platform is all

[@kc12394]

@@vualthunterx3611 I think they're actually agreeing with you.

[@1x1nDone]

I don't care, they should be allowed to stream just about any crime they want without any consequences from Kick. They should get arrested for said crime, sure, but not banned. The only time they should be banned off of a platform is when Kick themselves would be committing a crime by allowing it. IE hosting or displaying CP.

[@danny7694]

Yeh he said this and then said, these people need arrested not banned perse. You might argue this wouldn't happen if they didn't have the platform but there's other platforms that do similair things and have similair rulesets that are probably not being enforced. Put them behind bars is IMO The only solution

[@SDT493]

Even though Asmon says to not ban these people. They still in fact do need to get banned off the platform. No clue why he's saying not to ban.

[@paulysmallz8095]

Self interest

[@TechGuru666]

only says you -- there should be NO moderation on the internet

[@TheMrFellaTV]

@@TechGuru666 says litherly only you

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

Why they should be banned?

[@rebelion160]

@@mikoajpietrych6168 For committing Crimes, as not to endorse and sponsor said activities.

[@ferret2308]

The internet is poisoning society.

[@llvn11]

It's the opposite, look at what people do in San Francisco, literally walk into stores, loot, break shit and the security guards can't do anything

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

no it hasn't. only 10% of you using the internet 24/7 are poisoning society

[@Cptn.Smoker]

Then people should stay off the internet ? Self accountability is a must

[@bass7100]

So true.

[@bass7100]

​@llvn11 Security guards used to be able to stop looters before the internet let social media destroy their lives for doing their jobs. Same as police.

[@txmits507]

You can't have a platform where you're incentivisied to break the law. You can say it's law enforcement problem. But if the platform rewards illegal behavior, it's the platforms problem too. One sentence he's saying it's freedom of speech to rob people on stream and the next he's saying under age material is a crime so it's okay to be banned. They're both crimes. The oxygen level in his room is kinda low today.

[@I2dios8]

The police should definitely step up and take these cases of livestreamed crimes more seriously, but insinuating that Kick has no obligation to ban or at least discipline bad parties on their site is insane to me.

[@FulkNerraIII]

The amount of brain dead takes I've read on here is wild. People screaming free speech and Kick aren't police as if that's a valid response. Yes, absolutely kick should ban people committing crimes and posting it. What the hell does that have to do with free speech? What's next, we have a serial killer posting clips of dead bodies? I can't believe people are so naive. That's not even getting into the argument that Kick is promoting this type of behavior, and that's why kids are doing it. What kind of society do we want to live in? Do people really think police have resources and time to go after every kick kid committing crimes. I worked in law enforcement and surprise they don't. How about instead of saying oh let the police handle it after a crime is committed, Kick doesn't incentivize committing crimes.

[@theonlyLoneWolf_]

You know, I got curious so I went and read Section 1.4 of Kick's TOS that details what people can use their service for and what do you know, they do state clearly in their TOS that you can't use their service to stream activities involving a ton of stuff that most of their streamers stream. So whilst I agree with Asmon that Governments should be more involved in policing criminal activities streamed on platforms like Kick and holding these platforms accountable, I don't agree that Kick is blameless when they're not even enforcing their own TOS. What a joke of a site.

[@anthonytran8850]

Kick not banning this type of content just enables this type of behavior. You’re ignoring the idea of punishing bad behavior for the sake of stopping bad behavior the government should do something but it’s kick’s responsibility as well as they’re the medium allowing this stuff without punishment that helps enable this. Just put up guidelines and work towards being better at adhering to them is the solution rather than not adhering to any moderation. But as someone who did believe in kick I don’t think that’s gonna happen

[@Joji047]

I mean why government doesn't punish them for the crimes that they commiting. Send the evidence and the police to take action, banning them would simply lead to them being back to the internet and not be in prison like the deserve.

[@Gengarextreme]

I had forgotten Kick existence.

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

it's the greatest platform on earth

[@twitchypaladin8859]

I didn't know it existed, I thought ppl were talking about kik this whole time cause u can stream on there too lmao

[@ridonedo]

then you live under a rock because a lot of situations stem from kick streams

[@ightimmaheadout290]

but but what about the copium from kick viewers that it is going to be a serious contender to twitch

[@ahmedifhaam7266]

@@twitchypaladin8859 same.

[@gamerdad9051]

I disagree with Asmon. He has more power than any police department. He can influence culture. I'm not saying he has to, but that is the power of culture. If the culture says it is wrong than most people wont even think of doing it. Having the government enforce morality is a stop-gap measure, because the culture is now indifferent to the activity, similar to Asmon's attitude to this activity. The government does not care about morality, it cares about power and giving them the power to wield in the name of morality will be used against you eventually. Also, law enforcement is finite. You can only some many enforcers to cover a degrading system.

[@50shadesofbeige88]

Society is more powerful than the government. Bring back shame.

[@donjon8382]

People always shout for this until it’s their turn. And EVERYONE gets their turn.

[@raskolnikov6443]

⁠@@donjon8382nah this is just the basic function of a healthy society.

[@insertname950]

​@@donjon8382 There is a difference between criticism and bullying but if you hold an opinion that most people disagree with, guess what, you will meet a lot of people who attack you for it and that is not a bad thing, as the guy below you commented, discourse is part of a healthy society and too many people spend so much time online surrounded by perspectives that already fit their world view that they feel personally attacked when being confronted with a differing opinion

[@drzerogi]

We live in a post-shame society. Either bring back shame or guilt.

[@darthtesla301]

No

[@sharktomgaming4114]

Asmon trying so hard to stay neutral and not burn any bridges.

[@lasjames7516]

you're trying so hard to side-step saying you want private companies and billionaires controlling our speech online

[@jackfisher22]

That's why his takes are decent. He's not one sided just because that's what his platform wants

[@bradleyhahn5521]

What does free speech have to do with punishing those breaking the law? Smashing peoples phones, stealing money and putting people in danger for views isnt free speech.

[@lasjames7516]

@@bradleyhahn5521 ok so arrest them for crimes.... don't cry at Kick for hosting videos...

[@KusanagiMotoko100]

@@lasjames7516 CP is a crime, should Kick just let them upload those kind of videos cause they're not responsible?

[@detvarvalfanda]

If you knowingly allow people to do crime in your property you are you not also responsible if you do not try to stop it?

[@locmari]

The government is responsible for enforcing the law

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@locmari lol stop being obtuse obviously the government enforces the law but i own my house and if i had a guest kidnap someone and murder them in my home while i just do nothing im not just gonna be like well its the governments fault what he was doing was against the law they should have stopped him bruh no i should have stopped him or informed the police and taken whatever action i could not just shift blame like a punk

[@nyne2022]

@@tyruswillier7358 lol stop being obtuse obviously hosting a video isn't the same as allowing a person to use your home for murder.

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@nyne2022 okay i like you now ill admit it lol and im not trying to be obtuse i was trying the whole analogy thing you guys were doing i thought it was a good comparison. its not 1 to 1 but if i owned a video streaming website and i let a guy get murdered on my site do you think im not responsible at all?

[@Dasaru]

@@nyne2022 In the video there is literally a streamer that almost killed a homeless women by drowning. Had the woman drowned, it doesn't matter what the police does because it's too late. She'd already be dead. Kick banning this behavior is a preventative measure. We shouldn't wait for bad things to happen before acting. People cry about slippery slope of innocent streamers getting banned and ignore the slippery slope of criminals popularizing streaming for views. Both slippery slopes are bad, but to get innocent people involved is where I draw the line.

[@rhys5958]

Is Johnny Somali still alive and kicking?

[@CalculatorTI89]

It's a shame, right?

[@idadru]

He was getting arrested in Israel last I saw

[@lucasljs1545]

He is obviously receiving US backing to do the shit he does.

[@Darthmaeror]

Eh I disagree. Kick is an enabler for these people to do the things they do. Yes the people are also responsible of course, but kick enables it.

[@rtyzxc]

if a person is enabler for domestic violence, does that make them guilty?

[@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ь]

"My wife enabling me by being near me in my house, it's not my fault she had such "moldable" face, your honor" Actually, it would be the funniest law practice, if we go after "crime enablers" first "I can't steal from poor people, rich people enabling me!"

[@Desdress]

not enables it but rewards it. there is a difference between site having recordings of crimes and crimes happening in real time to entertain the audience. many of these things would never happen hadnt it been for kick. kick created environment which propmts people to do crimes. they are directly responsible.

[@Skwiib]

“The government is the only thing that’s powerful”. This probably has to be the most disconnected, naive, out of touch statement I’ve ever heard come out of his mouth. It’s honestly almost cute how naive asmon can be with some of his perspectives on the world. Kind of like how he mentions survivorship bias frequently despite being in that exact bias category when talking about nearly any discussion of the average human experience. Sitting there and trying to absolve the platform of any responsibility in moderating shit and arguing morale semantics through some kind of weird absolutist free speech argument is insane. You know who else uses that as a justification for a-moral behaviour? Political extremists. It’s also just naive to sit there and think that large scale social media platforms don’t have the ability to influence and guide the way a society behaves. You’re outright rejecting the idea that people can be influenced, especially those who exist within an impressionable demographic. Like what’s the argument here? It IS their responsibility. The same way any other entity is liable for the behaviour they endorse. You exist within a society that adheres to a framework of ideas. You talk about law but then promote this sort is pseudo anarchy. Like I knew asmon was a pseudo intellect to begin with but Jesus Christ this hurts.

[@sebastianfaundez6743]

NONONONONONONO IT'S A FUÇKING CRIME, DON'T COMMIT CRIMES LIVE ITS NOT SO DIFFICULT

[@tyruswillier7358]

right got me frustrated too jeez lol

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

Don't commit crimes period, streaming has nothing to do with it and Kick has no obligation to enforce the law.

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

Chill crybaby

[@herbalterrorist420]

@@mikoajpietrych6168 that depends on the “crime”. Some laws are unjustified and we are morally obligated to break them.

[@disconductorder]

Paid for by kick

[@ngub7351]

Kick is like the worst form of fast food that people keep eating over and over again.

[@Seeric85]

Let 'em. Freedom means taking responibility for yourself. Problem is we're shielding people to much from the consequences of their actions. No bailouts.

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

If I went around offering children 100$ to throw rocks at someone, do I not have some responsibility for the act?

[@TechGuru666]

depends if those kids know its wrong to do so

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

@@TechGuru666 No, my responsibility is not negated depending on the knowledge of the kid.

[@TechGuru666]

@@Jesse-tz6gd its about 50 percent of the responsiblity -- if the kid knows its wrong and does it anyway -- they are responsible for it

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

@@AmyZonkers Sure, kick is just leaving the 100 dollars beneath the pile of rocks. Why do you think the majority of content is just degenerate "pranks"? Its incentivizing this behavior.

[@Jesse-tz6gd]

@@TechGuru666 You clearly didnt comprehend what I first said. Read it a few more times.

[@Anakox]

One thing is when a platform censors political opinions that it doesn't like or views/actions that it deems immoral, even though none of the above are illegal in any shape or form. Completely different is when people commit crimes and the platform simply ignores it, allowing the criminals to use the money they earn from the platform to fuel their future crimes. In the second case, the platform should be criminally charged as an accomplice or benefactor of the crime.

[@Fastitocalon69]

Asmon why do you disagree that you shouldn't ban people for these things but then put in a report to get the person who sent you a death threat a ban? Shouldn't the police just handle that?

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

this is a very bad take. one is life threatening to the public, while the other is harmless trolling. the cops should respond to the life threatening one

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@Dave_of_Mordor no you dont know anything he spent the whole video complaning about not wanting rich people to decide who gets banned why did he decide to report him as a rich guy to the people at twitch more rich people to get a ban but oh when its kick only the cops should handle the problem thats just an L for hypocrisy

[@mikko3]

Because twitch has rules that doesnt allow it

[@helmutha5589]

I remember Asmon calling for ban of IamGundam for making fun of somebody's physique. Now private platforms should leave things alone and only government should censor?

[@jrpgnation6375]

Link or didn't happened

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

Cuz that was bullying and bullying is against tos

[@E.G.I.L.3D]

Breaking the law is the jurisdiction of the government. Breaking tos is the jurisdiction of the platform

[@mikko3]

Because by what tos says they should get banned

[@AndrewH9999]

Used to follow this dude in twitch called Murda, he was a fairly small streamer who would do drag racing streams and he was really in tune with his audience. About a year and a half ago he was approached by Eddie from kick about streaming on his platform. He accepted and now murda gets 30 to 50 views a stream compared to 1000+ on twitch and all he does is stream gambling. He never gambled on twitch. Kick is ruining good people with their manipulation.

[@wDoucheCanoe]

I don’t say it often, but this is a real bad take by Asmond lol

[@bamvoiden]

Let's assume that there is some random 3rd world country where a streaming platform is operating and the laws there are basically non-existent. Someone from that country could then basically go around murdering people on the streets and streaming it for financial gain and simultaneously inspire other people to do the same. Now, because there are now laws against it, the streaming platform shouldn't take any action to prevent that? At some point we have to acknowledge that not all opinions and actions are neutral or equally good/bad and that sometimes they produce objectively bad outcomes and will eventually lead to possibly catastrophic results. None of this would be a problem if every human would be a totally rational being, but we all know that's not the case and sometimes we know better and have to take a stand to ensure that we don't completely destroy everything we have achieved.

[@Totttty55]

Dude you said if people use racial slurs, which are legal, should be banned! Hypocrite!

[@oldirty84]

L-Take buy asmon. According to his logic cp should be alowed on streams unless law enforcement does something.

[@TechGuru666]

if lawenforcement didn't do anything about that -- then your city has MUCH bigger problems then kick

[@tyruswillier7358]

oh but he just dances around the things he doesnt want to talk about tho you think he would address that? no way, hell just pick some guy to bully then focus on one aspect while making broad claims about what he thinks should be done. he admits himself hes just farming he doesnt care about what he says.

[@lucasljs1545]

Reddit is full of CP, Discord. Reddit literally had mods and adms jailed for child traffic. I am in favor of every site that have CP being deleted, are you?

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@lucasljs1545 yes reddit is a cesspool moderated by weirdos. and im in favor of cp being deleted and the people being harshly prosecuted. its a weird question honestly whos gonna be like no i like it keep it up there lol.

[@TheCrimsonfluf]

It's not a free speech issue. That's 2iq. Let them post whatever video they want. But kick absolutely should not be monetizing these videos. There should be no carrot for posting shit obviously harmful to society. Let them post it, incriminate themselves. That's perfect. We had some biker blow through Colorado going 170mph and post his dashcam to youtube and colorado found the video, used it to extradite the biker to colorado and jailed him. Perfect example.

[@michinwaygook3684]

Why should any of this be removed from the platform? If people are committing crimes, as Asmo said, it is the job of the government to prosecute them. It is not the job of the platform to police its users or its content. I'm sick and tired of the type of censorship I experience on platforms like You Tube. Content providers have to talk in code to not be censored. I fully support a platform that allows anything, sort of like 4Chan, as this is the essence of free speech and free expression.

[@momentary_]

Platforms ban to attract advertisers. It has nothing to do with some billionaire's personal opinion. You're free to make a site that doesn't ban anything. Just don't expect to make much money.

[@michinwaygook3684]

@@momentary_ True but this is why I wish advertisers would get some balls. Most reasonable people understand that a company advertising its product on a site is not responsible for the content other people, who have no association whatsoever with that company, post on that site. I don't think less of a company because they advertise their product on a porn site, IMO only stupid people do that. By way Asmo made the comment about billionaires not me. Try to address the correct person... geesh.

[@momentary_]

@@michinwaygook3684 Fortunately for Kick, the only advertiser that matters is their parent company and Stake couldn't care less about these streamers unless it affects the traffic to their casino.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@momentary_ that's proven false. This is literally 2012 narrative. Why are you pushing confirmed false narrative for technocracts? Guns channel receive no ADs, despite having the most adult target audience and having the most AD effective targets. It is simply censure, saying otherwise is just stupidity.

[@Jordan-cd3ce]

Some moderation is good. Parts of youtube are definitely overmoderrated, but if youtube was more like /b/ I wouldn't use it any more. Imagine opening your youtube home page to be greeted by a dozen loli threads.

[@joebravetti3023]

The amount of people that think being banned is more important than having the police be involved is absolutely crazy.

[@nekosimp7751]

theres a lot of things that are poisoning society, kick is one of them, short form content in general is another (it has eviscerated peoples attention spans), the governments enforcement of its laws is another

[@handicrap]

This same dude was just saying last night , “anyone that says anything slightly negative is getting perma banned”, during his stream of Erdteee . This dude is a joke .

[@tyruswillier7358]

lol no way for real? thats actually hilarious hes becoming a snowflake without even realizing it. its like that one part of elden ring he got stuck on and got so salty he just started banning people.

[@handicrap]

@@tyruswillier7358 makes me sick

[@jrpgnation6375]

He does that every stream. Why are you b?

[@BlackGold-fc7tu]

He flip flops and contradicts himself constantly.

[@monirogue1570]

I don't disagree with you often, but on this one I do. I agree these people are committing crimes...and that's why the content should be removed. When someone unalives someone else on Facebook and posts it what happens? It gets taken down, typically faster than too many people can see it. Why? Cuz yes it is gruesome, but also it is a crime, and that footage doesn't disappear it gets saved and handed to authorities. Why shouldn't Kick also remove criminal content? It should. Period. And not removing it is basically advertising the behavior, as well as making it look like it's okay to act that way because there's no signs of punishment that viewers can witness, which could inspire them to...monkey see, monkey do. If the content is still being aired then it can appear that the perpetrators got away with it right? That's why it should be taken down. This isn't just a legal matter it's also a moral one. And whether Kick has a legal obligation or not we all have moral obligation whether we accept that responsibility and take it seriously or not. Kick absolutely needs to shut all the criminal activity on their site down, immediately. They also should work with federal and local enforcement to enable justice being served to the criminals uploading criminal activity on their platform. Don't just remove the content, hand it to the authorities. None of these people are actually anonymous, they can and will be found and punished.

[@momentary_]

So Asmon wants the government to tell Kick who to ban instead of Kick deciding. I hope Asmon pays a lot of taxes to help fund that.

[@mikko3]

Or just be like 4 chan and shut up

[@Jhutchm4]

The Right Free Speech (in the US) has nothing to do with rich corporations and their owners, but protection from government interference. Private companies have the right to ban you from their platform for whatever they want for the most part, its on society to move on to something else if we don't like their actions.

[@chipperw69]

The problem is that it gives an incentive to commit crimes so they can get more views and money. Kick should ban people committing crimes 100%

[@KusanagiMotoko100]

Asmon mental gymnastics lol.

[@ridonedo]

not gonna lie asmongold had some pretty poor takes on this one

[@Coldkill2001]

>Kids are no longer allowed on the internet >Asmongold viewership drops by 80%

[@robosergTV]

he said on social media, making an account

[@jrpgnation6375]

Bad take. He has already shows his demographic. Is most late 20 and 30 years old.

[@Coldkill2001]

@@jrpgnation6375 Wasnt intended to be taken seriously. Also, you can lie about your age online

[@SpeedRunsIRL]

The main problem is that kick itself is seen as a lawless platform; only the most extreme cases are punished. I believe kick feeds of that

[@Blindcontroller]

Man it’s not Kick’s responsibility to handle this. People could find the victims of these crimes and show them the footage then victims can go to the cops with evidence.

[@DabuDave]

I agree with Asomon a lot but some things he seems way off. Kick is responsible to ban and get the police involved when someone does a crime on their platform. Also i dont agree with always be cheating.

[@tyruswillier7358]

i hate his view of all poor people stealing or everyone steals something. ive been poor and hungry staring at food in a store just wishing i could take it but not once have i ever stolen anything so it pisses me off to hear him justify it. or to say its okay to steal till he backtracked completely hes just been annoying lately honestly.

[@attn.]

@@tyruswillier7358 Yeah, alot weird takes recently. Someone definitely got to him lol

[@FordThunderCougarFalconBird]

Man, I like Asmon. I really do. I even bought a computer from him. But he needs to call a plumber to help him remove his head from his butt on this take.

[@saahil0855]

By Asmongold's logic a person could post a video tomorrow on kick saying absolutely horrible sh*t about his family members and threatening them while live broadcasting it with millions of people and it would be absolutely fine because they are practicing "FREE SSPEECH" and kick doesn't have to be accountable for it..!!!!👏👏

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

People do that every day to him on Twitter. And probably other social media. Just not in video format probably. Death threats on the internet are pretty much a standard. So your argument is invalid.

[@saahil0855]

@@mikoajpietrych6168 My argument is not invalid because If any media supports that kinda actions then that media is also at fault for not banning or removing the post completely people get banned on twitter for such actions ever day but not on kick that was the whole point of that video...!!! KICK is not doing anything to limit these people and giving them a platform to in act all these insane stuff...!!!

[@daniellacomb917]

Thats right they could lol. And you dont have to watch it.

[@zMeul]

the govt is accountable .... what a joke look at the fucking govt

[@Darteghoster]

Wow. Did he drank rat poison by accident that day? This is so braindead

[@firesnakearies]

Asmon acting like "websites" are public places, not privately owned spaces. The reason "random billionaires" get to decide what is and isn't permissible on their platform is because they own the platform. The same reason you get to tell someone who walks into your own house and starts shitting on your floor that he can't do that and has to leave. Free speech has nothing to do with what people can and can't post on privately owned platforms. Your house, your rules. Websites are not public places.

[@Candyman2020_]

Kick does not control our freedom of speech. It is a company controlling what is on their servers. They do control what is broadcast to thousands of young people. So they should moderate crimes and harassment.

[@daniellacomb917]

No, they should not have to moderate shit. Stop crying to tech companies when you see something you dont like. Its up to the police.

[@Jordan-cd3ce]

@@daniellacomb917 The world is better off with tech companies moderating what goes on their platforms.

[@AuroraPhoenyx]

OH HI! That's me on the Kick front page LOL :D

[@talesofreverie]

There's the birb!

[@alizerwarynd7620]

True role model for Vtubers on kick or otherwise.

[@ZerBase]

Hello Aurora :D

[@YaBoiWiggles]

Its the girl from the video!

[@talesofreverie]

Aurora Phoenyx, face of Kick's Vtuber category, is in an Asmon video. So proud of you!

[@Keyh]

FFS, yeah "legal" doesn't mean "ok", but we "legal" is decided by "the people" not "a person"

[@Orville-Tootenbacher]

Just another symptom of how sick our society has become. Social media is pure poison

[@mizzhap3034]

Bad take. Free speech rights only go so far as to not infringe on other’s rights and these people wouldn’t be committing crimes if they weren’t getting paid to do so.

[@ivanpabon2741]

Remember it’s not a crime unless you get caught.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I didn't want to agree with this guy.. BUT he is ultimately correct.

[@RandomWrongDeletion]

Even if they aren’t streaming it on Kick, it’s still happening every day. The well is poisoned and kicks just shining a light on it, it’s a deeper issue within our culture. Kick is a symptom, not the cause.

[@madara360101]

Kick is a form of media and media has an influence in people’s minds and judgement later on we’re gonna have a generation of young adults committing crimes and excuse it as a silly prank or for clout

[@MimouFirst]

Lol, the government tells these companies that they should ban illegal shit on their platform. That's the governments solution. Which brings us back to kick needing to ban them 😂 So again: why isn't kick banning them? They did something illegal in some of the examples. (Not talking about the asshole stuff that isn't illegal. I agree we shouldn't just ban that.)

[@cosmicelectron]

The difference is in who decides what is and isn't illegal and thus should be banned, if Kick takes on the responsibility they are deciding if what someone did was illegal or not, while if you let the police demand it it's their responsibility to determine if the acts were illegal

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@cosmicelectron this is dumb the police arent watching every stream in the world just ready to demand kick or twitch or youtube or any other streaming platform to do what they want at all times. how about kick just does its own job and bans people for looking at CP and grooming children or exploiting them boom big brain take.

[@ChewEberrie]

@@cosmicelectron The law determines whether something is Illegal or not yes? So if Kick finds someone on their platform violating the law they should report them to the police and ban them correct? That isn't Kick deciding the law, that's an example of Kick FOLLOWING the law. You as a citizen also have a duty to report crimes you witness to the police, mostly because its the moral thing to do, but also because the police can't be everywhere at the same time. Stop after seeing someone get into a wreck and telling the officers about what you know/saw can lead to a better outcome and more witness testimony to be demonstrated at trial. If you let a PDF file live in your basement, knowing that they are distributing CP or downloading it, you can and will be tried as an accomplice. Dear god the Asmon brainrot is real

[@joevader10]

The problem is Kick allows people to PROFIT from committing these crimes, I think that is the point you are missing.

[@zfsbsdxky-om8ez]

Crack houses don’t smoke crack but you still don’t want one on your block.

[@tyruswillier7358]

true but what do you mean though is this in response to something?

[@zfsbsdxky-om8ez]

@@tyruswillier7358 I meant the average person’s response is “I don’t care who is responsible or whose job it is to take care of the problem, I just want the problem solved”. Also thanks for asking for clarification!

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@zfsbsdxky-om8ez okay ive never heard that expression lol interesting though

[@GynxXys]

10:03 You're wrong. It's not the same logic. Ban whoever does something illegal. It promotes an illegal behavior. There's a difference between freedom of speech and illegal behavior. And if they get banned they are more affected than being arrested for 2 days.

[@VechsDavion]

I gotta be real, I went to Kick for the first time just to glance over it, and I see the same shit that's on Twitch. People gaming, vtubers, "fitness instructors" and "hot tub" stuff, like really this guy is malding over the least important stuff, there's shitty people out there and the internet will always provide a platform for them to put their narcissistic vomit and fatherless behavior out there.

[@MicrowavedFurby]

The issue is that the lack of moderation has a direct correlation with the bad actions performed by the streamers. If people see them getting success from behaving like that, it encourages others to do the same, resulting in an ever-growing cesspool.

[@seb1520]

I disagree to an extent. I dont think Kick should have extremely strict rules on streaming, but they should be responsible for who they allow to stream and who's getting paid. Say what you will but if I run a store and one of the employees there verbally insults people constantly and screams at them, then I'd fire them because A. theyre unpleasant to work with, and B they literally are causing a loss in money because people are leaving the store

[@seb1520]

@@AmyZonkers I meant that in a sense. I guess customers in the case of Kick would be viewers/advertisers. But... viewers dont really care especially if theyre little edgelords, and I think advertisers are probably getting tired of being overly selective with who can advertise their brand. Im probably thinking about this all wrong, then

[@KrimsonApoLLo]

Glad people ain't just letting Asmon pop this bullshit off.

[@Vandassar]

I'm with Asmon on this. Where the fuck are the law enforcement? These people are literally handing a free jail sentence to them on a plate and they do nothing about it.

[@Buceesfanmaarten]

Truly don't understand why parents give their kids phones, tablets and other forms of internet access. My children are not spending any time unmonitored on the internet until they're 18, simple as that.

[@Flaws_]

L take. Crime = ban; it has nothing to do with millionaires or billionaires. The law is the law.

[@donjon8382]

Show me your law degree or badge.

[@Flaws_]

@@donjon8382 🤡

[@Franceee___]

I get what Asmon was trying to say, but Kick must have some sorta punishment against people promoting violence, drownings and whatnot. It's not even about morals, more like they gotta take liability asw in case some victims decided to pursue them legally. Doesn't he fail to take into consideration other factors outside of morals?

[@HansWurst-gm2rx]

Well it is all about morals. Written law ist just a subset of morals, that is enforceable by a state.

[@Akeelian]

I like how Asmons ultimate defense is “what are you doing with your life”, “get your life together” when he can’t do that himself

[@Eternal-Security]

LOL! He's a millionaire and you're malding about his lifestyle. Get a life! LOL

[@matthewf1979]

Hatewatching is a waste of time. He did him a favor.

[@JR-wf5kg]

​@@Eternal-Security I like Asmon, but let's not act like he didn't stumble into his millions. The dude can't even take care of himself.

[@bobsaget3841]

In an ideal situation kick would have active moderation and would immediately ban anyone streaming illegal things. The govt would have penalties levied against kick if they were complicit in letting people stream illegal activities. Kick would be required to ban and report the illegal activity to the authorities of the state the person is streaming from, and they would only be fined if they did not take that action.

[@Steponlyone]

I’ve got an idea: platforms should report users who donate / like / promote a stream where an illegal thing is committed. And they should be investigated by the state for being complicit to the crime. That should do it…

[@gerihuginn2143]

I would say that creating a incentive for people to do crime is Kick's problem. Also rewarding bad behavior is not helpful.

[@TechGuru666]

still better then tictok

[@wDoucheCanoe]

Jesus Christ, THIS ISNT A MATTER OF FREE SPEECH 🤦‍♂️ a company can decide the type of content they want on their platform, removing streamers for breaking the law isn’t infringing on their rights. The government and Kick can both simultaneously act on these actions, it’s not a “either or” scenario. I agree that it’s the fault of the people, but saying Kick shares no blame or responsibility is just malarkey. There’s a reason why these streamers flock to Kick to post the most vile and dangerous brain rot piece of content - because they aren’t able to on the other streaming platforms due to their rules. Kick doesn’t give a fuck what their content creators do as long as it doesn’t hurt them monetarily. Genuinely surprised Asmond thinks Kick isn’t responsible at all, I thought it’d be obvious that they are even to a small degree. It’s their responsibility at least to a certain extent because these streamers are promoting the prospect of breaking the law for content to its young viewers. It’s not like it’s a HUGE ask to ban streamers from breaking the law 😂 idk why it’s so hard for Asmond to grasp that concept. He’s completely hypocritical when it comes to the underage girls portion of the video because whether it’s that or a hit and run, they’re both crimes. If you’re gonna say “let the government handle it” and not want Kick to take action because laws were broken, be consistent

[@sirken2]

"where are the police" umm.. defunded? Sites have a responsibility if crimes are committed on their platforms to report it and give the police the evidence to be fully open and transparent

[@mikoajpietrych6168]

Reporting to the police is not discussed in the video, though. Only that Kick has right not to ban them.

[@Nemesis-1431]

People don’t want Kick banned, people want Kick to do better and stop letting their streamers committing crimes so blatantly on their platform. Ban the streamers and then turn them in to police. Show the rest of the streamers that committing crimes won’t be tolerated. I don’t know why it’s so hard for Asmond to see this. And yes, Twitch and KZbin should do the same.

[@Nezzy750]

Dude, committing crimes is not free speech. The part where you start committing a crime against another person you lose your “free speech”. Ppl get banned from business all the time when they commit crimes. Plain and simple, they aren’t banned bc kick enjoys the revenue and views. Just be honest.

[@aliasdjavanguard]

Kick = Gamble Gamble = Bad Kick = Bad

[@TechGuru666]

lootbox - gambling gaming - loot box gaming - bad

[@ADoovy]

Gaming = Rare drops Rare drop = Gamble Gaming = Gamble Gamble = Bad Gaming = Bad

[@TheMrFellaTV]

@@TechGuru666 twitch is a funnel for gambleing that is is primary and it's main foucation gaming is far more genereal, to over generalize is to be dumb

[@nalbas828]

So Asmon cool with people posting Child P as long as the government takes action.

[@Jordan-cd3ce]

I think his take would be that posting cp is illegal, so you shouldn't be able to do it, but posting yourself stealing something is not illegal so you should be able to post it. I haven't watched the entire video though, so idk if he touches on this.

[@taxelsquest6824]

I don't think they should be banned. What should be done is a special task force in the police to monitor these streams for crimes and arrest them with the livestream as evidence. Don't interrupt your enemy when they make a mistake. Livestreaming criminal activity sounds like something a really stupid criminal would do.

[@tyruswillier7358]

dude i know you think that would help but hiring untold amounts of people to watch streamers isnt a good investment at all you want cops sitting at the office watching videos instead of doing their job cause thats how many people it would take to watch every minute of all streamers

[@jessejr3309]

the whole "depend on the gov't and dont moderate kick" idea would only work if our gov't was actually competent. thousands of these dudes that committed crimes still haven't even been arrested. until we start seeing these mfs get charged and behind bars then kick should be held responsible. its almost as if they're encouraging it in the first place with these lax asf rules.

[@CorporateSycophant]

If a poster gets banned, sure, they can go to another platform. The problem is that Kick is popular. If they have to find another platform, which probably isn't nearly as popular, that cuts the poster's incentive to film this garbage.

[@hectornieves537]

Did the original video really cite age restrictions as a problem? They are relaxed ALL OVER the internet. Not just kick. That was a really ignorant point.

[@C0nstellati0ns]

Asmon saying censorship being bad, accusing others of acting emotional and illogical, all while getting triggered by chatters opinions and banning them. The lack of self awareness is astounding.

[@MarkieMark-vy7hg]

Imagine seriously saying kick is poisoning society when TikTok exists

[@tyruswillier7358]

imagine thinking its a either or when both of them are poisoning society

[@lucasljs1545]

@@tyruswillier7358 do you think youtube and twitch aren't? KZbin is the biggest cancer to society right now. My little cousin was crying screaming at her mother wanting to post videos of her dancing on the internet "like the popular girls do". Internet as a whole is poisoning society, it is not X or Y.

[@JR-wf5kg]

​@@tyruswillier7358The average person doesn't even know what kick is they will probably think you are talking about the messaging app from back in the day Kik. 😂

[@tyruswillier7358]

@@lucasljs1545 yeah i said its both i didnt say x or y both meant all in this context. im not excusing youtube or any other site of course they have problems too they should all be dealt with.

[@markrollins5971]

Dude, the government is the one telling the big tech companies who and what to censor.

[@TyrianHaze]

Every single example the guy gave was the streamers choosing to commit crimes, and not kick telling them do commit crimes. The poison is the people, not kick.